Speaker 1: This he is Talking Cowboys, streaming live on Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: Your hosts Mickey's Fagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Welcome everybody into another edition of Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: always joined by the great Brian Rob Mickey inside the
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studio, and we are going to get down
Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna get a little bigger picture look
Speaker 1: at what's going on here in the NFL, what's going
Speaker 1: on with the Dallas Cowboys, and more importantly, what's going
Speaker 1: to go down this week against the Packers. So how
Speaker 1: are you guys doing today? Doing good? Doing great? Maybe
Speaker 1: I go back and watch them play this game last
Speaker 1: year in the playoffs. I saw you were watching him.
Speaker 1: I haven't yet. I haven't. I forgot some of the
Speaker 1: bad things that happened to this football team in that
Speaker 1: in that game. I forgot about the three. I forgot
Speaker 1: about the Micah Hyde interception. They threw it. They were
Speaker 1: trying to throw a screen to the left. They're down
Speaker 1: in the red zone. They're on about the I think
Speaker 1: the eighteen yard line of green BA. I mean they
Speaker 1: have knocking on the door or to get points, right,
Speaker 1: and they throw, they throw, I throw a screen to
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, and remember Dez Bryant is the front, is
Speaker 1: the blocker, and Micah Hyde just jumps and intercepts and
Speaker 1: they get the ball like on the you know, they
Speaker 1: run it out to like the thirty yard line. Just
Speaker 1: completely jumped the route, just completely jumped the route. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's one trying. Okay, well, how about just how about
Speaker 1: just the slow start this team? How about the okay,
Speaker 1: nineteen dropped a ball in the end zone, right, Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler dropped a ball in the far corner of the
Speaker 1: end zone, right. That was another one. I think the
Speaker 1: penalty that you got called for too many men on
Speaker 1: the field or what was it? I remember huddle, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was just I was just I think
Speaker 1: that it was just funnel the huddle one. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I remember, it's got a name now, it's the Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler they had they had completed a pass down to
Speaker 1: like the t oh. It was a huge game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Terence Williams. Terence Williams right, by the way, he played
Speaker 1: really well in this game. Yeah, Terrence Williams did. And
Speaker 1: so they invented him. They invented a call that now
Speaker 1: the NFL says, well you should warn him for Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Butler rule. Yeah, and that was a scoring opportunity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he missed done. Oh they it was. I just I
Speaker 1: forgot about the Micah High I remember that one. I
Speaker 1: forgot the interception. Wait till you see you're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh man, they're driving. They got something going here, here
Speaker 1: we go here. Oh god, they just intercepted it. So
Speaker 1: what was the like the halftime score because they were behind.
Speaker 1: They dug a huge hole early. They were down twenty one.
Speaker 1: I know it was twenty eight thirteen and then they
Speaker 1: got it to tweet tweet to us. Yeah, then it's
Speaker 1: twenty eight thirteen three or something, right. Yeah, No, no,
Speaker 1: that Rogers Rogers drew him off sides again, Taylor, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about this. You get the show. He's fired up,
Speaker 1: he's fired up, but I'm watching, just watching the game.
Speaker 1: I forgot got out all the crazy things that were happening.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I'll tell you what. Prescott was
Speaker 1: good in the game. Throwing the football. I mean he
Speaker 1: really was going the mobilian stuff like that was he
Speaker 1: was really accurate. In that game, he was really what
Speaker 1: was it kent twenty one three in the second quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they drew him off side. First possession of the game,
Speaker 1: he draws, he gets twelve minut on that. It's a
Speaker 1: third and five and he gets him to get a
Speaker 1: twelve minut on the field Penley and takes a shot
Speaker 1: and it's incomplete, so he gets a first down and
Speaker 1: then they go on and score. They threw Remember they
Speaker 1: got Sean Lee on the tight end under down the
Speaker 1: field and it was yeah, that was okay, Well you
Speaker 1: know what, I know, I know we'll get into it. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: That sets the tone of this week because there's always
Speaker 1: kind of craziness that happens against the Packers. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the Cowboys' third straight years seeing them in
Speaker 1: the regular season, obviously with different division things laying out right,
Speaker 1: but here they come to at and T Stadium kind
Speaker 1: of a revenge game from the playoff loss. I think
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of contentious feelings throughout the week.
Speaker 1: It's always the Dez Bryant game. It seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: with the catch no catch, even though last night's great history,
Speaker 1: great history between these two, fat it go all I mean, now,
Speaker 1: the Packers stunk for twenty years, but while the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were good. But yeah, but yeah, there's a great history
Speaker 1: between these twos. So the other day again in the
Speaker 1: Rams game, do we still know what a catch is?
Speaker 1: I don't think we don't. We don't know what it catch.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever will. Nah, it's just
Speaker 1: kind of a confusing thing. But we do know that
Speaker 1: Hitchens and Lee and maybe a Woozier are going to
Speaker 1: get some good work this week and possibly be back
Speaker 1: for this game, which is always good. A Woozier has
Speaker 1: never seen the Packers in person in a rookie, so
Speaker 1: maybe he's in for it. All hands on deck against
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. All hands on deck. You liking Hitchens playing
Speaker 1: this week? Don't do that, Mickey face. I don't need
Speaker 1: to see that. I mean, that's the dead set. When
Speaker 1: did he get hurt? It's been it's been training camp.
Speaker 1: It was it was the Cults game, right, cultur Raiders, Culturrators.
Speaker 1: I mean that's irrelevant. So how many practices has he had? Fully? No?
Speaker 1: But none. I think he gets him this week though.
Speaker 1: If he gets in a full practice Wednesday, okay, it's
Speaker 1: possible full practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Mickey, come on, one
Speaker 1: in pads, one in pads. I think that's what they
Speaker 1: were missing last week. This team though, has a history though,
Speaker 1: because he didn't get the padded practice. See, it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same answer I would have given you for
Speaker 1: David Irving. Yeah, he hadn't had a padded practice since
Speaker 1: the week of the the Raiders. Yeah, the last last
Speaker 1: preseason game, right, and now he's going to get one
Speaker 1: after not being here for seven weeks or five weeks.
Speaker 1: It's not an injury though, Yeah, I understand. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's been working out hard? I would hope, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing else to do. Perry Mason just gave an answer
Speaker 1: right there. You know, if you're they're way too young
Speaker 1: for Perry Mason. Perry Mason and I don't mean to
Speaker 1: talk about age here. I'm sorry, but you know, Harry Mason,
Speaker 1: that was a lawyer on TV that never asked a
Speaker 1: question that he didn't already know the answer to. He
Speaker 1: just gave me a Perry Mason possibly with with Hitchens
Speaker 1: out of necessity, they might say Anthony Hitchens would one
Speaker 1: padded practices. It's good enough, better than what we've been
Speaker 1: dealing with here the last week. I think it's got
Speaker 1: to come down to how he looks this week, because
Speaker 1: this team does have a history of pointing to that
Speaker 1: buy right. If they don't, they don't want to put
Speaker 1: him out too early. If they don't think he's ready.
