WEBVTT - Here's To You, Dear Listeners: 2024 Q&A

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to cool People answer your questions instead

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<v Speaker 2>of doing other cool stuff podcasts. That's normally called cool

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<v Speaker 2>people the cool stuff, but today is called cool people

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<v Speaker 2>who answer questions instead of doing other cool stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>your host, Margaret Giljoy, and with me today answering questions

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<v Speaker 2>is Sophie. It's Sophie.

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<v Speaker 1>You look so cool right now. Margaret's standing while she's recording,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she just looks really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because I'm like really fit. You know, you're so fit,

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<v Speaker 2>so fit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm like slouched. I have like a weiring,

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<v Speaker 1>like all black, and I'm like definitely slouched over looking

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<v Speaker 1>very very uncool.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a rule where I can stand for a

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<v Speaker 2>like one episode recording, but I cannot stand for a

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<v Speaker 2>two episodes recording.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's actually, yeah, I respect that. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think that would social violation. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I feel like legally correct.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, I forgot to introduce everyone else. Our audio

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<v Speaker 2>engineer is, of course Ian. No, what nope?

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<v Speaker 1>What? Nope?

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<v Speaker 2>Where do Ian go?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Ian still here? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, Ian's still here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ian and Daniel did like a like a Freaky Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>except a face off like a face off, and have

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<v Speaker 1>swapped editing duties and so now the editor of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is one DJ Danel. Hi Danel, Hi, Danel, everybody Danel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you're this is the first time, so everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening, you have to say Hi Danel. Our

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<v Speaker 2>theme music was still written by on woman, right, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Has not changed. That will never change because that song

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<v Speaker 1>is a banger, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless there's a DJ Daniel remix of the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I would listen to that. Daniel's so talented.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I really like the music that everyone produces

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<v Speaker 2>for cool Zone. So this is you all have probably

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<v Speaker 2>figured out because it's Wednesday and not Monday, that this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a regular episode. That's why the title has

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<v Speaker 2>changed because this is a Q and A thing that

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<v Speaker 2>we do once a year at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>year until the heat death of the universe. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>where we asked your questions on social media and it

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<v Speaker 2>was annoying not beg y'all's questions were fine, but we

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<v Speaker 2>had to go on to social media to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>That I like to pretend like I've quit Twitter and

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<v Speaker 2>it is demonstrably false. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I was gonna say every time

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<v Speaker 1>you say it, and then and then I see you

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<v Speaker 1>on there, I'm like, I know there she is the

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<v Speaker 1>big liah layah liah puns on faja.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, aspirationally and aspirationally quit Twitter user me. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we have questions, then we're going to answer them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what we noticed was that the is

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<v Speaker 1>very representative of how much of a terrible place Twitter is.

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<v Speaker 1>The questions on Instagram are just better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some good ones on Twitter. If you asked

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<v Speaker 2>a question on Twitter, it's not inherently bad, no, but

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<v Speaker 2>overall overall the quality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but let's let's get started, all right. I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to be asking the questions because that is my

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<v Speaker 1>role today. Magpie, you talk a lot about the value

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<v Speaker 1>of community. Do you have any advice for people who

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like they belong anywhere or who really struggle

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<v Speaker 1>to find the community and be accepted.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I sort of love this question great because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really important question. And also I do I

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<v Speaker 2>talk a lot about community. I talk a lot both

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<v Speaker 2>in the History podcast and so do a preparedness podcast

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<v Speaker 2>called Live Like the World. Is dying where I talk

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<v Speaker 2>about community preparedness. I am an introvert. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hard introvert. On the average day, I see zero humans.

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<v Speaker 2>I live in the woods. My best friend is a

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<v Speaker 2>dog who's forty five pounds. I can do squats with

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<v Speaker 2>him at about eight. He gets really annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Again just bragging about how unbelievably fit you are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. It's totally not that I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do more squats, is that my dog gets upset. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think about this question a lot, right, because community

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<v Speaker 2>does matter, But like people tend to think of community

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<v Speaker 2>as like the realm of the extroverts, and the realm

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<v Speaker 2>of the extroverts is a scary place where people expect

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<v Speaker 2>you to dance in front of people. But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the only way to have community, and it's hard because

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<v Speaker 2>there is some degree of putting yourself out there that's necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that primarily when people are struggling to

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<v Speaker 2>find ways to connect, I would say overall, prioritize connecting

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<v Speaker 2>with people in real life rather than connecting with people

