WEBVTT - The Latest Peace Deal, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>All Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome back to Katapem. Here. This is Scharen

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<v Speaker 2>and today we are continuing our conversation from yesterday where

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about the US proposed peace deal for Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel that looks suspiciously like a deal Hamas had

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<v Speaker 2>already agreed to just a few weeks before that and

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<v Speaker 2>Israel did not agree to. We had ended part one

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how the IOF literally killed their own hostages

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<v Speaker 2>when they mistakenly thought they were threats, and I ended

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<v Speaker 2>saying speaking of threats, and I'm going to continue because

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<v Speaker 2>that's what professionals do. So since October seventh, Israel has

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<v Speaker 2>described Hamas as an existential threat, saying that it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to destroy the group and won't stop the violence in

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza until it does so. But I would argue that

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<v Speaker 2>most people who are pro Israel or Western Zionists in

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<v Speaker 2>general don't actually know anything about Hamas other than thinking

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<v Speaker 2>they're this big, bad evil that has to be eradicated

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<v Speaker 2>by the quote only democracy in the Middle East, which

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<v Speaker 2>I hope by this point people realize is a sick joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is suddenly being talked about on every news channel

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<v Speaker 2>and anything even remotely pro Palestine is now labeled as

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<v Speaker 2>pro Hamas when most people in this country, I would argue,

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<v Speaker 2>most likely had never even heard of Hamas before October seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Labeling something as pro Hamas truly just means nothing. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as Israel is concerned, the UN is Hamas. In May,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's ambassador to the UN, Galad Erdan, said in an

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<v Speaker 2>interview with Israel's Army Radio that the UN has quote

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<v Speaker 2>turned into a collaborator with Hamas, maybe even more than that,

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<v Speaker 2>a terror organization unto itself. Wow, Israeli leadership has just

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<v Speaker 2>continued to one up themselves when it comes to saying

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<v Speaker 2>the most insane fucking shit. And then, according to Zionists,

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<v Speaker 2>the college campus protests that we're calling for a literal

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<v Speaker 2>end to genocide are also pro Hamas. Earlier this month,

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<v Speaker 2>a lawsuit was filed in Verse by a US law

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<v Speaker 2>firm and an Israeli legal group who have teamed up

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<v Speaker 2>to suit two organizations involved in recent college campus protests,

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<v Speaker 2>the American Muslims for Palestine and National Students for Justice

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<v Speaker 2>in Palestine. They accuse these groups of collaborating with Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>to serve as their quote propaganda division in the US

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<v Speaker 2>arson of Trosky, the CEO of the International Legal Forum,

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<v Speaker 2>who was working with this US legal team of Greenberg

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<v Speaker 2>Tarig and the National Jewish Advocacy Center. He called the

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<v Speaker 2>American Muslims for Palestine and the National Students for Justice

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<v Speaker 2>in Palestine, as well as all the protesters supporting Palestine,

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<v Speaker 2>most of whom are students as quote the foot soldiers

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<v Speaker 2>of Hamas. If I was going to go through everything

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel and Zionists have labeled as pro Hamas, this

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<v Speaker 2>episode would never end. But I hope it's clear that

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<v Speaker 2>this label and accusation isn't based on any real sort

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<v Speaker 2>of evidence or proof, and it is only a way

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<v Speaker 2>to scare people into blindly supporting Israel in quote defending

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<v Speaker 2>itself big quotes there against this growing evil spreading across

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<v Speaker 2>the globe and invading our campuses, when in reality, there

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<v Speaker 2>would be no Hamas without Israel. Although Hamas eventually grew

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<v Speaker 2>into being the most active armed resistance group in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>it definitely didn't start that way and it wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>even had the power to grow the way it did

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<v Speaker 2>if it weren't for intentional actions by Israeli leadership that

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<v Speaker 2>started decades ago. Before we get into a timeline of

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<v Speaker 2>the Resa Hamas peace deals that have led to this

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<v Speaker 2>very similar deal at the US proposed all deals that

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<v Speaker 2>again Israel has rejected. I want to make sure we

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<v Speaker 2>at least have an understanding of what Hamas, even is Hamas,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an Arabic acronym for Islamic resistance movement, would

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<v Speaker 2>not exist today if it wasn't for Israel. American and

