1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It is a huge episode. We're 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: still in Tahoe at Squaw Valley hanging out. Ashley, thank 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: you so much for coming to Bachelor Live on Stage 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: last night. It was so much fun. It's pure two 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: hours of entertainment. I think the best part of the 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: show is if you love the Bachelor, when you come 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: to Bachelor Live on Stage, you've got to expect for 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: the whole season to be condensed down to two hours, 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: and so you hopefully see some type of connection made 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: from start to finish within a two hours show. We 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: talked a lot about Bachelor Live on Stage last episode. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Make sure you go check out our Valentine's Day special 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: where we ask some ridiculous questions to some of Bachelor 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: Nation's favorite couples, including Ashley and Jeared. So the part 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: of us being together on Tahoe meant that we got 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: to watch the episode together together this weekend, and it 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: was so much fun doing it as a group, and 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: I like love that I was able to look at 20 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: you in the middle of certain hearts and be like, oh, 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: we're talking about that. Oh, I can't believe that just 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: happened and watched as a group in a long time, 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: because when I do watch as a group, you can 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: barely hear anything, and we need to pick up all 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: these little nuances. But it was actually fun and somehow 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: we were able to really pick up on everything. I 27 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: actually think Ashley and I might be wrong. I'm just 28 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: gonna throw it out there and see what you think. Um. 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: In the two and a half years that we've done 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: this podcast, was last night that it was like, no, 31 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: was the last night with this weekend we watched the 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: episode was the very first time we've ever watched an 33 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: episode together. Yeah, I think it actually is something we 34 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: should why do more often? It was fun and it 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: was actually like I do get a little annoyed sometimes, 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: like in all events watching sports with people, or like 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: watching the Batcher because you need to hear it. But 38 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: when we watched together, people were screaming, yelling, like, I 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: see why people get so invested in the show now. Yeah, 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: it's it's fun, it's a team sport. It's a team sport. Well, Ashley, 41 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: this is a huge episode. Let's pause here, take one break. 42 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna dive into dissecting this episode. 43 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: From start to finish, and trust me, this episode had action, 44 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: had drama, had confusion from start to finish. We'll be 45 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: back with the Almost Fame podcast. We start out on 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: the very first hometown date with Hannah and somebody. Actually 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: at this point in the season, it's now a time 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: for us to pause to understand who's left and we 49 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: can really start to dissect their stories with the bachelor, 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: which in this case is Peter. Hannah Ann has I 51 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: would say been one at the beginning I thought had 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: a good chance, but yet kind of disappeared, kind of 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: gotten the fringe of like wait, is she gonna be 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: the villain, and then kind of was quiet for a 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: few weeks and now we still see her around. On 56 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: what's your thoughts on Hannah Anne? My thought is that, like, 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: I get why she why he likes her, but I 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: don't see him falling in love with her. And it 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: seemed like he was very anxious last night to say 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with you, And it was crazy 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: that he was like down to say that because her 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: dad clearly said, do not say this to my daughter 63 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: unless basically she's the one, Like unless you one no 64 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: doubt feel it, So like he likes her enough. You're 65 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: telling me that after that conversation with the dad, he 66 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: likes her enough to do it. He loves her enough. 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: That would be my That would be my take. If 68 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: I just had last night and a micro coos him 69 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: to review, I would have watched the dad's conversation with Peter. 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: How intentional the dad was by saying, Peter, I'm not 71 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: going to close this door on you, Like I'm not 72 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: totally against this, but just know, if this is not 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: pretty much what I took from this is, if this 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: is not a first sure thing, please don't tell my 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: daughter this. And I get this from my own experience. 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: I've been there, like those words matter. And then he just, 77 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, closes the door. You know, he walks out 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: of the house, two steps, closes the door and says it. So, 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: in my take, Ashley, if I were to sit here 80 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: to today with you without knowing anything else, I would say, 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: Hannah and is the front runner? I guess so right 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: based on that, we would have to say the intentionality 83 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: of the conversation. And then how quickly he responded by saying, Hannah, 84 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: and your dad told me not to say this unless 85 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: you're the one, but I'm falling for you, but he 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: knows that his feelings for Madison are stronger. We don't 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: know that right now. Based on last week, I think 88 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: that the dude knows. I'm saying, just on that conversation 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: and how Peter responded, we have to say, Hanah AND's 90 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: the front unner. Just to preface this whole breakdown of 91 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: the episode, the dates on hometowns are great, They're fine. 