1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to cool People answer your questions instead 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: of doing other cool stuff podcasts. That's normally called cool 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: people the cool stuff, but today is called cool people 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: who answer questions instead of doing other cool stuff. I'm 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: your host, Margaret Giljoy, and with me today answering questions 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: is Sophie. It's Sophie. 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: You look so cool right now. Margaret's standing while she's recording, 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: and so she just looks really cool. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: That's because I'm like really fit. You know, you're so fit, 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: so fit. 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like slouched. I have like a weiring, 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: like all black, and I'm like definitely slouched over looking 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: very very uncool. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: I have a rule where I can stand for a 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: like one episode recording, but I cannot stand for a 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: two episodes recording. 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: That's it's actually, yeah, I respect that. I think it's 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: I think it's I think that would social violation. Yeah, yeah, 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I feel like legally correct. 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: So oh, I forgot to introduce everyone else. Our audio 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: engineer is, of course Ian. No, what nope? 23 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: What? Nope? 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: Where do Ian go? 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Ian still here? Oh? 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 2: Okay, good, Ian's still here. 27 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Ian and Daniel did like a like a Freaky Friday, 28 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: except a face off like a face off, and have 29 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: swapped editing duties and so now the editor of this 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: podcast is one DJ Danel. Hi Danel, Hi, Danel, everybody Danel. 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're this is the first time, so everyone, 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: if you're listening, you have to say Hi Danel. Our 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: theme music was still written by on woman, right, that. 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Has not changed. That will never change because that song 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: is a banger, right. 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: Unless there's a DJ Daniel remix of the song. 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I would listen to that. Daniel's so talented. 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I really like the music that everyone produces 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: for cool Zone. So this is you all have probably 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: figured out because it's Wednesday and not Monday, that this 41 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: is not a regular episode. That's why the title has 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: changed because this is a Q and A thing that 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: we do once a year at the beginning of the 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 2: year until the heat death of the universe. So that's 45 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: where we asked your questions on social media and it 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: was annoying not beg y'all's questions were fine, but we 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: had to go on to social media to do it. 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 2: That I like to pretend like I've quit Twitter and 49 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: it is demonstrably false. Yeah. 50 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say every time 51 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: you say it, and then and then I see you 52 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: on there, I'm like, I know there she is the 53 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: big liah layah liah puns on faja. 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, aspirationally and aspirationally quit Twitter user me. But yeah, 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: we have questions, then we're going to answer them. 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: And you know what we noticed was that the is 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: very representative of how much of a terrible place Twitter is. 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: The questions on Instagram are just better. 59 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some good ones on Twitter. If you asked 60 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: a question on Twitter, it's not inherently bad, no, but 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: overall overall the quality. 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's let's get started, all right. I am 63 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: going to be asking the questions because that is my 64 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: role today. Magpie, you talk a lot about the value 65 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: of community. Do you have any advice for people who 66 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: don't feel like they belong anywhere or who really struggle 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: to find the community and be accepted. 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So I sort of love this question great because 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: it's a really important question. And also I do I 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: talk a lot about community. I talk a lot both 71 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: in the History podcast and so do a preparedness podcast 72 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: called Live Like the World. Is dying where I talk 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: about community preparedness. I am an introvert. I am a 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: pretty hard introvert. On the average day, I see zero humans. 75 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: I live in the woods. My best friend is a 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: dog who's forty five pounds. I can do squats with 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: him at about eight. He gets really annoyed. 78 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Again just bragging about how unbelievably fit you are. 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. It's totally not that I can't 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: do more squats, is that my dog gets upset. So 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: I think about this question a lot, right, because community 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: does matter, But like people tend to think of community 83 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: as like the realm of the extroverts, and the realm 84 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 2: of the extroverts is a scary place where people expect 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: you to dance in front of people. But that's not 86 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: the only way to have community, and it's hard because 87 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: there is some degree of putting yourself out there that's necessary. 