1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds Podcast. 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: Shane bag and alongside Marty Jertsen. As always, we got 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 3: Erica Larkin with us today. Erica, thanks so much for 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: taking a little bit of your time. I know you've 10 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 3: had a bit of a busy week on campus. Get 11 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 3: a chance to do some lessons and some ping learning 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 3: as well. 13 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been great. It's always fun to visit paying headquarters. 14 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 4: And I'm on the East Coast, so it's always a 15 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 4: treat to be out in the desert as well, especially 16 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 4: this time of year. 17 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the acclamation when you travel? 18 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: So? 19 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: I used to roll my I live on the East 20 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Coast as well. I'd roll my eyes at people that 21 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: would talk about like the time difference and stuff like that. 22 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: I do feel like it affects me. Now does it 23 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 3: bother you when you travel west? 24 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: I love traveling west the first couple of days because 25 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 4: I like getting up early. I'm definitely a morning person. 26 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 4: So I I'm awake at three thirty four o'clock in 27 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: the morning, and I do the mental math of Okay, 28 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 4: I be normally waking up at six, It's only three. 29 00:00:58,640 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: This is normal. 30 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: It's like steal this extra time in the morning to 31 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: get to work out and ahead of when the gym 32 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 4: feels like it's going to open or like do work. 33 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 4: So I just embrace it. Going home is the harder 34 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: park for sure. 35 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Marty, don't have to worry about that. No 36 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: time changes in Arizona. 37 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: No, No, Sometimes that makes it tough though, when daylight 38 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 2: savings time time happens everywhere else. 39 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, You're like, I don't know 40 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: what's going on. 41 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 2: Eric. 42 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: I wanted to start kind of in your golf journey 43 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: because I'm very interested in the fact that you grew 44 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: up in an area not really like golf centric, and 45 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: you grew up in a family nobody played golf. I mean, 46 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 3: at what point do you get introduced to the game 47 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 3: of golf, Like, how did it stick with you? 48 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: Yes, I grew up in Queens, New York, and my 49 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 4: parents were not golfers, and we were playing tennis a 50 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 4: bit near the USTA Center in Flush and Mental Park. 51 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 4: We'd go to Mets games at Shade Stadium and take 52 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: the seven train over to the park just for recreation, 53 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: and we always saw this little pitch and put golf 54 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: course right near that area, and my parents got intrigued 55 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 4: that we could play. 56 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: We could try it. 57 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 4: One day, and I was only about eight year years old, 58 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: and I was an only child, so if they wanted 59 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: to do something, I was going along for the ride, 60 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 4: whether I wanted to or not. And we went and 61 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: played pitch and putt, And then two years later we 62 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 4: were still playing pitch and putt, and we got a 63 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: lot better, and we got our own equipment to play that, 64 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 4: and started going to golf stores and started to order 65 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: magazines and videotapes, and truly we were self taught for 66 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 4: the first few years. When we ended up at driving 67 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: rages to learn how to hit more clubs and learn 68 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: where the local golf courses were that we could try 69 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 4: to play. We found some short courses and I think 70 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 4: just were really good asking questions to people that we 71 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: thought knew more than us. So it was a very 72 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,239 Speaker 4: organic experience getting into the game. It probably was a 73 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: blessing in disguise because to be a kid getting into 74 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: golf and for your first experience for the first two 75 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: years to only really have a pitching wedgeon a putter, 76 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: that probably was the best fundamental start unintentionally by my 77 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: parents that they could have given me, because it was 78 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 4: such a confidence boost. We figured out how to make 79 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 4: par we figured out how to manipulate wedges, we figured 80 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 4: out how to put on not perfect greens, and it 81 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: was casual, it was fun, and there was always ice 82 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: cream at the end of it. So it was the 83 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 4: best experience to start the game in a very unlikely setting, so. 84 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: That I'm very grateful for. How far were the holes 85 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: thirty to eighty yards okay, nice? And they were on 86 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: astra turf teams. 87 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so there was really no severe penalty for hitting 88 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: it super fat or thin. Okay, you'd maybe blade over 89 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 4: the green, but it was forgiving. I even had rubber 90 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: tees that we I think used in the beginning, which 91 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: is kind of a sin to hit a pitching bludge 92 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: off of a two inch. 93 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Rubber tee, but they were there. 94 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 4: But we had our own little way of playing the course, 95 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 4: and we graduated from that and we learned the game 96 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 4: from the green backwards. 97 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I mean, when you think of. 98 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: There's a program out there in the golf space called 99 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: Operation thirty six, it's basically. 