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Speaker 1: Hi, am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth, revelry. That's good.

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Speaker 1: So I was super bummed to miss this one. But

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Speaker 1: by popular demand. And when I said popular demand, I

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Speaker 1: mean we we really put a poll out there and

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Speaker 1: we put it to the put it to fans. They

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Speaker 1: chose my mother the only most beautiful, most talented Goldiehan

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Speaker 1: Kate Mom talked to Sam an Emmanuel. Acho Emmanuel is

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Speaker 1: a Fox Sports analysis co host, former linebacker, and now

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Speaker 1: he's the host and the producer of this really cool series.

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Speaker 1: It's a web series called Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man.

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Speaker 1: It's about racism. It's opening up a dialogue, albeit uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: at times. He just wrote a book, Uncomfortable Conversations with

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Speaker 1: a Black Man. It's really really amazing. And then Sam

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Speaker 1: is a humanitarian, he's a public speaker, he's an NFL linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He also came out with a book this fall called

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Speaker 1: let the World See You, How to Be Real in

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Speaker 1: a world full of fakes. I try every day. Man,

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Speaker 1: these guys are amazing. I'm bummed. I'm bummed. I said

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Speaker 1: it at the top that I couldn't be there, it

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Speaker 1: just happened. But I cannot wait to listen. I'll be

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Speaker 1: listening along with you because I haven't even heard it yet.

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Speaker 1: They are bringing really important conversations front and center, So

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Speaker 1: dig in and enjoy. We're We were sitting here looking

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Speaker 1: at your guys's books, and one of the things that

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Speaker 1: was so amazing is just thinking that between a month

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Speaker 1: that you guys have both in twenty twenty, the weirdest

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Speaker 1: year of all of our lives, you've done one of

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Speaker 1: the most seminal things in your life so far, I

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Speaker 1: would think, which is published your first novel. So that's amazing,

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Speaker 1: which was crazy, crazy, crazy, It's so great. But you

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Speaker 1: know what I love is that you both have a

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Speaker 1: mission to care and you both have a mission to change.

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Speaker 1: And this is an interesting thing about two brothers. One

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Speaker 1: I mean, Emmanuel, you looked up so much to Sam

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, where did that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that can happen? How did you actually become two people?

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know yes, we are different people.

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Speaker 1: We come from the same belly, some of the genetics

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Speaker 1: are the same. But what is it that actually created

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Speaker 1: this in both of you, which was to make a

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Speaker 1: difference and that's what you're doing. Yeah, I'll go first.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I think it's the way

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Speaker 1: in which we were kind of cultivated growing up, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that more it is caught than it's taught.

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Speaker 1: And so it's one thing to tell your kids to

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Speaker 1: do something. It's another thing to show your kids what

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Speaker 1: you are doing. And obviously you alwuld know best. And

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Speaker 1: so I think more is caught than it is taught.

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Speaker 1: And so I think Sam and I both caught the

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Speaker 1: same things and and that is why we both are

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Speaker 1: trying to be world changers. Although vastly different. Sam will

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Speaker 1: attest to this. Our personality is very different, the books

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Speaker 1: very different, our style very different. Like Sam probably has

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Speaker 1: bit more sizzle, right, Like, we're just very different. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we have the same mission, and I think

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Speaker 1: it is really important to have that, but it and

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Speaker 1: any code dependence that you have together? Do you? I mean,

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Speaker 1: two and a half years apart. I wouldn't say there's

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Speaker 1: But I know early on I was I felt bad.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was going to ask a question today

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Speaker 1: question here is which one of you is more empathetic,

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Speaker 1: because what you're doing is driven by empathy both of you,

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Speaker 1: both driven to make change, and I think that's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: But I was questioning, so you're the empathy. You're the

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Speaker 1: black man, like a conversation about racial reconciliation, everyone would say, Sam, like,

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Speaker 1: But I think what I've realized is just like a fruit.

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Speaker 1: go do your thing, I'll do your thing. I'll do

426
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: my thing. But somewhere down the line I learned that

427
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: if I wanted to be great, whether it's at in sport,

428
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: in life, right with the book, without the world, see,

429
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: if you want to be great, you have to do

430
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: the work. You have to do the work, and no

431
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: one else is going to do the work for you,

432
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: point blank period. And so that idea of doing the work.

433
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: I remember being sixteen, probably fifteen, sixteen years old and

434
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: feeling like I had an opportunity to maybe play in college.

435
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: I really just wanted to be in better shape, and

436
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: so in the summer I said, Okay, I'm going to

437
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: try and just work out. Work out in the summer. Right,

438
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to run under a ten minute mile. I

439
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: was a pretty big kid. Running wasn't my forte and

440
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: so I said, I'm just trying to run under a

441
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: ten minute mile. I used to run like twelve fourteen.

442
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even finish really early on, and so I said,

443
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to work at it. And so I figured

444
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: everyone wanted to do the same as me. I called

445
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: up some friends. In the first day, about four or

446
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: five people showed up. It's like, all right, cool, we

447
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: did it. We're working on it. Didn't get the goal,

448
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: but we said, all right, we'll come back tomorrow. Well,

449
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: the next day, Vember was cut in half. About two

450
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: people showed up to me and my buddy, It's like,

451
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: all right, where did everybody else go? Well, they didn't

452
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: have the desire. Right after the first week, me and

453
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: my buddy were there. Well after that, nobody was there.

454
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 1: It was just me. It was just me. But I

455
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: had the desire to want to just not necessarily be great.

456
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get in better shape. I want

457
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: to get in better shape. And so that you could

458
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: say that was that's nature, right, there's something inside of me.

459
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: But it took it took me really learning it and

460
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: realizing it and then nurturing that piece of it. Right,

461
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: I want to build that out right, So now when

462
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: it comes to writing my book, right, you can think

463
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: about the countless hours, right, like sleepless nights, thousands of

464
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: words and I'm literally writing or typing. Right. I remember

465
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: being in tears writing in some of these some of

466
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: these words, because it's about my books, about what it

467
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: means to be seen, to be known, and to be loved. Right.

468
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: I think anybody who's in athletics or in in in uh,

469
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, the drama industry, there's this idea of of

470
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: what it means to be real. And so for me,

471
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: I knew what it was like to hide. And so

472
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: I said, man, what if I could actually bring this

473
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: idea of being real to bear? An interesting part about it, Kate,

474
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: is that no one could do it for me. No

475
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: one could tell those stories for me. No one could

476
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: go to the places that I could go. I had

477
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 1: to do that. But that was taught a long long

478
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: time ago. It was revealed in me back at fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

479
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: probably even younger at five and six, maybe playing on

480
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: the playground, right, stuff I don't even remember. But I

481
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: think there is a piece of this idea of grit,

482
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: or this idea of trying to be great, that can

483
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: be nurtured now was do you think like if there

484
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: was a mantra that you heard relating to what you're

485
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: talking about from one of your parents, would you hear

486
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: that coming from your mom, would you hear it coming

487
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: from your dad? Or is this just I think it's

488
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: more Emmanue alluded to it earlier. I think it's more

489
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: of what we saw. It's not what we heard, is

490
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: what we saw. We saw our dad every single day

491
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: get up and go to work. Every day, not a

492
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: day went by, he would get up and go to work.

493
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: Then he'd come back with the suitcase in hand, the

494
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: whole deal, put it stuff down, get changed, and be

495
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: with the family every single day. We saw our mom

496
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: a right well, so of course she was saying care

497
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: of us. But even after after we all graduated, she

498
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: went back to school to get her together doctor, get

499
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: her pH d, right, her doctor and nurse practitioning. Excuse me.

500
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: We saw our mom and our dad go back and

501
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: get up and go to work. So it wasn't that

502
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: we heard a mantrarity. People say it all the time.

503
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Some parents. It's like, okay, do as I say, not

504
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: as I do. It's like no, no no, no, we did

505
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: as they did every summer. They would go to Nigeria

506
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: and do medical mission work every single summer. People asked, well, Sam,

507
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: you did a lot of work in Chicago. You found

508
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: a food desert in there and you opened up a

509
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: you essentially turned a liquor store into a food mark.

510
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: What was that from? Well? Did I saw my parents

511
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: every single summer go and help people in need? And

512
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: so for us it was not there's no phrase, and

513
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: I can remember, but it was an action, a daily action,

514
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: a consistency that I saw in my dad really and

515
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: my mom. That really reminded me that there's more in

516
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: the tank. Yeah, I think there's a phrase. Your action

517
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: speaks so loud, I can't hear what you're telling. I

518
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: love that and my parents' actions they just spoke so

519
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: loud that it didn't really matter what they said. I

520
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: want to meet your parents. They sound all I know.

521
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: So I know. Now your sisters. What do your sisters do?

522
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: So the oldest is a nurse practitioner, Sam Chichi. Yeah,

523
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: she's a nurse practitioner. She also she pretty much runs

524
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: the hospital in Dallas. So she's a director and manager

525
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: at a hospital. And then so she did that for

526
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: a couple of years and now she actually is a

527
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: There's a school that she went to that she loves,

528
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: so she's essentially a school nurse because she loves this

529
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: whole pediatric side of things. So she's done the management piece.