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli politicians are always saying the same thing, how dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>an evil Hamas is, without mentioning how Israel itself helped

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<v Speaker 2>create Hamas. The TLDR of it all is that israelis

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<v Speaker 2>helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the

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<v Speaker 2>late nineteen seventies into one of the world's most notorious

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<v Speaker 2>militant groups. Is in a conspiracy theory, It's a confirmed fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Former Israeli officials, such as Brigadier General is Sak Sagev,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the

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<v Speaker 2>early nineteen eighties, have openly spoken about this. After his tenure,

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<v Speaker 2>Segev told a New York Times reporter that he had

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<v Speaker 2>helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a quote counterweight

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<v Speaker 2>to secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization aka

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<v Speaker 2>the PLO, as well as the FATA Party, which was

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<v Speaker 2>led by Yaser Arafat. Arafat two referred to HAMAS as

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<v Speaker 2>quote a creature of Israel. Hamas was officially founded in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven, at the start of the First Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>Intifada or uprising against the Israeli occupation, but its beginnings

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<v Speaker 2>actually started much earlier. Hamas founder, sheik ahmedia Sin, was

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The brother Hood had

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<v Speaker 2>been repressed by Egyptians in Gaza prior to nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but once the Israelis invaded and occupied the Gaza Strip,

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<v Speaker 2>they chose to encourage this group of extremist Islamists. The

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<v Speaker 2>dominant Palestinian political force in Palestine at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>the PLO, and it was deemed a threat to Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and so Israel sought to undermine its power. The PLO

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<v Speaker 2>is a nationalist coalition which was centered around the secular

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<v Speaker 2>FATA Party led by Yasser Arafat. By empowering y Scene

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<v Speaker 2>in the Muslim Brotherhood, Israel thought they could divide the

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<v Speaker 2>occupied Palestinian people and eventually rule over them by playing

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<v Speaker 2>them against each other secular nationalists versus religious Islamists. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight, Yasin wanted to officially register his Islamic Association,

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<v Speaker 2>which was basically the precursor to present day Hamas. The

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis jumped on the opportunity to help make this happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yasin built and grew a network of Islamists social institutions

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<v Speaker 2>across Gaza, funded largely by Israel. Avnar Cohen is a

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<v Speaker 2>former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for

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<v Speaker 2>more than two decades. In two thousand and nine, he

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<v Speaker 2>told the Wall Street Journal Hamas to my great regret,

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<v Speaker 2>is Israel's creation. Back in the mid nineteen eighties, Cohen

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<v Speaker 2>even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them

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<v Speaker 2>not to play divide and rule in the occupied territories

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<v Speaker 2>by backing Palestinian Islamists against the Palestinian secularists. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in his report, I suggest focusing our efforts on finding

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<v Speaker 2>ways to break up this monster before reality jumps in

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<v Speaker 2>our face. Clearly, his superiors did not listen to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and Hamas was the result. To be clear, Israelis had

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<v Speaker 2>helped build up a militant strain of extremist political Islam

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of Hamas and its Muslim brotherhood precursors,

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<v Speaker 2>and allowed it free reign in order to quiet any

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<v Speaker 2>chance of progress in Palestine, and then when it became

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<v Speaker 2>convenient for their desionist narrative, the Israelis tried to bomb,

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<v Speaker 2>besiege and blockade it out of existence. David Hashem, a

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<v Speaker 2>former Arabs affairs expert in the Israeli military who was

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<v Speaker 2>based in President in the nineteen eighties, said the original

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<v Speaker 2>sin was Israel's support of ya See in the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, when I look back at the chain of events,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we made a mistake. But at the time

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<v Speaker 2>nobody thought about the possible results. Yeah, no shit. The

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<v Speaker 2>only American politician that I know of who has ever

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<v Speaker 2>referenced how Israel Is responsible for Hamas's creation is Ron Paul.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and one on the floor of the House,

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<v Speaker 2>Ron Paul said Hamas was encouraged and really started by

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<v Speaker 2>Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yaser Arafat. Speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of Arafat, not only did he himself tell an Italian

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper that Hamas is a creature of Israel. He also

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<v Speaker 2>said that the former Israeli PI Prime Minister Yasakrabien admitted

