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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Martha Stewart, and I'm coming to you

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Speaker 1: from Terrain, a nature inspired home and garden shop in Westport,

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Speaker 1: Connecticut and one of my favorite places to buy plants

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Speaker 1: and just look around and see what's new in the

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Speaker 1: world of home decorating. I'm here celebrating something extremely exciting,

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Speaker 1: the re release of my very first book, Entertaining. This

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Speaker 1: book originally came out on December thirteenth, nineteen eighty two,

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Speaker 1: almost forty three years ago. After being out of print

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Speaker 1: for some years, it is out again in bookstores everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And it all started right here in this Connecticut town

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Speaker 1: along the Long Island Sound, just an hour outside of

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Speaker 1: New York City, depending of course, on the traffic. Joining

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Speaker 1: me today are some of those who helped me create Entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Hawes Weinstock was supposed to come. Elizabeth really helped

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Speaker 1: me hone the text of the book, and she lives

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Speaker 1: in Martha's vineyard and just didn't make it to the

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Speaker 1: plane in time. Sorry, Elizabeth. Corey Tippin, one of my

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Speaker 1: head waiters. Can't wait to talk to Corey. Nisi Fernandez,

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Speaker 1: my first real housekeeper who then went on to become

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Speaker 1: the most fabulous flower decorator and also contributor of many

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Speaker 1: many recipes that we included in our books. Nice to

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Speaker 1: see you, Nissi. Jeff Katz, who was Were you a headwaiter?

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Speaker 2: So I guess, but didn't we all kind of do

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Speaker 2: everything to.

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Speaker 1: Give you all jacks of all trade?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: But your name was Jeff Vicky Slowed, so nice to

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Speaker 1: see Vicky. Vicky was responsible for much of the calligraphy.

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Speaker 1: She just was such a creative, fabulous person. Louise Felix,

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Speaker 1: who was like second mother to the gang. You'd really

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Speaker 1: kind of bost everybody around really nicely. You were great.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Gross, who's sitting next to me, who you look

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Speaker 1: pretty much the same, Sarah, and you sound the same,

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Speaker 1: and it's nice to see you here. And she's responsible

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Speaker 1: for some of the more delicious recipes in the books.

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Speaker 1: And Ellen Byron, who's on zoom Hi, Ellen Hi, So

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Speaker 1: she can't really interact with us, but it's nice to

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Speaker 1: have her here on zoom. And my sister in law,

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Speaker 1: Rita Christiansen, flew up from Florida today to be with us,

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Speaker 1: and it's so nice that you're here and sitting around us.

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Speaker 1: We have my niece Sophie, we have my niece Christina,

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Speaker 1: all of whom they have contributed to the publications in many,

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Speaker 1: many different ways. And Judy Morris, she came in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two, So ten years after this momentous event of

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Speaker 1: publishing my very very first book. It's nice to talk

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Speaker 1: to all of you again, and thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for joining me on my podcast. Is really great. So

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Speaker 1: all of you were part of the original crew who

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Speaker 1: contributed to the parties that became the entertaining book. So

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Speaker 1: please if you each pick up microphones and introduce yourself. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: tell us what your role was in making this book

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Speaker 1: and how we came to work together, and what you're

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Speaker 1: doing now.

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Speaker 3: I answered the infamous ad in the paper for the

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Speaker 3: market Basket.

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Speaker 4: That's how I met you.

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Speaker 1: Market Basket was my very first shop in Westport, Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: part of a larger store called the Common Market, which

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Speaker 1: the public. Remember that boy, look what's happening so well?

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Speaker 3: And that was an incredible store, I mean, with the

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Speaker 3: first of his kind, first of his kind, similar to.

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Speaker 1: This little shop, that little big shop that we're sitting

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Speaker 1: in right now called terrain, which is part of anthropology now,

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Speaker 1: but lifestyle, gorgeous, innovative products.

