1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: dot Com the part of the Giants Podcast. Welcome to 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: the newest position of the Giant Huttle podcast. Today we're 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: gonna take a look at Dan Quinn, one of the 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Giants perspective head coaching candidates. And as a reminder, you 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: can check out all the other Giant Hutle podcasts and 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: our archive on the Giants mobile app podcast platforms everywhere, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: Giants dot com, Slash podcast. As we look at all 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: the Giants head coaching candidates as they try to fill 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: that position. And to talk today about dan Quinn a 11 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: two part We're gonna Mickey Spagnola from the Cowboys after 12 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: this first interview to talk about his time as the 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive coordinator. But obviously, dan Quinn spent a long 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: time as the Falcons head coach in front of the program. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: D Orlando led Better of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, long 16 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: time beat writer covering the Falcons, will join us now 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: to talk about his stint there day. We appreciate the time, man. 18 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure your offseason came a little bit sooner than 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: you would have liked. I hope it's going well. Yeah, 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: John has gone well and thanks for having me on 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: your podcast here today, No problem, d I appreciate you 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: joining us. Let's get right to it. What is your 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: fifty thousand foot big picture? Look at Dan Quinn's tenure 24 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: as head coach of the Falcons. Yeah, extreme highs, extreme lows. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: Uh did get him to the biggest game. And you know, 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: first year, first time coach. You know, there was some 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: mistakes made along the way, but his flare played for him. 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: They they played it hard the whole five years. And uh, 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think, you know, you learned a lot 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: the first time out as a head coach, and we 31 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: saw him do a much better job coordinator to defense 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: in Dallas this year. What what what? What? What do 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: you think d that he really learned along the way 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: and improved upon during that five year tenure in Atlanta? Yeah, 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I think you know, uh, consistency, you know, not the 36 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: high and low swings. You know, they you know, they 37 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: would start six and two and then finished you know eight, 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Nate and stuff. You know, Uh that was a pattern. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: Even the Super Bowl year they were okay, then they 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: got hot and uh, you know, rode it all the way. 41 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: You know, three quarters into the Super Bowl. So I 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: think the consistency and being able to maintain the team 43 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: at a high level and not have all the fluctuations 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: where the big lesson he learned from his time here 45 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Now, obviously he was brought in because the 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: job he did as a defensive coach in Seattle when 47 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: he was you know, the defensive coordinator, legion of Boom, 48 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But he in Atlanta, I'm not mistaken, 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: he basically delegated the defensive play calling to somebody else. 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: Was he hands off there or did he still play 51 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: a pretty big role in the defensive game planning? He 52 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: he was hands on almost too much. So he started 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: out with Richard Smith. Uh and then the second year 54 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: kind of took over himself running the defense. Then he 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: ran it for a while. Uh. Then you know, as 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: things were going sideways, Uh, you know, he gave it 57 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: over to Raheem mean Jeff Aldrich to call it together, 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: which was a unique situation, but you know that's what 59 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: they did. But yeah, he kept moving people around. He 60 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: had Mark quire manual over there. I think consistency and 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: one that's a mind would be um, you know, the 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: way for him to go this time around. He's not 63 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna have too many cooks over there trying to start 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: the pot and then nothing's getting done right. Uh that's 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: another thing that he's probably learned. And picking his assistant coaches. 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: Uh you know, Mark Quain was this guy, uh you know, right, 67 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: he and kind of came in with Shanahan and so 68 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: uh you know, those two guys you know, reportedly didn't 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: get didn't see how to aisle on something. So uh, 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be interesting to see how what kind 71 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: of staff he brings with him, either to New York 72 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: or Denver or wherever he lands. How much different was 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: it from defensive coordinat or defensive coordinator. Was it still 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: that base cover three things or once he made changes 75 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: there d did he let the DC kind of do 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: what he want or was it still kind of that 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: dank and system just somebody else was calling the place 78 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: now Righthan went to more aggressive uh nickel packages and 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: trying to blit you know, the two head gas stuff 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: that black floor red runs. It was still out of 81 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: the four three, but um, you know it was a 82 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: little bit more aggressive, wasn't you know, just sitting back 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, trying to read thecover three 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: zone stuff. So, uh, he did have to relinquish some 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: of that power and Rahan trying to take it in 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: another direction as the interim coached. Also now, obviously Kyle 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Shanahan is the offensive coach most linked with Dan Quinn. 