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<v Speaker 2>just over the internet and especially over social media. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that face to face interactions have like a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of built in accountability. Like the kind of shit people

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<v Speaker 2>say to you on the internet is a lot meaner

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<v Speaker 2>than what people usually say to you in person. Like

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<v Speaker 2>obviously people say mean things in person, right, but like

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<v Speaker 2>no one's like you know, people have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a like like when you're within punching distance, like

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<v Speaker 2>people act a little bit more politely, right, go places

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<v Speaker 2>for common interests. And I think that activism is actually

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<v Speaker 2>a really good way to do this. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ways to get involved in activism is to think

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<v Speaker 2>about the specific problems that you are excited about addressing

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<v Speaker 2>that feel like the most pressing to you. Whether it

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<v Speaker 2>is the current movement that is really really big, like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean while we're listening to it, right, like Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>libration movement and solidarity movement is a very big thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but also figuring out specifically, like what strength you bring

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<v Speaker 2>to that kind of thing, Right, If you're an artist,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be bringing like, hey, I'll draw flyers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or I'll take notes at meetings, or I'll volunteer in

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen. You know, if you like go to a

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<v Speaker 2>party and everything sucks and you don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>interact with anyone, you just like go find the snacks

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<v Speaker 2>and you hang up by the snacks when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the other introvert who's hanging out by the snacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you find the one dog at the party.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, that's the best, that's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then like the other person who only wants

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out with the dog, you can end up

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<v Speaker 2>having a conversation with yeah, or you just hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with a dog, and then it's like all win win, Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can do this by volunteering at like gatherings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right if you show up and you're like, how can

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<v Speaker 2>I help, and then you're like, oh, we totally need

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<v Speaker 2>someone to pour coffee, right, and then you're like great,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a purpose. And for us introverts it is

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<v Speaker 2>really useful to have a purpose in social gatherings. I

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<v Speaker 2>really like tabling. I actually really like presenting as part

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<v Speaker 2>of my introversion. I'm a weird, outgoing introvert.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, you're an ambi avert, Yeah, I'm like a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an ambiavert.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, that makes sense to me actually, And so

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<v Speaker 2>if I have a purpose, I'm good and I really

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<v Speaker 2>recommend it. You do have to go out and meet people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in order to have community, but you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>like go out all the time and meet people. You

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<v Speaker 2>can go to like three parties and then be done,

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<v Speaker 2>or like go to a couple activist meetings, figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how you plug in, and then kind of sit back

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and like and if you're an extrovert,

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<v Speaker 2>your job is to make sure that all the introverts

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<v Speaker 2>are still wrangled and still like connected, and like reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to them every now and then be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>like we're putting together. I'm using this artist as an example,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, hey, we need a new flyer, Like are

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<v Speaker 2>you available? Can you do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Thing? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And any other thing that I talk about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>is just like literally know your actual physical neighbors if

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<v Speaker 2>you can. This is going to be very different in

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<v Speaker 2>vary different places. I'm not saying become friends with your neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>but like know who they are and like figure out

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<v Speaker 2>how much you can trust them and stuff, because sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>community is literally just who's around you. And I actually

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<v Speaker 2>think introverts have another advantage in this, where like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not super caught up on who's mad at who or what,

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<v Speaker 2>who's dating whom, and blah blah blah and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>give a shit, you know, because I don't care. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. So then I can still sort of be

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<v Speaker 2>friends with ever. I mean obviously, like when one person's

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<v Speaker 2>like a horrible piece shit, it's worth knowing about.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But yeah, can I add one thought to it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's something that I say all the time to people,

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<v Speaker 1>But like, support your friends and their weird hobbies. I

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<v Speaker 1>think supporting your friends and their weird hobbies, they will

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<v Speaker 1>support you in your weird hobbies and then organically community

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<v Speaker 1>will happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're like, hey, I like this weird thing,

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<v Speaker 1>are people gonna think I'm weird? No, because there's other

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<v Speaker 1>weird people who like that weird thing and it's normal

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<v Speaker 1>and it's cool and that's good, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>your community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if people don't think that the weird thing

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<v Speaker 2>you're into is cool, if they're just not into it,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine. But if they think it sucks, then like,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll fuck them.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll fuck them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other thing that you definitely will learn is

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<v Speaker 1>like we'll fuck them is totally okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, other people aren't better than you. Whoever you're listening

