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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: We live in such a world of social media that

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Speaker 2: if nobody on social is talking about it, if it's

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Speaker 2: not out there and celebrities are not experiencing it verbally

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Speaker 2: or outwardly, I start to feel like I'm a lone

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Speaker 2: wolf and oh my god, it's just me. I'm the

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Speaker 2: only one who's baby's not doing this. I'm the only

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Speaker 2: one who's feeling tired. I'm the only one who's breast

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Speaker 2: itch and hurt. I'm the only one. And if I

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Speaker 2: start to feel like the only one, I'm destined to

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Speaker 2: fall into depression and anxiety. And so to avoid that,

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Speaker 2: we need to give the language to people so they

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provides you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 3: You welcome to Cultivating her Space a podcast dedicated to uplifting.

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Speaker 2: Women like you.

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Speaker 3: We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 4: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 4: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 4: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from

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Speaker 4: five roids to fake friends, and create a safe space

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Speaker 4: where black women can just be.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing from.

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Speaker 4: You, lady, Whether you're a mom or not, I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that you know a mother that you value and appreciate,

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Speaker 4: and today's conversation is extremely important for mothers and those

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Speaker 4: who love mothers. The fourth trimester of a new mother's

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Speaker 4: journey is one of the most critical phases of motherhood

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Speaker 4: and with that understanding Fourth Phase. After Birth boxes were

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Speaker 4: conceived to support and unify mothers across the world during

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Speaker 4: the time in their lives when their bodies and spirits

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Speaker 4: are most delicate after childbirth. During the twenty twenty pandemic,

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Speaker 4: Nana and Marcia merged minds and began working together to

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Speaker 4: bring Fourth Phase to the market. There's literally so much

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Speaker 4: I could say about these amazing guests that we have today,

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Speaker 4: but we're just going to dive right into the conversation

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Speaker 4: so that you can hear just how amazing they are

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Speaker 4: from this interview. So, Nana Eisen Akioo and Marcia Cole,

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Speaker 4: welcome to Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for walming us.

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Speaker 6: You are so welcome. We're so excited.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we are definitely looking forward to this incredibly important conversation.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm going to start us off with our

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Speaker 3: quote of the day.

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Speaker 2: Now, our quote is.

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Speaker 3: Going to sound really familiar to you, ladies, because this

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Speaker 3: quote is your words. You are divinity in the flesh,

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Speaker 3: goddess that chose to become a vessel for life. Now

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read that again because I know that

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Speaker 3: I did not give it the necessary that it deserves. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So We're gonna do this one more time. You are

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Speaker 3: divinity in the flesh, a goddess that chose to become

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Speaker 7: Those are ours.

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Speaker 2: We've been all in your Instagram.

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Speaker 6: You you you.

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Speaker 7: When you were.

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Speaker 8: Reading it, I was like, yeah, that sounds like something

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Speaker 2: It's that I know, I didn't say it.

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Speaker 7: I'm learn break it down.

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Speaker 8: I am the woo woo, the spiritual person of the

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Speaker 2: That is crystals, that is, that is signs understanding elements.

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Speaker 8: And you are and I do say that you've chosen

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Speaker 8: And so I understand that from a spiritual standpoint, because

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Speaker 8: then understanding the spiritual and how that manifests in different

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Speaker 8: able to express that to mothers, right, and so again

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Speaker 8: So those things are important in making sure they understand

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Speaker 8: So you asked what what do you know? What do

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Speaker 7: And it's just like, yeah, that's not right.

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Speaker 2: to say it, I was like, oh, I know. I

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Speaker 6: That's why Nana was like, I know that.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna give you spiritualized I'm giving you hood. I

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Speaker 4: That partnership, the partnership and the balance that you are provided.

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Speaker 4: I love it already.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 2: It was very much like so when she talks about

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Speaker 2: I gave birth to a whole person, and now nine

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Speaker 2: Marcia is really connected with my daughter, they have like

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Speaker 2: they understand each other very well. But when I look

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Speaker 2: She got thoughts, she got opinions, she has liked, she

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Speaker 2: But she is not mine. And that was always the

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Speaker 2: thing that you know, I always because raised as an immigrant,

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Speaker 2: I'm always we were always talking. You know, there's no life.

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Speaker 2: You came through me. You are mind belong to me.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I say that to her, she's always like, actually,

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Speaker 2: by me, I belong to myself. I belong to myself.

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Speaker 2: Having way too many conversations with Auntie Marcia, she'd been like,

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Speaker 2: I belong to myself. I can't belong to yourself.

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Speaker 7: You belong to me, trying to blame that on me.

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Speaker 7: I didn't say tell her that.

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Speaker 8: Because she belongs to herself, because from.

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Speaker 2: Attack, that's not seeing talking but no, but just like

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Speaker 2: watching that but I say, I say, all I have

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Speaker 2: to say is that comment and that that quote is

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Speaker 2: you are just a vessel. You really are just a vessel.

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Speaker 2: You are a vessel. You are meant to carry it

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Speaker 2: with care, You are meant to nurture it. You are

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Speaker 2: meant to make sure that it has a smooth transition

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Speaker 2: from the world, from one world into another, and it

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Speaker 2: really is one world into another. It was like it

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Speaker 2: were so great because it's been showing us photos of

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Speaker 2: our sonogram that we would send to our parents who

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Speaker 2: were out of the country. And so I'm watching you

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Speaker 2: go from like this dot inside of my stomach and

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Speaker 2: then another dot, then bigger, and then a pee and

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Speaker 2: in the wall and now a whole person. That's all

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Speaker 2: that I carried you, and now you're your own thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm not I'm responsible for your care, but I just

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Speaker 6: That is beautiful.

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Speaker 4: But that's a huge shift for our culture too, because

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Speaker 4: I'm a year postpartum and so it's very fresh for

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Speaker 4: me still looking at my baby like you lived in

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Speaker 6: But it makes me.

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Speaker 4: Think about how parents back in the days say I

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Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, our kings like.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and it's like they had this ownership over us.

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Speaker 4: But I think this new general word. Now we're having

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Speaker 6: They have their own thoughts, their own opinions.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, so, I would love for you all

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Speaker 4: to dive into your origin story, right, what prompted you

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Speaker 4: to dive into this world a post of care before

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Speaker 9: What's the origin story?

