1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: This He's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Very sad. Here 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, Rob Phillips, and Taylor 4 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: Starn Hello, and welcome to fucking Tuesday here at the 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Of course we're in a different setting 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: here today, but not to fret, we still have most 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: of the same people. It said Brian brought us decided 8 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: to go and watch Tiger Woods. I get it. He's 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: much cooler than us. But Dave Hellman joining us today. 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: And if you guys are watching on your connected TV apps, 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: you see that we are looking very intense and focused 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: here in the studio. How come they're redoing our cameras 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: so they can see you better? You better, change of venue. 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: You have so much presence in this camera. You look 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: like you're six eight to six. You guys have to 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: tune in and see. But Mike Shaquille looks I guess, 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: I guess this is nothing new for you guys, because 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: you were out there at the Star grand opening last week. 19 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: That's right. Wait, this is the traveling road show Talking Cowboys. 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: By the way, this is our like our training camp 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: set right here. It's a good Yeah, it's a good look. 22 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: It's a good look. So so, Dave, kind of moment 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: of truth for you to have your first words here. Yeah. 24 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Not not too happy about the Taylor. Uh. I really 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: need to stay away from Twitter when I'm not all 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: the way awake in the morning. But yeah, happy to 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: be here for Brian. He's off in Augusta trying to 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: get that green jacket from Tiger. So I said, I 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: talked to Brian, brought us voice for the whole show. 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm not not doing that, no way. I've been doing 31 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: this way too many years for that. But but I'll 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: give I'll give it a go. Thanks much, Thanks much. 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: You think he's bringing us back to Pimento cheese sandwiches, Well, 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: I'll punish about fifteen of those, Mick, But no, I can't, 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: especially since they're supposed to keep him at the same 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: price they originally were have about thirty five yeah, thirty five. Yeah, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: So we're guys, we're just holding it down. Thank you 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Brian for being here in spirit. Yes, you need to 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: take Nikki's advice. He stays away from Twitter, he does. 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: What fun is that? Mick? He says he does, and 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: then he fights with people, and I have fought with 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: anybody in over a month. Well, Micky, if you've got 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: pretty good, isn't it? That's all right, pretty good self 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, it was the beard. It was the 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: beard that was holding him. But Mick, if you have 46 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: been on Twitter recently, then you've seen that thanks to 47 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: social media, we have some of the thirty day visits 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: kind of leaking out. Thanks for social media. How else 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: would you have found out about it? Just walk down 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: the hallway and look, well, that's your access, not everyone else. Okay, yes, 51 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: you are privileged in that way. Okay, So who's here today? 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: So today I don't know exact names. I don't want 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: to get in trouble here. Are you teasing us? Their 54 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: teasing you? There's thirty of them, Yeah, and usually they 55 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: hold a couple spots open. I don't know if they've 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: got thirty right off the bat. Usually they you know, 57 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: if they need to bring in somebody else, they kind 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: of they haven't filled out the whole list. Yeah, Um, 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: there's there's at least a handful of spots. Like you said, 60 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, guys schedule, I mean, these guys are going 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: on visits all over the country, so you kind of 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: got to leave things open to work with. Um. And 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: plus you've still got three weeks to the draft. I 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: think you can visit with guys right up until the 65 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: week before, so they got I mean a lot of 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: guys coming through the next few days, but you've got 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: several weeks after that to bring in anybody else you 68 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: want to talk to. I believe this is the first day. 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they had anybody in yesterday. They came 70 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: in I think less night. So today's the first day 71 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: to do visits. And again it's not a workout. People 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: sometimes get it confused. Uh, it's just visiting. Um, they 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: might put the guy on the board, let them diagram something, 74 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: but it's more to get to know the guys and 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: see them on your turf instead of the player's turf. 76 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: So and they and you know, they'll they'll do some 77 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: interviews and UM, see how guys handled themselves. Yes, and 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: you've you've been here for a long time to see 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: guys that they've brought in haven't drafted after all, or 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: vice versa. Maybe they didn't like them that much. They 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: come in here on the thirty day visits. They were 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: thoroughly impressed. Can you name some names in past drafts 83 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: that have come in and had a good thirty visit 84 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: that you know of? I know Zeke had a good 85 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: visit here. Dak was the last visit, wasn't he for 86 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: two years ago? Yeah? And you know, just because they 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: bring guys into visit doesn't mean that they're drafting those guys. Yeah, 88 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: it's just kind of the get to know And it 89 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're all first round picks either. They're bringing 90 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: in some guys that are seventh round picks. They're bringing 91 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: some guys that will probably be priority free agents after 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: the draft. So here we go. I ask you a question, though, 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: fire Away, you feel comfortable drafting a guy that you 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: don't bring in on one of these guests? Absolutely answer 95 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: the question, because I probably know enough about the guy 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: that I don't have to use one of my thirty visits? 97 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: Do you know enough about them? If because I've been 98 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: to the combine, I've been to his pro day, my 99 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: scouts have scouted him all season long. See, I'm just 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: testing him right there. And you know, there was one 101 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: guy that they brought in. It must have been two 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, the linebacker Williams. Jason Williams, Jason Williams Combine, 103 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: Western Western Illinois, right, Yeah, and he was their top pick. 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: He was the third round. He was impressive. He was 105 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: like the only guy that showed up at the ranch 106 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: in a coat and tie like this is my job interview, 107 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: which I like, Okay, I like that. This kid's got 108 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: it right. Yeah, and they traded. They didn't have a 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: first round pick, they traded out of the second. It 110 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: took him at the top of the third. He was awful, 111 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: he couldn't play. Yeah, he was a workoutside guy. Don't 112 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: judge a book by its cover work. Yeah, that happened 113 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: here in the last couple of years. Like yeah, I 114 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: mean to your point, like these guys are wearing like 115 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Nike sweats or like T shirt hats on backwards. Somebody 116 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: within the last two Randy Moss came in in like 117 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: a three piece suit, and I was like, okay, guy 118 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Ron Leary did that a few years ago, and I 119 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: think that to me was a guy he knew he 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: had a knee issue and he was like, I'm gonna 121 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: do everything I can to impress this team. And he did, 122 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: and he wound up getting a starting job. But yeah, 123 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a good lesson. Maybe not starts your 124 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: draft in the third round. You know, well that help 125 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: that didn't that that drafting, And don't take a guy 126 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: that was a kind of a highbred linebacker and think 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: he was going to be this pass rushing dynamo. Played 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage and rushed the quarterback. That's 129 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: all he did. In the Will McClay era, I can't 130 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: imagine the first pick of a Cowboys draft coming out 131 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: of Western Illinois. I don't care what round it is. 132 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: I think the head coach was enamored with him. It happens. Yeah, 133 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: that's happened. Then coaches do get enamored pts. It does 134 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: happen there you got So you were at owners meeting 135 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: last week up until Thursday, and you were at the 136 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: pro day. And I'm sure you guys have talked about 137 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: that on your respective podcasts last week. But these pro 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: days do matter. Like Mickey said, Hey, if you don't 139 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: bring them in for a thirty visit, you have other 140 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: opportunities to see them. But a lot of people are 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: discussing the fact that Garrett went out to Alabama's and 142 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: with all the different names going around there. They keep 143 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: looking at that being the main guy, and then sub 144 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: you know, subtweets or whatever are saying that dron Payne 145 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: is one of the thirty visits. I like, where your 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: head's at. She's not bad, not bad, scounting them up. Hey, 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: that's what this time of year is all about. And 148 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, the pro days matter absolutely, and that's where 149 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: we were last week. You know, you want to get 150 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: a handle on these players, and that's what these coaches 151 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: and these scouts want to do too. This is really 152 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: happening now. I don't know how long I can keep going. 