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<v Speaker 2>to other people aren't better than you. Well, there's some people.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Hitler is dead, but like you know, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>better than Elon Musk. If you ever like think to

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<v Speaker 2>yourself like, oh I suck, just be like you're not

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk. You're doing better in somebody, you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of being a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you ready for the next one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm born ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so fit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's my favorite thing is how it's doing squats magpie.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there cases where you started researching and had to

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<v Speaker 1>drop them as a subject because you learned bad things

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<v Speaker 1>about them?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I've had moments where I would have, but

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<v Speaker 2>I work on a really tight deadline, and so what

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<v Speaker 2>I usually end up doing is like if the if

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<v Speaker 2>the core character is actually kind of a piece of garbage,

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<v Speaker 2>I shift the story to be around the larger social movement.

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<v Speaker 2>And I try to do that anyway on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>like every now and it's about individuals, but usually it's

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<v Speaker 2>about larger social movements where I focus on individuals, and

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<v Speaker 2>then like what happens instead is that there's people I

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<v Speaker 2>try to avoid, Like I not want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Margaret Sanger, right, who's the founder of planned parenthood is

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<v Speaker 2>eugenicist who used to be an anarchist, who is more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than anyone wants to get into. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get into it. I don't even want to get

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<v Speaker 2>into it right now. But I was like doing something

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<v Speaker 2>on early birth control advocates and I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>time to talk about how messy that is because all

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<v Speaker 2>these motherfuckers are into eugenics, you know, so I just

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<v Speaker 2>do messy shit. I don't know, Yeah, figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>What has been the most pleasant surprise you've encountered in

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<v Speaker 1>researching and presenting any topic on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I don't know if I can come up

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<v Speaker 2>with an example off the top of my head. But

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<v Speaker 2>I really like when historical men turn out to like

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<v Speaker 2>be wife guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite fun. It's so fun because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in reality, the only wife guys that exist are James

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<v Speaker 1>Stout and Daniel Goodman. In my life, yeah, I love Danel,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really fun when they show up in history

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh, man could be our guys one day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Just people who just like genuinely are just

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<v Speaker 2>like really into supporting the women. If you're like a

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<v Speaker 2>straight guy, and you're really into supporting the women who

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<v Speaker 2>are close to you in your life. Yeah, that's fucking great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wish that wasn't the exception, and I'm proud

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<v Speaker 2>of everyone who's working to make it not the exception.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I get excited about when men meet

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<v Speaker 2>a minimum bar that I didn't expect them to.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's another thing that, like, when you figure

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<v Speaker 1>out that you have like a connection, like one person

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<v Speaker 1>removed to somebody in a story, you get really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's true too, you get really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna ask the frog question because I've I've been

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<v Speaker 1>holding out on the frog question. Somebody asked, somebody asked

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter if we had a favorite frogs. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go to a quick break after this, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that we should answer the frog question first, Margaret.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we know you should go first. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 2>have a stronger answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a stronger answer, And I'm very excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am now a frog boy mom, which is something

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm very excited about. My mom got me a

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<v Speaker 1>gift of two African dwarf frogs and they're awesome and

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<v Speaker 1>they jumpy and they're in their little tank that's like

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<v Speaker 1>got rainbow rocks, so they're already just being prideful, which

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<v Speaker 1>is nice. We're raising them right from the start and

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<v Speaker 1>they're adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>And Alex Jones gay frogs. They're just starting out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the water turning. I'm gay. The funniest thing you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever said to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna think that every time I look at them.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. But they're amazing and I've met

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<v Speaker 1>them and uh and my mom won't let me take

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<v Speaker 1>them back home to my house until after Christmas, which

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<v Speaker 1>is such a mom thing. But I visited them and

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<v Speaker 1>I've properly named them. And there's one that's like small

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<v Speaker 1>with like a little head, and his name is Stanley Tucci.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's one that's long and skinny and lengthy

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<v Speaker 1>and his name is Kareem Abdul Jabbar or the Captain.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, and I love them. And African doarf frogs

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<v Speaker 1>are now my favorite frogs. So if you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about African doarf frogs, please message me. I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, Margaret, Okay, my favorite frogs currently are the

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<v Speaker 2>concrete frogs that I'm going to give my father for Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>and this episode comes out after Christmas, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>say it. Yeah, and I'm getting them from the Cursed

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<v Speaker 2>Concrete Animal Store.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a curse concrete And it's in one of those

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<v Speaker 1>stores that sells like the giant like like statues of