530
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Now she's on the how do I take care of

531
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: young kids? Piece? That's what she does. Our other sister,

532
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Stephanie is she does consulting, she manages restaurants. She's got

533
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: her MBA and got her PAH as well. So I

534
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: mean we un academic family. Yeah. If you were sitting

535
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: around a table and you guys were in like ten,

536
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: you know the ten range, Like Stephanie was ten, so

537
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: chie Chee's twelve, and right, who's the loudest? Maybe me

538
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: sent almost? I think you probably are the loudest, making

539
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm probably the loudest. I'm probably the most disruptive. Okay,

540
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: and wait, and you are disruptive. And that's what I

541
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: wanted to say, is that disruption is where you can

542
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: and can create change. And you you literally went in

543
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: there and wanted to have these difficult conversations with people,

544
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: and with that, it's like wow, look what look, look

545
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: what happened here? I mean, both of you are the

546
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: ying and the yin and the yang of this particular

547
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: issue that we're dealing with right now, which is basically

548
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: systemic racism. So I I love that that this dance

549
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: that you have with your family, with your history with

550
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: your brother, and how you're working together. Now You've got

551
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: these books that basically are in terms of what see,

552
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: how do I get to be seen? And the other

553
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: part is okay, talk to me, talk to me about

554
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: what some of these issues are. Let's have some difficult conversations.

555
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: And I do. I have to say, it's very important,

556
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and we talked about our upbringing and

557
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: all of that which does lead us into who we are.

558
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: And I'm personally just I'm standing in tonight, you know,

559
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: basically for my son, but Oliver who, Oliver who could

560
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: be taking this in a whole different other connection. I'd

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: probably have to run out of the room, just like.

562
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: But I'm really happy to be here tonight. Thanks Kate

563
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: for calling me and asking me to come and get involved.

564
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying meeting you a lot. Did your sisters play

565
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: any sports? Yeah, both sisters were in track and basketball,

566
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: but then they both went to school in like the northeast,

567
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: one went to Syracuse, and one went to Northwestern. So

568
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: I goess northeast and midwest. Nice, and so it's too

569
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: cold to do all that, right, they were like, I'm

570
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: done hunting exactly. So then Sam and I just carried

571
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: the athletic tours. Oh fun. And so when you guys, well,

572
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: I have to ask about like getting into trouble. Who

573
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: was the trouble maker? Death and me? Okay, yeah, Stephanie

574
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: and me were both the trouble makers, and Cheechee and

575
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: Sam were the peacekeepers. But funny enough, Chee Chee and

576
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: myself got along and Stephanie and Sam got along. So

577
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: like there was that opposite of trap dynamic. Yeah, exactly

578
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: if you were playing although this was if you were

579
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: playing a game of risk, and it was a it

580
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: was a like it was a sibling because this is

581
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: good because now I wish I had your sisters on here.

582
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: If you if you got like, who would you pick?

583
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Would you pick Chi Chi to be your risk? Yeah?

584
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Look at him, he's definitely picking. And are like they're

585
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: like handed everywhere they go. There. I remember feeling left out,

586
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: So Kate Goaldie, I don't just now's the time to

587
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: let this out, let it all out, let it out,

588
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,239
Speaker 1: so left out because Emanuel and Chee Chee were like

589
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: they were like this, they were so tight, so close,

590
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: and just she looked out for him. He was the baby.

591
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: We just love him. And I'm like, what about me,

592
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm still here, and so Stephanie took me under

593
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: her wing. But as you know, Stephanie is super mischievous,

594
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, Stephanie, you wanted to be under

595
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: want to be in the wing, don't even want to

596
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: be in the air with that. I'm like, She's like,

597
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't tell Mama Dad. I'm like, I have to

598
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: tell Mama. I don't know. So she just I think

599
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: she just stopped telling me things because she knew I

600
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: would tell. I literally would tell mam and dad. So yeah,

601
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: So anyways, I remember seeing the word. I mean, that's easy.

602
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: They would play spades together to play whatever the game was,

603
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Emanuel and che che and they were the cheeters. And

604
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm probably saying too much now, but they were the cheaters.

605
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: So so like remember you know, win it all cops

606
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: and people who do anything to win. We'd be playing

607
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: whatever game it was, and they wouldn't like people talk

608
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: about bag borrow to do whatever it took to win

609
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: the game and lie about it, and I'm like, God, no,

610
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: this isn't how they sort even admit it, but it's true.

611
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Oh God, But you know what, it's so fun. I mean,

612
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm just getting it. You know, I'm a way different

613
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: generation than you are. And I'm a mother, right, so

614
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I've been a mom and i'm a grandma now. But

615
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm so loving hearing what it is that you have

616
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: and also the joy of family. I mean that family

617
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: is strong. You can laugh about it, you can call

618
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: each other. God, what are you doing? Do you lie

619
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: to you? This you that you're telling the truth about

620
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: love and that's what your family is all about. And

621
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: that's what I'm connotating. And it's another conversation and I

622
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: always go into this, but you really are an example

623
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: an exemplary family, and Daddy and mom were actually how

624
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: they raised you and and so forth. So anyway, I'm

625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: just really really excited about that. Speaking of that too.

626
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: So how important was your for your parents bringing in

627
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: Nigerian culture into how you were raised. It came over

628
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: in the seventies, yes, yeah, late seventies, early eighties, Nigerian culture.

629
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: It was both incidental and intentional. You come to America

630
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: from Nigeria with nothing, so you're going to gravitor, gravitate

631
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: toward that's which you know which or other Nigerians, and

632
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: so that was the incidental part. The intentional part was

633
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: continuing to remind us where our heritage lies. Each of us.

634
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: We all have a Nigerian name along with our American name. Chichi.

635
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: She's called Chichi because her her Nigerian name or Ebo

636
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Speaker 1: name is Chia Maka, so she and Ebo language it

637
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Speaker 1: means God. And so we each have a Nigerian name

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Speaker 1: along with our American name. And then beyond that, my

639
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Speaker 1: either every Christmas or every summer. So it was both

641
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Speaker 1: incidental and it was also intentional. What is your Nigerian name?

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Speaker 1: My Nigerian name is Chi ned Do. She ned Do.

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Speaker 1: It means God guid me. Sam's Isci who is like

644
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Speaker 1: and so there's no one like God. Stephanie's which means

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Speaker 1: God gives I love it and God is basically the

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647
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649
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Speaker 1: how you all four of you were raised. Yeah, and

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653
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657
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Speaker 1: but also some groups who are focused on helping try

661
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Speaker 1: And so we're trying to say, man, what can we

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Speaker 1: How did that rev up your excitement for the sport?

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Speaker 1: Did that have an effect? Also a manual for you.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like, oh, wait, my brother is getting

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Speaker 1: all of this sort of you know, attention, I'm good

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Speaker 1: at football, He's going to go to a college. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is motivating me even more. Yeah, well, thankfully Sam

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Speaker 1: kind set the blueprint. So again, our parts coming from

773
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Speaker 1: Nigeria to America. We don't know about sports in college.

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Speaker 1: We don't know about the recruiting process, like, we don't

775
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Speaker 1: know about anything. We're just playing a game. We happen

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Speaker 1: to be good at it. And you got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of like white people and black people being like, hey,

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Speaker 1: y'all could play at the next level. We're like, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? And so when Sam did it, he

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Speaker 1: I never worried about getting recruited because I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: if he can do it, I'll be able to do

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Speaker 1: it too. And then Sam always set the bar high,

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785
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Speaker 1: whatever he does and all be just fine. So we

786
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Speaker 1: were kind of flying by the seat of our pants,

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Speaker 1: if you will. And Sam was flying first, thankfully, and

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Speaker 1: I was just kind of like walking right in after. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways, yes, I was old.

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Speaker 1: Yes I was doing it first a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: but in a lot of ways I was following learning

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Speaker 1: for a manual. Here's what I mean by that. He

793
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Speaker 1: I'm out of been twelve or so, maybe nine, might

795
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Speaker 1: of scared, to be honest, to play. All right, these

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Speaker 1: And he played really well and he did that, did

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Speaker 1: it that year. So the next year I said, man,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to play. So the next year, I think

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Speaker 1: it might have been twelve or thirteen at a time,

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Speaker 1: We the reason we even got to that football camp,

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Speaker 1: let's go. And so it ended up being a family trip,

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Speaker 1: We showed up. We didn't know it was an invite

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Speaker 1: and not only that, it was their top three hundred camp.

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Speaker 1: So imagine the three hundred best players from the entire

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828
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Speaker 1: then okay, so now you guys are clearly getting a

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Speaker 1: see is crazy. In high school, you're really good students.

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Speaker 1: You go and you get accepted to University of Texas

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Speaker 1: EXUS and you both went to University of Texas. Correct.

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Speaker 1: So when when Sam Sam you went, was that I mean,

834
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835
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Speaker 1: Everyone else is gonna do it, and so showing up

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00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: But even when I got to campus, I was like, man,

847
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't really know if I belong here. I don't

848
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: really know if I belong here. There are guys who

849
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: were you know, they were the best at the biggest

850
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: high schools and the best high schools, and their parents

851
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: played and all these things. And so obviously, slowly but

852
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: surely I built my confidence. Emmanuel Sor it may be different.