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean they've got like, what did I read, like 154 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: eighteen draftable players. Yeah, the head coach is gonna you know, 155 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: Dave I spoke about this on the round table that, yeah, 156 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: you're reading into this. I'm not because you're one. They 157 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: have never drafted Obama guy in the Garrett era. Now, 158 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: that's as much as they produce at the NFL level. 159 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: That's going to change at some point. How many times 160 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: in the Garrett era have they sent the whole house 161 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: to a school He has stopped by Alabama before. I 162 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: think it might have been twenty twelve on the way 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: home from the owners meetings. When you've got like this 164 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: many guys, you might as well go take a look. 165 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: And he's buddies with Saban. That's not a thing that 166 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: happens often. No, No, that was the primary denominator. And 167 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: going there, he's buddies with Saban, and he gets time 168 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: with Saban by himself, and he can pick his brain, 169 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: and that's probably more valuable than watching these guys do 170 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: their work. I know you're connecting the dots because of 171 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: Ohio State a couple of years ago, and it is 172 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: similar in that. Look, there's a ton of guys that 173 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: are get drafted out of this school. But I wouldn't 174 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: just Jerry Bosa was at Ohio State too, Bosa Zeke, 175 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: they had some guys right in their range. Yeah, I mean, 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: you'd be making a mistake if three weeks out from 177 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: the draft you're trying to draw a circle around any 178 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: one player. That's not how this works. But not only 179 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean, not only are they looking at these guys, 180 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: not only are they working them out, not only are 181 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: some of them thirty visits, but you I mean, if 182 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: you listen, you can hear very complimentary reports about all 183 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: like several of these high profile BANDA players. That's really 184 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: it's not so much well Garretts and Tuscaloosa that means 185 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna draft one of these guys. It's just it's 186 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: a combination of a lot of fact. I mean, there's 187 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: a lot of smoke that this that this front office 188 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: likes Calvin Ridley. You hear a lot about um Rashaan Evans, 189 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and you hear a lot about dron Pam. I mean 190 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: that's three guys, all of which that makes sense. At 191 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: nineteen they all kind of fit, they all kind of 192 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: anybody makes sense. At ninety three, well they pick at 193 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: eighty one, Well, whatever it is, I just think it out. Yeah. No, absolutely, 194 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it doesn't have to be a 195 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: first It absolutely doesn't have to be a first round pick. 196 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: But that's where you tend to spend, you know, the 197 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: most amount of your resources. Again, yes, they're bringing in 198 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: six and seventh round picks on these thirty visits. Most 199 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: of them are first round picks. I have vast majority 200 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: of them. A lot of guys names you recognize that. 201 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: I love all the specula and hearing you guys talk 202 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: about this because we've actually seen this happen so many times. 203 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Maky you brought in especially when 204 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: they bring in all these different guys. Two years ago, 205 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: they brought in i think all of the top quarterbacks 206 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: that was you know, Paxston, Lynch, Carson Wentz, Jared Goff 207 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: and then Dak Prescott was at the end, Jakobe percent 208 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: j Connor Cook was another name, and all of these 209 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: different guys that they brought in. Of course, when the 210 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: draft actually gets here, things change. It's it's rapid speed. 211 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: It's okay, yeah, Packiston, Lynch, Broncos. We got to move 212 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: on well, And that's that's what it's all about. It's 213 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: all I mean, it's it's like, you know, it's like 214 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: a shotgun. For lack of a better analogy, You're trying 215 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: to hit as many things as possible. You want to 216 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: have as good of an idea, as wide of a 217 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: net as you possibly can. That's why you know they're 218 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: not zeroing in on Calvin Ridley. But there's four guys 219 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: at Alabama that fit into that category. And that's why 220 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: you go look at and that's why they go through 221 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: scenarios leading up to the draft. If this guy's gone, 222 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: where will we go. They just kind of role play. 223 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: They have their own mock draft. Yeah. Yeah, And even 224 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: though the thirty day visits have started now, it does 225 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: not mean that they're done with free agency either, because 226 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: as we're seeing, there's still different talks about different guys visiting. 227 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: I think Coney Ely was one guy pointed out yesterday 228 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: the heck of a seguey till today. Yep, what'd you say? 229 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: Acquirement is three hundred and sixty five days? Yes, yes, 230 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: always always. So how does that play into it as well? Well, 231 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: I think it would eliminate It wouldn't eliminate pass rusher 232 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: as a need, but it covers themselves further if you know, 233 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: if you can sign him, if you can sign him, 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: And reportedly the Jets are interested in bringing back this 235 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: is a guy that the Cowboys have liked for a while, 236 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: I mean going back to maybe twenty fourteen. Cony Ely 237 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: was a thirty visit in his day, Yes, and I 238 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: believe the Cowboys put in acclaim for him last summer. 239 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: They did, and the Jets got him off waivers from 240 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots. So a guy who can fill a role 241 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: as a rotational pass rusher guy, and so maybe it's 242 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: not as much of a need, although I wouldn't. You know, 243 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: if you find a guy that can get to the 244 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft, you take him. I think he 245 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: was the dude. He was the dude at Missouri that 246 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: should have gotten all the attention at defensive end, but 247 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: it all went to Michael sam and Cony Ely was 248 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the best defensive end they had. He was the best 249 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: run stopper, pass rusher. I think the big problem for 250 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: him he wore the uncomfortable number of forty seven as 251 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: a defensive end. It's a bad and it made him 252 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: look short, wide and slow. Seven. It's give the kid 253 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: ninety three or something, you know. But he was the best, 254 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: the best one. He had an outstanding Cotton Bowl performance 255 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: against Oklahoma State, had a couple of sacks and I 256 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: had to go back and remind myself because I thought 257 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: I remembered this in the Super Bowl with Carolina against Denver. 