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Speaker 2: The origin story started from a trip. I did a

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Speaker 2: mission trip to Ghana, West Africa, and we in partnership

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Speaker 2: be able to give a box back to mother. So

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Speaker 2: I was doing a project in Ghana and I was

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Speaker 2: first movement, one of the like you know, the indicators

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Speaker 2: baby's first movement, your first movement, all of that, and

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Speaker 2: the baby had had its movement and she was salvaging

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Speaker 2: doing and she was like, well, I don't have another diaper,

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Speaker 2: Like don't what I'm doing is I don't have another

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Speaker 2: diaper booth. And we started to talk and I realized that, oh,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't have another diaper, meaning that she doesn't have

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Speaker 2: another sanitary path, meaning that she doesn't have And then

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Speaker 2: we started to dig, like what don't you have? And

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Speaker 2: then what else doesn't other people have? Like so what

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Speaker 2: do you have? And then we realized that in Ghana

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Speaker 2: and specifically at that particular clinic, so many of those

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Speaker 2: unprepared because they don't want to prepare. It's just an

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Speaker 2: Like it's you go through a lot, your vaginal tearing,

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00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: your die Stacey's rect eye, your pelvic floor disruption. It's

440
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: been nine years, I still can't do a jumpin Jack.

441
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 2: It's like the fact that I can't jump without urinating

442
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: is a problem nine years later. And so I think,

443
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: what are big the big push for us? And one

444
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: thing is that I'll circle back is that part of

445
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: our brand is around the advocacy, and so I think

446
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: that was a very key piece, which was that when

447
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: we started talking to moms during our fourth focused group period,

448
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: a lot of those moms had no idea what that

449
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: period was called. They didn't know how to articulate what

450
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: was like, I am here this period of time that

451
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm in that I don't know how to jump. I

452
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: don't know why my body's not doing what it's supposed

453
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: to do. I didn't get the snap back that so

454
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: and so said they got on Instagram. None of this

455
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: has happened. My baby does not latch on my breast,

456
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 2: the way that lady's baby is latching, why and that

457
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: whole time period because they didn't know how to describe it.

458
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: They didn't know how to articulate it when they went

459
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: to the doctor. But what we found was that doctors

460
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: knew that term and they had a term for it

461
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: called forth trimester, but we the people experience it didn't

462
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: have that term. And so one of our biggest advocacy

463
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: pushes was that the only way for a mother to

464
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: know how to advocate for herself, The key thing is language.

465
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: If I don't have the language to articulate what is happening,

466
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: no matter what I say, you are going to always

467
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: put the word postpartum. And when you put the word

468
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: postpartum to somebody, they automatically add depression. It's not even

469
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: it goes they go like hand in hand and you

470
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: say postpartum, they say depression, and you'd be like, no,

471
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: just postpartum, like both the delivery. I didn't say I

472
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: was depressed. I just said post delivery, but they would

473
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: automatically end that. But once you have the work force trimester,

474
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: now you have it and you have a dictionary definition

475
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: of it. So it's no longer just some stuff I

476
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: made up. It's no longer something I created. It's like,

477
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: this is in the dictionary. And so it was really

478
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: important for us to advocate for the dictionaries to put

479
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: it in. And we were really thankful and proud of

480
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: the fact that when we put the when we put

481
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: the petition up, I want to say, about two to

482
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: three weeks later, Miriam Webster put it in. The word

483
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: put the word in. And so therefore it's like now

484
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: I say fourth trimester. You may not know what I mean,

485
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: but when you go into the dictionary, you will be

486
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: able to see that definition, and it will define it

487
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: as the period post delivery where a mother's body's recovering

488
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: that lasts from six weeks almost two a year. And

489
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: so that is that means so much to someone when

490
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: they're going through something and I don't have the verbiage

491
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: and language. Once that it's there, I feel I want

492
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: to say, I feel seen, I feel validated that I'm

493
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: because we live in such a world of social media

494
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: that if nobody on socialist talking about it, if it's

495
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: not out there and celebrities are not experiencing it verbally

496
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: or outwardly, I start to feel like I'm a lone

497
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: wolf and oh my god, it's just me. I'm the

498
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: only one who's baby's not doing this. I'm the only

499
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: one who's feeling tired. I'm the only one who's breast

500
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: itch and hurt. I'm the only one. And if I

501
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: start to feel like the only one, I'm destined to

502
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: fall into depression and anxiety. And so to avoid that,

503
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 2: we need to give the language to people so they

504
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: can talk about it.

505
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that was that was the reason.

506
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 8: Definitely, once we were diving further into the research and

507
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 8: we're saying for a trimester, for a trimester, and it

508
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 8: was just like, okay, what what does the dictionary stand.

509
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 8: It's like, it's not in any dictionary. So that became

510
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 8: our first advocacy, you know, campaign, was to be able

511
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 8: to bring light to the you know, bring bring the

512
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 8: bring an actual term and which is a medical term,

513
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 8: and bring it to the forefront for the average person

514
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 8: can know what to actually say and again be able

515
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 8: to make that distinction between the stigma of postpartum depression,

516
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 8: which is what the term postpartum is now associated with,

517
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 8: right and has been associated with for for for so

518
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 8: many years, when when it really is postpartum, but depression

519
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 8: is tagged onto it. And there's a wide spectrum between

520
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 8: someone having baby blues where just they're feeling a little

521
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 8: off and someone being clinically depressed. And it's a huge,

522
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 8: huge gap between the two. But when you lump them

523
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 8: all together, right, the minute a mother says I'm not

524
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 8: feeling myself, the minute she feels some level of disconnect

525
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 8: with the child and you know, not feeling necessarily like,

526
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 8: you know, I'm in this loving cocoon and all of

527
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 8: those things, then she starts even thinking that she's in

528
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 8: a state of depression where she may not even be

529
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 8: in that, but you are, just you are in the

530
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 8: fourth trimester, and all of those things may happen and

531
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 8: all those emotions may happen in the fourth trimester.

532
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: Wow, ladies, what a way to make history and to

533
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: make an impact on generations to come. I'm just thinking

534
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: about the legacy that you all are leading with, just

535
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: like getting the word and the dictionary and giving people

536
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: that language that is so important.

537
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 6: How amazing.

538
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 9: I'm just now I'm.

539
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 6: Just blown away.

540
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: Okay, let me just go to the next question now, Okay,

541
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: So we would love to know what ways can a

542
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: family or a partner support a new mother during the

543
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: fourth trimester, especially for those moms where they're like, I

544
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: don't know what I need, right, how can they support?

545
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 7: Well?

