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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined

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Speaker 1: us always by our bark. Here is Evan Lazar and

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Speaker 1: Alex bars seem where there's a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of positivity about Mac Jones. All right, I said a

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Speaker 1: lot of positive things.

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Speaker 2: It was the insistence to not acknowledge any of this

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Speaker 2: earlier in the week, a breakdown that was puzzling.

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Speaker 1: A lot of positive things about your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: So where was this on Tuesday? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: Where was that on Tuesday? So you know, look, I

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Speaker 1: I'll a'll admit, I'll admit we're all reactionary to an extent.

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Speaker 1: Tuesday shows are tough for me. They're tough for me

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Speaker 1: because I watched the film on Monday, and I digest

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Speaker 1: on Monday and I write after further review shameless Plug

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Speaker 1: and Kevin and Tuesday, I'm usually hot about something, like

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Speaker 1: I'm usually hot about something, and I'm I don't like

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Speaker 1: myself on Tuesdays. I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to work on that. I'm gonna try to do some

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Speaker 1: some self self scouting. There you go, some self scouting

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Speaker 1: on my Tuesday performance. Anyways, Evan Lazar, Alex Barth, Patriots

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Speaker 1: catch twenty two with you for the next couple hours.

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Speaker 1: We got we got a full two again here today.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be exciting. Call in eight five to five

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Speaker 1: PATS five hundred web radio at Patriots dot com is

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Speaker 1: the email address. Got some good questions in the emails,

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Speaker 1: We'll get to those here at a second. But I

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Speaker 1: also I was really searching for our show to have

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Speaker 1: a little bit more structure. I feel like we ramble,

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Speaker 1: some more more structure to the show to kind of

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Speaker 1: keep us going, you know, on the right in the

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Speaker 1: right order. So we're gonna try not anything like, you know, revolutionary,

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Speaker 1: So don't get too too crazy or too excited, but

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Speaker 1: we're gonna try a little bit of a different approach

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Speaker 1: don't like it, let us know. If you do like it, cool,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do stuzzin duds. That's what we're calling

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Speaker 1: it for now. From the Dolphins game from the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Dolphins or look back as we normally do at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the show, and then we're gonna do key matchups,

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Speaker 1: which is bringing something back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all cool.

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Speaker 1: Back to our Clintic days as we call it around here,

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Speaker 1: where we used to do key matchups every Friday. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring those back for our Jets Patriots Preview is

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Speaker 1: a good way to look at the Jets and the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: But a few things here off the top of the show,

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Speaker 1: A few few thoughts percolating thoughts that I have on

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Speaker 1: this team right now, And I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: starts with the offense. And I don't this was part

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I look at with this

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Speaker 1: they want it to be? I have I think they

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Speaker 1: want it to be tough football team when the line

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Speaker 1: think what the most disappointing part about the first two

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Speaker 1: when people say, like, what's the beIN, Where's Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: made an impact? Statistically it looks similar to last year. YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: I think there are three key areas where Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: has made an impact on this football team already. Number

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Speaker 1: one is I think your quarterback is much more tied

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Speaker 1: together than he was last year when making better decisions,

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Speaker 1: out under pressure. He's one of the better quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: You even say it's maybe a little improved, but it

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Speaker 1: So that's one area. The other area where it's clearly

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Speaker 1: When you talk about like offensive coordinators and offensive coaches

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien has them in a better spot with those things.

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Speaker 1: So with all that said, it's everything in between, right,

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Speaker 1: seventy five yards. Yeah, sixteen plays. That is not a

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Speaker 1: And that's why every defensive coordinator talks about explosives. Every

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Speaker 1: my whole thing all week. And then I'll get your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I think that the biggest thing missing from this offense

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Speaker 1: they gotta get Remandre going. But more important to me

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Speaker 1: When you have receivers that are not particularly dynamic on

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Speaker 2: When you're gonna put dynamic ones on the bench.

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Speaker 1: Sure, and we'll get to that, and you don't have

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Speaker 1: lot of five yard passes, that's the bottom line. So

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Speaker 1: a lot of their completions, which Matt Jones does lead

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Speaker 1: have done. Yeah, And that is a really, really tough

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Speaker 1: that's my whole thing they need. And I put this

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Speaker 1: lot on the fact that they're getting behind so quickly

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Speaker 1: But they need to get the quarterback under center, they

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Speaker 1: need to run the ball downhill, and I need to

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Speaker 2: I think it all goes back to the run game.

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Speaker 2: Everything you just said, I think goes back to their

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Speaker 2: if you want. There's just very little margin forerror right,

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Speaker 2: because you've guys dropping passes, you guys running routes short

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Speaker 2: So I actually think that is probably the best version

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're capable of being consistent

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Speaker 2: I think they they're not right now. I think they

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Speaker 2: to be that guy that just if you give him

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Speaker 2: five yards, he's gonna take that all day. The bigger problem, though,

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Speaker 2: and this is maybe part of the reason that they

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Speaker 2: can't play that consistently right now, is that lack of

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's on the back. So I know

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Speaker 2: some people have talked about Ezekiel Elliott hasn't been great

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they couldn't be better. They could

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Speaker 2: And Evan, don't you know, just catch yourself here, because

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna use a PFF grade if you can believe that,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna use a couple of them here.

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Speaker 1: Whoa for just as we call it around here.

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Speaker 2: All right? For the team to Patriots rushing grade. So

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Speaker 2: this is more on like the backs, yeah, right, than

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Speaker 2: the line. Their rushing grade is eighty point six, that's

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Speaker 2: third in the league. Their run blocking grade thirty nine

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Speaker 2: point one, that's dead last. And I probably didn't need

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Speaker 2: to use the grade to do it, because I'll give

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Speaker 2: you this number two. When the Patriots run between the

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Speaker 2: tackles is here. You want to guess what they're averaging

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Speaker 2: per carriage just between the tackles, can go with three

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Speaker 2: point two yards two point two eight two point three

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Speaker 2: Why would they, right?

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Speaker 2: It's I think it's solid logic. If I'm if I'm

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Speaker 2: That's what I like. There's no shouldn't that be a

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Speaker 2: And I think you needed once you Once you give

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Speaker 1: I do hate it that that's how they have to play,

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Speaker 2: Look it's not I'm not your Your overall point is right.

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Speaker 2: Those are the two big plays.

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Speaker 1: But my whole thing with the with the under center

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Speaker 2: I think they're calling very the plays they're calling, and

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Speaker 2: They've maybe gone a little too far with that and

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Speaker 1: You think that there's this like notion that play action

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Speaker 1: But statistically that doesn't bear out, is what I'm telling you. Like,

435
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Speaker 1: there's no, there's no, it's not like pressure rates rise

436
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 1: when off of under center play action versus in the gun.

437
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: I get that there's differences, like can't see the defense

438
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 1: coming at him if they blitz, he can't see it, like,

439
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: I get all that kind of stuff, but this gets

440
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: to you knowing you're creating conflict in the defense is

441
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 1: what you're doing, right, So naturally those pass rushers ideally

442
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: are now going to pause and be like is it

443
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Speaker 1: a runner? Is it a pass? And that split second

444
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: pause is what's supposed to give you an advantage to

445
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 1: get the football out, except if.

446
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: You can't run the football, that doesn't happen.

447
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: Maybe not, And I think.

448
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: Some of it even more so the turning the head's

449
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: a good point, but I think there's also this fear

450
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 2: of Max going to turn back because it takes longer.

451
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 2: It's an extra mechanic. It's what two extra steps I

452
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Speaker 2: think in a play action, I wonder, so this is

453
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Speaker 2: what I wonder. I wonder, well, like is he just sorry?

454
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 2: Is he going to turn around off that play action? Boom?

455
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 2: Guys right in his face? I hear you.

456
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Speaker 1: So you can? I mean, look, you can five step

457
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Speaker 1: drop off play action. It's usually like those pop passes

458
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Speaker 1: where the tight end is going to just hit a

459
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Speaker 1: cross or right behind the linebackers.

460
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Speaker 2: It's something quick usually with motion.

461
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you can you can five step drop

462
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Speaker 1: off play action. You can't three and you can't like

463
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: shot obviously it's not shotguns, so it's different, but you can,

464
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Speaker 1: like I know you're saying, like a lot of play

465
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 1: actions are like seven step drop, right, Yeah, deeper drops

466
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know, really pull the defense in and then

467
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: like kind of pull them out. The other thing I

468
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Speaker 1: would just say is I wouldn't hate it based off

469
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Speaker 1: of what we've seen so far of Mac Jones throwing

470
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Speaker 1: from outside the pocket and on the move, I wouldn't

471
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 1: hate some moving pockets.

472
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Speaker 2: It's funny. I said that last night on the Sports Hup,

473
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Speaker 2: Like if they want to roll them out a little bit, yeah, designed.

474
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Speaker 1: Because that's what the Shanahan Tree does when their offensive

475
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: line is is not in good shape.

476
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Speaker 2: Well let's not. Let's not go back to Shanahan. But

477
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Speaker 2: I get No, it's a good point.

478
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Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about outside the run tackles and

479
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: like crack toss and things like that. If you run

480
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: a great crack toss a couple times in a row,

481
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: then boot it right, like throw it like fake the

482
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Speaker 1: crack toss and boot him out the other side and

483
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Speaker 1: hit that crossing route you know, over the middle of

484
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Speaker 1: the field. Maybe he has some space to run with

485
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Speaker 1: it or slide the tight end out. You know, got

486
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,959
Speaker 1: two good tight ends. There's different things that you can

487
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: do like that. But I don't want to get too

488
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: bogged down and all. This is no, that's a good point.

489
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Speaker 1: It's not just twenty five minutes to start at the show.

490
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: This was your You texted me last night that I

491
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 2: want to organize the show more like this is gonna

492
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: last like two weeks. Okay, they should roll back out.

493
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: We're doing this, all right, they should roll but three studs,

494
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: three duds. I'm gonna start with the studs because we're positive.

495
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Speaker 1: We're positive today, so we're gonna go to one. We're

496
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Speaker 1: gonna go number one first and then three, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: one through three. All right, Uh so I think we're

498
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Speaker 1: gonna have some overlaps so we maybe don't have to

499
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Speaker 1: go all of ours. But my number one stud from

500
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Speaker 1: this game was Christian Gonzales. Same number one stud from

501
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Speaker 1: this game was Christian Gonzales. I thought it was really

502
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: really cool if you're a Patriots fan. I know people's

503
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: opinions on Tyreek Killer in terms of you know, the

504
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: person or all across the board, but as a football player,

505
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: we can all admit he's top receiver, might be the

506
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: best receiver in the NFL. And to have him go

507
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: on a podcast, I think it's his own podcast and

508
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: talk about how good the rookie corner is from the

509
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: Patriots in his second career game in the NFL. He

510
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: said he could run, said he's got good size and

511
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: length to him, good technique. That was when's the last

512
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Speaker 1: time that we could say that about a Patriots first

513
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: round pick, that opposing teams are saying this kick and

514
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: play like good, Yeah, this guy's good. You have to

515
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: go back aways like maybe like Dante high Tower, like

516
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones draft right, you have to go back a

517
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: long long time. So it's encouraging, it's exciting. I thought

518
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: the pick was you know, I know some people have

519
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: talked about how it was a kind of bad throw

520
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: by to a late throw by two or whatever like it.

521
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: You know, it picks a pick to me anyways. But

522
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Speaker 1: the man coverage reps I thought were the most impressive

523
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: against Tyre Kill just running right with him across the field,

524
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: maintaining his leverage, a swivel hips feet or great, like

525
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: he's just he's impressive. Like the way he moves on

526
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: a football field is tremendous. And the more and more

527
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: he logs into the old computer in the brain, the

528
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: more he sees, the more he can anticipate, the better

529
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: that it's going to get. I was super impressed with

530
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: him against Hill. His film against Hill in the second

531
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Speaker 1: half is tremendous.

532
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Speaker 2: I even think on the interception, Yeah, ball's a duck.

533
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, you look at I meant to ask you

534
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Speaker 2: what coverage you thought that was number two? He's not.

535
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: I don't know if he baited toa or if he

536
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: came off another assignment like it's it was tough for

537
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: me to tell.

538
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: It looked at me like him and Jabriel Peppers switched

539
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: assignments when when Tyreek Hill came in motion, so when

540
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: he motioned, instead of Gonzales like playing the flat, they

541
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: switched and Gabriel played the thrat and he played the

542
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: deep path.

543
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: But he's he's like on the other half of the

544
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Speaker 2: field and that balls thrown.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he got lost a little bit.

546
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Speaker 2: But but but no, But that's and this is part

547
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Speaker 2: of what we talked about when they drafted him. Part

548
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: of the reasons we're encouraging with him as the rookies,

549
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: Like any rookie is gonna get beat. He's gonna be beat,

550
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: get beat, but he has the athleticism to recover. And

551
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: you saw it. He's so far away, not so far away,

552
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: but like he's not really he looked kind of like

553
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy, the way he ranged over that ball and

554
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: got in place.

555
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was a single high. I thought

556
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: they thought they just kind of changed it up and

557
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: put him as opposed to.

558
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: That's what it looked like live. Yeah, right, So to

559
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: see him covers and that's why I like, remember was

560
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: the combine where I came away and I because there

561
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: were all those corners in him and Witherspoon and Porter

562
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: and like then I came away from the combine, I

563
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: was like Christian results, that's the guy.

564
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Speaker 1: It's number one.

565
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was because how fluidly he moves and how

566
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: much ground he can cover so easily. I think people

567
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: don't realize how impresive it was that he because he

568
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: made it look so easy. Yeah, but for him to

569
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: get over box Tyreek Hill out and like he's told

570
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: them Tyreek Kill, but tarry Kill knows what he's doing

571
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: over there, Go up, get the football, all of that

572
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: high level play. He was good the rest of the

573
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: game too, of course, but yeah, I'm I'm really excited

574
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: about what I saw from him.

575
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first two weeks, you go up against

576
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Speaker 1: aj Brown and DeVante Smith and then Tyree Kill in

577
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Speaker 1: week two, and now you're gonna get Garrett Wilson in

578
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Speaker 1: week three.

579
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Speaker 2: It's trial the Wolves.

580
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, right to the Wolves, and I think he's more

581
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: than passed. I think this past week he didn't just pass.

582
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Speaker 1: I think he excelled, Like I think, A plus, really

583
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Speaker 1: impressive stuff from from Gonzo. All Right, who's your number

584
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Speaker 1: two star?

585
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: My number two is Hunter Henry? Me too, all right,

586
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: that we dont have the same freaking list.

587
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: No, we definitely don't, Okay, Yeah, we definitely don't, Okay,

588
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: So number two is Hunter Henry.

589
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just I think that he looks he kind

590
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: of looks like he did in twenty twenty one. He

591
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: looks comfortable, he looks confident. He's that how many times

592
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: I say last year, because they were throwing everything deep

593
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: before Mac got hurt, and then Mac came back and

594
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: they were throwing everything short. Now I'm sitting here screaming

595
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: intermediate intermediate that's where Mac throws the ball to pass.

596
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry has been a great intermediate target for Mac Jones.

597
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: He's getting himself open, he's creating a little bit after

598
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: the catch. I think his route runnings looked really good,

599
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: Like that seems like something, not that it was bad before,

600
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 2: but it's better than it's been. I just he looks

601
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: like they lost to Kobe Myers, right, And I know

602
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 2: they brought in Juju and we thought he's gonna be

603
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: this slock guy Hunter catch, But who's going to be

604
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: that guy that's just a steady presence. And I know

605
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Mac likes Kendrick Bourne and they have a good relationship.

606
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: But Kendrick Bourne's not a volume receiver. That's just not

607
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: the nature of his game. There's nothing wrong with that.

608
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: That's just who he is. Who's going to be the

609
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: steadying presence that when Mac on third and five knows

610
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: he can go to and throw the ball to entrust

611
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: and it Hunter Henry's emerged as that guy. And so

612
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: this is more of like a the first two weeks

613
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: than maybe just that he was good in the Dolphins game,

614
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: but just overall, red zone, third downs all that, he's

615
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: been the guy that stepped up, and I think that's big.