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<v Speaker 1>like animals. Is it one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like like you go up and there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>concrete sasquatch next to a concrete kneeling soldier in front

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<v Speaker 2>of a cross next to Yes, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first time I ever went there, I bought

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<v Speaker 2>a raccoon. I like, don't believe the story I'm about

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<v Speaker 2>to tell, not that it didn't happen, but the like

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<v Speaker 2>supernatural part of it is just like it focks in

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<v Speaker 2>my head. But okay, So I bought this raccoon, this

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<v Speaker 2>like squat raccoon statue as soon as they moved into

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<v Speaker 2>my house, and I was like, and I would put

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<v Speaker 2>it in my truck. And I was driving home and

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<v Speaker 2>backcountry roads where I live, and I had never hit

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<v Speaker 2>and killed an animal in my vehicle in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And for the like five miles that I had this

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<v Speaker 2>raccoon statue in my truck, I hit and killed a raccoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and then I, you know, I took it out

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<v Speaker 2>to the woods and stuff, and I kind of think

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<v Speaker 2>it's spirit is now in the fucking curse statue that

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<v Speaker 2>protects my house. And if I had known, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have done it.

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<v Speaker 1>This answer got weirder and weirder.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have done it. Raccoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody just wanted to know where your favorite frog was,

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<v Speaker 1>And now we got raccoon spirits in a statue. And

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<v Speaker 1>if that's not Margaret fucking killed Joy, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you want a curse statue, buy them from

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<v Speaker 2>the Monkey Pole Store, which is our primary sponsor these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah is it? Yeah? I think so, isn't the Monkey

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<v Speaker 2>Pas Store. Well, every goods and services is like a weird,

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<v Speaker 2>horrible exchange. You know, there's a tear rible price, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you want a good or service, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>work a job. It's a terrible price.

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<v Speaker 1>The curve is the it's the curse. And because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people ask this when we did the it

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<v Speaker 1>could happen here, Q and A and I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of people ask it. For the cool people, Q

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<v Speaker 1>and A, I am desperately trying to get the Android

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<v Speaker 1>ad free version up and running. It is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that I can just click and say yes, like we've

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<v Speaker 1>said yes on our end. We're just waiting on corporate

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<v Speaker 1>bureaucracy to figure itself out. But I'm hoping to have

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<v Speaker 1>it soon because I I yeah, I mean I would

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<v Speaker 1>love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not brand loyalty on our part.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for sure not brand loyalty on our part. And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the main things that I wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>with this Android version is also make it so that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's something that can be used on any

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<v Speaker 1>any app you use already, and it's not something where

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<v Speaker 1>you're just doing it on one thing. So hopefully that

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<v Speaker 1>is coming very very soon, and we have good news

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<v Speaker 1>for you on that. Yeah, in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Early in the meantime, there's that press fifteen seconds button

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and Wheat.

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<v Speaker 2>Are back whoo.

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<v Speaker 1>And somebody ask us to listen their top five fruits

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<v Speaker 1>and vegetables and like that's a lot, So maybe give

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<v Speaker 1>me your favorite fruit and your favorite vegetable, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give you my favorite fruit and favorite vegetable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna come out confrontational green peppers my favorite vegetable. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>why is that called green bell peppers? As soon as

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<v Speaker 2>I said I like green bell peppers, Twitter got mad

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<v Speaker 2>at me. Oh, in kind of I like classic, why

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<v Speaker 2>do you hate waffles? Kind of way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shut the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 2>I love green bell peppers. They're they're the most when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, I need the taste of a vegetable.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing is vegetable like a green bell pepper. And my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite fruit, I'm currently drying a bunch of apples, Like apples.

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<v Speaker 2>Apples are great, so I've been really into dehydrating apples.

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<v Speaker 1>I think for me, I have ties in both categories,

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna get four because I simply cannot pick.