258 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Check this out. He only had twenty three snaps in 259 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: the game. He had four tackles, two of them for losses, 260 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: three sacks, two quarterback hits, an interception, a pass defenced, 261 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery. So one of 262 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: his sacks was the Triple Crown, and I was reading 263 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: the story and said, had Carolina one, there was a 264 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: chance he might have been the most valuable player in 265 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: the game. He tied the NFL record for most sacks 266 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl. Darnell Dockett and somebody named Reggie 267 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: White were the other two. Only other two guys decent 268 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: sacks in a Super Bowl. So he's got fifteen for 269 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: his career in four seasons. But that's not counting a 270 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: pretty good Super Bowl effort, right, And you know, I 271 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: was reading also that Belichick kind of said, you know, 272 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was a good fit here, 273 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I used him in the 274 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: right fit. I think the talk up there was they 275 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: because they traded, they traded a second round pick, yeah, 276 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: and they wanted, you know, they want their guys to 277 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: be able to do everything, even prop and cover because 278 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: they're kind of that hybrid four three three four. Maybe yeah, 279 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: maybe he just wasn't a fit for them. He would. 280 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: He would be a classic Cowboys free agent pick up 281 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: across a variety of fronts. He's a former highly touted 282 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: draft guy who had saw his draft slip stock slip 283 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Jonathan Cooper comes to mind a few other guys they 284 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: brought in, and then he would be cheap and not 285 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: hard to get rid of if he doesn't live up 286 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: to what they want from him. Yeah, because he's probably 287 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: just looking for absolutely can I get a one year deal? 288 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely proved, but at at you know, if if he 289 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: lives up to what they want, he's a guy that's 290 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: perfectly capable of getting a handful of sacks. You know, 291 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: hearns fits that bill too, even though he was undrafted. 292 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: He's a guy that isn't costing them much. And two 293 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: years ago he was a thousand yard receiver. That's what 294 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're looking for cost friendly deals. I 295 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: shoul he was pretty darn good in college. I watched 296 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: him play a lot, and you know, he got some 297 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: starts in Carolina. I'm not sure exactly what happened. He 298 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: could Also, he's one of those guys that you know, 299 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: he's like two seventy five, so on third down he 300 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: can move inside. Also, Missouri used him inside sometimes because 301 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: they had Shane Ray and Michael Sam on the edge. 302 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: See it pays to have a Missouri grad on your show. 303 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: He's got the player exactly right. You've got the player 304 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: to scout him up. Do you like the player? I 305 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: like the player. I think I like his effort. 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They won't let him have a 357 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: phone in again later later check it later, so in 358 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: the sense that he is probably going to come back 359 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: with some actual detail of how is Tommy John's shirt 360 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: held up and it gust to Georgia. It's kind of 361 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: human out there, so yeah, he's gonna have some facts 362 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: for us. The only thing that makes me mad at 363 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: the door is that Brian and I had a wonderful 364 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: idea of dry fit button down shirts. That idea was 365 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: stolen from us by missing at Maine. Today. It was 366 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: seeing that Phil Mickelson is wearing visit at Maine shirt 367 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: he stole scout fits. No, no, no, no, we just 368 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: never told a new one. Yes, but it would have 369 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: been a great idea, would have everyone would have loved it, 370 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: all right, guys. Well, I did a little bit of 371 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: a first round draft research for you, guys, and I 372 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: want to ask you something. For the past five years, 373 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: the number nineteen pick in the first round has been 374 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Of course, last year it was O. J. 375 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Howard the tight end, but the past four years before that, 376 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: it was Ryan Kelly the center, Cameron Irving the center, 377 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: and then Juwan James I hope I pronounced that right 378 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And then of course Justin Pugh went to 379 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: the Giants and nineteen. So yes, the only reason I 380 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: looked at that into that was because everyone keeps saying that, oh, 381 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: they're going to go after the wide receiver, that's a 382 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: good spot for him. But if they do stay at nineteen, 383 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: because there's a speculation of trading and moving around there, 384 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: does it just seem natural that it would be an 385 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Again, I had Will Hernandez already and mocked 386 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: up for my nineteen selection last week in our two 387 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: cent mock and then I changed it when they went 388 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: out and signed two offensive linemen. So do you think 389 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: that made the big difference. I wouldn't discount them drafting 390 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: a guy that played guard or you know, tackle guard 391 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: who has some flexibility at some point in the draft. 392 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: But I think tay, they've they've pretty well covered themselves 393 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: with Marcus Martin and Cameron Fleming and with Lyle Collins 394 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: position flex I just don't see that as something they've 395 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: got to do now at nineteen. Beforehand, I would have said, yeah, 396 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 1: he's your best value, go get Hernandez, but I think 397 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: you could go elsewhere. Now this is the all encompassing 398 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: argument of what the Cowboys are supposed to do with 399 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: their pick. That's a that's a great statay, it is honest. 400 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're not get Quinton Nelson, who's universally 401 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: seen as you know, certainly the best guard, arguably the 402 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: best offensive lineman in the draft, but every other offensive 403 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: lineman is on the table. So you're gonna get you 404 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: could probably get the number one tackle. You'd get Mike 405 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: mcglinche had a Notre Dame. Maybe Connor Williams out of Texas. 406 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 1: Hernandez is one, Isaiah Wynn is one. James Daniels at 407 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: Iowa is one. That guy is gonna be there for you. 408 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: And honestly, as much as we talk about Calvin Ridley, 409 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: the first wide receiver in the draft hasn't fallen that 410 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: far in a long time. The closest it's come as 411 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Corey Coleman in twenty sixteen, I think, and he is 412 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: ready made to step in and play for somebody exactly 413 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: like Ridley. The thought of Calvin Ridley and then he 414 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: should be a top ten years, That's what I'm saying 415 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: he'd be. It will not surprise me if he goes 416 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: much higher than we'd continue to talk about. I mean, 417 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: I certainly think he's in the mix at nineteen, but 418 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: if he's gone by thirteen, I wouldn't be shocked. Which 419 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: is you know, again, it goes back to debate. The 420 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: two positions that seem like they make the most sense 421 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: for being there are offensive line and linebacker. Right, you 422 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: could draft a guard that's gonna play a hundred percent snaps. 423 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: You could play a linebacker who's going to be a 424 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: part of a platoon with Jalen Smith and Sean Lee 425 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: and certainly be a valuable member of your defense, but 426 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: probably not a day one, one hundred percent snap starter. 427 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: So what do you value more? And to your point 428 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate? But what I just said, they 429 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: signed those two guys on the O line to one 430 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: year deals, so you know you're not necessarily tied to 431 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: these guys long term. But I just look at it 432 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: and say, Cameron Fleming could step in and be your 433 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: right Tacklelile Collins could move to guard, vice versa, Marcus 434 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: Martin could be your left guard. I mean, they just 435 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: they've got some options now where they don't feel like 436 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: they've got to step in and drafted guard and play 437 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: him right away. Can you not find a quality offensive 438 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: lineman in the second and third round? So I'm not 439 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: sitting there going I use five first round picks on 440 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: my offensive line. You could five. Absolutely. Collins wasn't he was, 441 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: He didn't he cost like one, was getting paid like 442 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: one now he is. I completely hear what you're saying, 443 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: But what's the alternative? Well, if If I'm taking an 444 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: offensive line in the first round and I'm trading down, 445 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't want the guy before twenty five. If I 446 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: get to twenty five to thirty two, I can see 447 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: doing a Travis Frederick thing. Well it's worked for them though, 448 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: But I mean it's not like they've missed, like they 449 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: don't need anything else. That's not well, that's not the question. 