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<v Speaker 2>this to him, calling it a quote fatal error. Yaesin

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<v Speaker 2>was eventually assassinated by an Israeli air strike in Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>on March twenty second, two thousand and four. Sylvan Shalom,

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<v Speaker 2>former Israeli Vice prime minister, set after Yasine's death, that

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<v Speaker 2>quote Scheh Yassin and his organization Hamas are responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>the killings of more than four hundred Israelis, when actually

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<v Speaker 2>no Israel is clearly largely responsible. David Long, a former

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East expert in the US State Department under Ronald Reagan,

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<v Speaker 2>told journalist Robert Dreyfus, I thought the Israelis were playing

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<v Speaker 2>with fire. This, of course, is not a unique development,

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<v Speaker 2>as there have been dozens of instances of unneeded and

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<v Speaker 2>malignant US intervention in other countries for its own gain,

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<v Speaker 2>and since then Hamas has killed far more Israelis than

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<v Speaker 2>any secular Palestinian militant group. Israel built up Yasine and

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas as a rival to Arafat's FATA then they killed

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<v Speaker 2>ya scene, and then they doubled down and making Haamas

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's worst enemy, an enemy it would use to justify

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<v Speaker 2>to the entire world that it was not only okay

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<v Speaker 2>but necessary to control and massacre millions of Palestinians. In

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<v Speaker 2>the process of destroying this threat, Israel spent more than

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years helping build up Hamas and then spent another

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years trying to destroy it. All of this is

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<v Speaker 2>to say that, aside from the purposeful assistance from Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and creating Hamas, that Hamas wouldn't even exist if it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't for the Israeli occupation, there would be no resistance

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<v Speaker 2>because without the ethnic cleansing enforced violent occupation, there would

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<v Speaker 2>be nothing to resist. In the process of bolstering this

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<v Speaker 2>militant group, Hamas also became the main armed force behind

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<v Speaker 2>the Palestinian resistance, and many view Hamas as the only

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<v Speaker 2>group even attempting to defend Palestinians in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli occupation, and the organization itself has changed over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the last decade, it seems like Hamas was

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<v Speaker 2>and is increasingly trying to establish a more favorable status

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<v Speaker 2>quo for the Palestinian people. Hamas's leaders were shaped by

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<v Speaker 2>the hard realities of a brutal occupation, which was marked

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<v Speaker 2>by mass arrests of Palestinians, the expropriation of Palestinian lands

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<v Speaker 2>and control of their resources. More than half a million

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians were arrested and tried in Israel's military run courts

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<v Speaker 2>between nineteen sixty seven and nineteen eighty seven, and over

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred Palestinian homes were demolished and thousands of Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>were forcibly deported aka ethnically cleansed. After Hamas won the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six elections in Gaza, its leader Hania

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<v Speaker 2>said the group exccept did a state on the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven borders, as well as all the decisions taken

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<v Speaker 2>by the PA and the PLO, but there were no takers.

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<v Speaker 2>HAMAS leaders also backed the two thousand and two Era

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<v Speaker 2>Peace Initiative that called for the following the withdrawal of

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli forces from territories occupied in nineteen sixty seven, the

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<v Speaker 2>right of Palestinian refugees to return to the homes they

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<v Speaker 2>had been forcibly displaced from since nineteen forty eight. And

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<v Speaker 2>the formation of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state in return

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<v Speaker 2>for air recognition of Israel. But Hamas's offers were repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed by Israel and ignored by Israel's Western allies, including

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<v Speaker 2>the US, despite Washington's claims of playing the role of

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<v Speaker 2>a quote honest broker in the conflict, Tarek Baconi, author

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<v Speaker 2>of Hamas contained the Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance,

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<v Speaker 2>told Al Jazeera Hamas has always said that they are

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<v Speaker 2>ready to offer a truce and to stop targeting civilians

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<v Speaker 2>if the Israeli occupation or moves its settlers. At least

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred and fifty thousand Israelis live in hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>fortified illegal settlements and outposts across the occupied Palestinian territories

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<v Speaker 2>of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the vast majority

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<v Speaker 2>of which are again built illegally, either entirely or partially

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<v Speaker 2>on private Palestinian land, and thus they violate international law.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the more infuriating and frankly incredibly stupid talking