100 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: What I did. Think about it. 101 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: I learned how to make par from short distance twenty 102 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 4: five yards fifty years and work my way backwards. So 103 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: the longest hole in the course was about eighty eighty 104 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: five yards, and I always remember being so little and 105 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: having only a pitching wedge. Think about a little kid 106 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 4: eight years old trying to hit a pitching wedge eighty 107 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: five yards. 108 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't make the grint. I had to lay up. 109 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: I had to lay up. It was a par four 110 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: for me. 111 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 4: But you know I had to get up and down 112 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: to make my par. So I learned a lot of 113 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 4: lessons out there that held for many years. So the 114 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: par three courses, pitch and put courses have a special 115 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 4: place in my heart because of my start. So anytime 116 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 4: I see these new ones popping up, like the Cradle 117 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: at Pinehurst, and you know all the different resorts that 118 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: are adding these special little par three experiences, I am 119 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: so happy, and I always make effort to play them 120 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 4: when I go to those places, because it just brings 121 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 4: me back. 122 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: There's so much fun. 123 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: It's like a relief thing too. I mean, you think 124 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 3: about resort golf all the time, and I'll go on 125 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: these buddies trips with my buddy, with my friends. It 126 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: feels like the one time there's not stress involved in 127 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: the game is when you play those places. You're not 128 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 3: shooting for a score. You don't care what you post, 129 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 3: when you're playing Pinehur's Umber two, ur bandon dunes, when 130 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: you play the short course. The relax nature of why 131 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: we love golf to begin with is it feels like 132 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: it exists. 133 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: More there and you walk and usually carry your clubs 134 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: or a little mini bag, and so just the idea 135 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 4: of being responsible for your equipment and you know, walking 136 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 4: the course is not something that a lot of golfers 137 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: always do in the beginning. When they play, they get 138 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: thrown onto a course. Now they got to manage a 139 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 4: golf cart. There's another distraction there, and they forget about 140 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: where they put clubs down. I mean, when you're only 141 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 4: carrying a couple of clubs, you have to be responsible 142 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 4: for them on every single hole. You're not gonna be 143 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 4: forgetting your pitching wedges. That's the only club you have 144 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: with you. So yeah, just those kind of little lessons 145 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: are so valuable when you're starting, and I think you 146 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 4: inherently learn them when you play mini golf like that. 147 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: That's where the moon bag came to be. It was 148 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: from the moon Walk, which is the Part three course 149 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: right right down the street of Moonvalley. 150 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: I learned something new, very cool. 151 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: Second trip, ay night. Now you've got you've got more 152 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: information to take home. I wanted to ask what was 153 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: the experience like when you went to the big course 154 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 3: for the first time. So, I mean you're hitting wedges 155 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: and putters. Yeah, you go to a big golf course. 156 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I can only imagine it's like if you 157 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: grew up in a small town and you go to 158 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: a big city and you're kind of like blown away 159 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: that this even exists. 160 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: True. 161 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: So we spent some time at the range getting comfortable 162 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 4: hitting longer clubs and drivers and things like that, and 163 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: we were watching golf on TV to understand the flow 164 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 4: of playing on a big course. So we knew the 165 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 4: game before we went out there for the first time. 166 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 4: But public golf in New York City is something else. 167 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: There's this one place, Clearview Park, and it literally does 168 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: two hundred thousand rounds a year, which is huge per 169 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: an eighteen hole facility, So that's six minute tea times 170 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: just packing them in from sun up to sundown and 171 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: no driving range and no putting greens. So they had 172 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 4: this one little AstroTurf mat before the first tee where 173 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 4: you could take some practice warm up swings, not even in. 174 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: A ball, and then just go play have at it. 175 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: The only yardage markers on the whole course they had 176 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 4: a kind of a plastic disc in the fairway at 177 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 4: one point fifty maybe if you were lucky, and then 178 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 4: one at one hundred. Nothing else, just play blind, no GPS, 179 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 4: no laser range finders, so I totally played by feel 180 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: the round. The pace of play is six hours, and 181 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: usually we were repaired with people that did not speak English. 182 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 4: So my mom was very brave when I think about it, 183 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: because one female golfer that took up the game later 184 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: in life with a young daughter. My dad was working 185 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 4: half the time, so she liked it enough that she 186 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 4: took it upon herself to go out with me to 187 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 4: bring me to play sometimes at these public golf courses 188 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 4: in the city, and we'd get the random pairing they 189 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: don't let you a twosome go out. There's no such thing. 