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I would say that primarily when people are struggling to 89 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: find ways to connect, I would say overall, prioritize connecting 90 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: with people in real life rather than connecting with people 91 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: just over the internet and especially over social media. I 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: think that face to face interactions have like a sort 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 2: of built in accountability. Like the kind of shit people 94 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: say to you on the internet is a lot meaner 95 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: than what people usually say to you in person. Like 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: obviously people say mean things in person, right, but like 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: no one's like you know, people have a little bit 98 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: of a like like when you're within punching distance, like 99 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: people act a little bit more politely, right, go places 100 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: for common interests. And I think that activism is actually 101 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: a really good way to do this. And one of 102 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: the ways to get involved in activism is to think 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: about the specific problems that you are excited about addressing 104 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: that feel like the most pressing to you. Whether it 105 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 2: is the current movement that is really really big, like 106 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: I mean while we're listening to it, right, like Palestinian 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: libration movement and solidarity movement is a very big thing, right, 108 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: but also figuring out specifically, like what strength you bring 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: to that kind of thing, Right, If you're an artist, 110 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: you might be bringing like, hey, I'll draw flyers, right, 111 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: or I'll take notes at meetings, or I'll volunteer in 112 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: the kitchen. You know, if you like go to a 113 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: party and everything sucks and you don't know how to 114 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: interact with anyone, you just like go find the snacks 115 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: and you hang up by the snacks when you talk 116 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: to the other introvert who's hanging out by the snacks. 117 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Or you find the one dog at the party. 118 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's the best, that's the best. 119 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 120 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the other person who only wants 121 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: to hang out with the dog, you can end up 122 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: having a conversation with yeah, or you just hang out 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: with a dog, and then it's like all win win, Yes. 124 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: And you can do this by volunteering at like gatherings. 125 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: Right if you show up and you're like, how can 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: I help, and then you're like, oh, we totally need 127 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: someone to pour coffee, right, and then you're like great, 128 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: I have a purpose. And for us introverts it is 129 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: really useful to have a purpose in social gatherings. I 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: really like tabling. I actually really like presenting as part 131 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: of my introversion. I'm a weird, outgoing introvert. 132 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: But like, you're an ambi avert, Yeah, I'm like a 133 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm an ambiavert. 134 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah no, that makes sense to me actually, And so 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: if I have a purpose, I'm good and I really 136 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: recommend it. You do have to go out and meet people. Yeah, 137 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: in order to have community, but you don't have to 138 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: like go out all the time and meet people. You 139 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: can go to like three parties and then be done, 140 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: or like go to a couple activist meetings, figure out 141 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: how you plug in, and then kind of sit back 142 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: a little bit and like and if you're an extrovert, 143 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: your job is to make sure that all the introverts 144 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: are still wrangled and still like connected, and like reach 145 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: out to them every now and then be like, hey, 146 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: like we're putting together. I'm using this artist as an example, 147 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: but like, hey, we need a new flyer, Like are 148 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: you available? Can you do this? 149 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: Thing? You know? 150 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: And any other thing that I talk about a lot 151 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: is just like literally know your actual physical neighbors if 152 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: you can. This is going to be very different in 153 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: vary different places. I'm not saying become friends with your neighbors, 154 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: but like know who they are and like figure out 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: how much you can trust them and stuff, because sometimes 156 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: community is literally just who's around you. And I actually 157 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: think introverts have another advantage in this, where like I'm 158 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: not super caught up on who's mad at who or what, 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: who's dating whom, and blah blah blah and I don't 160 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: give a shit, you know, because I don't care. So 161 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: that's great. So then I can still sort of be 162 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: friends with ever. I mean obviously, like when one person's 163 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: like a horrible piece shit, it's worth knowing about. 164 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, can I add one thought to it? Yeah, 165 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: And it's something that I say all the time to people, 166 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: But like, support your friends and their weird hobbies. I 167 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: think supporting your friends and their weird hobbies, they will 168 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: support you in your weird hobbies and then organically community 169 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: will happen. 170 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 171 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: And if you're like, hey, I like this weird thing, 172 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: are people gonna think I'm weird? No, because there's other 173 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: weird people who like that weird thing and it's normal 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: and it's cool and that's good, and then you have 175 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: your community. 176 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. And if people don't think that the weird thing 177 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: you're into is cool, if they're just not into it, 178 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: that's fine. But if they think it sucks, then like, 179 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 2: we'll fuck them. 180 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: We'll fuck them. 181 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: That's the other thing that you definitely will learn is 183 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: like we'll fuck them is totally okay. 184 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, other people aren't better than you. Whoever you're listening 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 2: to other people aren't better than you. Well, there's some people. 186 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: I guess Hitler is dead, but like you know, everyone's 187 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 2: better than Elon Musk. If you ever like think to 188 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: yourself like, oh I suck, just be like you're not 189 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: Elon Musk. You're doing better in somebody, you know, in 190 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: terms of being a person. 