Speaker 1: An extra week would do him really good. I mean,
Speaker 1: same with Sean Lee. I think you can see he
Speaker 1: can't hamstring. Same with that hamstring that you got to
Speaker 1: be careful with. But obviously they need those guys back age.
Speaker 1: He can't. He's not going to repull something and the
Speaker 1: bones got to be healed right, otherwise they wouldn't even
Speaker 1: him out him out to practice. So from that aspect,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a chance. I think I agree. I
Speaker 1: agree with everything everybody said. If they'd won the Rams game,
Speaker 1: the extra week, yeah, I agree. The same thing with
Speaker 1: Sean Jones this morning. Yeah, but could we let it
Speaker 1: a good one go? Ye? Now have to make up
Speaker 1: for that? Yeah, you let And the same thing with
Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Sure if they had won the Rams game,
Speaker 1: Oh sure, and the buys yeah and Tay. I mean,
Speaker 1: Jerry pointed out a couple of the appearents they've got
Speaker 1: down the road here and the undefeated Chiefs down the road.
Speaker 1: I'm Washington. Yeah, we can finally talk about the first
Speaker 1: place schedule this week. Yeah, because that's why they're playing
Speaker 1: the Pack. Yeah, because it matters. It does matters for
Speaker 1: two games. It does matter if they let this Rams
Speaker 1: game go and then they have to come down to
Speaker 1: the last game to make the playoffs. Later this season,
Speaker 1: they play Philadelphia the last game, right, yeah, that could
Speaker 1: be for the division right there, Washington, Washingtons looking, Washington
Speaker 1: pretty good, lesson, I'm not given washing enough credit. And
Speaker 1: all those injuries got to hurt. That's got to hurt
Speaker 1: Josh Norman now looking, I don't know the severity of
Speaker 1: the ribs injury. Poor guy Spate. He came back into
Speaker 1: the game. Not good though. They lost Williams on their
Speaker 1: own line. Yeah, I mean they were hurt to Nicholson
Speaker 1: was the guy at the end when he got the
Speaker 1: big hit on Kareem Hunt. Yeah yeah, no, not Kareema.
Speaker 1: It was one of their receivers, I think maybe oh um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you're talking. You know, do we do we
Speaker 1: like forget the year before because there seems to be
Speaker 1: a lot of really good players suffering injuries already Derek
Speaker 1: Carr in Oakland with the old role. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it just seems got Romo direct, and Romo was the
Speaker 1: one commenting on it. He goes, yeah, he goes, I
Speaker 1: know what that is. Ye, the knee on the back.
Speaker 1: That does not feel good. The Packers have a bunch,
Speaker 1: Oh they do, and they're and they're scrambling around right now.
Speaker 1: They think about docks have no running back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're young guys out injured reserve right Carson, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Time mcgarnbery just said on a on a podcast
Speaker 1: they ain't playing multiple broken ribs. Yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: that's a break for the Cowboys them. He does going
Speaker 1: back and watching the game at least through the first
Speaker 1: quarter of the game so far, just going back and
Speaker 1: look at her. He had something. He had something in
Speaker 1: that game. Eighty eight number or whatever it is. Come on, Mickey,
Speaker 1: he's a wide receiver. Back when you're back when you
Speaker 1: were playing football, they were funny numbers, like seventy seven
Speaker 1: was a ball carrier. Oh the other day the Seahawks
Speaker 1: put don't think running back, Oh Cleveland Brown or somebody
Speaker 1: in twenty and he's actually like your receiver Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's hard works. I mean, you know, but you're talking
Speaker 1: about this. The Packers still did have a running back
Speaker 1: carousel last year when the Cowboys faced him in the
Speaker 1: regular season and Eddie Lacy still was able to get
Speaker 1: the job done. Yeah, this week, looking to see who
Speaker 1: might be playing for them at running back. You know,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of questions. They have a lot
Speaker 1: of questions, But I think the Cowboys have a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboys have a lot of questions. I guess that's
Speaker 1: what we're trying to figure out here, is is you know,
Speaker 1: the both the linebackers back and then David Irving. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, I mean, we'll see. Where are you going
Speaker 1: to put him? I bet you, I bet you. Hold
Speaker 1: on before we get to David Irving being put anywhere.
Speaker 1: He's got to be on this roster and that doesn't
Speaker 1: have to technically be done until Saturday. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people are now questioning is it just benet ben
Speaker 1: wickery because he didn't really play any defensive snaps, he
Speaker 1: barely delivered on special teams. He had a holding call.
Speaker 1: I think are blocking the back. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: he was a band aid or a bridge. How bad
Speaker 1: is Nolan Carroll that he's not ready to play yet?
Speaker 1: It's not putting Carroll and ir guy. He's still in
Speaker 1: concussion protocol, so, which means he practiced on a limited
Speaker 1: basis last week. Right, Jason said he had one more
Speaker 1: hurdle and that last hurdle usually is a full practice
Speaker 1: and then how do you feel the next day? And
Speaker 1: it sounds like he didn't feel well the next sure,
Speaker 1: So that's kind of troubling at this point. So you
Speaker 1: Mickey's kind of pointing out the sense that if Nolan
Speaker 1: Carroll is not as good to go as most people
Speaker 1: are thinking, the concussion protocol not clearing that he might
Speaker 1: be a guy for I R, which automatically clears a
Speaker 1: spot on the roster, making that room for David Erry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get to practice him then this week, right, I
Speaker 1: mean you would get to practice Carroll to kind of
Speaker 1: see Yeah, I mean yeah you can because you don't
Speaker 1: have to They get a one game yea exemption sure
Speaker 1: for David Irving, right, so they can or one week right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't technically have one reactive this week. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you could wait till Monday and not play him. If
Speaker 1: you want to play him Sunday, you gotta make spot
Speaker 1: him right, and you gotta do it by Saturday at
Speaker 1: three o'clock. Which I want to play him this Sunday.
Speaker 1: I definitely think they want to play him. The question is,
Speaker 1: like Mickey said, he hasn't been around. Is he in shape?
Speaker 1: Is he in football shape? So I think the practice
Speaker 1: will go a long way. He'll be here today, they'll
Speaker 1: get back to practice tomorrow and they'll just see. I
Speaker 1: guess I have every intention of playing him. Go back
Speaker 1: to my original clutch question, where are you putting him? Now?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Harry Mason. No, her, No, he's looking
Speaker 1: for an answer. I want an answer. I'm gonna Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Can I can I throw
Speaker 1: the tape? Can I throw it around here? Would you
Speaker 1: consider moving would you consider moving Lawrence back to right
Speaker 1: defensive end and putting and putting David Irving as a
Speaker 1: starter at left and that that's how I win the
Speaker 1: playoff game. Actually the playoff game on tape, David Irving
Speaker 1: started at left defensive end and Benson Mayo was started
Speaker 1: at right defensive end. Benson Mayo was a damn good
Speaker 1: football player. Has been for a long long time. I
Speaker 1: just I kind of kind of like what Lawrence has
Speaker 1: done these first four games at left end. Actually I
Speaker 1: kind of love what he's mean. Yes, but get he
Speaker 1: got like one play at right defense. He played both sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see, that's what I'm saying. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would put David Irving at right defensive end. I
Speaker 1: think I think I would put Lawrence over there now there.