616
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm with you one hundred percent. Hunter Henry number two

617
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: star or stud, I should say, I don't know what

618
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: the hell we're calling this a number two stud. The

619
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: main thing is with Hunter Henry is exactly what you

620
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: just said to me. He's been the only steady, reliable

621
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: guy that's been in the right place when he's supposed

622
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: to be there at the time he's supposed to be there.

623
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I've had really made yeah, I've had really very few,

624
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: you know, jotted dawd notes about like route running, misques

625
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and things like that. And I can tell you I

626
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: have not had the same luck with the other receivers

627
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: on this team. So he has been consistently where the

628
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: quarterback expects him to be all the time, and that

629
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: that's really something every quarterback needs. Every quarterback needs that

630
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: type of relationship on the field with one of their receivers.

631
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: Even if, like you kind of laid out, it's not

632
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: the most explosive receiver on the team or the most dynamic.

633
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: You just have to have somebody that you you can trust,

634
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: you can go to. And I thought the touchdown that

635
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: Mac threw to him on the broken play, like that

636
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: that encapsulates it perfectly. Like that's just totally a feel instinctual,

637
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: second reaction type of play by both the guys and

638
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry just had this like sixth sense that mac

639
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Jones needed him right, like he needed him to like

640
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: get open and get off the block and make and

641
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: run around and find a soft spot. And that's exactly

642
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: what he did. So Hunter Henry number two, who's number three.

643
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: The Special Team's coaching staff.

644
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. I didn't. Yeah, you're right, I

645
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: think I completely neglected that one.

646
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a field goal block, which is a great design,

647
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: just fantastic design. That's something. And I know I'm not

648
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: the first person to have this take. You're gonna start

649
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: seeing that around the league. Maybe not this week, it'll

650
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: take teams a couple of weeks to build it in.

651
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: But it's all the same principles athleticism, timing that came

652
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: with that play of jumping over the center to block

653
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: the field. Remember one team did that and everybody was

654
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 2: doing it right.

655
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: This is out lot right, you can't do it right.

656
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be the new version of that,

657
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: I think. But I also gotta give him credit Chad

658
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: Ryland didn't attempt a field goal pure like in the preseason,

659
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: Like he hadn't attempted a field goal till this week.

660
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: I know it sounds small, might sound stupid, but they

661
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: kept him ready and he hit his kick. And that's again,

662
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: it sounds minor. I promise you it's not as minor

663
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: as it sounds.

664
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: No, I I this is why we make a good

665
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: tandem because you know me, I didn't think about the

666
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: special teams for two seconds when I made my list.

667
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: So even with the field goal, even with the field

668
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: goal block, because you know why, I hate to be

669
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: a wet blank if I'm gonna do it for a second,

670
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: they had a tell on Jake Bailey's but that's coach,

671
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: But like, is that gonna work for the other thirty

672
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: one holders in the league, or if you.

673
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: Can find tells on the other guys. Yeah, they knew

674
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: that he had a tell, but you did, so okay,

675
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: So the jumping over the line one that was also

676
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: predicated on tells, I know.

677
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is is like, yes, they could

678
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: theoretically comb through the film and find a hell on

679
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: all the holders, and YadA, YadA, YadA, But they knew

680
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: going into it. Wasn't like they did that and then

681
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: discovered this about the holder and then made this play.

682
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 2: So my guess would be because they were as familiar

683
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: with Bailey as they were. Yeah, this was the It

684
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: makes it made sense to debut it this week. I

685
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: don't think they only plan to use it in this game.

686
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: I think they planned because, like I, it was it's

687
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: a safer spot to test it because you're more familiar.

688
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: But I would bet they're going through it now. Again.

689
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: I think other teams are doing this too. They're having

690
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: their special teams coaches go through and say, can you

691
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: find a tell on the long snapper, on the holder,

692
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: on the kick or anybody, can you find a tell

693
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: on any of our upcoming opponents where we can run this?

694
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: And the other thing is even if you don't get

695
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: it perfect, so that that second one Schooler comes, he's

696
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: a little bit late, but watch Jason Saunders, so he

697
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: kicks that.

698
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: I said that when it happened live. I think he

699
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: pushed it because of Schooler.

700
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: He will go if you watch the replay, he's looking

701
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: at Schooler when he kicks it. He's not looking at

702
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: the ball push and that's absolutely why you have to

703
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: look eye on the ball right.

704
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: So he pushed it left and score was coming off

705
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: the right and he pushed it left.

706
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely why he missed it. So this is something where

707
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: now I agree again this was the perfect situation to

708
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: run it because of how familiar they were with Bailey.

709
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: But there's you can still It's not gonna have one

710
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: hundred percent hit rate, right, but you can run it

711
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: against other teams if you can find a tel And

712
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, what's there between a block kick and

713
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: a miskick? A block kick you can return back and

714
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: you maybe get more yards. But it's sort of the

715
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: thing that's the difference between an incomplete pass and in

716
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: a sack. You'd rather take the sack, but incomplete pass

717
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: certainly isn't bad. They're gonna bring this back. This was

718
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: not a one off thing. This is going to be

719
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: a thing They're gonna run periodically throughout the year. You're

720
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: gonna see other teams start doing it, and you're gonna

721
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: get mad at me for being caught up in the moment. Yep.

722
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: This is gonna change Special teams a little bit, simply

723
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: because you could see from the beginning they were gonna

724
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: outlaw guys jumping over the center. They were never going

725
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: to let that go. How do you outlaw this?

726
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the thing. Then, I'm glad you brought

727
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: this up because we got an email from a uh

728
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: do I think who wasn't? It was Tim here asking

729
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: about the Dolphins' use of motion, and so I guess

730
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: on the broadcast, Tim said that Zoe, I'm assuming he's

731
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: listening on the radio, said a couple of times that

732
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: he felt like Miami's receivers were moving forward and they

733
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: can't do that, right, You have to be moving parallel

734
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: or backwards. You can't be moving forward towards the line

735
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. This isn't the this isn't the Arena Football League, right, Like,

736
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: you can't you can't do that. So if they're going

737
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: to allow Miami and other teams to keep using wheel motion,

738
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: then how do you outlaw Brandon Schooler's motion? Right? Like,

739
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. You know, it's literally the same thing.

740
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: You've always been able defensive players can move towards the

741
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage at the snap.

742
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But my point is is that you like it's how

743
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: you can't outlaw this? Because this is now a strategy

744
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: that they use on offense as well. So what's the

745
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: argument for keeping it on offense and not calling it

746
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: the way that it's really written in the run?

747
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: So okay, So I think they're different because motion you

748
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: can use. It's that motion that starts trending towards the line.

749
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: That's something that they're just gonna have a point of

750
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: emphasis on. And next year in training camp into the

751
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: first few weeks is going to be a million I

752
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: think that's a legal procedure, whatever that penalty is, and

753
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: that'll get rid of that. This is different. This is

754
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: you can't stop defensive players from moving before the snap,

755
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: I mean, right, or if the offense motions, the defense

756
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: has to be able to adjust, and if they can't,

757
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: if you take offensive motion out, I mean, now we're

758
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: going back to the fifties. As much as I'd love that,

759
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: there's no way and you can say everybody has to

760
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: be lined up in a certain box like I think

761
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: what you're gonna see. My guess is teams start and

762
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: I we need to ask Cam a quarter about this.

763
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: I wonder if field goal formations start looking more like

764
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: punt formations where you have two guys out wide, and

765
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: then as that guy starts coming in the the I

766
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: guess he'd be a gunner. Yeah whatever, he would be

767
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: starts coming in and with them. Yeah, but there's you

768
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: can't it was. It just will be interesting to see.

769
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: Like let's take the Jets for instance, they just they

770
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: just saw the Patriots unveil this motion on Sunday.

771
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Well, and their kickers hurt.

772
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, let's just say like they see it, yea,

773
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: do they have a wrinkle in their protection now on

774
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: the field goal block because they know that this is coming.

775
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Because I like, to your point, and I agree one

776
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent, Saunders missed the second kick. So even if

777
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: you don't block it, it's still going to impact the

778
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: kicker in some way, shape or form if it's happening.

779
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden you need to tell

780
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: the kicker, hey, like we have it blocked, Like don't

781
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: you know we were accounting for it, So don't get

782
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: it in your head. Like That's sort of the things

783
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: that I wonder about is like, do you like, kind

784
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: of to your point, do we start seeing different blocking

785
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: schemes to try to combat this that's not just your

786
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: traditional blocking scheme, Like we always have seen for one

787
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: hundred years.

788
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, I just for the Jets game on top of it,

789
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: because again Greg Zerlin was practiced. Yet today it's gotta go. Well,

790
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: I think it's a groin injury. I wonder if this

791
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 2: is one of those games where the Jets just don't kick. Yeah,

792
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: and they go for two and they get aggressive. But no,

793
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: to your point, like, this is what's so fun about

794
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: the game, and it exists. This is part of the

795
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: reason I really like special teams because I think offensive

796
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: defense if the boundaries have been pushed pretty far. Yeah,

797
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: there's revolutionary things here and there, but like this is

798
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: this is brand new, and now it's how do teams

799
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: adjust to it? And then how does the field once

800
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: once there's an adjustment for it, because somebody will come

801
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: up with an adjustment, well like fire or six teams

802
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: will come up with an adjustment, one or two will

803
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: catch on. Then does the defense just completely go away

804
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: from it or do they counter back and all of that,

805
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: and it's this is now eleven guys blocks, so like

806
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: if you are really nine guys right, so if you

807
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: start to protect the edge a little bit more because

808
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: of this motion, then all of a sudden up the

809
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: middle becomes vulnerable right chest match, and I think it's

810
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: it is fun. This is gonna be something to watch

811
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: all year.

812
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 4: Now.

813
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: This is the one thing that makes special teams cool.

814
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll you you nailed it with with

815
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: the special teams. I should have had that as my

816
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: number three. But I'll get to my number three in

817
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: a second. I guarantee you that there is some crazy,

818
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: ridiculously good high school coach or high school program that

819
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: did this first, and we'll like we'll find out eventually,

820
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: like who is the because that's where all this stuff

821
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: comes from. No, so stuff comes from like high school

822
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: or some ridiculous like small college somewhere.

823
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: Matthew Slater said yesterday Monday, He's asked about it Monday

824
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: after the game. Yeah, he said they tried this like

825
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: ten years ago and they could never get it to

826
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: work to the point where they wanted to put it

827
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: in a game because of the timing. Because of the timing,

828
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: And he talked about how Schooler just like physically he's

829
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: unique the way Slater talked about it right the way,

830
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: and he's flexible. The way Slater talked about it kind

831
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: of made it sound like he was the guy. Yeah,

832
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, but this is something and

833
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: I don't know where they got it from ten years ago,

834
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: but Joe Judge was Cureah, this is something that I

835
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 2: think they had in their pocket for a long time.

836
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: They because teams do this, and I would we'd never

837
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: get the access for this. Maybe it'd have to be

838
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: a retired coach, but I'd love to go to a

839
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: coach some day and be like, what some of the

840
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: stuff you experimented with in practice that never made us

841
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: the game? Yeah? Right, because for all the crazy stuff

842
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: we see them do, tackle eligible against the Ravens and

843
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: all that.

844
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: And if they turn this season around and then we

845
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: have like some sort of documentary about this season, which

846
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I think is a pretty far fact. But I'm just like,

847
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: this is one of those things like the Malcolm Butler

848
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: interception that ends up going right in the documentary.

849
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: Well no, but it's a little different. I remember hearing,

850
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: and I know you don't want to spend more time

851
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: on this guy. It's interesting I heard this from a

852
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: college coach. I don't know if it's the same in

853
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: the NFL, the like different stuff they try, like that

854
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: stuff that's like going around the rule, not around the rules,

855
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: but like pushing the rules through boundary and things like that.

856
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: Because they had tried this team I was covering at

857
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: the time, they had done some really interesting trick plays

858
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: on offense and on special teams. And he said, oh yeah,

859
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: that's less than half. We had a bunch of other

860
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: things we practiced that worked in theory, but for one

861
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: reason or another, we just couldn't get them to work.

862
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: So how many other and I honestly I meant to

863
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: bring this take up last year with the Marcus Jones stuff.

864
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: How many other things are they trying fake field goals,

865
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: fake punts, gadget plays, things like that that just never

866
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 2: make it out of practice. Because this is one. If

867
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: they don't get Brandon school if they don't sign Brandon

868
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Schooler last year, who knows, maybe we never know this

869
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: thing ever existed, But they tried this ten years ago

870
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: and it just never worked. So I'd be really interested

871
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: to he one hear about kind of how it worked

872
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: ten years ago. And two I would love to have

873
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: to be truth here and Bill Belichick right, what are

874
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: some of the other trick plays? And honestly, the umbrella

875
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: coverage with the safeties is another one that's a brand

876
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: new thing. How much like how many? How many times

877
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: have they tried something like that? That just never that

878
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: just never saw the light of day, and so we

879
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: don't know.

880
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I gave you your I gave you your your

881
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: your ten minutes on that. What was your third up,

882
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: Mac Jones? Yeah, he was Gonnat Mac Jones' is my

883
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: third up?

884
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Mac was gonna be mine, But I knew you wouldn't

885
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: do the special team, so I figured I'd to take

886
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: care of it.

887
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: Mac was my third up. I know that Devanta Parker

888
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: interception was was not one of his best moments, but

889
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: I thought in this game he consistently made plays both

890
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: in the pocket and instructure and out of structure, which

891
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: is not something that we've normally seen from him, especially

892
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: the second one in structure. Though, I thought that he

893
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: was his normal self, you know, making good decisions, quick

894
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: decisions with the ball. For the most part, I manipulation,

895
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: making the right decision, making the right read patients in

896
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: the pocket, poison the pocket under pressure. The throw that

897
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: he made to Devonte Parker in the second half with

898
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: anticipation while staring down the barrel is as good as

899
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: a throw I've seen him make in a couple of years,

900
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: like probably since his rookie season, and then you start

901
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: to talk about the off script stuff. Yeah, and those

902
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: were some of the best quarterback plays I've seen him

903
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: make in his career, you know, the touchdown pass. And

904
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 1: we went back and forth on this on Tuesday on PU.

905
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I am of the thinking that that touchdown pass to

906
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry is like an excellent play by Mac Jones.

907
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: Some people are like, well, I don't want to see

908
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: him do that, and might say some people, I mean, Perulo,

909
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him do that because he

910
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have the arm strength and it might get picked off,

911
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: you know what, like something times guys like the quarterback's

912
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: got to go make a play. Like That's what I've

913
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: been clamoring for with Mac is like, Okay, I know

914
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: he can hit you know the route, you know the

915
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: eight yard in breaker in structure when it's on time

916
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: and they get receiver gets open, the protection holds, and like,

917
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: I know he can do all that, But when s

918
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: hits the fan and he's got to run around a

919
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: little bit and make a play, can he do it?

920
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: And that touchdown pass to Hunter Henry was exactly that

921
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: the throw to Juju. Both rows to Juju in scramble

922
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: mode where exactly that.

923
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Honestly, that Kasiki one wasn't far off either.

924
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: No, that he's throwing back. He threw that went back

925
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: across his body. Yeah, that was one of the better throws.

926
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: I even tried to see him attempt. Yeah, you know

927
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, I know he didn't hit it.

928
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm not doing the Patrick Mahomes thing where we get

929
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: all excited about incomplete passes. But the fact that he's

930
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: even now thinking about trying to attempt those types of

931
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: throws they'll hit it like it eventually they'll hit And

932
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I think that that's really encouraging. So all in all,

933
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: if they get mac Jones to play like that and

934
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe put the Devonte Parker interception in his back pocket

935
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: instead of throwing that pass against Zavian Howard, like, please

936
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: do not throw that against Sas Gardner on Sunday. Outside

937
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: of that, I think that if they can get mac

938
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Jones to play the way he did on Sunday, that's

939
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: winning football. I think he made plenty of winning plays

940
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: and I was really encouraged by him.