191 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you ready for the next one? 192 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm born ready. 193 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're. 194 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Just so fit. 195 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: It's it's my favorite thing is how it's doing squats magpie. 196 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: Are there cases where you started researching and had to 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: drop them as a subject because you learned bad things 198 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: about them? 199 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So I've had moments where I would have, but 200 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: I work on a really tight deadline, and so what 201 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: I usually end up doing is like if the if 202 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: the core character is actually kind of a piece of garbage, 203 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: I shift the story to be around the larger social movement. 204 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: And I try to do that anyway on the show, 205 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: like every now and it's about individuals, but usually it's 206 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: about larger social movements where I focus on individuals, and 207 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: then like what happens instead is that there's people I 208 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: try to avoid, Like I not want to talk about 209 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: Margaret Sanger, right, who's the founder of planned parenthood is 210 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: eugenicist who used to be an anarchist, who is more 211 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: complicated than anyone wants to get into. I don't want 212 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: to get into it. I don't even want to get 213 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: into it right now. But I was like doing something 214 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: on early birth control advocates and I'm like, you know, 215 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: time to talk about how messy that is because all 216 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: these motherfuckers are into eugenics, you know, so I just 217 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: do messy shit. I don't know, Yeah, figure it out. 218 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: What has been the most pleasant surprise you've encountered in 219 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: researching and presenting any topic on the show. 220 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't know if I can come up 221 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: with an example off the top of my head. But 222 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: I really like when historical men turn out to like 223 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: be wife guys. 224 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: It's my favorite fun. It's so fun because you know, 225 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: in reality, the only wife guys that exist are James 226 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Stout and Daniel Goodman. In my life, yeah, I love Danel, 227 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: but it's really fun when they show up in history 228 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, man could be our guys one day. 229 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Just people who just like genuinely are just 230 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: like really into supporting the women. If you're like a 231 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: straight guy, and you're really into supporting the women who 232 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: are close to you in your life. Yeah, that's fucking great. 233 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: And I wish that wasn't the exception, and I'm proud 234 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: of everyone who's working to make it not the exception. 235 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: But that's what I get excited about when men meet 236 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: a minimum bar that I didn't expect them to. 237 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: I think there's another thing that, like, when you figure 238 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: out that you have like a connection, like one person 239 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: removed to somebody in a story, you get really excited. 240 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: Oh that's true too, you get really excited. 241 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask the frog question because I've I've been 242 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: holding out on the frog question. Somebody asked, somebody asked 243 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: on Twitter if we had a favorite frogs. And we're 244 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: gonna go to a quick break after this, but I 245 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: think that we should answer the frog question first, Margaret. 246 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: I think we know you should go first. Okay, you 247 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: have a stronger answer. 248 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: I have a stronger answer, And I'm very excited about this. 249 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: I am now a frog boy mom, which is something 250 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: that I'm very excited about. My mom got me a 251 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: gift of two African dwarf frogs and they're awesome and 252 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: they jumpy and they're in their little tank that's like 253 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: got rainbow rocks, so they're already just being prideful, which 254 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: is nice. We're raising them right from the start and 255 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: they're adorable. 256 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: And Alex Jones gay frogs. They're just starting out. It's 257 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 2: not the water turning. I'm gay. The funniest thing you've 258 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: ever said to me. 259 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna think that every time I look at them. 260 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. But they're amazing and I've met 261 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: them and uh and my mom won't let me take 262 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: them back home to my house until after Christmas, which 263 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: is such a mom thing. But I visited them and 264 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I've properly named them. And there's one that's like small 265 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: with like a little head, and his name is Stanley Tucci. 266 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: And then there's one that's long and skinny and lengthy 267 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: and his name is Kareem Abdul Jabbar or the Captain. 268 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and I love them. And African doarf frogs 269 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: are now my favorite frogs. So if you know anything 270 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: about African doarf frogs, please message me. I would like 271 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: to know. 272 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Margaret, Okay, my favorite frogs currently are the 273 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: concrete frogs that I'm going to give my father for Christmas, 274 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 2: and this episode comes out after Christmas, so I can 275 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: say it. Yeah, and I'm getting them from the Cursed 276 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: Concrete Animal Store. 277 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: They're a curse concrete And it's in one of those 278 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: stores that sells like the giant like like statues of 279 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: like animals. Is it one of those. 280 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, like like you go up and there's like a 281 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: concrete sasquatch next to a concrete kneeling soldier in front 282 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: of a cross next to Yes, Oh. 283 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. 