190 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 4: You have to have a pair. Everybody wants to play, 191 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: so people were playing, so we were always paired up 192 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: with strangers, and I think along the way that actually 193 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: was probably another great learning point of having to deal 194 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 4: with random pairings and different personalities and then asking questions. 195 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: And of course you can imagine not only as a female, 196 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: but as a young girl, I'd get the eye roll 197 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: of people getting paired with us by the starter, wondering 198 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: what the round of golf was going to be like 199 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: when they got paired with mom and daughter who they 200 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: didn't know. We knew how to play, so as we 201 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: got more proficient, that was always a fun experience to 202 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: show them my skills. After I hit my first tee 203 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: shot and you know, hit it really good, so I 204 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 4: don't know, we weren't intimidating. We just went out there 205 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: and we felt like we would learn along the way. 206 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: We knew if we just kept a pace of play 207 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: it was okay. But it wasn't hard to keep a 208 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 4: pace of play because pace of play was six. 209 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Hours a lot. We're gonna be okay, Yeah, we're gonna 210 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: be okay. 211 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: Then you went on to play in college. 212 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: I did so. 213 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: I we got involved in the Metropolitan PGA section with 214 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: all the junior tournaments because we asked questions. They had 215 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: flyers up about junior clinics and little junior tournaments and 216 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: we got involved. So along the way I met a 217 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: couple of mentors in the met section that really helped 218 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 4: me out navigating not only the tournament scene as a 219 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 4: teenager to tell me what I should play in and 220 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: to look up certain resources, but the process of hitting 221 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: off to play competitively at the next level. So my mentor, 222 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 4: Frank Darby, who is an awesome guy, actually has a 223 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: radio show now on Serious on Course with Frank and Brian, 224 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: great guy, so he's still up in thee. He took 225 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: me under his wing and helped me navigate that path 226 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 4: because nobody in my family had ever played college sports, 227 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: and a lot of my family didn't even go to 228 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: normal to your universities, so we had no experience with 229 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: what that was like, and we leaned on him heavily 230 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: to understand how to reach out to coaches and send 231 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: videos and of all things, I'm just thinking about it. 232 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: He told us to get the ping college golf guye. 233 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: Oh. 234 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: Yes, this was a published book of all the scores 235 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: of all the teams in the country for whatever prior 236 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: year happened. 237 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: So before Golf Week. 238 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 4: Magazine was even a thing, which we eventually did subscribe to, 239 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 4: and they would list all the college It was a 240 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: way to see what teams were shooting and where you 241 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 4: thought you'd fit in, and what coaches you should even 242 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: write to to see if you could be a fit 243 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: on their team and introduce yourself. So this is nineteen 244 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 4: ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight, and we can think about 245 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: it was a little white book with all the scores 246 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: in there, and I studied that thing and tried to 247 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: figure out where we were going to send my resume 248 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: to and as I built a playing resume, and he 249 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 4: helped us navigate that process, figured it out, and I 250 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: got a few offers to play, and I played at 251 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: James Madison University, and that's what brought me to Virginia, 252 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 4: which is now where I still live all these years later. 253 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: So that was great. 254 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: The Golf Week thing is so funny. We're all kind 255 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: of similar ages. I remember playing getting into the national 256 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: Junior golf circuit and then playing well enough to get 257 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: into the Golf Week scoring and how cool that felt 258 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: when you flipped to the page and see your name 259 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: at the AJGA, Abileneavin or whatever the case may be. 260 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: It was you know, s I had the faces in 261 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: the crowd thing. This was kind of the golf version 262 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: of that was like I made the Golf Week. 263 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: This week totally, and then you knew what tournaments you 264 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 4: might want to play in. You even knew the existed, 265 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: because this is really pre a lot of search engines 266 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 4: on the web that we knew what and how to 267 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: register for stuff. Eeves, Gosh, it's come a long way, 268 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 4: hasn't it. Junior golf, it's completely different now. No, it's great, 269 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 4: it's hey, it's all. 270 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: Part of the journey. 271 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 2: Erica, it seems you've been very resourceful in your golf career. 272 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: So now I want to fast forward to now what 273 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: you're doing now coaching, teaching, helping golfers get better. Who 274 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: have been some of your mentors along the way when 275 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: your coaching career. 276 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: Sure, so I started coaching after college. It didn't really 277 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 4: set out to be a coach. I knew I wanted 278 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: to be in golf, and I got asked to do 279 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: some coaching for some adult clinics that were happening in 280 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: a facility I was working at, just as a side hustle. 281 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: The guy knew I knew enough about basics. 