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<v Speaker 2>points that Zionists have when it comes to talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is the two thousand and six election where Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>elected Hamas as their appointed leadership. I want to remind

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<v Speaker 2>every one of a few things. The Gaza strip has

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<v Speaker 2>a very young population. Most of the inhabitants in Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>are under fifteen years old. The largest population group in

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza are children between the ages of five and nine

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<v Speaker 2>years old. This population wasn't even born yet, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>old enough to vote in two thousand and six. And furthermore,

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<v Speaker 2>leadership does not indicate your right to live a life,

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<v Speaker 2>your right to not be killed. If you're in America

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump is your elected president and you hate Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe other foreign entities hate Trump, do you deserve

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<v Speaker 2>to die? No, you don't. The resistance fighters in Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>are not the ones who wrote the original charter. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not the ones who establish Hamas in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>They're young people that are joining the most active armed

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<v Speaker 2>resistance to defend Palestine. It's their only option, and Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>have tried other non violent forms of resistance against this occupation.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen, there was something called

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<v Speaker 2>the Great March of Return. It started on March thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen, and ended December twenty seventh of twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Every Friday. For those years, Palestinians in Gaza demonstrated and

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<v Speaker 2>protested along the border fence between Israel and Gaza for

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<v Speaker 2>a right to return to their homes and to demand

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<v Speaker 2>an end to the Israeli blockade in Gaza. During this time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli army killed a total of two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three people. Over thirty six hundred and one thousand people,

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<v Speaker 2>including nearly eight thousand and eight hundred children, were injured.

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<v Speaker 2>This is after a peaceful attempt at demonstrating, after a

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<v Speaker 2>peaceful attempt at trying to resist occupation, they're still shot

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<v Speaker 2>and killed. They're shot with the intention to kill. Expecting

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians to be pacifists when it comes to resisting a brutal,

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<v Speaker 2>violent occupation that has been now almost a century long

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<v Speaker 2>is very small minded and entitled and frankly wrong. Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>have their right to resist. Armed resistance is legal under

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<v Speaker 2>international law when it comes to resisting and occupying power.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this mean? Maybe you've heard that train of

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<v Speaker 2>thought before. Let me explain it to you. Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>back in time a little bit. The General Assembly of

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<v Speaker 2>the United Nations the UNNGA, which was once described as

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<v Speaker 2>the collective conscious of the world, noted the right of

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<v Speaker 2>peoples to self determination, independent and human rights. As early

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<v Speaker 2>as nineteen seventy four, Resolution three three one four of

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<v Speaker 2>the UNGA prohibited states from any military occupation. However temporary

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<v Speaker 2>hum curious Israel has been doing that for decades now.

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<v Speaker 2>In the relevant part of the resolution, the resolution not

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<v Speaker 2>only went on to affirm the right to self determination, freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>and dependence of peoples forcibly deprived of that right, and

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<v Speaker 2>particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms

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<v Speaker 2>of alien domination, but it also noted the right of

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<v Speaker 2>the occupied to quote struggle and to seek and receive

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<v Speaker 2>support in that effort. The term armed struggle was implied

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<v Speaker 2>without precise definition in that resolution and many early other

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<v Speaker 2>ones that upheld the right of indigenous peoples to evict

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<v Speaker 2>an occupier again the right of an indigenous people to

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<v Speaker 2>evict their occupier, but the imprecise language was changed on

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<v Speaker 2>December third, nineteen eighty two. At that time, the WNNGA

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<v Speaker 2>Resolution three seven Slash four three removed any doubt or

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<v Speaker 2>debate over the lawful entitlement of occupied people to resist

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<v Speaker 2>occupying forces by any and all lawful means. The resolution

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<v Speaker 2>reaffirmed quote the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence,

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<v Speaker 2>territorial integrity, national unity, and liberation from colonial and foreign

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<v Speaker 2>domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>And although Israel has tried time and time again to

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<v Speaker 2>recast this ambiguous intent of this precise resolution, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>place its now nearly century long, violent brutal occupation in

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<v Speaker 2>the West Bank and Gaza beyond this resolution's application. The

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<v Speaker 2>declaration itself proceeds to be very explicit in its language