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: I don't think we get to know a lot about 93 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: the person before we get to the house. The house, like, 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: we don't even talk about that. Yeah, the house is 95 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: what matters. So we start out hot. I know last 96 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: night when we were watching the episode, we're freaked out. 97 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: We both this is the first time we looked at 98 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: each other. We're like, holy cow, and I wonder and 99 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: we don't know this ship. This could either be. I 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: will say this, and and everybody's knows that I've been 101 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: a proponent of Peter all season. I think he's a 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: nice guy. I think the contestants overwhelmed him. I think 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: he really wants to see this work. I think we 104 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: need to still root for Peter. I will say this, 105 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: mark my words. The decision Peter made last night after 106 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: having the conversation with Handa, Anne will either go down 107 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: as the most beautiful moment of the season or his 108 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: worst mistake. His worst we already saw a worst mistake 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: later in the episode. We're not there yet. I will say, 110 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: I will say that when a dad looks at you, 111 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: or any family member looks at you and says, please 112 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: do not say this to my daughter unless it is 113 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: the real thing, and then you respond by saying it, 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: it either will be a beautiful moment for us to 115 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: celebrate and go that's when we recognized it, or if 116 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't choose Hannah, and at the end, we'll say 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: that was a really terrible decision. And I and I 118 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: speak from this not in judgment, because I've been there. 119 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: I've made a similar mistake in my life on this experience, 120 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: and I know the emotions of how that feels. I'm 121 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: saying for my own mistakes and that I've learned from 122 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 1: and looking back on, it will either be a great 123 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: moment or a really really hard moment. Okay, So I'm 124 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: gonna just not agree with you here because I think 125 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: there's gonna be I think him you know, I know 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm skipping ahead, but I think him keeping Victoria is like, 127 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: you're right, maybe not morally as much of a mistake 128 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: as it is just like talk to a girl's dad 129 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: and then say it. But I think that the drama ahead, 130 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: based on the scenes for the next episode, allude to 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: me that he makes a bigger mistake. We don't Actually 132 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is we don't. I don't, we don't know. 133 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I know you're talking about in this episode, what we 134 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: know so far leading up to this point without assuming anything, 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: we cannot assume anything of how this plays out assumptions 136 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: we at this point, that's where we're at. Moving on. 137 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: Then we get in the next home date, hometown date, 138 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: which was it was Kelsey Kelsey. I think at this 139 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: point we pretty much knew that unless at this point 140 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: we're watching the episode chronologically, it felt like Kelsey definitely 141 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: had the least amount of connection with Peter outside of 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: everybody else. In my opinion, yeah, I guess we're at 143 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: that point. I don't know. I don't know. I think 144 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: that based on me, you know, I don't know, because 145 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: watching them versus watching Hannah Ann and him, I feel 146 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: more of a connection between him and Kelsey than him 147 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and Hannah and Why is that you felt like that 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the whole season. You've been a Kelsey supporter. Really, Yeah, 149 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: because I get her because she's such a crier, she's 150 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: so expressive her emotion. She's so like shamelessly open about it. 151 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: So I like her because of that. But I also 152 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: feel like he's the kind of guy that really connects 153 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: to women who show emotion. And I just feel like, 154 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: like two weeks ago he was asking Hannah and to 155 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: show him more, and this in this episode, like he's 156 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: falling in love with her. Like, I just don't know 157 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: where this came about. I did, actually, and I don't 158 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: know if it will be a popular opinion or not. 159 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: I really did enjoy Kelsey and Peter's date at the wine. 160 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: I thought the wine thing was really fun. I thought 161 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: it was a good date. It was a fun idea. 162 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: I think it'd actually be a great group date on 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: the season if everybody stood inside and made some wine. 164 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: Maybe they've done it, I don't know. But the um 165 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: then we go to the home, which we've learned about 166 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Kelsey's home life really throughout the season, and the bad 167 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: thing didn't come up. The dad thing didn't come up, 168 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: which was surprising to me. Because it was such a 169 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: powerful moment for their relationship early on in the season. 170 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah wait, thinking about that, that's so crazy. You would 171 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: think that they would have had some play on the 172 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: dad during Hometowns after she did big reveal to him 173 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: last week about how she's in touch with him but 174 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: her mom doesn't know yet. So that part was intrigued 175 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: to me. Not because I need to get into their 176 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: family business and as a viewer I don't, but like, 177 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: if I was Peter and if I'm Kelsey, I'm walking 178 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: into that house going what is the dynamic? Like I 179 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: want to ask some of the questions to understand how 180 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: the mom feels. Well, we don't know. Was it it 181 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: was a stepdad, Yeah, it's a stepdad. So I think 182 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: Kelsey's hometown date was done beautifully, but it felt like 183 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: it fell short compared to the others. Okay, fair enough, yes, 184 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: fair enough, fair enough. So at this point in the episode, UM, 185 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: just to make this as simple as possible for everybody 186 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: listening and for ourselves, we have a hometown date with 187 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: Hannah Ann and a hometown date with Kelsey. Hannah Ann's 188 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: hometown date, I thought felt emotional. It felt like it 189 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: pulled at the heartstrings. It felt like Hannah An maybe 190 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: for the first time all season, was authentically looking at 191 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: Peter and going, I don't want to lose you. I 192 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: think the rest of the time was kind of this confusion, 193 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: like I really am falling for you. I like you 194 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot. I think I think I might love you, 195 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I thought at the hometowns it 196 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe hit her that this guy is somebody she doesn't 197 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: want to lose. Okay, I really wish that I could 198 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: feel this. I don't feel it. I don't feel Hannah 199 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: and this connection to him at all. Tori, I think 200 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: I need another girl's perspective. Are you feeling are you? 201 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: Are you feeling at all about Peter and any connection? 