284 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time I ever went there, I bought 285 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: a raccoon. I like, don't believe the story I'm about 286 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: to tell, not that it didn't happen, but the like 287 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: supernatural part of it is just like it focks in 288 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: my head. But okay, So I bought this raccoon, this 289 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: like squat raccoon statue as soon as they moved into 290 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: my house, and I was like, and I would put 291 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: it in my truck. And I was driving home and 292 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: backcountry roads where I live, and I had never hit 293 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: and killed an animal in my vehicle in my life. 294 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: And for the like five miles that I had this 295 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: raccoon statue in my truck, I hit and killed a raccoon. 296 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: Oh and then I, you know, I took it out 297 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: to the woods and stuff, and I kind of think 298 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: it's spirit is now in the fucking curse statue that 299 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: protects my house. And if I had known, I wouldn't 300 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: have done it. 301 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: This answer got weirder and weirder. 302 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done it. Raccoon. 303 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: Somebody just wanted to know where your favorite frog was, 304 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: And now we got raccoon spirits in a statue. And 305 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: if that's not Margaret fucking killed Joy, I don't know 306 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: what it is. 307 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: And if you want a curse statue, buy them from 308 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: the Monkey Pole Store, which is our primary sponsor these days. 309 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: Ah is it? Yeah? I think so, isn't the Monkey 310 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: Pas Store. Well, every goods and services is like a weird, 311 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: horrible exchange. You know, there's a tear rible price, like 312 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: if you want a good or service, you have to 313 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: work a job. It's a terrible price. 314 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: The curve is the it's the curse. And because a 315 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: lot of people ask this when we did the it 316 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: could happen here, Q and A and I saw a 317 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: couple of people ask it. For the cool people, Q 318 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: and A, I am desperately trying to get the Android 319 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: ad free version up and running. It is not something 320 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: that I can just click and say yes, like we've 321 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: said yes on our end. We're just waiting on corporate 322 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: bureaucracy to figure itself out. But I'm hoping to have 323 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: it soon because I I yeah, I mean I would 324 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: love that. 325 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not brand loyalty on our part. 326 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: It's for sure not brand loyalty on our part. And 327 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: one of the main things that I wanted to do 328 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: with this Android version is also make it so that 329 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's something that can be used on any 330 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: any app you use already, and it's not something where 331 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: you're just doing it on one thing. So hopefully that 332 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: is coming very very soon, and we have good news 333 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: for you on that. Yeah, in twenty twenty four. 334 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: Early in the meantime, there's that press fifteen seconds button 335 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: waiting for you. 336 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: Now and Wheat. 337 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: Are back whoo. 338 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: And somebody ask us to listen their top five fruits 339 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: and vegetables and like that's a lot, So maybe give 340 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: me your favorite fruit and your favorite vegetable, and I'll 341 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: give you my favorite fruit and favorite vegetable. 342 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna come out confrontational green peppers my favorite vegetable. Okay, 343 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: why is that called green bell peppers? As soon as 344 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: I said I like green bell peppers, Twitter got mad 345 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: at me. Oh, in kind of I like classic, why 346 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: do you hate waffles? Kind of way. 347 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, shut the fuck up. 348 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: I love green bell peppers. They're they're the most when 349 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I need the taste of a vegetable. 350 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: Nothing is vegetable like a green bell pepper. And my 351 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: favorite fruit, I'm currently drying a bunch of apples, Like apples. 352 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: Apples are great, so I've been really into dehydrating apples. 353 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: I think for me, I have ties in both categories, 354 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: So you're gonna get four because I simply cannot pick. 355 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: And my top vegetables I think it's a tie between 356 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: asparagus and Brussels sprouts. 357 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: Oh those are good. 358 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. My brother has a really awesome roasted Brussels sprouts 359 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: recipe where you know, you just roast the Brussels sprouts 360 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: for about twenty five minutes, flip once, and it's just 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: all oil on a little bit of sea salt, and 362 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: then you mix them up with some red wine vinegar, 363 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of alsamic a, little bit of olive oil, 364 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of garlic, and some dijon. Lightly mix 365 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: it up and it is perfection. 366 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: Okay, see, I almost want to change my answer because 367 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 2: what I said didn't make me hungry, but what you 368 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: just said made me hungry. 369 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: So fair enough, fair enough. And then my top two 370 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: fruits are definitely as you just said, the apple because wow, 371 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: I specifically really like cosmic crisp apples. And then blackberries, 372 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh what an awesome fruit. And they're 373 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: so easy to grow. I mean, they'll take over your 374 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: entire fuck they took over all of Oregon. But blackberries 375 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: are fucking delicious. 376 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 377 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: I saw a variety of this question several different times. 378 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: And this person also also I loved the Muhammad Ali episodes. 