853
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: I feel like you came in being like, hey, I'm

854
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: the new kid on the blog. I'm about to go

855
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and blow this whole thing up. Emmanuel. Yeah, I'm just

856
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: I'm probably naturally overly confident, and so by the time

857
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: I got to Texas, I was just like, I mean,

858
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm better, I'm ready for this even before we got

859
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: to So, like I would go, I'd have my gear, right,

860
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: my orange. Our team Collers were blue and gold, blue

861
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: and gold, very simple in high school and high school.

862
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: In high school, every blue and gold. So but in

863
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: college it's burn orange, right, And so I would have

864
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: my little burn orange sleeves, burn orange, you know, wristbands,

865
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: and I'd give him Emmanuel just because this dude was

866
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: rocking burnt orange everywhere everything. He was like, yeah, y'all

867
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: high schoolers, I'm good on y'all. I got I got

868
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: a bigger fist. Okay, wait, Sam, what did it feel

869
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: like that opening game, your first time running onto the

870
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: field at University of Texas? Well, it was. It definitely

871
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: felt surreal. I remember being on the on the kickoff team.

872
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: Anyone who knows sports that the first play of the

873
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: game is a kickoff, and I remember being on the

874
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: kickoff really the kickoff return team. So I'm the guy

875
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: who's trying to block some of the guys who are

876
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: running down on kickoff. And mind you, our high school,

877
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: we had eighty people in our graduating class, probably three

878
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: hundred people in the stands. Texas had one hundred thousand

879
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: people in the stands. So I remember being on the

880
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: kickoff return team and looking up in the stands and

881
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: being like, right, and that was I mean, just freaking out,

882
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: like this can't be real. I remember getting a recruiting

883
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: letter from Mac Brown, who was the head coach at

884
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: the time, and the letter it was was this letter

885
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: and it showed a picture of the stadium right packed

886
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people. I was in high school, hundred

887
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: thousand people. And you open it up and says, I

888
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: bet you can't wait to play in front of all

889
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: these fans. Oh my god, And I was like, I

890
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: don't want to play. It was real, and I mean,

891
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: god was so good. My first play ended up being

892
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,479
Speaker 1: a sack. I got a sack on the first play

893
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: on my first play in college, which is amazing, and

894
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean, so I got a chance to release some

895
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: of the pressure. But there definitely was this idea of Wow,

896
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: this is amazing, and this is what people do. Hey, wait,

897
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: we're not going to go over that that fast. So

898
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: you come into one hundred plus thousand people in the

899
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: stadium opening your first game, and your first play was sack. Yeah,

900
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: my first play wasn't sacking, so it wasn't It wasn't

901
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: the first game of the season, so my first play

902
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: wasn't until game three because I was supposed to red shirt.

903
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: So they're planned for me as a freshman with Hey, Sam,

904
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: we've got other guys who were gonna play. Don't don't worry.

905
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna sit out this season and we'll see what

906
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: happens from there. And I'm like, all right, cool, I'd

907
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: love to play, but hey, I get it. Well, week one,

908
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt. Said about Sam, you're still sitting out,

909
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: but stay ready, right, So I'm like, all right, I'm ready. Well,

910
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: week two, I don't play in a week two game. Well,

911
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: week three, our third game of season, we're playing TCU.

912
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: One guy was hurt, another guy was suspended, and so

913
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: we had about three guys and I was the fourth.

914
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: So my coach said, hey, Sam, just put it this way.

915
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: I know you're excited at this point. I'm eager, right,

916
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: He suspended. He's hurt. Put me in the game. He said, Sam,

917
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: don't bring your helmet like you can come on the field.

918
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: Do not even bring your helmet out of the locker room.

919
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but but but so I'm sitting on

920
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: the sideline hanging out. All of a sudden, one of

921
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: those three guys gets injured and the other guys know

922
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: where to be found. I guess he was tired on

923
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: the sideline or something. So just like, we need we

924
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: need a defensive man. We need a defensive man. And

925
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: he looks around, looks around, sho get in there, And

926
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't have an helmet, right, I don't,

927
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: but you told me not to bring I find a helmet,

928
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: I throw it on. I'm running on the field. What

929
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: do I do? What do I do? What's the play?

930
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: What's the play? They're like, just line up, get down.

931
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: So I get in my stance, not knowing what to do.

932
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: They say hut and and all of a sudden, the

933
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: red sea parted. Nobody blocks me, but don't tell anyone

934
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: that nobody blocks me. And I run. When I sacked

935
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, who actually us the quarterback for the Dallas

936
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys now but I sacked Andy Dawlton on my very

937
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: first play in college. I wasn't supposed to be out there.

938
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: Once again, I think you see the theme, right, I

939
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be out there, So I'm celebrating. I

940
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: got a sack. I'm like a many on now I'm

941
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: confident I'm the best in the world. Put me out there.

942
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I hear my coach, right, I

943
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: hear my coach saying, get off the field. I'm like,

944
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm running off, like coach, like a sack is good, right,

945
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: I know, I know football sacks are good things. So

946
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: I get I get off the field. Say coach, what happened?

947
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Did I mess up? He said? He said, no, Sam,

948
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: you didn't mess up, but you weren't supposed to be

949
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: out there. I said, what do you mean you call me?

950
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: He said, don't worry about it, and worry about it.

951
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: I'll deal with it with the head coach. Well, if

952
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: the head coach didn't want me to play at all

953
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: because he wanted to save me for the next season.

954
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: But since I had played, I lost my red shirt,

955
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, I was playing as

956
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: a freshman, and so that was the way right. So

957
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: that's what I mean by like, I may not have

958
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: been super confident, but God opened up doors for my

959
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: confidence to build. My first play running out on the

960
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: kickoff team, I made a tackle right once again, nobody

961
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: blocked me. I think you see the theme here. But

962
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: it was a really unbelievable experience. WHOA, that is a

963
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: great so good Okay, Emmanuel, I want to know what

964
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: your first experience was running on to the university, and

965
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, were you playing together? Yeah. So I actually

966
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to go to Texas. I wanted to go

967
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: to the University of Michigan because my junior year in

968
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: high school playing basketball with my brother, I was always

969
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: the younger brother and we were playing this our crosstown rival,

970
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: and whenever I would get the ball and dribble the

971
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: ball on the floor, the whole crowd would show shado shato,

972
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: just mocking that I lived in my brother's shadow. And

973
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: so when my brother went to Texas, I did not

974
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: want to go to Texas. I was going to go

975
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: all the way up north and play in Michigan. And

976
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting in Matt Brown's office with both of

977
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: my parents. I was the head coach in Texas. Both

978
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: my parents and my brother and the head coach. He's like, Emmanuel,

979
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: we're going to offer you a scholarship University of Texas.

980
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Want to commit and I look at him and I

981
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: just don't say anything because I didn't want to go

982
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: to Texas even though my parents wanted me to. Everybody did,

983
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: and so the head coach to set the scene. You

984
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: got to set the scene right like I had committed.

985
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: I was there. The Texas doesn't hand out scholarships anyone,

986
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: so I committed. This was the trip where Emmanuel was

987
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: going to commit. Right. Everyone thought he mad was gonna go,

988
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and I thought he was going to commit. My parents thought,

989
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: the coach, just thought. The coach's wife was there. Everyone was.

990
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: We drove three hours from Dallas to Austin for e

991
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Manual to commit. Now, mind you, I didn't care. I

992
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: would have loved to play with you, but I knew

993
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: you had other desires because that was the thought he

994
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: was gonna commit. So so just I wanted to set

995
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: the scene. It's kind of like being like a runaway bride.

996
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: It was like everything was set. I'm sitting there, but

997
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: nobody can't never force me to do anything. That's just

998
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: how I am. So when the head coach asked me,

999
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: do you want to commit? With my parents sitting there,

1000
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: I was just like I'm not saying yes, So I

1001
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: just stare at him blankly and he's like it's awkward,

1002
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: like a five second just awkward silence. And he's like, well,

1003
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: He's like, obviously you're not ready, so take some time

1004
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: and think about it. And I was like all right, thanks,

1005
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: and we leave. I have to drive back with my

1006
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: parents for three hours and they're just so disappointed, like

1007
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: we brought you all the way here to commit, How

1008
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: how dare you sit in these coaches office and even

1009
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: commits to what kind of mad ness is? And I'm

1010
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: sitting there for three hours and I was like, oh gosh,

1011
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: So finally I decided to go to the University of

1012
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Texas manual place. What were your because that was that

1013
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: was the cap, That was the goldie. That was the

1014
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: most awkward car ride I have ever ever been in.

1015
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: And mind you, mind you man, I'm cool. I'm like, hey,

1016
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: you want to go to text? You don't want to

1017
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: go to Texas? Right, I'm in the border back together

1018
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: like whatever. Parents didn't say a word for like the

1019
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: first two hours and then all of a sudden, I

1020
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: don't know who says up, but what was going through

1021
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: your mind on that on that three hours, on that

1022
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: on that car ride. Now, I was just like, I'm

1023
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: the one that has to go to the college, so

1024
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: nobody can force me to go to that college. And

1025
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: I was like, and I was so tired of being

1026
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: in my brother's shadow that I was just like, I

1027
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: don't feel like doing this for four more years, Like,

1028
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: let me just go do my own thing. But then

1029
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: after some convincing and thinking, I was like, the pol

1030
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: brothers Acho thing will be better. So Sam was wearing

1031
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: number eighty one in college. I decided to wear number

1032
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: eighteen so we can be palindrome, same numbers forward as backwards.