282 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: I'd played college golf. Yeah, you're good enough to teach 283 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: beginners kind of thing, I said. I agreed. 284 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 4: I'm twenty one, twenty two years old, first job out 285 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 4: of college, and Steve Loscher was his name. He was 286 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: running a pretty popular and busy Nike Golf learning center 287 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 4: in western Virginia. And about halfway through that summer and 288 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: my second round of courses that I was teaching, I 289 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 4: looked at him and I said, I really, I really 290 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: like this. 291 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: This is fun. 292 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 4: I'm finding myself brainstorming on how to be better at 293 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: coaching these classes, and I'm making handouts, and I was 294 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: really spending a lot of mental energy prepping for these 295 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: classes that I was teaching outside of my regular job. 296 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 4: So he goes, just do your PGA certification, take your 297 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 4: pat you should. You know, if you're going to be 298 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: in the golf business, which it sounds like you are, 299 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 4: it wouldn't hurt to get your PGA certification or LPGA certification. 300 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 4: So he encouraged me to take those next steps, and 301 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 4: truly that's where that pivot point was of Okay, I'm 302 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: going to be in the business, but I'm going to 303 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: be a PGA professional and I want to coach full time, 304 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: and so making that decision put me on that next 305 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: journey to working at then a country club and achieving 306 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 4: my class A status and continuing to work on my 307 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: own game, working on my coaching skills, and in terms 308 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 4: of other mentors. To be totally honest, I very much 309 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: was self taught. I didn't work under any top one 310 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: hundred or top fifty coach directly, but I read everything 311 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: I could read. I went to every teaching seminar that 312 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 4: was in my region that the PGA would sponsor every year. 313 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 4: At the PGA Show, I attended extra seminars and coaching summits. 314 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 4: I reached out to coaches and I went to shadow them. 315 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: So I just did a lot of my own research 316 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 4: and went and did certification classes. Not only an ame point, 317 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: but I did TPI the minute that came out, and 318 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: I shadowed Lin Blake for a while, and I learned 319 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: about golf machine and decided I did or didn't like 320 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: pieces of that and just tried to find my own 321 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 4: identity as a coach and what I truly believed in, 322 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 4: and going back to that first mentor that helped me 323 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: on the junior golf side. He had introduced me to 324 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: Ernest Jones and a lot of old school coaching resources 325 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 4: and books. The Harvey Penic books and even the bobber 326 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: Tella books were popular then at that time, and I 327 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: had them all, and I had started my own golf 328 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: library at the age of thirteen fourteen. I was reading 329 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: all that stuff as I educated myself about golf and 330 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 4: golf swing, and then come full circle as I was 331 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 4: becoming a coach. I went back to that library and 332 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 4: I'm reading and rereading all this stuff that was familiar 333 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: to me and trying to put the pieces together of 334 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: what I really believed, what was working for my students 335 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 4: anecdotally on the lesson tee and then consistently what I 336 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: kept going back to that I felt worked not only 337 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 4: for me as a player, but for my students as 338 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: I tried to help them, And it kept coming back 339 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: to how can I make it simple? How can I 340 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: keep it simple? And the old school stuff continued to 341 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 4: resonate all these years later, even after I learned track 342 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: Man and flight scope inside and out. And after I 343 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 4: learned about three D and all the things, it kept 344 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: validating the simplicity of the most basic stuff I was teaching. 345 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: So I finally organized all my ideas and I wanted 346 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 4: to get them on paper to prove to myself that 347 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: I could really commit to one philosophy and own what 348 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: I was saying to my students. And I put it 349 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: together and published my book in twenty seventeen called A 350 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: True Swing, And that was my kind of definitive moment 351 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 4: as a younger coach still of saying this is what 352 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: I believe, at least for my students that I was 353 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 4: coaching at the time, I could give them a copy 354 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: of that and they could read it, or they could 355 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 4: read it before they showed up and knew what I 356 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 4: was about. And I think that was a really important 357 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: point in my process because from there it completely put 358 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: me on a path to develop in content all around 359 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: the ideas that I had committed to. So everything that 360 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: I've done since, all the initiatives, all the content, all 361 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: the branding, all the programming, all the goschools, everything comes 362 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 4: back to my teaching philosophy. 