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<v Speaker 1>And my top vegetables I think it's a tie between

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<v Speaker 1>asparagus and Brussels sprouts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh those are good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My brother has a really awesome roasted Brussels sprouts

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<v Speaker 1>recipe where you know, you just roast the Brussels sprouts

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<v Speaker 1>for about twenty five minutes, flip once, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>all oil on a little bit of sea salt, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you mix them up with some red wine vinegar,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of alsamic a, little bit of olive oil,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of garlic, and some dijon. Lightly mix

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<v Speaker 1>it up and it is perfection.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, see, I almost want to change my answer because

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<v Speaker 2>what I said didn't make me hungry, but what you

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<v Speaker 2>just said made me hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>So fair enough, fair enough. And then my top two

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<v Speaker 1>fruits are definitely as you just said, the apple because wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I specifically really like cosmic crisp apples. And then blackberries,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh what an awesome fruit. And they're

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<v Speaker 1>so easy to grow. I mean, they'll take over your

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<v Speaker 1>entire fuck they took over all of Oregon. But blackberries

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<v Speaker 1>are fucking delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a variety of this question several different times.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person also also I loved the Muhammad Ali episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Those were great episodes. Was that the one that Ian

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<v Speaker 1>suggested us?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a request from me?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, shout out Ian. Who is your hero?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a hard question.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say probably Eric Omela Testa, who I have

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<v Speaker 2>not covered on this show, but he shows up all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. He's this Italian anarchist who once smuggled himself

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<v Speaker 2>in a crate full of sewing machines to get to

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<v Speaker 2>Brazil in order to write the how to Organize a

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<v Speaker 2>Union by Acres that's like one of them. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the one that's like more direct and more impactful in

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<v Speaker 2>my life is our Sloliquin. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody asked you your favorite book of a Versuilas also.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, fuck, I mean, I've read The Dispossessed the most,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that probably a book of her short

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<v Speaker 2>stories called Urcinian Tales. I have like a real love

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<v Speaker 2>for her short fiction, and it like stays in my

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<v Speaker 2>mind really well, and she just probably has more influence

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<v Speaker 2>on me artistically than anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, I don't really want to answer this

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<v Speaker 1>one because I don't think you have like one person

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm like, this is my personal hero that I

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<v Speaker 1>want that I could pick.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, humans maybe aren't meant to be heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally part of the reason I haven't done a Malla

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<v Speaker 2>test episode yet. What if he sucked? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No one ever talks about his family. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's that.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I hear you. There's a great question

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody that said, out of all the people you've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about. Who do you think your dog would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved to meet?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone who is reasonably short? It's so real. He loves

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<v Speaker 2>all of them and the only way to get away

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<v Speaker 2>with being a large person with My dog has been

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<v Speaker 2>really into dogs. Yeah, so whoever likes dogs the most?

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<v Speaker 2>My dog just loves dog people and gets so confused

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<v Speaker 2>by anyone who isn't as excited as he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. For me, I think that Anderson would have liked

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<v Speaker 1>to have met the riot dog El Negro Matapacos.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck, no, you're totally right. I need to think

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<v Speaker 2>of the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the one that the all black dog with the

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<v Speaker 1>red bandana. Anderson's a been Dana girl herself. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they would have had fun patrolling the Hue Romans.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is a great question. How do you explain

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<v Speaker 1>anarchism to people who are skeptical about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's both a great question and also like one

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<v Speaker 2>of the weird hardest questions. It really kind of depends

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<v Speaker 2>on where someone's coming out about it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it for me is that I'm like, well, what if

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<v Speaker 2>we took the best parts of both caring for the

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<v Speaker 2>individual and caring for the community. And put them together.

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<v Speaker 2>And what if the main argument that people had in

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth century between like capitalism and communism, the individual

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<v Speaker 2>versus the community, Like what if they're both right and

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<v Speaker 2>they're both wrong. And one of the main things I

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<v Speaker 2>start with is that anarchism isn't what you got told

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<v Speaker 2>it is. You know, it's an existing social movement and

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<v Speaker 2>concept that's been around one hundred and fifty years that

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<v Speaker 2>has practitioners of all different types and ideas. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's so funny because it's like such

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<v Speaker 2>a you're like, it's the ideology. That's not an ideology,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the you know. Oh god, that was my broadcaster voice.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard the advertiser voice. Yeah, I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I try not to like convince people to go

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<v Speaker 2>become anarchists or whatever, right, I just like want people

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<v Speaker 2>to like learn that it's not what they got told

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great answer. How do you feel about co ops?

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<v Speaker 2>I love co ops? Is there like a context?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it just like the person said, tell us how

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<v Speaker 1>you feel about co ops?