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to Palestine. Section twenty one of the

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<v Speaker 2>resolution strongly condemned quote the expansionist activities of Israel in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East and the continual bombing of Palestinian civilians,

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<v Speaker 2>which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of self

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<v Speaker 2>determination and independence of the Palestinian people. That's what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what many people mean when they say that

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians have the right to resist and armed resistance is

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<v Speaker 2>illegal under international law. I want to bring that up

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<v Speaker 2>because even if Hamas does not reflect the viewpoint of

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<v Speaker 2>some Palestinians, Hamas is also the main armed resistance group

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<v Speaker 2>that has been fighting against the IOF in defending Palestine

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza in particular against Israel, and they have a right

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<v Speaker 2>to do that clearly, as international law states. Regardless, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>go back to talk about the history of Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>how they amended their charter in twenty seventeen. In twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas formerly amended its original nineteen eighty eight charter. The

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<v Speaker 2>new charter holds that armed resistance against an occupying power

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<v Speaker 2>is justified under international law. And while the nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight Hamas Charter has been widely criticized for its anti Semitism,

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and seven document states that Hamasa's fight

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<v Speaker 2>is not with the Jewish people, but with the Zionist project,

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<v Speaker 2>and as you should realize by now, anti Zionism is

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<v Speaker 2>not anti Semitism. The new charter also announced once again

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<v Speaker 2>that it would accept a Palestinian state on the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty seven borders. This would recognize, in effect, a two

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<v Speaker 2>state solution and therefore the existence of Israel as a

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<v Speaker 2>legitimate entity. This was proposed even as Israel continued to

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<v Speaker 2>insist that it can no longer allow Hamas to exist,

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<v Speaker 2>and as Israeli politicians, led by Netanyahu, repeatedly ruled out

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<v Speaker 2>a two state solution. Hama's political leader Hahaled Mischal said

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, the Hamas thinking from the very start,

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<v Speaker 2>was clear we are not facing a religious war. Hamas,

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<v Speaker 2>ever since its inception, realizes the nature of the struggle

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<v Speaker 2>against the Israeli occupier, that it is not a struggle

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<v Speaker 2>because they are Jews, but because they are occupiers. Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>officials dismiss the new policy paper as lies. In a

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<v Speaker 2>video Ntennyah, who symbolically and dramatically threw the document into

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<v Speaker 2>a trashman, saying it was an attempt to deceive the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Through its actions which span across decades, Israel has not

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<v Speaker 2>shown any interest in a political agreement, whether with Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>or or other Palestinian political parties like FATA, which governs

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<v Speaker 2>the occupied West Bank. Sary Arabi, a Ramala based political analyst,

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<v Speaker 2>told Al Jazeira, the issue is not about Gaza. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also not about whether Israel or Hamas started the war.

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<v Speaker 2>There are daily killings and assaults in the occupied West Bank.

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<v Speaker 2>There are attacks on the XA Mosque, there are prisoners

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<v Speaker 2>and checkpoints. The people in Gaza are refugees, they were

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<v Speaker 2>isolated and separated from the rest of the Palestinian people,

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<v Speaker 2>and the vast majority of Gaza's population are refugees who

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<v Speaker 2>were forcibly expelled from their homes and villages in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty eight Nekba by Zionist militias. Many political analysts

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<v Speaker 2>also blame Israel for the failure of the Oscil Accords

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<v Speaker 2>signed in nineteen ninety three. In nineteen ninety five between

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and the PLO, which was representative of the Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>people at the time, the agreements led to the formation

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<v Speaker 2>of the PA, an interim five year governing body meant

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<v Speaker 2>to lead to an independent Palestinian state comprising of the

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<v Speaker 2>occupied territory of East Jerusalem and the West Bank and

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<v Speaker 2>the Gaza Strip. However, thirty years into its existence, the

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<v Speaker 2>PA has failed to create a state in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of Israeli occupation, legal land grabs and settlements, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas took control of Gaza from the PA in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven. While there was initial support for the

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<v Speaker 2>OSCO Accords among Palestinians, the failure to reach a final

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<v Speaker 2>peace agreement by nineteen ninety nine and the growing settlement projects,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly under Nanyahu, left many disappointed. In a leaked video

