WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Start Me Up

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<v Speaker 1>I get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth podcast. The Stubby Up. Addition, as we

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at the first several days of training

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<v Speaker 1>camp coming up, I'll talk to my broadcast partner Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Lapham about a topsy turvy first week of practice under

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<v Speaker 1>new head code Zach Taylor. We'll discuss AJ Green's injury

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<v Speaker 1>and what it means to the Bengals offense, take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at a few players who have stood out in

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<v Speaker 1>the early going, and discuss coach Taylor's approach to trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the team as fresh and as healthy as

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<v Speaker 1>possible leading up to the regular season opener in Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this week's fun Facts conversation, you'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>know one of the best special teams coaches in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Simmons. We'll discuss a wide variety of topics, including

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<v Speaker 1>his playing career as a college quarterback and punter, his

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<v Speaker 1>favorite special teams play in sixteen years as a Bengals coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and his ultimate goal of becoming a head coach. Those

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<v Speaker 1>conversations are straight ahead, but first here's a quick reminder

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<v Speaker 1>that you can have the latest edition of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest invention since YouTube how to videos. I am

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<v Speaker 1>ashamed to admit that I am probably the world's least

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<v Speaker 1>handy person. Other than changing a light bulb or filling

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<v Speaker 1>my gas tank, I'm basically useless. But I'm getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little better thanks to the numerous how to videos you

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<v Speaker 1>can find on YouTube. For example, this week, I replaced

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<v Speaker 1>the watch band on my running watch. Now that might

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<v Speaker 1>sound pretty rudimentary to you, but trust me, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a borderline miracle. Now time for football is I bring

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<v Speaker 1>in my broadcast partner, Dave lappam Lapp. Quite a first

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<v Speaker 1>week for new head coach Zach Taylor and his first

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<v Speaker 1>practice as the Bengals head coach. A. J. Green goes

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<v Speaker 1>down about forty five minutes into practice, the first day

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<v Speaker 1>that the Bengals are supposed to be in full pads,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets canceled due to lightning. He has quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>weathered the storm pretty well. I think I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're absolutely right. I mean, it's one thing about

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<v Speaker 1>him that I felt like after meeting him on and

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<v Speaker 1>off the field as such. Is that he was steady,

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<v Speaker 1>very steady personality wise, and I think it's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>born fruit there, you know. I think he's he's had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of howards is thrown out him and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, just shucks him like like it's no problem,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is a good sign. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get flustered easily. I think that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good good indicator of his temperament during the

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<v Speaker 1>course of a game. I think he'll keep his cool,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and stay level headed and be able to make good,

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<v Speaker 1>solid decisions because you know, he won't be emoting as such.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think those are those are all good signs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Aj Green, it's just so unfortunate. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to talk to him a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>he's he was just so you know, for AJ he

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<v Speaker 1>was as down as I've seen him. And that he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, laugh, I never got hurt now all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the last three years, it just seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be an injury bug a boo. And uh, he was

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<v Speaker 1>he was definitely you know, sad's not the word for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was even sadder than sad. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him a day later and he was already

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<v Speaker 1>his spirits were already, you know, starting to bounce back.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think he is a quick healer, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he will scar, which has to happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after injuries and after surgery if there's ligament tears, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the problem with those kind of things is

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<v Speaker 1>when you have an injury and a joint, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many things in there. There's bone, there's ligament,

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<v Speaker 1>there's tendons, there's sheaths around the tendons and ligaments, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of those things can be messed up. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of soft tissue and a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 1>and the soft tissue can affect the bone and it

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<v Speaker 1>can be bone chips and all these particular in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, over the years, I've I've had some injury,

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<v Speaker 1>and teammates of mine have had injury, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just get to learn to realize that sometimes until

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<v Speaker 1>you get in there as such, which is I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wise thing that they did. You don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're looking at. And m R eyes are great,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong. Where I never had an m R.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what an mr I would would

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<v Speaker 1>feel like. I guess it doesn't feel like much of anything,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the pictures are very very clear, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think based on those pictures, I think they've decided

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<v Speaker 1>they're better go in there and make sure that everything's

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<v Speaker 1>everything's hunky dory as such, and hopefully he'll be he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back sooner rather than later, because that's a that's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge, huge piece of an offense to miss, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>He had surgery on Tuesday. Zach Taylor said later that

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<v Speaker 1>day that he's likely to miss at least the first

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<v Speaker 1>two games of the regular season. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>that is an optimistic timetable for how quickly he could