941
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: So this is I had this take last year and

942
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: I had to pocket it because the offense fell apart.

943
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: But I'm bringing you back mac Jones playing at the

944
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: level he's at right now. Yes, And I don't think

945
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: he's been perfect. He could be better, but he's been

946
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: pretty good. Yeah. If mac Jones level of play was

947
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: their biggest issue right now, where is this team through

948
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: two weeks.

949
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I still don't love the Eagles game for him. I'm

950
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: still gonna stay out, okay, but if that.

951
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Is the biggest if him throwing for three hundred yards

952
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: and three touchdowns.

953
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: But to me, it's not about the box score.

954
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: I mean, we did this the last time, okay, But

955
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if mac Jones playing at this level,

956
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: that was their biggest problem. Yeah, take all the problems

957
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: bigger than that, and those things are going fine. We're

958
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: talking about them pushing Buffalo for the.

959
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but we're I think we're

960
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: we're talking.

961
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 2: Well, Buffalo's regression is part of that take too.

962
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: But at the very least they're one and one, right,

963
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: I think. I think so Mac Jones that you know,

964
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: do you like QBR I forget, I don't remember. You're

965
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: you're you're always anti anti any stats. So I don't

966
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: know which one.

967
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean, anti you any stat that's not tangible.

968
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 1: Okay, So KBR is a better vision than passer rating.

969
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: That's what it all all it is.

970
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love it. I I get passer ratings flawed.

971
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: So just at its core, QBR's idea is that it's

972
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: rating the quarterback and a on a one to one

973
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: hundred scale.

974
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: I do like that. It's out of one hundred and

975
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: it's at.

976
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: A win probability.

977
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 5: Right.

978
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: So the the idea is if your quarterback plays exactly

979
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: like this, Yeah, what percentage of games would you win

980
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: with that quarterback play? That's the idea of the stat. Okay,

981
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: last week against Miami, Mac Jones's QBR sixty three point four. Yeah,

982
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: so that right, they would win sixty three percent of

983
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: the games if the quarterback, which.

984
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: Is I'm not gonna do math on the air. What

985
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: what's what math is there? That's a ten and seven season.

986
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that.

987
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: I'll get you in the playoffs.

988
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 6: Right.

989
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: So Mac played fine? Yeah, better than fine? Fine, And

990
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: that's right, you win more than not. I don't know

991
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: that he's going to go out and win you any games.

992
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: In your defense sucks, but if he plays that way,

993
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: you'll win more not that's about right.

994
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I didn't know.

995
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know that win percentage thing was tied into QBR.

996
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: I thought he was just a great on one of

997
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: one hundred. Actually like it better with that. That's an

998
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: interesting st Yeah.

999
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: But that's that's the idea of the stat is. You know,

1000
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: fifty would be like a coin f that's like the

1001
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: ESPN QBR. Okay, so I knew like fifty was average,

1002
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, the average quarterback. I didn't know that that

1003
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: win percentage. That actually makes me like it more. Okay,

1004
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: let's go to the phones and then we'll get to

1005
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: the duds. Hopefully these people hung on for us. What's up?

1006
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: Patty still there?

1007
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 7: Of course I hung on for you.

1008
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. We always do this. What's up?

1009
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: All right?

1010
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 7: So I have kind of a weird question, and it's

1011
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 7: regarding the Patriots Jets game and how they're going to

1012
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 7: cover Garrett Wilson's and guys of the X's.

1013
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 8: And those guys.

1014
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 7: I'm sure that you could probably answer it and tell

1015
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 7: me if I'm well, I already know I'm dumb, So

1016
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 7: don't worry about answering that. So in basketball, they have

1017
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 7: sort of like a like a box in one coverage

1018
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 7: where they cover one guy manna man and they play

1019
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 7: zone across, you know for the rest of the four guys.

1020
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 7: Is there a type of coverage like that in the NFL?

1021
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 7: And if there is, you see them playing that type

1022
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 7: of coverage on Garrett Wilson, like manning them up with

1023
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: Christian Zales and playing zones everywhere else.

1024
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question, Patty, and the answer is,

1025
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: of course yes, and thanks for the call. Uh So,

1026
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, really the Seahawks. I don't want to say

1027
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: that they invented the coverage because they probably didn't. It's

1028
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: probably been around probably high Score the Seahawks. Well, I

1029
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: think it'd probably been around in the NFL too, But

1030
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: the Seahawks popular eye the coverage. It's called Cover three

1031
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: Mabel and Cover three Mabel. The X receiver, which was

1032
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, was man coverage. He had Richard Sherman had

1033
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: the X the backside receiver, and man coverage. The rest

1034
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: of the defense played Cover three zone. So that that

1035
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: that's out there, you know, I don't the Patriots probably

1036
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: play it. It's kind of hard to like tell if

1037
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: it's exactly like if that's it every single time without

1038
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: knowing the call, but that that's the coverage that Seattle

1039
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: basically coined and played a lot of in the Legion

1040
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: of Boom Days, and a lot of it was obviously

1041
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: because they had a guy like Sherman that could go

1042
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: out and play man to man against the outside guys.

1043
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: I think, whether it's exactly cover through Mabel or not,

1044
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: that philosophy of we're gonna take this guy out of

1045
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 2: the game one on one, yeah, and then we're gonna

1046
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: play the rest of the thing ten on ten over

1047
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: here where that's through Mabel, whether that's through you know,

1048
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: single man on one side and man with help on

1049
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: the other. However you want to qualify it like that,

1050
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 2: that is the game plan here. You used Chrishigan Zolz

1051
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: to take out hopefully yeah, to take out Garrett Wilson yep.

1052
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: And then it's especially with how banged up they were

1053
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: at Corner. I think they could get more creative if

1054
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: they but Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, where are they at?

1055
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: I think they might get Jonathan Jones back then, Okay,

1056
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: but it's still they're still banged up. I think it's

1057
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: still that thing of all right, Christian Zalz is gonna

1058
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: take out Garrett Wilson and then we're just gonna go

1059
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: over here and we're just gonna flood coverage on Alan

1060
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: Lazard and force him to throw.

1061
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: To the Randall Cobb played a lot last week.

1062
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 2: We'll just force him to throw it like tertiary options

1063
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: for him to throw the tight end for hisman checked down.

1064
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: Things like that.

1065
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 7: I do.

1066
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna spin the dial though, They're gonna throw some

1067
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: exotic coverages out there because they're gonna just want to

1068
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: get Zach Wilson a blender.

1069
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think the last thing here that

1070
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: I find interesting with this whole conversation is I thought

1071
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: in Week one they mostly played sides with Christian Gonzalez,

1072
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: and if it was a J Brown, it was aj Brown,

1073
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: If it was Davonte Smith, it was Devonte Smith. But

1074
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: he kind of just played the left cornerback spot. This

1075
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: week or last week, they they did in the second

1076
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: half because Marcus Jones and Jonathan Jones were out, they

1077
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: had him shadow Tyreek a little bit more. At what

1078
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: point I wonder is do they look at it hello Tamara,

1079
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: Uh and say.

1080
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Speaker 2: What do you what do you do it? She left

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00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: your phone charger?

1082
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: I see he just threw me off.

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Speaker 2: Somebody screen grabbed that. Please.

1084
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Speaker 1: Actually I have it on my computer here anyways. By Tamara.

1085
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: The Christian Gonzales thing I find is interesting. At what

1086
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: point did the coaching staff say, you know what, I

1087
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: think you can do it, like you know, like I

1088
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: we we really want to play man to man in

1089
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: this game, or we want to, you know, take out

1090
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. Obviously it's priority number one. I think we

1091
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: have a number one corner that can do it. Like

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00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: week one, I didn't think that they felt that way.

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00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: Week two. I think that they were kind of forced

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00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: into it more in the second half, but they initially

1095
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: they did not feel that way. I think that was

1096
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: not The game plan was for Christian Gonzales to take

1097
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. But at what point do they say Christian

1098
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is good enough. We've seen enough evidence to suggest

1099
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: that he can. You know, it's it's the old Stefan

1100
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: Gilmour Durell Reeves ty Law plan right like you got

1101
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and we'll worry about everybody else. Like I

1102
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: do think We're we're getting there. I don't want to

1103
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: put the rookie in that spot three weeks in and

1104
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: say like, oh, you you need to do this, but

1105
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: I think we're slowly getting there. All right, let's get

1106
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: back to the phones. John is in Louisiana. What's up, John?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

1108
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: What's up y'all?

1109
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Speaker 8: Hey?

1110
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Speaker 4: Hey?

1111
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: I was going into two questions, but about their ring games,

1112
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 3: do you think he is getting like, you know, a

1113
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: run block and then uh, thanks and stuff like that.

1114
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thanks for the call. John, appreciate that as always. Uh,

1115
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: Juju just in general, this was part of my my duds,

1116
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: So this kind of does sequence a little bit. It's

1117
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: not about Juju specifically. Uh, do I think that the

1118
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: run games. I think what definitely hurts Juju is the

1119
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: lack of like schemed open to receivers that's going on

1120
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Speaker 1: right now. That's sort of my way of putting it.

1121
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: I think that's oversimplifying it. But in general, I don't

1122
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: think that Juju has no pun intended like the juice

1123
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: anymore to just like get open on a route like

1124
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: maybe he did a couple of years ago, but in

1125
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Speaker 1: terms of like skimming him open on an inbreaker off

1126
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: of play action or off an RPO or something like that.

1127
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: I think that's how you can help him get into

1128
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: the open field a little bit. They did in Week one.

1129
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: Remember they ran that like high low crossing concept and

1130
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: they hit him on the little drag route and he

1131
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: ended up running for like fifteen yards after the catch. Like,

1132
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: little things like that I think can really help Juju

1133
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know about the run game, like

1134
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: run blocking, like maybe that could get him into the

1135
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: game a little bit, but I don't know if it's

1136
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: necessarily something that's gonna like unlock Juju. But the play

1137
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: action stuff might I think that that could help him?

1138
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: Should? I mean, he's the kind of player that it

1139
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: would help.

1140
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: All Right, Matthews in Wisconsin?

1141
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: What's up?

1142
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: Matthew?

1143
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 5: Hey?

1144
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 6: Can you hear me? Yes, A long time listen time

1145
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 6: caller question here? So what's the team starting off? Own two?

1146
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 6: And I feel like the general consensus is relatively negative,

1147
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 6: But I mean, looking at you know, two top five

1148
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 6: teams in the NFL, you know what's our what's our playoff?

1149
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 6: You know aspirations looking like here with potentially starting off

1150
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 6: one and three or hopefully two and two.

1151
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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call. And for listening. Matthew appreciate it.

1152
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: So playoffs. It's always so early to talk about the

1153
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: playoffs in week three, but I do think that there

1154
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: are more wins on the schedule if they start to

1155
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: turn things around here that maybe we didn't think we're

1156
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: there when we go into the season. This is why

1157
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: I always hate, like when people ask about records before

1158
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: the season starts, not because I dislike you people, but

1159
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: because it's so hard to know what's going to happen

1160
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: over the course of a season. You've already lost Aaron Rodgers.

1161
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: I think the preseason hype for like a team like

1162
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh for example, I don't know if they're necessarily living

1163
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: up to that hype right now, like maybe they start

1164
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: to find the footing as well, But in general, you

1165
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: look at that game down the road, maybe that's something

1166
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: that they can win now that maybe was more of

1167
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: a coin flip game before the season started. I still

1168
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: like your chances against the Commanders. I still like your

1169
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: chances against the Colts the Saints. I think I have

1170
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: a really good defense, but I think that offensively, the

1171
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 1: Patriots are gonna be able to limit Derek Carr, especially

1172
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: if Alvin Kamaraz not back for that game, which I

1173
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: don't think he will be, so in general, that's like

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00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: six wins right there, right that I just kind of

1175
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: listed off. And I know Pittsburgh I think is maybe

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00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a coin flip than some

1177
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: of those other ones. But you start talking about five

1178
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: or six Pencilson wins, and then maybe you do win

1179
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: some of these coin flip games against you know, a

1180
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: division opponent, or you know, some of the out of

1181
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: conference games that they have still or whatever. Like, you know,

1182
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: maybe you do win some of these games to get

1183
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: a or nine. I don't know. That's just me talking

1184
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: myself into it as a good team employee right there.

1185
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes back to something I said last week.

1186
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: If you look at this star in a bubble, Yeah,

1187
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: just a team, a young team that played this way

1188
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: the first two weeks against the teams they played, you

1189
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: would we would generally look at that and say, hey,

1190
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: this is encouraging. They haven't won, but the mistakes are fixable,

1191
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: and if they round them out, this is a team

1192
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: that should be in the conversation when we get to December.

1193
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: The problem is, that's the exact same thing we've said

1194
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: the last two years. It's in context of the last

1195
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: three years, last well, twenty twenties, it's on kind of

1196
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: same last two years, two or three years have you

1197
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 2: want to look at, but it's like, that's fair, okay,

1198
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: if you want to count twenty twenty. For the last

1199
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: three years, we've basically sat there at the beginning of

1200
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: the year and said, hey, this looks pretty promising. If

1201
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: they can just clean up some of these self inflicted mistakes,

1202
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: they'll be I don't know they're gonna win the super Bowl,

1203
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: but like they're a playoff team, they'll be good to go.

1204
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: If this team doesn't shoot itself in the foot, it's

1205
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: one and one, if not two and zero right now,

1206
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: and we're talking about them as a playoff team. It's

1207
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: just a matter of do you, as the observer that

1208
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 2: that paradox or not paradox?

1209
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: Don't do don't do philosophy.

1210
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently I got I I saw in the comments.

1211
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: I got Schrodinger's cat wrong. I apologize, but it's basically

1212
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: as a fan, how you got it right? I saw, No,

1213
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess. Trusting YouTube comments, Yeah.

1214
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: That's my that's my trust.

1215
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: Trusting YouTube comments. Strong Uh. The point being, are you,

1216
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: as a fan and this kind of goes to how

1217
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 2: much you trust below Brian Adrian Klem Are you as

1218
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: a fan willing to give them the benefit of the

1219
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: doubts that they can clean it up? If you think

1220
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: that this year's coaching staff is head over heels beyond

1221
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: what they've had the last few years, and no, this

1222
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: is it's not McDaniels, it's not Patricia Like they will

1223
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 2: get this fixed. Then there is a lot to be

1224
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: encouraged about at this point.

1225
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: Is there is is there a chance and not to

1226
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: cut you off, but like just a point further point,

1227
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: is there a chance that this is the opposite of

1228
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: the last couple of years and they start slow but

1229
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: they finished fast? And then that like that's the way

1230
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: to talk yourself.

1231
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: So that and and I think there are if this

1232
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: was any team in any year, forget that it's the

1233
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: Patriots and all of that. If you're just looking at

1234
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: a young team that starts this way, I think you

1235
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: would look at it and say, hey, yeah, they're not

1236
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: winning now, but they're dangerous. Yeah. I don't want to

1237
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: face this team in December when they get some of

1238
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: this stuff figured out. No, but I'm saying like that,

1239
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 2: that is what that is. That's certainly a way to

1240
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: look at it. And if you're looking at that way,

1241
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: you're not wrong, but you just have to admit that

1242
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: you're asking for something that they haven't proven they can

1243
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: do over the last three years. If anything, it's the opposite.

1244
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: But to your point, like, yeah, there is a chance

1245
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: of that, because that's how this team, a team that's

1246
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: built like them, especially a team that wants to play

1247
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: smash mouth football. Yet late in the year, these teams

1248
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: generally come on strong as the year goes on, but

1249
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: they've been bad after Thanksgiving the last three years. Do

1250
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: you trust them to buck that trend? This year's to it?

1251
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: This year is going to be the year. Or they

1252
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: start slow but they finish well at post Thanksgiving and

1253
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: they sneak in Well.