450 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: That's what I agree. Lying there to be that much 451 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: better than another position? What is the alternative? What would 452 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: you prefer if there's another If there's a linebacker, Uh, 453 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: if there's uh the wide receiver. Uh, what about a 454 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: tight end? Somehow tight end has disappeared? Oh? J Howard, 455 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: that's a great position, Mick, because of the fact OJ 456 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Howard had six touchdowns. How many more years is Jason on? Me? Personally, 457 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: I think it's a waste of a first round pick 458 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: because I'm just I don't we just mail back this. 459 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not betting against Jason Witten. I'm just yeah, 460 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't either. I wouldn't go I wouldn't go second round. 461 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: Have security. I'm saying. I'm saying at some point he's 462 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: not gonna play seventeen or eighteen years at some point, 463 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: but at this Anthony Fasano, Martellis Bennets so many times 464 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you quit taking it. So that's like 465 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: telling Cleveland quit trying to draft a quarterback because you 466 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: can't do it. At some point. You gotta get it 467 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: right at some point. At some point, Jason Witten's not 468 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: going to play one hundred percent of the snaps, but 469 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: he does right now. And I just don't feel like 470 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: having that guy sit on the bench that want my 471 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: nineteenth overall pick to occasionally come in in twelve and thirteen. 472 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: That isn't going to happen this year. Yeah, have you 473 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: seen a tight end in the draft that you like, 474 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Mick that you're there's a bunch out there. I just 475 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: go up the road three hours and okay, what about 476 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: the guys they have? I like, Jeff sin't gonna be gone, 477 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin, Rico gathers with Hannah's on his last year, 478 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: James in his last year. I don't know about Rico, 479 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: we don't know, but they they've invested some development time 480 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: in him. I agree with everything you just said, but 481 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: nobody's nobody's taking over for Jason Witten. While he's still 482 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: on the team. That didn't say take over, but you 483 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: can share snaps. I'll believe that. One I say, if 484 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: you need a tight end to get down the field, 485 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: I will believe somebody's Jason Witten is gonna share snaps 486 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: with somebody when I see it. I'm with David. So, Mick, 487 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: you're saying, and if they stay at nineteen, you would 488 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: be more comfortable with them drafting at tight end over 489 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: a guard or an offensive tackle. Yeah, yea, yeah, I understand. 490 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't use all my resources in one spot. 491 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: Do you realize this team one three super Bowls? Three 492 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with an offensive line, and the highest draft 493 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: pick was a second rounder. Yeah, and that wasn't until 494 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: ninety four. They won the first two with just guys. Yeah, okay, 495 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: it's pretty badass. Yeah, and it's what I'm saying. So, 496 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: do you have to have a first round pick at 497 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: every position on the offensive wound? Well, they live too, 498 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: but you want your line to be badass as as 499 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: many ass. But you get you're not going to be 500 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: able to afford them all. Look, I just I just said. 501 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: I just said. Though they've they've devoted some free agent 502 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: money to fix it that way, and I'd be surprised 503 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: if they if they drafted a guard in the first round. 504 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: But I will say this, we keep talking on the 505 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: show for weeks now. The offensive line was not what 506 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: it's been. Yeah, and this team is built around the 507 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: running game and protecting Dak and having a badass offensive line, 508 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: and they need to make sure that that stays the same. Now. 509 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: They don't need a bas offensive lineman. They need somebody 510 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: incredible so much back up Tyran Smith, so one guy 511 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: who can't play in that game doesn't screw up the 512 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: whole OFFENSEI I just look at it like this, y'all, 513 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not I would prefer not to draft a 514 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: guard either. But you're picking nineteen. You don't have your 515 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: pick of the litter. I just laid it out for you. 516 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: I honestly, at the end of the day, i'd be 517 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: surprised if Calvin Ridley's there. You're bait. I think you're 518 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: probably using between a guard a linebacker. It would be 519 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: great if an edge rusher was there for you, maybe 520 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, but like, it's not gonna be this 521 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: plethora of amazing options like guaranteed one hundred percent starters. 522 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: So linebacker who's gonna play forty percent of the snaps, 523 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: edge rusher or defensive tackle who's going to rotate, or 524 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: a guard who's gonna play all twelve hundred snaps of 525 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: the season. I mean, I can at least see the logic. 526 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: Can I find that guy in the second round? Maybe? 527 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: But what if he's the best guy available for you 528 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: at nineteen? Yeah, trade trading down and I'll take. Trading 529 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: down is easy to say. It's harder to do. Yeah, 530 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: I understand that. See. The thing I like about this 531 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: discussion is because you know, everyone knows what the Cowboys 532 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: have done with their offensive line going after so many 533 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: first rounders, But there are other teams in this National 534 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Football leagu who are doing the opposite. I mean, I 535 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: think the Panthers are one. A couple of years ago, 536 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: they've kept drafting just defensive lineman, defensive lineman, defensive lineman, 537 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: going after high draft picks, and it helped it got 538 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: him to the Super Bowl. Now, of course he was right. 539 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: Then you have to start paying these guys and you 540 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: have to start keeping them around, and that's where you 541 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: can kind of hurt yourself. So I think maybe they've 542 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: realized that with the offensive line going after these free agents. Yeah, 543 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: I mean there's Miggy is right, There's only so many 544 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: resources you can devote. I mean, you know, they just 545 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: paid what de Marcus Lawrence seventeen million dollars. Le Collins 546 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: got an extension last year. So yeah, I mean Jonathan 547 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 1: Cooper was a low cost guy to try to fill in. 548 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: But you gotta still find a solid guy, yeah, you know, 549 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: and so hopefully Marcus Martin or Cameron Fleming can be 550 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: that guy. We can debate about Laole Collins moving back inside. 551 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to happen or not. 552 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: They say they're gonna let it play out, but Cameron 553 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: Fleming looks like a guy who can slide at that 554 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: right tackle spot too. I don't know, we'll see, but 555 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: I think they've they've found a way to maybe find 556 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: production without spending too much, and that's what you want, 557 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: right Well, they've had a history of finding offensive lineman 558 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: in the second round that we're able to start a 559 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: guard and then move the tackle. Who Larry Allen thet 560 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: one ever Clozell, Adam Clozelle, Larry Allen, Yeah, Solomon Page. 561 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: Now Larry came in as a guard, but they had 562 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: to move him to tackle because of injury, and then 563 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: he moved back inside. I just think you can find 564 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: that guy in the second or third round. Uh and 565 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: if there's somebody better there, then yeah, let me let 566 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: me have it. Let me there's got to be somebody. 567 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: I will say. They've tried drafting in the third round lineman. 568 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: They got David Arkin. That didn't work out. So Chad's Green, 569 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: Jazz Green. I mean, you know, they haven't given up 570 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: on him. He is still here. Now. I'm glad that 571 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: we brought up the free agency tracker and talking about 572 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: Coney Elle and all those guys, But there are only 573 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: two guys left that are free agents for the Cowboys 574 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: that nothing has really happened with them, and that's Byronbell 575 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: and Alfred Morris. Of course, Byron Bell, I think, you know, 576 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: like you were talking about, that's that's moving on. They 577 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: found his replacement. They found his replacement. But Alfred Morris 578 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: is one that I think could still kind of be 579 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: up in the air. What do you guys think? I 580 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: think the boy's third running back is going to hear 581 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: his name called next month or not that? Wow, not 582 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: next month or three weeks away. Yeah, Saturday afternoon. It 583 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: is April Saturday afternoon, somewhere between one and three o'clock. 