1033
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: And then kind of the rest was history. Oh that's great,

1034
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: that's so great. Great, you guys are so connected. So okay,

1035
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: so college amazing experiences. When do you get drafted? Sam,

1036
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you got drafted first? Correct? What was that

1037
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: draft day like for you guys? Yeah? For me, it

1038
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: was interesting because once again I so I finally got

1039
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: a chance to be the starter and the set records

1040
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: and do all the things right. I want Academic Cosmic Trophy.

1041
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: I was named one of the top twenty smartest athletes.

1042
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: I won all these awards in college, went to the

1043
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: National championship. All the things I thought were going to

1044
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: take me to the next level and be a first

1045
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: round draft pick, they were. I had done them in

1046
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I'd done them, and so I

1047
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: remember hearing from coaches. There's coach from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1048
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Sam, are you ready to be a Steeler?

1049
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, coach I am. A coach from the

1050
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: Raiders actually flew me in to visit and he said,

1051
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you're flew me in and a few

1052
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: other players, and after the visit they said, hey, you

1053
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: outdid all the other players. You're going to be our

1054
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: second round pick because we don't have a first round pick.

1055
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: If we had a first, you'd be a first You're

1056
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: going to be our second round pick. If not, you'll

1057
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: be our third round pick of the latest. So in

1058
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, okay, okay, cool, I'm the set.

1059
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: And I remember Thursday was Day one of the draft,

1060
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: and nobody called right round one Day one, nobody called.

1061
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool. Friday is rounds two and three,

1062
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: and everyone had told me I was going to be

1063
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: a top three round pick. So Friday was my day,

1064
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: right Friday. I mean I was dressed to impress, I

1065
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: was fow was ready, invited friend's family over, and nobody

1066
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: called scratch. That one person called on Friday, towards the

1067
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: end of the third round. It was my agent. So

1068
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: imagine you're getting a call while the draft is going

1069
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: on by your agent. I'm thinking, okay, this is this

1070
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: is my time getting signed. The Baltimore Raven threw upt

1071
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: to Pick and Miju. They had interviewed me as well

1072
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: something I'm going to be your rape to pick up. Hey,

1073
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? And we're kind of small talk,

1074
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: small talk, small talking. My family's freaking out because my

1075
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: agent calls and after a little bit of not hearing anything,

1076
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, well, what's the news. What team am

1077
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: I going to? And he said, oh, Sam, I don't

1078
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: have any news for you. I was just calling to

1079
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: see if you heard anything. Oh God, devastated, devastating, right devastated.

1080
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: And so I remember that night not knowing if I

1081
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: was going to even play in the NFL at all.

1082
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 1: After that night because I said, okay, there's seven rounds

1083
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: in the draft. Everyone told me I was going to

1084
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: be in the top three. Everyone coaches, scouts, players, teammates,

1085
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: and so I remember actually just praying that night, crying,

1086
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: crying and praying and saying, God, just give me an opportunity.

1087
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I don't care about the fame

1088
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: or the money or the women. I don't I just

1089
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: want to I just want to bring your name. I

1090
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: want to make you famous. Just give me a chance.

1091
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't care if I get drafted. I don't care

1092
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: if I or am a free agent. Just give me

1093
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: an opportunity, give me a tryout. I remember is saying

1094
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: Amen in my tears. Waking up the next morning, which

1095
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: was the last day of the draft, fourth through seventh round,

1096
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: and you know, we ordered some food. We're praying for

1097
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: our food as a family. Right, No one really came

1098
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: that day. All the friends had went home. We said amen.

1099
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: We set amen the phone ring and on our we

1100
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: had just got this collar id and so on the

1101
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: collar ide it showed Arizona Cardinals. Right, so the Arizona

1102
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals phone rings. I pick up the phone and it's

1103
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: it's Michael Bidwell. The owner of the team, and he says, Sam,

1104
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. We were surprised you you flew this

1105
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: sell this far down. Are you ready to be a cardinal?

1106
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: And I say, and at this one, I'm a little

1107
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: bit kind of dejected, still not really sure. I'm like, yeah,

1108
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm definitely ready to be a cardinal. Would love the opportunity.

1109
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: Mind you, I had heard so many people say they

1110
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: were going to pick me, so I wasn't gonna believe

1111
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: anything at this point. I said, yeah, I'm sure I'm

1112
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: ready to be a cardinal. He said, okay, great, Well,

1113
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I'm going to hang up. I'm gonna

1114
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: call the NFL league office and tell him you're going

1115
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: to be our draft pick. And I'm like, hey, but

1116
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: I didn't say yes. I said, hey, guys, I've heard

1117
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: stories of people saying they're going to draft someone and

1118
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: not really drafting them. So it's okay if I just

1119
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: stay on the line with you until I see my

1120
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: name called on the TV. They said, Sam, They said, Sam, Sam, Sam,

1121
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: here's the deal. We need to hang up so we

1122
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: can tell Roger Goodell, the commissioner of the NFL, that

1123
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: we're picking you. So trust me, we'll call back, And

1124
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: I say, all right, sure, So I hang up the

1125
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: phone and Blue balld. I did to get drafted by

1126
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: the Arizon the Cardinals in the fourth round, but it

1127
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: was definitely one of those moments that felt surreal in

1128
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but definitely there was you know,

1129
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: mixed emotions, joy, fear, excitement, all things, all of it. Yeah,

1130
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: it is. It's a it's a testament to character. You know,

1131
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: we all experience something like that at some point in

1132
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: our life. Doesn't matter who you are, where you come from,

1133
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: what your background is, you know you're you're going to

1134
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: hit those moments. Yeah. I've been told many times that

1135
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: I was when I asked for something like a little raise,

1136
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: or we were dancing in Puerto Rico at the Condado

1137
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Beach Hotel and I said, you know, I was chosen

1138
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: to be the one to ask for more money. Well,

1139
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: we're dancers and we work really hard. I mean, we

1140
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: sweat every night at the club. We really should be

1141
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: getting more money. I said. You are ugly. You are

1142
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: an ugly woman. You are not going to make anything

1143
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: in your life. I said, but I'm just really asking

1144
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: if we could get a little more than the singers

1145
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: because they don't really like work that hard. So I

1146
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: got on a plane and led Puerto Rico and the

1147
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: Candada Beach Hotel and I went back to New York. Oh,

1148
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: thanks so much. You know, you know, you learn to

1149
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: deal with that like stuff. So, Emmanuel, what was that

1150
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: like for you? And your brother goes to the Cardinals.

1151
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: Now you have a successful Longhorn's career, and what was

1152
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: your draft experience. I'm sure you're going to say you

1153
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: were ready for it and you knew it was going

1154
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: to happen. And no, after watching my brother, I realized,

1155
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: don't trust anybody. And that's kind of what my brother

1156
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: told me. He was like, look, go into the draft

1157
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: with no expectations. Now I vividly remember I think my

1158
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: brother was drafted with pick one oh three or one

1159
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: pick one oh three. And so after my brother got drafted,

1160
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: I told myself, Okay, I have one more year, get

1161
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: drafted pick one oh two, like whatever you do? Beat

1162
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: your brother and where he got drafted? Oh god, but

1163
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: Adam at the NFL combine essentially the interview, the draft interview,

1164
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: I tear my quad off the bone while running the

1165
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: forty yard dash. No, and so yeah, as I'm running,

1166
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: I hear like, boom boom, boom boom. I think it's

1167
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: my heels clicking, and it's really my quad being torn

1168
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: off the bone. And after I hear the sound of

1169
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: it tearing, I keep trying to run through it. Well,

1170
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: I was supposed to get drafted between the third and

1171
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: the fifth after tearing my quad, you don't know what's

1172
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,479
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I end up getting drafted in the sixth

1173
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: rounds of the Cleveland Browns, and I was like, I

1174
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: don't even know where Cleveland is on a mat, and

1175
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: the Browns have been like historically terrible. So I'm like,

1176
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Cleveland and I don't know where

1177
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: it is and they're terrible, which happens to be my

1178
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: youngest son's favorite team. I don't know how it happens.

1179
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: He's going to grow up with massive resilience of the

1180
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: most resilient human beings in the world, and incredibly low expectation,

1181
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: So kudos him. Everything he accomplishes in life will be

1182
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: a celebration. And so I ended up going to Cleveland,

1183
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: and I was torn because I'm like, I'm in the

1184
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: sixth round and I'm going to Cleveland. I was happy

1185
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: to be drafted, but it was it was a moment

1186
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: of mixed emotions, right, and then and then where did

1187
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: you live? I go from Cleveland. I get traded from

1188
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: Cleveland to Philly, and you think you can only get

1189
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: traded in a video game. Like I get called into

1190
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: the general manager and head coach's office and he's like, ah, Joe, hey,

1191
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know we're trading you

1192
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm trying not to smile. Okay, Well,

1193
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: in the owner's office of the You're like, thank god,

1194
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: let me the heck up, like anywhere but here. And

1195
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: I go to Philly three hours later because I booked

1196
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: your flight. You got to get there in three hours.