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<v Speaker 2>I very recently worked for a nonprofit that helps finance

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<v Speaker 2>worker cooperatives, and the way I feel about like grocery

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<v Speaker 2>store co ops is like more complicated. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear my hearing thoughts about that, you can listen

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<v Speaker 2>to our episode that we did with author ren Or

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<v Speaker 2>Eye where they explained food cooperatives and their complicated history.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a very useful way to engage as

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<v Speaker 2>anti capitalists in a market economy and subvert a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of expectations around it. And also a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>work that's been done by cooperatives comes from racialized people

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<v Speaker 2>and especially black communities in the United States, And there's

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<v Speaker 2>like all kinds of work that people have been doing

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<v Speaker 2>around like how to stop economic extras action from impoverished areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we have a lot to learn. Nothing

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<v Speaker 2>has taught me more about how capitalism works than working

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<v Speaker 2>for a place that finances work or cooperatives in a

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<v Speaker 2>good way.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a favorite person you've covered this year?

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<v Speaker 2>I love all my children equally. When people ask me this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like when people like ask me what my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>book is, my first thought is, I've never read a book.

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<v Speaker 2>What is a book you know? Or like, who's your

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<v Speaker 2>favorite band? I'm like, I've never heard of music. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't know what I've done. As soon

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<v Speaker 2>as someone asks.

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<v Speaker 1>Me that, I completely agree. Do you have a favorite bird?

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<v Speaker 1>I love all these animal questions. These are great.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably maglizes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked them as my name. You know, yeah, what

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<v Speaker 2>about you? What's your favorite bird? I just like birds.

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<v Speaker 1>I I definitely have a bird feeder in my yard

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<v Speaker 1>and what I like when they come and eat the food.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a lot of hummingbirds over by my desk

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<v Speaker 1>lately and that's been nice to look at. But I

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<v Speaker 1>like all birds. My brother is like terrified of birds,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know makes me happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have a bird feeder right outside my office window,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I know I see it. Well that's the

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<v Speaker 2>that's the hummingbird feeder and there's no humming. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible plan. But on the other window you can't

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<v Speaker 2>see it from here, there's a bird feeder that it

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<v Speaker 2>took the birds like a month of fine as as

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<v Speaker 2>they found it. Now they're like constantly there and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all these tufted tit mouses and I'm super excited about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to ask my friend whenever on this show

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<v Speaker 2>I like secretly talk about like I had to ask

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<v Speaker 2>my friend this thing. It's always the same friend. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're listening, hi, thanks for telling me. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a tough to tiss tit mouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're going to take another quick break, but we shall,

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<v Speaker 1>we shall be back.

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<v Speaker 2>It would take a break for what.

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<v Speaker 1>For for capitalism or for pressing the fifteen second skip button,

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<v Speaker 1>or for those who have the cooler Cooler Zone media

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.240
<v Speaker 1>subscription on an Apple for literally nothing, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Come, We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>That was really fun. I think I saw this a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times. But what is your research in planning

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<v Speaker 1>and writing process, like for an episode? And I also

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:40.399
<v Speaker 1>saw it for when you're ready to write like a

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<v Speaker 1>short story.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's fiction and fiction short story. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>with an episode, I somewhere around the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>week shortly after recording the last episode, or I plan

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<v Speaker 2>them out ahead of time. Sometimes I plan them out

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<v Speaker 2>way ahead of time. I kind of match them a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit to the guest. I don't tell the guests

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<v Speaker 2>what it's about, but I try to find something that

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<v Speaker 2>the guest doesn't know as much as me about, or

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know as much as I'm about to learn about,

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<v Speaker 2>but has a general interest in, or like a broader

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<v Speaker 2>context of understanding, like a you know, whether shared identity

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<v Speaker 2>or whether like knows some people who are involved in

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<v Speaker 2>similar struggles or whatever thing, And so I pick a subject. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>these days, I mostly go to my bookshelf and I

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<v Speaker 2>find because I just I just buy fuck tons of

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<v Speaker 2>history books, and I go to my bookshelf and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have like a running list of things that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited about, and then I'll usually take a book

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<v Speaker 2>or two as kind of my first and primary source.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I'm really interested in filling in lots of

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<v Speaker 2>context and stuff like that, and so often, I mean, frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things I do for research is I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start on Wikipedia, but I don't end there. I look

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<v Speaker 2>into the sources that inspire the Wikipedia, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>also end up looking at but a lot of academic articles,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just kind of like slowly piece it together.