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<v Speaker 1>be back, You know, I hope it's a I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it's on the on the long end, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way he's going to be around for the

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<v Speaker 1>open to me, in a perfect not a perfect world,

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<v Speaker 1>but a perfect world based on the world we're in

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<v Speaker 1>right now, which is not a perfect world with the injury,

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<v Speaker 1>if they could get him back for the Steeler game

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<v Speaker 1>Week four, Week four and last game September Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>football national television, big you know, a big game against

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<v Speaker 1>a division rival, I hated division rival. If AJ Green

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<v Speaker 1>could come back and play in that game, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a shot of juice that this team would be.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it would be unbelievable. It's like getting a

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<v Speaker 1>not just a first round pick, You're getting a future

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer, you know, back as a weapon. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be a nice a nice component to having that game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gonna be a tough game, going on the road

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<v Speaker 1>and playing against the Pittsburgh Steelers under the lights, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>with that crowd and everything that goes along with it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's unfortunate. The thing the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I look at it when I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna miss him for regular season games potentially you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two or three games, maybe four. Okay, now you can

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<v Speaker 1>put another guy in the box because there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>weapon that you have to maybe worry about with doubling.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you really want to run the football like

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<v Speaker 1>this team does, all of a sudden, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the hands washing the other hand, A teams try

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<v Speaker 1>to take them out of the football game. The only

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it is to put a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>guys on them. So now not having to worry about that,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to load the box up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more regularly. Now it's tougher for Joe Mixon.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got to make the unblocked guy miss all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It just becomes you know, in the National Football League,

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest commodity you can have is space, and you

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<v Speaker 1>try to create space. You try to make the defense

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<v Speaker 1>defend every blade of grass you can. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a j and John Ross and all these components,

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<v Speaker 1>your offense healthy, and you can spread the field out

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<v Speaker 1>and stretch them horizontally by formation, then stretch them vertically

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<v Speaker 1>by speed, by foot speed. You know, you get a

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic there. But if AJ is not in the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>and John Ross isn't in the mix yet, but hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>he should be, you know by the regular season. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why if Malone shows he can play, he can run,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he can stretch it. John Ross can stretch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, AJ can stretch it. And now you're having

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<v Speaker 1>to defend again horizontally en vertically. Wouldn't shock me, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan if instead of eleven personnel, one running back, one

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<v Speaker 1>tight end, maybe goes some twelve personnel because you've got

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<v Speaker 1>seven tight ends in camp I think four of them

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<v Speaker 1>are going to make the football team, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that'll help Darren Simmons as well, because you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other than Tyler Eiffort, every other tight end

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<v Speaker 1>that's on the football team could help him in a

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<v Speaker 1>special teams play. Plus the fact that you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of them have different skill set. Some are better blockers,

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<v Speaker 1>some are better receivers, some can do both. Tyler Eiffort,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, can do both. But I mean when he's

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, they went nickel last year, whether he

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<v Speaker 1>was on the field a loan or he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the field as a as a second tight end. So

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<v Speaker 1>at least if you go to personnel, you might get

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<v Speaker 1>him in base defense and be able to balance him

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<v Speaker 1>up so you can take away some of the funk

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<v Speaker 1>that they might be doing. You know, put a tight

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the stide of line of scriment. Do you make

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<v Speaker 1>them balance up? Now, all of a sudden, it's you

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<v Speaker 1>have a base defense that's balance up, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different picture. So, I mean, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things you can do. They're not hamstrong necessarily by

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<v Speaker 1>losing a wide receiver. With respect to what they can

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<v Speaker 1>do offensively, personnel wise, formations, all the things they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But when it's AJ Green, I mean that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's not very many guys, if any, in the league. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>they can do all the things he can do. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean he's got speed, quickness, his jackhammer, feed on that sideline,

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<v Speaker 1>I hand coordination, I mean he does. We've seen him

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<v Speaker 1>in practice two things that are out of this world.

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<v Speaker 1>They're crazy. They just can't replace that. There's no good

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<v Speaker 1>time to lose AJ Green that we know, But if

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<v Speaker 1>it had to happen, I would think first day of

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<v Speaker 1>camp would be the best time for two reasons. Why.