379 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: Thank you cool? 380 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: Those were great episodes. Was that the one that Ian 381 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: suggested us? 382 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: That was a request from me? 383 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, shout out Ian. Who is your hero? 384 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: It's a hard question. 385 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: I would say probably Eric Omela Testa, who I have 386 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: not covered on this show, but he shows up all 387 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: the time. He's this Italian anarchist who once smuggled himself 388 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: in a crate full of sewing machines to get to 389 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: Brazil in order to write the how to Organize a 390 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: Union by Acres that's like one of them. And then 391 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: the one that's like more direct and more impactful in 392 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 2: my life is our Sloliquin. Mm hmm. 393 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: Somebody asked you your favorite book of a Versuilas also. 394 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, fuck, I mean, I've read The Dispossessed the most, 395 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: but I think that probably a book of her short 396 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: stories called Urcinian Tales. I have like a real love 397 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: for her short fiction, and it like stays in my 398 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: mind really well, and she just probably has more influence 399 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: on me artistically than anyone else. 400 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: What about you, I don't really want to answer this 401 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: one because I don't think you have like one person 402 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: that I'm like, this is my personal hero that I 403 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: want that I could pick. 404 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: I also think that. 405 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, humans maybe aren't meant to be heroes. 406 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 2: Totally part of the reason I haven't done a Malla 407 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: test episode yet. What if he sucked? I don't know. 408 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 2: No one ever talks about his family. You know, you 409 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: know it's that. 410 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. There's a great question 411 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: from somebody that said, out of all the people you've 412 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: talked about. Who do you think your dog would have 413 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: loved to meet? 414 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: Everyone who is reasonably short? It's so real. He loves 415 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: all of them and the only way to get away 416 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 2: with being a large person with My dog has been 417 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: really into dogs. Yeah, so whoever likes dogs the most? 418 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: My dog just loves dog people and gets so confused 419 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: by anyone who isn't as excited as he is. 420 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, I think that Anderson would have liked 421 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: to have met the riot dog El Negro Matapacos. 422 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: Oh fuck, no, you're totally right. I need to think 423 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: of the dogs. 424 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that the all black dog with the 425 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: red bandana. Anderson's a been Dana girl herself. Yeah, I 426 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: think they would have had fun patrolling the Hue Romans. 427 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 428 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: Oh, this is a great question. How do you explain 429 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: anarchism to people who are skeptical about it? 430 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: Okay, that's both a great question and also like one 431 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: of the weird hardest questions. It really kind of depends 432 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 2: on where someone's coming out about it. A lot of 433 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: it for me is that I'm like, well, what if 434 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: we took the best parts of both caring for the 435 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: individual and caring for the community. And put them together. 436 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: And what if the main argument that people had in 437 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: the twentieth century between like capitalism and communism, the individual 438 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: versus the community, Like what if they're both right and 439 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: they're both wrong. And one of the main things I 440 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: start with is that anarchism isn't what you got told 441 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: it is. You know, it's an existing social movement and 442 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: concept that's been around one hundred and fifty years that 443 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: has practitioners of all different types and ideas. And yeah, 444 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's so funny because it's like such 445 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: a you're like, it's the ideology. That's not an ideology, 446 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: it's the you know. Oh god, that was my broadcaster voice. 447 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: I heard the advertiser voice. Yeah, I don't know, you know, 448 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: because I try not to like convince people to go 449 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 2: become anarchists or whatever, right, I just like want people 450 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: to like learn that it's not what they got told 451 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 2: it is. 452 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: It's a great answer. How do you feel about co ops? 453 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: I love co ops? Is there like a context? 454 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: Is it just like the person said, tell us how 455 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: you feel about co ops? 456 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 2: I very recently worked for a nonprofit that helps finance 457 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: worker cooperatives, and the way I feel about like grocery 458 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: store co ops is like more complicated. If you want 459 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: to hear my hearing thoughts about that, you can listen 460 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 2: to our episode that we did with author ren Or 461 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: Eye where they explained food cooperatives and their complicated history. 462 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: I think it's a very useful way to engage as 463 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: anti capitalists in a market economy and subvert a lot 464 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: of expectations around it. And also a lot of the 465 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: work that's been done by cooperatives comes from racialized people 466 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: and especially black communities in the United States, And there's 467 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: like all kinds of work that people have been doing 468 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: around like how to stop economic extras action from impoverished areas. 