202 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: And this is not me like mean girling her because 203 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season I didn't love her. 204 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: Producer Tori, who is kindly engineering and editing this podcast 205 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: here in Tahoe, is sitting here with a response, I 206 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: haven't felt a connection from the beginning. That's just me. 207 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: I also will say, though I don't know if the 208 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: person to ask, because I don't feel connection with any 209 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 1: of these girls, i'd feel a connection. I feel like 210 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: he has a connection obviously with Victoria f and then 211 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: which is weird, which is weird about one and then 212 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: we I obviously feel like he has a connection with Madison. 213 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: I think Hannah, and it's like he loves his little 214 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: Alabama girls, you know, and she's endearing and she's sweet 215 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and she's beautiful. But I don't think he really I 216 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: don't interpret it as like he sees her as his wife. 217 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: He sees her as like she's just really cute girl 218 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and like we're doing this together. Yeah, he's she's a 219 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: really cute girl like he'd like to date. But like, 220 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: I don't think that he has like this overwhelming emotion 221 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: for her. But I guess I'm wrong considering he's saying 222 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with it. Well yeah. And I 223 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: will say though his his letter, the list of things 224 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: he loves about her was sweet of him to do. Yes, 225 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: it was sweet, and it's a gesture that like he 226 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: didn't need to do. I will say that from personal 227 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: experience on the show is that had to be his choice. 228 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: He had to be sitting there going I want to 229 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: offer Hannah and something and this was his choice to do, 230 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: which is a very very good moment. Moving on then 231 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: from the hannah An and Kelty we get into really 232 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: the pivotal moments of this episode. We've all been interested 233 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: in madison storyline. We felt, like a lot of us 234 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: that Madison had the most genuine relationship with Peter and 235 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: probably the best potential to be with Peter long term 236 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: after this experience. We felt like that for really weeks 237 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: since week one. It's a lot of times our listeners 238 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: have been writing us like crazy saying that she is 239 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: the only one that they have felt any connection with, 240 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: that any type of like rooting for in this whole thing. 241 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: So this was a big moment for Peter to go 242 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: to her hometown. Uh. We pick it up in at 243 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: Auburn University, where Madison's father is an assistant basketball coach there, 244 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: and then we go to a beautiful home wherever. That 245 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: was their beautiful home there in Auburn, which I thought 246 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: was like the coolest thing I've ever seen. I love 247 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: that style very um And there is some underlying things 248 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: with the relationship with Madison and Peter that I don't 249 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: feel like either of them are doing a great job 250 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: talking about. And I think it came to the surface 251 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: during Hometowns when the family asked Madison, Madison pretty much, 252 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: how much does Peter know about you and your choices 253 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: and your morals and your values in life, the faith 254 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: that you hold and why you hold to this faith. 255 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: And it felt like at that moment she froze and like, 256 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm assuming what we saw she wanted to say is 257 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: he doesn't know a lot about it, which is obviously, 258 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: to the people that know and love Madison best, the 259 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: most foundational important thing about who she is and what 260 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: makes her tick. Yeah. I feel like when we're watching 261 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: that part, I kind of feel for Madison because her 262 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: parents are like, have you had these serious conversations? And 263 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: she's like, well, I've broached the topic. We definitely discussed it. 264 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: But I think in her head she's probably like, you 265 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: guys don't understand this process. I've had to one on 266 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: ones with them, Like that's two dates, Like would you 267 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: be bringing this stuff up on your third day in 268 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: real life? Like it's not you really want to like 269 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: create a camaraderie before you start getting that serious. I 270 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: do agree. I think there's an intentionality to it all. 271 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: I think, and I've said this before, I think it's 272 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: the part that Peter has missed on the most all 273 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: season is digging in and asking important Okay, so that's 274 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: that's definitely I think he did is when she brings 275 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: up to him in the last episode, like to talk 276 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: about any of those things is not easy, you know. 277 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: Jessica and I, I'd say it took us a few 278 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: dates when we really started to talk about, Hey, these 279 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: are my expectations, these who this is who I want 280 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: to be. This is how I need you to respect 281 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: me and like honor me as a person. We both 282 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: shared that to each other early on, so that I 283 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: could be the man that she needed me to be 284 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: to her, and she could be the woman that I 285 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: needed her to be to me. That wasn't too far 286 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: into our relationship that we started to have those kind 287 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: of conversations. Just say, as we progressed forward, just know 288 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: these are my boundaries, these are my standards, these are 289 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: this is how I need to be treated, and this 290 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: is what I know I want in a relationship. That 291 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: wasn't too far along in our relationship. So so here's 292 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: the problem. And again let me preface this was saying 293 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: I am a Peter fan. I like this guy. I 294 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: think he got a rough go at it when Madison 295 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: brings up to him the topic of faith yes last 296 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: week and why faith was so important to her. I 297 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: will tell you this, in any dating relationship show or 298 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: not dig in, ask why be curious, be be incredible, 299 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: be so non apologetically curious that at the end of it, 300 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: even if you disagree, and even if you have to 301 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: part ways, at least you understand. And I felt like 302 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: after that conversation we glossed over it, and last week 303 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: you were saying last week that you felt like, but 304 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: I think it's now becoming an issue. It's coming to 305 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: the surface this week because of the lack of communication 306 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: last week. I guess I would say to play Devil's advocate, like, 307 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: perhaps that stuff was edited out. We're not going to 308 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: see like this in depth religious Actually, I'm gonna interrupt 309 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: you there. Though I would agree with you that could 310 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: think I'm just I playing Devil's advocate. I agree with 311 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: you that it could have been edited out. If at 312 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: hometowns when her family asked her how much about this 313 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: Peter knows and she doesn't know how to receive, she 314 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't stuttered. She would have said, oh, we had a 315 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: great conversation about it last week. And this is how 316 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: he responded to me, this is what we talked about. Instead, 317 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: she was like, well, not a lot. Well, I think 318 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: in that moment with her mom, she was directly referring 319 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: to saving herself her marriage, and I think Madison was like, 320 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: I talked about faith with him, but I didn't spell 321 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: that part out yet, Okay. And I don't think it's 322 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: wrong of her to wait to fantasy Suites to really 323 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: have that conversation. Becca did. Becca waited until fantasy Suites 324 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: for Christals. I think it's a fair time. I think 325 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: because there's a connotation around fantasy suites, you're going to 326 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: be spending the night together. What do you expect? What 327 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: do you want? Like, I think expectations have to get 328 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: set on both sides. We don't know what happens next 329 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: week with any of this, but what we do know 330 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: is that it has to be talked about now like 331 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: it has this. We have to see both of those 332 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: Madison and Peter step up and start sharing who they 333 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: are as people if we're going to root for them 334 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: to be an actual couple afterwards. Well, we see at 335 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the end of the episode she pulls him aside. She's 336 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: obviously about to go tell him that fair, I hope. 337 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I assume, but again, can we 338 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: really assume anything on this show. So I think we 339 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: see her pulling him aside, and I think that's where 340 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: she's first going to tell him that she's gonna wait 341 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: till marriage. And then we see them on in a 342 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: date setting where she goes where she says something along 343 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: the lines of I'm not going to be okay. She said, 344 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be okay with you sleeping with 345 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: anybody else, or I would consider leaving if I knew 346 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: that you sleep with anybody else. Yes, we do see that. 347 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: So here Ashley is where which we may come up 348 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: with some parallels to the Luke situation, but I don't 349 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: think we should approach that until next week when we 350 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: actually see the conversation go down. But here's the thing 351 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: that we'll be watching for. How Madison presents the topic. 352 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: Is it the meaning is? Does it feel like she 353 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: is putting Peter in a corner? Does it feel like 354 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: she is diminishing who what he feels is right and wrong? 355 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Or is she open to having a conversation so that 356 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: she can share who she is so Peter can share 357 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: who he is, and they can come to some type 358 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: of agreement and understanding in the middle. I think that 359 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: will be the difference between Luke p and Madison. Okay, 360 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: so the crux of the argument last Okay, there was 361 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: so many problems with Luke P. But a lot of 362 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: people had the problem with him that he said that 363 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: he was trying to tell Hannah what to do with 364 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: her body, and in this case it might be Madison 365 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: telling Peter the same. Is there gonna be a double standard? 366 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: I think listeners, Please write us in at the Ben 367 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: and Ashley I at my Please write us at Ben 368 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: and Ashley at iHeart media dot com. Let us know 369 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Will there be a double standard? Again, we 370 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: are assuming we're predicting, But write us in and say, 371 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: what is it that you're looking for in that conversation 372 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: with Madison? Because here's the other problem, Ashley, I want 373 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: and I believe that these conversations need to exist in relationships. 374 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: So how are they done correctly? And then how are 375 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: they also done poorly? So that's gonna be really interesting 376 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to see how how Madison handles it. Next week, huge storyline, 377 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: and we can't cannot neglect the final hometown date. When 378 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: we come back, we are gonna finish breaking down this episode. 