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Is that the style he prefers? Do you think that 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: was just a coincidence? What if he gets one of 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: these head coaching jobs, what do you think his priorities 91 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: will be trying to find an offensive coordinator that's gonna 92 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: run that team on that side of the ball the 93 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: way he wants. Yeah, I think he's gonna go for uh, 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: you know West Coast disciple Shanahan, guy that could run 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: that ball down. He'll he likes the outside zone and 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: how it attacked the defense. And you know, he said, 97 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: that's one thing I always gave his Deepens trouble with 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: being able to run those stretch plays and then bring 99 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: him back with the play action passes. And so for 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: fully expect him to go in that direction again. They were, uh, 101 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: they have talked about it for years and then finally 102 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: when one of them got a job, uh you know 103 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: they got they hired the other ones. So and he 104 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: used that job here to get him a job at 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: SA Fascisco. So yeah, I fully expect him to to 106 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: to to go with that. It's been getting to the 107 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl just about every other year, and he's gonna 108 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: want to continue that as part of his football operation. 109 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 1: All right, Two final questions, D First, the super Bowl. 110 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: That is obviously the elephants of the room that you've 111 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of times. We haven't touched on it yet, 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: went on on, you've had a chance. And I look 113 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: back a bunch of years later, what do you think 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: Danklin could have done differently for that game not to 115 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: end the way it did against the Bucks against the Patriots. Pot. Yeah, 116 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: tell Shanahan stopped throwing the bar with the league, I 117 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: mean here in right, I mean that's simple. He can't. 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: He donet throw that ball, fall down two times, take 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: the field goal. He's gone, You're gone home. You have 120 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: to parade um. But they didn't operate like that. I 121 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: know other coaches that did. I saw coach Smith, uh 122 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: take the take the head step from malarky order like 123 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: nine runs in a row in one game down in 124 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: New Orleans. So uh, you know, so if Quinnon, you 125 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: know Quinn couldn't step in and telephone hot see to 126 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: run the ball. Then you know who's really the head 127 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: coach here? And then finally, what's his personality? Is Quinn? 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: From what I think I know the answer to this, 129 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: but I'd like to get your take being up close 130 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: at least as a head coach, raw ra guy. Is 131 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: he like steady Eddie at press conferences? Is he in? 132 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: He's the defensive line coach at heart and all those tho, 133 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: those types of guys tend to be a little bit 134 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: more um enthusiastic for lack of a better word, how 135 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: you best described Quinn's coaching personality. Oh yeah, a hunter 136 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: and temperson energy all the time. Great guy with the media. 137 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: Everybody liked them. It just didn't work out here and uh, 138 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: you know when Shannah and left, that was a big 139 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: part of what they were doing. Uh, Dirk Cutter was 140 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, that was kind of maximate, uh, from the 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: old regime to the new regime. And you know that 142 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: that the offense didn't blind well with the defense. So yeah, yeah, 143 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: great guy. Everybody loves him. Her He was the fun time. 144 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: The players love him. Yeah, kind of collegiate in his 145 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: approach with the right rock things. But I think as 146 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: he gets older, you know, he'll have some energy guys 147 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: on the staff to handle that part for him. But 148 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: uh yeah, good guy to work with, certainly from the 149 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: media standpoint, and uh you know, his players went out 150 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: and played for him, and I think that's the highest 151 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: compliment you can give a coach, no question. Do we 152 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: appreciate the time to him so much. Man, Thank you 153 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: very much. Enjoy the rest of your off season. We'll 154 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: talk to you down the road, all right, sure, no problem, John, 155 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Have a great day you as well. 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: That's the Orlando led Better from the Atlanta Journal Constitution 157 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: talking about dan Quinn and his tenure as Falcon's head coach. 