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<v Speaker 1>It gives him a chance to come back sooner in

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<v Speaker 1>the regular season and not miss many games. But secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton, AJ Green have been doing this forever. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got chemistry, and the offense is different, so the routes

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<v Speaker 1>are a little bit different, but at least they've got

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<v Speaker 1>that history, that shared history. If you're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>other wide receivers ready to play and contribute, then all

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<v Speaker 1>this additional time at camp will be good for them. Agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're running the money on both points. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that AJ Green is such a ridiculous physical freak

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<v Speaker 1>of nature that he'll heal quickly and he won't need

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of practice to ramp up to a

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<v Speaker 1>high level. Maybe not as high level as AJ can be,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still a higher level than your average wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver around the National Football League. So you look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Julio Jones is saying he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>play a preseason stap. I'd venture to say Antonio Brown's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to play much in the preseason. All these

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<v Speaker 1>elite groups wide receivers aren't going to play in preseason

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<v Speaker 1>games anyway. And take a chance I'm losing. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>are paying fifteen twenty million dollars a year or two,

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<v Speaker 1>so AJ Green, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to limit his snaps in preseason games anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>But practice, repetition and all those things you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>are important. But like you said, they've done it for

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<v Speaker 1>eight years already, so they have a lot of that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is some different routes. And AJ was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about getting his nose in the playbook, and he'd missed

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<v Speaker 1>all the OTAs and the mini camps and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>so he wanted to get that part of it, the

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<v Speaker 1>study part of it, and then translating it to the

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<v Speaker 1>football field. And he's a rep guy. AJ likes to

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<v Speaker 1>have reps on the practice field, So with those diminished,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a little bit of catching up to

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<v Speaker 1>do there. So it's going to be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 1>how how it all plays out. But I do think,

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<v Speaker 1>I like think again looking at the very first workout today,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan in pads Man, I mean, tight ends are motion

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<v Speaker 1>and whamen knows, you know, defensive tackles and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>play actually pass over that pass in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>football field. You know, a receiver's wide open. Quarterbacks have

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<v Speaker 1>changed in the launch point. You know, both ways, rolling right,

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<v Speaker 1>rolling left. Linemen are pulling. Receivers are you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>tight formations, the splits are tight to the formation and

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<v Speaker 1>then they're wide and then they're motioning and then jet

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<v Speaker 1>sweep motion and motion back the other way. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot going on, and then you'll see the defenses,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean basically a lot of these motions and everything

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<v Speaker 1>will change the strength of the formation. Defensive lineman will

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<v Speaker 1>be shifting, linebackers will be everybody's communicating shifting if you

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<v Speaker 1>do this stuff at the end of the play clock,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a chance, in my mind, the later

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<v Speaker 1>you do something like that, the higher the risk of

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<v Speaker 1>them somebody not getting the line properly. Maybe you'll catch them.

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<v Speaker 1>Not they're moving, they're not even in their stance where

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<v Speaker 1>they're lined up improperly or whatever. So I like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the things that they're doing. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>stresses a defense. I think there's there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things that that are positive there. And man, they ran

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<v Speaker 1>the first team period. They're ran fifteen plays in like

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<v Speaker 1>seven minutes. I mean they were they were boom. They

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<v Speaker 1>were getting reps. When I went the pass rush drill,

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<v Speaker 1>they were getting reps. I mean, you know, there was

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<v Speaker 1>no standing around and talking about every fine point and

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<v Speaker 1>doing all this coaching and guys are not working. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll coach him, but they'll coach him on the

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<v Speaker 1>run and next guy's up and it's I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. Coach Turner and Coach Easton got

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of reps in the pass rush, more

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<v Speaker 1>more than I've seen. So I like the temple of

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<v Speaker 1>everything they're doing, and I think that's going to translate,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, out on the football field and defensively, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they continue to impress. I mean, they continue to understand

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<v Speaker 1>what coach Lou wants done and how he wants it done,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're responding. I mean, I think I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, again, this is the first padded workout, but

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<v Speaker 1>like we talked about after the first practice on Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, um it's it's happens every year, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you've played a number of years. When you're anchoring your pads,

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing you have to do is lower your pads.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's two ways to lower your pads. You can

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<v Speaker 1>bend your knees to lower your pads, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>football functional way to do it, or you can bend

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<v Speaker 1>at your waist and lower your paths. And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the good way to do it, because you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have flection in your knees. You're bending at your waist,

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<v Speaker 1>your chins over your skis, over your feet, you're out

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<v Speaker 1>of balance. But if you're bending at the knees properly

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<v Speaker 1>and you're still a good football, powerful striking position, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a good way to lower your paths. And I saw

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<v Speaker 1>some bending at the waist instead of bending in the knees.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just a repetition, breeds comfort level with guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and that as well. The more you do it these