379 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk Victoria F. And then we might just 380 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: have to come back around and close out this episode 381 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: by talking about the roast ceremony. We'll be back with 382 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast Victoria F's Hometown Ish. It felt 383 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: so good for not very long, actually all season. I 384 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: mean honestly, it was brought up to me with Becca 385 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: and Jesse when they came into the podcast is when 386 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: I first recognized that Victoria F has this tendency to 387 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: run away to kind of like flip the conversation a 388 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: little bit, but also just that her and Peters really 389 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: ship felt so unhealthy. It starts out great, but actually 390 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: it's actually wacky when you think about the fact that 391 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: he kept her after all this, It's really like, what 392 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: the hell does she do to him? Producer Amy thinks 393 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: that she has like a voodood all and like she's 394 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: doing some sort of spells on him, which actually at 395 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: this point doesn't even seem like that wacky. Um. Okay, 396 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: So they're out on a date. Hunter Hayes shows up, 397 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: which is funny because you know another country star. I 398 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: would ask her right away, you haven't dated Hunter Hayes. Right, 399 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: did you hear the you know the lyrics of that song. 400 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: It's like this, it's a crazy um is it? Um? 401 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't need crazy? What is it? I don't want easy, 402 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: I want crazy? Like I wonder if they were playing 403 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: into that. I think the show always has some undertones 404 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: to it. I believe that fully. So. Then his ex 405 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Marissa comes up, and it seems like they have a 406 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: very friendly, trusting relationship. They maybe ex is, but it 407 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: seems like they ended on good terms, or they ended 408 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: up very long time ago and they just don't care 409 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: what happened anymore. But she seems like a resource um 410 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: that he would trust. And she comes up to him 411 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: and says, I'm really worried about you pursuing this stuff 412 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: further with Victorias. She has a really bad reputation around 413 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: here in the Virginia Beach area. And then, you know, 414 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: if I were Peter, this is one of those times 415 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: been where he doesn't dig, I'd be like, what what 416 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: do you mean? Like tell me everything? I'd like, tell 417 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: me everything. He's shocked. He is, He's shocked and thrown off. 418 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: And I think Ashley, in this moment two he had 419 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: had such a good day with the woman. He's obviously 420 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: into that. It just felt defeating. I think he was 421 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: just defeated. Yeah, he was like again, more drama with 422 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: her again. So Marissa says that Victoria f has broken 423 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: up relationships in the past, has meddled, and those relationships 424 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: have gone after her involvement, So he doesn't, you know, 425 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 1: he doesn't dig further than that, And I would be like, 426 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: tell me everything you know. But then again, okay, and 427 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: then from our sources that we hear that are close 428 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: to the situation, who have known Victoria in the past 429 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: in Virginia Beach, and we hope to have one of 430 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: these sources on the podcast by the end of the season. 431 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: But right now I can just say that allegedly they 432 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: say that she has broken up marriages, her friends marriages. 433 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: We don't have confirmation of this. All we're saying is 434 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: that our source is telling us that that is their 435 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: opinion of what has gone down between Victoria and some 436 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: other men in the Virginia Beach area. This is obviously 437 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: just something we've heard. It is not confirmed by any means. 438 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: But no matter what, this is a heavy situation for 439 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: Peter to process. I cannot imagine being in his footsteps 440 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: going on a great date with somebody he cares about, 441 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 1: having somebody come up to you randomly who you've dated. 442 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: In saying, Peter, I think you're a great guy and 443 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: as a result, I need you to know this that 444 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: is I mean, watching this again is one of those 445 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: moments that we talked about every season. It's like one 446 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: of those moments where like this becomes very real, very quickly, 447 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: and I feel for Peter because you see it in 448 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: his eyes where it's just like I don't like, I 449 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: don't even understand, Like I don't get what you're saying. 450 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: And let's cut it there, because I think the most 451 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: important piece of this is Marissa is sharing something with Peter. 452 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: He ends it with going, I don't understand. I just 453 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: feel defeated. I'm confused. We pick it up again with 454 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: Peter showing up at the doorsteps sharing that only Hey, Victoria, 455 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I feel defeated. I'm confused. This is 456 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: what was said to me, and I need to ask 457 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: you about it because I just need to get it 458 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: out there. I I can't I care about you too 459 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: much to let this hang over us. And I thought 460 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: her response was wildly unfair Todahim. Okay, So first let's 461 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: just say that she does address the relationship breaking and 462 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: like the first line she says, like did she say 463 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: like I and we need I wish I could have 464 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: the quote, but she said something like I absolutely have 465 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: not that not the truth, right, something along the lines 466 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: of like denial. There was denial. There was one sentence 467 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: of denial before she flips the entire conversation and makes 468 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: it about how he came here to see her family 469 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: and how she can't believe that he's bringing something like 470 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: that up. And it was just like a whole thing 471 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: where she flipped the conversation and made herself the victim 472 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: in it. What do we call that? What is that called? 