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Speaker 4: Anti and cheese, food, food.

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Speaker 1: Cosmetics, you know, beautiful stuff. Yeah, it was a great story.

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Speaker 4: So what did you do for me?

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Speaker 1: Originally?

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Speaker 3: I originally worked in your basement kitchen cooking.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you made cookies for the store.

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Speaker 3: I made cookies for the story. Yes, I made cookies

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Speaker 3: for the store. I made chocolate bunnies for the store.

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Speaker 3: I made Hawa Tasahara bread for the store.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, then when you started catering, we started cooking

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Speaker 1: Right, remember, right, is there a go to story that

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Speaker 1: you tell your friends about working with me? Was? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I tell you my friends that I really wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: Currently, what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm retired.

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Speaker 3: I were retired. Yeah, you're not allowed to retire. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm doing lots of other things. But I went on

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Speaker 3: And then I opened up a little kitchen that I

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Speaker 3: But the things I remember from working for you, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh, transporting wedding cakes was a nightmare until we finally

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Speaker 3: And we would make the cakes and then at night

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Speaker 3: So we would come in and the cakes would all

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Speaker 4: They had to make my first one, you know, without

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Speaker 1: Did you have a good time?

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Speaker 1: No wedding cake?

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Speaker 4: Who makes their own brands now?

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Speaker 1: On? Well, thank you that's so great.

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Speaker 3: But I thank you because I really would have gone

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Speaker 1: Our next is Vicky. I still call you Vickyna grin,

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Speaker 1: but it's Vicky Slow And so what are you doing now, Vicky?

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Speaker 7: I'm a full time grandma.

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Speaker 1: Oh you are? How many grandchildren?

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Speaker 4: I have four?

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Speaker 1: Oh lucky you. I only have two. And I was

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Speaker 1: at the market basket. Yes, but you were very important

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Speaker 1: in terms of the esthetic because I love your esthetic

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Speaker 1: always and you were always making things look so so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure we use lots of your ideas in

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the butter mounds that we used to

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Speaker 1: You, right, And your flower arrangements. Two were very beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You did very good flower arranging. I don't remember, Oh

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Speaker 1: you did? You did? You did lovely things.

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Speaker 7: Do you remember a bright blazing blue day with mounds

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Speaker 7: of fresh, fuffy snow and I brought that basket over

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Speaker 7: to your house with a chocolate sufle roll and some

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Speaker 7: ass also answered the same ads.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember. I have to dig up that ass.

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Speaker 1: I have to find that for my autobiography. I don't remember.

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Speaker 7: You told me that the dogs ate the chocolate raw.

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Speaker 1: shy and very liat and perfect for the job. Perfect.

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Speaker 1: I was perfect for the job. Perfect. You had lotched

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Speaker 7: It's really grateful to learn to learn how to be

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Speaker 1: You Martha, well, thank you, thank you, thank you. Louise Felix,

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Speaker 1: tell me how we got together.

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Speaker 4: We got together.

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Speaker 1: It's like six degrees of Martha Stewart though, truly.

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Speaker 8: And it was from Sarah and I remember that I

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Speaker 1: But what did you say? All the great houses we

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you're nudging in there.

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Speaker 6: So I took a step back from working very hard.

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Speaker 9: I had met her brother Adam in New York and

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Speaker 1: I think that's when I needed a lot of people.

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Speaker 9: work for another architect, don't so I finally seized my

442
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Speaker 9: opportunity to open my own business, and I've had a

443
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Speaker 9: very nice run. It was a little slower now than

444
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Speaker 9: I would like, but that's okay. I've written a couple

445
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Speaker 9: of books in the downtime.

446
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

447
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 4: Man.

448
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 6: In Georgia's wedding, I was not the.

449
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: Best man, but I was, was I? Rita? I was

450
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: in the wedding, which we haven't talked about yet, but anyway.