584 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys select, take your pick. You just need 585 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: to get younger there, younger and faster, and that's I 586 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: think that's the goal. There's a Rod Smith figures in 587 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: though we probably he's probably your backup, right young young 588 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: man at a North Carolina state. Certainly, Yes, he's drawing 589 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot of interest on Naheim Hinz, so that's a 590 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on. But I mean this 591 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: is a loaded, loaded running back class, so I mean 592 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: they should have their pick. And I don't know why 593 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: you would bring Alfred Morris back at this point. I 594 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: feel bad for him because he could have been the 595 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: guy if they had opted to say draft Jalen Ramsey, 596 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: like who knows how his career in Dallas would have 597 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: panned out. But obviously they went the other way. And 598 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: I said it a million times last year. He's just 599 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: kind of a redundant running back. When you consider you 600 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: have a Zeke, you're thrown out Hines as a guy, 601 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: a younger guy, more versatile, just as an example kind 602 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: of your lance dunbar type guy who could be a 603 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: little bit of a change of pace guy. Maybe you 604 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: know the unfortunate thing what Alfred Morris is. He's one 605 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: of those guys where you have him, yeah, but then 606 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: you're always looking for something better, right, You're never quite satisfied. 607 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: You know. It's like that quarterback that, yeah, I could 608 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: start him, but every year I'm looking to replace him, 609 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: and I think, unfortunately for Alfred Morris, that's who he is. Which, yeah, 610 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, But I would have thought 611 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: Alfred could get a job before Bryce Butler, who he 612 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: saw Bryce signed with the Cardinals to your Neil, But 613 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: you don't know what Bryce signed for yet, No I don't. 614 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: But he got another job. Some people saying Marcus Martin 615 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: got a job. Alfred's probably gonna have to wait until 616 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: hopefully not training camp. But nobody gets hurt because because 617 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: what you just said is what a lot of teams 618 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: are probably thinking. We could find a younger option in 619 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: the draft and see what happens. And it couldn't happen 620 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: to a better guy. Though he is always awesome to 621 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: everyone here, oh he is. He is nothing against him whatsoever. 622 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: He was great to be on this team. It is 623 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: a good team guy. Hard position, I mean obvious, like 624 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: the actual act of playing running back is hard, but 625 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: it is hard to be a running back in today's 626 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: NFL because, okay, this might be this might be longer 627 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: than a five minute conversation, but before we get to 628 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: break a lot of people are very interested in the 629 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: fact that all of you guys in your mock draft 630 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: put a quarterback coming to the Cowboys. I think that 631 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: goes without saying. But anytime you draft a quarterback, because 632 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: the last one was obviously Dak Prescott, what do you 633 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: think they have to do to get that solid back 634 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: up here. Well, sometimes the front office makes this stuff 635 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: really easy for us, you know, like sometimes you have 636 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: to have private conversations and work the phone lines and 637 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: get whatever nugget you can. And then sometimes Jerry Jones 638 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: just goes, we want to add another quarterback to the 639 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: roster and we don't want to veteran. So what does 640 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: that mean. It means they got a draft guy or 641 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe sign a priority free agent. But they've been doing 642 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: their homework on quarterbacks. I mean not the not the 643 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 1: Darnolds and the Rosins of the world, but they've been 644 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: out there looking at these day three guys, Letta, the 645 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: kid from Richmond, Mike White, the kid from Western Kentucky, UM, 646 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: handful of other guys. I just whether it's a you know, 647 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if it happened before the fifth round 648 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: of the draft, but fifth, sixth, seventh round, or maybe 649 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: a priority free agent. I absolutely think they're gonna go 650 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: thinking Alex Horneybrook. Where is he in the draft? Wisconsin? Yeah, 651 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean like that pick pick a name among the 652 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: guys in the bottom of the draft. Loletta yea Richmond. Yeah, 653 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: he was the guy at the end of the Senior 654 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: Bowl that Yeah, yeah, he did Senior Bowl, Mick. I 655 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: can see the correlation you're making. Their gears are turning. 656 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: The gears are turning. He looked awfully good to me. No, 657 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: he certainly did prospect to work with. But that's what 658 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: they need right there. Yeah, they're not looking for a starter, 659 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: They're looking for kind of the thing. And about Cooper Rush, well, 660 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: you gotta I think he has to be challenged. Yeah, 661 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't just think you assume he's the backup. Showers 662 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: was a perfect example of that. I apologize, you're fine. 663 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: I the thing that it made and Cooper Rush is great. 664 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: He had a phenomenal preseason. I get that, but like 665 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. I mean, Dak's only in his third year, 666 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Cooper's now entering his second, and they're just like, yeah, 667 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: like we're we're good in terms of like, you know, 668 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: if Dak, if something happens to Dak, like yeah, I 669 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: just put Cooper in there because yeah, because what did 670 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: we say last year or two years ago about hey, 671 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: it was so good to have Mark Sanchez's sounding board 672 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: for Kellen Moore. They're going young, it looks like available. 673 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: I guess Kelly Moore still fits that role in terms 674 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: of being able to coach him, but it wouldn't have 675 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: surprised me if they wanted like a veteran, a Kyle 676 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: Orton type who can come in and spots start for 677 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: two or three weeks. But they're just like, ah, we're good. 678 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: I feel like the QB talk the really heats up 679 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: closer to training camp because then it's you see that 680 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: Dak's not going to be participating every day and you're like, well, 681 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: these receivers don't look good. What do you mean by that? 682 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: Veteran days and things like that, you can get no 683 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: veteran days. You don't think he qualifies for a veteran. Absolutely, 684 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: not all Absolutely, Zinka is a different entity unto himself. 685 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, has anybody ever like got fired as an 686 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: assistant coach and then they signed a measure backup quarterback 687 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: in the middle of the season. No, but that would 688 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: be awesome. I wouldn't. I could only see that happening. 689 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. Absolutely. Well, let's take our last break. 690 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: When we come back, we will have Rob's Twitter pool 691 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: and so much more and more. Brian brought us impressions. 692 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: I know you guys want more of it, so stay tuned. 693 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: Not doing enough. Cowboys fans know that the second best 694 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,959 Speaker 1: of anything simply won't cut it, and your skincare should 695 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: be no different. 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I hear all this 713 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: talk about what it takes to be a cowboy. Everyone's 714 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 1: got their ideas, but I just say to myself, it's 715 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: what's up top that matters. Sure, you need men with 716 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: the muscle and heart to get her done. But if 717 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: your scouts and coaches are listening out there a word 718 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: of advice. Pick them in with the most well worn stetson. 719 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: That's the one most cut out to be a cowboy. 720 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: Stetson hats are handmade right here in Texas and have 721 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: been on Cowboys heads for over one hundred fifty years. 