469 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 2: And I think we have a lot to learn. Nothing 470 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: has taught me more about how capitalism works than working 471 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: for a place that finances work or cooperatives in a 472 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: good way. 473 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite person you've covered this year? 474 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: I love all my children equally. When people ask me this, 475 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: it's like when people like ask me what my favorite 476 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: book is, my first thought is, I've never read a book. 477 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: What is a book you know? Or like, who's your 478 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 2: favorite band? I'm like, I've never heard of music. I 479 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know what I've done. As soon 480 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: as someone asks. 481 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: Me that, I completely agree. Do you have a favorite bird? 482 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: I love all these animal questions. These are great. 483 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: Probably maglizes. 484 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Fair enough. 485 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 2: I picked them as my name. You know, yeah, what 486 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: about you? What's your favorite bird? I just like birds. 487 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: I I definitely have a bird feeder in my yard 488 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: and what I like when they come and eat the food. 489 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of hummingbirds over by my desk 490 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: lately and that's been nice to look at. But I 491 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: like all birds. My brother is like terrified of birds, 492 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: which you know makes me happy. 493 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a bird feeder right outside my office window, 494 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: and yeah, I know I see it. Well that's the 495 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 2: that's the hummingbird feeder and there's no humming. It was 496 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: a terrible plan. But on the other window you can't 497 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 2: see it from here, there's a bird feeder that it 498 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 2: took the birds like a month of fine as as 499 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: they found it. Now they're like constantly there and it's 500 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: all these tufted tit mouses and I'm super excited about it. 501 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: I had to ask my friend whenever on this show 502 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 2: I like secretly talk about like I had to ask 503 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: my friend this thing. It's always the same friend. So 504 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: if you're listening, hi, thanks for telling me. It was 505 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: a tough to tiss tit mouse. 506 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to take another quick break, but we shall, 507 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: we shall be back. 508 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: It would take a break for what. 509 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: For for capitalism or for pressing the fifteen second skip button, 510 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: or for those who have the cooler Cooler Zone media 511 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: subscription on an Apple for literally nothing, and we're back. 512 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: Come, We're back. 513 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: That was really fun. I think I saw this a 514 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 1: couple of times. But what is your research in planning 515 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: and writing process, like for an episode? And I also 516 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: saw it for when you're ready to write like a 517 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: short story. 518 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's fiction and fiction short story. Yeah. So 519 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: with an episode, I somewhere around the end of the 520 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: week shortly after recording the last episode, or I plan 521 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,479 Speaker 2: them out ahead of time. Sometimes I plan them out 522 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: way ahead of time. I kind of match them a 523 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: little bit to the guest. I don't tell the guests 524 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: what it's about, but I try to find something that 525 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: the guest doesn't know as much as me about, or 526 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: doesn't know as much as I'm about to learn about, 527 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: but has a general interest in, or like a broader 528 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: context of understanding, like a you know, whether shared identity 529 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: or whether like knows some people who are involved in 530 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: similar struggles or whatever thing, And so I pick a subject. Honestly, 531 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: these days, I mostly go to my bookshelf and I 532 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: find because I just I just buy fuck tons of 533 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: history books, and I go to my bookshelf and I 534 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: kind of have like a running list of things that 535 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm excited about, and then I'll usually take a book 536 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: or two as kind of my first and primary source. 537 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: But then I'm really interested in filling in lots of 538 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: context and stuff like that, and so often, I mean, frankly, 539 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: one of the things I do for research is I'll 540 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: start on Wikipedia, but I don't end there. I look 541 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: into the sources that inspire the Wikipedia, and then I 542 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: also end up looking at but a lot of academic articles, 543 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: and I just kind of like slowly piece it together. 544 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: I ease take about the first day of work just 545 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: to hear how people usually tell the story, and then 546 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: think about how I want to tell the story and 547 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: get all the pieces, and then I start filling it in, 548 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: and I also take notes as I write, and then 549 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: by the third or fourth day, I'm usually mostly writing 550 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: and going back and putting all the pieces together, and 551 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 2: I don't know that's how I do it. I have 552 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: no academic training or background, so it's been an interesting 553 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: I have a lot of writing background, and I have 554 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: a lot of research background and even background history, but 555 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: I don't have a background specifically in the formal way 556 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: of like collecting all the sources and researching and stuff, 557 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 2: you know, And so I've been like hitting up friends 558 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: who do have more of that experience short stories I 559 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 2: do have more formal education with, and I've kind of 560 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: exploding head diagramed, gone back and forth between whether or 561 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 2: not I outline extensively or not. I started off like 562 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: never outlining. I'm like, I'm just writing a story, and 563 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: then like, why do all my stories fail? And someone 564 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: was like, that's because you don't outline them. You don't 565 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, you know. And so then 566 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: I started writing more from outlines, and I use a 567 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: lot of specific not formulas, but like structures for stories. 