Speaker 1: Now they've got some issues like sorry, sorry, somebody's got
Speaker 1: us start doing something at right now. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to help you is just yeah, a no show.
Speaker 1: Taco is a no show. It's time to put Tapper up.
Speaker 1: I don't care who sits. Tapper needs to be six.
Speaker 1: I like that. I mean, give me a shot. Wrong there.
Speaker 1: Part is they don't play the run. Well, it's not
Speaker 1: about putting pressure on the quarterback. Mayo is just all
Speaker 1: those those Tavon Austin runs to this. There was there
Speaker 1: more Tyrone Crawford inside in this last game. He started
Speaker 1: it right, but there was a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: wrote about this in my notes the play when when
Speaker 1: McVeigh ran the ball inside on third down, it was
Speaker 1: it was Crawford made the tackle. I mean he took
Speaker 1: Sullivan the center and got rid of him and made
Speaker 1: the tackle to keep you at least give you a
Speaker 1: chance to get the ball back. I like Crawford on
Speaker 1: the outside as an edge setter. But I know you
Speaker 1: guys looking for other guys to step up in the
Speaker 1: pass rush. So can Irving play the the other defensive
Speaker 1: tackle spot next? Yeah? See That's what I'm saying though,
Speaker 1: if but he could put Collins back at the one
Speaker 1: or the nose tackle David Irving. David Irving against the
Speaker 1: Packers is like a a I just want to buy
Speaker 1: the field. He was had tackle in that game, right, No,
Speaker 1: that's I'm saying. He made Player of the Week as
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. A lot of that came from eighteen snaps,
Speaker 1: three force fumbles. Yeah, a lot of that came from
Speaker 1: the nose in the three man rushed right right right.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's where you kind of if you
Speaker 1: if if Mickey's trying to get pressure off the right side,
Speaker 1: who gives you your best opportunity to get pressure. Did
Speaker 1: they switch it from the regular season game to the
Speaker 1: playoff game? Did they make any adjustments on that line
Speaker 1: at all, well, they got well, no, we were thinking
Speaker 1: about because we we said this the other day that
Speaker 1: Ben Simwa got bench for a couple of games and
Speaker 1: then came in December and all of a sudden won
Speaker 1: his job back. Had four SaaS. He was their bench
Speaker 1: for the Steelers game that yeah, by the Hacker playoff game.
Speaker 1: He was their best pass rusher. Yeah, off the right side.
Speaker 1: So I don't it's it's a great question. I mean,
Speaker 1: Crawford started there the last couple of games. But see,
Speaker 1: Crawford's not a right defensive end. No, he's been more like, okay,
Speaker 1: would you rather right? Would you rather than have him inside?
Speaker 1: You know what? We and me, I'm pointing the fingers
Speaker 1: right at me for Stephen Pie, Stephen Pia. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, I'm like, hey, like what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing with Stephen Pie. Like I think Stephen Pie is
Speaker 1: handicapped right now with his knee, And you think you're right.
Speaker 1: I don't think Stephen Pie. It is a little bit more.
Speaker 1: He's gutting it up, he's playing. He's not practicing at all. Guy,
Speaker 1: he's not Yeah, he's yeah, he's tough guy in it
Speaker 1: out there, and he made the one play in the
Speaker 1: in the Arizona game that got a negative tackle for loss.
Speaker 1: What's Brian Price doing nothing? Steve snaps here and there,
Speaker 1: but as a run stuff well, I'm thinking if he
Speaker 1: could help. He's a rotational got nice. He was, came
Speaker 1: from Green Bay. Maybe all of a sudden he gets
Speaker 1: a little life in his body. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Just a motivational thing. I didn't mean to cut you off.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, give a break, but Micky,
Speaker 1: you get to play. You put Collins back at the one,
Speaker 1: and put put Crawford at the three and maybe help
Speaker 1: your run defense. Or put Colins or Crawford at the one.
Speaker 1: Y'all talking about three changes on the d line, moving
Speaker 1: Lawrence to the right side. They always talk about flexibility
Speaker 1: to this place. I mean, Lawrence is playing so well
Speaker 1: on the left side. I hate to move them too,
Speaker 1: because you may not get the same production on the
Speaker 1: right side because obviously on the left side, you're taking
Speaker 1: a lesser talented tackle, and he's more talented than most
Speaker 1: guys playing left defensive end because those guys usually are
Speaker 1: run stuffers. So I think Crawford at the one, leave
Speaker 1: Collins where he's at But you gotta find somebody on
Speaker 1: the right side. Yeah, because you saw what happened in
Speaker 1: the game, right, Maybe they started doubling Lawrence. Yeah, somebody goes, oh,
Speaker 1: where's Lawrence he dis peered. Yeah, well, and then they
Speaker 1: were chipping him with the running back. That's where he
Speaker 1: almost got hurt. People are people are saying, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: not going to wreck my offense. Yeah, you know, we're
Speaker 1: taking care of you now. If they if they have
Speaker 1: to double him, that takes up a tight end, or
Speaker 1: that takes up the running back from going out in
Speaker 1: the in the past pattern. But they made a priority
Speaker 1: of it, and he still got a sack, and Crawford
Speaker 1: should have had the fumble recovery. I would consider back
Speaker 1: down right, thank you? What a great to pay. All right,
Speaker 1: he did he finally die? He did. Don't say it
Speaker 1: like that. He did he No, it was reported he
Speaker 1: was dead, and then it was reported he wasn't dead,
Speaker 1: and I was just one manager confirmed, Okay, mickey, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's passed away. Yes, such a sensitive over there, but
Speaker 1: it did you know? I was confused. You're both water
Speaker 1: the time? How about this? No even online, by the way,
Speaker 1: way on a Twitter. Okay, let him finish. Mickey hates
Speaker 1: my numbers here? No, I like what number you got?
Speaker 1: Forty eight percent of the time opponents have rushed for
Speaker 1: four or more yards on first down against the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That's troubling. Yeah. Yeah, they've had two one yard rushers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it may make sense. Yeah, I mean you mean you
Speaker 1: know that's something the Cowboys really prided themselves. Song was
Speaker 1: that ability to play the run last year? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they it was Sean Lee and Hitchens back in there,
Speaker 1: hopefully better. But that's what I'm saying. Do you consider
Speaker 1: putting somebody stronger inside if you're not? Stephen Pia is strong,
Speaker 1: But is Steven Pia healthy enough to wear lost his
Speaker 1: quickness he has? That's that is a very good observation.
Speaker 1: Can you go back and get Terrell McClaine. She did
Speaker 1: a good last night. Yeah, he's a good player for
Speaker 1: a long time. Hey, we still have more to talk
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Speaker 1: fair when he had he couldn't win a Qupi dial baseball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had to they had to censor him because
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, buddy started laughing, right, and I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't say anything that funny. And then when I
Speaker 1: got here, they were talking about it and they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to. They hit to hit the dump button,
Speaker 1: the dump button, because he kind of used a word
Speaker 1: he's not supposed to use. He was saying he was
Speaker 1: trying to win a qpie Dowal throwing. Is it a
Speaker 1: baseball or softball at little milk? Yeah? Things the target, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta knock the three things down. He said I
Speaker 1: just couldn't hit that stuff, and they and he said
Speaker 1: I just couldn't hit And then they all started yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm going, what what happened? What was so funny?