473 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: There's I'm sure there's some like millennials lighting. This is 474 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: like a new expression that I'm not really sure it's 475 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: such a millennial thing. I'm trying to learn what it means. 476 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: But it basically means like taking a situation and like 477 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: making the other person feel bad about even bringing it 478 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: up in the first place. Yeah, exactly makes it's trying 479 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: to make the other person feel crazy in the situation, 480 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what we were feeling here, let's take it. 481 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: Definitely was trying to make him feel crazy. I thought 482 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: it was so unfair, because I really do. Everybody's given 483 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: Peter so much heat this season, like so much, so 484 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: much heat, and they've also given the ladies a lot 485 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: of heat as well. I'm saying that it's not like 486 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: they haven't got off Scott Tree. But I thought he 487 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: handled this really well. I thought he went into it, 488 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: took a deep breath, he wasn't angry, he didn't come 489 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: out with emotion. He just said, Victoria, I need to 490 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: know this, And all of a sudden he had to 491 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: get defensive because she's going, you came all the way here, 492 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: and I was so excited for you mean my family, 493 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: and you have to bring this up, and he's like, Victory, 494 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. I just I need to 495 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: talk to my partner right now. So many things. He 496 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: does handle these situations really well. Like he does he 497 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: does not have a temper, like, he does not flare up. 498 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: He really is able to stay even keeled, and I 499 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: think it's super impressive. But I can't believe that he's 500 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: actually saying so even keeled when she's slipping this conversation 501 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: on him like at this point he should probably say 502 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: something like you stop doing this, back stop, I need 503 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: to know about what Marissa said, And he never stopped 504 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 1: her and never readdressed the actual crux of the situation. 505 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: It's actually the truth of all this too, is there's 506 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: an interesting moment where he's standing there in the uh 507 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: like driveway or in the road with Victoria, and she 508 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: started saying some stuff to him, and and as we 509 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: watched together, everybody was like, what, like, what is she saying? 510 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: In Peter's first response was what are you saying? Like? 511 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: This isn't making any sense to me, and it wasn't 512 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: making any sense to any of us. And we leave 513 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: this conversation, all of us really frustrated, feeling really bad 514 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: for Peter and also I mean in a sense just 515 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: that this conversation had to exist in general, and also 516 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: really confused if it was true or not, because Victoria 517 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: never completed a sentence. Oh no, no, I was not 518 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: confused because if anything, her silence and her not denying 519 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: the allegations was was her telling him exactly what happened, 520 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: and that was that what Marissa said was true. If 521 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: if some I'm trying to put myself into her shoes. 522 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: So if there was something that was asked of me 523 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: that was not true, like if somebody sat down and said, been, 524 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: i've heard this about you, and this is what I've heard, 525 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: I need to know. I think defense being defensive right 526 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: away is a a natural response. I think you could 527 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: be like, well, well, this is like but then all 528 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I think there's a calmness to it 529 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: and go, I need you to know that this is 530 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: not true, and I don't know how to prove it 531 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: to you, but please like understand that what was ever 532 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: said is not the case, or like there's a confirmation. 533 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: They're just saying, like, I know right now this feels heavy. 534 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: I know it feels weird, but like we're like, I'm 535 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: willing to work with you for you to understand that 536 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: this these allegations aren't true, and like I just need 537 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: you to stick with me as we try to figure 538 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: this out. I think that's the fair response. Instead, we 539 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of like open ended thoughts of like 540 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: why don't you want to meet my family? This is 541 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: so sad, moving us into then the next morning, which 542 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: I didn't even know I thought that he I thought 543 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: I broke up with her. I was like, what is this? 544 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: He just left in the car. There was no conclusion 545 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: there exactly, So moving is in the next morning, everybody 546 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: pretty much assumed that Victoria f was gone, that she 547 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: and that Peter had broken up with her. He's in 548 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: some hotel room. I can't believe they couldn't have found 549 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: him a nicer hotel. That thing looks it looks it 550 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: looks like something that I've I've never I haven't stayed 551 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: in a long time. Um, But Victoria knocks the door 552 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: and Ashley we pick it up here with a conversation 553 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: that still didn't feel conclusive. Conclusive. It felt like a 554 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: very similar conversation tonight before, except there was no blaming 555 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: and no shaming that. Yeah, it was like a better 556 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: conversation as far as like tonality goes, but there's still 557 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: was no there was no selbstance to it. Here's what 558 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: I don't like about it, though. The conversation only got 559 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: to a place of substance because Peter started out right 560 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: away by apologizing. Why exactly why is he apologizing? First? 