568 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 2: My favorite one is the try fail sequence. And then 569 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: I write a story and then I let it change 570 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 2: the outline as I go, as I learn more about 571 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 2: the characters, and then honestly these days, I think I'm 572 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: a practiced enough writer, but sometimes I'm back to just 573 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 2: being like, I got an idea, I got like a 574 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: character and what's wrong and where they are, and then 575 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 2: I just write it and then I do a second draft. 576 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: I don't follow a lot of what Heinland Robert Heinland 577 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: had to say, but I follow Hinland's rules of writing, 578 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: and any aspiring fiction writer I highly or even artist 579 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 2: in general, I highly recommend looking at Hineland's rules of writing, 580 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: which is very much about like starting things, finishing things, 581 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: and not getting caught up revising the shit out of everything. 582 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: And I actually think that that's helped me a lot. 583 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: To tie it back into the podcast with the fact 584 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: that I do a weekly podcast is that I cannot 585 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: really sit around with revisions over and over again. I 586 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: just have to learn to get things right the first time. 587 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: And except that sometimes I won't get things right, I 588 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: mean I've always right. You know what you're talking about. 589 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Do you have a dream guest for this podcast? 590 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: Depends on how good of a Ouiji board I confind. 591 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: I was gonna say the Ghost of Emma Goldman. 592 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, that's the reverse episode I want. 593 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: I immediately want ghost. 594 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 2: Also, yeah, I've had most of my dream guests on 595 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: this show. Yea for me, Like, I mean sometimes you 596 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: can kind of tell, like I'm a big Mountain Goats fan. 597 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 2: So having John Darnell on and talking about the Levelers 598 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: and the Ranters in the English Civil War and then 599 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: arguing about theology and politics with John Darnell was like 600 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: really nice for me, you know. But no, I mean, 601 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: my dream guests are the ones that are easy to 602 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: work with than smart and funny, and like, I'm not 603 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: worried that they're going to be like scared off by 604 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 2: the radical politics of the show. But I also don't 605 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: think that they're going to be so purely invested in 606 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: radical culture that the average listener has no fucking clue 607 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: what we're talking about, you know, Like the perfect guest 608 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: bridges the history from my script to the reader. 609 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: Great answer. 610 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks. 611 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: How did we meet? 612 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: How did we meet through Robert Evans? 613 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? Through Robert Evans, I believe. 614 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess probably the first time I met 615 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: you as guesting on well, we probably talked by email first, 616 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: but when I guessed it on Behind the Bastards for 617 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: the first time several years ago. 618 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: Uh, huh. I think that's right. 619 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in person, just in whatever mysterious place 620 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: we live that happened to be the same at the 621 00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: same time. 622 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Yep. Do you have a favorite Rintross story from this year? 623 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: Hmm. It's funny because, like Rintrow, like I think about 624 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: how like when I was younger, I had all these 625 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 2: stories because all this crazy shit kept happening to me, right, 626 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: and like bad stuff happened all the time. I live 627 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: a very low key life, so most of my Rentrot 628 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 2: stories are like you wouldn't believe the nerve a truck 629 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: drove by today, or like you know when rintroll. Okay, 630 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: here's my favorite Rentrost story from this year. I was 631 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: staying at my friend's cabin and my friend in in 632 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: on the West Coast, and my friend was like, oh, 633 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: the cabin's haunted, just as a heads up, and again 634 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: I kind of don't believe a lot of this stuff. 635 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 2: And then as I'm like hanging out outside this like 636 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: other person from like the cabin neighborhood walked by and 637 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: was like, oh, you're staying there and I was like yeah, 638 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: and he was like, you don't go into that one 639 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: room upstairs, right, And I'm like, uh no, which room, 640 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: And then I like and then I stay in the 641 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: cabin by myself, just me and Rentrow because my friend leaves, 642 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: and I'm, you know, there for a week or whatever, 643 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: me and my dog in this cabin in the woods. 644 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: And it's like mostly fine, but I kind of a 645 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: little bit like I don't watch horror movies that week, 646 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: and I kind of like don't really leave the bedroom 647 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, you know. 648 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 649 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 2: And then one night I'm like up anyway, and so 650 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm in the main part of the cabin and Rentrow 651 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: just goes over to this rocking chair in one of 652 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: these rooms and just starts fucking alerting hardcore at this 653 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: empty rocking chair in the middle of the night in 654 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: the supposedly haunted cabin. And I'm like, that's cool, everything's fine. 655 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 2: That's my favorite Rentrot story. And then I died and 656 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: now I'm a ghost. 