451
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Speaker 9: Another fantastic thing about all the people I met working

452
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 9: with Martha was that I became friendly with her brother George,

453
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Speaker 9: and ultimately the coincidence was marrying Rita, who I had gone.

454
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Speaker 2: To high school with.

455
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Speaker 9: Oh.

456
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that. Oh.

457
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 9: I kind of got involved for when they were dating,

458
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 9: and we remained friends. And yes, I was in the wedding,

459
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Speaker 9: which is also chronicled in the book and with af

460
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Speaker 9: fur their Ado, here's Rita.

461
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh Hi, Rita, Rita may the trip from Florida. What

462
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: town do you live in?

463
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Speaker 10: Fort Myers?

464
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Speaker 1: She lives in Fort Myers, fighting hurricanes, et cetera, et cetera.

465
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: Ady three oh boy last year and I kept calling Rita,

466
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Speaker 1: are you okay? Are you okay? And Rita did marry

467
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Speaker 1: my baby brother, George, who at the time was a

468
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Speaker 1: builder in Fairfield. And how did you meet George.

469
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Speaker 10: At a disco rollerblading party?

470
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: Disco had that right, and I could not do it.

471
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Speaker 10: And he was helping me and holding my hand all

472
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Speaker 10: right time.

473
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Speaker 1: And they fell in love and got married in my

474
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Speaker 1: backyard and we grew special flowers for their wedding, knowing

475
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Speaker 1: that it was going to occur. And that was a

476
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Speaker 1: beautiful wedding. That was a beautiful wedding, so beautiful, So rita.

477
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Speaker 1: But when did you come to work for me? After

478
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Speaker 1: you got married, I came to work for you.

479
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Speaker 10: I did a little freelance work after Kirk was born.

480
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 10: Were in the middle of an audit and I helped

481
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Speaker 10: you with the audit.

482
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Speaker 1: Here was that eighty four eighty four?

483
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 10: So after the book, yes, and then I started working

484
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Speaker 10: for you in eighty five.

485
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Speaker 1: Those audits weren't they fun? No?

486
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 10: Oh god, no, not fun. And then I worked for

487
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 10: you for thirty two years, So.

488
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Speaker 1: Thirty two years and did a lot of good for

489
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Speaker 1: my company. You did, indeed, wow, So you lived through

490
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: all these contractual book projects that we did. You went

491
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: through the IPO of the company. Later on, when we

492
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: had our magazine and our kmart contracts and all of that,

493
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: and Rita just calmly just sat in her office and

494
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: did all this mountains of work. Really amazing, amazing.

495
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 10: Learned a lot.

496
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did learn a lot together and a part.

497
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: So much stuff went on and working with all the

498
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: different employees. Do you know we counted up last year

499
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: We've been trying to count how many people actually worked

500
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: for Martha Stewart Living and we've come up with more

501
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: than twenty seven hundred people. Yeah, it was such a

502
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: great place. And keeping a magazine a vibrant the way

503
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: we did for forty years was really incredible too. Yeah,

504
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: we've done a lot. We've done a lot and Rita

505
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: you have to see in the book her wedding.

506
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 10: It was fantastic food.

507
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 6: Oh, it was so good. I remember all those dishes

508
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 6: that we did for your wedding. We dragged him out

509
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 6: on the lawn and you had a photographer there and

510
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 6: he shot every single fabulous thing that was served. Yeah.

511
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: I love the bridesmaids dresses, those beautiful aqua chiffon dresses

512
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: and flowered in the hair, and the big white tent beautiful.

513
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I sun flowers, bud.

514
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: That easter field for your wedding. I remember mowing it

515
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: and mowing and mowing it so the grass was not

516
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: too long. Everything was perfect. What day of the what

517
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: month was that?

518
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 10: August?

519
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh? August? It was so nice. Yeah. So, now that

520
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: we've gone around the table, which is not a round

521
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: table but a long rectangular table, who wants to tell

522
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: some funny stories because people love to hear memories.