546
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 8: I think we you know, one of the biggest aha things,

547
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 8: you know, for me again, like I wasn't a mom,

548
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 8: and I said, talk about what you are, what you

549
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 8: are feeling, right, Don't be afraid to express what is

550
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 8: actually what you're feeling in that moment. Don't be afraid

551
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 8: to say that I haven't showered in two days, three days,

552
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 8: I can't even you know, I don't have energy to cook, right,

553
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 8: speak up around it, and you know when you're going

554
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 8: through it is one thing now that we have all

555
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 8: these different forums to be able to discuss that this

556
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 8: is here. We tell them like, you need to have

557
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 8: your team, put your team together for postpartum care, right,

558
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 8: put that team together and the team you know, it's

559
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 8: it's the make sure you have a postpartum ula, make

560
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 8: sure you have a postpartum midwife, pelvic you know, pelvic support,

561
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 8: pelvic therapist. If you do have that situation. Tell your

562
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 8: friends to give you gift cards to door dash, instack cart, whatever,

563
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 8: all of those things so that the if someone's not

564
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 8: able to come to your house to cook and to clean,

565
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 8: those are things that she's going to need, like literally

566
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 8: the necessities. I need food, I need a clean house.

567
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 8: I need somebody be able to help me with those

568
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 8: things because I now have to be the primary and

569
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 8: the sole nurturer of this baby, and the baby is

570
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 8: going to need me twenty four to seven and so

571
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 8: I don't have time to tidy up the house. I'm

572
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 8: not going to be, you know, in a space where

573
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 8: I'm going to cook, you know, over you know, every

574
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 8: day or any day, you know, maybe for the next

575
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 8: six weeks. And if she had a C section, which

576
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 8: we call belly birth, she can't even she could barely move,

577
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 8: so she shouldn't be So the partner needs to know

578
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 8: how to step up in the kitchen, needs to know

579
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 8: how to step up at you know, at home, and

580
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 8: needs to be proactive to see like this is what

581
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 8: you know, the mother of my child is actually going

582
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 8: to need for her to feel good, right, So what

583
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 8: what was she need for her to feel joy in

584
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 8: this moment? Because a baby suckling on your your nipples

585
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 8: is not necessarily a nice feeling. It's not soothing and

586
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 8: so you may not want to be suckling on my

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 8: nipples either, because it's.

588
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 7: Going to be dry, cracked and sore.

589
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 8: And so I'm upset, right, And so like the partners

590
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 8: really getting into the fourth trimester, you know, education as well,

591
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 8: so that they can support Yeah, get the food, Yeah,

592
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 8: get the you know, make sure make sure that she

593
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 8: has the nutrients that she's going to need, you know,

594
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 8: during that time. That's what's really important.

595
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also creating a space that's non judgmental, like

596
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, having friends that you people, and a partner

597
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: that you can talk to that's not going to judge

598
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: you when you say whatever it is that you're going

599
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: to say. You know, I always tell them I see

600
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: it this and or say this often. Is that when

601
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: I when my daughter was born, you know, when everyone

602
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: had this kind of like glow in their photos that

603
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: was just like oh the baby, and it felt like

604
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: they loved the baby instantly or so it felt it

605
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: felt different than what I experienced. And what I experienced

606
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: was give me my baby. I felt protect. I felt

607
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: like I got to protect this thing, this is my thing.

608
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Let me make sure. But I didn't catch that like,

609
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: oh she's cute, let me love on her, let me

610
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: smell her, let me get into her. I didn't catch

611
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: that immediately, and I was afraid to say it because

612
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: everybody around me was like, oh my god, I loved

613
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: my daughter when she was born.

614
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 7: I was like, I just couldn't.

615
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't really love her. I liked her,

616
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: but I felt like I had.

617
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 7: To protect her.

618
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: I grew into that, but I started to feel bad

619
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: that I said it, and I was like, well, why

620
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: do I feel? But because everybody, no one gave me

621
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: space to feel that way. No one gave me space

622
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: to feel like. You know, every mother I talked to you,

623
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: of my friends prior when I talked to him about like, so,

624
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: what's it like? What's it going to be like? They

625
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: all made it feel like it was gonna be fruits

626
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: and berries and in the most beautiful ig post ever.

627
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: But when I got there, I was petrified. And I

628
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: had help. I had a mom who moved in and

629
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: lived with us for a year, and I still was like, Yo,

630
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: what is happening? And I couldn't talk to anybody because

631
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: I felt like anybody I would talk to with judgment

632
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: if I said I wasn't feeling myself or I was

633
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: feeling down, I would automatically get that word depression, and

634
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want it, so I just kept it to

635
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: myself and I just smiled. But what people around you

636
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: can do is create a space for you that is

637
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: non judgmental and let you know, bood, you could tell

638
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: me anything. Girl, you don't like this baby. We don't

639
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: like it, Ganggang, we don't like it. I don't like it.

640
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: Let's do it. We gotta feed it, we gotta change it,

641
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: we gotta protect, we gotta take care. But y'all have

642
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: to like it. I wanted somebody to come over and

643
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: be like gang Gang, and nobody did.

644
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 6: Everybody was, oh, well, I love the honest summer.

645
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: Now that's my dog. I don't want her to be

646
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: like that's my dog exactly.

647
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: Can I just say I love the honesty and transparent

648
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: You don't like me, mommy.

649
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: Exactly right, like what you should say. But I love

650
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: the actionable tips that you also share, so valuable. One

651
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: thing I have to add, as far as the non

652
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: judgment is a space where you can just be as

653
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 4: far as I be naked and to be free with

654
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 4: the new body, because y'all, I smelled so bad I

655
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Speaker 4: feel like I just smelled so bad for so long

656
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Speaker 4: after birth.

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Speaker 6: So I just wanted to add that in there.

658
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Speaker 4: Lady, are you smelling and you're in that face the

659
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Speaker 4: journey it's okay, okay, no judgment, because I smelled like

660
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Speaker 4: a football team, Like every day I walked from here

661
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 4: to there, it was like, what's going on? So yeah,

662
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Speaker 4: I just want to add the y'all, just my personal

663
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Speaker 4: my personal stuff, So that's.

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Speaker 2: Real, that's real.

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Speaker 3: I think making note of like all of those things

666
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Speaker 3: right about showing support, creating that space where they can say.

667
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: All of the things right, they say.

668
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: I smell like a football team, and I know you

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Speaker 3: smell me, so just let me be maybe bring me

670
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: some theodor, but just let me be right, and just

671
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna all be okay that I smell like a

672
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: football team right now, right, and and that I don't

673
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: really like my baby right now.