1197
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: They put me in a hotel. I end up sleeping

1198
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: on Nick Foles's couch Super Bowl MDP of just a

1199
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: few years ago, close friend of mine. And then I

1200
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: stay in Philly the rest of my career, essentially fantastic.

1201
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: And Sam, you stayed at the Cardinals and then you

1202
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: went and you played play. I sayd to the Cardinals

1203
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: for four years and then about thirty I thought I

1204
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: was going to be a Cardinal for life. Right, everyone

1205
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: said man, Sam, the team loves you, the owner loves you,

1206
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: the owner's wife loved everybody loves you. I couldn't be

1207
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: the Cardinal for life. Well, my third year on the team,

1208
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I ended up starting as a rookie III tied the

1209
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: sack record for the as a rookiear second year, I

1210
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: start thirty year. Third game of the season, We're playing

1211
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints. I just sat Drew Brees for

1212
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: my first sack of the year, and then a few

1213
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: plays later, I break my leg out for the season.

1214
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Out for the season. At that point, I was okay,

1215
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: Am I still going to be a CARDINALI just had

1216
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: a new coach and so a lot of guys had

1217
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: gotten released. They had all these new guys, and so

1218
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: recover from that the next year. Well after that, I

1219
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: played fourth. After that fourth year with the team, I

1220
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: went to the Chicago Bears. Played the next four years

1221
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: with the Bears, and then last year I was with

1222
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1231
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1233
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Speaker 1: this is one thing I noticed. I said to my

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Speaker 1: mom before we were talking, Sam, I looked at your

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Speaker 1: book and I said, you know what I love about

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Speaker 1: this the most, other than of course the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is how you chose to underline who you are. And

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Speaker 1: you are a motivational storyteller, humanitarian and an NFL linebacker.

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Speaker 1: And I loved that because you're basically saying that you

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Speaker 1: choose you know, it's not to say that your football

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Speaker 1: career isn't so important to you, but your purpose. And

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Speaker 1: my mom always says, it's not who you are, it's

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Speaker 1: it's what you do. No, are, it's not what you do? Right? No,

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Speaker 1: But then you say, it's not who you are who

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Speaker 1: you are, No, it's what you do. You say, it's

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Speaker 1: not who you are, it's who you choose to be.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, we got it. Who you was, it's

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Speaker 1: not who you were yesterday. But then but you are,

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Speaker 1: and it's all okay. It's I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: And what I love about this is we've spent all

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Speaker 1: this time talking about you know, where you come from,

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Speaker 1: your family, your football careers, but now you're really you're

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Speaker 1: in your thirties, your early thirties, and you're entering your

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Speaker 1: life and your and your journey is going to be

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Speaker 1: a powerful one. And I feel we both clearly feel

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Speaker 1: very honored to speak to both of you about this. Emmanuel,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about how uncomfortable conversations with a black man

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Speaker 1: came about. One, I think it's you know, amazing that

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Speaker 1: this is something that you're doing. And two, we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about it before we got on the zoom is.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like the way that you wrote your book

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: is something that should be taught in schools because you

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Speaker 1: just lay it out, especially how you've structured the book

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Speaker 1: with the chapters. It's super clear, it's very concise. Where

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Speaker 1: where did it start. So, after the murder of George

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Speaker 1: Floyd and Kate, I realize I have to do something. Emmanuelacho.

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Speaker 1: He he's a sports analyst, but before that, he's a

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Speaker 1: black man. But before that, he's a human being. And

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Speaker 1: it is my job to positively contribute to society. And

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Speaker 1: so I realized Kate that there is a communication difference

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Speaker 1: between white people and black people. Well, what do you

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01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: mean in America? Y'all speak English? No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: There is a communication difference based on your color and

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Speaker 1: your culture. See Kate. In high school, I took six

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Speaker 1: years of Spanish, but I was never fluent in Spanish.

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Speaker 1: Because I wasn't immersed in Spanish culture. I have some

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Speaker 1: Spanish speaking friends. I know you better believe I love

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Speaker 1: some Spanish music, even though how to salsa dance, But

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Speaker 1: I wasn't immersed in Spanish culture, so I'm not fluent.

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Speaker 1: The issue, Kate is at white people. They haven't been

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Speaker 1: immersed in black culture, so they don't really know how

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Speaker 1: to communicate with black people and black people they haven't

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Speaker 1: necessarily been immersed in white culture. So I realized Goldie

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Speaker 1: and Kate that the issue at hand is you have

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Speaker 1: white people saying something and black people don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: You have black people saying, hey, we're oppressed, Hey, systemic racism, Hey,

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Speaker 1: racial injustice, Hey, redlining, and white people like, what do

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Speaker 1: you mean that Jim Crow laws were outlied sixty years ago?

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Speaker 1: What if slavery doesn't exist? What do you mean oppression?

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Speaker 1: And there's a communication barrier, And so I preemptively said,

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Speaker 1: let me answer these questions that I know white people

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Speaker 1: have because I grew up with these white people, and

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Speaker 1: I heard the murmurs of well, why can't I say

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Speaker 1: the N word? I mean, black people say it all

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Speaker 1: the time. White privilege isn't real okay, but what about

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Speaker 1: black on black crime in Chicago? Like I heard the question,

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Speaker 1: so I said, let me preemptively answer them, because this

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Speaker 1: will really start the bridge towards reconciliation. So what was

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Speaker 1: your first go into this? Was it starting with the show?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how did you start to create the actual dialogue?

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Speaker 1: Who did you call? First? Great question? First person I

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Speaker 1: called was Rachel Lindsay, the first black bachelorette, and I said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I have an idea. We have to do something. Let's

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Speaker 1: call it questions white people have. We'll get three white

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Speaker 1: people around the table, three black people around the table,

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Speaker 1: and Goldie. The white people will pull out a piece

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Speaker 1: of paper. They'll ask the questions to the black people. Kate,

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Speaker 1: the black people will respond, we'll start a dialogue. Well,

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Speaker 1: the problem we're in the middle of a pandemic, so

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get everybody together. So I said, Okay, my

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Speaker 1: white friend of female, she'll just drive down to Austin.

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Speaker 1: She will ask me the questions. Remember, Kate, uncomfortable conversations

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Speaker 1: with the black man, not uncomfortable monologue with the black man.

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Speaker 1: The first episode was not supposed to be by myself,

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Speaker 1: but my white friend at the last minute, she had

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01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: a change of heart. Goldie. So now an hour and

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Speaker 1: six minutes before I'm in the studio. My white friend

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Speaker 1: is crying. I can't do this, Emmanuel, I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: They want to see you, not me. I'm like, uh oh,

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Speaker 1: I gotta do it myself. I go into the studio, Kate.

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Speaker 1: I put my head down, I say three, two and

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Speaker 1: on one, Goldie, I open up my eyes. I stare

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Speaker 1: into the heart of the camp. I'm a Nine minutes

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Speaker 1: twenty seven seconds later, the first episode had been done.

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Speaker 1: We didn't edit, we didn't cut, we didn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Not an elaborate producer, Kate. It was a wedding for

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Speaker 1: the videographer who got it. My best friend, an Olympic

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 1: gold medalist in track. She stood in as my producer

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Speaker 1: after the first episode. Six days later, I get a

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Speaker 1: call from a no caller ID number a Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: eight thirty five. I pick it up. A cho McConaughey here.

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Speaker 1: I want to have a conversation. MCA like, Matthew MCAA, yeah,

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: he's got every Longhorn on Google alerts, you know every

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: get this McConaughey, and I like, you weren't friends. So

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 1: many people think like, oh, you'll have a Longhorn connection.

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've never. I've talked to him twice in passing,

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: so it's like, I want to have a conversation. I'm like, cool,

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: I'll do episode two and four days. Let's do it tomorrow.

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01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 1: McConaughey wants to do it tomorrow. We do it tomorrow.

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: So episode two we do that the next day. Then

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like I see Jennifer Aniston had

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 1: shared the video and Reese Witherspoon had reached out, and

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what is going on here? So now

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01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: I got another call from a no call ready number.

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01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey. Hey, Emmanuel, I love what you're doing. I'd

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01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: love to sit down on FaceTime with you. So we

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01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 1: sit down on FaceTime for forty five minutes. Then I'm like, hey, Oprah,

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: I want to write a book. She's like books, I

1417
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: love books. She says, isn't she the greatest? Don't you

1418
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: love her so much? She's an amazing friend, partner, mentor

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01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: on all of this. And that is how Uncomfortable Conversations

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: with a Black man came about. So and you basically

1421
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: channeled about nine and a half minutes of your heart

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: of what was telling you that you wanted to express,

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, And by the way, I grew up in

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01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: the sixties. Okay, So when I say I grew up,

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01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: it was really the fifties. I was born in nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty five. So I saw a lot of things, a

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of things in my own town where I was

1428
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: a little girl looking at you can't drink in this

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: water fountain. White's only color is not allowed, and I

1430
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: was little, but hurt me so much. There is that

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01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: part of me that cannot handle and I can almost

1432
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: become tongue tied to why people are so full of hate?