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's muscle memory stuff, and get back to

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<v Speaker 1>doing that so that that'll ramp up quickly. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that's noticeable every every year when training camp

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<v Speaker 1>starts first padded practice. A couple of lineup nuggets from

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<v Speaker 1>the first padded practice. Number one, Christian Westerman was in

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<v Speaker 1>there with the ones at the left guard position after

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<v Speaker 1>John Jerry was the first left guard when they opened

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<v Speaker 1>camp in Dayton last Saturday, and Ryan Glasgow lined up

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<v Speaker 1>as one of the starting defensive linemen. Was rotating in

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<v Speaker 1>there quite a bit with Andrew Billings at the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>accle spot next to Geno Atkins. But Ryan Glasgow is

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<v Speaker 1>the first guy out there coming off his knee injury. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the good things to see Ryan Glasgow. I thought, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's a he's a sluggo man. He'll just

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<v Speaker 1>go in there and mall with you. And he's just

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<v Speaker 1>he is a blue collar lunch pail, all the cliche

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<v Speaker 1>you want football player love, the guy of the effort.

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<v Speaker 1>He gives football means something to him, means a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to that guy, means a lot to his family. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's that's another football family of brothers and dads

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, everybody's played, so um, it was good

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<v Speaker 1>to see him back and they're slugging it out. The

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<v Speaker 1>other guy that I thought looked good was Carl Lowston

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<v Speaker 1>coming off the edge. I wanted to see in pads.

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<v Speaker 1>What did his first step look like? Was there some explosion?

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<v Speaker 1>What was that takeoff looking like? And it was looking

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good, pretty good for the first you know, time

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<v Speaker 1>in padded practice. So I thought those two guys, it

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<v Speaker 1>was good to see them get out there and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and show something and show that their rehab has gone

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<v Speaker 1>one and they're ramping up, tracking up in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting center, Billy Price hasn't practiced yet. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be back any day now, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>good news. In the meantime, Trey Hopkins has been the

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<v Speaker 1>number one center, no surprise there, but rookie Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>was the guy getting the second team reps at the

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<v Speaker 1>center position, and that padded practice on Wednesday, Yeah, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan and Brian Lundblade a kind of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rotated a little bit between the center and guard spot,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that's that's both of them have to

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<v Speaker 1>show that they can play both of those positions if

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to make the football team. And Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>played center at Ohio State and played guard at Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>State and even could play tackling emergency up there, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know he's got that position versatility. And like we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a few times, whoever makes the team if

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a starting spot, not just two positions,

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<v Speaker 1>not just like center and right guard, center, right guard,

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<v Speaker 1>left guard, you have to show that you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can play multiple positions because they that's why Trey Hopkins

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<v Speaker 1>has a big advantage because he's so smart. He understands

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<v Speaker 1>them all because assignment wise, and he's shown he can

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<v Speaker 1>play them. So he's got an inside track, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on being an extra lineman. If he doesn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>starting position, well, they want to find out what other

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<v Speaker 1>lineman can play not just two, but three of the

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<v Speaker 1>five spots potentially, you know, you know, worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have a guy who's not a starter being

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<v Speaker 1>just a backup center or just a backup right guard,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't play center or left guard. You just

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that. In today's NFL, you don't carry that

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<v Speaker 1>many guys, So you know, I think they'll be moving

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<v Speaker 1>guys around and taking to look see. And I bet

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see some guys out there, particularly in preseason games,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kicking out there to the tackle positions. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting, you know. I guess they want to see

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<v Speaker 1>if he could do that in a pinch to finish

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<v Speaker 1>the game or whatever. So there'll be some experimentation, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the most disruptive defensive lineman in the first

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<v Speaker 1>padded practice with Sam Hubbard moving into the starting lineup

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<v Speaker 1>in Michael Johnson's old spot. And I think he's poised

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<v Speaker 1>to have a really big second season in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>Love him, Love everything about the guy because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his work ethic is unbelievable. I mean he gets up

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<v Speaker 1>the football field with pressure and then just dead sprints

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<v Speaker 1>back to wherever the football is. I mean that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>The GPS tracker on him, i'd like to see for

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive lineman. I bet his miles parr. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's rolling up there at a significant rate running.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he can run. Man, he's got some speed and

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<v Speaker 1>he's busting it. He's busting and he's putting smiles on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's running a good distance and he's running

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<v Speaker 1>at a high rate of speed. So just his work ethic,

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<v Speaker 1>his hustle and you know, we steen, we saw him

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<v Speaker 1>as a rookie being involved in a takeaway touchdown. That's

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<v Speaker 1>because of his practice habits of you know, running to

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. You know, he'll pressure the quarterback if the

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<v Speaker 1>ball so he'll run to where the ball is. And

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<v Speaker 1>if one of his teammates makes a play in the

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<v Speaker 1>balls in the ground, he's in prime position to do

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<v Speaker 1>something with it and about it. So everything that he

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<v Speaker 1>does is a high, high level of intensity. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Sam Harvard and he can there's another guy

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<v Speaker 1>that can. You know, he's shown he can play defensive end.