657 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. One of my favorite things about Rentrot was the 658 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: time that I took here again smoothies and Rentro does 659 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: not like cars, no, but he only seemed to it, 660 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: and it's and I don't know, there's probably some scientists, 661 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: but he only barked at the gas cars he didn't 662 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: bark at the electric or hybrid cars, and I'm like, wow, 663 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: we're dressed so woke. 664 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: I know, I know, it so funny. Yeah, I'm like, 665 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 2: I think that like when the engine isn't running, it's 666 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: just like, oh, it's a big silent thing. It must 667 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: be like about the noises. 668 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: Definitely. Yeah, Rench I was also a delightful dog to 669 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: hike with. 670 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 2: Yes, he's a great hiker. 671 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. What are some things that give you hope when 672 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: things seem heavy or too hard? I think I think 673 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: we'll end on that one. 674 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll use a story and I don't think I've 675 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 2: told on this podcast before, but I'm sure I use 676 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: this story. Sometimes. There was a hurricane in eastern North 677 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: Carolina and it flooded just huge chunks of eastern North Carolina. 678 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: And one of my best friends was there doing flood relief, 679 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 2: and you know, and the only way you could get 680 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: into this storm affected area was in small plains, right, 681 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: and small plains are like the dangerous planes. But the 682 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: kind of people who own small planes tend to be 683 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: like libertarian guys, right like, And so you know, this 684 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: anarchist friend of mine who's a you know, filthy crustpunk 685 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 2: who you know has a beard down to their navel 686 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, and like is flying in this 687 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: tiny plane with this random libertarian guy into a storm, 688 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: you know. And I'm like, people come together in crisis. 689 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 2: And when you give people the opportunity to become helpers, 690 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: and when you give people the opportunity to become helpers 691 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: in ways that they are uniquely suited to be helpful, 692 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: people rise to that. That's what gives me hope. There's 693 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: a there's a lot of like not hope going around, 694 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 2: including in my own head. But yeah, that's what I 695 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: hold on to. 696 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: What about you, I think just seeing seeing how people 697 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: have evolved and have seeing so many different people that 698 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: are listening. 699 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that. 700 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: Are listening these days and are not just staying in 701 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: there and staying in their old old ways of thinking 702 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: and are adapting and are really moving with the movements. 703 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: And that's really fucking cool. And I've seen that, you know, 704 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: even with like you know, senior family members and you 705 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and just people just paying a 706 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: little bit more attention to what's misinformation and disinformation and 707 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: really learning to do their own research and talk and 708 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 1: not just talk at you, but listen. I think listening 709 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: gives me hope. 710 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. Well, well, yeah, 711 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: that's our message of hope. From acting as if I'm sarcastic, 712 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: I really earnestly believe in being optimistic, at least strategically. 713 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, me too, so and we will talk 714 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: to you next week with a more regular episode. 715 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, do you have anything you want to plug? 716 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 2: It's a whole new year. I don't have a bunch 717 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: of projects. I have a book coming out at the 718 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 2: end of the year. I'm going to tell you so 719 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 2: much more about that over the course of the year. 720 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: And I'm really excited too. It's my longest novel and 721 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 2: it's the first book of a trilogy, and I'm really 722 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: excited about that. 723 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: My colleague and friend, James Stout has been doing a 724 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: lot of really amazing work, and I would just like 725 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: to plug that. You know, the CPD is detaining thousands 726 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 1: upon thousands of migrants, which includes both elderly folks and children, 727 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: and it's cold, and they're in the desert where there's 728 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: not a lot of shelter, and they're desperately in need 729 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: of food and water and other resources as temperatures get 730 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: very cold, and I just wanted to plug a couple 731 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: of the mutual aid groups help bring them. The first 732 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: thing I'm going to give you is tiny rail slash 733 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: order aid GFM. That's b O R D E R 734 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: AI d G F M or GoFundMe dot com, slash 735 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: j A c U M b A dash M I 736 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: g r A n T dash c A m p 737 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: S And that's that's all over several of our different shows. 738 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: And I can also include in the link for this 739 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: episode description. But yeah, check that out. 740 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 2: And you don't even have to fly into a hurricane 741 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 2: in order to help those people. You can just give 742 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 2: money to the people who desperately need your money. And 743 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: like most of the time, throwing money at problems isn't 744 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 2: the solution. Right now, there are people who are ready 745 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 2: to use your money very directly to help people. 746 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got, all right, see y'all soon. 747 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production Cool 748 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: Zone Media. Or more podcasts and Cool Zone Media, visit 749 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: our website Folezonemedia dot com, or check us out on 750 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, app a podcasts or wherever you get 751 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: your podcasts,