523
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Speaker 6: I do have a couple. Okay, now we're on the

524
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 6: subject of George. George said, one afternoon when we were

525
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 6: getting ready for a party, would just go next door

526
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 6: and pick some sunflowers. They won't mind. So next door

527
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 6: was very real Westport character. This woman. She had a

528
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 6: lot of property, and she draw them in and I

529
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 6: go out there with my clippers and clipping, and suddenly

530
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 6: I heard these shots going on. She had a bb gun, like,

531
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Speaker 6: get off my property.

532
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: Oh god, I didn't. And by the way, I did

533
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: not tell them to go and pick the sunflowers.

534
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 6: George, Okay, maybe it was like his idea of practical joke.

535
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 5: But later he was stung by hundreds of bees.

536
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: And he was allergic.

537
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 6: Yes, and he was sitting there, oh yes, and we

538
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 6: were feeding him shots of whiskey.

539
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: No no, and we got it. We had to get

540
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: an ePIE pen and everything he was he was allergic

541
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: as my husband was allergic to bees.

542
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 6: And you stay away from the right. And then one

543
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 6: other funny thing that happened. You had a client, PepsiCo,

544
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, which was a huge corporation.

545
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh the Luau. Do you remember the Luau?

546
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: And the gardens were done by an exceptional man.

547
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: I forgot his Russell Page.

548
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 6: It was Russell Page who actually did the sculpture garden.

549
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that whole sculpture garden. Oh yeah. I became

550
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: friends with the CEO and his wife and hated a

551
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: lot of their personal dinner parties after we did the Luau.

552
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: And I now work for Pepsi every now and then,

553
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: doing a commercial for like crot Well. But they brought

554
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: me the blue out picture last year. He still had

555
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: it in their archives. Had very nice picture of us

556
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: cooking the pigs over the fire.

557
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 6: Remember, So there was a lot of downtime when we

558
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 6: were there. And Bertie who we all.

559
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Loved, Bertiekins, she was the great flower arranger. Yeah she's lovely,

560
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: yea daughter.

561
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 6: So we snuck off and we were smoking pot and

562
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 6: you came around the corner and you caught us, and

563
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 6: instead of berating us, you know what you said, I said,

564
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 6: give me a puff. Yeah, they said give me some.

565
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 6: So today it's kind of irrelevant, like who cares. But

566
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 6: back in those days it was like it was against

567
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 6: the law. We were breaking the law what you were

568
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 6: very cool about. And one more thing, can I tell

569
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 6: you about my favorite party?

570
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: Yes? Which on?

571
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: So we did a party for Klaus Oldenburg and his wife.

572
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 6: Oh yes, it was fabulous and it was in the

573
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 6: old whitney downstairs where the restaurant was.

574
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: So it wasn't Klaus Oldenburg, yes, no, no, it was

575
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: it was Roy Lichten. Fine, Roy Lichten, because and you

576
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: did all the great you I remember everything. Do you

577
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: let me pictures of that?

578
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: I wish idea we did.

579
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 5: It's still life.

580
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: I can't find any pictures of the roy Lichtensteine dinner

581
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: because there was a big retrospective upstairs at the Whitney

582
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: of Roy. And now I'm I'm friends with his wife

583
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: and my boyfriend, my ex boyfriend collected lots of very

584
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: really important Lichten signs who I never bought one stupidly,

585
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: and we are the tables, The big buffet tables were

586
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: all just sort of like Tableaux vivant of lichten Sex.

587
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: The Still Lives with the gloves painted gloves. Remember, yes,

588
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: we did it.

589
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: I recreated his his artist oil box.

590
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: With and we had paint. We had paint squirting out

591
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: of tubes, oil paints, and we had goldfish and they

592
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: were his paints too. There were same colors of paint

593
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: that he used, the primary colors.

594
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 5: And he came down and you shook our hands instead.

595
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 6: How much he loved me.