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<v Speaker 1>He's shown he can slide inside the nickel and pass

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<v Speaker 1>rush in there. They used him as a defensive tackle

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<v Speaker 1>in the regular you know, as a three technique in

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<v Speaker 1>some instances last year as a rookie, you know, due

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<v Speaker 1>to injury. That's not his Ford tape, but he's shown

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<v Speaker 1>he can do it. So he's got positioned versatility as well.

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<v Speaker 1>After that first padded practice, Zach Taylor said, the offense

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<v Speaker 1>won early, the defense won late. It was interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>watch new defensive coordinator lou An A. Rumo early when

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<v Speaker 1>the offense was dominating. He was almost Mike zimmer Esque

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<v Speaker 1>in the way he was lighting up the defensive players.

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<v Speaker 1>Finish blank blank blank finish, finish every point. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he was at a lot of blank blank blanks, and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know it was like, Okay, that's good. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>hard coach him, and it's you know, the communication wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>There were there were some mistakes and then play like

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<v Speaker 1>like he was staying there. You know, there were miss

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<v Speaker 1>tackles and not in position to make plays. And and

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<v Speaker 1>they flipped. They flipped the switch man. They turned it

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<v Speaker 1>and turned turned their fortunes around. And the next three

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<v Speaker 1>periods that were scoring periods, the defense dominated one at

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen to three. Big reason for that big a margin

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<v Speaker 1>is miss field goals, makeable field goals. I mean, one

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<v Speaker 1>drive started from the thirty five yard line, there was

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<v Speaker 1>some yards game and miss a field goal, missed another

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<v Speaker 1>field goal in the red zone. Each kicker miss one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. When the offense gets the ball in that

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<v Speaker 1>favorable field position, defense holds and no points. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>God bless, you did a hell of a job. So

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<v Speaker 1>they want to make sure the defense gets a nice

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<v Speaker 1>kiss on that because the offense can score touchdowns. And

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't. They didn't, they didn't come, they didn't sniff

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone in those three defensive periods. So the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive communication turned it up big time. And then offensively

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<v Speaker 1>they were. They were doing things right early on and

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<v Speaker 1>those three scoring, three competitive scoring deals that went on

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<v Speaker 1>in different stages and situations field position, they had some

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<v Speaker 1>issues with, you know, targeting the right spot and pass

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<v Speaker 1>protection and there were some free runners. Uh so their

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<v Speaker 1>communication fell apart a little bit. And that's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what football is all about. It's eleven guys communicating properly

0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 1>on either side of the ball. If you if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a communication lapse, you get issues. Is it as hard

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<v Speaker 1>for you to believe as it is for me that

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<v Speaker 1>they'll be playing a game a week from Saturday? It is?

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing. I mean, you know, they can't go

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<v Speaker 1>to camp now just two weeks before that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that first preseason game, and I like, I like, what

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<v Speaker 1>Zack's doing um, you know, and weather disrupted it for

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. You know, he had the uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I call it, uh you know, like workload uh handling

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<v Speaker 1>the workload kind of thing like they do in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys will miss games. Well, Zach had that that one

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<v Speaker 1>day where it was like half speed walkthrough and just

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<v Speaker 1>getting ready for some contact and then um, you know,

0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 1>rain took away one of his contact periods. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big believer in you know, these guys work year

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<v Speaker 1>round now to stay in pretty good shape. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to kill them, you know in training camp. You

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<v Speaker 1>want these guys to be ready to play in the

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<v Speaker 1>regular season. And it's worked for the LA Rams. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what they've done under Sean McVay out there and Zach,

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<v Speaker 1>Zach's believing it obviously, and and I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it'll pay dividends. I mean, gone or the days where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you get your head smashed in for nine

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<v Speaker 1>weeks and you couldn't drink water and you know you

0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>just got beaten to death. Those days are long gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I lived through some of those and they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>fun at all. You know, you wonder is there something

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<v Speaker 1>else I can do and make a living. I know

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<v Speaker 1>there is maybe I don't know how long I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, but I like what they're doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>when they go, I think the players appreciate that he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take care of them that way, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they go, they're they're doing. Like we talked about the temple,

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<v Speaker 1>the best way for football conditioning is that because normally

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<v Speaker 1>you get a bigger break than that. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll go hard and then you'll, you know, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on how up temple your offense is, there's lulls and breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>He has got them at a very high clip, very

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<v Speaker 1>high rate between every snap. That's the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>get your cardio done in football is doing football football.