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00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: Okay, you know she c now, but me.

675
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 7: And her ain't here yet.

676
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: We ain't here yet, so you know, no judgment on that.

677
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: And I love that, right, I love I love creating

678
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 3: that space where mom can thrive, because we know that

679
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: when mom thrives, everybody around her will thrive as well,

680
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: and so what do you think new moms should not

681
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Speaker 3: do during their fourth trimester.

682
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Speaker 2: I think they should not have expectations. I think a

683
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: lot of us go into these processes like I have

684
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: to have this kind of birth, and it's like from

685
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: the birthing process, from the time you deliver, it's kind

686
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: of like you have a goal. My goal is to

687
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: give birth to a healthy baby and also be a

688
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: healthy and survive as a healthy mom. However we get

689
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: to that point is how we're going to get there.

690
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: And so when you have that expectation that I just

691
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: try to get to the endpoint, I think that is

692
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: the same concept you have to go into the postpartums

693
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: the fourth trimester is I just have to get through this.

694
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: And so my mom come in to help. May not

695
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: look like when I do it, but it's still help.

696
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: It's still help. The kitchen is not clean the way

697
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: I would clean it, but he cleaned the kitchen and

698
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: let go. The baby don't look like I would want

699
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: the baby to look like. But guess what. He took

700
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: that baby and he put that onesie on backwards. But

701
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: I got to take a shower, I got to take

702
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: a shit, I got to brush my teeth and I

703
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: put an eyepatch on, so I'm winning. This baby looked crazy,

704
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: but I'm winning. And I think once you take that away,

705
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: where it's like everything is not going to be picture

706
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: perfect and your help is going to come, but it

707
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: may not come in the form in which you expected

708
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: to come because that's the way you would have given it.

709
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 2: If you relinquished a lot of that, you would be

710
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: more receptive, and you'll be and the experience will be

711
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: different for you. And I think that was a big

712
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 2: thing that I learned was like my mom moved into

713
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: our apartment. We had a two bedroom apartment, me, my mom,

714
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: my husband, and my baby. And she stayed for a

715
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: year and everyone was like a whole year and the

716
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: whole year. And when I say I relinquish, and I

717
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: made my husband relinquish, I was like, Yo, you want

718
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: this help or you want to be talking about that's

719
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: not how I make my kale salad. What you want

720
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: to do? She don't make kale foulic. She cooked the

721
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: kale with tomatoes and stewed it down to its life

722
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Speaker 2: and it's that's what she calls a salad. You're gonna

723
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Speaker 2: eat that. And he had to realize like, well, yeah,

724
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: because my mother in law's here, I did get to

725
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: sleep all night and be able to get up and

726
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: go to work and didn't have to do nighttime feeding

727
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: because she did all the nighttime feeding she did. So

728
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Speaker 2: it's like I think a lot of us are so

729
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: we want to control so much. And one thing that

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Speaker 2: I realized being a mother and delivering and having this

731
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Speaker 2: thing was that you can't control a lot of it.

732
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Speaker 2: Just relinquish some things and be receptive to the help

733
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Speaker 2: and how it shows up and be grateful and appreciative

734
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: of it then and go through it that way. And

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Speaker 2: I think that will that will take a lot of

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Speaker 2: stress off of a lot of new mond.

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Speaker 4: What she said right that is powerful. That right there

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Speaker 4: is like a mic drop moment right there. So can

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Speaker 4: you talk to our listeners about what the fourth phase is,

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Speaker 4: what's included in the fourth phase, give us the juicy

741
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Speaker 4: details and how does it support mothers on their after

742
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Speaker 4: birth journey?

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Speaker 7: Oh awesome?

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Speaker 8: So fourth phase are luxury after birth gift boxes that

745
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 8: helps mothers to heal, feel and be heard during their

746
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 8: fourth trimester. And so we offer three boxes see every

747
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 8: birth box. When you don't know what the delivery method

748
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 8: is going to be the vaginal birth box when you're

749
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 8: having to support you in the after birth care for

750
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 8: vaginal birth and a belly birth box which is what

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00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 8: we call c sections. And so within each box our

752
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 8: twelve products or organic sustainable source that are catering to

753
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 8: her specific recovery based on her delivery method. And so

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00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 8: we do we offer lactation support, and so we do

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Speaker 8: a milk blend. This is our custom blend milk blend

756
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Speaker 8: tea that is filled with fenogreek leaves, organic roy Boys leaves,

757
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Speaker 8: organic ginger root, and clothes. And so phenagreek is a

758
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 8: key ingredient that helps with lactation. So if you have

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Speaker 8: especially for moms who have belly births, when you have

760
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 8: a belly birth, it you know within those first three

761
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 8: days it's going to be harder for you to actually

762
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 8: do to breastfeed because of the chemicals that are in

763
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 8: the body as a result, and so it takes about

764
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 8: three days before the milk actually can come down. And

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00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 8: so fenagreek is known throughout history in Asian cultures all

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Speaker 8: around as an ingredient that helps with releasing the milk

767
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 8: so that lactation becomes easier.

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Speaker 7: For the mom, and so.

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Speaker 8: This is our guashaw stone, and so it comes in

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Speaker 8: a little pouch in the box and everyone a lot

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00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 8: of people know this as a beauty massager, but this

772
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 8: is actually this is actually a real tool from traditional

773
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 8: Chinese medicine, and it's called aquashaw stone, and so it's

774
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 8: in cosmetic industry. Everyone is like, oh, yeah, you use

775
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 8: it for this for your facials, to help with toning

776
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 8: in facials, but these has very specific meanings and so

777
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 8: it is a rose quartz crystal, which a rose course

778
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 8: is for the heart chakra, and so we encourage moms

779
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 8: to use it for when they have engorgement around lactation.

780
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 8: So when the breasts become just in gorge and the

781
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 8: milk again is not able to come down, then they're

782
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 8: able to massage that area with this with the tool.

783
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 8: And it's a dual tone because it is you can't

784
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 8: use it on their face and they can't actually use

785
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 8: it on the baby to soothe it. Rose quartz is

786
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 8: a again specifically for the heart chakra, and so it

787
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 8: helps so she could put it here and to send

788
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 8: to recenter herself because again that breast area is all

789
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 8: a part of the heart chakra area. And so if

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00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 8: this is then the heart chakra is the midpoint. If

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00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 8: you know about chakras is, it's the midpoint between their

792
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 8: lower your lower self and your higher self. And if

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00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 8: this is blocked, if this is blocked like we're going,

794
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 8: we're clear about that when this is blocked, right, what

795
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 8: happens to your lower body, there's a disconnect between your

796
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 8: lower self and your higher self. Right, So yeah, and

797
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 8: so understanding and so inside there's a little card on

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00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 8: how what it's you know and how to pronounce it,

799
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 8: and you know how to use it and where it

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00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 8: comes from, and so we understand the origins of it.