1254
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: Well, I will say, if we're gonna have this conversation,

1255
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: so you give me a record for them post Thanksgiving?

1256
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: Oh God, what they need to happen? I remember part

1257
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: of the schedule.

1258
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 2: Well no, I'm saying, like, not this. What do they

1259
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: need to have their own two? What do they need

1260
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: to post Gas six? They play the Giants the Sunday

1261
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: after thanks. They won two, three, four, seven seven. It's

1262
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: like hand schedule.

1263
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: I think they need to go five and two.

1264
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So they play the Jets, that's one win. Yep.

1265
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: You are looking for four wins between the Giants.

1266
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: That could be a way. Okay, so there's two, but

1267
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: that's it's in the middle Lands, it's on the rock. Okay,

1268
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: But I mean they got their door kicked in Cardinals.

1269
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: All right, there's two yeah Chargers here. That should be

1270
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: a win based on their history against the Chargers. It's

1271
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty big mismatch in terms of offensive fires.

1272
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: But it has been the last two times they played

1273
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: the gas well, yeah, but they paid. They played a

1274
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: rookie justin Herbert. Right, No, but then they played me.

1275
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: They played twice.

1276
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: Oh, I played them in twenty one twenty one put

1277
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: them again.

1278
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, but you know what, maybe Brandon Staley

1279
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: isn't there anymore. So we won't call that a win

1280
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: because Brandon Steely. I think that that game looks a

1281
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: lot better Giants, yep, but we won't come Chargers Steelers

1282
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: there on Thursday.

1283
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Nights because of the short weeks. That's tough. But they

1284
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: beat the Steelers last year. Now it was with Trubisky,

1285
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: not Pickett, and it was with that botched punt return

1286
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: from Gunner. Oh remembers Chiefs here, but Chiefs at the Broncos,

1287
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: at the Bills, At the Broncos and then the Jets.

1288
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: I think at the Broncos is doable, and then Jets

1289
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: at home is doable.

1290
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: At Giants. I'm talking at Giants home versus Chargers, at

1291
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: Steelers home versus Chiefs, at Broncos, at Bills verse Jets.

1292
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 2: You need four wins. You need four you were looking for, no, sorry, five? Yeah,

1293
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: you need five wins from those seven games.

1294
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think it's possible the Giant.

1295
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: I don't think the Giants are very good.

1296
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: I think Giants, Chargers, Steelers, Broncos, Bills, Jets are winnable games.

1297
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: That's six there. But this team doesn't. I thought the

1298
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Dolphins was a winnable game too.

1299
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so well, speaking of that, let's get into the duds,

1300
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: because this is why they didn't win the game. Yes,

1301
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: the duds. Yes, my number one dud for the Patriots

1302
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: is coaching, just in general, just general statement coaching. I

1303
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: get you know, you gave the special team spiel and

1304
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: you're right, they're absolved for one week. I again, we

1305
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: got into it a lot in the beginning of the show,

1306
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: so I don't want to be repetitive about the offense

1307
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: and under center versus the gun, and just yeah, I

1308
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: thought they were overreactionary to the game flow in this game.

1309
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: I thought, seventeen to three in the early second quarter

1310
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: should not be this death sentence to your game plan

1311
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: where you have to just spread it out and start

1312
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: chucking the ball.

1313
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 2: And not in the modern NFL.

1314
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1315
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: It might have been years ago, but it's not now. Right.

1316
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: So I thought that they were a little overreactionary to them.

1317
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: And what really irked my my gears, what really grind

1318
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: my gears was that first possession of the second half.

1319
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: First possession of the second half, they go nine yards

1320
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: to Remandra Stevenson on a cracked toss. They go four

1321
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: yards Mac Jones QB sneak. For some reason, they had

1322
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: to sneak it to get the one.

1323
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: Yard for the push push another play that they can't

1324
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: You can't make it illegal.

1325
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: It's just here to stay. Third play of the of

1326
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: the drive was that out to you quick out to

1327
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker where he actually made a guy miss and

1328
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: gained nine yards again, So that puts us a second

1329
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: and one at the plus forty two second one of

1330
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: the plus forty two for thirty one other teams in

1331
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: the league is a shot play down, right yeah, play action,

1332
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: play action. They ran three successful plays from under center

1333
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: to get to that point. So you've already shown the

1334
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: under center stuff, right, yeah, that's a shot play down.

1335
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: What do they do? They run Remandre up the gut.

1336
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I think he could have gotten the first down. I

1337
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: think it was a little bit of a bad vision

1338
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: scenario for him, but in general, it what like push

1339
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: the envelope a little bit. Then at third and one,

1340
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: we know they run. They run the damn toss on

1341
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: third and one and Calvin Anderson and Faroh Brown get

1342
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: their wires crossed and nobody picks up Javon Holland and

1343
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: then they're punting. That sequence right there, I thought was

1344
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: conservative play and bad play calling to a t.

1345
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: I didn't like it.

1346
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: I still don't like the way they run the football.

1347
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent with you on the gun runs.

1348
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: We can fire those to the sun. Why they're still

1349
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: trying to run duo and inside zone and be that

1350
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: sort of team, like a McVeigh, not really a Shanahan team,

1351
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: but like I'm more of the more McVeigh with duo

1352
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: and inside zone. I have no clue. I have no

1353
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: idea what happened to the pulling guards. I have no

1354
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: idea why they hate full backs now. I hate it.

1355
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated by it.

1356
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: Oh you missed the full back, I missed the full back?

1357
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: Big and what the full back?

1358
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 6: What? Like?

1359
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: What did what did Yakub Johnson do to outlaw the

1360
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: full back here?

1361
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 8: They?

1362
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is they did a little

1363
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: bit in eleven. The biggest thing is is sure like

1364
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be Zeke, but like, can Farah

1365
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: Brown play some fullback? He's a good blocking ight and

1366
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: I think you play some full back. The biggest thing

1367
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: is is that they've tried and I know everybody just

1368
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: poo poos everything from last year because of Matt Patrice

1369
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: and I hear you, and we did that on this

1370
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: show plenty. But the bottom line is is that they

1371
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: tried to change the run scheme last year. They've tried

1372
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: to change the run scheme this year, and they're not it.

1373
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: It hasn't worked either time. So can we just call

1374
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: up Dante, get them on the damn phone, say how

1375
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: do we teach gap again? And let's run some freaking

1376
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: gap and get downhill on some teams. It's crazy, it's

1377
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: out It's outlandish to me that they just keep on

1378
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: trying to run duo all the time, which is just

1379
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: the double teams at the line of scrimmage and you

1380
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: insert the tight end. Usually that's how McVeigh does it.

1381
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: That's how they've tried to do it. The problem is

1382
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: is that you have nothing getting to the second level right,

1383
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: Like nobody's climbing off of these concepts, and you're just

1384
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: because they can't right, and you're just it's just a

1385
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: muddied mess. So what I would like to see going

1386
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: into this game is can we please get a double

1387
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: team and a pulling guard. That's all I want. Double

1388
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: team somebody like you know, have Trent Brown and Cole

1389
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: Strange get on a double team. Have on WHENU and

1390
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: David Andrews get on a double team, move the line

1391
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: of scream image, pull the guard through, and let's get downhill.

1392
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: Because then what happens, Alex, You pull the guard and

1393
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: now it's play action. Right, and you get the linebackers

1394
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: to jump off the polar and you get that those

1395
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: routes behind the linebackers. They've completely tried to reinvent this

1396
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: running scheme and it's it's garbage. It's garbage. Just stop it.

1397
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: Stop it with the gun runs with two hundred and

1398
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: twenty five pound running backs, I don't get that. You

1399
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: have this battering ram of a running back in Remondra

1400
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: Stevenson and you're running him on inside zone from the gun.

1401
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't work.

1402
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: Or I meant to bring this up, brother, when we're

1403
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: talking about the issue with the run game. If you're

1404
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: gonna run these concepts that are predicated on the running

1405
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: back getting.

1406
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: To the edge as quick as possible, Yeah, why is

1407
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: Tome Montgomery here? Well, so this is this is the

1408
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: other part of this rant that I wanted to go

1409
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: on too. The guy that they had on this roster

1410
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: that could run the gun runs successfully. They traded for

1411
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: a backup tackle in August, third tackle. They traded for

1412
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: four string tackle because he didn't even get in the

1413
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: game on Monday. Guess Darian Lowe played over him.

1414
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: If Daring low wasn't bad, I just want to throw

1415
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: that out there. He wasn't.

1416
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: He wasn't. But the that's not the point. The guy

1417
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: that was support that they traded. The one fast running

1418
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: back they had on this roster that could run from

1419
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: sped formations is Pierre Strong who's in Cleveland now.

1420
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: He had a touchdown.

1421
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: Okay, it's just this run scheme doesn't work. It doesn't work,

1422
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: it's not helpful. Please get rid of it, Please get downhill.

1423
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: Thank you defensively, because they're in my least.

1424
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: Let let uh time ont Gomery run the ball a

1425
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: little bit, put him in their running back or just

1426
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: put him in a running I want to see more

1427
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: on off He's played ten offensive snaps all year.

1428
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: I agree with you the time Montgomery would be helpful,

1429
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: and given I was that your whole thing on the coach,

1430
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: on your defense. Okay, because I have a thing on

1431
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: the coaching too, but you finished the defense or my

1432
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: cross hairs too. I thought the defensive game plan last

1433
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: last week on Sunday Night against the Dolphins was garbage hot,

1434
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: garbage oh against against the Dolphins. Yeah, okay, because he

1435
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: loved the Eagles game, Plantews, No Dolphins, we're talking about

1436
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: the Dolphins game. I would be talking about the Eagles.

1437
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: You said last week, out of hot garbage, hot garbage,

1438
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: throw it in the can and light it on fire.

1439
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: This is your three safety thing that, like people were

1440
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: trying to say, was innovative. You played prevent defense. You

1441
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: came out in Madden Prevent cool. You lined up eight

1442
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: yards off the line of scrimmage and against a quarterback

1443
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: that really doesn't have a great arm. It's fine to

1444
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: his arms. Fine, His arm talent's average. He doesn't have

1445
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: a Josh Allen Justin Herbert Patrick Mahomes arm cannon. He's

1446
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: not a big throw quarterback. I get that you wanted

1447
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: to limit explosive plays. You handed them eight yards every

1448
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: single time they snapped the ball, every single time they

1449
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: snapped the ball. And all Mike McDaniel did was he

1450
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: looked at it and he said, wait a second. You

1451
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: guys have three safeties deep. You're playing the light box,

1452
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: and you have nobody on the edges. So I'm just

1453
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna run sweeps and tosses to the edge, and I'm

1454
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna run curl flat the entire game off of RPOs

1455
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: to the to the boundary, and you can't stop it

1456
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: because you don't have the numbers out there to stop it.

1457
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: So this masterful game plan that they have with this

1458
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: three steep safety is putting Jilani Tavai in the flat

1459
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: and conflict the whole game and they're just picking them apart.

1460
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: And I just I didn't think that was innovative or

1461
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: creative at all. And then when you get to the

1462
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: general kind of big picture point of this with the

1463
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: defense the Patriots, we talked about their winning formula and

1464
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: offense is running the ball. The Patriots winning formula in

1465
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,479
Speaker 1: general is that the defense is gonna have to hold

1466
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: the offense of the opposition offense down, right, Like, that's

1467
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: gonna have to And I get they only gave up

1468
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: twenty four points, but the way that they gave up

1469
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: the twenty four points, Miami had the ball the whole game,

1470
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: So what was the point, right, Like, it wasn't like

1471
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: it was they did not really stop Miami. Frankly, they didn't,

1472
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: and they gave up this twenty four points. I get

1473
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: that was technically below average for Miami, But if you're

1474
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, you need to dictate terms to the offense.

1475
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: You can't play scared on that side of the ball.

1476
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: That's the side of the ball that you're supposed to

1477
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: be creative and winning because what you're expecting in that

1478
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: game plan is to bend, not break. That's what you

1479
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: want the defense to do. If you play Ben don't

1480
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: Break defense, you're gonna give up twenty one plus points.

1481
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: You might not give up thirty five, you might not

1482
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: give up forty five, but you're gonna give up twenty four,

1483
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 1: which is exactly what they gave up. They can't score

1484
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: enough points on offense to play that way. When you

1485
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: had Tom Brady in twenty eleven twenty ten and you're

1486
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: playing Ben Don't Break, it's because you were averaging thirty

1487
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: a game. So if you only gave up twenty a game,

1488
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: you knew that Brady was gonna score twenty one.

1489
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: Take your time going up the field. We're gonna hit

1490
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: you back with one play. You gotta be able to

1491
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: march downfield every single time because we're going.

1492
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: This defense needs to cover every blade of grass. This

1493
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: defense should be expected to stop opponents. And I get that.

1494
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: It's the modern NFL that we've talked about, that that

1495
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: ship is sailed. This is how the team is built.

1496
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: They can't afford to be conservative on defense. They have

1497
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: to attack offenses on defense off to attack defenses, right,

1498
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: And what they did by putting guys eight yards off

1499
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and playing this innovative three deep safety, look,

1500
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: they took their pass rush out of the game because

1501
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: TWOA was just getting rid of the ball so quickly.

1502
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 2: And the pass rushers are dropping back in the coverage.

1503
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: So I know that irks you, but like the general doesn't.

1504
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: But the general point is is that when two is

1505
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: getting the ball in one point nine to eight seconds, yeah,

1506
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if you have freaking Lawrence Taylor and

1507
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: Reggie White, You're not getting home in one point nine

1508
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: eight seconds, right. So what they did by playing this

1509
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: prevent defense, which is literally what they played, is they

1510
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: took their their best asset, which is their pass rush.

1511
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: They basically purposely took it out of the game. And

1512
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: at some point in time, you have to be able

1513
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: to go out there and dictate terms defensively. Last thing

1514
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: they played they left the edges open, then they adjusted

1515
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: and they overplay the etches. So what did re Raham

1516
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: Moister do right up the gut forty three yards untouched

1517
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: to the end zone. Horrible game plan. Okay, I'm done.

1518
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I didn't love it. A couple things on it.

1519
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was always their game plan or

1520
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: if they had to throw that together late when Jonathan

1521
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: Jones got hurt, because if they have Jonathan Jones, it

1522
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: makes a lot less sense to run that. If that

1523
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: makes sense, it does.

1524
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: But see, the frustrating part was is that Miami goes

1525
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: right down the field the opening drive, this score the Patriots.

1526
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: In the second half of the game, they went back

1527
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: into halftime and I can guarantee you they said, we

1528
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: just got to do it.

1529
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: So okay. So that was my other point on this

1530
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: was I did I don't hate that game plan as

1531
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: a concept. I actually don't. It's once it's not working,

1532
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 2: adjusting out of it. We sat here last week, Evan

1533
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: and said the game plan should be give them the run,

1534
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: give them the run, and let them run and run

1535
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: and run. And Mike McDaniel, like a lot of these

1536
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,479
Speaker 2: newer age coaches, will eventually get frustrated and take a shot.

1537
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: And when he wasn't doing that, they know and honestly

1538
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: so actually, let me let.

1539
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: Me touch a tip of Captain McDaniel. He called a

1540
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: great game.

1541
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: He called a great game. He cat a great game

1542
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: if you're good, so they you're gonna roll your eyes

1543
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: of this. The game plan sort of worked a little

1544
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: bit in that no no, no, no, no, listen list.

1545
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: They didn't stop him, They didn't stop them.

1546
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: But like that whole thing we talked about on Thursday,

1547
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: which was force them to run the ball, run the ball,

1548
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: run the ball, and wait for them to make a

1549
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: mistake and capitalize once they get frustrated. Right, there were

1550
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: two the the too a pass to Tyreek Hill. That's

1551
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: play that just that concept. What they threw was playing

1552
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: into the Patriots defense.

1553
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but what happened They.

1554
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: Didn't score, they didn't take advantage. The other one was

1555
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: the block kick if they.