0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.880
<v Speaker 1>You have to perform football acts, football functions in very

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<v Speaker 1>short recovery periods, and that's the best way to get

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<v Speaker 1>conditioned for football. And he's conditioning big time for football.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go and run. You're a distance guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go out and run. That's you know, that's one way

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<v Speaker 1>to condition. But then you have to get in football

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<v Speaker 1>condition where you're you're pushing and pulling and you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're working all the attachments and ligaments and tenants and

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.080
<v Speaker 1>all your joints and everything, and then you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, you know, in a very short time frame.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a different conditioning for your body and for

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<v Speaker 1>your cardio vascular And I think I think that they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a pretty good idea with how they're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>with this work hard in two days recover, work real hard,

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<v Speaker 1>two days recover. I like that pattern. The Rams are

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<v Speaker 1>number four in the NFL last year in fewest starts

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 1>missed and number one in the NFL two years ago

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<v Speaker 1>in fewest starts missed by their key players. If Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor brings anything from Sean McVeigh and the Rams, let's

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's a system for keeping guys healthy. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>look at to the veteran offensive lineman Sullivan and Whitworth

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<v Speaker 1>well into their thirties, and you know they didn't miss

0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 1>they didn't miss games. So you know, you can play

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<v Speaker 1>a longer period of time at a higher level by

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 1>not you know, getting it taken out of you during

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<v Speaker 1>the offseason and during training camp. As long as you

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<v Speaker 1>keep yourself in a good semblance of shape. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if you let yourself get sloppy, you know, in yo Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's gonna that's a horse of a different color.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different story. But if the players understand what

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<v Speaker 1>the coach is trying to do, and the players, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be professionals and take care of their bodies, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can play a longer time at a higher level. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what the whole concept is. Plus making

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<v Speaker 1>so much money, it's it's good for the ownership to

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<v Speaker 1>check their investment and good for the players to do

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<v Speaker 1>it as long as they can. I mean, both all

0:24:03.640 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>parties benefit. It makes too much sense. That's why beating

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<v Speaker 1>the hell out everywhere. Of course, nobody was making that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of money back in those days. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's why, you know, making less than thirty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year, saying it's worth all this. Yeah, I always

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it my whole life, But man, how

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<v Speaker 1>many years can I do this? Guys? Don't have to

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>think like that anymore. You got twelve. I got twelve

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<v Speaker 1>all together. Yeah, I was lucky. Knocked on the wood.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals next practice is Friday afternoon from three to

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<v Speaker 1>five at the practice fields adjacent to Paul Brown Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Then on Saturday it's the annual Family Day event at

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<v Speaker 1>the stadium. The gates open it two and practice begins

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<v Speaker 1>at three. There will be kid friendly activities throughout the stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>prize giveaways, autographs from everybody on the roster. After practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then once the players clear the field, you will

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>be allowed onto the playing surface. Everything is free, including

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 1>parking at the lots next to the stadium. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out Family Day Saturday at Paul Brown Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Now time for this week's fun Facts segment as we

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<v Speaker 1>get to know the longest tenured coach on the current

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<v Speaker 1>staff as he enters his seventeenth year with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>Time for some fun facts at Bengal Special Teams coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Simmons, a native of Elkhart, Kansas, down in the

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<v Speaker 1>southwest corner of the state near Oklahoma and Colorado. Describe

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>your hometown, very small, farming community, twenty one hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of fluctuates. Twenty one twenty two one hundred people,

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<v Speaker 1>right in the very southwest corner. I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be any further southwest. The city limits to my hometown

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<v Speaker 1>is Oklahoma state line. Colorado is about five miles west

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<v Speaker 1>of us. We're a two A school UM in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Kansas. Kansas has one through six A or

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<v Speaker 1>two A schools. We're on the smaller half, UM, but

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<v Speaker 1>very very much a farming community in uh An Oil

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<v Speaker 1>and gas uh you know, crude oil and natural gas