722 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: The rest of You can visit stetson dot com slash 723 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: cowboy to find a retailer nearest you. What does it 724 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: mean to be a Dallas Cowboys fan? It means you've 725 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: got the passion in the heart to do your part 726 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: supporting the Boys no matter what. That's why when the 727 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: game's on the line, you're on your feet, whether you're 728 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: at home or in the stands. Actually, you're more than 729 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: a fan. You are a member of Cowboys Nation, and 730 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: so is AT and T doing their part to keep 731 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: you connected to America's team all season. Law AT and 732 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: T is a proud member of Cowboys Nation. This is 733 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: talking Cowboys. We might have changed locations, but we haven't 734 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: changed our favorite pizza. It's still Papa John's, Dame. Do 735 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: you know that? Tell me about it, Nick, Well, you 736 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: know the reason why Papa John's tastes so great are 737 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: the ingredients you've heard about, pepperoni, pepperoni and the fresh vegetables. 738 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: That's right. The vegetables are tasty right, never frozen, never cut. 739 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: They come to Papa fresh. The pepperoni's you asked approve. 740 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 1: And when you have ingredients like that, you have better pizza, 741 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: and you better order Papa John, tell you when we're 742 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: done doing eighteen straight hours of the draft. Over here 743 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: in the studio, I'm gonna punish a few slices of 744 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: Papa John's myself, Papa John's permented cheese, sandwiches, chips, all 745 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: Brian's worried about. Oh, I just want to know when 746 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: the crawfish boiled. No, he does not eat the no, no, no, 747 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,720 Speaker 1: he does not doesn't take bathrom row bathroom. The food 748 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: is actually a distraction. Brian's all about I figured this out. 749 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: He's all about the feats of strength. That's what you know. 750 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: If you're familiar with Seinfeld, you should know what I'm 751 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: talking about, Like driving an hour if he see if 752 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: he can go eighteen hours without taking a bathroom break, 753 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: or drive ten hours straight through the middle of the night, 754 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: like anything he can do to prove to you how 755 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: tough he is. That that podcast studio becomes NASA. Who's 756 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: going to do it? Oh? Yeah, serious business? Yeah all right? 757 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: Well serious business is your Twitter poll And I enjoyed 758 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: it yesterday. I voted, so I'm curious to see what 759 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: these guys have to say. I'm sure keep got on voting. 760 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: I did no way, I just did. Oh good, I 761 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: didn't see your I even looked for it. Oh good. Okay, Well, 762 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: this one's pretty easy. I listed four of their I 763 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: think five free agent signings. They've also traded for a fullback, 764 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: gol of Wally. But which of these f count well, 765 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: I didn't mention him here, mentioned him here? Which of 766 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: these four free agent signings will have the most impact? 767 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming, Alan Hearns, Marcus Martin or Joe Thomas the linebacker. 768 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: I already know that Alan Hearns won this poll. Yeah 769 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: he did, he did, But I think it's any one 770 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: by a pretty good margin sixty two. But I do 771 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: think Cameron Fleming and Marcus Martin, one of those two 772 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: has a good chance to start for this team. Yeah, 773 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: no love for Marcus Martin. Huh, everybody's the only one. 774 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: Zap Twitter World didn't really, Brian, Brian's a big you're 775 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: a big fan of Marcus Martin. I'm not gonna go 776 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: as far as you got the players exactly right. No, 777 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: the player. No, I mean, I'm not gonna go as 778 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: far as I say. I'm a big fan, but I 779 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: would like to think this guy can at least compete 780 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: for the starting job. I mean, we don't have to 781 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: get all into it right now, but I really hate 782 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: the idea of moving Lyle out of his position. So 783 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: I hope for his sake Marcus Martin can put up 784 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: a fight, which and maybe not at nineteen Mick, but 785 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 1: I would love it if these guys draft a guard 786 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: in the first three rounds to keep me from having 787 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: to play musical chairs with my offense. I am absolutely 788 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 1: with you on that. Not expecting that, I think I'm 789 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: just going to agree here. A guy that radio to 790 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: have the biggest impact, I don't know if he will, 791 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: but the guy that needs to have the biggest impact 792 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: is Cameron Fleming. So that's how you've heard it for yes, okay, yeah, 793 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: because it was necessary necessarily at starting right tackle, but 794 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: if he ends up being the backup tackle, swing tackle, 795 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: then he better be able to play. Can't go through 796 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: again what they did last year in the final eight 797 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: games of the season. Just can't do it. Hearns is 798 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: the easy choice on this poll. But if Dez Bryant 799 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: is back, and the Joneses refused to have any intimations 800 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: to say he won't be back, although they need to 801 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: talk to him about his contract, apparently. Then there's only 802 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: so many passes that are gonna go around on this offense. 803 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: And they like Hearns. But if Dez is back, I 804 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: don't see him putting up huge numbers. Now you're talking 805 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: about one of these two offensive lineman being a starter 806 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: for you, But well, what makes you sure he makes 807 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: you think he would put up He had thirty nine 808 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: catches last year. He was hurt too, He was hurt. Okay, yeah, 809 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: well does was hurt too? Dez didn't miss any games? Yeah, yeah, 810 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: but he played through some stuff. I mean difference between 811 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: playing through some stuff and missing half the season. Well, 812 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: he only missed five games. Think he missed six six 813 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: maybe it was it was five he played, he missed, 814 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: he missed six. He played ten hess with you on 815 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: one point and argues with you gotta take what you 816 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: can get. I think Herns was just the biggest name 817 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: that was in free agency, and anyone who just sees that, 818 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, Alan Hearns. I don't think it's a 819 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: bad answer, though, I mean, like he's he's got a start, 820 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: right I Actually, I mean I'd be curious for y'all 821 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: thoughts on this. I'm actually writing about it. Right now, beautiful, 822 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: We'll help you out. I'm I'm baffled, all right. Assumed 823 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: des is on the team, which maybe not the it's 824 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: not a one hundred percent safe assumption in my opinion, 825 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: But let's just assume he is de What were you 826 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: playing these guys? Is basically what I want to know. 827 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: He's fair, Hearns can play in the slot. You could 828 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: play des and Terrence on the outside with Hearns on 829 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: the slot. You could play Dez and Hearns on the 830 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: outside with Beasley in the slot. There's nothing wrong with it. 831 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: But basically, what I'm trying to say is, as the 832 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver corps is currently constructed, a guy that you're 833 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: paying a decent amount of money too is not getting 834 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: on the field. If you're not paying him that much money. 835 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,280 Speaker 1: You paying him six million this year? Oh, his cap 836 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: charges like four point three million dollars. I consider that 837 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: to be a lot of money. Well, Stephen Jones said 838 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: at the car he did sing over veteran minimum. All right, Well, 839 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: if we're gonna do that, then if Dez is on 840 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: the team, you're paying him twelve and a half million, 841 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: he's on right, That's that's my Arns Williams guaranteed contract 842 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: is four three and a half. His cap hits four. 843 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: Beasley's cap hit his three and a quarter. That's a guy. 844 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: Let's not look at Austin. That's that's what it's all about. Well, 845 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: then you're gonna play five wide. That's that's a point. 846 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,959 Speaker 1: You're sitting somebody who's making a lot of money. Who's 847 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: it gonna be? Who are you gonna pay to not play? 848 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: That's my point. Miss Butler didn't hardly get paid and 849 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: he started taking snaps away from Terrence Williams. So why 850 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: can't Hearns take snaps away from Terrence Williams just be 851 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: I mean he might he might, just might have more 852 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: touchdowns than Terrence Williams had last year. You wouldn't be 853 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: hard Is that a shot everybody? But can he play 854 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 1: Terrence's spot or is he more of an X? I 855 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: think he's an outside guy. If I paid him that 856 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: much money, why he better be able to play all three? 