1556
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: But this is my point is like you can't you

1557
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: can't play defense scared because you don't have the offense.

1558
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 2: Right. No, But so this is my Takeawe, I don't

1559
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: think it was necessarily as bad as you're saying in theory, no, no, no,

1560
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: But if they score touchdowns off the pick and off

1561
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: the field goal block, it works. They went into that

1562
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: game assuming they were going to score touchdowns in those

1563
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: two situations, and they didn't. Yeah, I just think that

1564
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: they and and that was my they never adjusted away

1565
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: from it. They didn't get themselves of margin.

1566
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 7: Vera.

1567
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: I hear you my issue on the coaching, and I'm

1568
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: not necessarily disagreeing with anything you said, but my two

1569
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: biggest issues came not necessarily as part of game plan,

1570
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: but game management. The first one to Mario Douglas, Yeah,

1571
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: you can't. There was a time when, yes, if a

1572
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: rookie made a mistake, you could bench them and he

1573
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: and look, fumbles happened. Yeah, they suck, they do. You

1574
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: don't want to fumble, You don't want to turn over.

1575
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: But there have been a lot of players that were

1576
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: great players in this league that fumbled once. I thought

1577
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry told a great story this week where his

1578
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: rook here, he fumbled, he costed his team the game.

1579
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: He hasn't fumbled since, and he's turned in a pretty

1580
01:09:59,320 --> 01:09:59,959
Speaker 2: good player.

1581
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: Except in Minnesota, which nice joke by he.

1582
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't fumble. That made me laugh. That

1583
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: was that was a good point by him. If what

1584
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: if the Chargers had just benched Hunter Henry at that point.

1585
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: They could because they had Antonio and they.

1586
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely could have you right, and they would have gone off.

1587
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh he's a bust. You need to. They don't have

1588
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: the roster where they can put these guys back out there,

1589
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: or they can't put these guys back Like back in

1590
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: the day, you could do that because you had established veterans.

1591
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: It's not like tomorrow Douglas was careless with the football.

1592
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: It's a great play by Bradley Chubb. Those guys get

1593
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: paid to right. They don't have the margin for and

1594
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: ramondra Stevenson joked about this yesterday when he fumbled his

1595
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: rookie year. He didn't play for like five or six

1596
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: weeks and the only reason he played was guys got hurt.

1597
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: What if guys don't get hurt. We we're talking about

1598
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: Remondre is some bust that fumbled once. It never played. Like,

1599
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm worried we're not gonna see to Mario Douglas again.

1600
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's gonna happen.

1601
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: What in their history tells you won't. Everything their history

1602
01:10:59,160 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: tells you it will.

1603
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 1: This is like, this is something that I I that

1604
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: that's been weighing on me, and I think it's like easy.

1605
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: It's easy for us to sit here and say that

1606
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 1: this should happen more often inside the organization than it does,

1607
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: but at some point in time, and I think Bill

1608
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the type of guy that would do this

1609
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: because he has some cachet, he has some experience.

1610
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point in time you have to.

1611
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: Say to Bill, like, look, Bill Like, he's probably our

1612
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: best receiver. But isn't that what I said about them

1613
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: getting a number one wide receiver? And this is why

1614
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: I blame Macro a little bit, like if you're Macro

1615
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: like and I that's why I don't absolve mac Row.

1616
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: About because this is a completely different conversation.

1617
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 6: It is.

1618
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: But but I'm just saying that Bill O'Brien needs to

1619
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 1: go into Belichick and be like, look, we're putting Doug

1620
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: Pop Douglas in the game plan and he's playing on

1621
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: Sunday a lot.

1622
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 2: He needs to And by the way, to tack onto this,

1623
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: the whole September is an extension the preseason thing. Why

1624
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 2: did tomorrow Douglas get mentioned in preseason game? But no, no,

1625
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: just just so that was one issue and I have

1626
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: another one. But tomorrow you can't. You don't have the

1627
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: you don't have the roster. You can bench Jamara Douglas

1628
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: in that spy. My other issue the challenge on the

1629
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: third one.

1630
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: Why did this?

1631
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: I'm curious a couple of reasons. Yeah, five ten years

1632
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 2: ago when there would be a similar situation, and we

1633
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: would ask Bill, why didn't you change because ten years ago,

1634
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick doesn't throw that challenge flight. Yeah, And we

1635
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: would ask him, Bill, why didn't you challenge that?

1636
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he would say because even even though it

1637
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: looked like maybe he got it, that call never gets overturned,

1638
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: which is the irony in this.

1639
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: But don't let that bog you down.

1640
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, Bill was right back then, Yeah,

1641
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: you don't challenge that spot call deep in the pile

1642
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: because that call never gets overturned.

1643
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: It is a fourth and inches. You have the tush push,

1644
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: you're going to get that. The fact that they would

1645
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: risk a time out on a call that it's less

1646
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: than a fifty to fifty chance it gets overturned. When

1647
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: you have such high odds to pick that up on

1648
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: fourth and short, that's a bad challenge. Bill Belichick ten

1649
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: years ago would tell you that was a bad challenge

1650
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: and it cost them late in the game because realistically,

1651
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 2: when they're driving there on the final drive, they probably

1652
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: should have had two possessions. They probably should have had

1653
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: the flexibility to punt and trust their defense to get

1654
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: them the ball back with about a minute ago no timeouts.

1655
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: They did, but they couldn't do that because they lost

1656
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: the time out on what was a bad challenge. Fair enough,

1657
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 2: they should that that was a mistake by Bill Belichick.

1658
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: To do that.

1659
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: This is this is how we cover all of our bases, right,

1660
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: we view the game differently. I came at it from

1661
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: the scheme angle. You bash them for the game management decisions,

1662
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: and now we just got the coaching out of the way.

1663
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: But like, would you agree that was a bad chanck,

1664
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: Like do you remember all the and this is we

1665
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: didn't cover the team yet we were kids, but like

1666
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: it would be I can't believe it didn't challenge that

1667
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 2: you would sit there and say, well, you know that

1668
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: call never gets overturned, and we're looking at it and saying,

1669
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: but it's right.

1670
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: Let's just call a spadas bade. And then we got

1671
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: we got to move on. Let's call a spadas bade.

1672
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: They got out coached on Sunday Night one hundred percent.

1673
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: They got out coached, but McDaniel was better game plan

1674
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: and game games. They got out coached on Sunday. Yes,

1675
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: what's your number one done?

1676
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 4: Uh?

1677
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,599
Speaker 2: My number one kind of regret not putting the coaching

1678
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 2: on there. I should have because that challenge. Really do

1679
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: you understand why? Because after the game you're like, what

1680
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: do you care about that? Because to me, it's like,

1681
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, that's like the micro and the macro. Okay, yeah,

1682
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: like that challenge just he knows, he I know.

1683
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't disa. I don't disagree with your premiside.

1684
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 2: My number one down I just kind of wrote these

1685
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 2: down there resident put these in order, so I'm gonna

1686
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 2: flip them. My number one down was Juju. You needed

1687
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: him in a game like this, You needed a chain

1688
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: mover and he didn't move, Especially if you're not gonna

1689
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: play Tomorrio Douglas and look they tried. This probably goes

1690
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 2: back more to the Douglas than anything else. If you're

1691
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: gonna bench Tomorrio Douglas, that means you're taking out his place.

1692
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: You don't then run orbit motion to Juju and run

1693
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: tunnel screens to DeVante Parker. Yeah, those are plays for

1694
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: Tomorrio Douglas based off his skill set. There was a

1695
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: time where you could run orbit to Juju and it

1696
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 2: would work. We're well past that and is not.

1697
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: No, you would think of Juju on the downs because

1698
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: to me, that's coaching, like that's in the coach. Well

1699
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm now regretting not putting coaching on here, but we're

1700
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: in the same mind. Yeah, yeah, the the juju, uh,

1701
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, a bubble screens off RPOs Like do you

1702
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: know what it gives me vibes of? And I hate

1703
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: that I'm going about to say this. It gives me

1704
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: vibes of Nikkil Harry when they just like h and

1705
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: Johnny Smith, Nikhil Harry in college was this like scheme

1706
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: touch guy at Arizona State. Was Arizona Arizona State, Yeah, Arizona.

1707
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 2: State teammates with Brandon Ayuk and he was, you know, this.

1708
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: Scheme touch guy in college. But it was so clear

1709
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: early on in Nikhil Harry's Patriots career that he didn't

1710
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: have the speed to be the same scheme touch guy

1711
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL. He was not going to outrun defenders

1712
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I see the same thing when

1713
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: I watched Juju. I just see this guy that's too

1714
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: slow to be on those types of things.

1715
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was again, you're just putting him in

1716
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 2: a bad spot. And again, if you want to run

1717
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: those plays, you have a guy that can do it,

1718
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: trust him, trust him to learn from his mistake and

1719
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 2: put him back in the game. Okay, that's simple.

1720
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: Number two dud for me. Calvin Anderson had been game

1721
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: went through the rough game for Calvin Anderson.

1722
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: I his illness.

1723
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. We don't know what

1724
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: it was. It was obviously severe. His passet's broken. He

1725
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: because he wasn't repping in practice during training camp. His

1726
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,799
Speaker 1: pass at his footwork, his hand placement, his postures, balance,

1727
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: all of it is just disgusting. It's all broken. And

1728
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: I don't blame him for it. Like he didn't practice

1729
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: for six weeks and you know he he completely fell

1730
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: apart because of that. I don't know what they do

1731
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: at right tackle. I mean I know what I want

1732
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: them to do is to call Leayol Collins and get

1733
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: him on his team. I want them to put out there. Yeah,

1734
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: but like maybe it's Mike on went Wait.

1735
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: Hang on, which would you rather have? Who' dra right tackle?

1736
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: Le Collins and Mike on win Leo Collins. He's thirty

1737
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 2: years old, he's coming off of two torn knee ligaments.

1738
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: He wasn't healthy enough to start camp because then you

1739
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: have both Mike on Winning and Laol Collins, you have

1740
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: Mike Tonio Mafi whos looked pretty good.

1741
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't look good. I don't I hey Tonio

1742
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 1: Moffi gave up seven pressures in week one, then they

1743
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: played him for like three snaps on Sunday night and gave.

1744
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: A thirty year old with the shredded knee. Is how

1745
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: this team has solved problems in the past, and it

1746
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: generally doesn't work. I don't need the thirty year old

1747
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 2: with the ShredIt.

1748
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what they My guess is with Calvin

1749
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: Anderson is that they ride it out and they try

1750
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: to see if they can get his his What about

1751
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: Varian loss back? So that's a good question, and that's

1752
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: something that I don't know who brought it up on

1753
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: PU but we I didn't really think about it too much.

1754
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 1: But I don't hate that idea.

1755
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 2: Because he's probably more of a right tackle than a

1756
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 2: left hand.

1757
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: He was okay. I'm not going to say he was

1758
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: good on Sunday night, but he was better than I expected,

1759
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: and at least he gave the quarterback a chance like

1760
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: some of those rushes by Van Ginkle and Anderson was

1761
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: just no chance.

1762
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: I mean, mac Jo Van Ginkle ate Calvin Anderson's lunch

1763
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: like that was as one side as a gas.

1764
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: Right, So maybe Vanderian Lowe is the answer because at

1765
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: least Viderian Lowe was like getting his hands on Bradley Chubb. Yeah,

1766
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: installing the rush for like at least half a beat

1767
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: or two to be able to get the ball out.

1768
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: And that was on the left side, so it'll be

1769
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 2: a little easier on the right side too, So.

1770
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't hate it all.

1771
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 6: Right.

1772
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 2: Second dud, My second dud was it should have been

1773
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: Anderson Again, I kind of ran through these last Cold Strange.

1774
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 2: Yeah he's on my third Okay, So Cole Strange to

1775
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: me is can't have it you you and look it's

1776
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins. I get it. Christian Wilkins is a really

1777
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: good player. Yeah, this is why you drafted Cold Strange

1778
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: in the first or this is why you would draft

1779
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 2: a first round guard to neutralize that player. And he

1780
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: didn't do it. Again. The run, the run game up

1781
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 2: the middle wasn't there for them. They were getting pressures

1782
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: up the interior. Was it the worst game of Cole

1783
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: Stranger's career. No, But for look, it's only fair to

1784
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 2: measure him up to expectations. Yeah, he was a first

1785
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: round pick. You expect him to have more of a show,

1786
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: whether you think he's capable of it or not. A

1787
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: first round pick, you expect to have more of a

1788
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: showing any game like that.

1789
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: I agree, I would give him. You know, I get

1790
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 1: I made him the third dud as well, like it

1791
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 1: was on my list, But I gave him third dud

1792
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: because it is his first game. So we'll see how

1793
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: it looks. Uh the blitz, the sack that he gave

1794
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: up where he didn't pick up the blitz, that that's

1795
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: something that you know he needs to be able to

1796
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: pick up, Like it's your two.

1797
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: Like this is the the David Long blitz right yep, yeah, yeah.

1798
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: Right up the middle on one of the first possessions

1799
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,919
Speaker 1: of the game. I want to say, yeah, for the Patriots,

1800
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: you need to be able to pick up it, blitz

1801
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: up in your two like scheme pressure blitz his stunt slip,

1802
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: which is what he gave up a bad pressure on

1803
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: a stunt later on, Like you can't be surprised by

1804
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: those things anymore, Like that's what every team runs. That's

1805
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, that's the way it looks. You got to

1806
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: have your eyes up and you got to be able

1807
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: to see things here. David Andrews say that in the

1808
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: uh in his press keep your eyes up. That wasn't

1809
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, that wasn't a mistake. I think that was

1810
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: pointed at one person in particular after that. So, yeah,

1811
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: I had Cold Strange is my third DUD. I think

1812
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: he'll be better, but I'm getting already. I'm getting sort

1813
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: of like Isaiah Win vibes of like when he's out

1814
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: there and he's like it's it's he can be fine,

1815
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 1: But like does I was Isaiah Win a first round

1816
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: left tackle? No, and his Cold Strange a first round

1817
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: left guard. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen

1818
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: it yet.

1819
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. Was the Jets game?

1820
01:19:58,479 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: The first Jets game is the one he got.

1821
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: Back got bench? Okay, so he got bench against just

1822
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: last year? Yeah, all right, okay, Third Dutch, my third DUT.

1823
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: I had Jeanni Tavaia written down. I'm honestly gonna go

1824
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: kind of just piggyback off something you said the defensive

1825
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 2: play calling. Yeah, and it drives me up a wall. Evan.

1826
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 2: You have Matthew Judon, you have one of the elite

1827
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: pass rushers in the NFL. It is third in game yep.

1828
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 2: And what is Matthew Judon doing. He's carrying Jalen Waddle

1829
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: up the seam.

1830
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what can I defend them for

1831
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: a second? No, yeah, let me defend them for a second.

1832
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: All right. So what they're running is called the replacement bulitz, right,

1833
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: It really like a replacement zone blitz.

1834
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

1835
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what they're gonna do is they're gonna take

1836
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: an off ball player, usually Juwan Bentley. He's gonna blitz

1837
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: up the middle, and Matthew Judon is gonna drop off

1838
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: the edge and replace Juwan Bentley in the zone. It's

1839
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: called a creeper pressure. What it does is to let

1840
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: the tackle that Matthew Judon's lined up over has to

1841
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: step out like he's about to block Matthew Judon, right,

1842
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: So that allowed that opens up it It parts the

1843
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: red seas right like, it opens up the middle of

1844
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: the lane for Juwan Bentley because the guard and the

1845
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: tackle have guys lined up over them. So they're both

1846
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 1: gonna step out to block their guys when Judon drops, now,

1847
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it comes up the middle. The

1848
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: reason why I get what you're saying in terms of

1849
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: like so optics of how it ends up looking. But

1850
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't hate it is because it

1851
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: works like a lot.