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<v Speaker 1>productions big down there too. We're doing fine facts with

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<v Speaker 1>Darren Simmons. Let's talk about your athletic career. You started

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<v Speaker 1>out at Dodge City Community College in Kansas, and in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to punting, you played quarterback. Give me a scouting

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<v Speaker 1>report on Darren Simmons the quarterback. Well, I went to

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<v Speaker 1>I went to University Kansas as a punter. So now

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<v Speaker 1>that it gives you some of my uh background as

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback. Now, I mean I I started a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years UM at Dodge City as both a quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>and a punter. Kind of patterned myself after Danny White,

0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 1>you know with the Cowboys, UM, who did both. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was kind of a dual threat on fourth

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<v Speaker 1>down where I dropped back to pond, Well, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>fake it? Are we gonna go for it? Mean? What

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>are we gonna We're gonna punt it? What were're gonna do? Um?

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>But obviously my Mike quarterback days were limited there because

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I went on as a punter. Soul. That gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a little scouting report, all right, And as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>it was on to Kansas to play for the Jayhawks

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<v Speaker 1>for your final couple of college seasons. What was it

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<v Speaker 1>like for a kid from small town Kansas to play

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<v Speaker 1>for the university up Well, it was actually really weird

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<v Speaker 1>because really everybody west of Kansas State goes to Ka State,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody east of Kansas State or Manhattan goes to KU.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of did the flop and went right

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<v Speaker 1>over the top of Kansas State and went to Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't regret that decision one bit. The majority

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<v Speaker 1>of my graduating class actually went to Kansas State, so

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<v Speaker 1>it'ld have been a natural thing, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of straight away from the herd went to Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas was just coming off a Lohall Bowl win over BYU,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were both obviously poor programs had been historically,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were both on their way up. And I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Kansas was a little ahead of where Kansas State

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<v Speaker 1>was time, and so I chose to go there. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I still go back there and visit a

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>lot it's on our way home down I seventy when

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<v Speaker 1>we could drive back to Kansas in the summertime. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Lawrence is a cool town. I could see

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>living there. It's a really cool small town, which it

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<v Speaker 1>is close enough to Kansas City where you get still

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<v Speaker 1>the big city things that come with that. So really

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed my time at Kansas and that's where ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>met my wife. We're visiting with Special Teams coordinator Darren Simmons.

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<v Speaker 1>You chose wisely. Kansas was terrific while you were there

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<v Speaker 1>your senior year. They finished in the top ten in

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<v Speaker 1>the country and in a big win over Oklahoma, you

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<v Speaker 1>had a forty five yard run on a fake punt.

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<v Speaker 1>I have seen the footage on YouTube. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember about the play? Well, I member, we'd practiced that

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<v Speaker 1>play for a long time, and you know, being a punter,

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, if you're going to punt the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that you want to do is when

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<v Speaker 1>you receive the snap, you want to want to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on punting it. I remember our head coach at the time,

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Mason, said, for the specific play, catch it, then

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<v Speaker 1>look up to see if they're rushing, if they're rushing,

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<v Speaker 1>then punt it. If they're not rushing, then take off

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and run, and which is there's a that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to do in a short amount of time. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously being from Kent where I'm from, in Kansas at

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma game is a huge game because I actually probably

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<v Speaker 1>grew up as a as a Sooner fan, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a bunch of family at that game. And h

0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it was we were down pretty big throughout that game.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of plays in that game that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of helped propel us pass them, and uh, that was

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 1>one of them. So, uh, you know, that was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>a very fun time for them. While you were at Kansas.

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<v Speaker 1>Roy Williams was the basketball coach Kansas basketball at the

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<v Speaker 1>time was terrific, as it still is obviously to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you get to know Roy at all or any

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<v Speaker 1>of the great basketball players that were there at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>We did. You know, the football team and the basketball

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<v Speaker 1>team were actually pretty close at the time, and and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have nothing but great things, great fond

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<v Speaker 1>memories of Coach Williams in his time there. He was

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<v Speaker 1>very very supportive of our program, our football program. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we were on the way up at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think in fact my senior year, we were the

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<v Speaker 1>one of the few teams in history at the time

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<v Speaker 1>to have a football team playing a bowl game and

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<v Speaker 1>finishing the top ten. The basketball team makes the Final four,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the baseball team goes to the College World Series,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think at the time is only like eight teams.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a very successful year that year. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Coach Williams is a heck of a coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he still has, uh, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ties still still back to Kansas, and Ike has

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<v Speaker 1>fond memories back of the people and everything that went

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>into that school. So he was very supportive of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And good good man. We'll do a few more fun

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>facts with Darren Simmons. Let's move on to your coaching career.