Speaker 1: And that's the old seven second dump? But finally figured
Speaker 1: out what old dump took play. I told him you
Speaker 1: ruined the joke for me. It was great. They said
Speaker 1: it would have been a fine. I said, he'd have
Speaker 1: paid it. Yeah, yeah, it's It's always nice when Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones gets really real and you hear, oh sure, well
Speaker 1: he gets comfortable and you forget you're not just on
Speaker 1: the phone with somebody, you're on radio. Right. I've done
Speaker 1: it before, right, yeah, Brian Ryan too done it. But hey,
Speaker 1: let's join the club. We're back here in the SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studio and we actually have a caller who is
Speaker 1: in an area of this country that we are very
Speaker 1: curious about right now as Cowboys fan. So right from
Speaker 1: New Orleans? What is your question? How you guys doing
Speaker 1: being great? How you right? Um? I don't really have
Speaker 1: a question I guess I just called just to hear
Speaker 1: Micky's voice. Oh good, it's been it's been a while.
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Did you go down to the
Speaker 1: courthouse like no other He's awesome. Did you go down
Speaker 1: to the courthouse to help us out monitoring that that hearing?
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about that, Mike. I don't
Speaker 1: think Zeke was going to be there, so I know
Speaker 1: I did not go to the courthouse. You just were
Speaker 1: going for autographs. I wanted you to be our like
Speaker 1: reporter on the scene. Might catch you Pat O'Brien's. We'll
Speaker 1: see how that goes. I guess later on today we'll
Speaker 1: have an answer. Huh maybe maybe, yeah, Okay, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: it was a great weekend. We stayed at the at
Speaker 1: the the hotel. I mean, what that place is amazingas
Speaker 1: first time I had seen the Star. I can't believe that,
Speaker 1: but the first time I've seen it, and were kind
Speaker 1: of waiting around for Brian brought us on Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: but then we had to get down to the game.
Speaker 1: I wanted to stop laying from the road to him. Yea,
Speaker 1: waiting till around thirty. I think you did a show
Speaker 1: at ten forty five, right, Brian, I did. We were
Speaker 1: out in the Lindsey Draper and I did our pregame
Speaker 1: show out there. Yeah, so we try to wait around
Speaker 1: long as we could, thank you to catch the show
Speaker 1: and say hello. But getting back to the to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and stuff, I don't really have any questions. I
Speaker 1: guess we can all see what's going on. There's always
Speaker 1: a fine line of or three or four plays throughout
Speaker 1: games that are defining that defined the outcome of the game,
Speaker 1: I think. But my biggest concern is is the run game.
Speaker 1: We just if you can. You can't go four and
Speaker 1: five drives in a row without scoring points in the
Speaker 1: second half and expect to win the game, especially against
Speaker 1: a team that can score points. And that's just playing anybody. Sure.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern would be, like, I just can't put
Speaker 1: my finger on it. I don't know why we can't.
Speaker 1: We averaged five yards to carry on first down last year.
Speaker 1: We're not having that team input this year. That's the
Speaker 1: biggest difference to me, Because your best defense is your
Speaker 1: offense is not playing left guard and right tackle. That
Speaker 1: would be the biggest difference to me for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how we fixed that. I mean,
Speaker 1: the defense is gonna be what it is. But last
Speaker 1: year we outscore some teams, like like Washington during Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: We you know, Kirk Cousins had like full touchdown scorn
Speaker 1: or something yards. So you just have to outscore the opponent.
Speaker 1: I think we could have had we at least got
Speaker 1: a couple of points, a couple of field goals on
Speaker 1: one of those four or five drives in the second half.
Speaker 1: But the guys, I just wanted to say, hello, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have all the answers. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna try to sit here and play coach. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you can see what We'll see who we can
Speaker 1: get a win this weekend would be tough. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Always great talking to you guys. Guys are awesome,
Speaker 1: keep doing it. Thanks Rays. Always good to see you. Ray.
Speaker 1: This is slowly turning into the twenty sixteen recap show,
Speaker 1: and I get it, Ray, I know you're frustrated. That
Speaker 1: makes complete sense. But four or the five drives in
Speaker 1: the second half, absolutely well, they scored on the first
Speaker 1: four drives they had in the first half. We told
Speaker 1: you yesterday Wade Phillips made great, great adjustments in that
Speaker 1: second half. Yes, I know it's frustrating, but the biggest
Speaker 1: difference for me is not the five yards per carry.
Speaker 1: It's that online And I think you know, Ray had
Speaker 1: a good question, but this question kind of goes to
Speaker 1: what really I think might be the issue, and it
Speaker 1: goes Roger says, with new pieces on the old line,
Speaker 1: is there chemistry issue? And if so, is it affecting
Speaker 1: the whole team. I don't think it's like getting along
Speaker 1: as you know, buddy o'pal chemistry issue as far as
Speaker 1: like moving, blocking, trusting the other guy. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: cont knew it. I mean it's more important at that
Speaker 1: spot than any spot on the roster because you got
Speaker 1: five guys that have to and if one guy misses
Speaker 1: the entire the entire operation suffers from it. And you
Speaker 1: had a new left guard in the game, by the way,
Speaker 1: so you started with one left guard and you had
Speaker 1: another one. So that's changed for Frederick and Smith and
Speaker 1: Smith and Smith that whole left side, no question. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you the first four possessions they faced, third
Speaker 1: and eleven, third and seven, third and six, and third
Speaker 1: and eight got them all Also, yeah, and tell you
Speaker 1: spoke to this, and Ray spoke to the first down running.
Speaker 1: They punted three straight times in the second half. That
Speaker 1: happened only twice last year in any all seventeen games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not often. They had five first down plays. In those
Speaker 1: three drives, they got four yards out of it in
Speaker 1: complete pass. Four runs for four yards was one of
Speaker 1: them a jet sweep, one was the switzer. He got
Speaker 1: three yards out. Yet minus run, you had a run
Speaker 1: for no gain all of a sudden, they couldn't they
Speaker 1: couldn't run the football. Yeah. They also tried a bubble
Speaker 1: screen to Beasley right right off of fake sweep right,
Speaker 1: which he should have given it to him, right. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I don't think the question is about chemistry issues, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: se can we feel like do we feel like though
Speaker 1: that they've and this is gonna sound pretty simplistic, that
Speaker 1: they've played very good fronts, that the fronts that they've played,
Speaker 1: when you're blocking sixty plays a game or sixty five
Speaker 1: plays a game, that they're gonna get you on one
Speaker 1: or two of those plays, I mean, they have that
Speaker 1: that you're playing such a you're playing such talented fronts
Speaker 1: that if you do have a miss block that a
Speaker 1: Michael Brockers is going to make you pay. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like they're getting beat by bad defensive linement.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the Rams game in
Speaker 1: the second half, the pressure came down to really two guys.