857 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: I just and at the end of the day, it 858 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: comes down to who can produce. But the salary cap 859 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: is everything in the modern NFL. You want to use 860 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: it as efficiently as possible. And the way it's set 861 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 1: up right now, somebody that you're paying a fairly sizable 862 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: salary to is just not going to be able to 863 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: get on the field. Sizeable. Four point three millions not sizeable, 864 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: that's just seems size What do you have to seem 865 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: not the minimum? Need to get off? You need to 866 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: get off? What was dix million? Because a lot of 867 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: that has to do with bonus money on the forty 868 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: six man ross. What was your number four receiver making 869 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: last year? He's making about eight number what your number 870 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: four receiver he was making eight hundred thousand dollars? He's 871 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: making basically vet minimum? Okay, number four million dollars. How 872 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: did that receiving corps do last year? They weren't very 873 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: You got what you paid for. Yeah, you could argue 874 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: Bryce actually outperformed or not outperformed, But Bryce, Bryce was 875 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: not the problem with the production there. It was your 876 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: first three guys who were making all this money who 877 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: weren't producing. You're not looking to Bryce to catch forty 878 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: to sixty passes, okay, And so your top three guys 879 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: and then your next two didn't get paid much and 880 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: they didn't give you much. I don't care about Ryan 881 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: Switzer and Noah Brown. They're on day three round contracts. 882 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: All right. Even mentioned Ryan Switzer, So Bryan so Butler 883 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: was number four, right, Okay, And we're talking about receivers. 884 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: That's my point. At some point Deonte Thompson is making 885 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: about what you would want to pay your number four 886 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: receiver and he's like the number six receiver on this team. 887 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: That's my point. It's all out of whacky. Number five, 888 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: you're it's all out of whack. Is the only point 889 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make. I just think you you bring 890 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,919 Speaker 1: guys in and you let him compete. You do can't 891 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: sit there money and say this was the price of 892 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 1: doing business right to get that? Why godfather too, that's 893 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: what you have to pay. This is very true because 894 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: look at it the past couple of years. You've seen 895 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: that these receivers. How many they had six or seven 896 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: receivers going into training camp last year. Somebody gets hurt. 897 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: There's always somebody that gets hurt. I hate to say this. 898 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: I never wish injuries on one's already hurt. It's just true. 899 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: It's injuries. It's a very hard position to not sustain 900 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 1: injuries at and then you have guys like Mickey said, 901 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: who just suddenly outperform somebody else, and you're like, where 902 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: did Lucky White had come from? I just thought that 903 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: guy had red tips at the end of it. And 904 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: to go on with what Taylor just said, if they 905 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: don't sign like Alan Hearns, all right, and just go 906 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: into this what they had des gets hurt, misses five games, 907 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: who's taken a spot Alan Hunts. No, I'm saying no, 908 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: Alan Hurns, preferably a rookie. You had to have. Yeah, 909 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: I mean it would have been on that rookie. It 910 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: would have been Bryce if he catches, it would have 911 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: been Bryce if he was resigned. And are you comfortable 912 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: with that? Well, they did it the last two years, 913 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: but he but you had to you weren't going to 914 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: resign him. He wasn't coming back. Yeah. My only point is, 915 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: so you had to have somebody else that can play 916 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,280 Speaker 1: on the outside. Right, Terrence Williams is a number two receiver. 917 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: He's not going to be a number one receiver. If 918 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: they draft a wide receiver, which I think there's a 919 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: very good chance that they will, something's going to have 920 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,680 Speaker 1: to give. That's the point I'm trying to make. Well, Yeah, 921 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: and you know, let and worry about that after you 922 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: get your talent, sit there and go, I can't do 923 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: this because I've got that. Look, we're doing the same 924 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: thing that they did two years ago. I hate to 925 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: keep bringing this up, but with running backs, they signed 926 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris. He was a bigger free agent signing. They 927 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: had just gone after Darren McFadden the year before. And 928 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, as Mickey saying, you kind of collected all 929 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: these guys, Okay, we have Everyone was saying, man, no 930 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: other team has a plethora of running backs like the 931 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: Cowboys do. It came in handy this past year. It 932 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: sure did. And this is the essence of Dak friendly, right. 933 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, they're talking about trying to find guys that 934 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: can help him out run the right routes, being the 935 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: right spot make plays. So it is about competition. That's 936 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: the word I kept hearing last week in Florida, from Garrett, 937 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: from Stephen, from Jerry. But to Dave's point, it is 938 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: a log jam right now. And we're also talking about 939 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: trying to potentially draft a guy. Let them sort it out. 940 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: Well something we'll have to give it. Let them sort 941 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, yeah, I bet. I mean you're talking, 942 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about banking on two wide receivers you signed 943 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 1: in free agency that their teams didn't want they signed. 944 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: Jacksonville had to sign three wide receivers and they did 945 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: not choose to resign Alan Herns. Never feel like it's 946 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 1: choosing thom Mac. I feel like there are other things 947 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600 Speaker 1: that go into it. Yeah, but like I pay in 948 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: different things. I mean, I always go but you say that, 949 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: and then I always go back to Anthony Hitchins. The 950 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 1: Cowboys Hitchens, they Mark, they paid Marquis lead and they 951 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: resigned two of their other way. They liked Turns enough 952 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,120 Speaker 1: to give him an extension, and the extension the reason why. 953 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: And they paid them too much. I mean, the Cowboys 954 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: are paying death too much right now. That's the whole point. Like, 955 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: it's not about whether or not he's a good player. Again, 956 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: it all goes back to the salary cap and whether 957 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 1: you can afford it. You know, when you pay guys 958 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: to produce it the way when you pay when you 959 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: pay that money. But we never look at it the 960 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: other way. Right, guy out performs his salary and we 961 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: don't sit here and bang the drum. Hey, you've got 962 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,399 Speaker 1: to give that guy a raise. Sure, we do he's 963 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: got two years left on his contract, pay him more. No, No, 964 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: one says that it's always reducing somebody's contract. Sometimes it's 965 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: the price of doing business in this league. Yeah, Now 966 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: if the guy's terrible, if he's terrible, is the place 967 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: was not terrible. It is the price of doing business. 968 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: And that's why good players wind up on the open market. 969 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: Make that's why there every year it happens. Every se 970 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: can play a little bit, ser can play. Yeah, it's 971 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,879 Speaker 1: a cap thing. Let's see. Well, it's funny because you're 972 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: just talking about how, you know, the Super Bowl teams 973 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: had these offensive linemen that were underpaid necessarily because of 974 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: the fact that they were showing up doing these things. 975 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: Nate Newton a great example here, And yeah, but there 976 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: was no salary cap back then. So then does it 977 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: come back to Dave's point of the seller cap. No, 978 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that no salary cap back exactly. It's 979 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: a different game. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta factor all that 980 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: stuff in and if you want to use it efficient 981 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: as efficiently as possible. I wouldn't want to pay thirty 982 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: million dollars to my receiver group, especially if one or 983 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: two of them is not going to be playing, and 984 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: especially if this is a running team, great running team, 985 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: A lot here toime. I mean, it just seems like, 986 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,799 Speaker 1: how well you have a passing game and I want 987 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: to see how well you're running game? No, No, I 988 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: think you need to have it without that clearly last year. Yeah, 989 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,879 Speaker 1: but you know, back all the way back to Mickey 990 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,799 Speaker 1: bringing up a tight end at number nineteen, you bring 991 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: into a tight end that could help kind of be 992 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: that half passing tight end. Even though it's not as 993 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: much you know out there as you see it, it's hurt. 994 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm because of what Dave just said about all 995 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: these receivers. And yes, it's got to sort itself out, 996 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: but I'm okay at this point with rolling with the 997 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: young tight ends I have. And if you find one 998 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: of the draft, fine, But when Jason went and decides 999 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: to hang it up, then I worry about finding his 1000 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: replacement because you've got enough to worry about figuring out 1001 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: this other log jam in the past. What's the other 1002 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,240 Speaker 1: So what's the figure out? You've got all the pieces 1003 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position, you got too many pieces 1004 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 1: as well, okay, so there's not so let that figure 1005 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: itself out. I'm just saying, drafting a tight end high 1006 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,720 Speaker 1: goes down, who's your starting tight end? That's literally never happened. 1007 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: This was going to be the Simas One game. It's 1008 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: going to be the sixteenth year. I'm I'm bad. I'm 1009 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: just saying, go ahead, Yeah, but I'm just saying, do 1010 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: you want Jeff Sway out there for forty snaps? I 1011 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: it's not that I don't think they need a tight end. 1012 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 1: I just don't trust them to use him. Gavin Escobar 1013 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: wasted away on this roster for four years. How's he 1014 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: doing right now? I have no idea about already had 1015 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good career. They liked him enough to have 1016 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: been the top fifty. We didn't wasn't very good here though, 1017 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: probably Anthony Fossano. We can go down the line of 1018 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 1: second round. They they changed what they were looking for 1019 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: in the tight end after they drafted Fossano. Fasano was 1020 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,239 Speaker 1: Bill Parcels, and then when they changed the I think 1021 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: I think here he didn't fit what they If Witton 1022 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: went down and that happened quickly, hopefully knock on wood, 1023 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: it would be before the trade deadline. Of course, you 1024 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 1: can never figure that out. The Cowboys would do anything 1025 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: they could go get a big tight end in trades 1026 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: they did that went down exactly, so that kind of 1027 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: stuff like Matt castled, those big needs. I feel like 1028 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240 Speaker 1: they don't even want to think about it until it happens, 1029 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: and then when it happens, they're going to do crazy things. 1030 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: You should always have the draft. You should always be 1031 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: thinking two or three years in advance with the draft. 1032 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: I will make a very rare exception for the all 1033 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,439 Speaker 1: time leader in seasons accrued for the Cowboys who hasn't 1034 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: missed the snaps since he was a rookie. I've just 1035 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to worry about it until he's gone, 1036 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: because otherwise you're using a valuable draft pick on a 1037 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 1: guy who's never going to play, who also plays ninety 1038 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: nine point one percent of the snaps as he did 1039 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: let he doesn't come off the field, and I don't 1040 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: see how that's changing this year. I just think you'd 1041 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,959 Speaker 1: better prepare for the future. Okay, if you have the victor, 1042 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: I could feel more comfortable than preparing at quarterback and 1043 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: doing that right now. Prepare for the future at any 1044 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: other position, and then wait for eighty two to decide 1045 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,280 Speaker 1: to retire and worry about it. Then they already worried 1046 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: about the fullback, which I appreciate. This team just beam 1047 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: concerned about the full thing. They did fullback Garrett thing. Ever. Yeah, 1048 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 1: but that's just what's funny is that tight ends. You know, 1049 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: even when people are saying, oh, they're going away of course, 1050 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: gronk Reevolutionari. You know, it's just hilarious to me. But 1051 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,959 Speaker 1: and Mick, I think it's all fair. I just would 1052 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,399 Speaker 1: rather them do that at other positions. First, can't have everything, Mick, Well, 1053 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: you want everything on the offensive line. No, I'm gonna 1054 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 1: drive guy in the first said they don't have to 1055 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,440 Speaker 1: do that. Oh okay. I just want you to keep 1056 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,320 Speaker 1: an open mind, Mick. Just my mom, players watch this tape. 1057 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 1: Tell me best option, Keep your options open, keep your 1058 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: mind open. My mind is open. I can find that 1059 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,840 Speaker 1: guy in the second round. This sounds like the Cowboys, 1060 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, other than Zach Martin. Yeah, think about it. 1061 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,359 Speaker 1: How far back do you have to go to find 1062 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: another guard drafted in the first round. It happens all 1063 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: the time, said the Cowboys. Oh anything, I thought history, 1064 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: he said, he got to look at history, not win 1065 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: an argument with making your learning this. He will outshout 1066 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: you will do it. He will shout you down. Yeah, 1067 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: well I just asked the question. That's all the thing is. 1068 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: We just wrote Mickey's calumn for him. I know you 1069 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 1: were looking for out, but making's call him. It's fine. 1070 00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: Why the Cowboys don't need to draft another officer? I 1071 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: hate the offensive line. Yeah, it's already written. You didn't 1072 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: read last Friday out of town. I was in New Mexico. 1073 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 1: Ryan never doesn't go too We never read your columns. 1074 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: I don't make fun of Missouri, but he continues to 1075 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 1: watch in Mexico. Point you know, said you were out 1076 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 1: of town. You couldn't get, you couldn't read. She had 1077 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: better stuff to do this Holliday week columns. Holidays on 1078 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: a hot air balloon. All right, well, thanks for everyone 1079 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: joining us. Yes, Brian brought us too much fun. We're 1080 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: almost done, but we were going to leave a little 1081 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: bit for Brian brought us recap of today. When you 1082 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: think about Dave's performance, really appreciate you got it absolutely right. 1083 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you watch this show, I do you know? 1084 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: You know what we talk about here. You know Mickey's 1085 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: a pain in the ass. You know, Rob great pole 1086 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: for today. I thought, I thought we had a lot 1087 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: of fun. Thought. We looked into what we can expect 1088 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,400 Speaker 1: from these players from this draft. Investigate, Educate, Investigate and educate. 1089 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,439 Speaker 1: Draft Show'll be back Thursday. When when when I get 1090 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,120 Speaker 1: back from Augusta. Even though I'm here, I don't know. 1091 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,279 Speaker 1: It's kind of a paradox. Brian would never say the 1092 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: word paradox is not smart enough. Uh, just a lot 1093 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 1: of fun here. Thank thanks for having me. Yeah, well, 1094 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: I like the talk between you and me. No, yeah, 1095 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: And you know, Mickey, it's it's no hard feeling, you know, 1096 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,719 Speaker 1: it's it's just what we do. It's good radio. It's 1097 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: good radio, doing radio. Okay though, doing radio, watching Gabe, well, thanks, Kank, Garrison, 1098 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: Dave Earnest, everyone in the studio who made today happen, 1099 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: even when we had to have a little we are 1100 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 1: not We're probably going to be back in our podcast. 1101 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: This is it, Nick one and done one and done 1102 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: fine with me to be all right? Thanks all right 1103 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: though there then, but okay, now all right, thanks for 1104 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: watching though, bye bye. 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