561 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: He does have a voodoo doll. Mean, moving us into 562 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony, where expectations are that probably Victoria f 563 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: is going home, but nobody really knows that he decides 564 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: to take her, he just has to take her to 565 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony. He does, which is shocking, shocking, but 566 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: also as a viewer, you're sitting there going, Okay, let's 567 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: see how this plays out. We have so much information now. 568 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I think most people were like, not, let's see how 569 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: this plays out. Most people were cursing at him through 570 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: the TV. Well, I have a feeling that people are. 571 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that this will not be a 572 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: great episode for Peter, and that is so sad to 573 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: me because I really wanted to see these next few 574 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: episodes be really good for him, so that he came 575 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: out of this on top. And I still believe you 576 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: will again. I still believe there's time and I still 577 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: believe that will in this by going, Hey, he might 578 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: have not been the best Bachelor ever that we would 579 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: have expected, but he's been good, and he tried so 580 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: hard and he cared so much, and I and I 581 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: know Bachelor Nation will root for him. Can we can 582 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: we say that like some people can be fantastic, good charactered, 583 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: kind hearted people and do not make a good Bachelor like, 584 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: just because you don't handle the process that well doesn't 585 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: mean that you're not a great person. You're just not 586 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: a great bachelor. Let's not hate. I don't think anybody 587 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: out there hates Peter. I think a lot of people 588 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: are upset with this season. I don't think they're going, oh, 589 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: Peter is awful, and I've never heard that people are 590 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: saying Peter isn't what we're hoping for. Maybe um, but 591 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: we don't. We and we just don't love this season 592 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: because it's hard to root for anybody, and it's a 593 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: little bit of a disappointment because we expected big things 594 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: from him. Like I think expectations were so high for 595 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Peter that I felt like he was set up to fail. 596 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: So many people are just saying he should have just 597 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: been from handed with Hannaby from the start. I mean, 598 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: at this point, I'm not shocked if that still happens, 599 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: and I but that's a whole another conversation. Hey, So 600 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: we get to the Rose ceremony. Long story short, Kelsey 601 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: goes home, Victoria f stays, Madison stays, Hannah Ann stays, Ashley. 602 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: I will let you have your moment here because I 603 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: think you, along with a lot of other people at 604 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: that moment, we're yelling at the screen. So I knew 605 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: that once he I mean I knew in my soul, 606 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: not like as a fact, that when he brought Victoria 607 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: f to that Rose ceremony, she was going to stay. 608 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: So I immediately in my head eliminated Kelsey because if 609 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: he was going to eliminate Victoria, he would have just 610 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: done it in Virginia Beach. So I was not shocked 611 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: come the Rose ceremony were, but I also was shocked, 612 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: like I was just shocked that it actually happened. And 613 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: I just can't believe that he led a girl through 614 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: after those allegations were presented, and he didn't dig to 615 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: find out the truth about them. That is what's mind 616 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: boggling to me, is that for some reason he doesn't 617 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: even want to know if it was true, or he 618 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: wants to ignore it for as long as he possibly can. 619 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of viewers watched this week's episode 620 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: with frustration at the end. I think they were frustrated. 621 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: I think they felt like there's a lot of like 622 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: anger and just confusion. I think a lot of people 623 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: are on the edge of their seat for next week, 624 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: not because they're looking forward to it, but because they 625 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,239 Speaker 1: just want to see some type of conclusion. And I 626 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: also think Batchelor nation out there is really wanting some 627 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: type of beauty from the season, and there's been very 628 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: few beautiful moments, very few moments to celebrate. But what 629 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: a cliffhanger between Victoria getting through, which is just like 630 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: a cliffhanger, and it's in itself because it's just so 631 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: mind boggling, and then with Madison pulling Peter aside, I 632 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: can't wait to see how that conversation goes. I was like, Ben, 633 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: we gotta get the screener right now. I can't wait 634 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: another week. I cannot wait another week. I think this. 635 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad Madison did it. Then I was sitting there 636 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: and I was trying to think about do I like 637 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: this decision by her to pull him Now? I think 638 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: it was a good decision. I think it gives him 639 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: some time to think about it. It gives her some 640 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: time to think about it about long flight to Australia. 641 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: It gets it off her chest, it gets it out there, 642 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: you know what, I hope and the one thing we 643 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: have to give. I don't know if we've seen a 644 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: bachelor console and work through really difficult conversations as well 645 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: as Peter has just by keeping his temper down, I 646 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: think he's done a great job that. I don't think 647 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: he asked a lot of questions in return, but I 648 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: think he keeps it very even Keel and I believe 649 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: he is. This is the thing. Peter might be the 650 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: most approachable bachelor we've ever seen, and so like I. 651 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: I bet Madison feels comfortable, which is so important relationships 652 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: to go up to Peter at any moment and say, Peter, 653 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: this is on my mind, this is hurting me, this 654 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: is something I need to get off my chest. Were 655 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: you talk to me about it? And I bet Peter 656 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: is happy to talk about it. I think he looked 657 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: we'll look at Madison go I'm so glad you told me. 658 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: But all right, we don't know yet, Ladies and gentlemen. 