1852
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 2: But okay, one, you could just rush all of them

1853
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: and they should have blitzed more in this game than

1854
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: they did two. I get it. You want to throw

1855
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 2: them different looks, keep them guessing. You want to drop

1856
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon into coverage on second down. You want to

1857
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: drop Joulwane Tovai into coverage on first second down. You

1858
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 2: want to do it in the first quarter, second quarter,

1859
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 2: go for it. I get it. You're getting the different looks,

1860
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: and maybe it does. Maybe it does work where you

1861
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 2: catch too off guard and he doesn't see one of

1862
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 2: those guys dropping and boom, he throws it right to him.

1863
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 2: But third in game, your big money pass rusher that

1864
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: you just paid more money to pin his ears back.

1865
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: That's fair.

1866
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: It reminds me of I always go back to when

1867
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia was the defensive coordinator. They're playing the Steelers

1868
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 2: here early in the season third and game and they

1869
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 2: had Trey Flowers in man coverage on Le'Veon bell on

1870
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 2: like a third and four. Yeah, I get you want

1871
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: to do different things at times so you don't want

1872
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: to be predictable. That's fine. And maybe this goes to

1873
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 2: your point about the roster third and game. Let your

1874
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 2: best players what they do, what they do best. That's fair, period,

1875
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 2: that's fair. I just it drives me up a wall.

1876
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 2: It was an aggressive call in that spot, it was,

1877
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: but when they didn't need it. So I almost had

1878
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 2: Julani to buye on my dud's list also, but I

1879
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: just lumped him in with the poor coaching. That's well.

1880
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 6: No.

1881
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: But and by the way, it's not just shoot on,

1882
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: it's divide the say guy, it sets the edge. Why

1883
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: do you have him in shallows on when you know

1884
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna leak raheem moster out there? Who runs what

1885
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: a four to three low four to three? Yea, you're

1886
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 2: not gonna get You're trying to to show them a

1887
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 2: different look like curl flat, slant flat. When you do it,

1888
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: devise there and he's two sixty trying to like cover two,

1889
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: it's just run it once, run it once and and

1890
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: and maybe he doesn't see it. Maybe two it doesn't

1891
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 2: see it and get a turnover off it. I'm not

1892
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: saying he can't ever do it, but play after play

1893
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: after play, now they're just gonna start. There's a reason

1894
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 2: you don't do that every play because that's not how

1895
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: we is. Let him step up, be strongs at the edge. Yeah,

1896
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: so let him do it, he says. Why when we

1897
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: did the whole draft post draft shows. Yeah, I had that,

1898
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: my my little epiphany. That's not turned out to be

1899
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 2: the case because they'll they're stubborn and won't do it.

1900
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: So you're you're running this like you know this, these

1901
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 2: drop zones and to try to take away the big plays,

1902
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: and it's putting Jelanni to Vai in the in the

1903
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 2: curl flat window and there's nothing you can do about

1904
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: that because he has to be there. Like this is

1905
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 2: why I kept on like screaming, Marty Mop who's a linebacker,

1906
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 2: Marty Mob who's a linebacker, Marty Mop who's a linebacker,

1907
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,799
Speaker 2: Because if Marty mop who is in that spot instead

1908
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 2: of Jelani to Vai in the curl flat, you have

1909
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: an athletic player that has some instincts and some coverage

1910
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: ability to actually play the curl flat. Instead, it's Jelani

1911
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 2: Tavai who has some good things about his game. And

1912
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: it's not about this is misuse of a player, right exactly.

1913
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: This is this is that thing we were banging our

1914
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: head against the wall last year on offense. Ye have

1915
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: players play to their strengths, not their weaknesses, which, by

1916
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 2: the way, told you in the off season. There we go, Yeah, I.

1917
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: Told you in the off season. All right, let's take

1918
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: these calls and then we'll do jets. All right, Michael's

1919
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: in Chicago. It's that Michael.

1920
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 8: Hey, guys. By the way, Evan and I think that

1921
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 8: third and one that Max did the crack possible that

1922
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 8: wasn't an audible. It looks like the audible to that play, but.

1923
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 1: It might have been, which might explain why two guys

1924
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: blocked nobody.

1925
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Speaker 8: But yeah, keep going, yeah, yeah, yeah, But anyway, I

1926
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 8: just I'm with you. I think also the problem with

1927
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 8: the Dolphins at this point is like they're really well

1928
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 8: coached team, and it showed like if we have a

1929
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 8: talent gap with the a team like the Dolphins and

1930
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 8: they're able to out coach us like we're gonna be

1931
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 8: in my serious trouble. But I think moving forward, I mean,

1932
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 8: the schedule is gonna lighten up, and we got some

1933
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 8: better opportunities in front of us. But yeah, I just

1934
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 8: the biggest question, and you kind of talked about me,

1935
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 8: does like can this offensive line really.

1936
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Speaker 7: Get it figured out?

1937
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Speaker 8: I mean we've been I mean, we've been banging the

1938
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 8: drum about the right right tackle for I don't even

1939
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 8: how long at this point, but you know, it seems

1940
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 8: like some of these issues may not be easily fixed

1941
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 8: because it's just like we may just not have the

1942
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 8: guys up front to.

1943
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Speaker 4: To do it.

1944
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Speaker 8: So just wanted to get your guys thoughts there.

1945
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good call, Michael, Thanks for calling. It could have

1946
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: been an audible I try not to like guess when

1947
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 1: they audible and not and stuff like that. It's also

1948
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: one of the like bad things sometimes about watching the

1949
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,560
Speaker 1: coaches tape is there's no audio, so like sometimes you

1950
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 1: might pick up on like a checker call like that

1951
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: on the TV broadcast anyways.

1952
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 2: So sometimes dummy calls.

1953
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So to his question, I couldn't agree more

1954
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: with his point of you can't have both, and this

1955
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: is I think why I had coaching as my number

1956
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: one dud and this week is because you can't get

1957
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: out coached and out talented, right, Like, right, you have

1958
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, You're supposed to out coach everybody. That's the

1959
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: advantage that you have is that you have the greatest

1960
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: coach of all time on your sideline. So when you

1961
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: get out coached and you're out gunned, like you're gonna lose,

1962
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: Like there's no way you're gonna win that game. So

1963
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with that point of his call.

1964
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: More.

1965
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Ben is in Maryland. What's up? Ben?

1966
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Hi, guys, what's up.

1967
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 6: I just wanted to thank you.

1968
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 5: I've been won, first of all, because that's one in

1969
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 5: minute film of you was very helpful. I probably watched

1970
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 5: it twenty times in class.

1971
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: Today, So thank you.

1972
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1973
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 5: Also, I just wanted to get your thoughts. I put

1974
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 5: out a tweet the other day and it basically said

1975
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 5: like Max Jones can't seem to tune these close games

1976
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,560
Speaker 5: into wins, and they got a ton of flak, Like

1977
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 5: it was like a lot of people will upset with that,

1978
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 5: and I was wondering, like is that a fo statement? Like,

1979
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 5: and if so, how can Mac Jones turn around these

1980
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 5: close games into wins.

1981
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question, Ben, and it's something that

1982
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: I got flack for it last week too, So hand up.

1983
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with Mac in these close

1984
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: games is there's certainly a chicken or the egg conversation,

1985
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: like is it the personnel around him? He doesn't have

1986
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: anybody to throw to. He doesn't have anybody to make

1987
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: plays like the fourth down play on Sunday Night, for example,

1988
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: Cole Strange and David Andrews gets split up the middle

1989
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: and there's a guy in his face like instantly, and

1990
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 1: he tries to throw it out in the flat to Mikeasiki,

1991
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: who actually wins on the route and probably would have

1992
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: had the first down if it was a more accurate pass.

1993
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,560
Speaker 1: But because Matt Jones is throwing under pressure, it's like

1994
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: down by his shoelaces and he's got to adjust to

1995
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: it and stuff like that. So in theory, you could

1996
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: sit there and say, well, if David Andrews, you're probably

1997
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: your best offensive lineman other than Mike on winning when

1998
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: your captain and your first round guard don't give up

1999
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: pressure on the play that he probably steps in the

2000
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: throat to the sidelines and hits Mikeasiki in stride, and

2001
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: he turns around the corner and makes the first down.

2002
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: You could say that. You could also say that, maybe

2003
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, the tight end is more athletic or more

2004
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: dynamic and gets more open or makes some guy miss

2005
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: or you could you could say that, or you could

2006
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: sit here and say a good quarterback puts enough mustard

2007
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: on it under pressure to get the ball out there

2008
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: to Mike Asicky so he doesn't have to make an

2009
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: adjustment on the catch. I think where we're at is

2010
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 1: the frustrating part is that all three of those things

2011
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: are true, right right. The tight end could be a

2012
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: little bit better on the route, the offensive line could

2013
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 1: certainly have been better in the protection, and the throw

2014
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: could have been a little bit better. So deciding who's

2015
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: more to blame for what is up is up to everybody,

2016
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: Like that's up to you to decide. That's how I

2017
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: look at it.

2018
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it, you know, as it relates

2019
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,799
Speaker 2: to Max specifically, could the Patriots have a better quarterback

2020
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: than Mac Jones? Yes, that is one way to fix it,

2021
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 2: but that's not You don't just snap your fingers and

2022
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 2: go get a top ten quarterback right, that easy. Whereas

2023
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: putting in everybody knows where I stand on this, putting

2024
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: the restaurants around him. And there's been a bunch of

2025
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: these weird ones. You know, you mentioned last week the

2026
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Eagles game. It's just a matter of a guy getting

2027
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 2: a foot down and there there's a bad penalty in there.

2028
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 2: Go back to the Bengals game last year. We'remandree fumbles.

2029
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 2: That's not on mac Jones. Yeah, so it's the people

2030
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: who want to hate mac Jones certainly have their ammunition.

2031
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,879
Speaker 2: To people who want to support him certainly have their ammunition.

2032
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,560
Speaker 2: We don't know because you know his rookie, he was

2033
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: a rookie. There's that caveat Last year was just an

2034
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: absolute mess no quarterback, forget Mac Jones. Nobody succeeds in

2035
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: that setting. And this year's it looks like we're kind

2036
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 2: of back to those weird endings. It's not like they're

2037
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 2: going three and out, you know, on the final drive

2038
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 2: because he's overthrown. Guys. It's really nuanced issues that require

2039
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: one more data into just like a deeper look. So

2040
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: pick a side of the street, I think, well, it's

2041
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: not picking a side of the street. It's which way

2042
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 2: do you want to go? Clearly, this mix of Mac

2043
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 2: and the talent they have around him isn't enough. It's

2044
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 2: do you want to blow it all up, go back

2045
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 2: into the quarterbacks quick carousel and hit reset, or do

2046
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: you want to actually put some talent around Mac Jones.

2047
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 2: I think I'm very established on where I am at

2048
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: that let's give this kid a chance, let's go get

2049
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: him some real talent around him. But you know, if

2050
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 2: somebody saysn't want to go back into the quarterback carousel,

2051
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 2: I can't say they're wrong. I think, you know, I

2052
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: always use the nineties Bulls as the warning. We all

2053
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: watched the Last Dance and that whole.

2054
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Part about Bulls fans, but they wanted Michael Jordan out

2055
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: of there, like get rid of them, get started with

2056
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:15,759
Speaker 1: the rebuild.

2057
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 2: And here we are, what is it thirty years later?

2058
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 2: And I think they've won like two playoff series ince then.

2059
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 2: Like I felt to me, going back into the quarterback

2060
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: carousel should absolutely be the last option because you go

2061
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 2: in that thing and you don't know when you're getting out.

2062
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 2: You look at teams like the Bears are a perfect example,

2063
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: and everything they're going well, not everything they're going through

2064
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: this week. But when they're going through this week with

2065
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 2: Justin Fields, everything they're going through with their quarterback, I

2066
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 2: should say you look at the Browns, who they thought

2067
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: they had the answer. They gave up what three first

2068
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 2: round picks and two hundred and forty million dollars to

2069
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: get out of the carousel, and they might not be

2070
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 2: out of it. You look at the Bills who were

2071
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: in it for and yes they have Josh Allen now,

2072
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 2: but for years and years and years they kept going

2073
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: back into that carousel. Do you mac Jones isn't a

2074
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,160
Speaker 2: top five quarterback in the league. I know hot take

2075
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: right it's saying he's not as good as Brady hot Take,

2076
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: but he's good enough that I think you can put

2077
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 2: the pieces around him and not have to step into

2078
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 2: that void. Yeah, and I personally this is my feeling

2079
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: on I know some people feel differently. I am petrified

2080
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 2: of going back into that void. I Mac Joe could

2081
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 2: be worse. It could be Zach Wilson. It could be

2082
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, and then it could.

2083
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 1: Be mystery Box, or it could be anything.

2084
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 2: It could be. It could be Mark Sanchez, followed by

2085
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Christian Hackenberg, followed by Geno Smith, followed by Zack Wilson, Right,

2086
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 2: you don't know, and and how many coaches go through

2087
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: that thing as well? Mac Jones has showing me enough

2088
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 2: that it's like, we don't have to step back into

2089
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: that thing. They do need to make changes, they do

2090
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: need to put put more around it, but I am

2091
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I do I don't want the carousel

2092
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 2: is like, that is a dark place. I will do

2093
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,759
Speaker 2: anything before. It's just it's not where you want.

2094
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,520
Speaker 1: To be kids, You're everywhere I will do And And people.

2095
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: Take this as me defending mac Jones. I guess it

2096
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 2: is a little bit, but it's more like I'm not

2097
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 2: saying mac Jones is perfect, But there's enough that I

2098
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 2: don't think people realize what's on the other side of

2099
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: that door. I really don't even want to find out.

2100
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 2: I am petrified of what's on the other They say

2101
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 2: that the devil you know is better than the devil

2102
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 2: you don't. I don't want to go back through that door.

2103
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 1: So my my like short version of that, because I

2104
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: agree with everything you said. If you switched the quarterbacks

2105
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: on Sunday, what's the result, Oh, Dolphins.

2106
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 2: Dolphins probably win by more.

2107
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I do know.

2108
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: That I don't know a lot more. I feel more

2109
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 2: comfortable that for his first.

2110
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: Couple of years in the NFL, before Mike McDaniel and

2111
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: before Tyreek Kill got there, Tua looked like one quarterback. Yeah,

2112
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and now he might be the front runner for MVP

2113
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: two weeks.

2114
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't your front runner for every p like two or

2115
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 2: three weeks in last year or two until he got hurt? Really? Actually?

2116
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: All right? Yeah, so I know you hate EPA, but

2117
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 1: just bear with me and helps my argument here, So

2118
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,759
Speaker 1: go for it. The Miami Dolphins, pre too is injury,

2119
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: were number one in the league in offense. They're like

2120
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 1: the best team, Yeah, the best offense in the NFL.

2121
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: And it's not just that you look at what you know.

2122
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Josh Allen. Josh Allen was a different guy

2123
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: until what happened. Brian day Ball, Stefan Diggs. Yeah right,

2124
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: uhen hurts. Yeah, I don't know how much coaching helped,

2125
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 1: but Aj Brown and DeVonta Smith. So he didn't get

2126
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 1: a coach, but he got two receivers. Yeah, this is

2127
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: just what happens.

2128
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: Coach help, But you anyway, Okay, I don't know that

2129
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 2: on day ball level, he helped all right, last one here?

2130
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: What's up?

2131
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 4: Nick?

2132
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: Nick? And Rhode Island?

2133
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 4: Hey, what's up?

2134
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 9: Guys?

2135
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 6: Hey?

2136
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 9: I do so right before I called, I looked up

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Speaker 9: the last ten Super Bowls. Essentially it's either Mahomes, it's Manning,

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Speaker 9: or it's Brady. Exception being the Rams season when they

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01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 9: spent a bunch of money. So you guys just sort

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Speaker 9: of touched that, like, if you don't have the elite quarterbacks, okay,

2141
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 9: well what do you do? What's the leverage? What's the philosophy?

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Speaker 9: My question, my concern is we've been running with that

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01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 9: same philosophy that we've been using with Brady, kind of

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01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 9: keep it balance, try to get a lot of floor

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01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 9: out of people. You know, like I actually as though

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01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 9: we still have the best quarterback in the league going

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Speaker 9: for us, but.