Speaker 1: It came down to Aaron Donald and it came down
Speaker 1: to Michael Brockers and on the on the on the pass,
Speaker 1: on the pass play that was thrown that was intercepted,
Speaker 1: Michael Rockers had to beat probably your second best lineman
Speaker 1: to get the pressure in Zach Martin. You know. So,
Speaker 1: I mean it's the competition I think is says a lot.
Speaker 1: Are people loading up on them? Yeah? People, But but
Speaker 1: you're also dealing with you know, you're asking an offensive
Speaker 1: line to be perfect against some of the better defensive
Speaker 1: lineman in this league. It's a tough, tough stretch of
Speaker 1: four fronts that you've been playing. Yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: I think that really has a lot to do with it.
Speaker 1: But they do miss block. I mean, they have occasional breakdowns.
Speaker 1: But I've always said, evaluate sixty five plays of an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. But what happens is when they have one
Speaker 1: or two miss blocks in a running game and then
Speaker 1: it turns into a negative play, then we're like, well,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the running game. But then the other
Speaker 1: fifty eight times that they've done and maybe twenty other runs,
Speaker 1: guy got you know, they got their block, They handled
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, they handled Michael Brockers. You know, they got
Speaker 1: that taken care of. I think that has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with what's going on whether they face this week.
Speaker 1: Packers aren't as good. I'll tell you what, and we'll
Speaker 1: get into Packard talk tomorrow. I mean we'll talk about
Speaker 1: but Daniels and guys like that. Yeah, they've got some
Speaker 1: good I mean, they've got good players. But it's not
Speaker 1: their linebackers give you problem. Yeah it's not. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, when you look at and I watched
Speaker 1: their defense, Kenny Clark, the knows is a good player.
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels, there's questions about him. It's hip, it would be,
Speaker 1: you know, but they've they've had their struggles, they've had
Speaker 1: their struggles up front. I think this is really more
Speaker 1: about who they've played. Because when when you miss a
Speaker 1: block on Aaron Donald and it could be your best player,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be right on top of your quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be right on your ball carrier, you know. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably a little bit of both. Tay's right,
Speaker 1: you got new pieces on this line, and yeah, they
Speaker 1: we circled it in April, like we knew this, this
Speaker 1: was gonna be a challenge for this. Jonathan Cooper is
Speaker 1: not better than Aaron Donald. Yeah, And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Ronald Leary
Speaker 1: is better than mc donald. To your point, two weeks
Speaker 1: in a row they played a defensive lineman or a
Speaker 1: pass rusher the best at his particular position in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They played Von Miller out of two out of three weeks,
Speaker 1: and then they played Aaron Donald and nice pieces around
Speaker 1: them too, So no question. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of both. I mean, I think this line's
Speaker 1: trying to adjust a little bit to some new pieces.
Speaker 1: So I think the word was chemistry. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it's chemistry. I think it's continuity. You're trying that new
Speaker 1: guys into your five. That's not half, but it's close.
Speaker 1: I just don't think. And and the tight ends, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tight ends, that's that's even. That's a fair point too.
Speaker 1: That's a really fair point. I don't think you're getting
Speaker 1: hurt with Lyle Collins. No, I really don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're getting hurt with Lyle Collins. Now are
Speaker 1: you getting hurt with Jonathan Cooper in that game the
Speaker 1: other day? And maybe the fact that Jonathan Cooper all
Speaker 1: of a sudden is thrown into the game with reps
Speaker 1: no reps during the week because it didn't get till Friday.
Speaker 1: Did you get to Friday and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's playing the game. It is the biggest thing that
Speaker 1: hurt he did right now is that you like Chad's
Speaker 1: green in there, but you just can't rely on him.
Speaker 1: It's like all those other linemen that you have on
Speaker 1: their knock on wood. You can most mostly rely on
Speaker 1: them consistently. And that's that could be And they haven't
Speaker 1: said this, but that could be one of the reasons
Speaker 1: they said, Lyle, why don't you we're gonna put you
Speaker 1: at right tackle because they wanted that to be consistent. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: when when? When? But yeah, right, I do think when
Speaker 1: Chads is healthy, I think he's your left guard though still,
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's been poor in these firsts. No,
Speaker 1: but but what you're looking at too though, is you're
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where you have had some guys,
Speaker 1: like I said, as Zach Martin, miss a, Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: miss a, Tyrant Smith miss Yeah. You know when those guys,
Speaker 1: when you're all pro players, miss then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have some negative plays. But a lot
Speaker 1: of it, I think is about who they've played. I
Speaker 1: really really do and and and and and they had
Speaker 1: you know you people probably say, well, Brian, what about
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and what about Yeah, look at the team they
Speaker 1: didn't have success running the football against last year, the Giants, right, Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: better fronts, right, one of the better, but you're playing
Speaker 1: against better fronts. You know, it wasn't always pretty for
Speaker 1: this running game last year. I think you can kind
Speaker 1: of look back. They were big questions here in the
Speaker 1: start of that first half of the season last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: member Zeke. First couple of games, Oh yeah, they wanted
Speaker 1: to put Alfred Morrison there. I mean, I know my timeline,
Speaker 1: Alfred Morris. What's the you know bus? This kid's a bust.
Speaker 1: You know, I just I look at I look at
Speaker 1: the opponent, and I look Okay, who's making the plays
Speaker 1: for them. That game in the second half came down
Speaker 1: to Michael Brocker's and Aaron Donald and the way they
Speaker 1: were able to play. That's that's really what happened in
Speaker 1: that game. And he had a couple of bad does
Speaker 1: Briant you know, drop on third down? You know, you
Speaker 1: know what, Excuse me when you go back and look
Speaker 1: at that play. He didn't drop it. He didn't catch
Speaker 1: it right through his arms, right through his hands, the
Speaker 1: wickets right now, it was low. You had to rather
Speaker 1: the past. Sure, at least knee I not ankle high.
Speaker 1: But he's made that catch before he has he has
Speaker 1: see I think that was the first series, right, it
Speaker 1: kind of got him off to kind of got him
Speaker 1: off that bad start. Yeah, because that was the third
Speaker 1: down play. Yeah s, yeah, it's it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a a lot of things going on here. But I
Speaker 1: I like I say, if they're best players are making
Speaker 1: plays and your best players are trying to block them
Speaker 1: and you're not having success, yeah, then then now it's
Speaker 1: like huh yeah, I never will say then, oh well,
Speaker 1: hey is this is supposed to be one of the
Speaker 1: best lines in football. But having said all that, they
Speaker 1: scored thirty points and had four hundred and forty yards
Speaker 1: total offense. Got beat Bill, didn't he got beat? So
Speaker 1: and the Ram score seven field goals and in can't
Speaker 1: imagine that when you hand him thirteen points. It helps? Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely it does help. Well, what also helps and you
Speaker 1: guys get involved in our conversations. We now have Marked
Speaker 1: from Boston on the line. Mark, what's your question? How's
Speaker 1: everybody doing? We're good. I'm first time caller and I
Speaker 1: followed your show for a long time, So thank you, glad.