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: Since then, he has been the Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator. 159 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: To join us to talk about his time there is 160 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a good friend of the program, Mickey Spagnola from Dallas 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. Mick, I know your guys season ended 162 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: sooner than you would have liked. But the sign that 163 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: you had a good year is that both your coordinators 164 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: getting interview opportunities, including dan Quinn. Yeah. Absolutely, and you 165 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: know that's always, I guess a sign of success. And 166 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: certainly didn't end the way. I'm sure those coordinators wished 167 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: it had going into these interviews for um for head 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: coaching jobs. But you know, from from dan Quinn's standpoint, 169 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: I just think he did a remarkable job turning around 170 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: a defense that was historically bad, uh in for the 171 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: cow Boys, giving up more points in a single season, 172 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: uh than any team in in Cowboys history. Uh to 173 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: at least being an average defense. And I always thought 174 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: if they could just be average, I think they finished 175 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: nineteenth overall, uh, that they would have an opportunity to 176 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: be pretty good. Uh So Yeah, I just thought he 177 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: did a remarkable job of turning around a group that 178 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: really really struggled the previous season and and and really 179 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: came on with a bunch of takeaways that was kind 180 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: of their calling card for this season. Really basic question, Nick, 181 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: but I think it's appropriate. How do you do that? Well, 182 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. And here's what I really liked 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: about how he coordinated the defense. And I think this 184 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: would maybe a credit to what he did after Atlanta 185 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: fired him the previous season, and he went back and 186 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: did a kind of a self check on himself, making 187 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: sure what he was doing or what they were doing 188 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: in Atlanta defensively was up with what's going on in 189 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: the league. And I you always hear this john that 190 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: coaches say, well, you know, I've got this system, but 191 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: I'll make sure that I adjust my system to the players. Well, 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: dan Quinn actually did that. He looked at his personnel 193 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: and he said, Okay, I think this is what we 194 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: can do. I'm not gonna come in here and say 195 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: this is what I do. I'm gonna I'm gonna adjust 196 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: what I do to the personnel I have. And I 197 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: thought he did a really good job. You know. They 198 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: brought in a bunch of guys uh in the secondary 199 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: on one year deal. Some of them uh he had 200 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: uh with him in Atlanta. Brought in a guy like 201 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: j Ron Curse, who to me had been nothing more 202 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: than a special teams player with Minnesota. He finally got 203 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: some start the previous year in Detroit. But he looked 204 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: at his defense and he said, huh, look at this guy. 205 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: He's like six three six four agile. I'm gonna use 206 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: him like a big nickel and have him cover tight ends. 207 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: He can be uh my extra sort of linebacker, uh, 208 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, nickel defense. And and the guy ended up 209 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: leading the Cowboys and tackles this year, so he adjusted 210 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: what he wanted to do to what Javan j Ron 211 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: Curse could do. And I thought that was the thing 212 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: that was remarkable. And he's always said this, He goes, 213 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask guys to do what they can't do, 214 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: he said, So my first job is to find out 215 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: what they can't do and make sure I don't ask 216 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: him to do that. And I thought that was one 217 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: of his one of his many better qualities. He was 218 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: his own heavy coach in Seattle back in the day, 219 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: and he played mostly man with the Cowboys. How about 220 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: the way use MIKEL Parsons. So I think it is 221 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: really a unique talent and and just you know, it 222 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: would have been easy to pigeonhole him into one position, Mickey, 223 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: and they didn't, and it seems like they really got 224 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: the most out of him. How much of that was 225 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, Yeah, I think absolutely, And I think that 226 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: fit to what I was just saying. It was almost 227 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: like he was searching for things that he couldn't do, 228 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: so he wouldn't ask him to do it. But I 229 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: think the more he searched for that, he found out 230 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: he could do a lot more than maybe people thought. Uh, 231 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, here was a guy that came as a linebacker, 232 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: and their plan at the beginning of the season was 233 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: for him to be the strong side linebacker when they 234 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: used three linebackers. Well, then they got the injuries and 235 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: uh covid things at defensive end, and it's like, well, 236 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: let's let's see if he can rush the quarterback. And 237 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: then there for a few games there it was like, yeah, okay, 238 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: he can rush the quarterback as a defensive end. But again, 239 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: that eliminated his versatility because teams knew