WEBVTT - Matinee Science Playlist, Part 8: ‘Hellraiser’ 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:06.080 What city is this? One of the four inquired. Frank 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.080 had difficulty guessing the speaker's gender with any certainty. Its clothes, 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.879 some of which were sown to and through its skin, 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.440 hid its private parts, and there was nothing in the 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.079 dregs of its voice, or in its wilfully disfigured features 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.599 that offered the least clue when it spoke. The hooks 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.520 that transfixed the flaps of its eyes and were wed 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.400 by an intricate system of chains, passed through flesh and bone, 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.120 alike to similar hooks through the lower lip, were teased 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.120 by the motion, exposing the glistening meat underneath. I asked 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.760 you a question, dear, and you see the figure beside 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.760 the first speaker demanded. Its voice, unlike that of its companion, 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:48.000 was light and breathy, the voice of an excited girl. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.120 Every inch of its head had been tattooed with an 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.960 intricate grid, and at every intersection of horizontal and vertical 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.040 axes a jeweled pin driven through to the bone. Its 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:07.720 tongue was similarly decorated. Do you even know who we are? Welcome? 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.040 Stuff to blow your mind? A production of I Heart Radios. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:18.640 How stuff works? Hey, you welcome? To stuff to blow 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.160 your mind. My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.120 McCormick and Robert. I guess you've been reading Clive Barker, right, 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.800 that's right. Yes. Our cold open is is was a 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.200 passage from the nineteen eighties six novella The hell Bound 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:34.960 Heart by Clive Barker, which he himself adapted and directed 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.840 in seven into the horror film we all know as 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.320 Hell Raiser. Wait a minute, there was just one year 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.679 gap in between writing the novella and making the movie. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.520 Clive Barker was on a roll in the in the 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.360 late eighties, like he was. I mean, he's still on 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.840 a roll. He's one of these uh, these creators. It 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:56.280 really has has not visibly slown down. Um, says Stephen King. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.639 Quote from that year he said, I've seen the future 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.840 of horror, and did is Clive Parker? Yeah, yeah, quote 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:03.800 quote the King. I think that that that quote was 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.360 actually in the trailer for for Hell Razor, the film, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.440 as was I Am Pain? No, No, I think he doesn't. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.920 He doesn't declare that he is pain until three year 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:19.960 possibly four. Um. I'm imagining a future crossover sequel. It's 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.680 like Jetson's Meet the flint Stones, but it's Judge Dread 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:25.840 meets Pinhead and they just alternate back and forth with 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.160 I am the Law and I um but that that 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.240 actually sounds like a great matchup. I actually I would 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.680 be all surprised if it hasn't been done or at 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.400 least pitch, because Judge Dread is thrown down with like 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.800 Alien before, and I think he's met Batman. Pinhead's been 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.360 in a number of comic books. You could see the 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.800 the more nuanced side coming out of each because you 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.600 discovered that in small ways, Judge Dread is also pain 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.840 and Pinhead is also the Law. Yeah. Um, so I 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:57.119 want to, you know, wax nostalgic for a moment here. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:02:59.799 I didn't get into hell Razor movies until probably not 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.080 because I was too young for them really prior to that, wait, 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.680 how old was that? Though? Oh, don't make me do 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:08.560 math jo, but I was. I was like in junior 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.600 higher or so uh in. And by that point, the 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.480 first three films were already out and Doug Bradley's Pinhead 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.600 was already cemented as a as a horror icon. Yeah. 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.400 I mean he's up there with like Freddie and Jason 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.120 at that point. Yeah, like in the Simpsons tree House 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.480 of Horror episodes of the Shinning episode is so good, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.120 Pinhead is one of the horror icons that drags Homer 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.840 out of the refrigerator. Oh yeah, it's like it's like 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.640 Jason Freddie Pinhead and then just some werewolf or something. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.480 I think. So, yeah, it's like a quick scene, but 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.880 like already by that point, I think it had been 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.360 decided that this, uh, this this, this creature, this entity 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.960 had a role in the Halloween pantheon of Hollywood. So 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.520 you read the book before you saw the movie. Um, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.160 I think I read the book after I saw the movie. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.840 I remember reading it on a school trip. Yeah, and 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.160 it's a it's it's short, it's a novella. But yeah, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.000 it was really it was really impressive at the time. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.680 As our colde open illustrates, it has a slightly different feel. 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.720 It's the film hell Raiser is essentially the hell Bound Heart. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.560 It is, you know, Barker's own adaptation of it. But 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.200 at the same time there are differences, and one of 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.800 the key differences is, uh, this character of Pinhead, the 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.120 hell Priest, whatever you want to call it, is just 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.720 called lead Cinembyte and the first hell Raiser that the 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.919 role played by Doug Bradley in the novella it is 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.159 it has a slightly different flare to it. Yeah, I 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.920 was reading some things about the production, and it seems 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.480 to me that the reason Doug Bradley's pinhead became such 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.599 an icon in the movie had to do with the 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.039 practical necessities of filmmaking. And again it was something about 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:56.840 like character, Like the other Cinabytes that appear in the 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.479 film would have been given more dialogue, but they're makeup 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.279 effects didn't allow it, right, because you have like the 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.160 chatter and the butter being Cinobytes and the butterball butterball 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.839 but being similar. But but yeah, that makes sense that 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:18.080 the makeup prevented them from speaking. And Doug Bradley could speak, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.960 though he couldn't walk around very well. Apparently he had 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.680 these black contact lenses in that made it hard for 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.360 him to see, and he was afraid of tripping over 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:30.360 the skirts of his of Cinabyte robe, so he didn't 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.080 move very easily. But he could talk, and so he 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.360 could say things like save your tears, it's a waste 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.600 of good suffering. Yeah, he has a very commanding voice, 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.240 whereas in the original develo, the character that would become 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.800 Pinhead is described as this excited girl. And then the 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.039 Cinobytes themselves come off They still come off his his 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.000 grotesque in their own way, but they're more and they're 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.440 more androgynous for starters. And then there is this there's more, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.719 this sense that they are not as demonic as they 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.000 are justist other worldly, like they have lived in another 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:09.039 realm of the senses for so long, uh, and that 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.960 they just don't have anything in common with with human 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.719 sense perception anymore. Right, they are they are explorers that 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.560 go beyond the boundaries of pleasure and pain. And that's 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.120 a lot of what we're gonna be talking about today 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.040 when we get to the science portion of today's episode. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.560 But I know you're not done talking about hell Raiser, right, 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.520 Oh no, And I do want to just remind everybody 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.119 as far as The hell Bound Heart goes, you can 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.520 you can find it for yourself on Amazon or wherever 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.520 you get your book in all formats, including a dollar 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.440 ninety nine e book and both an audio book production 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.800 and a full blown like audio play production, so you 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:44.960 have no excuse not to go in and grab a 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.479 copy of it if you want to check it out. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.000 I also highly recommend the books of Blood. Uh. Those 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.040 are some There's some really great short stories in those collections. Uh. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.720 But yeah, I've always been a Clive Barker fan. I 0:06:55.720 --> 0:07:01.920 haven't read everything he's written, but it's just an unmatched creativity. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 They're both on the written written page, but behind the 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.280 camera and visual art as well. Just before we came 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.920 in here, I was having a conversation with our colleague 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.080 Ben Bolan of stuff they don't want you to know 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.720 and ridiculous history, and he was asking what my favorite 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.720 Clive Barker was, and I had to admit I have 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.720 not read any. For some reason, I just never gotten 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.720 into Barker. He was very surprised because he knows I 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.320 like horror fiction, but uh, I don't know. For some reason, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.880 I just never went there, Maybe because when I I 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.200 don't know. When I first saw the movie Hell Raiser, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.480 I think this was like my freshman year of college. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.520 I found it actually very depressing. Well, I found it 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.680 it was full of interesting imagery. I thought it was 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.480 actually kind of original and imaginative, but something about the 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.720 world it it pictured it seemed very bleak to me. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.200 It was like a world where nothing is good and 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.080 everything goes to hell and there's nothing to care about. Yeah, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.120 it's a bleak, brooding film. And and I can see 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.720 why I was especially into it as like a brooding 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:03.800 junior high student and as a you know, a teen 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.680 spoke to you then yeah, I mean then also it 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.360 it felt you know, it's a cool wid a rebel. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.480 I think too, because like Stephen King, I was stupid 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.240 into Stephen King at the time. And Stephen King has 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.200 certainly be you know, graphic, but but Barker always felt weirder, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.400 more counterculture in a way that really resonated with me. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.520 And you know, there's probably no better way to push 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.520 back against small town southern Baptist upbringing than to to 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.840 turn to and you know, the explosively creative worlds of 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.280 an openly gay British horror writer. Well, and I will 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.160 say it is uh despite its flaws. I mean, I 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.120 will talk about how I just rewatched the movie Uh, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.280 and it did not match up with my memories at all. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.200 I found it. I have to admit I found it 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.600 rather funny upon rewatching it, especially a lot of the 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.840 line delivery by the Cinabites and it's over the top 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.920 ponderousness that like, uh, there were a whole there was 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.400 a lot of unintentional laughter. But I will say it 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.720 is still a pretty imaginative concert up. It was like 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.800 very original for its time. Let's now that we're speaking 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.600 on on Pinhead's voice in the movie, let's have a 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:13.960 quick uh splash from the trailer will tell your soul part. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.320 That's just a sample though, because most of the original 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.040 theatrical trailer is screaming. Okay, uh yeah, So I guess 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.280 should we briefly discuss the plot of the movie. Yes, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.880 And for anybody who hasn't listened to a movie episode 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.719 we've done before, we will get to you know, a 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:36.000 lot more science and interpretation of of this particular you know, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.800 cinematic installment. But but first we do need to remind 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.640 everybody about what's up in Hell Racer, because it's easy forget, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.400 especially if you've seen a lot of the sequels. Uh 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.360 and and if you've seen some of the later sequels 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.240 then then truly God help you. But the original plot 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.920 line goes like this, do you have a creepy uncle? Well, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.760 did your creepy uncle ever say, have an affair with 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.439 your mom and then use an antique puzzle box to 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.640 open a dimensional rift in your grandma's house, summoning a 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:08.079 weird sect of transdimensional Cincinnats in your uncle's quest for 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.720 new extremes of pleasure. Well, that uncle is Frank Cotton, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.080 and yes, he's dragged away to the realm of the Cinabytes, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.959 so the order of the gash, and after a while 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.880 manages to escape in a much reduced state um and 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.000 works out a plot to reclaim his body. And that's 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.600 essentially the plot line of hell Racers. Right, So you've 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.240 got your core elements of this mysterious puzzle box that 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.760 is just a normal kind of cube with some paintings 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.040 on it. But if you manipulate it in the right way, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.240 press here and turn there and that kind of stuff, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.000 it starts opening up. And then once it opens up, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.040 a familiar series of events unfolds where lights shine in 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.160 through you know, cracks in the walls and stuff, uh, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.680 chains with hooks at the ends of them shoot out 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.439 of the walls and grab you. And then the centabytes 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.480 show up and they're these people usually with like shaved 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.520 heads or just generally weird heads. Usually something has happened 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.120 to their head. They're wearing black leather robes as if 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.280 they're a combination of the there's sort of like S 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.160 and M priests, and they show up and they're like, Okay, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.840 it's time to take you away to a dimension beyond sensation. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.880 It's time to experience pain and pleasure indivisible. Right. Yeah, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.120 and they're you know, they're they're very much there's a 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.920 boundary confusion with them, right, because they're both ghastly and 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.600 beautiful in their own way. They're erotic and grotesque at 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.400 the same time. Yeah. And the suggestion, I think it's 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.640 explored much more in the book is that these creatures 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:38.840 are there part of some weird, esoteric, other dimensional religious 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.319 order that worships the exploration of the extremes of sensation 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.880 right then, and so that they've gotten to the point 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.720 where where they can no longer tell the difference between 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:52.640 pleasure and pain. It's just sort of like experiences to 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:57.240 the max all the time of whatever valence possible. Yeah, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.360 it's it's more it's not like I'm gonna pull your 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.240 skin off. Uh, It's more like, oh, I'm I'm sorry, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:04.439 I'm rude, I'm being rude. I should pull your skin off. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.520 I should be a good host, and this is the 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.280 natural thing to do. Yuh, though I feel like that. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:13.200 I think that's more there in the book, which again 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.200 I haven't read, But in the movie it does come 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.040 to feel more like they're there to punish you sometimes. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.400 I don't know if this conceit about them just being 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.120 sort of experiment ers is really consistent in the film now. 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.040 I mean, even in the first film, which is which 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:33.360 is certainly the truest to the original source material, even 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.960 in that you can tell that that Barker is leaning 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.800 more into the idea of them as movie monsters, though 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.160 it's still it's still Clive Barker's movie monsters, and Clive 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.680 Barker is one of those creators who has always loved 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.280 his monsters most of all, you know. But but still 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.920 even in the film, you know, the cinemabytes are not 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.120 the most important aspect of the plot. They're not the 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:01.040 central antagonist. Even our heroine uh Kur Steve Cotton and 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.240 her father Larry Cotton aren't as central to the plot 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.160 as Frank the the individual who just described the uncle, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.560 and Chris Kirstie's mom Julia. It's ultimately about their dark 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.920 love affair that ultimately transcends the boundaries of life and death. Uh. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.720 You know, they're the characters at the heart of all this, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.800 and and they're the ones whose desires we most understand 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.679 and even on some level sympathize with, even though they 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.480 are you know, dark, desperate and depressing characters. Yeah. I 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.079 think the deal is Frank is just this guy who's 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.880 seen it all. He's had every hedonistic pleasure of the 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.800 flesh possible. He's he's you know, he's beyond good and evil. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.360 He has no morality left. He's just he's just like 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:46.880 trying to to seek the next highest possible sensation. Uh. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.160 And he's usually got a knife out because he's just 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.560 that kind of guy. Right. And then Julia, on the 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.560 other hand, played by the the excellent Claire Higgins in 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.760 this she's you know, by and large, the best performance 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.120 in the film. There is one scene where I don't 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:02.959 know if they did this on purpose, but the way 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.640 they did her makeup and her hair, she looks exactly 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.679 like David Bowie and his Aladdin sane persona. Oh I 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.840 I didn't notice that. I have to look back at it. 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.480 But but yeah, she's wonderful in it, and and in 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.760 the same way her character. Her character is also like 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.720 trapped in a life of of tedium and boredom. Like 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.840 her husband is this boring guy who watched this boxing 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.600 on television and and she just seems to be, you know, 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.720 putting up with him. Uh. And and so thus comes 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.680 her attraction to Frank. And even when Frank comes back 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.320 from the dead uh in this you know, grotesque body. Uh, 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.160 you know, she still ends up helping him. Oh and 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.760 of course helping him involves like killing a bunch of people. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.800 I think so he can It's not exactly clear he 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:50.800 can basically drink their blood and thus reconstitute his original body. Yeah, Like, yeah, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.360 it's it's a little vague, and I like that it's vague. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.120 You know, weren't really sure exactly what the necromancy is 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.360 of all this, but that that is the thing. Frank 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:03.160 is essentially a necromancer. Uh and and has these these powers. Uh. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.800 You know, looking back at the film, it's you really 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.360 can't overstate the importance of Frank and Juliet. They are 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.920 the core of the film. They are its main characters, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.200 and they are its main monsters. Yeah. The cinembytes show 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.560 up mostly in the third act as a kind of 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.960 almost as a kind of d S X machina. Yeah, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.080 which is fitting because they are literally coming out of 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:28.360 the machine, right d S xbox. And let's say a 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.200 few other things I want to say about the film 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.640 just rewatching it. Um, the music is fine, it's a 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.920 bit dramatic, but I've long wanted to see a cut 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.480 of it with the original score by post and cut 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.160 Industrial Act Coil. This was the late Peter Christofferson of 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.560 who was also in Throbbing Gristle, and the late John 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.480 Balance was also in Psychic TV, so that they had 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.080 conducted the original put together the original score for the film, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.800 and the replacement score that's more traditional and cinematic was 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.240 supposedly a condition of additional funding that Barker Is eaved 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.280 in order to finish the special effects in the film. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:08.240 Uh So, I would my musical taste lean far more 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.960 Coil than they do traditional cinematic score. So, uh, you know, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.080 when what I've heard of it, it sounds really interesting. 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.400 So that's that's that's one thought I have on it. Coil. 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.200 If you're not familiar with them, they were. They were 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.920 a big influence on the likes of say Trent resner 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.680 Um and uh and of course Clive Barker was also 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.040 an influence on Trent Resuer as well. Yeah, I'd say 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.560 Nine Inch Nails is pretty thoroughly cinembyte music. Yeah, especially 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.640 the early stuff. Let's see what else about this film, Oh, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.760 the costumes and the practical effects I think hold up 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.960 very well. Yeah, they do. And I think this is 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:43.480 this is definitely a film where you look at it 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.600 and you I'm impressed by just how ambitious it really was, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.120 perhaps overly ambitious, especially given the small budget and the 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.760 fact that Barker was, you know, adapting his own work 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.520 here directing it as well, and this was his He'd 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.800 done some screenwriting, but he had not directed anything previously. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.119 And it's really you know, it's they go for not 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.000 only they have the cinabytes in there and all these effects, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:11.640 but also like a regeneration scene and additional demon monsters 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.840 that you know, if you were being like maybe a 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.400 little more careful with your budget, you might say, well, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.679 do we need this monster? We already have this monster. 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.960 Maybe we can actually cut two whole monsters in two 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.920 big practical effects from the film and use those funds elsewhere. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:30.040 But uh, still, you know it it mostly comes together. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.520 I'm not quite sure the purpose served by the monster 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.399 that's referred to as the Engineer, which doesn't look anything 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.639 like an engineer. Instead, it's like a big sort of 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.560 larva that crawls down the hallway with a scary mouth 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:45.040 on the bottom part, chasing after people. Yeah, it's that's 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.960 something that the engineers mentioned in the novella, but it's 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.440 more it's like a being of light or something. It's 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.080 it's not a monster. So that like that, I feel 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.280 like comes off a little confusing in the picture, like 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.119 what is this and how's it connected with everything? Now? 0:17:58.160 --> 0:17:59.840 I don't want to rag on the film too much, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.040 but I will say that one of the things that 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:06.480 was funniest about it to me is that Pinhead, even 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.360 in the first movie, I mean, I think he gets 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.440 even more like this as the movies go on. Pinhead 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.280 gets increasingly frettified, Like he becomes like a wise cracking, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.520 you know, making jokes at the camera kind of Freddy 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.680 Krueger character. But even in the first movie, almost everything 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.760 he says is this like threatening, lee pretentious kind of 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.120 line that could be a quote on the VHS box cover. 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.159 It's all stuff like will tear your soul apart, or 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.680 the box you opened it, we came, or of course, uh, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:42.760 the the inimitable I am pain. Yeah yeah yeah. Like Freddie, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.680 he has a lot of catch phrases and sort of 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.639 quote ready samples. Uh. And I've heard him in a 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.920 number of different DJ nixes as well, throwing a little 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.879 pinhead right. Uh. He also reminds me a bit of 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.159 nineties pro wrestlers in that regard. You know, he's like 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.440 the rock you know, he has the Rocks. I guess 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.159 more post nineties, but still, you know, he has his 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.240 his catchphrases that he lashes out with. You can imagine 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.600 macho man Randy Savage saying the box you opened it, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.280 we came. I actually just learned that Doug Bradley serves 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.960 as the authority figure in the indie British occult themed 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.160 wrestling promotion Blackcraft Wrestling. I don't know what that means. Well, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.720 look it up, beild it exists. Um. It's like clearly 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.119 he's doing kind of like a he's not in a 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.240 wrestling ring. He's like showing up like they're doing a 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.320 green screen thing and he's you know, making matches and whatnot. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:35.119 But it's it's Doug Bradley being Doug Bradley. But like 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:38.119 he officiates a match by saying you're suffering, will be 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.280 legendary even in hell. Now I will say that in 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.080 the I think it's by the fourth win. He does 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.880 have a line about pain that that is I think 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.159 it's actually pretty good, where he says, uh, quote what 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.120 you think of as pain is only a shadow. Pain 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.280 has a face. Allow me to show it to you. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.000 Allow me to show it to you, and uh and 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:58.760 like that that line I think is pretty good. Like 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.239 he gets at some of the the intangible aspects of 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.000 pain and the how difficult it is to understand another 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.200 individual's pain or relate your own. But of course this 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.280 is and this is from hell Raiser Inferno. Then he 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:15.560 goes on to say, uh, uh, gentleman, I am pain, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.240 and he kind of he kind of ruins the moment. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.960 You know, it can go so far. He can't help 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.440 but go for the catchphrase, ladies and gentlemen, I am pain. 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.280 So in summary, uh, this is what I'll say about 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.040 how Razor. Uh. It's a it's a film I have 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.399 a lot of nostalgia for and having rewatched it in 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.600 the past, week, I'd say that that more things work 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.960 than don't work. And then it's still like it's it's 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:40.240 astounding that that that everyone is able to put this 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.520 film together and then ultimately, like clearly it resonated, even 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.520 though like my personal taste, I like the cinobites of 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:52.640 the novella more like Pinhead worked, like Pinhead became a staple, 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.600 like Pinhead is part of American popular culture now. A 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.560 couple of years ago I went through the process. I 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.879 don't know, I decided I needed to do this, but 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.120 I watched all of the Hell Raiser sequels. I don't 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.920 think that's a journey people need to go on. There. 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.720 There are fleeting pleasures throughout them, like Part three has 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.959 some pretty funny stuff. Part four has some funny moments. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.000 Part three is kind of like peak Freddie uh hell Raised, 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.560 like they realized, like, oh, this is what we've created. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:27.800 We've created this this this this horror creature that you 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.160 know the masses are into. Let's give him the film 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.840 that this core character deserves. Of course, Part four is 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.080 Pinhead goes to Space, which is I don't know, it's 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.440 hard to sniff it that. Yeah, that that film is 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.879