596
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: He loved it.

597
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 6: And his wife was lovely, so lovely.

598
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they were. They were very fun. And that

599
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: was That was one of my favorite parties. And then

600
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: were you there for the Paloma Picasso party at the

601
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: on Fifth Avenue. We did it at the Sacred Heart School.

602
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: Luckily red and black. It was all because she her

603
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: colors were red and black and she was just launching

604
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: her perfume with my brother in law, George Friedman, and

605
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: and we catered her dinner and it had to be

606
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: all red and black. So we had salmon and caviar.

607
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Everything was red, and we had a filet of beef

608
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: and something else, something else black. I can't remember what,

609
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: but anyway, she Ime went to a party a couple

610
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: of months ago at Gagosian and there's Poloma Picasso and

611
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I went up to her to say hello, and she said,

612
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: I know you, and you catered my first party in

613
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: New York. She remembered everything, but it was memorable that party.

614
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: It was totally memorable. Well, you have a very good memory, Corey.

615
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 5: I do about that time because it was so inspirational.

616
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: Well, I love that you were.

617
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 5: We were young, we were.

618
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: Young and energetic.

619
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Speaker 11: I said, it was super inspirational. I'm doing what I

620
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 11: did now because of what I learned from you and

621
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 11: working those parties. I write culinary, cozy mysteries because I

622
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 11: got assembled all that knowledge and kept it in my

623
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 11: brain and harkened back to it all the time.

624
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's time to end our conversation. One more story.

625
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: Why do you talk about the Nomes Party? So before

626
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the book was written, and the reason I got the

627
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: publisher of this book to want to publish my first

628
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: cookbook was because I catered the Nomes party for Alan Murkin,

629
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: right which and Alan Murkin was publishing Clarson Potter and all.

630
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: And this is before and Crown before the merger with

631
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: random houses a long long time ago. And Alan was

632
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: so impressed with the Gnomes party, and you took that

633
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: was the Omlink party.

634
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: That was the Omelin people, right, six hundred people at.

635
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: The US Customs House at the tip of Manhattan.

636
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: Right, and and with mermaids.

637
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: All the waitresses we were dressed as mermaids. They're brought

638
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: were big collop shells from the Coq Quil san Jaq.

639
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

640
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we wired them together and that's what they did

641
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: that back then, no one, nobody did that. And you

642
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: were all sitting the Customs house has beautiful alcoves in

643
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: the walls and those stone walls, and I put the

644
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: waitresses in the or they were actually again live people,

645
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: just sitting as decoration decoration, and they were sitting in

646
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: the alcoves making believe they were fairies because it wasn't

647
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: the Nomes book. It was the Fairies Book, okay, by

648
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: the same author Reenport's lead the Duck writing before right,

649
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: So on that note, I mean, we could go on

650
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: and on and on and on and talk about all

651
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: these fabulous stories, but I'm glad that you do remember them.

652
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it had an effect on your life

653
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: and on your work, and it's so nice for me

654
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: to hear all that.

655
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: I'm glad and you did entertaining because half those recipes

656
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: I never had, even though I'm.

657
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: So you know, well, thank you so much for joining me,

658
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: and this has been very fun and very meaningful for

659
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: all of us, and I hope for the readers of

660
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: the book. I'm proud that the book has had such

661
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: an enduring success. I'm very pleased that Clarkson Potter chose

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Speaker 1: to reissue it this year in fact simile, which means

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Speaker 1: it's exactly the same as the original, and it's still

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Speaker 1: dedicated to my husband Andy, my ex husband. I took

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Speaker 1: his name out in later editions, but not in this one,

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Speaker 1: because this is the original and it's now available again

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Speaker 1: wherever you purchase books. So I hope all of you

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Speaker 1: will add it to your collections and that it inspires

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Speaker 1: a whole new generation to embrace entertaining. So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, thanks for taking the time. It really means

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Speaker 1: a lot to be really okay,