363 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: And as it would be natural. It's evolved a little bit. 364 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: I've added to it, I learned new things. I rethink 365 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: what I've said in the past, and do I still 366 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: believe it? And what I'm happy to say is like yes, 367 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 4: because I chose simple concepts, it always holds water, and 368 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 4: it holds so much water that other coaches are now 369 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 4: asking to be involved in what I'm doing. And to me, 370 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: that's the ultimate validation is when you have your peers 371 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: coming to you saying, I like what you're doing. What 372 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 4: you're doing is what I teach. That resonates with me. 373 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: It also works for my students. Now I know I'm 374 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: on the right track, and I feel like what I'm 375 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: doing is making a difference not just to my students, 376 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: but for other coaches as well. 377 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: Erica, it's a job. I mean, you can't go to 378 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: school to be an instructor. I mean it's something you're 379 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: kind of learning, as you mentioned, as you evolve and 380 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: as you kind of go through the process. Was there 381 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: a moment early in this where you went, I think 382 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm understanding what I'm trying to do here, because again, 383 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 3: you're learning on your feet, you're reading, you're watching, you're 384 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: trying to hear what everybody else is saying. Was there 385 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 3: a moment early on your career where you went, I 386 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 3: think I can kind of do this. 387 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 388 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: I mean I felt like I was always a pretty 389 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 4: good communicator and I could read people well, and I 390 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: always felt like I was a natural coach in that way. 391 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: I just wanted to never be stumped. I wanted to 392 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: never feel like I couldn't help somebody or didn't have 393 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 4: any answer as to why what they were doing was happening, 394 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: or somebody asked a question, I could explain it five 395 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: different ways. I always wanted to be that knowledgeable coach 396 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 4: and resource, so I worked really hard to be prepared 397 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 4: for my students, and along the way, I think I 398 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: just found my own voice in a way of my 399 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: favorite way of saying stuff, my favorite way of showing 400 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: those concepts. 401 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: And it was a bit of a blend and a 402 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: mix of. 403 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: My favorite things from all the pieces that I learned. 404 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: So it's my own concoction, and I'll give credit where credits, 405 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: because I've sort of stolen a lot of ideas from 406 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 4: a lot of places, but my blend is unique. My 407 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: recipe of how I say it and how I show 408 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 4: it is truly my thumb print of my coaching philosophy, 409 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 4: and you know, I'm really happy with where I've landed 410 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 4: on it. 411 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: So how about the relationship with Ping? How did that begin? 412 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 3: When did that conversation start? 413 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: I was searching for a good partner, and it was 414 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 4: funny I'd not been affiliated with any equipment company for 415 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 4: a few years. I was in between contracts, and I 416 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: just wanted to find a place where I felt supported 417 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: to grow my business and also a place where I 418 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 4: felt included in the company from a standpoint of research 419 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 4: and development, wanting to be a part of the growth 420 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: of the brand, the products. And so when the local 421 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 4: Ping rep who I was friends with for many years 422 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: in the Northern Virginia area, said you're not with anybody. 423 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Still, are you? And I go no. He goes, it's. 424 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: Time, Erica, like, you need to talk to us here 425 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: at Ping. And it wasn't the first time he planted 426 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 4: that sea, but I finally took them up on it. 427 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: And I have other few other friends that are ambassadors 428 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: in Ping, including mister Andrew Rice we've spent some time 429 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 4: with this week. And Andrew always said, you know, Ping's great, 430 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 4: They're just they've been such an awesome company to work with. 431 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: If you ever you should really consider maybe talking to them. 432 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: And so it just it took me a couple of years, 433 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 4: but I finally started the ball rolling, and it was 434 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 4: wonderful to have the opportunity to be introduced to some 435 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: amazing people that are part of this Ping family, to 436 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: get the conversations going and explain what my goal goals 437 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 4: are professionally and also just in golf, to see my 438 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 4: business grow, to see golf grow, And when the visions 439 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 4: we realized were aligned, it was a natural fit to 440 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 4: jump in and be a part and join this family. 441 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: So I'm happy with the decision, and I feel like 442 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 4: we've only just scratched the surface with what we can 443 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 4: do together, and a lot of the collaborations that will 444 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: come in the future involve other mutual partners that we 445 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: both have. So not just was it a fit between 446 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 4: Erica Larkin and Ping and True Swing and Ping, but 447 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: also with these other mutual partners that we both share. 448 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: So it just seemed like a natural fit and an 449 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 4: easy decision to join here. 450 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: Erica, what have you seen is the kind of interplay 451 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: of coaching and club fitting and where have you seen 452 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: like club fitting mistakes. You see calm and you're trying 453 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: to help a player get better in a certain area, 454 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: but they might be handcuffed by a mistake they've made 455 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: in their club fitting selection. 456 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: I would say the biggest gaps or red flags. 