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01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: And you know, this is something that I feel, so

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01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: I guess inspired by what you're doing. And at the

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: same time, I have lived through so much anger and

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: hate and killing and hanging and abuse and all of

1437
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: these things. And you know, it's been years and years

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: of thinking that we made some victory. And I'm looking

1439
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: at what's happening and how we're dealing with this, and

1440
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that just looks at this

1441
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: and says, we have come a long way, but we're

1442
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: not far enough. And how do we change the mindset

1443
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: of people to understand that we are people. That's it,

1444
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. And how do we help regenerate

1445
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: some of these areas that white supremacy has actually taken

1446
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: and made not so possible. If you know what I mean.

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01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: I work in schools. I have a program in schools

1448
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: right now. How do we create racial justice? How do

1449
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: we help our children understand I am I'm opening my

1450
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: heart to you. I would say one thing, very simply.

1451
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 1: I would say that proximity it breeds care, and the

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: distance it breeds fear. Again, we talked about being caught

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01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: and being taught. You can't teach someone something if you

1454
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: do not expose them to the very thing in which

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 1: you're trying to teach them about. Let me elaborate in

1456
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. I told you all were first generation Americans.

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Speaker 1: So we didn't grow up in our household with any animals, Goldie,

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01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: we didn't grow up with any dogs, Kate, and so

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: as a thirty year old man now, but walking through

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Speaker 1: a dog park, I'm like, oh, my gosh, you'll give

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: that cute little animal and my friend will be like, no, no, no,

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: it has rabies, and then we'll keep walking. I'm like, oh,

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: that dog looks dangerous and they go up and pet it.

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: See Kate and Goldie. Because I didn't grow up exposed

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01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 1: to dogs, I can't decipher between a dog that is

1466
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: a pet and a dog that is a thread. In

1467
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: the same manner, if white people don't grow up exposed

1468
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: to black people in black culture, they won't be able

1469
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: to decipher between a black person that might just be

1470
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: cold and has this hood on or someone that's mischievous

1471
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: a black person. If they don't go up with white people, Kate,

1472
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: they can't decipher between the white person that is racist

1473
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: and the white person that is racially ignorant. So, Goldie,

1474
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: if we have intention but we have no direction, then

1475
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: it is completely voidant without meaning. So how can we

1476
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:26,480
Speaker 1: impact the next generation. It's not enough to outlaws segregation.

1477
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: You need to mandate integration. And I don't say that often,

1478
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: but it's actually true. It's not enough to outlaw segregation,

1479
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: which we did in the nineteen sixties and whatnot. We

1480
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: have to mandate integration. And if we're not going to

1481
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: mandate integration with our nation, then you have to choose

1482
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: to mandate integration within your household. And I think that

1483
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: is the next step that must occur if we really

1484
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: want to make a change this generation is going to do.

1485
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 1: Can you elaborate on what you mean by then? Yeah?

1486
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: So if you grow up in your white household and

1487
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: your white cold de sac, and you go to your

1488
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: white place of worship and your white schools and your

1489
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: white sports teams, well, how are you going to be

1490
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: surprised when you're older and you don't know about black culture?

1491
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: When you're older and you go to touch a black

1492
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: woman's hair and she snaps on you because you never

1493
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: learned that's something you don't do. How do you know, like, yeah,

1494
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't say, Oh, you don't even talk like

1495
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: you're black? Kay? If you don't, if you're not exposed

1496
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: to something, then how do you learn about that thing?

1497
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: You learn about it on TV? Let me give you

1498
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: an example. When our relatives from Nigeria come to America.

1499
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: She Neado called me by my Nigerian name, She ned

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01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: do where is these casinos? Where are they see? We're

1501
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: in Dallas. We're in Dallas, aunty, Okay, where is this

1502
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: Hollywood sign? No? No, no, we're in Dallas. You see.

1503
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: They don't know about America, so they think what America

1504
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: is what they see on TV. If you aren't exposed

1505
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: Kate two black people, then you're gonna think it is

1506
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: what you see in hip hop culture. So when I

1507
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: say integration within your household, sports, leagues, on places of worship, temple, church,

1508
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 1: where as small groups like we have to do a

1509
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: better job of intentionally educating ourselves and our cultures. My

1510
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: coach always used to tell me, Goldie, don't be like

1511
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: water because water takes the easiest route. If you pour

1512
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: water on the ground, it'll just take the past the

1513
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: least resistance. And that's what so many people in America do.

1514
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, it's not my fault, Like I

1515
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: live in this neighborhood. It's not my fault that black

1516
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: people aren't here. It's not my fault that black people

1517
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: don't go to this school. It's not my fault that

1518
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: black people don't go to this church. We can't be

1519
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: like water because it will take the easiest route. Right,

1520
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: That's the only way if we're being real about how

1521
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: do we solve racial reconciliation, Goldie, that's the only way

1522
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: you can Because Goldie, there's no way that white people,

1523
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 1: generally speaking, the large subsect of white people not individuals,

1524
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 1: but white people can change their perception of a group

1525
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: unless they actually interact with said group. I can't change

1526
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: my perception of something until I interact with something. It's

1527
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: not until I still to spending times at my friend's

1528
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: houses that have dogs and I'm like, oh, this dog

1529
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: is kind of cute, and all of a sudden, I'm

1530
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: petting it like giving it eskimo kisses. I'm like, who

1531
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 1: am I? What am I doing? But it's not until

1532
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: I have like exposure to something that I can truly change.

1533
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: Well well, because you integrated into your heart, into your life,

1534
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: and into your knowledge, and it becomes something that has

1535
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: become identified a viable with yourself. As my mother used

1536
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: to say, you know where there's a colorblind, we don't

1537
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: look at any of that stuff. And that's how I

1538
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 1: grew up. So that I think is something you know again,

1539
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, look the uncomfortable conversation. I think that that

1540
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: saying your color blind is something that I don't even

1541
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: know what that means for me, because it's like, we

1542
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: do have different color skins, and your experience, you know,

1543
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 1: what you experience as a black man in America couldn't

1544
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: be more different. Based on the fact that we do

1545
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: have different color skins, and based on what you know,

1546
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: the foundation of systemic racism, what our country was built upon.

1547
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: You can't fix a problem that you don't know exists.

1548
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: I've said this sopra before. It denial spelled d e

1549
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: ni al don't even know I am lying. And you

1550
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: can't fix the problem you don't exist. So in order

1551
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: to fix this issue k in Goldie, first we have

1552
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: to get everyone to acknowledge it does in fact exist.

1553
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 1: After getting them said person to acknowledge, hey, systemic racism

1554
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: and injustice does exist. If a black person and a

1555
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 1: white person have an equal resume, the person with the

1556
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: white sounding name is twice as likely to get a job.

1557
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: It's not a manualotal's opinion. Empirical data backs that up

1558
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 1: and studies show that. So now that you understand that,

1559
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: what can we do to fix it? Yeah? I agree

1560
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: with you, I mean on many in many areas. What

1561
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: I like about what you're doing right now is bringing

1562
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: awareness to the conversation, opening up the conversation, and making

1563
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 1: it difficult conversations because they are they are difficult, and

1564
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guilt. There's so many things in

1565
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: terms of all of these people are feeling and you know,

1566
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: I including myself, which is an inability to really understand

1567
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 1: how to create this. And this is where we are

1568
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: working right now, because our children are the ones that

1569
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: need to actually start learning these kind of things rather

1570
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: than trying to be intervention. Prevention is what we want.

1571
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: We want to prevent a different way. We want to

1572
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 1: create a new way of thinking and a different way

1573
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 1: of acting. What do we do? And I honor you

1574
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: for saying, I'm gonna I'm going to start with conversations.

1575
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to start talking about it, and I don't

1576
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: care what you ask me. We're going to work on

1577
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: it together. If you could each leave our listeners with

1578
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 1: one piece of advice or one uncomfortable question, they should

1579
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: ask themselves. What would it be. I would simply say,

1580
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: to my white brothers and sisters listening, if I say

1581
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: that you have white privilege, how did that make you feel?

1582
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 1: See I pause for a second to let that digest

1583
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: and soak that in again. Let me say that that's

1584
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: my uncomfortable question. Here is the statement I would leave

1585
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: them with. Understanding privilege is a gateway to understanding and

1586
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: bringing forth reconciliation. Kate. I was walking down the streets

1587
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills the other day and I walked into

1588
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: a restaurant and I ordered my meal, and they said, Emmanuel,

1589
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: I love your show, your video series. Your meal is

1590
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: on me. See that meal wasn't free because I was black.

1591
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't free because I'm six to two. It was

1592
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: free because I have famous person privilege. That person knew

1593
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: who I was, so I was granted special access. Privilege

1594
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: is just simply immunity from something, or access granted to something.

1595
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: What is the word that precedes privilege? So when talking

1596
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: about white privilege, it's just saying it's not saying your

1597
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 1: life hasn't been hard. It's saying your skin color hasn't

1598
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: contributed to the difficulty in your life. As a white person.

1599
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: Your life, for sure has more than likely been hard,

1600
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: as all our lives have, but their skin color hasn't

1601
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 1: contributed to that difficulty. So if I can leave someone

1602
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: with one statement, it would be to say, understand you

1603
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: have privilege and do something with it. I'm sponsored by

1604
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: a company because of who I am, they give me

1605
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: a celebrity card to their company. I can eat there

1606
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: for free. Whenever I want. But with that card, I

1607
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: can also throw a party for up to one hundred

1608
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: and card. Because of that card, I throw that party

1609
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: for the homeless every year. Because of that privilege, I'm

1610
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: granted a certain card that allows me to have access

1611
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,959
Speaker 1: to something. But what do I do with my privilege?

