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Speaker 1: it is there. It is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we unpacked we dive deep into the world of

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Speaker 1: black conspiracy theories. Gonna Be finally worked to prove that

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Speaker 1: Mr T did not cut his hair into that old hag.

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Speaker 1: Mr t everyone, please, I'm your host, length and Kerman.

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Speaker 1: I'm delighted to be here. I'm doing well. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: Miss Eve. You is Yes, we're excited. You got on

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Speaker 1: But when your producers reached out to me, I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: I have been trying. I have been trying for years

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to let me write about it. Various publications

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Speaker 1: and traumas that I'm attempting to unpack or figure out

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00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: in front of them. But it's like, no, I'm technically

425
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Speaker 1: an authority figure and now I'm giving you this information

426
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: and that becomes permanent in you and you pass it

427
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: down maybe to a kid younger than you, and on

428
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: the kindergarten, on the kindergarten playground exactly and forever, right,

429
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: homie lives forever. I used to ride the bus for

430
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: school to school, um, and the riding of the school

431
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: bus is also where a lot of knowledge is like

432
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: shared among kids because there's no supervision. There's there's one adult, right,

433
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: there's one adult, and it's not he's a bus driver.

434
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: So they're trained to drive a bus. They're not trained

435
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: to you know, managed kids. And if they were there

436
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: in this position where like physically they can't see any

437
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: of the kids, right, and they're also d literally driving

438
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: a bus through the streets of Chicago. And so the

439
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: other thing about the school bus for me is that

440
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: I went to a Magnet school and so the school

441
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: I went to was very racially and socio economically diverse.

442
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: But then your bus is based on where you live, right,

443
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: And so the bus people is like the people who

444
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: are from um, your neighborhood and there, and they know

445
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: all they know your business. They know that one time,

446
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, your parents push you out and it was

447
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: you didn't have. You know, they know everything about you

448
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: and your situation and where you live and what your

449
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: building lists like and what your block looks like and

450
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Um and so. And it's a

451
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: totally age right. It's kindergarten through eighth grade. My school

452
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: bus with kindergarteners through eighth graders on one bus and so, um, yeah,

453
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: that's where a lot of knowledge, knowledge gets. And I

454
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: will say it sounds to me like that also is

455
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: how that knowledge sort of cross pollinates with communities that

456
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: otherwise would not have had it right exactly snitching to

457
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: these other magnet school kids exactly take it to their

458
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood that's very far from where you live. And now

459
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: we all got homie we previously maybe did not in

460
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: our Even if you think about, like the way a

461
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: conversation happens on the school bus is that there's two

462
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: people sitting next to each other talking right or there.

463
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you're talking across the aisle to your friend and

464
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: you're talking to your friend who sits next to you

465
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Speaker 1: on the bus, and then there's other kids listening through

466
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: like a leather seat, you know, and you can't see

467
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: each other. Like, the more I think about it the

468
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: more of an extremely bizarre social experiment. This is because

469
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: and also when we were kids, it was like you

470
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: did not wear a seat belt. None of us wore

471
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Speaker 1: seat belts. They have them, well they have well, I've

472
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: I've been a chaperone. I've chaperone some field tricks, and

473
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: sometimes they do have the kids wearing the seat belts. Now, yes,

474
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: while here, you know, but they're also those types of

475
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: they're not full seat belts that go across the front

476
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Speaker 1: of you. So it's a kind of seatbelt that might

477
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: half metal and uh the buck around yeah, you know, yeah,

478
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: and it might save your life, but it also might

479
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: bisect your entire It was probably in half if this

480
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: dude stops to slow right right anyway, all right, well

481
00:26:52,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: we're going to take another break and no you and

482
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: more of my mama told me, and we are like

483
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: teenage girls when you say teenage, how are we talking? Yeah,

484
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: we're back here with more reviewing, more immacing. I'm missing

485
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: at R Kelly. You're wrong for that. You're wrong for that.

486
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: We're still talking about Homie the Clown, the legend of

487
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: Holmie of the Clown, be him real or fake, and

488
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: certainly the massive effect it had on our childhood, childhoods

489
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: and the childhoods that followed many You've got to be

490
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: thinking about R Kelly now and the way that R

491
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 1: Kelly is related to hold Me the Clown, And I'm

492
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: so disturbed. Oh, tell me about this connection. Well, because

493
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: part of it is like the thing about so we

494
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: already talking about, like all myths exists as cause Mary

495
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: tales against real threats, right, And so we tell ourselves,

496
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: we tell kids, we tell people in our society about

497
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: mythological pseudo real things too, as a controllable way to

498
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: warn them about real things. And you know, R Kelly

499
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: really was out here right praying on young people. And

500
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: so I'm just thinking about and using schools as a

501
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: space to do that. So I'm just thinking about and

502
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm just that's just like a bizarre connection. And I'm

503
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: also thinking about the fact that R. Kelly had tried

504
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: to have his laptop while he was incarcerated in said

505
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: he was going to make music. Hey, come on, my man,

506
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: gotta make beats. He can't, can't. And then how that

507
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: that woman who was a preschool teacher posted all that

508
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: money to bail him out, and just I have I'm

509
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: just I never felt upset about R. Kelly. He's so exciting.