if he was 240 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: playing defensive end, well here's where he's lining up. Uh. 241 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: And he learned about chipping in the NFL, right. I 242 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: remember him saying one day, if if that's chipping, I 243 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: can do without it. Right. But then when they got 244 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: healthier at the defensive end spot, it's like, okay, now 245 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: I could use them as a linebacker, but not just 246 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: a stationary linebacker. I can move him around. I can 247 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: line him up on the edge as a fifth guy 248 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmage. I can line him up 249 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: at the nickel linebacker spot where he has roomed the 250 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: room uh and go to the ball. I can put 251 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: him out there in nickel situations, and with his pass 252 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: rushing ability, I could put him in the A gap 253 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, we're gonna rush you. At times that 254 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: blitz the quarterback up the middle, and it was a 255 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: mismatch uh for centers and guards because of his ability, 256 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: his versatility, and his speed. Uh So. Yeah, so he 257 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: adapted to what he did defensively, to all the different 258 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: things that Micah Parsons could do. And I thought that 259 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: was one of the reasons they had so much success defensively. 260 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: What kind of coaches see make you see a guy 261 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be really hands on and getting the mix. 262 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Is he more of a you know, watch and teach 263 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: later in the firm um type of guy. What's his 264 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: approach and personality with the players? Well, let me give 265 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: you this example. Um, I'm trying to remember who they 266 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: were getting ready to play, but that team offensive line 267 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: was a notorious uh for cut blocking, like going down 268 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: and trying to cut the defensive pass rushers at their feet. 269 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: And so they were gonna do this drill and and 270 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: and to kind of simulate cut blocks and then teach 271 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: the defensive ends primarily to get your hands on the 272 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: guy when he goes down and get over him. Uh, 273 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: and be ready for it. Right. Well, guess who they 274 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: used to be the guy that was going down. Dan 275 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: Quinn did it himself because he didn't want to put 276 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: any of his players at jeopardy of simulating a cut block. 277 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: So here he is with his hat on backwards, and 278 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: he's going down right and and and teaching the guys 279 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: how to get away from the cut block. And there 280 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: and even uh, if I remember correctly, he put the 281 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: helmet on too, just to make sure he didn't get 282 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: kicked in the head. Right, I can remember it. One 283 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: of the it was one of the uh O t 284 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: A practices, and or maybe it was a rookie minute. 285 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: It was rookie minicamp John And you know you don't 286 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: have enough guys to play each position, right, so uh, 287 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: there seventh round draft choice Quentin Bohannah, Uh, kind of 288 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: twisted an ankle or something and and he went out 289 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: for a player two, and they really didn't have another 290 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: defensive tackle to go in. So here's here's Quinn put 291 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: his hat on backwards and he goes in there to 292 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: play defensive tackle. And finally, after a couple of plays, 293 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Bohannah tapped him out and says, okay, coach, that's enough, 294 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: right and uh, but that's the guy he is. He 295 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: will be in there mixing it up, showing them how 296 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: to do things. You know how they do some of 297 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: these uh these pass rush drills where uh you got 298 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: an assistant coach or maybe a a younger coach with 299 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: those pads on their arms so the guy can come 300 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: and knock the add down or knock their arms away. Well, 301 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: he would put the pads on himself. So when you went, 302 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: when you ask if he's hands on, yeah, he's he's hands, legs, arms, 303 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: everything he's on right uh. And and the guys really 304 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: reacted to him. Um. And you know, I'm sure the 305 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: cowboys would love for somehow, some way to keep them 306 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: because I always said, just listening to him, uh in 307 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: and he would do his once a week media session 308 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: with us guys uh and and just how he interacted. 309 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: I always thought, if this guy got in the room 310 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: for an interview, they're not gonna let him go because 311 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: he's got that personality. Uh that you say, I want 312 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: that guy on my side. Makey good stuff, my friend. 313 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: Always get to chat with you, and we're talking again 314 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: real soon all right, okay, John, that's Mickey Spagnwi. Thank 315 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: you for joining us in the John's Little Podcast, and 316 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,239 Speaker 1: again go check out our other episodes as we take 317 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: a closer look at all the giants potential head coaching 318 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: candidates and to fill that position in two and beyond.