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00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 8: This is also a part of our lactation care, which

802
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 8: is our flex pack. It's a lavender and fle seed

803
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 8: hot and cold compress and so you're able to utilize

804
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 8: it here again on the breast again to provide relief,

805
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 8: especially put it on the neck area while you're breastfeeding,

806
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 8: so you can get relief on the tension. If you

807
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 8: have a belly birth, then you can warm it in

808
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 8: a microwave and then put it a little bit on

809
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 8: that that lower sea section area again to give yourself

810
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 8: more relief.

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Speaker 7: Typically, when you get the box.

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00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 8: This is the scent that comes, you know, wafting through

813
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 8: when you open up the package. The lavender is what

814
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 8: you know, and so it brings immediate calm to the mom.

815
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 8: And so these are all very intentional and what we

816
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 8: chose with the ingredients and the specific things because we

817
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 8: wanted her the experience of the box is that she

818
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 8: gets it. It's her gift. It's not for the baby.

819
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 8: This is specifically for her, and then she can again

820
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 8: be able to understand the feeling he'll feel and be heard.

821
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 8: So this is our notebook, just a journal for the

822
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 8: mom to be able to write down her thoughts, because

823
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 8: thoughts turn into things, and we don't want all those

824
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 8: thoughts you know, clogged up in her head rummaging around,

825
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 8: and so it gets her even more confused or you know,

826
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 8: more disoriented. And this is why like doing morning you

827
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 8: know morning pages, which is a writer's tricks, Like if

828
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 8: we write down your thoughts on a daily do that

829
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 8: data dump, you can clear your mind. And so there's

830
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 8: a lovely note that we reprovise, like dear Mama, your

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00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 8: fourth phase journey is one of the most critical phases

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00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 8: of motherhood as your mind, body, and spirit adjust to

833
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 8: your new normal. Know that you are not alone and

834
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 8: that we are with you every step of the way

835
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 8: to help you heal, feel and be heard. Welcome to

836
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 8: the fourth phase trial. And so she gets this book

837
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 8: and she gets to again just like write down her thoughts.

838
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 8: Perry Seuther. This was the first product that we convinced

839
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Speaker 8: Nana to to make. So it's the flagship product of

840
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 8: Perry Suther for the vaginal birth box. It's portable bidet

841
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 8: and so this is for moms, especially if they had

842
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 8: those vaginal tears.

843
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 7: What happens.

844
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 8: You know that you can't wipe yourself in the way

845
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 8: that you used to or with the things that you

846
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 8: used to. You can't use a tissue, you can't wear

847
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 8: a thong. You know, you just can't. It's too tender

848
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 8: down there. And so this helps you. You know, you

849
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 8: can put either just warm water or some science people

850
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 8: use you know, herbal baths and they're able to put

851
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 8: it in there and just spray it on. You see,

852
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 8: spray it on, you know, you know, to cleanse the area,

853
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 8: to cleanse the vagina after she peas or while she's

854
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 8: peeing again, so it doesn't burn and it doesn't you know,

855
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 8: not burn that she has something, but so.

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00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: It doesn't it is the right word.

857
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, So it is, you know, right, that crotch fire

858
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 8: thing that happens, and so that this gets soothing to

859
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 8: her and then she can pat pat herself dry.

860
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 7: And so a gauze a little.

861
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, it comes in a little carry on pouch so

862
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 8: that she could take it with her and stick it

863
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 8: in her you know, pocketbook wherever she nana and the

864
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 8: gauze not the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm learning way more than I thought I needed after

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Speaker 2: a vaginal birth, doctor, Tom, I'm telling you what your

867
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: vagina does not want is for you to take that

868
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: two flag Sharman come rubbing up on her. Don't want

869
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: none of that. She don't want that. That's Terry tell us.

870
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: She don't want it. She don't want it, not at

871
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: all at all.

872
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 8: Yes, And this is why it was like when you

873
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 8: choose to do this, you know, know that this, you

874
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 8: know you did a thing there, mighty thing you're doing there, mommy.

875
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 7: And so we created.

876
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 8: Cocoa nip, which is for dry cracked nipples, and yes,

877
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 8: and so coconut oil based and so it's safe, you know,

878
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 8: for the mom and the baby. So it's meant to

879
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 8: soothe the skin, help to repair it because Kalindola fractionated

880
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 8: coco oil that's all a soother and it helped to

881
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 8: heal the skin without harming the baby, so you don't

882
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 8: have to wipe it off before she actually does that

883
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 8: she does breastfeeding. Then we have a belly birth bomb

884
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 8: again for the sea section or for the belly birth

885
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 8: so after the incision. It is also utilizes a healing

886
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 8: oil called helochrisium which helps to really repair skin. And

887
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 8: so once she has the stitches off, this helps with

888
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 8: eliminating the excessive itching that will happen during that time

889
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 8: and then also help to repair the skin. And so

890
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 8: then we have our body butter shade butter based sustainably

891
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 8: source from from Ghana, South Africa and again utilizing West

892
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 8: Africa sorry, and then utilizing all of the ingredients and

893
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 8: again that will help to pamper and to repair her

894
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 8: skin while she's there.

895
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 7: And so the last and not least is.

896
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 8: No, not last less.

897
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: You got cocoa Okay.

898
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 8: Low essential, which is our moisturish body oil and so

899
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 8: this is made with a jasmine oil scent. And so

900
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 8: this is when she's ready to really be able to

901
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 8: take a shower by herself and afterwards or take her bath.

902
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 8: And then you know, we made it into a drop

903
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 8: or bottle so that she would have to take the

904
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 8: time right to be able to put it on her

905
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 8: self and put it in. It's not something that you

906
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 8: do in but you have you have to hold it,

907
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 8: you got to dip it in here, you got to

908
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 8: come back in. And so this allows her to just

909
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 8: you know, pause a little bit and give herself some

910
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 8: a level of pampering that she did not do before.

911
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 7: So and then we have.