Speaker 1: I guess that, thank you. Yeah. My question was Um
Speaker 1: with the left cut and the right tackle. And this
Speaker 1: is the thing that I have. People keep comparing the
Speaker 1: Sign to the last three seasons and replacing Larry, and
Speaker 1: I knew that that was gonna be a big luck
Speaker 1: because Cooper and Um and Green they're not as good.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be as good. They're not as
Speaker 1: good as Larry, and I think Collins will be as
Speaker 1: good as Free. But you know, say what you want
Speaker 1: about Free. He was a pro and he keep you know,
Speaker 1: and he knew and he had the experience, he knew
Speaker 1: how to play the game. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: Collins is laughing right now, but I think eventually he
Speaker 1: will be up at a player. But I think that
Speaker 1: that's the problem, and now the line just has to jail.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people are acting like the Scott's calling,
Speaker 1: you know, it's I just think they just got to
Speaker 1: give them offensive line some time to jail. And I
Speaker 1: think the Copple to get back to doing what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I think they got to win more on first down.
Speaker 1: Excuse you, they gotta win more on first down. But
Speaker 1: I believe that with some time, by the end of
Speaker 1: the season, I believe this client will if Green stays healthy,
Speaker 1: I believe the line can jail and become, you know,
Speaker 1: as good as the pubis three seasons. But right now
Speaker 1: it's not and it's not gonna happen just like that
Speaker 1: because before this, before the Copples got mind, remember all
Speaker 1: the problems that was having them in twenty thirteen, but
Speaker 1: Romo was running for his life. So I think that
Speaker 1: with them, you know, with the offensive line, with the
Speaker 1: way that um you know, you know, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought they did a little better this week, but I
Speaker 1: think that with time, the little jail. You know, that
Speaker 1: was really my question about the offensive. Thanks, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, it's funny about this whole thing.
Speaker 1: And I and hey, thank you for calling sir. Really,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that the hate for Doug Free
Speaker 1: by fans generally, and now he's gone, everybody through the day, everybody,
Speaker 1: I say, then we'd rue the day. But I think
Speaker 1: that's that's hard. I think you're right now, you're acknowledging
Speaker 1: and you're missing is sure. But he made a decision
Speaker 1: that wasn't the team's decisions. Like no, no, no, But
Speaker 1: I just find it funny. No, no, I find it.
Speaker 1: I find it amusing, is what you know. Yeah, everybody
Speaker 1: couldn't get couldn't wait to get rid of Doug Free,
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get rid of him. And now he's gone.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, we miss Doug Free. That
Speaker 1: happens at other positions too. Yeah. If the safety doesn't
Speaker 1: make a play as well, Bury Church, we ride this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we ride this roller coast or this personnel roller coaster.
Speaker 1: Brandon Car. Yeah, all of a sudden, we miss Brandon Car.
Speaker 1: Oh noah, yeah, we will, we will, we will, we
Speaker 1: will care her that would come up. Yeah, we will
Speaker 1: kick Doug Free to the curb in a heartbeat. But
Speaker 1: you know, oh wait, we're not running for five yards
Speaker 1: to carry. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Where's the
Speaker 1: hell is Doug Free? My gosh, just team, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, and you know what going into And I'm
Speaker 1: not kicking the guy, that guy that called her, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's it's amusing to me. Going into this game,
Speaker 1: they had thirty six rushes on first down and they
Speaker 1: were averaging three point two eight run, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: terrible getting you in second and long, third and long
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah. And even the passing plays. They had forty
Speaker 1: four passing plays and they were averaging six point three yards. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's not getting the ball down the field at all.
Speaker 1: Playoff teams for seven seven yards are over. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that the first down has been problematic. They did get
Speaker 1: better on third down, right, they were seven or fourteen,
Speaker 1: much much better first down running in this game though,
Speaker 1: first half eleven for ninety eight yards. Yeah. Well there
Speaker 1: was a seventy eight yard run in there. It still counts, no,
Speaker 1: I know, but it wasn't like consistently getting seven yards.
Speaker 1: Take out the run and then would have they do,
Speaker 1: huh take out Morris's run and then what did they do?
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing. Math not me. It's
Speaker 1: whatever he's saying here at this problem is on first out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again, Yeah, they still scored thirty points with no
Speaker 1: help from their special teams and no help from the defense. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: did an interesting pool kind of fell off of what
Speaker 1: we were talking yip about yesterday with Shaun Lee being
Speaker 1: a big absence. But yeah, I left him out of
Speaker 1: there because yeah, I just guessed he would be the pick,
Speaker 1: could be the winner. Which of the Cowboys defenders that
Speaker 1: they've been missing are you most excited to see return?
Speaker 1: Maybe this week, maybe after the bye. You got four
Speaker 1: choices besides Sean Lee Woozier, Nolan Carroll, Anthony Hitchens or
Speaker 1: David Irving. Anybody got a preference Hitchensay you vote? Did
Speaker 1: you vote for Hitchens? I did? Thanks, Mick. Just now
Speaker 1: I voted for David Irving. I want to get that
Speaker 1: quarterback down because JJ Nelson he's good good, I mean
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson JJ was two weeks ago. I would have
Speaker 1: voted for I would have voted for Hitchins myself. Hitchens
Speaker 1: got thirty eight percent of the vote. David Irving got
Speaker 1: fifty WHOA, sorry, guys, yep, I'm in tune. Tay knows
Speaker 1: the fandom. Do you think people and Carroll with eleven percent? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think people are going I'm sorry, WOZI yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think people are okay with with what they've
Speaker 1: seen from Jalen Smith? Is that why the why they
Speaker 1: don't feel as feel as uh strongly about getting Hitchens back? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think you saw any I mean, look, linebacker on
Speaker 1: some of these receivers, these Ram receivers. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who it is. Yeah, doesn't matter who. It's not a
Speaker 1: good matchup. You don't want Cooper Cup on a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I think that they're more alert of the big plays
Speaker 1: that opponents have been striking onto the Dallas Cowboys and
Speaker 1: seeing that. Okay, their secondary issues, but if you get
Speaker 1: the quarterback down before any of that happened. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: pass rush has been which helped him. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they've seen the how much it's improved with the
Speaker 1: pass rush. When they win big games, they're doing something
Speaker 1: right over there, and then when they don't, it's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: how did Jared Goff get so many yards? You know,
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm I'm thinking, at least, I'm
Speaker 1: not speaking for the fans. I'm just saying he had
Speaker 1: the same amount of yards is the Dak Prescott? Yeah, now,
Speaker 1: and he scored Dak Prescott scored three touchdowns. So, David Irving,
Speaker 1: how many sacks did he finished with last year? Well,
Speaker 1: the league the team lead was six, right, Yeah, second
Speaker 1: was five, right, and that was your defensive tackle that
Speaker 1: was Collins, right, he had five. No, he had four sacks,
Speaker 1: led the team in pressures twenty six. Yeah, there you go. Well,
Speaker 1: that's that Tampa game. He lit him up Tampa. That
Speaker 1: gave it the end of the year Tampa and green Bay.
Speaker 1: Tampa and green Bay were his big games, which defensive
Speaker 1: end spot was he rushing from against? Left side? Left side?
