WEBVTT - Justice for Who Deserves It 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:01.480 A warning. 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.800 This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:11.520 that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.200 you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.560 the end of this episode to find out where help 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:18.320 is available. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.120 It felt very real what she was telling. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:30.840 Me, A stunning confession before Kelly Moffatt ever comes forward 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:31.720 to authorities. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.720 I'm still a loss for words for it, because it's, 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.120 first of all, it's something I don't talk about. It's 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.919 something I'm not comfortable with. I hate that I even 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.800 have had to talk about it more than I've ever 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.760 needed to in my whole life. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:56.520 I'm Leah Rothman. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.680 This is The Real Killer, Episode eleven and Justice for 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:11.520 who Deserves It. Before we get into this week's episode, 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.760 A quick note about something in our last episode. I 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.360 mentioned that back in nineteen ninety seven, no testing had 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:24.280 been performed on Anastasia's hands for trace metals. Turns out 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.160 there was material collected from underneath her fingernails that wasn't 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.800 tested either. In twenty twenty three, Byron's legal team had 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.760 that material tested for DNA by the Kansas City Police 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.280 crime Lab. The Examiner wrote in their report that two 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:46.880 of the samples had no foreign genetic material detected, meaning 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.080 what was found belonged to anastasia, and the last sample 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.640 was too small to detect anything usable. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:56.120 Okay. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.280 Also in the last episode, we shared some of the 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.680 affidavits Byron's legal team has obtained from the medical examiner, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:07.840 the judge, and the defense attorney. We also shared some 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.960 of Angie Giannino's affidavit. Angie and Kelly met in late 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.600 nineteen ninety nine early two thousand, when Kelly was seventeen 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.960 and Angie was a couple of years older. Angie is 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.000 the friend who on May fifteenth, two thousand, was pulled 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.320 over for speeding. Remember, Kelly was in the passenger seat 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.560 through a bottle of alcohol out the car window and 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.320 was eventually arrested for littering, given shock, jail time, and probation. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.359 Angie was also at Kelly's house when the June fifth 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.760 recorded phone call took place. Today, Angie is a mother 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.960 and works as an IT solution analyst in the Kansas 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.920 City area. Angie agrees to speak with me and share 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:55.360 what she remembers about Kelly, their friendship and so much 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.560 more so, how. 0:02:57.400 --> 0:02:58.200 Did you meet Kelly. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:01.360 I had met her at a party. It was a 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:06.680 rave essentially, and we just like connected immediately, Like she 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.680 was just a ray of sunshine and I felt her 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.400 vibe and she felt mine and it was magical. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.080 How does a friendship flourish? 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.400 What I liked about her and the reason why the 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.079 friendship even continued was that she was just so genuine 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.840 and she was just so sweet, and she really cared 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.720 about you. So when she talked to you, you mattered, 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.560 and she really listened to you, and she was very intelligent. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.359 We had a passion to also go enjoy ourselves, so 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.680 we kind of followed where these parties went and you know, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.400 kind of went into that scene for a bit. But 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.560 we had a blast. We would dance, we would laugh. 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.880 I mean, it was just so much fun. 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.680 Uh it was Kelly in school at that point. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.400 Or no or no, she was not in school. We 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.640 never talked about school. That's weird. Like we talked about everything, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:04:00.000 like about life, philosophy, Like we were really into Avante 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.600 Guard film music, like none of like the real mainstream stuff. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.640 Like she was so mature, like her whole person, her 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:10.600 whole aura. She's just a very old soul. 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.400 When did you first learn of Byron case. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.680 It was in her bedroom at her parents' house. Like 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.560 I don't know if it was Bao house we were 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.640 listening to or could have been the Cure. I mean 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.279 we just just a song made her think of him, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.120 and like so she spoke of him in a very 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.520 light manner, initially. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.640 A reminder at this point Kelly and Byron are no 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.799 longer together before and what did she say about the relationship, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:38.520 But she. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.920 Was just telling me like this, like he was this 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.200 older man and he was just so beautiful, and he 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:46.880 thought she was so beautiful, and they were just enamored 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.160 with each other, and it was like this magical love 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.640 story and they were just like obsessed with one another. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.480 I was like, wow, she goes yeah. I'm like, how 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.040 did you meet him? She's like in Westport? And I 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.000 was like, well, how old were you? And she was like, 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.600 I was like thirteen, And I was like, what what 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.800 do you do with Westport at thirteen? By yourself? I 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.800 was just amazed by the fact that she was down there. 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.000 I mean, I don't remember where she met him in Westport, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.760 but she met him and they just immediately like had 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.680 this like loving like you know, I don't know, mystical 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.800 love if you will. That was the assumption I was 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.480 under when I heard about him. She's like, oh, yeah, 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.120 we would listen to all this music and dance and 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.840 she would do all these like dramatic things with her hands, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.760 you know, very gothy, goth ass kind of vibes with it. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:43.120 So was Kelly goth Yeah, she was, But I was two, 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.440 so it wasn't like I'm like, okay, like I love 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.760 the same music and a lot of the same movies. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.159 So she had a dark esthetic. I wouldn't say, I 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.600 don't know how to describe it, but she was just 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.800 she had a very light dark about her. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.640 Over time and She's says she notices some changes in 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:03.720 Kelly's behavior. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.760 So I saw some of the cracks in the pavement 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.440 as time went on in our friendship. Her and I, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.880 like I said, we went to raves. So when we 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.200 went to raves, we tried some of the things there, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.320 so that would be like ecstasy, you know, but like 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.880 some of those things and like you know, smoke weed 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:27.120 and those were the things, at least to my knowledge, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.720 we were doing. But I didn't know that behind the 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.880 scenes there were things going on with Kelly and what 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:39.120 she was doing. So I didn't know that it almost 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.719 became an everyday thing that she was drinking vodka every day, 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.919 functioning alcoholic. I didn't know this. I was drinking, but 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.599 I wasn't drinking to that extreme extent like I was like, oh, yeah, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.440 it's to drink, you know. And then she was dating 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.840 this guy named Jim, and I don't know if it's 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.520 just up and down like relationship, but then I saw 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.320 more things happen, like her drug use. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:13.440 So one day, you and Kelly are hanging out and 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.120 she says what she's. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.520 Like, yeah, let's go visit. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.000 Him, and she's talking about Byron. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.560 I think he's still I don't know if she was 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.120 communicating with him or how that all even transpired. 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:26.560 How. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.960 I was like, final, take you because I had a car, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.920 so I'll come with you. So we pulled up to 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:39.480 his apartment typical Westport apartment, you know, midtown apartment, and 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.520 we went in and like immediately it was so cold, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.000 like and not like temperature like I'm freezing, I need 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:54.320 a coat, but like it just dissolute. It felt very cold, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:59.400 like very very cold. And we enter into the into 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:07.080 his place, and I immediately feel insanely uncomfortable, like I 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.400 don't feel like I belong there. I don't know what's 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.000 going on, but I don't feel very comfortable at all. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.600 So I proceed to have some drinks because it would 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.200 probably keep me at a decent composure so I could 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:26.880 handle the situation. I didn't even know what to expect. Nothing. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:33.360 I just felt a very icy, cold energy within that place. 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.360 So they immediately never lose eye contact and just talk. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.000 They're talking, They're talking, talking, talking, you know, I'm just 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.960 sitting on the couch and letting that happen. I think 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.520 a roommate comes in. I don't know if the roommate went 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.480 to the room or left. I don't know. Again, I 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.040 just was hoping we could get out of there fast, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.520 because what I envisioned of this man was nothing that 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.760 I felt or saw with my own two eyes that 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.760 Kelly had glamorized early on. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.160 And Kelly and Byron are talking NonStop. How do they 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.400 seem with each other? Do they seem comfortable? 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.160 Are they intense like body language of mimic each other, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:19.480 like like almost as if they were I don't know, 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:22.559 like there was definitely there was definitely still a connection 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.400 between the two. I couldn't decipher, you know, feelings were involved, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.920 but it was like they were connected and they were talking, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.280 so they were into what they were talking. My back 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.320 was towards them. I'm on their food, on his futon 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.680 couch whatever it was, and they were behind me talking 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.160 and I think she sat down over here once and 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.960 talked to him, and then she got back up and talked. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.680 They were talking out loud, there was no whispering. I 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.720 just don't remember what they talked about because I was 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.199 so like, I want to get out of here, Like 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.360 I just blocked because I didn't think it was important 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.679 for me to listen to what they were talking about. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.960 I think Byron was about to move to Saint Louis. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.760 Do you remember if there were moving boxes or if 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.079 Kelly said anything about what are the boxes here for? 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.920 And he's like, I'm moving to Saint Louis? Do you 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:09.760 remember any of that? 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:13.440 Honestly, the only memories I have are walking into that 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.480 place and it feeling the vibe that I got of 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.160 it feeling very icy cold. 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.640 Did as you were there for a little bit, did 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.439 it get a little bit more comfortable, did you feel 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.280 a little bit more at ease or did you feel 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:26.679 that way? 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.960 Did you feel uncomfortable the entire time you were there? 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.960 I think after my second shot I felt better. To 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.320 be honest, I don't think that the vibe ever changed. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:42.240 So how long are you at Byron's? Roughly could have 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:43.000 been an hour? 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.679 And what happens when you leave? 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.720 Remember we left and she told me, let's just go 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.280 to a park. I need to talk to you, and 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.840 I said, okay. This was directly after leaving his house. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.480 We pull over in a park there in Kansas City, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:02.640 not far from his place, and it what she tells 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:07.920 me in that car made my heart drop. So she 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.560 tells me of what had happened to the two people 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:18.480 that were murdered and what she witnessed, and I just 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.480 couldn't believe it, Like why, first of all, take me 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.320 to a place of someone who would have done that 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:32.360 to somebody like what I had. I'm still a loss 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:37.559 of words for having to experience something just secondhand like that, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.960 just to hear someone tell me that, like, it wasn't 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:45.440 a movie, it wasn't a book, it was someone who 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.679 actually saw something so terrible happened. She tells me the 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:51.880 whole story, and. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.000 Tell me, can you tell me what she told you? 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:55.839 What did she What did Kelly tell you? 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.560 Oh my god, Oh my god, Like it's awful. Like 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:04.360 she said that she her and Byron would hang out 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:09.160 with Anastasia and the scirling Monastasia and Justin they were 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.960 a couple, like they hung out with them and a 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.800 couple other people. But I know do have their names 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.679 because of what that story And it's not a story. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.960 I mean, this happened to somebody, to people's lives are 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.680 gone now, you know, like telling me about what had happened. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.559 So she told me, I mean, sorry, I'm getting all 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.040 jumbled here because I mean, this is intense. So she 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:41.120 told me that she witnessed Byron murder Anastasia and how 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.800 he did that was by She was in the front 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.360 seat and he told Anastasia to get out of the 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.160 car in front of the car, and then he went 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.360 to the back of the car and pulled out a 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.640 shotgun or a gun, I'm not sure what kind of weapon, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.360 but it was a gun and killed and Kelly was 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.480 in the front seat witnessing this. Again, she could have 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:05.800 been in the front seat, she could have been out 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.160 of the car, but she witnessed it. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.600 And so you your friend Kelly tells you that she 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.679 witnessed her boyfriend murder, her friend murder, and what do 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.360 you what is going through you? 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:27.520 Fear and sadness discussed and like every emotion you could 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.079 possibly go through. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.520 But there's more and it involves Justin. 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.280 That was kind of a gray area because she said 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.240 that he was found like a week later in a warehouse, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.800 and like in DeSoto, Kansas. I believe she didn't witness 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.960 what happened with Justin, so she couldn't be one hundred 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:55.600 percent certain about that, but she definitely, she definitely felt 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.679 that he had some Byron had something to do with 0:13:58.960 --> 0:13:59.800 Justin's murder. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:05.360 A reminder, Justin's death was ruled a suicide. I think 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.240 you said when we spoke last, like you were almost 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.680 kind of mad at her that she brought you to 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:12.600 Byron's house. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.440 After you learn I was, I was shocked and I 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.120 was pissed, and afterwards I just was like, what the 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.160 hell are you doing? Why would you put me in 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.840 any harms way like that? Like what if he went 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.040 crazy and did something to us at his place. I 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.480 don't know him, I didn't know anything like this about him, 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.880 Like I was, I mean, there were just so many 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.480 thoughts going through my head. And then just to know 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.040 that that had happened and she had told me. I mean, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.000 I was just sick, like so such a barrage of 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.960 emotions pouring out of me, like I I was, And 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.880 absolutely I was like why would you even bring someone? 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.760 But I felt that she in just retrospect, she probably 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.080 felt safe with me there because we were the closest 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:02.800 to one another. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.880 She must not have been afraid of Byron the way 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.920 you described like their interaction at his apartment. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.800 She wasn't. She didn't seem like she was afraid. But 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.520 I don't know if she was putting on a brave face. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.680 I don't know, Like get me to the nearest place 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:25.320 where I could sit I needed. I just felt very uncomfortable, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.320 Like it just felt like a very dark force, if 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.480 you will, Like I just felt a very dark energy 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.360 in the home. I mean, that's the best way to 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:33.000 describe it. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.840 You said you needed to drink. Was Kelly drinking at 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.680 that at the apartment too? With Laren? 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:42.840 Oh? I'm sure she was always drinking. Unfortunately, did you 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:43.600 guys drink? 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.280 Did you drink when you went to the park and 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.520 she went to go tell you, you. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.120 Know, I think we did. I think no, I think 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.160 we did have a bottle in the car, And I 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.520 got to remember all this stuff, But I think I 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:56.760 remember going to the park. I remember her telling me 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.600 what happened, and I'm sure we had was in the car. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.520 Sure there was like vodka in the car. If not, 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.840 we went and got some probably after. It's awful. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:14.640 What what had or had you discussed Anastasia's death and 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.600 Justin's deaths, their deaths before. 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.480 Or when did you first learn? 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:19.880 No? 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.680 Yeah, she'd never mentioned in the car. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.400 She'd never in your year and a half or year 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.880 plus of friendship at that point, she'd never mentioned that 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.080 one of her friends was murdered and her boyfriend was 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:33.120 also found dead. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:34.680 No, never once. 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.840 How when Kelly's telling you this is she how is she? 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:39.400 Like? 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:40.360 What is her demeanor? 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.480 She's like, I'm in my like I'm in my seat, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.720 you know, I'm the driver's seat. And then she's like 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.600 facing me like this and telling me what's happening. So 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.960 she's she's kind of catty corner to me, and she's 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:58.880 telling me like crying, like just it all was a floodgate, 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.880 and I felt the floodgates, like she just it all floodgated, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.000 all this information, all these things she's held in. I 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:10.119 could feel the release of something that needed to be said, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.920 and she told me. You know, I think the main 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.359 thing was me wanting to comfort her because that's a 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.280 big admission, and she's bawling and freaking out, and I 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.120 was like, my friend is a lot of pain, and 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.800 she just admitted something so terrible, and to have witnessed 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.879 something so terrible it was, it was just an awful 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.160 I felt for her. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.600 I did did Kelly say anything else about what happened 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.400 the night that Anastasia was murdered? 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.200 She did, She did tell me the details, but I 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:40.720 honestly don't remember them. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.440 That's fine. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.199 You said that there was no part of you that 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.960 questioned what Kelly was telling you. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.919 You believed her. 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:54.159 One, yes, yeah, I mean I had no reason to 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.800 not believe her. She didn't lie to me. She was 0:17:57.840 --> 0:17:59.000 a great friend to me. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.880 And you said she'd never lied to you. 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.719 That I mean nothing that I ever caught nothing that 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.480 I was like, oh you know you lied to me? 