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<v Speaker 1>You had an uncle with NFL ties, correct, Yeah, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Um My dad's brother, Jerry Simmons, was a strength coach,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he came from the same small hometown

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>of bell Cart that I did. He went to Fort

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<v Speaker 1>Hay State, which is a Division two school out in Kansas,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he get his start. His first full time

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<v Speaker 1>strength coaching job was at Rice I think he was

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<v Speaker 1>a graduate assistant at Clemson and then his first full

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<v Speaker 1>time job was at Rice. He went from Rice to

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<v Speaker 1>Southern cal named from Southern cal to the New England Patriots,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Raymond Barry was the head coach then,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh maybe Don mcpherston for a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he went from New England to the Cleveland Browns

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<v Speaker 1>and he went to Cleveland with Bill Belichick when when

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<v Speaker 1>he first got there, then he kind of survived that

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<v Speaker 1>whole move from Cleveland to Baltimore and was there in

0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Baltimore under Ted Marcher Brodo and that's when I got

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<v Speaker 1>hired there. But I was fortunate throughout my high school

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>days even my college days, I would always go help

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<v Speaker 1>me and my younger brother would go help him during

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<v Speaker 1>two days or in training camp, whether it be out

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>of Southern cal or at New England and at Cleveland. Well,

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 1>at Cleveland I got to know the special teams coach

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>there very well. My uncle pushed it. I was letting

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<v Speaker 1>know that I was a putner, and I got to

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<v Speaker 1>work with him a lot, the special teams coach by

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>name Mascott O'Brien, and we developed a relationship and and

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<v Speaker 1>you know it still sticks to this day. What were

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>your initial responsibilities on an NFL staff. Well, I was

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<v Speaker 1>the assistant special teams coach and assistant strength and conditioning coach,

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, assistant special teams coaches at the time. There

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<v Speaker 1>was only probably three or four of us in the

0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>league at the time. Now every team has one, virtually,

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I think me with exception one or two full time

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>assistant special teams coaches. But as a way for me

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to kind of get in the door, it was a

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>dual role thing where I think it allowed me to

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<v Speaker 1>help my uncle in the weight room and be his

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<v Speaker 1>assistant and there and then also be split my time

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 1>with special teams too. So it was a good way

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a good opportunity for me to get

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<v Speaker 1>my foot in the door as a young guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm very appreciate of that opportunity. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a favorite moment, favorite game, favorite special teams play,

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<v Speaker 1>anything in particular that stands out? One specific play I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that comes to mine was my first year here

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three and we're playing Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 1>In Kansas City, I believe was undefeated at the time

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe like nine and Ozo and Dante Hall, who

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>was their returner that has had an unbelievable season. I

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>think he'd scored four times, maybe five, and he was

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to break the NFL record, and we almost gave

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>it to him in the first half, but we kind

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of flipped it. We kind of flipped it on him,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the second half we played lights out on

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<v Speaker 1>special teams, stopped him and really took him out of

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the game, and then Peter Wart scored on a punt

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>return which kind of blew the game open for us

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<v Speaker 1>and to win. So that was obviously a very very

0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 1>proud from me. He's a young coach and maybe in

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>my first year as the full time guy, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big moment for me. Final question for Darren Simmons.

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<v Speaker 1>John Harbaugh went from NFL special teams coach to Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl winning NFL head coach. Is head coach which you

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately aspire to do? I think that's a good question,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is something that I aspire to do. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the evolution of the way that special

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<v Speaker 1>teams coaches are looked at has obviously changed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I think Frank Gains was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>guys that went from being a special teams coach to

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach and didn't work out for him. In

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City, things did not go well. And but now

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<v Speaker 1>that John got his opportunity and has done with it

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<v Speaker 1>what he has, I think certainly over the past several years,

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing more and more special teams coaches getting opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>for interviews, which is a big thing. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>get rat race too and get my hand in there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think special teams coaches have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of advange because I get the opportunity to work

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<v Speaker 1>with the entire team, and I think that's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit what a head coach does. He gets you have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the personalities in what makes each player tick.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that a special team's coach is the

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<v Speaker 1>closest thing to what a hit coach does do then,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know that that is certainly something that I

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<v Speaker 1>would look forward to someday. This has been fun. You're

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<v Speaker 1>off the hot seat. Thanks for the time, great, Thank

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