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<v Speaker 2>I ease take about the first day of work just

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<v Speaker 2>to hear how people usually tell the story, and then

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<v Speaker 2>think about how I want to tell the story and

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<v Speaker 2>get all the pieces, and then I start filling it in,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also take notes as I write, and then

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<v Speaker 2>by the third or fourth day, I'm usually mostly writing

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<v Speaker 2>and going back and putting all the pieces together, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's how I do it. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no academic training or background, so it's been an interesting

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of writing background, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of research background and even background history, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a background specifically in the formal way

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<v Speaker 2>of like collecting all the sources and researching and stuff,

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, And so I've been like hitting up friends

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<v Speaker 2>who do have more of that experience short stories I

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<v Speaker 2>do have more formal education with, and I've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>exploding head diagramed, gone back and forth between whether or

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>not I outline extensively or not. I started off like

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<v Speaker 2>never outlining. I'm like, I'm just writing a story, and

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<v Speaker 2>then like, why do all my stories fail? And someone

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, that's because you don't outline them. You don't

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 2>know what's going to happen, you know. And so then

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 2>I started writing more from outlines, and I use a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of specific not formulas, but like structures for stories.

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 2>My favorite one is the try fail sequence. And then

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I write a story and then I let it change

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the outline as I go, as I learn more about

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the characters, and then honestly these days, I think I'm

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>a practiced enough writer, but sometimes I'm back to just

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<v Speaker 2>being like, I got an idea, I got like a

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>character and what's wrong and where they are, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I just write it and then I do a second draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't follow a lot of what Heinland Robert Heinland

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<v Speaker 2>had to say, but I follow Hinland's rules of writing,

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<v Speaker 2>and any aspiring fiction writer I highly or even artist

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>in general, I highly recommend looking at Hineland's rules of writing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very much about like starting things, finishing things,

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 2>and not getting caught up revising the shit out of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually think that that's helped me a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>To tie it back into the podcast with the fact

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that I do a weekly podcast is that I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>really sit around with revisions over and over again. I

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<v Speaker 2>just have to learn to get things right the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>And except that sometimes I won't get things right, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I've always right. You know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a dream guest for this podcast?

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Depends on how good of a Ouiji board I confind.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say the Ghost of Emma Goldman.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, that's the reverse episode I want.

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>I immediately want ghost.

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Also, yeah, I've had most of my dream guests on

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 2>this show. Yea for me, Like, I mean sometimes you

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>can kind of tell, like I'm a big Mountain Goats fan.

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So having John Darnell on and talking about the Levelers

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and the Ranters in the English Civil War and then

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 2>arguing about theology and politics with John Darnell was like

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>really nice for me, you know. But no, I mean,

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 2>my dream guests are the ones that are easy to

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>work with than smart and funny, and like, I'm not

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 2>worried that they're going to be like scared off by

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the radical politics of the show. But I also don't

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 2>think that they're going to be so purely invested in

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>radical culture that the average listener has no fucking clue

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about, you know, Like the perfect guest

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>bridges the history from my script to the reader.

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<v Speaker 1>Great answer.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Thanks.

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>How did we meet?

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<v Speaker 2>How did we meet through Robert Evans?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Through Robert Evans, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I guess probably the first time I met

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<v Speaker 2>you as guesting on well, we probably talked by email first,

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>but when I guessed it on Behind the Bastards for

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the first time several years ago.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh, huh. I think that's right.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then in person, just in whatever mysterious place

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>we live that happened to be the same at the

0:30:58.680 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 2>same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Do you have a favorite Rintross story from this year?

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm. It's funny because, like Rintrow, like I think about

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>how like when I was younger, I had all these

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>stories because all this crazy shit kept happening to me, right,

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>and like bad stuff happened all the time. I live

0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 2>a very low key life, so most of my Rentrot

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>stories are like you wouldn't believe the nerve a truck

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>drove by today, or like you know when rintroll. Okay,

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>here's my favorite Rentrost story from this year. I was

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 2>staying at my friend's cabin and my friend in in

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 2>on the West Coast, and my friend was like, oh,

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the cabin's haunted, just as a heads up, and again

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I kind of don't believe a lot of this stuff.

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>And then as I'm like hanging out outside this like

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>other person from like the cabin neighborhood walked by and

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, you're staying there and I was like yeah,

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, you don't go into that one

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>room upstairs, right, And I'm like, uh no, which room,

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And then I like and then I stay in the

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 2>cabin by myself, just me and Rentrow because my friend leaves,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm, you know, there for a week or whatever,

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 2>me and my dog in this cabin in the woods.