457 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: When I'm coaching and I noticed something's really off on 458 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 4: equipment that's hampering the students' ability to get better, it 459 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 4: typically comes when to me, the first idea is that 460 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: the shaft is either too heavy or too stiff. That's 461 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: usually the biggest red flag. They're in the wrong They're 462 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 4: just in the wrong shaft. They're not able to time 463 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: their swing properly, or they're not able to even leverage 464 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: the club around them properly. And of course, the best 465 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 4: example I can give you is a lady with ill 466 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 4: filt clubs that are way too long and way too 467 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 4: heavy and. 468 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: Way too stiff. 469 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 4: I mean, it's just can't be successful swinging that. You 470 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: kind of know right away when somebody's the club is 471 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: swinging them instead of them swinging the. 472 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: Golf club kids. That's the obvious. 473 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: Thing too, when parents buy clubs that are way too 474 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 4: big for their kids and the kids are growing into 475 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: their clubs as opposed to growing out of their clubs. 476 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: That's a common thing, So I do think there has 477 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 4: to be that blend of getting people proficient that they 478 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 4: can benefit from a club fitting, but also not waiting 479 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 4: too long to get fit for clubs because you don't 480 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: want it to hamper your ability to improve as a golfer. 481 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 4: So it's definitely has to be there has to be 482 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: a blend between the two. And I think that in 483 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 4: a perfect world, you have a fitter and a coach 484 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 4: working together on a client. It doesn't always happen that way, 485 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 4: or you don't always have the resource right there, depending 486 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: on the environment of the coach or the fitter, but 487 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: that's you have to be. 488 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: I guess. 489 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 4: Just have enough knowledge to be dangerous to know when 490 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 4: to pick out those red flags. And I think that's 491 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 4: where I am personally as a coach, is I know 492 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 4: enough from my interaction with fitting information and doing some 493 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: basic fitting over the years that I know when something's off. 494 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 4: I may not be the person to give a full fitting. 495 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think I want to be in that lane. 496 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 4: I have my own expertise when I look at mechanics 497 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 4: and motion, but I know when something's off enough that 498 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 4: I can refer them to the other expert in their lane. 499 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: So and I think it has to go both ways. 500 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: Hopefully fitters are knowledgeable enough when somebody's set up grips, 501 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: swingplane timing is off that they also know they there 502 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: needs to be changes made before we can solve it 503 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: with the club fitting issue. 504 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that. Yeah, I think that's where our fitters 505 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: here at the proving grounds are do a great job 506 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: at it. Just knowing enough to give give some tips 507 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: and tricks, but you know, kind of be able to 508 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: to transfer to the coach when the time comes. 509 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: We've talked about that with fitters a lot over the 510 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: over the last couple of years. Is the balance right, Yes, 511 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 3: to make sure you there's certain and things you can 512 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: say at times, but maybe to kind of stay in 513 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: your lane. I wanted to ask, you know, we live 514 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: in a world where on our phones all the time. 515 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: You know, my father in law watches golf instruction on 516 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 3: YouTube basically from start to finish every day. How do 517 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: you balance that the consumption from golfers that want to 518 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: get tips and tricks online versus maybe over consumption and 519 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 3: hearing so many different philosophies on YouTube versus actually going 520 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: and seeing someone to help them with their specific golf swing. 521 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 4: Best case scenario is a golfer works with a PGA 522 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: professional teaching professional on getting at least a diagnosis of 523 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 4: what is happening, because many times golfers are looking at 524 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: tips and trying to self diagnose and then prescribe. So 525 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 4: at least if you have if you have the wrong 526 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 4: diagnosis and you're taking medicine for the wrong diagnosis, you're 527 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 4: not bound to get ill, like you're not going to 528 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 4: make you're not going to get better. So I mean, 529 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 4: let's find the root cause of what you're doing and 530 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: get you on a pathway or at least a theme 531 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: of what you need to be focused on to start 532 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 4: getting better and improving so that you can start taking 533 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: the right medicine. I think from there, if we use 534 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 4: the clossiest example of you know, a golfer's coming over 535 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: the top, and hopefully we can understand you and like, 536 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 4: why you're coming over the top? 537 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: Is there another root cost for that? Get to the 538 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: bottom of that. 539 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 4: Sure, Now you have your theme, you have your understanding 540 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 4: of what you're doing and why you are doing it. 541 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 4: Now go do that In the search engine. On YouTube, 542 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: you can get more filter the results better for what 543 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 4: the medicine is that you really need for your issue. 544 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: But if you're searching the wrong issue or they're making 545 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 4: big assumptions, that's when they go down the road at home. 546 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 4: They get so confused and they end up on my lessons. 547 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: Anyway. 