912
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 8: Restore Meat, which we partnered with another black women own brand,

913
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 8: and she is a healer and it's a flower based

914
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 8: elixir and so this is especially if you've had the

915
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 8: epidurial and you know, all of those things that they

916
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 8: will help to slowly eliminate the products out of your

917
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 8: out of your body and to again to help her

918
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 8: recenter herself.

919
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 7: So yeah, so we.

920
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 8: Created all of this stuff, all of these during those

921
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 8: nine months, and yeah, that's that's where everyone's like, you know,

922
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 8: we formulated, it came together. Really, it seemed like it

923
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 8: it's a short window. But he's like, yeah, use this oil,

924
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 8: use this you know thing this really works. This you

925
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 8: know it does, and you know Nana would testing and

926
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 8: you know go through different things and we you know

927
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 8: to people say what do you think? What's your feedback?

928
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 8: But yeah, that's that's that's what we.

929
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 6: Did mid Blown. That is amazing.

930
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: We have to know now where can leadies purchase this

931
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 4: that they want to get their fourth phase.

932
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, on our website, you can go to fourth phasebox

933
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: dot com and you can make a selection based off

934
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: of what type of delivery method you anticipate having or

935
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: you think that the mother will have. And if you

936
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: don't know, then the ideal boxes to get the every

937
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: birth box. I think two other things that Marcia wasn't

938
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: able to show is our post undies and our belly rap,

939
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: which is a post underwear after delivery. It's kind of

940
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: the ideal underwear that will hold a really large sanitary

941
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: path that you're going to meet. And then our belly

942
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: rap is not intended to be like a Waiste trainer

943
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: at all, but it is about helping contract your uterus

944
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: back to its size and also giving you back support

945
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: post delivery. So it and that is also kind of

946
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: derived from when I gave birth. One of the things

947
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: my mother did as soon as I after I delivered,

948
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: was she tied my stomach And it's an African cultural

949
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: thing where you do a kind of a belly binding

950
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: type thing, and that was again also for the same

951
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: reason to reefing help start the contraction of my uterus early.

952
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: And so a lot of the stuff that we created

953
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: through our focus groups through talking to moms also talk

954
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: also came from my individual birthing experience. My mother lathered

955
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: me with shade butter, lathered like grease monkey from head

956
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: to toe, and then when my daughter came out, it

957
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 2: was the same shade butter that she lathered on her.

958
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: And so that shade butter is really important and integral

959
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: to kind of the way in which mothers in West

960
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 2: Africa and Sub Saharan Africa kind of take care of

961
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: their children and their families, and so it was important

962
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: for us to also have that in the box as well.

963
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's nine months a lot of work,

964
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: but could not have been done without the feedback from

965
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: a lot of moms that we got through our focus groups,

966
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: through doulas and midwives and obgyns kind of testing and

967
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: looking at our stuff and being like you guys are

968
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: on the right track. This is right, this is what

969
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: we need. So we're really proud of the box and

970
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: so please check us out.

971
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, and for every box that's purchased, it allows us

972
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 8: to donate a similar box to new moms in Sub

973
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 8: Saharan Africa and products and that are donated to moms

974
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 8: experiencing homelessness in the US. And so that's you know,

975
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 8: fourth phase and is a social impact brand and so

976
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 8: that's at the core of our company, and it's at

977
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 8: the core of the DNA of what we're about. And

978
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 8: so it is about them being able to connect mothers globally,

979
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 8: and that's the idea around it.

980
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: I love that.

981
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: Now I have a technical question because I was already

982
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: on the website and because I have a couple of

983
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: friends who are pregnant and I was like checking it

984
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: out because I wanted to gifted to them the belly

985
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: wraps and the undies. If someone is unsure of the

986
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 3: size of the size, yes, what do they do?

987
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: So I always suggest if you're unsure of the size,

988
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: you can live in the large extra large because the

989
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 2: belly rat will go around. So if she happens to be,

990
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: you know, you get a large and a large, extra large,

991
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: and she happens to be more medium sized. She is

992
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: able to really control how tight she can make it,

993
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: and so it's easier to just go up in size.

994
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: And the same thing for the post undies. The undies

995
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: stretch to your body. We just create multiple sizes to

996
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 2: make it easier for moms. But the underwears will kind

997
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: of stretch to your body and fit, so if you

998
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: end up being smaller, it'll just fit you a little.

999
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: It'll fit a little looser, but it'll fit still.

1000
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 6: This is amazing, ladies.

1001
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 4: I see they have gift cards on the site as well,

1002
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 4: so if you are pregnant or you have friends that

1003
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 4: are pregnant, go to their website. Will add it in

1004
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 4: the show notes as well. Ladies, this was so incredible.

1005
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 4: You've provided so much value. The laughs were abundant as well.

1006
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: We appreciate you your energy, But what we want to

1007
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 4: do right now is we want to shift up the

1008
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: energy a little bit and have some fun with you

1009
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: before we close out the interview. So get ready because

1010
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 4: we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and we

1011
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: believe that it's okay to be bougie, classy, and ratchet.

1012
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 4: We believe that you can dance to strip up music

1013
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: okay and still be elegant. So, lady, we want to

1014
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: invite you to the oh you blatchet segment? So do

1015
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 4: you take on the challenge?

1016
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 6: Let's do it.

1017
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 4: Okay, We're going to shift it up a little bit

1018
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: because we have two of you. We're not going to

1019
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: ask all the questions. But what we want to do

1020
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 4: is we want to start off with hmm. Now we're

1021
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: going to start off with you. My question is what

1022
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 4: did you do as a new mom to feel sexy?

1023
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 7: Again?

1024
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: I'm still trying to figure that out, or what could

1025
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: a new mom do to feel sexy?

1026
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: What did I do as a new mom to feel sexy?

1027
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Let me think about this. Huh oh, I didn't feel

1028
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: sexy for a while though, damn. But what could a

1029
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: new mom do?

1030
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 6: All right?

1031
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: What would I have done different? I take it, get

1032
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: your hair done? I did not get my hair done.

1033
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: I did not do any of the me things that

1034
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: make me feel sexy to me, not necessarily feel sexy

1035
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: for him, but to me. I remember, I got waxed

1036
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: before I had the baby because I was like, ain't

1037
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: nobody finna go down there? And deliver this whole baby

1038
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: and be no not geo safari if this bitch. So

1039
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to get waxed. So I got waxed. But

1040
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 2: after I got that wax, I ain't go back.

1041
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 6: It was not Jill.

1042
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 7: By the time he.

1043
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: Got there, he was like, I thought it was waxed.