1612
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: So I would leave your listeners with this, understand that

1613
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: you have privilege, what are you doing with it for

1614
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: the benefit of those around you? Yeah, and a statement

1615
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: I would give the piece of advice going on as

1616
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: to full example, because there's a chapter of my book

1617
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: for Chipotle which people have been saying that's the favorite chapter.

1618
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: What I would say is this, and I'll what I

1619
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: would say is this. I would say, each and every

1620
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: one of us, this kind of lodes to the whole

1621
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: point and purpose of my book. Right let the world

1622
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 1: see you how to be real in a world full

1623
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: of fakes. Each and every one of us have something

1624
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: that we can bring to the table. For some of

1625
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: it's it's this uh candor, this desire to have an

1626
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: uncomfortable conversation. For some of us, it's our heart right,

1627
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: this emotion, this love that we have. For others of us,

1628
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: it's the ability to entertain, to work hard. Right. Each

1629
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 1: of us have something we can bring to the table.

1630
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: For me, I believe it's my smile in a lot

1631
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: of ways. I remember in that chapter for Chipotle. I

1632
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 1: remember being an Arizona Cardinal going into Chipotle, and I

1633
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't no one knew I played for the team. But

1634
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: I went in there every week because I love Chipotle.

1635
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: Who doesn't And I go in there every week and

1636
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: I would talk to the to the people who work there,

1637
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: talk to the staff, and go in and go out.

1638
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: Didn't think too much of it. One day, I think

1639
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I am Manuel might have been in town that we

1640
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: can We had just finished the workout, and I was sweaty,

1641
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: and I was melly, and I was dirty and all

1642
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 1: the things. I just wanted to swing into Chipotle, get

1643
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: some food and get out. Well, this day I walked

1644
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: into Chipotle and I started my order, and and all

1645
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: of a sudden, as I'm ordering my food, I got noticed.

1646
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: I got noticed. And K, you may understand what it's

1647
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: like to be noticed, Gold, do you understand what it's

1648
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: like to be noticed? The manual? Right? Even people listening

1649
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,879
Speaker 1: to be noticed when you don't want to be noticed.

1650
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm walking and ordering my food. Let me

1651
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 1: get to burrito please with some rice, some black beans,

1652
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 1: and going on and said, hey, are you do you

1653
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: play football? I'm like, yeah, do you buy? Have my text? Football?

1654
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: Train on? All right? But moving on, let me get uh,

1655
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: let me get some double chicken sour cream. Hey, did

1656
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: you play at Texas? Yeah? I did? I did well. Okay,

1657
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: let me get some hot sauce and let me get

1658
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: some of that the lettuce and wualk, what do you

1659
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: do now? I played football? All right? Let me go

1660
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: get some chips, let me get I want to pay.

1661
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: Wait are you sa macho? And at this point I

1662
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: got my card out. I'm ready to pay, get in,

1663
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: get out, and just please don't ask any more questions.

1664
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: And so he says, you say I'm macho. I say, yes,

1665
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm Sam Macho. At this point, I feel like I've

1666
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: been discovered. Sweat stayings it all right? And he stops

1667
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: and no he didn't ask for an autograph. No, he

1668
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 1: didn't ask for a picture. He encouraged me, He said, Sam,

1669
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: you come in here all the time, and each and

1670
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: every time you come in here, you encourage us, You smile,

1671
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 1: You're so nice to each every one of our staff members.

1672
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: There's this thing that we have called a Chipotle card

1673
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: where you get free burritos for a year. We would

1674
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: love to nominate you for this car. All of a sudden, Goldie,

1675
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Hey, I had all the time

1676
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: in the world, all the time. The long was I

1677
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: had arrest and longer was I ready to get in

1678
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: to get out? I said, okay, well, what do you need?

1679
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm ready. What do you need? What do you need

1680
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: for me? Said that all we need is your number.

1681
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: I said, okay, what my phone number, my football number,

1682
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: my social Security number, whatever number you need, I will

1683
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: give it to you for this car. Right and fast forward.

1684
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: All they needed, by the grace of God, is my

1685
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: phone number. I gave him my phone number. I got

1686
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 1: a call from a guy named Kennedy who was the

1687
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: regional director of marketing for Chipotle. You sat down for

1688
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: a meal, and a few months later I got the

1689
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: coved in Chipotle card. And I tell that story to

1690
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 1: say that what I had to bring that to that time,

1691
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: to that event, it wasn't my status, it wasn't my celebrity.

1692
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: It was my smile, It was my kindness, It was

1693
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: my empathy, and that empathy, that kindness, Me being me

1694
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: opened up a door that I could have never imagined

1695
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: would have been opened up. Got a chance to buy

1696
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: burritos for friends, for family, for for random people who

1697
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: were behind me in line. I through Brito parties for veterans,

1698
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Brito parties for police officers, right because of I was

1699
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,799
Speaker 1: being me. I was being me, I was I was smiling,

1700
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 1: I was loving people. Right. And so my piece of

1701
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: advice is be you. To anybody listening, I would say,

1702
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 1: be you. Let the world see you, not the hiding,

1703
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: not the mask, not the fear, not the insecurity. Right,

1704
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 1: all of you, right, So there could be ups, there

1705
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: could be downs. Right, bring all of you to bear,

1706
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: because when you do, three things will happen. God will

1707
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: get the glory, the people around you will benefit, and

1708
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 1: the world around you will thrive. And you are authentic.

1709
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:08,919
Speaker 1: You're authentic, yes, okay. One word to describe your relationship unbreakable,

1710
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: And I said type okay, according to your parents, what

1711
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 1: would they say, who broke the rules the most? I

1712
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: mean man, Yeah, clearly Emanuel. And then who is the

1713
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: one who was like, Okay, I'm going to take care

1714
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: of everything. I'm the sibling that's like going to figure

1715
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: out what we're all doing and who's going where and

1716
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: what we're all going to play today. Stephanie Okay, And

1717
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: she still does that. She's like planning the vacations. She's like, no,

1718
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: this is absolutely, absolutely okay. And then who's the one

1719
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: who was just down for everything? Sam? I think it's

1720
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: probably you. I think you just kind of I feel

1721
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: like I was a peace maker in a lot of ways.

1722
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: So I was, okay, Emanuel, you might have your thing, Chichi,

1723
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: you might have your thing. Stephanie, I just can we

1724
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: just sing out? Sing out? Who cares what we do

1725
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: where we go? I just want to hang. I just

1726
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 1: want to hang. I mean even well we were younger, man,

1727
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: you and I would play basketball all the time. It's

1728
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: little kids just had a little hoop outside and and

1729
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: I was a bigger kid and I was older, so

1730
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: I'd usually be winning in the games. I was just

1731
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 1: throw that out there, and any man, you will get

1732
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: mad and just go inside and not want to play,

1733
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I just I just want to play.

1734
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I just want to you know what I mean. And

1735
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: so I was the one who really just wanted to hang,

1736
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Like I really didn't have too much of an agenda,

1737
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: just wanted to hang out. Music you listened to on

1738
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: repeat as kids, Nigerian and gospel. Oh really, is there

1739
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: one song that is just like one song? It's Kids No.

1740
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: One artist Kirk Franklin. But not necessarily like one song.

1741
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: There is a song I remember. I don't even know

1742
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 1: who sang. It's Swiss the Nigerian song man. You remember

1743
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: this one? It just played in the car. It was

1744
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: like this whole in the Nigerian So I may say, gee,

1745
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,560
Speaker 1: ho byes your name? That song came on red in

1746
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 1: the car. It just case. I don't know who's whose artists,

1747
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who, but uh, you know, so that's

1748
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: a song. I remember. Who is more competitive in high school?

1749
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably a tie. Yeah, probably, Yeah, I

1750
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: prosed up Sam bro for example. Sam has our high

1751
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: school shop but record. I have our high school discus record.

1752
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: He set them both. I broke one. I felt four

1753
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: inches short on the other. So that's probably it's probably

1754
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: a tie. Who would be more competitive in charades? Yeah,

1755
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: we're competitive. We're competitive. Ye, we're competitive in different ways.

1756
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: And Manuel, I don't know that. People don't think I'm

1757
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 1: super competitive. But I'm the guy who's like, we might

1758
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: be like jogging and I'm like I gotta get there,

1759
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you know. So we're competitive in different ways. All right.

1760
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: Who's more musical? Me? By far, Emmanuel's more musical. What

1761
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: is your most annoying habit? What? But your brother? Like?

1762
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Does your brother have an annoying habit? Oh? This could

1763
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,560
Speaker 1: be growing up Sam? I know you know I have

1764
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 1: some Uh. Sam's most annoying habit? He's long winded. Oh

1765
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: I am that's my issue. I would say your most

1766
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: annoying habit, And it's I feel like you're so direct,

1767
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: like you don't even care about people's feelings at times. Right,

1768
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like, hey, bro, like empathize, like

1769
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: walk with me a little bit. But he's like no, no, boom,

1770
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 1: straight to it, which is a positive, but also it's like,

1771
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: come on, man, like, give me some grace here, dude.