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Speaker 6: We don't have that.

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Speaker 9: So if you guys are the GM of this peak,

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01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 9: what are we doing? Who are we getting? What's what's

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01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 9: the move? And second to that, who is at Can

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Speaker 9: someone answer.

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01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 6: This for me?

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01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 9: Is Bill rape of spending money? No one seems to

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01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 9: be able to answer this.

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01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 4: It is aar doing it.

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01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: Better?

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01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 2: We're losing.

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01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: We got yeah, we got the gist of it. Sorry

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01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: about that, Nick, Your phone was was crapping out there.

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01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: Happens to the best of us. But so first questions, First,

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01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing? I mean, I you say, it's

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 1: like you can't just snap your fingers and get a

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01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. You also just can't snap your fingers

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01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: and get a number one receiver. It's definitely it's easier,

2166
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 1: but when you can't draft it, because we know the

2167
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: track record with this team of trying to draft it,

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01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: it does become a little bit more uh more difficult.

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01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I keep going this this

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01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: past off season didn't break their way because except for

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01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: one exception of course of DeAndre Hopkins, but even he was,

2172
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, at thirty and not exactly what we're describing

2173
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 1: of like that digs at AJ Brown. Next offseason, obviously

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01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 1: the guy is T Higgins, Like T Higgins is gonna

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01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: be available. He's gonna be somebody that you will go after.

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01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It depends on how much he hates Kirk Cousins. I'm

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01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: sure he hates him a little bit because he hate

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Speaker 1: him enough to go play with Mac Jones for enough money. Yeah,

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01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: that's fair, But justin Jefferson is going to be a.

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01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: True you're saying you, well, that's but that's what I'm

2182
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: saying in terms of you you can't and I know

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01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 2: it's been done, but the snap your fingers. I'm like

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01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 2: when you said that with the quarterback, right, and people

2185
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 2: will be like, well, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady,

2186
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 2: those guys are old. Those were well in theory with Wilson,

2187
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 2: but with the other two near complete rosters that just

2188
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: need a quarterback and you can sell out to get him, Like, yeah,

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01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get like a twenty five year old

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Speaker 2: quarterback like that. That's not gonna happen. So these receivers,

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01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, you sort of can you

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01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: have to be willing to pay both in terms of

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01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 2: money and draft capital. Yeah, but didn't the Eagles kind

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01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 2: of snapped their fingers and make an elite receiver. Repair

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01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 2: didn't the Dolphins kind of snapped.

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01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: But that's when you had the real gist of it

2197
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: is just that when it had when an AJ Brown comes,

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01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: you have to jump at it.

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Speaker 2: But that's what But That's kind of my point is

2200
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 2: they they're at the point now where they need.

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that's that's number one, and

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01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 1: you can do that like number two just quickly. I

2204
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 1: would just throw a bunch of draft picks at tackle, like, yeah,

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01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: so you're probably gonna have to trade a first round

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01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 1: pick to get the receiver, right, but after that, like

2207
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 1: your Day two picks, like early day three picks, you

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01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: should be taking multiple tackles.

2209
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Speaker 2: Absolutely what they did with guard this year. But it tackle.

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01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: But I would say just to go back to it

2211
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 2: because people are right, you know, snap your fingers and

2212
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 2: have the uh snap your fingers out the quarterback peer

2213
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 2: versus the wide receiver. You can and I know it's

2214
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,559
Speaker 2: not apples and oranges, but that's kind of point. Justin

2215
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 2: Jeferson's best Receivering League, we both agree on that, right,

2216
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,599
Speaker 2: best best receiver on a rookie contract in the league.

2217
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say Tyreek is the best receiver in

2218
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: the lead.

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01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 2: All right, best honor, but for a rookie contract. For

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01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: the point is comparison, you can give let's call three

2221
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 2: first round picks, right, you can give up three first

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01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 2: round picks get Justin Jefferson and you're a better team,

2223
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 2: that'd be a lot. What do you think he's worth

2224
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: depends or what was what was like if your pill

2225
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 2: was three, Hill was two and two and change Brown

2226
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 2: was and Brown was one and all right two, let's

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01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: call two first round picks. The price goes up and

2228
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson's.

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01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. And this is like

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01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,560
Speaker 1: something that Michael Marty says a lot and then I

2231
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: want to get into key matchups. At the end of

2232
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: the day. The draft picks are only as good as

2233
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: the players that you pick with them, right, So like

2234
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 1: the draft picks is so I go to do the

2235
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:45,600
Speaker 1: mystery boxing again, but it's kind of the mystery. But

2236
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: so like, if I have this first round pick but

2237
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:48,480
Speaker 1: it's not actually a player.

2238
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 2: Yet, if you're picking fifth overall and you've a shot

2239
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 2: at Marvin Harrison junior, yeah, it doesn't make sense to

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01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: trade it for a receiver. But if you're drafting more,

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01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,120
Speaker 2: if the Patriots specifically are in that position, they need

2242
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:58,720
Speaker 2: to be taking a quarterback. They don't need to be

2243
01:37:58,760 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: taking a receiver. So right, we'll call it two picks.

2244
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: You can trade two first round picks and get Justin Jefferson.

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01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 2: The Patriots now a better team. Yeah, right, agree the

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01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 2: quarterback equivalent of that. Yeah, can you trade two first

2247
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 2: round picks and get Trevor Lawrence?

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01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: No?

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01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Right? What could you trade any number of first round

2250
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 2: picks and get Trevor Lawrence? Probably not. So that's the

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01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 2: point where unless you're picking high enough to draft Caleb

2252
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 2: will you Caleb Williams, in which case, if you are

2253
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, isn't good. If you're picking that high, Mac

2254
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 2: Jones isn't good. I'll come off that take and say, yeah,

2255
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 2: at this point we need to go back into the carousel.

2256
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 2: There you go, but you can't. I would rather trade

2257
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 2: the two first round picks for Justin Jefferson than use

2258
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,720
Speaker 2: a mid first round pick on a quarterback and move

2259
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 2: on for Mac Jones to use a mid first round

2260
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 2: pick on like like bon Knicks. Yeah, he's not good.

2261
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 1: Okay, First, let's get into key matchups here. We have

2262
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes to this. I think we could do it.

2263
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: Number one key matchup for me is Cole Strange Verus

2264
01:38:57,160 --> 01:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Quinn Williams. Yep, so got benched in the first round

2265
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: last year against Quentin Williams for Isaiah Win didn't really

2266
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: play much better in the second matchup, but they kind

2267
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: of just rolled with it. Quentin Williams to me terms

2268
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: of defensive players, so we're not talking. This is not offense,

2269
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: So no digs, no Allen whatever. In terms of defensive players,

2270
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 1: the scariest player of the division to me is is

2271
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 1: Quentin Williams because he is got all the tools in length, power,

2272
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: quickness to consistently get interior pressure against your pocket quarterback.

2273
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: He's long, he's strong, he's got great initial quickness off

2274
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: the ball. He's going to push that pocket into mac

2275
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: Jones's lap all game long if you let him, and

2276
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 1: that is exactly how you blow this Patriots offense up. Yeah,

2277
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: and that's scary. So I'd say Quinn Williams against Cold

2278
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 1: Strange A because they need to block Quentin Williams to

2279
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 1: have a chance to move the ball in this game.

2280
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: But B because I want to We just talked about

2281
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: Cole Strange as a dud from the Miami game. Let's

2282
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: see it. St like your first round pick. Yeah, Like,

2283
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to go out there and shut

2284
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 1: out Quentin Williams, but can you hold your own against

2285
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: Quentin Williams like, I would like to see that.

2286
01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 2: What do you got? So I had just like the

2287
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 2: interior of the Patriots offensive line against Quinn Williams because

2288
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 2: I think I don't know the Colt Strange can live

2289
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 2: up to that, And that's where David Andrews is going

2290
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 2: to have to come in and kind of be a neutralizer.

2291
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 2: But specifically in the run game you goes back to

2292
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 2: be talking about the beginning of the show. You have

2293
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 2: to be able to establish a traditional ground and pound

2294
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: between the tackles run game. That's Cole Strange, David Andrews,

2295
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 2: Mike O and Winnu moving Quinn Williams out of the way.

2296
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 1: There you go. It has to happen, all right. My

2297
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 1: number two. I almost had this as number one, but

2298
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,880
Speaker 1: I kind of pivoted here. Christian Gonzales Frus Garrett Wilson.

2299
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: This to me is like a marquee matchup for Christian Gonzalez.

2300
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to studying the film against Garrett

2301
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:51,280
Speaker 1: Wilson because Garrett Wilson, as much as as great as

2302
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: the film was against Tyreek Hill, and it was really

2303
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: good for Christian Gonzales. Garrett Wilson is the type of

2304
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,600
Speaker 1: guy or the type of receiver that Christian Zalez was

2305
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: draft did to cover, right, longer, explosive guy, can play inside,

2306
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: can play outside, great route runner, good at the catch point.

2307
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: Like this is the type of receiver that he's going

2308
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to have to cover, hopefully, you know, assuming the Patriots pay.

2309
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm down the road for like the next ten years, right, So,

2310
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: like this is the matchup for him in this division

2311
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: right now. And besides, you know Steph Diggs, I suppose.

2312
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: So I'm really looking forward to seeing this one. I

2313
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: would like to see the Patriots coaching staff trust Christian

2314
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: Gonzalez to take Garrett Wilson a little bit in this

2315
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: game one on one and see what happens and and

2316
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: maybe live with some lumps like you did with AJ Brown.

2317
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I think he's gonna farewell.

2318
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:37,799
Speaker 1: So there's my second team matchup.

2319
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,800
Speaker 2: So I went a little more macro. I did Bill

2320
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Belichick for Zack Wilson. Yeah, and just kind of that thing.

2321
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: Did he has?

2322
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 2: He's renfree? Alrighty? Did you see Zach Wilson's spray chart

2323
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 2: last week?

2324
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: So he threw the ball? I forget how many passed?

2325
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, two of them are registered as passes to

2326
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 2: the left, and of those two, one is like on

2327
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 2: the hash, oh didn't throw to that side at all.

2328
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 2: So you're talking about Christian Zalaz and Garrett Wilson. I

2329
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: would like to see that for the most part, but

2330
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 2: also just Christian Zalez on Zack Wilson's right side, covering

2331
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 2: whoever's over there, and so he either has to throw

2332
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 2: it at Christian Zalez or he has to throw it

2333
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 2: to the left side of the field, which for whatever

2334
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 2: reason he doesn't want to do. Interesting just sort of

2335
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 2: make him last week, just based off what the Jets

2336
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 2: did last week, there's two things they want. They want

2337
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 2: either a run or they want Zack Wilson throwing short

2338
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 2: to the right. That's it. So if I'm the Patriots,

2339
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: stack the box, put Christian Gonzalez on the right side

2340
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 2: and see what happens. Because another thing I've noticed about

2341
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 2: the Jets, and maybe this is a little different this

2342
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 2: year because they haven Athanie Hackett, but last year, when

2343
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson struggled because of what the defense was taking away,

2344
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 2: they wouldn't necessarily adjust. And I don't think it's because

2345
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 2: they're bad coaches. I think it's because they didn't trust

2346
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson to do anything beyond the game plan. But

2347
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:00,560
Speaker 2: if you take away the run, you take away the

2348
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 2: throw to the right side. It's not all the Jets

2349
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:04,040
Speaker 2: are gonna start throwing to the left. They'renna keep banging

2350
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 2: their head against the wall. Yeah, So I just, yeah,

2351
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: just take away what the Jets want to do, and

2352
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they adjust. I think they'll just keep

2353
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 2: doing it and throw their hands up.

2354
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's funny because you know, with Zach Wilson

2355
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: in the past, obviously the kryptonite for him has always

2356
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: been pressure. Yeah, he's not been good went and kept clean,

2357
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: but he's been better, right, Like, he's been serviceable and

2358
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 1: kept clean. So in a lot of ways, Like you know,

2359
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I think the sixty eight yard touchdown last week, the

2360
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson as sort of Zach Wilson's sweet spot, you know,

2361
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: just throwing an inbreaker off of play action and just

2362
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 1: like kind of let it go. And he can make

2363
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,639
Speaker 1: those types of throws. But what the Patriots have done

2364
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: in the past, obviously they rotate the back end and

2365
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: they confuse the back end, and that allows him to

2366
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: it makes them hold the ball right, like he's trying

2367
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 1: to read out the coverage. He's not a fast process

2368
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: or and he can it has to read the coverage

2369
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: out and it makes them hold the ball and here

2370
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: comes the pass rush. They also run a lot of

2371
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: their their creeper's pressures that I just told you are

2372
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 1: fine and you hate so they they I don't hate them,

2373
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: I hate them with the games on the line, Yeah

2374
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: that's fair. But what they basically do is they pin

2375
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: their ears back, they rush the quarterback, and then they

2376
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: usually use either the blitz to bring five guys to

2377
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: cover every gap, or they spy him actually a little

2378
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: bit with mac Wilson last year as well. But most importantly,

2379
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 1: you want to pressure Zach Wilson, but you actually want

2380
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:23,880
Speaker 1: him to throw n You want to make them throw

2381
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,639
Speaker 1: the ball. You want to make them throw make decisions.

2382
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: So what they would do is they would flush him

2383
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:29,560
Speaker 1: and then they would push him to the side and

2384
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: just wait for him to make it.

2385
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 2: And he still throw the ball to Devin mccordy. Somehow

2386
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 2: this week he.

2387
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Might find if Devon's covering the game, maybe's right. Here's

2388
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: the spray chart, by the way, so it was four

2389
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: to the left it's smart. Two of them are picks,

2390
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 1: so just take away. Take away the right side. So yeah,

2391
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 1: that's all the left side of the Patriots. That's always

2392
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: been the strategy for the Patriots against Zach Wilson is

2393
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:55,559
Speaker 1: hurry him into making a bad decision, and more times

2394
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,799
Speaker 1: than not he will make a couple of bad decisions

2395
01:44:57,840 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: a game. They give you the ball, and that's pretty

2396
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: much all right. My last one, and this one is

2397
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: again on the offensive line, because I just think that's

2398
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 1: the key to the game is controlling the line of

2399
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 1: scrimmage for the Patriots. That's my biggest key for this

2400
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 1: game is controlling the line of scrimmage. This matchup terrifies me.

2401
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Terrified Calvin and somebody, Calvin Anderson versus Bryce Huff, their

2402
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 1: speed rusher who's a lot like Van Ginkel, a lot

2403
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: like Josh Uchab It's.

2404
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 2: Not it's not Will McDonald, it's not the first round

2405
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 2: pen stop.

2406
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 1: Uh So. Bryce Huff is super underrated. I think he's

2407
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: one of the one of the better pass rushers in

2408
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: the league, but he's he's a situational guy. John Franklin

2409
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 1: Myers usually plays the bass downs and he plays the

2410
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: the pass rush downs. I don't know if John Franklin

2411
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: Myers is going to be healthy for this game. He

2412
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: was on their injury report as a d NP yesterday.

2413
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be out there

2414
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: for them, But I both guys, John Franklin Myers and

2415
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: their base defense and uh Bryce huff and their sub

2416
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 1: defense both rush off the right tackle. Good luck, good luck.

2417
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 1: You have one of the best based defensive ends in

2418
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: football and John Franklin Myers, and you have one of

2419
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 1: the best speed rushers in football and Bryce Huff all

2420
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: going up against Calvin Anderson. And this is what makes

2421
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 1: Trent Brown so valuable for the Patriots in this game,

2422
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: because they can, you know, leave him on the island

2423
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: backside and then maybe slide or chip or do something

2424
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: to help Calvin Anderson. Because Bryce Huff and John Franklin

2425
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 1: Myers will take over this game if you allow them

2426
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: to go one on one against Calvin Anderson for four quarters,

2427
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:23,320
Speaker 1: they will.