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten, Nnyaho boasted about how he made sure

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<v Speaker 2>the Oslo Accords did not succeed. The hopes of the

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<v Speaker 2>Osco Accords turned into despair as Israeli policies under successive

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<v Speaker 2>governments continued to undermine the PA and its aspirations. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>the PA has limited administrative rule over pockets of the

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<v Speaker 2>occupied West Bank, while Israeli settlements, which are again considered

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<v Speaker 2>illegal under international law, have grown rapidly. The settler population

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<v Speaker 2>in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem has grown

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<v Speaker 2>from two hundred and fifty thousand Israelis in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three to more than seven hundred thousand this year. In

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<v Speaker 2>his talk with El Jazeera, author Tarik Berconi said the

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<v Speaker 2>Israelis wanted Oslo because that's how they maintained their colonization

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<v Speaker 2>by maintaining the facade of a peace process. Hamas was

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<v Speaker 2>showing a mirror to the Israelis to say, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>actually talking about the possibility of ending the occupation, then

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<v Speaker 2>end it. That was their offer, instead of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety three awesome agreements that they would stop armed resistance

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<v Speaker 2>if Israel let Palestinians be in the eastern side of Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 2>the West Bank, and Gaza. When we look into the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Hamas, we see that its political leadership has

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<v Speaker 2>over the years proposed newnumerous long term truces or cease

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<v Speaker 2>fires to Israel in exchange for the realization of a sovereign,

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<v Speaker 2>independent Palestinian state. But Israel has rejected those offers, arguing

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<v Speaker 2>that Hamas could not be trusted to adhere to any

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<v Speaker 2>long term ceasefire and insisting that any proposal for a

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<v Speaker 2>short term pause and fighting were insincere and strategically aimed

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<v Speaker 2>only at helping the armed movement regroup from losses. I've

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<v Speaker 2>said this before, but it bears repeating. Every Zionist accusation

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<v Speaker 2>is a confession. The reality is that Israel is the

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<v Speaker 2>one who cannot be trusted to adhere to any long

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<v Speaker 2>term ceasefire, as we have seen time and time again.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is a summarized timeline of the most recent peace

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<v Speaker 2>deal attempts that have been proposed since October seventh, since

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<v Speaker 2>the genocide and Gaza started. In January twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>the Nyahoo rejected a Hamas proposal to end the war

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<v Speaker 2>and release more than one hundred captives held by the

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<v Speaker 2>group in exchange for a withdrawal of Israeli forces, the

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<v Speaker 2>release of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, and recognition of

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas governance over Gaza. And then, on May sixth, Hamas

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<v Speaker 2>said it accepted a Gaza ceasefire proposal which was put

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<v Speaker 2>forward by Egypt and Katar. This deal would come in

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<v Speaker 2>three stages that would see an initial halt in the fighting,

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<v Speaker 2>leading to lasting calm and the withdrawal of Israeli troops

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<v Speaker 2>from the Palestinian territory. It would also ensure the release

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<v Speaker 2>of Israeli captives in Gaza, as well as an unspecified

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<v Speaker 2>number of Palestinians held in Israeli jails. The framework of

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<v Speaker 2>the agreement in brief is the release of all Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>captives in the Gaza Strip, civilians or military, alive or

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise from all periods, in exchange for a number of

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian prisoners held by Israel as agreed upon, and a

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<v Speaker 2>return to a sustainable calm that leads to a permanent

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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>Strip as well as its reconstruction in the lifting of

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<v Speaker 2>the siege.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems little familiar, doesn't it. But Israel unsurprisingly did

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<v Speaker 2>not agree to this proposal. Instead, it bombed Rupha, which

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<v Speaker 2>made the Israeli government's message clear there will be no

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<v Speaker 2>permanent ceasefire. Israel's bombing of Rauphah was justified by Israel

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<v Speaker 2>as a way to disband Hamas battalions and seize control

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<v Speaker 2>of the Gaza Egyptian crossing, which Israel accuses Hamas of

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<v Speaker 2>using to smuggle weapons into Gaza, But humanitarian groups were

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<v Speaker 2>quick to point out that a closure of such a

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<v Speaker 2>crossing would only lead to further disastrous consequences for the

