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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you. Alan Greenfield with us has been interested

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Speaker 1: in the occult, UFOs, strange animal sightings, paranormal occurrences, and

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Speaker 1: phenomena like shadow people and the real men in Black

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Speaker 1: for most of his life. He's been an active investigator

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Speaker 1: since the early nineteen sixties has traveled the world searching

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Speaker 1: for the truth. Alan has twice been the recipient of

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Speaker 1: the Ufologist of the Year award of the National UFO Conference,

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Speaker 1: and his research and writing have recently senator upon contacting

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Speaker 1: angels and UFOs and beings by being specific occult spells

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Speaker 1: and rituals. Alan, welcome back. Have you been. I've been

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Speaker 1: just fine, George. I'm glad to be here. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you with us, and I'm glad everything's good with

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Speaker 1: you too. With COVID, you never know, well, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: In these troubled times, we may be on the brink

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Speaker 1: of war, you know, not to scare anybody but the

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Speaker 1: alert and uh, you know, with COVID around, I'm spending

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Speaker 1: a lot of time at home. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: you know that that inspires me to do writing and

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Speaker 1: investigation stuff. So it's a mixed blessing if you want to.

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Speaker 1: All it is you're a great writer and we're blessed

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Speaker 1: to have you out there. Allen, thank you. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on you know, the government has been releasing

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Speaker 1: information on UFOs, claiming they don't know quite what they are.

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Speaker 1: They have not come out and said they're extraterrestrials. But

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Speaker 1: what's your take on this entire field these days? Oh well,

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Speaker 1: if we talk about it from the perspective of you know,

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Speaker 1: the the various government programs, beginning with projects signed in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven through Project Grudge interesting name, and through

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Speaker 1: Bluebook and then this Navy investigation, etc. The attempt to

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Speaker 1: change the terminology for a second time. It was changed

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Speaker 1: from flying saucer, which is a newspaper term, to UFO

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Speaker 1: and now this UAP thing a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: going along with it. Actually, that term goes back to

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Speaker 1: the Aerial Phenomenal Research Organization, the late Coral Lorenzen's Club

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Speaker 1: out of Tucson, where yeah, they used that term as

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Speaker 1: early as early nineteen fifties. But the deal with me

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Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of hard to explain otherwise that

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Speaker 1: I don't think the government has anywhere near as much

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Speaker 1: information as the handful of people who are private persons

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Speaker 1: who have been collecting data all over the world for well,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned I've made me sound a lot older than

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Speaker 1: I hope that I am. But since nineteen sixty and

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Speaker 1: following this subject and related things, and I think I

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Speaker 1: know more than the government knows, with the single exception

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Speaker 1: that some of the things that are considered to be

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Speaker 1: UFO cases are developmental weaponry, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about that, and I don't really want to go

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Speaker 1: there too much because if it's there, we probably need it. However,

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Speaker 1: in terms of understanding what the phenomena as such is,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with the government and

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Speaker 1: their programs have been so underfunded. I mean Blue Book

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Speaker 1: was for fifteen years, I think something like that, and

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Speaker 1: it consisted of a middle level officer, an enlisted Air

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Speaker 1: Force person, and a secretary. That's it. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: examined the project we Book files at where they're stored now,

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Speaker 1: and they still have a good handle on what really

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Speaker 1: handful of private investigators have been able to get much

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Speaker 1: closer to the essential truth by by dedication more than

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Speaker 1: anything else. We don't have the money that the government has,

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Speaker 1: but they don't fund UFO research at any high level.

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Speaker 1: They it's a backburner thing, except you know, their pr

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Speaker 1: person who occasionally will defect to the you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a serious issue sort of thing. Al Chop was

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Speaker 1: the classic person that he was, the Pentagon monitor that

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Speaker 1: and the people that are trying to get them to

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Speaker 1: reveal the truth. I think you get the truth more

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Speaker 1: from law than them from them. That's true. Absolutely. You

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Speaker 1: wrote a book in twenty eighteen, and the title has

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Speaker 1: And the people that that put that together really they

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Speaker 1: very high. That the book was I went down to

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Speaker 1: my hometown, Augusta, Georgia. Oh I fall into the accent

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Speaker 1: when I say Augusta. Yeah, no about Augusta. That's where

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Speaker 1: and a lot of things pulled together. The source is complicated,

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Speaker 1: The code comes from the infamous Alistair Crowley's Book of

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Speaker 1: the Law lever All the Legist, which is an occult

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Speaker 1: it was either dictated by a prater human intelligence in

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Speaker 1: His magical son, Frederick cod from Vancouver, Canada, died a

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Speaker 1: been taken to planets that you never heard of with

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Speaker 1: very very strange names, and going all the way back

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Speaker 1: But I decided, okay, I have this lexicon program. It

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Speaker 1: And I used the Lexicon program on Well, the book

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Speaker 1: And the results were always very very on point. That is,

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Speaker 1: they accurate. Well, there's a lot of talk that we're

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Speaker 1: contact alien life forms in other solar systems, if there

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Speaker 1: are any, because they may come here and do what

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Speaker 1: the Spanish did to the Mayans, which is basedically destroy them.

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Speaker 1: And that is the history of advanced technology cultures meeting

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Speaker 1: what they regard as inferior cultures. And then the Miyons

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Speaker 1: bring disease with them. Well, no, the Miyons didn't, but

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Speaker 1: about it. The Spaniards brought pigs to Mexico. Certain percentage

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Speaker 1: native to America, as were horses, as were camels. Surprisingly enough,

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Speaker 1: Europeans got here. But this is where they came from, apparently,

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Speaker 1: culture that called the Mississippian culture, was extremely advanced and

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Speaker 1: we'll go there. It had all these cultures had a big,

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Speaker 1: big interest in the stars, in the seasons. You say, well,

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Speaker 1: they were agricultural people, so of course they were interested

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Speaker 1: these early cultures that were advanced seem to want to

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Speaker 1: know what's going on in outer space. So you can

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Speaker 1: make of that, you know what you will. I think

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Speaker 1: that there were these were very clever people, and they

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Speaker 1: apparently took advice. As Verna von Braun once said to me,

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