2428
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a game where you got to leave

2429
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 2: you know. I think we see a lot of them

2430
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,640
Speaker 2: leaving six guys in the protection how to usage for

2431
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,760
Speaker 2: Faroh Brown, things like that, because they are going to

2432
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 2: try to on the Jets if we're sitting here doing

2433
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 2: the Jets all right, it's overwhelmed the right. We just

2434
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 2: talked about with Zach Wilson, what you're doing for him

2435
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Same thing, just up front. Overwhelm the right side,

2436
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,719
Speaker 2: Overwhelm the right side. Overwhelm the right side. That's absolutely

2437
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:44,360
Speaker 2: what I'd be saying.

2438
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: What's the last one?

2439
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 2: So this is kind of a weird one. It's just

2440
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,839
Speaker 2: something I've always wanted to see them do. So because

2441
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 2: the Jets play that Seattle defense. The corners don't. They

2442
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:55,800
Speaker 2: play sides.

2443
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:57,720
Speaker 1: They don't travel right, they don't, especially not against a

2444
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: team like the Patriot. And I always forget is on

2445
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 1: the usually the left left back of the side. That's

2446
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 1: why I always get it mixed up right. There are

2447
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,640
Speaker 1: other corners again, him DJ Reid, he's really freaking good too.

2448
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 2: He's a good player. But he's what is he five nine,

2449
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: five ten? He's really good five nine. I know he

2450
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 2: is really good. I I know he is. But you

2451
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 2: have a six ' four jump ball ace that the Jets.

2452
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Got freaking demolished by Xavian.

2453
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: Harr was like six to one. Yeah, you have a

2454
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,839
Speaker 2: jump ball ace and they will give you that matchup.

2455
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 2: So I remember going into the first matchup last year,

2456
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 2: I kept talking about this, Yeah, get DeVante Parker in

2457
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 2: space against DJ Reid, and whether it's jump balls, whether

2458
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 2: it's running through him, just win with size. First play

2459
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 2: the game, do you remember what they did? Quick slant

2460
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:50,639
Speaker 2: to DeVante Parker and he broke a tackle. He broke

2461
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 2: DJ Reed's tackle and in the process, I forget it

2462
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 2: was here at his foot, here at his ankle something like.

2463
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 2: And he didn't play the rest of the game.

2464
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: But like, if that's not the most DeVante Parker line

2465
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 1: I've ever He made a great catch on right away,

2466
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 1: they attacked it and then I shouldn't say, and then

2467
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 1: in the second meeting, I forget exactly what it was.

2468
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 2: But like, Parker didn't play. I'm trying to find his

2469
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: exact snapout. He didn't play a lot. He played forty No,

2470
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 2: that was before the injury. Okay, yeah, I think he

2471
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 2: was still banging. He had just come back from an injury.

2472
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 2: He was still banged up. Well, remember those games were

2473
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 2: like back to back. Yeah, they played the jet right,

2474
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 2: so he was still hurt. Yeah, I don't know, Maybe

2475
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:32,080
Speaker 2: I get DJ Reid's a good player and I understand that,

2476
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 2: but you know how how I am about size and speedy.

2477
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't teach size if you throw the

2478
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 2: ball seven feet in the air, seven and a half

2479
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 2: feet in the air. This is what they did all

2480
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 2: camp to Marcus Jones and Jonathan Jones. If you throw

2481
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 2: the ball seven and a half feet in the air,

2482
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 2: DeVante Parker can get there. DJ Reid can't. I know

2483
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 2: he's good, but he doesn't have a sixty inch vertical Okay,

2484
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 2: I just.

2485
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 1: Hate like that. That's I hear you, and I don't

2486
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 1: disagree with your all point, but I hate that that's

2487
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 1: like the offense, right, I know you do, but it's

2488
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:05,960
Speaker 1: like the only way we can hit a play down

2489
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: the field is if DeVante Parker now jumps.

2490
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,240
Speaker 2: The short But you said earlier like pick on matchups, right,

2491
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 2: that's what they have to do. Yeah, DeVante Parker is

2492
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:14,200
Speaker 2: not gonna run away from DJ Reed, but he does

2493
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 2: have separation from him just off his frame alone. Use it. Yeah,

2494
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 2: you have so this defense. And just for the record,

2495
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 2: like let me phrase a certain way. I'm not saying

2496
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 2: that they should throw the ball to Devonte Parker fifteen times.

2497
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that this should be like the focus

2498
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:31,080
Speaker 2: of the offense. But red zone third down, like this

2499
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:33,719
Speaker 2: is something they should use. It's a matchup. You're gonna

2500
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 2: have pick your spots with it. Use it.

2501
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't necessarily disagree. But there their defense. You know,

2502
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: they are zone based defense. They are a little bit Seattle,

2503
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: but they've they've played more split safety than Seattle recently

2504
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: because of all. You know, everybody plays more split safety now.

2505
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be deep balls. It can

2506
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 2: be you know, different routes. Just it doesn't It's not

2507
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 2: just deep balls, jump balls. You want him to box

2508
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:57,719
Speaker 2: out right. It could be comebacks. It can be throwing

2509
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 2: throwing the out route, throw it over the boundary. He

2510
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 2: can't re ch out over the boundary, Parker Ken. There's

2511
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 2: all different ways you can. I hear you.

2512
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with this Jets defense when

2513
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:08,639
Speaker 1: when you watch them, is, you know, you often hear

2514
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 1: about that the speed of the defense is really predicated

2515
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: by the linebackers. Like fast defenses and those CJ. Moseley

2516
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 1: and Quincy Williams are a great duo.

2517
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't even know I wanted to include

2518
01:50:21,880 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 2: them all. I wanted to include. I don't even know

2519
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 2: what like the matchup is for them because they're just

2520
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 2: so all over the field.

2521
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 1: They they fly to the ball. I mean, Quincy Williams

2522
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: he had to play against Dallas, you know, one of

2523
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 1: those classic just like playing the weak side linebacker spot

2524
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: and you just see him just go right across the

2525
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 1: field and make the tackle. Their fast, their physical defense

2526
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: up front, their classic zone based defense though, and what

2527
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 1: Dallas did was, you know, they Dallas dink and dunked

2528
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 1: on them. They didn't Dallas didn't throw the ball down

2529
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,040
Speaker 1: the field a whole lot, which I'm perfectly fine if

2530
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots come out and do that. Yeah, Dak Prescott's

2531
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 1: air yards per attempt was five. He had two deep

2532
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 1: balls the entire game. They just took their their checkdowns,

2533
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: They took the you know, they ran a lot of

2534
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: slant flat, curl flat, you know underneath quick game type

2535
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: of stuff, RPO you know, a lot of screens off

2536
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 1: of RPOs as well, and they they really just kind

2537
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 1: of took what's the layups that was given to them

2538
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: by the defense. And I think that, you know, the

2539
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 1: Patriots have to do some similar things like that in

2540
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: this game. They have to stay patient. They have to

2541
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: get the ball out of mac Jones's hands. They have

2542
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, kind of carve up

2543
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: the underneath part of the field. On the outside, especially

2544
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 1: those flats are gonna be the spots where you really

2545
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: have to work this defense. That's what they give you.

2546
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, every defense gives you something, Like you can't

2547
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,679
Speaker 1: cover every single thing, so every defense gives you something.

2548
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: And for this defense, it's usually the flats, but it's

2549
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 1: a really good d I wouldn't expect a whole lot

2550
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 1: of points from the Patriots offense unless they get a

2551
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: bunch of short fields, which is certainly possible. And then

2552
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 1: we talked about with Zach Wilson. I mean, you just

2553
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: got to get pressure on the quarterback like that's that's

2554
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: the bottom line. And their offensive line right now is

2555
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: in shambles. It's worse than the Patriots offensive line. They

2556
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: are giving up a fifty two percent pressure rate, right

2557
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: that is absurd.

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01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, they they played the Cowboys,

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01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 2: which exkews that excuse a little bit here.

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01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Fifty for an NFL offense, it's absurdly high. Is just

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01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: for people to understand, like the league average is probably

2562
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 1: like twenty eight or twenty ninewhere, so they doubled the

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01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 1: league as if.

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01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 2: You're below thirty, you're probably in good shape. If you're

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01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:24,960
Speaker 2: over forty, that's considered.

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01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 1: So it depends on like the offense, you know, like

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01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: pocket quarterbacks like Mac Jones. You want it to be

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01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 1: like hovering around thirty, mostly under thirty. I always say,

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01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,720
Speaker 1: like the panic meter hits for me when it's over

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01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 1: thirty with Mac because he is a quick decision making

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01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 1: pocket passer, so he's not holding the ball. So yeah,

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01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: those are the keys, and we have one more phone

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01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: call and then we'll wrap it. It's Tony from Dartmouth.

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01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 1: What's up, Tony?

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01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 4: Hey, I can make a suggestion, Evan. Is that post

2576
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:55,800
Speaker 4: in the snap counts on the website every week?

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01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start doing something like that.

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01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 4: And the other thing is I have a complaint they

2579
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 4: never resigned third and fourth year players to second year

2580
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 4: second contracts instead of signing them after the third year.

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01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,640
Speaker 4: They let him get the free agency. And you know,

2582
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 4: if you've invested somebody and he's good, you said, start

2583
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 4: to hold onto these guys.

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01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a great point. And thanks for the call, Tony.

2585
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: We're just up against it a little bit here at

2586
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:26,640
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, we've talked about this, you know

2587
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 1: a little bit with the upcoming free agents, josh U,

2588
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 1: j Mike Onwenu, Kyle Dugger and I I'm with Tony

2589
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: on this one hundred percent that at some point you

2590
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: have to start building a core to your team and

2591
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: if all you keep doing is recycling players every three

2592
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: to four years and you're never really building anything. And

2593
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 1: I did that great piece of night, you know, big

2594
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: things to to Devin mccordy for talking to me about

2595
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 1: it right before the season started on the safety transition

2596
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 1: away from Devin McCarty. And one thing that really stood

2597
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: out to me was how often he referenced Pat Chung

2598
01:54:00,160 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 1: Dearron Harmon. Like the whole interview, he was like, you know, we,

2599
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:07,240
Speaker 1: And when he said we, he didn't mean him and

2600
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger and Adrian Phillips. He met Pat Chung and

2601
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 1: Deron Harmon, right, and those three guys, those three safeties

2602
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,640
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, played six seasons together, which is an

2603
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 1: eternity in the NFL and obviously had a ton of success.

2604
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:21,680
Speaker 1: But the point was that he was trying to make

2605
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: was that they just knew where each other was going

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01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 1: to be, right, Like they knew Devin was going to

2607
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: be where he was going to be, and Doron was

2608
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 1: going to be in the deep part of the field,

2609
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 1: and Chung was going to be in the star role

2610
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 1: and the slaughter off the ball in the linebacker spot,

2611
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 1: and like they just knew where each other's like weaknesses are,

2612
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: what their strengths were, where they were going to line up.

2613
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: And his whole point was is that, like you know,

2614
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:45,080
Speaker 1: we talked about it, you know a little bit today

2615
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,800
Speaker 1: when it's third and eight for the game, they knew

2616
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 1: where they were going to go, They knew who was

2617
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: responsible for what, they knew where everybody was going to

2618
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 1: be at, and it was why they were so successful.

2619
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: That's part of playing together. Like that's part of playing

2620
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 1: together year after year after year, game after game, and

2621
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: those guys became like, you know, just they had like

2622
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 1: a this telepathic communication there. They didn't even need to

2623
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 1: tell each other pre snap where everybody was gonna be at.

2624
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: That's what you would like to see with some of

2625
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: these young core pieces, you know. I mean, we look

2626
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 1: we trashed a little bit on Cole Strange, but like

2627
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 1: if your line is like Cole Strange and Mike On

2628
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Winu and some of these guys that you keep bringing

2629
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 1: these guys back that type of continuity. Not only do

2630
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: do you hope that they develop into better or better

2631
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:36,160
Speaker 1: better players, but like that type of continuity can help.

2632
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: Like in the secondary, you have Dugger, you have Christian Gonzalez,

2633
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 1: you have Marty Mapun with whatever role they're gonna use

2634
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 1: him in, and like you just hope that those guys

2635
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: stick around. Maybe it's Marcus Jones too and in some

2636
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,840
Speaker 1: sort of role, and you hope that those guys stick

2637
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: around and become Deron Harmon, Pat Chung and Devin mccordy,

2638
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, And now all of a sudden they have

2639
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 1: this core of their secondary to build on a year

2640
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 1: after year. And that's what we keep harping on on

2641
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,320
Speaker 1: this show, I think is you know, you got to

2642
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: re sign some of those guys, You got to retain

2643
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 1: some of this talent. Now I'm not necessarily saying, you know,

2644
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 1: you know my stance on guards, like if Mike On went,

2645
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: Who's gonna reset the guard market? Then I'm okay, Like

2646
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 1: if they don't like do that, well.

2647
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:20,280
Speaker 2: Especially after they use three picks on interior offensive line,

2648
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 2: right right.

2649
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 1: It's just not great allocation of resources. But in general,

2650
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 1: like Kyle Duggar is an automatic resign for me. He's

2651
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 1: not perfect, he makes some mistakes, but he makes a

2652
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: ton of really good standout plays for you as well.

2653
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:36,640
Speaker 1: And I think that he's the type of player that

2654
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 1: you should be building with with the next core of

2655
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots on defense, they gotta find some core pieces,

2656
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 1: they gotta find some pillars of this organization and and

2657
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 1: try to stick with those guys. And I think they

2658
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: have a couple it with some of the last couple

2659
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: of draft classes.

2660
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said exactly. You got to start building a

2661
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 2: corp at some point. You got to have a group

2662
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 2: that's going to lead the way. And I there's cases

2663
01:56:57,200 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 2: to be made for letting both on WINU and WK Yeah,

2664
01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 2: and I actually agree with a lot of them. But

2665
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger should be a Patriot. Kyle Duggar, Daddy. It's

2666
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 2: not like there's been good players that have come through

2667
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 2: here that they let go after their rookie deal, who

2668
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 2: you knew were good players, but just like didn't it

2669
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 2: didn't make sense to keep them. Like I always go

2670
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 2: back to Chandler Jones because they let Chandler Jones walk

2671
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 2: in the next year or two years later, whatever it was,

2672
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 2: he sets the NFL SAX record. How do they get him?

2673
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,240
Speaker 2: Let him go? He was never going to set that

2674
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 2: record here. It's not how they play. They ended up

2675
01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 2: with Trey Flowers, who was another good player who fit

2676
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 2: their scheme better. And well, they didn't have the gaudy numbers.

2677
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 2: It made sense, right, Kyle Dugger isn't just a good player, kuit.

2678
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 2: You ask them, what do you want in a safety?

2679
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 2: They were going to describe Kyle Dugger. Yea, that is

2680
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 2: the guy you keep around. That is the kind of

2681
01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:51,640
Speaker 2: guy you make sure you pay. I'm most surprised they

2682
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 2: didn't do it during camp because his age is going

2683
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 2: to drag his contract value down a little bit. But

2684
01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna get paid. He's going to get paid this summer.

2685
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm with you, all right, whatever, all right, so

2686
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 1: we'll be back next week. I liked this format. It

2687
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 1: was a little bit more not off the rails. Didn't

2688
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: you think it was.

2689
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 2: A little bit It felt more or less the same?

2690
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, maybe, all right, Well we're gonna stick with it.

2691
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 1: I think I liked it, so I will be back

2692
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 1: next week's, same time, same place, recap the Jets game,

2693
01:58:18,240 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 1: look ahead to the Dallas game. I'm looking forward to

2694
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: going at Jerry's World. That was like one of the

2695
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 1: games on the schedule that I circled that I was like,

2696
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:26,120
Speaker 1: this is gonna be cool. Go down to Dallas, get

2697
01:58:26,160 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: some barbecue, go see the stadium. But we'll talk about

2698
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 1: that next Thursday, saying so, thanks so much for listening

2699
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: and we'll see you then.

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01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:38,440
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