Speaker 1: Left side defensive end? Should just put him on the
Speaker 1: right side, because when they played Tampa, Lawrence was down.
Speaker 1: They were wresting him for the playoffs, right, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to move Lawrence back to our original You
Speaker 1: want to shoot him there? Yes, absolutely, Mickey liked to play,
Speaker 1: would like to do something to help his defensive tackles though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Stephen Paia and I don't. I don't disagree with him
Speaker 1: there knee the knee. I think it's slowing him down.
Speaker 1: I mean they played Crawford last year at some one
Speaker 1: technique worried about him getting beat up in their playing one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's who's more sturdier, who's more
Speaker 1: bulk gear to play the one of the nose, Collins
Speaker 1: or Crawford. Joe Looney totally switched Joe Joe bo Joe
Speaker 1: and there things up over to the D line. What
Speaker 1: a plot twist. I mean we saw with Keith Smith.
Speaker 1: Just kidding, Okay, what are you more worried about then?
Speaker 1: Because Dallas is third in the league in sacks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you worried more about your run? Defense or getting pressure.
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of We've gone four weeks without
Speaker 1: anybody really saying I'm sorry. You probably said, hey, I'd
Speaker 1: like to get the quarterback on the ground. I'm worried
Speaker 1: about the runs they got to stop run. I wasn't
Speaker 1: as worried about that. I know what you're saying, Mickey,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't worried about the quarterback because look at
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that they faced. Besides Eli Manning, he placed
Speaker 1: Trevor Simmon, and you know, Palmer's in the last years
Speaker 1: of his career, and Jared Goff is such a question
Speaker 1: mark some of these times. So I wasn't as worried
Speaker 1: about that, and then it became an issue that we'd
Speaker 1: seen from nowhere, and then you know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: say the runner this past week because he plays like
Speaker 1: a receiver, right. Yeah, they limited the big plays in
Speaker 1: the passing game last week. That girl's fifty three yarder
Speaker 1: that should have been like a twenty yard completion. They
Speaker 1: missed the tackle at the second level by the safety,
Speaker 1: and the run defense is where they struggled. They gave
Speaker 1: up eight runs of ten or more yards in the
Speaker 1: game that doubled their previous total Sean Lee. He might
Speaker 1: have not been the glixer for everything, but I think
Speaker 1: your your guys Pro Football Focus say he's the best
Speaker 1: run defense linebacker in the league right now. See sometimes, yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys tell me that. Yeah that's that's honestly. Because
Speaker 1: so someone sitting to me some about Miles Jack had
Speaker 1: missed a tackle in two and I'm like, I was
Speaker 1: happy until I looked at the source and unt I
Speaker 1: saw what the source was Pro Football Focus. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I you know, I wow, I'm everybody hates him. I
Speaker 1: have more concern I have more concern over than playing
Speaker 1: run defense now, I really do, because I when the
Speaker 1: look at the teams that have beaten him. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: they've won those games. It's been about the Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been about those ten eleven, you know, twelve yard runs
Speaker 1: they had. They had seven of those allowed in the
Speaker 1: second half. Yeah, three on that final drive that basically
Speaker 1: ran out the clock, Cowboys out of timeouts two minutes left,
Speaker 1: trying to win the game with a touchdown. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just girl, it was Tavon Austin and they knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna run the ball. Yeah. Yeah, that's what's
Speaker 1: sad when he's in the backfield, they're gonna give him
Speaker 1: the ball. Just hey, they're gonna get it to him.
Speaker 1: And they went look over there they went and left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cowboys right right, went left. Yeah. We needed Tony Romo
Speaker 1: to call that game. He predicts those things. He helps
Speaker 1: clear that up for these guys. But you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about runners and we we've mentioned it briefly. Just
Speaker 1: an update on the easy Elliott rob Did you fly
Speaker 1: back from New Orleans already here? Yes? I did. I
Speaker 1: caught the forty five minute flight. Thank you American. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't here. See what could delay okay, just hold
Speaker 1: on explain it a little bit, because what could delay
Speaker 1: the ruling was Kessler came up. He found some legal
Speaker 1: case and it was an arbitration case with some worker
Speaker 1: with Verizon, and the worker actually won the case. And
Speaker 1: so when the NFL was arguing that you can't overrule
Speaker 1: an arbitration, he came up with the case. And the
Speaker 1: judge said, so, mister Kessler, did did when did you
Speaker 1: come up with that case? And he goes, has that
Speaker 1: been in the evidence that you gave us beforehand? And
Speaker 1: he goes, no, it wasn't and he goes, did the
Speaker 1: NFL get that information? And he goes, H, no, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: your honor or, I didn't give it to him. We
Speaker 1: just found it, and and he got admonished for not
Speaker 1: giving it to him. So he said, Okay, by tomorrow
Speaker 1: the NFL can respond to this case. So that meant today, right,
Speaker 1: So I don't know how soon they get it to them,
Speaker 1: and then they have to see what the response is
Speaker 1: to this case they unearthed. I want to know who
Speaker 1: their researchers are that they find all these precedent cases.
Speaker 1: Can you clear some things up? You know you're Mickey
Speaker 1: is a very thorough reporter as always. We know that,
Speaker 1: and he listened to the full hour of it yesterday.
Speaker 1: But explain for some some people who are listening right
Speaker 1: now who don't know who Kessler is. I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot do, but it's he's the nflpa's lead attorney, Okay.
Speaker 1: And then the fact that they're in the Fifth Court
Speaker 1: Circuit right now, right and the arguments are they're kind
Speaker 1: of basic. To just try to simplify it. The NFL
Speaker 1: is saying that the NFLPA wrong fully filed a lawsuit
Speaker 1: before the obitration was the verdict given and the nflpa's saying,
Speaker 1: and they used an analogy. I think they used a semi,
Speaker 1: something like when a semi is getting ready to run
Speaker 1: into your house, you don't have to stay into the
Speaker 1: house before you leave, right when you know there's going
Speaker 1: to be an accident, you get out. And they're saying,
Speaker 1: we knew we were going to lose the obitration because
Speaker 1: when they didn't allow the evidence that Kia Roberts used,
Speaker 1: uh didn't allow us to question commissioner, we knew we
Speaker 1: were going to get beat. So we filed the lawsuit
Speaker 1: ahead of time. And the NFL's saying, well, that's wrong,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have done that. So basically what's going on
Speaker 1: right now, it's like there's no arguments about guilt or
Speaker 1: not guilt. It's the legal ease of did you have
Speaker 1: the right to file before the hearing was delivered? And
Speaker 1: then then fell saying that we have to get a
Speaker 1: stay on the stay because we can suffer a reprotable
Speaker 1: harm if he's not immediately punished. And one of the
Speaker 1: questions of the NFL by the appellate panel was why
Speaker 1: did you let him play Week one? It was still
Speaker 1: concerned about a reprotable harm to the NFL. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they didn't have a good answer that. You know what
Speaker 1: their answer was, this is a different process because this
Speaker 1: is new stuff that we're mitigating with domestic violence. We
Speaker 1: didn't have this process before. But the nfl PA pointed out, well,
Speaker 1: they didn't suffer a reprotable harm with the Tom Brady
Speaker 1: case and they didn't even question that. They allowed that
Speaker 1: to go an entire year and he still served his suspension.