548 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 3: They're gonna come to come either way, but. 549 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 4: It's just whether or not they want to have more 550 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 4: pain in the process or I can eliminate them some frustration. 551 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: It's just so's it's just so crazy that there is 552 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: so much out there on YouTube across the board. I mean, 553 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 3: you think about everything in terms of golf, golf, travel, 554 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: golf geting, golf instruction, all these things online, it's so 555 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: easy to just whatever you take it as gospel versus 556 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: maybe what's actually going to work for myself, my body, 557 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: my golf swing, myst swing speeds. 558 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of great coaches that are putting 559 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: great content online, and I guess unfortunately there's also some 560 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: misinformation and that's what golfers don't know how to sort through. 561 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 4: I can see it, but they don't know. And there 562 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 4: are a lot of influencers that are giving golf tips 563 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 4: that have never given a golf lesson in their life. 564 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 4: I have a problem with that, to be totally honest, 565 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 4: because to teach people is to know what works truly 566 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 4: on the lesson te and what works in application and 567 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 4: in theory. What works for you or some swing thought 568 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: that you have might work for another golfer, but it 569 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 4: might be so specific. And then they start to share 570 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: these ideas or random drills that they're working on in 571 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: an effort to just share and make content, and people 572 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 4: are consuming that with no context around it. That's where 573 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: it's really tough. I try to do a good job 574 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: in my videos, and I think good coaches do. This 575 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 4: is when you're presenting an idea of a drill, Let's 576 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 4: say you put it in context and you try to 577 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 4: validate qualify in the beginning of the tip who it's for, 578 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: and that way you're explaining to the viewer if this 579 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: is you, if this is the ball flight you're seeing, 580 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 4: if this is what you're happening in your game, then 581 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 4: this tip. 582 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: Is for you. 583 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: Is that presenting like skill set, swing speed, things like 584 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 3: that you're a if you're a you know, one hundred 585 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: mile per hour swing speed guy or girl, this is 586 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: maybe what I'm talking about here. 587 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Or if you're seeing a certain kind of 588 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: ballflight or a certain kind of contact, then this drill 589 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 4: is for you, because otherwise if you just start with, hey, guys, 590 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 4: I have this awesome drill. It really helped me get better. 591 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: You should try it. 592 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: There's no context around that, and it doesn't mean it's 593 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: for everybody. But you know, some influencers are hawking these 594 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: random drills and tips because it worked for them and 595 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 4: it might help a few people. But unfortunately, if more 596 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 4: people are consuming it without understanding if it's truly for them, 597 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: that's where it goes wrong. So yeah, that's a common 598 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 4: complain of mind Erica. 599 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 2: What skill level of golfer do you like to teach 600 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: the most? You know, I know you've taught even Larkin 601 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 2: gross Right, who played in the PEG Championship, fell PGA member, 602 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: which that tell us about that experience being out there. 603 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 4: The average golfer I teach is a twenty handicap and 604 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 4: is a club level player, is an avid golfer, but 605 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 4: you know, more recreational. And I really enjoy teaching that 606 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: golfer because they have so much room to improve and 607 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: small winds are big wins, and it just is very rewarding, 608 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 4: and you know, you're helping that kind of golfer enjoy 609 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 4: their day to day life and investment in their own 610 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 4: recreation more. They're getting more bang for their buck on 611 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 4: what is a fun quality part of their life. So 612 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 4: for me, that's probably the most rewarding. But I definitely 613 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: have to say that coaching a player in a PGA 614 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: major is also pretty darn rewarding. Like, you know, the 615 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 4: other side of that coin is here. I am walking 616 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 4: inside the ropes elbow to elbow with some of the 617 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 4: best coaches and best players during those practice rounds and 618 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: on the driving range, and my player Lark and Gross 619 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 4: is literally standing next to and warming up, you know, 620 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: right there next to Tommy Fleetwood and Brooks Kopka and 621 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 4: Bryce and like they're all right there. And just being 622 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 4: in that environment for a bit of four days every 623 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: year the last few years has been really cool. I 624 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: just get that little taste of what it's like to 625 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 4: be a tour coach. I can't say, I don't know 626 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 4: if I would want to be a full time tour coach. 627 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 4: It's a whole other game and it's another lifestyle, and 628 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm built for that, but it's 629 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 4: fun to get the taste of it and to understand 630 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 4: the tournament vibe, how the players schedule is that week. 631 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: There's a lot more going on behind the scenes that 632 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 4: I think I ever really understood. So when you're truly 633 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: back there in the clubhouse and seeing what's going on 634 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: in the PT area and the locker room and what 635 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: the guys are doing and how they have to manage 636 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 4: their tea times, and there's just so much to it 637 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 4: in that high level tournament golf. What the vibes are like, 638 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 4: who's chatty, who's not chatty, the caddy interactions, the course conditions. 