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 2>And it's like mostly fine, but I kind of a

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>little bit like I don't watch horror movies that week,

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of like don't really leave the bedroom

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night, you know.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>And then one night I'm like up anyway, and so

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the main part of the cabin and Rentrow

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>just goes over to this rocking chair in one of

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>these rooms and just starts fucking alerting hardcore at this

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.920
<v Speaker 2>empty rocking chair in the middle of the night in

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the supposedly haunted cabin. And I'm like, that's cool, everything's fine.

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite Rentrot story. And then I died and

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>now I'm a ghost.

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of my favorite things about Rentrot was the

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>time that I took here again smoothies and Rentro does

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 1>not like cars, no, but he only seemed to it,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's and I don't know, there's probably some scientists,

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>but he only barked at the gas cars he didn't

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>bark at the electric or hybrid cars, and I'm like, wow,

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>we're dressed so woke.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, it so funny. Yeah, I'm like,

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that like when the engine isn't running, it's

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, it's a big silent thing. It must

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>be like about the noises.

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Definitely. Yeah, Rench I was also a delightful dog to

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>hike with.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's a great hiker.

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What are some things that give you hope when

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 1>things seem heavy or too hard? I think I think

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll end on that one.

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll use a story and I don't think I've

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>told on this podcast before, but I'm sure I use

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>this story. Sometimes. There was a hurricane in eastern North

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Carolina and it flooded just huge chunks of eastern North Carolina.

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 2>And one of my best friends was there doing flood relief,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>and you know, and the only way you could get

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>into this storm affected area was in small plains, right,

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>and small plains are like the dangerous planes. But the

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 2>kind of people who own small planes tend to be

0:33:55.200 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>like libertarian guys, right like, And so you know, this

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>anarchist friend of mine who's a you know, filthy crustpunk

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.720
<v Speaker 2>who you know has a beard down to their navel

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, you know, and like is flying in this

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:18.480
<v Speaker 2>tiny plane with this random libertarian guy into a storm,

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I'm like, people come together in crisis.

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.240
<v Speaker 2>And when you give people the opportunity to become helpers,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you give people the opportunity to become helpers

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that they are uniquely suited to be helpful,

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<v Speaker 2>people rise to that. That's what gives me hope. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a lot of like not hope going around,

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<v Speaker 2>including in my own head. But yeah, that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>hold on to.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, I think just seeing seeing how people

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<v Speaker 1>have evolved and have seeing so many different people that

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<v Speaker 1>are listening.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of people that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are listening these days and are not just staying in

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<v Speaker 1>there and staying in their old old ways of thinking

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<v Speaker 1>and are adapting and are really moving with the movements.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's really fucking cool. And I've seen that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even with like you know, senior family members and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, and just people just paying a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more attention to what's misinformation and disinformation and

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<v Speaker 1>really learning to do their own research and talk and

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<v Speaker 1>not just talk at you, but listen. I think listening

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<v Speaker 1>gives me hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. Well, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's our message of hope. From acting as if I'm sarcastic,

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<v Speaker 2>I really earnestly believe in being optimistic, at least strategically.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, me too, so and we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you next week with a more regular episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh, do you have anything you want to plug?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole new year. I don't have a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of projects. I have a book coming out at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year. I'm going to tell you so

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<v Speaker 2>much more about that over the course of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really excited too. It's my longest novel and

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<v Speaker 2>it's the first book of a trilogy, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>excited about that.

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<v Speaker 1>My colleague and friend, James Stout has been doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of really amazing work, and I would just like

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<v Speaker 1>to plug that. You know, the CPD is detaining thousands

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<v Speaker 1>upon thousands of migrants, which includes both elderly folks and children,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's cold, and they're in the desert where there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of shelter, and they're desperately in need

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<v Speaker 1>of food and water and other resources as temperatures get

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<v Speaker 1>very cold, and I just wanted to plug a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of the mutual aid groups help bring them. The first

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm going to give you is tiny rail slash

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<v Speaker 1>order aid GFM. That's b O R D E R

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<v Speaker 1>AI d G F M or GoFundMe dot com, slash

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<v Speaker 1>S And that's that's all over several of our different shows.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can also include in the link for this

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<v Speaker 1>episode description. But yeah, check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't even have to fly into a hurricane

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<v Speaker 2>in order to help those people. You can just give

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<v Speaker 2>money to the people who desperately need your money. And

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<v Speaker 2>like most of the time, throwing money at problems isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the solution. Right now, there are people who are ready

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<v Speaker 2>to use your money very directly to help people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's all I got, all right, see y'all soon.

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