Speaker 1: So our argument is regardless of when he's suspended, if
Speaker 1: he's suspended and we lose, he's still gonna suffer for
Speaker 1: a six game suspension. And the nfl PA, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're basically talking about well, yeah, but then no,
Speaker 1: the NFL is saying, well, this undermines our suspension rules,
Speaker 1: like everybody can do the same thing and never get suspended.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, there's a few options here, Right, they could
Speaker 1: either grant a stay of the injunction, which could have
Speaker 1: allowed Zeke to be suspended immediately, right. They could deny
Speaker 1: it to where if it goes through the normal court system,
Speaker 1: he could play all season or likely before they ever
Speaker 1: get to the lawsuit case. Or they could decide, correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong to throw this out and say
Speaker 1: that the jurisdiction wasn't warranted in Texas, and then it
Speaker 1: would go to New York? Is that right? Yes? Yes?
Speaker 1: And then it starts all over again because they're basically
Speaker 1: saying they shouldn't even be in New Orleans, they should
Speaker 1: be in New York. So then the process with what
Speaker 1: start all over again? Yeah? Oh boy? It And I
Speaker 1: was told and I said, what happens if you know
Speaker 1: what happens if they throw it all out? And I said,
Speaker 1: where does it go from there? And I was told
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? Yeah. And I can't imagine the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court doesn't have better things to litigate than a football
Speaker 1: matter on a suspension stud the Great Wizard White Alive.
Speaker 1: We yeah, probably, But see, the whole thing comes The
Speaker 1: whole thing just comes down to did you have a
Speaker 1: you know, the bottom line, which we may never get to, yeah,
Speaker 1: was did you have a fair arbitration hearing? Right? And
Speaker 1: the answer, obviously, when you see it all is absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, thank you, Mickey, I mean, hey, I listened
Speaker 1: to all. That's a lot to remember. I think that
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are constantly wondering every Monday morning, is it
Speaker 1: going to be playing the Sunday? Yeah? Can you playing tonight?
Speaker 1: If that's going on? I know one thing though, if
Speaker 1: they do, Look if if Zeke's, if the NFL Players
Speaker 1: Association loses this, this thing is going to be immediate.
Speaker 1: They're not waiting around. No, they're not. They've oh yeah
Speaker 1: the suspension, suspension, get ready, it could happen. If it
Speaker 1: happens on a Thursday, a Friday, Saturday, whatever, boom, They're
Speaker 1: gonna six games. Yeah, they're gonna hit it. Can now
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about the running game in a whole
Speaker 1: new light. Yep, but we Silford More. It's a little
Speaker 1: hope there, that's true. Are they working on Saturday? Can
Speaker 1: they rule it on Saturday? They can rule whenever they want.
Speaker 1: Those judges are probably over at Felix's eating oysters. Now, guys,
Speaker 1: we have a friend of the show who always gets
Speaker 1: in the phone lines. We appreciate you calling from such
Speaker 1: a far far away country. Philip from France on the
Speaker 1: phone lines. What is your questions? First, I want to
Speaker 1: say that I keep all the people of Las Vegas
Speaker 1: in my praises, thank you very much. I stick to
Speaker 1: my games about Jared Goof. I wasn't that impress Briscott
Speaker 1: was better despite the loss and the mistakes managing long
Speaker 1: and clock, eating drives and keeping drives alive with his abilities.
Speaker 1: Now might be beating a dead horse here, but I
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out why the online play was
Speaker 1: so so after three weeks compared to last year, I said,
Speaker 1: my day off today. My wife will get on my
Speaker 1: back later in the evening. But watching random two two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen games, it was a giant at Dallas
Speaker 1: Bengals and at Steelers, and the first three of this
Speaker 1: young season from different tangles and different speed, I want
Speaker 1: to say I'm not the kind the person throwing dirt
Speaker 1: on people who I respect for the football knowledge they
Speaker 1: have compared to mind to mind. Excuse me, but I
Speaker 1: noticed a few things. If I'm off, tell me and
Speaker 1: please correct me. Terrence Smith doesn't really look like himself
Speaker 1: so far this year. I mean he doesn't look as
Speaker 1: smooth and light footed as before. I assume he's still
Speaker 1: bothered by his back, but I noticed something else. It
Speaker 1: was a thick lake on his assignments. I mean he
Speaker 1: tends to look lean. Wait, check longer on his right side,
Speaker 1: while Collins is still a work in progress, although he's
Speaker 1: getting better and better after each game. Is in learning
Speaker 1: the passions to play right tackle will pay him huge dividends.
Speaker 1: Travis Fredericks, who's at his best when he can climb
Speaker 1: up to the second level is a thick lay to
Speaker 1: rich block or comball block on his right. On his left,
Speaker 1: he sometimes finds himself on left on an island. He
Speaker 1: seems worried about the backside block when the play is
Speaker 1: going on the right side. I saw him often in
Speaker 1: his first or and a third step looking on his
Speaker 1: left thing he didn't do that often last year. Then
Speaker 1: he's late and he can climb up to the second
Speaker 1: level and cut the defense into because the linebacker road
Speaker 1: or the safety has time to fill the gap. Like
Speaker 1: Martin is often look into his left two to check
Speaker 1: where Frederick is, and then he is late and he's
Speaker 1: assignment to as his Collins. Then the Titans, waiting for
Speaker 1: the garden tackle to push to ease their job and
Speaker 1: creating a lot of jam found themselves with their pants
Speaker 1: around their ankles trying to block bigger defensive end instead
Speaker 1: of simply chipping them or getting in the way and
Speaker 1: looking for second level blocks, a simple DOMAINO effect from
Speaker 1: where far that looks and smells like something like a
Speaker 1: count maybe a confidence crisis. Regarding the last left guard spot,
Speaker 1: the greatest call we ever had. We appreciate that, wondering, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know if I could argue
Speaker 1: with somebody any of that. We can't because we are
Speaker 1: much we're out of time. No, that was great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are did a great job. He did agree, you've
Speaker 1: been watching game pass or what he's been watching some
Speaker 1: NFL games. Start your free trial today. Well that's how
Speaker 1: how knowledge well you could be if you two. He
Speaker 1: went back and studied games last year too. He said,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Pittsburgh good games to watch, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about three to four fronts or I think
Speaker 1: with the since any but at least with the Steelers.
Speaker 1: But no, I don't think that he was. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's far off. And you know, and there's a
Speaker 1: there is some some confidence in what you're having to
Speaker 1: do there, see, and it's the continuity, right. I think
Speaker 1: he pointed out about Frederick looking left because he's not
Speaker 1: like bad, are you doing your job over there? Well,
Speaker 1: we're doing our job. We're doing our job every day
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty am Central time. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what time that is in France, but Philip yeah, and
Speaker 1: everyone five thirty six thirty at night, and everyone who
Speaker 1: joined us today. We constantly appreciate it, and we'll be
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