659 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: This has been a season of up and downs. It 660 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: has been a controversial season. It has been a season 661 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: that very few people are celebrating, but a lot of 662 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: people are watching. I'm hoping for beauty in the following weeks, Ashley. 663 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: As we've done every week, we've graded Peter after this 664 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: week in your final thoughts in the episode. What's your 665 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: grade with Peter and what's your final thoughts on this episode? 666 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: For this episode, I think that Peter gets a D. There, Okay, 667 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: what's the other one final thoughts in the episode? My 668 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: final thoughts in the episode about the teaser? I need 669 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: to know we need to talk about the teaser because 670 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: I think Victoria f comes through as a villain because 671 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: I think she's like Madison is telling him that he's 672 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: not allowed to sleep with other girls, and she gets 673 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: really sassy about that. Also very interesting are the teasers. 674 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: It shows that these three final girls are living together 675 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: in the same suite. Normally, once you do you get 676 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: top four, you're separated completely throughout the entire process except 677 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: at Rose ceremonies. So I think to enhance the drama 678 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: and any tension between Madison and Victoria, they've put all 679 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: the girls together in the one suite. It's an interesting episode. 680 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: It's gonna be wild. You have the three women living together. Ashley, 681 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: You're wrong, very very little from the show. We'll be 682 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: excited to watch the next episode. Let's cheer for some beauty, 683 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Let's cheer for some love. Let's cheer that all of 684 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: these women in this process, Um glad that they did it. 685 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: We've said it every year that at the end of 686 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: all of this, all we ask is that the women 687 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: look at this whole thing say at least I'm glad 688 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: I did it, And right now it feels like a 689 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: few of the women might not be glad they did it. 690 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: Can't imagine Victoria f comes out of this pride And 691 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm rooting for Peter Uh. My grade on Peter would 692 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: be low this week, but it's also just because I 693 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: feel like he needs to ask more questions. But my 694 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: grade of him overall is high. I'm a Peter fan. 695 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: I like the guy. I really want to see him 696 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: find somebody from this, and if he doesn't from this, 697 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: then I know he's gonna be just fine. On the 698 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: other side, you should probably just go ahead and be now, 699 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: let's root for Peter Uh. In the coming months Everybody 700 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: Wild episode the Almost Famous podcast and of The Bachelor, 701 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: we have breaking news that we need to discuss a 702 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: difficult topic to talk about. Friends of this podcast, friends 703 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: of ours. We've attended the weddings UM, They've attended Ashley's wedding. UM. 704 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: Crystal and Chris have announced publicly a split. Actually, what 705 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: do we know about it? So they're calling it a separation. 706 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: They both need time to develop, you know, their own 707 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: selves more. We don't really have much information. I saw 708 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: Crystal last week. I'm gonna be honest, I knew that 709 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: there were rumors flying, but I truly did not know 710 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: how to approach the situation, the topic when it was 711 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: out of live podcast and it just wasn't very private, 712 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: and we reached out. We haven't heard anything from them yet, 713 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: and it's just really it's really sad, but I'm gonna 714 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: keep hope and thinking that it is a separation. They 715 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: have not announced a divorce, and if anyone can come 716 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: back together, these two wild people can do it, because 717 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, they've even gone through situations like this before 718 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: last December they kind of broke up or they were 719 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: really on the rocks and they made a decision to 720 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: stay together. And well, now a year later, it seems 721 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: like they're not making the decision to stay together. But 722 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: they're also not filing for divorce papers. So I wouldn't 723 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: be surprised to see in a couple of months these 724 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: two rekindle things. There isn't a lot of information out 725 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: there yet, but The statement reads this from Crystal and Chris. 726 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: It hurts announced that at this moment, we have mutually 727 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: decided to separate. They send in a statement to Bachelor 728 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: Nation dot com. This is the official website of Bachelor 729 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,839 Speaker 1: Show producers. Never did we imagine the scenario, but we've 730 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: come to a point where we both need to work 731 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: on ourselves. We are best friends that love and care 732 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: for each other so deeply. We've appreciated everyone's love and 733 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: support so far throughout our journey, and we just ask 734 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: that you please respect our privacy as we navigate through 735 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: this process. That's all we know at this point. We're 736 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: rooting for them. Um, they just recently got married in May. 737 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: Uh so it's a new relationship and we all know 738 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: that relationships aren't easy. And as Ashley can attest marriage, uh, 739 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: it's fun, it's it's enjoyable, but it is not easy. 740 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: All this time, not rainbows and butterflies and and and 741 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: so Hey, we're sending up our best wishes to Crystal 742 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: and Chris, and we hope to hear from one of 743 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: them soon on this podcast to give all of us 744 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: a little more info when they're ready. When they're ready, Hey, 745 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: Bachelor nation uh go to Bachelor live on stage dot Com. 746 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: We'll be coming to an area near you very soon. 747 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: With that, I've been guys, and I cannot wait to 748 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: talk to you next week because it's gonna be so good. 749 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: I can't wait for the next episode. She's very excited. 750 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 751 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.