1044
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: I was like, that was a while ago. I ain't

1045
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: been bad. And so I think what I would say

1046
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: is that find the time. But that also goes back

1047
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: to what we initially said, which is be willing to

1048
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: relinquish some of that power in order to give you

1049
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: the opportunity to go away from baby and go get

1050
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: a wax and go get your hair done or get

1051
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: your nails done, or spot or doing that stuff at

1052
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: home if that's what you are, if you're that kind

1053
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 2: of a mom and you do that stuff at home,

1054
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: but giving your time, yourself, time to go into the

1055
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: bathroom or to wherever you are and create that time

1056
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: for yourself, because until you feel sexy, you as an individual,

1057
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: you're not. I mean, he's gonna think you're sexy regardless

1058
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: because he's just been trying to get it for a while.

1059
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: So he's just like I've been trying at this step,

1060
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: I'll take you iver income at me, which can't give

1061
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: me anything, but for you to be able to enjoy it,

1062
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: I think you have to also feel desirable, and so

1063
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: I think it's important to take that time for yourself.

1064
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: And that's something I didn't do. I love that.

1065
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: So now I'm are seeing what is the lexius item

1066
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: you own and would recommend for all women to own.

1067
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: I can tell that you had to tell that.

1068
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1069
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: I talked about my far you better know it.

1070
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 7: I talked about.

1071
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: The slave secret girl. Come on, Marcia, what is a girl?

1072
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 8: The sexiest item I own? I mean it's one of

1073
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 8: two things. I'm lingerie or you know, the highest kind

1074
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 8: of heel.

1075
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: And I I.

1076
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 8: It's also been a minute so that we're on a

1077
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 8: dry spell right now, so I don't have that information.

1078
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: It's not information is not readily available.

1079
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 4: A month.

1080
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: Call me next week is a judgment.

1081
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 7: I've just been working.

1082
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 6: We'll take lingerie in some high, high high.

1083
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 8: High lingerie lingerie, right, you know, the right type of

1084
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 8: bra is always I think the right type of rad

1085
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 8: will be like a very sexy thing like lingerie.

1086
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 7: You know it's going to be you know said, But.

1087
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Speaker 8: If it's the right type of Demi cup, you know

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 8: that kind of halfway sits and it's just a little

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00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 8: blush of a you know, a lace you know on it,

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00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 8: and you know that that that gives you, that gives

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 8: you that a little bit of two strap thing. You

1092
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 8: know that gives you a little peekaboo that all. You

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 8: know that that works for me again, the same thing,

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 8: And I am one hundred percent agreement with Nana's like,

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00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 8: you have to feel what makes you feel sexy, right

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00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 8: and when you do it, you know that that makes

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00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 8: you feel that way. Complete wax absolutely does that.

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00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 7: You're like, oh, oh.

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Speaker 2: Complex, complete waxes, dude, I'm telling you.

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00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 7: You know it.

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00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 8: You know, okay, okay, whether.

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00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: Whether you have.

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00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 8: The complete waxes already or not here I come. I

1104
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 8: guess it's completely exactly ready. Whether there's someone here or not,

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00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 8: it works, okay.

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Exactly like exactly.

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00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 8: That would be the that would be the thing not

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00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 8: going to answer, Yeah, don't bring up to.

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: Don't now, Nana. We have a sentence completion for you, okay.

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00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 4: And the sentence completion is what I love most about

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00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 4: myself is.

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 2: My sense of humor.

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 6: I think we would all agree with that. Your sense

1114
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 6: of humor is on it's on point. We appreciate it.

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00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 7: It means fun.

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00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 6: I love it.

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00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: Yes, more I see you. What is one question or

1118
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: topic you wish people asked you about more often?

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 8: Spirituality? So I, yeah, so I can get really deep.

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 8: So when when when I find someone that can go

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00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 8: that round with me, that's like, oh, okay, this is amazing,

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00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 8: you know, talking about spirituality, understanding the deeper meanings of things. Yeah,

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00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 8: that's that's the one topic I wish people would talk

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00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 8: to me more about, because I I when they do,

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00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 8: they're actually surprised at the level of of of knowledge

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 8: that I have and in those areas.

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00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we may have to have a part too

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00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 4: and just dive into the spiritual the spiritual aspects.

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00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 6: So what what righte there? One down?

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Speaker 4: Okay, thank you for sharing that though, because I'm definitely

1131
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 4: interested in that, like to learn, so we'll have to

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 4: circle back on that.

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I love learning about so I. You know,

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 8: prior to this project, when that I was on a

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 8: huge journey and so so I took the time to

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01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 8: really you know, delve into it. And my happy place

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01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 8: is when I'm.

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01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 7: Oh I'm learning this. Oh I'm reading isis code. I'm

1139
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 7: learning that part.

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01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 8: I'm understanding here and oh okay, and then how all

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01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 8: the dots connect. And so that has brought me a

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01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 8: much deeper and a greater understanding of how things actually work, right,

1143
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 8: not what the world has told us, but like they're okay,

1144
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 8: this is how it happens on a soul level.

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 7: This is what you know.

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01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, that you volunteered to be that that child's vessel, right,

1147
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 8: and on the soul level, that agreement was made. And

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01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 8: when you understand life from those perspectives, you know, you

1149
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 8: understand relationships differently, right, You understand the good ones and

1150
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 8: especially the bad ones, and understand that.

1151
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 7: What you're going through is what your.

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01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 8: Soul has contracted and requested as a part of evolution.

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01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 8: So yeah, I love going down.

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01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, say, okay, lady, we catch jam that's she said,

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01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 6: that's her. Damn. I can tell you I'm picking up.

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm picking up what you're putting down to see what

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01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 4: I want you ladies to do right now.

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01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 6: I want you to like use your lady.

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01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 4: You have to be watching to kind of get this,

1160
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 4: but I want you to to choose the number between

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 4: one and three because we have some photos pulled up

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: from your Instagram, and we're going to show you a

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01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: photo and we want you to provide Jesus, they're like,

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: which photo is that?

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 7: This is?

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: This is a surprise, surprise. We want you to tell us,

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01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 4: give us more context about the photos. Some of the

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01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 4: photos are of you, others are just some of the

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 4: funny photos that you all post. So decide on the

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: number together, oh together, yes, together.

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 6: And then we'll choose the photos. You can give us

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01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 6: more context or tell us.

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 8: About are we doing it together? Are we just coming

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 8: up with it? Because Nana, are you texting me? Because

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01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 8: it looks like too.

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 7: And this is the number.