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.280 Oh yeah, she was pretty honest. I mean she was 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.080 up straightforward, you know, very I mean she was. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:23.000 Honest, Angie says. After that day, Kelly's drug use gets worse. 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.600 So that started the decline of things because I'm like, 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.960 I can't follow that. I can't be a part of that. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.440 That's not me. So once that started, that's when our 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.080 friendship kind of started. We were like this and then 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.199 you know, we were so close, and then we just 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.479 dissipated slowly, Okay. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.000 And then so she goes into rehab. Do you know, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.720 is it like multiple times or is it just one 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.280 time before getting to going to Byron's house. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:52.600 That one day. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.560 She may have gone to rehab before that, but I 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:59.960 don't remember. Excuse me, I don't remember when her first 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.600 stint was other than when I was friends with her, 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:09.760 Like the like crack use became out of hand when 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.879 after we went to his house. But really the catalyst 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.000 was going to Byrons. That's where Kelly started spiraling. 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.320 Meaning the drugs. 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.159 The drugs. Yeah, so she just went off that. She 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.520 went off that end there about that deep end, and 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.040 that was what her coping mechanism was. I think seeing 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.320 him triggered her. Telling me what happened triggered her, and 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.600 that she was already triggered because she was already drinking 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.960 daily behind closed doors. Again, things I didn't realize till later. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.680 So after that, it was her going down that dark 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.840 demise into drugs, you know, and then it all kind 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.800 of went to where she then went into rehab and 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.639 then her admission had happened there. 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.480 So timeline wise, it seems around June or July of 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.600 two thousand and Kelly and Angie go to Byron's house 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:08.600 and Kelly confesses to witnessing Byron kill Anastasia. Then two 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.879 three months later, in September of two thousand, Kelly confesses 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.919 to her drug counselor and the authorities are called. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.400 Did she. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:23.360 Share with you when she came forward and spoke with police? 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.560 And yeah, she told me she told the counselor and 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.680 that that ball is going to start rolling basically like that. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:32.600 Yeah. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.720 I was going to ask you, like, did you ever 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.560 consider going to the authorities? 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:37.480 Yeah? 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.280 If I had time to really mull it over and 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.359 not then get swept into another thing that I had 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.880 to now be concerned for my friend safety and life, 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.640 I probably would have done that. You know, I probably 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.720 would have taken those steps. But it was again, the 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.960 two years were so extreme, so many extreme things happened. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.960 So this was like the latter part of the extremity. 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.280 It was her addiction or turned into addiction or I 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:09.760 don't know when it all started, but it completely spiraled 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.640 out of control after she told me what had happened. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:20.160 So you were interviewed by Byron's previous attorney, Cindy Short 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:21.879 I think in twenty sixteen with. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.840 My very first phone call, yeah, and. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.879 Then again by his current legal team last year twenty 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:29.440 twenty three. 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:35.240 So when you spoke with Cindy Women, yes, yeah, when 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.000 you spoke. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.840 With Great, what do you make of that? 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.160 First of all, I'm like, why do you guys keep 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.080 asking me, like what did I have to do with anything? 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:46.919 That's how I feel. I feel very put out. That 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.840 was the initial feeling because I don't even know these people. 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.240 I was told this in a car and after that, 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.840 the whole friendship group, you know, it just went south. 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.560 She went south at all Wins, So I could they 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:05.600 couldn't have been kinder people, especially like put in a 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:08.560 cold And my take on it is, I get that 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.320 they need to do this to you. You're not on 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.960 anyone's side. You're trying to just hear the facts and 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.920 you're trying to, you know, hear the accounts and stories 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.159 from everyone, and I find that great. That's why I'm 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.400 very comfortable in talking to you about this again. I 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:27.040 can't I'm not pointing any fingers in anyone because I 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:32.040 don't I wasn't there, I don't know. I can only 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.080 go off of what I was told by a close 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.280 friend of mine at the time and what I felt, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:39.080