639 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 4: Just seeing that up close and personal from inside the 640 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: ropes was very helpful for me as a coach to 641 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 4: then bring that in, you know, experience back to the. 642 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: Other day golfer that I typically am spending time with. 643 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: But that was a gift. 644 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 4: It was a real fun treat to do that. And 645 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: he's qualified three times through the PGA Pathway, winning at 646 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 4: the National Club Pro level and earning one of those 647 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 4: team of twenty spots to make it to the pg Championship. 648 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 4: He's not made the cut yet any of his experiences. 649 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: But hopefully one of these years he's young at all. 650 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 4: He's right there, he's only in his late twenties, so 651 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 4: I think for many years to come he'll be that 652 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 4: player that is naturally known. 653 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: As a great club professional. 654 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 4: And you know, if he breaks through one day like 655 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 4: a Michael Block, did you know, maybe he'll have his moment. 656 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 4: But it's fun to be a part of his team 657 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 4: and to ride the coattails of what PJ tour life. 658 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: There's a certain calm inside the ropes out there. Yeah, 659 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: it's like get outside the ropes, you get the buzz 660 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: and the yeah chatter, but when you're in there, it's 661 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: kind of peaceful. 662 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: Very neat. It's very neat. I'm glad I got to 663 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: experience that. 664 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: Erica, Who do you see when the golf instructor needs instruction? 665 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 3: Who do you go see when the golf swing doesn't 666 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: feel like it's styled in. 667 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: Per like when the golf coast needs a tweak? 668 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you need a tweak? 669 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: When I need a tweak, I mean. 670 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: Do you just watch video yoursel of yourself or do 671 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: you do you go see somebody else? It's like the 672 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: psychiatrist that needs you need to talk to somebody. 673 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a few close friends, and I'll sometimes 674 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: send videos back and forth. So I certify coaches, and 675 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 4: I have a couple of close friends of mine that 676 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: I'll send them like I'm hitting. 677 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: To see here fitting issue, that's right. 678 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 4: You know, Andrew Rice has looked at my swing a 679 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 4: few times, and Jeff Ritter and Adam basil Jet whenever 680 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 4: we were together doing our events and schools. A few 681 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: years back, we were running programs together and we'd have 682 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: a little bit of downtime before students showed up. We'd 683 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: all hit shots and give each other tips. 684 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: So, yeah, no, it's fun to work. Do you work 685 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: on my own game a little bits? 686 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean i'd imagine. I mean i'd imagine it 687 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: must be kind of almost a weird feeling at times too, 688 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 3: to like watch your own golf swing. Yes, and to 689 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 3: go out. I didn't know I was even doing that, 690 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 3: or maybe you're the alignment's off or something like that. 691 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 4: I know immediately what I'm doing. I know my own 692 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 4: patterns well enough that I know exactly what I need 693 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: to do to fix it. It's amazing how you just 694 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 4: without regular practice slip back. There's just maintenance practice that 695 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: has to happen to keep you on track for where 696 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 4: you need. You know, you need to be where the 697 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 4: sweet spots are. With the beauty of technology, not only 698 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 4: track Man and video instant capture in my teaching base, 699 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 4: but having Sportsbox three D analysis, you know things like 700 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 4: that where you can literally take a video, populate data immediately, 701 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: get visual feedback and pretty much optical feedback on what 702 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: you're doing, numbers of body rotation, path playing. I mean, 703 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: you can know everything about your swing, you can X 704 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 4: ray everything about your mechanics in one click of an iPhone. 705 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 4: It's incredible. So I guess I would say I self 706 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 4: coach more than I reach out for help. But hey, 707 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 4: it's part of It's part of the fun. 708 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 3: Marty. Do you do you look at number when you're 709 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 3: messing with stuff like if something's not working for you? 710 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: Are you more of a look at number guy? Or 711 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 3: do you go dive into somebody looking at your golf? 712 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm I'm video, I'm video, a little bit 713 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: of track Man if needed, and then I'm I'm a 714 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: degenerate lesson taker, so I'm always taking lessons, are you 715 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: Grant Waite? Andy Patt? Now those are my Those are 716 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: my two that have helped me and in the last 717 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 2: five or six years of my game. 718 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: It is crazy though, with the track man and just 719 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: kind of know if when you start to really understand 720 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: the numbers, when something's off, when you look at the 721 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 3: numbers and you go, I know exactly what I'm doing wrong. 722 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a immediately it's crazy. 723 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: Well, Erica, we appreciate the time. Thanks so much. Great 724 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: to see you kind of around the campus and we'll 725 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: chat with you very very soon. 726 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: Again, thanks so much. Guys. 727 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: This is the Ping proven Grounds podcast.