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see what.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 2: It's the number between one and three, one and three

1179
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 2: and three?

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01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 7: Okay, wait, I turned the phone up.

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01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 2: We'll see. I put my number in. I put my

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01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: This is hilarious.

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 8: Okay, see what watch her send it to me on?

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01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: I sent it on? What's that? I sent it on?

1185
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: What's that?

1186
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 6: I got it? I wanted to you, what choo? The

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 6: same number we're probably going to now a lot?

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01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 7: Okay, what that numbers?

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01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: Okay? So the numbers too?

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 6: All okay, all right, let's do it.

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01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead, and now some people are not going

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01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 4: to be watching the video, they are going to be

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01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 4: tuning into the audio. You can explain to them what

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 4: you see in one second, it's gonna show.

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01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 7: Up, hopefully I can. Hopefully.

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 8: All right, that's not bad.

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01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: It's our anniversary. It's a photo of Marcia and I

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01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: at Marcia's place where she is right now where we

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01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: did this. So this is also interesting because this photo

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01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: was taken this was the first time Marcia and I

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01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: had seen each other since the day we did the

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01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: brainstorming in twenty eighteen. So the other piece we failed

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: to say is that we have not physically seen me

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01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: had not physically seen each other when we developed this.

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01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: While we built fourth Phase, we did the whole thing

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Speaker 2: on Zoom and on What's That, on all these other

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: Google meets and platforms. So this I went to Arizona

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: and we did a photo shoot because people kept asking

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 2: us for headshots together, and we had headshots apart, and

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01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 2: then we had one headshot where we tried to green

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: screen it to make it look like we were standing

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01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: next to each other, and I think at one point

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: I was inside of Marcia's afro. It was it looks crazy.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: We were like, let's get like that.

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 7: We just didn't like that.

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01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 8: So this was a big crept pee for her and

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01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 8: this was a big piece. We did a lovely shoot

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01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 8: and it came out right.

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01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: We did a photo shoot and this is this is

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01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: a photo of our videos from our photo shoot, and

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01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: it happened to be used to celebrate our one year

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 2: anniversary February twenty First, yes.

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Speaker 6: It looks so bombed. And what a fun story behind it.

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01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 4: The fact that you that makes the story even more amazing,

1225
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 4: the fact that you weren't even in the same space

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01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 4: building out.

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 6: This incredible world changing brand.

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01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: So we've technically seen each other twice.

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Speaker 8: Yeah right, actually yeah since we went on Yeah, because

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 8: remember the pandemic was happening and Marcilla was not going anywhere.

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: Who was not playing with the pandy.

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01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 7: Yeah all around, but all right, was not.

1233
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 6: Playing with the Panini. I feel you.

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01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 8: I was not in those streets at all. Like, no, Nana,

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 8: I'm not getting on a plane.

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01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: Actually Africa and I flew to Ghana in twenty twenty.

1237
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I wanna say I'm flying out it.

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 2: She was like ahh, she was like, you can't just

1239
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: fly to New York she was like, ah ah. I

1240
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: was like, this is ridiculous. I said, well, you want

1241
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: me to come out there? She was like ahh, I'm.

1242
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 6: Like come on, she said, I'll see you on zoom.

1243
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 2: She was like, it's a pandemic.

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 4: And I just said, we just want to say again,

1245
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 4: thank you so much for your time, your energy, this

1246
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: incredible brand that you're bringing to the world and the impact.

1247
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're like if you understand what

1248
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 4: you're doing right now, because you're so in the weeds

1249
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: in the moment, but this is really incredible.

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 6: It's life changing.

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01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,479
Speaker 4: And just I keep thinking about the legacy and looking back,

1252
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: and I believe y'all won't be a history books like

1253
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 4: this is major.

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Speaker 6: This is incredible. Thank you for sharing your gift with us.

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01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 4: I know doctor dom has some has some gratitude that

1256
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 4: she wants to share.

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Speaker 3: I am just so grateful. Like I think about I

1258
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 3: have seen several friends, Terry included, go through the birthing process,

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: and I just think about what you all are gifting

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: them with the fourth trimester and and coining that term,

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: like making that making sure that we know what that

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01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 3: term is, and and then providing these fourth phase boxes like,

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Speaker 3: I am just so incredibly thankful because I think also

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01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 3: as a friend and a supporter, it's like, okay, well

1265
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 3: what can I do that I don't know the experience, right,

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: I can only see what you're putting out there, and

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01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 3: so be so being able to one have the language

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: to talk to them and two have items to gift

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 3: them to make the experience that much better.

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Speaker 2: I just thank y'all, Thank you guys, appreciation for us,

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: appreciated having us.

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 7: And if there're a lot of fun.

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01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 6: Do you want to let our listeners know.

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: Where they can find you, how they can support you,

1275
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 4: what call to action do you want to share with them?

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01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 4: Because I'm sure that they enjoy the conversation. I'm sure

1277
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 4: they're going to look you up on social media and

1278
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: see who these lovely women are.

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01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 6: So feel free to let them know.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely, So follow us on social We're at four

1281
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 8: Phase Box on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Sign the petition

1282
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 8: because we still have many more dictionaries to go. So

1283
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 8: the link is in is on our website as which

1284
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 8: is fourth phasebox dot com, as well as on our

1285
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 8: ig page, and so share that petition with your friends

1286
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 8: because it takes a long time. You know, to be

1287
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 8: able to get things through. So we still have dictionary

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 8: dot com that has not listed the word. We still

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01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 8: have Oxford Dictionary that has not listed you know, the term.

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 8: And so we want every dictionary to be able to

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01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 8: have that term. And so and buy the box. Buy

1292
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 8: the box. You know, when you buy the box, it's

1293
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 8: a box that it's a gift that keeps on giving.

1294
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 8: And so you support your friend, you're a family member,

1295
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 8: but then someone else will be able to get supported

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01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 8: as well as a result of it, because no matter

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 8: where a woman is or a birther is on their

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01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 8: social economic scale, everyone's going through the same thing once

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01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 8: they've given birth right and so connect the mothers, you know, globally,

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 8: be there as a support and you will be more

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01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 8: appreciated by that mom because literally the responses we get

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01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 8: is like, this is the most thoughtful gift that someone

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 8: has given me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, boom, there you go. There you have it, ladies,

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Speaker 4: you know what to do next. Again, Ladies, we want

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Speaker 4: to thank you so much. We appreciate you, and we

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you. Guys.

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Speaker 8: And before we meet again, repeat after me, what's meant

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