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<v Speaker 2>more than one million Palestinians living in the Daphah, the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of them displaced from other areas of Gaza, who

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<v Speaker 2>fled to Daphah after being told by Israel that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a quote unquote say zone. Israel said at the

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<v Speaker 2>time with the terms of the may Haama ceasefire deal

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<v Speaker 2>differed from previous proposals it had seen, but analysts believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the wider issue is that Israel is not willing

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<v Speaker 2>to agree to a permanencyspire, even after Hamas releases all

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli captives. Omar Dehman, an expert on Israel Palestine with

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East Council for Global Affairs, spoke about this

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<v Speaker 2>in May, saying, the last couple of days have proved

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel was not really negotiating in good faith. The

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<v Speaker 2>moment that Hamas agreed to a deal, Israel was willing

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<v Speaker 2>to blow that up by commencing their assault on Rafah.

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<v Speaker 2>The goal is to destroy Gaza in its totality. And

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<v Speaker 2>then on May thirty first, the US announced its own

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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire proposal that Biden said would lead to a quote

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<v Speaker 2>lasting ceasefire in the Gaza strip. He said the proposal

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<v Speaker 2>involves three phases, the first of which would last six

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<v Speaker 2>weeks and would include a full and complete ceasefire as

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<v Speaker 2>well as the withdrawal of Israeli forces from all populated

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 2>areas of Gaza. Again, this peace plan is almost indistinguishable

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<v Speaker 2>from the one that ham also agreed to on May sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>A quick reminder that only twenty five days before this announcement,

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<v Speaker 2>on May sixth, Hamas had agreed to a ceasefire proposal

0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:23.199
<v Speaker 2>by Egypt and Kattad that is almost identical to the

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<v Speaker 2>one Biden announced on May thirty first, and Israeli leaders

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<v Speaker 2>rejected that initiative. On June seventh, Israel rejected the UN's

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<v Speaker 2>resolution of its own hostage deal offer, which was a

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<v Speaker 2>permanent ceasefire in exchange for release of all hostages. A

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<v Speaker 2>reminder that the only mass release of hostages has come

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>through ceasefire exchanges, and that a ceasefire deal means freed

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>hostages without mass death. It boggles my mind that there

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 2>are still people defending Israel and saying all this Palestinian

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>death is for the hostages, because again, if Israel cared

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<v Speaker 2>about their lives at all, they would agree to a

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<v Speaker 2>deal because that deal can guarantee the safety of the hostages.

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 2>But they do not care about the hostages. Every time

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Israel rejects a deal, they are telling you that, and

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 2>yet their supporters are too entrenched in the lies and

0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 2>propaganda of Zionism to ever see clearly. So, just to summarize,

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the US proposed a ceasefire deal which was almost indistinguishable

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>from previous plans, agreed to buy Hamas, and then, while

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>seemingly waiting for Israel to accept the deal, the US

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<v Speaker 2>launched a military operation and committed more war crimes to

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>murder hundreds of Palestinians, and they did this by hiding

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 2>in humanitarian aid trucks while deceiving the world and the

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Palestinians into thinking that they were trying to formulate a

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 2>ceasefire agreement. The US helped Israel plan and carry out

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<v Speaker 2>its massacres. This is what peacemaking looks like to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. A ceasefire deal is the absolute bare minimum,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is nowhere near enough. The removal of Nanyahu

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>is nowhere near enough. He's being set up as the

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>fall guy and scapegoat for Israel, skirting the responsibility of

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>what the Israeli state has done to Palestinian people since

0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty eight. The Fight for Palestine is a liberation

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>movement which demands nothing less than the full dignity, freedom

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<v Speaker 2>and security of all who live under this violent military occupation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a demand to end Israeli apartheid, and until that happens,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel will continue to get away with the Nekaba that

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<v Speaker 2>started in nineteen forty eight and continues today. The Nekba

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<v Speaker 2>never ended. Israel will continue to get away with the

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<v Speaker 2>genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people until Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a apartheid is dismantled. A cease fire is

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<v Speaker 2>the absolute bare minimum to achieving that, and that, my friends,

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<v Speaker 2>is our episode for today. Please keep sharing and learning

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<v Speaker 2>about what is happening in Palestine, and don't stop talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Free Palestine.

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