1772
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 1: That's the greatest partnership of all Yeah, it really is.

1773
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's great. Right now, who would win in

1774
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: a race? I would because your knees jacked up? Yeah?

1775
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: Probably Sam, he's trained more recently. Yeah, if your brother

1776
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: could live on one food forever? What would it be Sam,

1777
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: I'd say rice and stew for Sam like a Nigerian pa. Yes,

1778
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: always had like yes, I don't know if I'm off,

1779
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: say like some vegetables, you're being healthy than a love.

1780
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you're like steamed vegetables and houses of salmon.

1781
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,240
Speaker 1: So you're so Emmanuel, you like you go. If you

1782
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: have a cocktail, it's like it's like straight tequila or

1783
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 1: something like. You don't. I've never drank. Oh, I've never

1784
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: actually never drank once, not once, never drank, never smoked.

1785
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm assuming never oh Sam YouTube gamble gambling, Okay, I

1786
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: can be kind of viicy, you know, I can get

1787
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:46,560
Speaker 1: us stays in the casinos, So I've had. I'm not

1788
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: a huge drinker off Like I remember turning twenty one,

1789
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: taking my first drink right and it being like I

1790
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 1: don't really see what people are so excited about. But

1791
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a big I'm not a big alcohol guy.

1792
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I think we never saw it in our house, so

1793
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of never something we never really at least

1794
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: Emmanuel and I never really felt felt like a need for.

1795
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: And then also in addition to that, in athletics, a

1796
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: lot oftentimes in sport alcohol is not really the best

1797
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: thing for your body. And so like me, I'm like,

1798
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be the best, So let me do

1799
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: what I need to do to get there. All right,

1800
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: favorite movie growing up, first movie I ever watched was

1801
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Remember the Titans in fifth grade and so we weren't

1802
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: really you know, Nigerians, we weren't really like movie buffs.

1803
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: But my favorite movie growing up, I'm gonna say the Matrix.

1804
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: Oh mine was mine was Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, but

1805
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: not good? What's crazy? I think that subtitles only I

1806
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: tried to, like rewatch it three years ago, don't have

1807
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: the attention stand all the subtitles I loved. I love

1808
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: literally crawling climbing up walls, like how did they? Great movie? Great?

1809
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: Such a good movie. Okay, Last, but not least, this

1810
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: is what we always end our podcast with Emmanuel. You

1811
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: go first, What the question is, what is one thing

1812
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: that you would love to alleviate from your sibling? What

1813
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 1: is one thing that to sort of optimize their life?

1814
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: And the other side of that is what is something

1815
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 1: that you would love to emulate that your brother, Oh, okay,

1816
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: alleviate I would probably say current career ambiguity, My brother

1817
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: played nine years in the NFL, and this is his

1818
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: first year outside of the NFL, and the transition is hard.

1819
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: He's the smartest man I know, literally, but the transition

1820
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,959
Speaker 1: from the NFL, something you've done for nine years, football,

1821
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: something you've done for twenty years, to now move into

1822
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: another sphere incredibly difficult. I know that because I had

1823
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: to do it first. I left the NFL four years ago.

1824
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 1: So that's probably what I would alleviate. What I would

1825
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 1: emulate anything. I mean, there's a litany of things. I

1826
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: would probably emulate his patients and his grace with people.

1827
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,520
Speaker 1: I have a ton of patients and grace and uncomfortable conversations,

1828
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: but in life I do not have patience nor grace

1829
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: at all for anything. So I would probably want to

1830
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: emulate fact that, like Sam really likes to talk to

1831
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 1: people and like hear people and listen to people and

1832
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 1: care about them and what and I'm just like, hey,

1833
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: we gotta do some else. Else, do something else. So

1834
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:22,639
Speaker 1: I would probably like to emulate that. If I could

1835
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: tolerate us might get there. Okay, Sam, Yeah, I'll start

1836
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 1: with the emulate if I if I may love, I

1837
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: would love to emulate Emanual's confidence emulate his confidence. It

1838
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: seems like everything he does he does it with like

1839
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: this knowledge and foresight that is that it is going

1840
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: to work right, even if he hasn't done it for

1841
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I remember the night before he released Uncomfortable Conversations, I

1842
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,639
Speaker 1: got a call and I was filming something for something else,

1843
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 1: and he called me and he says, hey, Sam, I'm

1844
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: about to film this thing. But but he said before

1845
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 1: he said that, he said, I feel like we were

1846
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: made for this. So what do you mean? I said,

1847
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 1: we were? I felt like we were made for this moment.

1848
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 1: The way we grew up, the color color of our skin,

1849
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: even just everything that that's going on. I feel like

1850
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: we were made for this moment. Right George Floyda just

1851
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 1: got killed. My arberry was we were made for this moment.

1852
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, Okay, you do things all the time. Great,

1853
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: good luck with whatever about the film. Right. Well, fast

1854
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:27,560
Speaker 1: forward the very next day, Confortable Conversations begins, and so

1855
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: just he had this, this, this this he knew it

1856
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: was going to work. Social media he's been doing like

1857
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 1: he's been Things have been going viral. He's been making

1858
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:36,560
Speaker 1: things to go over our world for years right. He

1859
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: just knows it's going to work. So I love to

1860
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 1: emulate that confidence, just to go to one thing and

1861
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: go there and know it's going to work. The thing

1862
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,560
Speaker 1: I love to alleviate. And I don't even know if

1863
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: this is a pressure for him, but one of the

1864
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: things I love so Like people ask me, Sam, if

1865
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: you could do anything all day, what would you do, Like,

1866
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: what would job whatever? Like I love hanging out with

1867
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: my wife and my kids. That's all I love to do, right, Like,

1868
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: I literally I can get anything. I'm just hanging out

1869
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 1: with my wife and my kids all day. No nothing,

1870
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. And I know, obviously like

1871
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 1: being thirty and then having this huge platform and like

1872
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: people are you know, especially women chomping at the bit,

1873
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: and then it's like who do you do you trust

1874
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: and what do you do? I'd love to alleviate just

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Speaker 1: this idea of man, I don't know, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you feel this way, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: who I can trust, especially when it comes to a relationship.

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Speaker 1: And so if you could just get you know, if

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Speaker 1: the desire was, man, I'd love to have a wife

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Speaker 1: and kids one day, just to cut cut out all

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Speaker 1: the crap and just I know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I would alleviate. It's not a pressure

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Speaker 1: for everyone. Some people it's like, hey, I'm good, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing my thing. But I know for me, I feel

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Speaker 1: like what you're saying is love. I am. I am,

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Speaker 1: I really am. I think it's a love piece. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a love piece. Souse. A lot of people. You

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Speaker 1: can have all the money in the world, all the fame,

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Speaker 1: outher followers. One of the best things we were hanging

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Speaker 1: out in Los Angeles a couple of days ago for

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Speaker 1: Emmanuel's thirtieth birthday party and book release, and the thing

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Speaker 1: that impressed me the most about it is he said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't do this for the fame. I don't do

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Speaker 1: it for the follows. I don't do it for the clicks.

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Speaker 1: I don't do it for the money. I don't do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't do it for any of it. He said,

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Speaker 1: I do it for you, And he wasn't just talking

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Speaker 1: about me. There was about thirty of our closest friends.

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Speaker 1: We were socially distanced, but in a space together. Thirty

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Speaker 1: of his closest friends all together. That came in the

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Speaker 1: midst of a pandemic to celebrate with him, So he said,

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Speaker 1: I do it for you. So, yes, I talk about love,

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Speaker 1: But what I another piece I didn't ulate. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm taking too. I'm not supposed to be done with him,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. It's just this idea. Like he

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Speaker 1: when you ride with the manual, you ride for life.

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Speaker 1: You know what you mean for life? Talking about belonging, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: even more so, even more so, even more so, Goldie,

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Speaker 1: like when you are with Emanuel, you are with him

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Speaker 1: for life. For me, my friendships, I feel I can

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Speaker 1: be very transient on one team and on another team.

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Speaker 1: I'm your best friend for a day or a week,

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Speaker 1: or a month or a year the next week, next week,

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Speaker 1: I'm moving on. Emanuel has had friends for the last

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Speaker 1: twenty years. Twenty years still showing up to his stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: So that's another thing I'd emulate. I love it so much.

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Speaker 1: You guys, thank you. I I and I know my

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Speaker 1: mom's been saying this the whole time, but speaking to

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Speaker 1: you knowing, like I said, before this journey you want

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Speaker 1: you are on. You know whatever happened in that household

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Speaker 1: when you guys were kids, there is a God sent

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Speaker 1: gift that you both have to share and communicate, and

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Speaker 1: I feel lucky to have had this conversation. I hope

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Speaker 1: we can continue it and we stay connected. And thanks

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Speaker 1: for sharing with us. This was so much fun. And

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Speaker 1: I also feel very privileged to be with you and

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Speaker 1: to hear your spirit and understanding of nature and all

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Speaker 1: of the things that you are and what you're giving

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Speaker 1: back to and you're going to be a part of

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Speaker 1: so much change shift and it's amazing. Thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson

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Speaker 1: and Oliver Hudson. Producers Allison Presnik. Music by Mark Hudson,

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