510
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I do think that at a certain point we just

511
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: have to settle into the fact that like what is

512
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: done is done, and hopefully now finally some version of

513
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: justice gets served. But I am especially interested in what

514
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: you're saying about the way that like these myths take

515
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: on a form and so uh and maybe even transfer

516
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: forms that in some ways, Homi the clown is R

517
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Kelly right, that like we are afraid that your kids

518
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: get snatched or that you could be taken away, and

519
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: instead of facing the actual monster, which is the dude

520
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: that's singing on the radio, exactly mythical one that you know,

521
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: has a big class, that's more controllable, right, And if anything,

522
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: like the figure of somebody like Homie the Clown also

523
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: lets somebody like R Kelly do what he does. Because

524
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: if you think that what a child abduction looks like

525
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: is that dude in a clown suit is going to

526
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: jump out of a van and hit you in the

527
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: head with some rocks, right, uh, then you are less

528
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: And I think that that is still like when it

529
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: comes to sexual assault and like kidnapping in our country,

530
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people think it is. They

531
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: think it's most likely to be a stranger jumping out

532
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: of a bush, and those things do happen, but it's

533
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: just not as common as you know, the dude who yeah,

534
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: or somebody that you know very you well exact partner

535
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: all of that. So anyway, I'm sorry I ruined your

536
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: comedy podcast, but you did it. You brought r Kelly

537
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: into it for those Now, this is my fault and

538
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: I made mistakes and I got to own up to that.

539
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Let's get into this research. I think that one of

540
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: the things that you've hit on all the important parts

541
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: that it's around, that this sort of figure starts to

542
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: emerge Homi the clown, and largely it's becomes connected to

543
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: the in living color character from Damon Wain's but a

544
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: much more sinister version. One of the things that I

545
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: ended up finding was that there was basically a ship

546
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: ton of media that in Ish that started to at

547
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: least try to address the thing, and to your point,

548
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: it becomes this really fascinating thing where it's similar to

549
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: the way that like the FBI eventually had to just

550
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: acknowledge that everybody was saying Milannia wasn't the real Milannia,

551
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: you and me. They have to answer. It rises to

552
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: the level that has to be addressed. It has to

553
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: be addressed by the way. That is not the real Milannia.

554
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna that is not Milannia. Milania. That is

555
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: the Milania. That's all I have to say about that.

556
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: All right, well Milannia, That's what I'm voting for next time.

557
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: But I will say that, like, it's that same energy,

558
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: right of so many people are talking about this. It's

559
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: so widespread, so many children are being haunted by it,

560
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: that we're starting to see it in the media. So

561
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: in on October nine, wlf L D t V ran

562
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: a thirty second there you go saying that the police

563
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: were treating Home with the Clown as an urban legend,

564
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: which while they're denying it, they're also acknowledging, like, hey,

565
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: that ship you're scared of is legit, right in that

566
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the police have to release a statement about it exactly.

567
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: And then two days later, the Chicago Tribune ran an

568
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: article called police take in clown sighting seriously, which is

569
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: where they're yeah, they're completely disrupting the attempt the police

570
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: made to be like no, this is we're not dealing

571
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: with it. But then the Chicago trubing was like, I

572
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: don't know, these motherfucker's look like they're taken too seriously

573
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: to me. And then my beautiful hometown. On October six,

574
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: Park in their Wednesday Journal ran the headline police dismissed

575
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: youth sightings of deviant clown as unfounded. We read that,

576
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: read that headline again, youth sightings specifically, Yeah, this is deep.

577
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: This is deep. Police dismissed youth sightings of devian clowns

578
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: as unfounded. What an amazing They're like, these kids, right,

579
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're talking about. Deviant clown, all

580
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: the other clowns totally, the clowns that are on a

581
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: straight and narrow very real devian clown false. Well, it's

582
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: so funny that you should bring that up, because there's

583
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I read a few things that sort of talk about

584
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: the fallout that came with Homy the clown for all

585
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: of the other clowns around town in Chicago, clowns around town,

586
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: Crown Listen. They didn't like any of the rhymes. They

587
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: were very outset with what was happening. There was this

588
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: there was like happening on the ground. I remember a penny.

589
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm in for a poun o, Canada, get it all out,

590
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: just get okay, here we go. There's a quote from

591
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: this dude, Cleo the Clown, who was a long time

592
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: clown in Chicago, apparently very reputable, very respected, not deviant

593
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: at all, at least you know by his own claims.

594
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Who knows what Cleo the Clown is doing in his

595
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: personal time. But he said, I do remember kind of arise,

596
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: especially in black and Latino neighborhoods, a backlash and negative response.

597
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: It was discrimination against clowns in general. People crossed the

598
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: street when they saw him come and called him names,

599
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: including Homie. Oh no, this sad, poor Cleo. He was

600
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: discriminated again. He said it was now so Cleo the

601
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: Clown is a black clown. I'm black clown. That's right. Okay.

602
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: So he said, this discrimination against clowns in general, This

603
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: is so sad. It is sad. But then it gets

604
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: it gets funnier and sadder because he goes on to say,

605
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I used to say Homie to clown carries the stock, right,

606
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: I carry a Louisville slugger. I say Tom, I'm Homie's

607
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: older brother. I'm I'm from the hood, homies not from

608
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: the hood. How far do you think homie would get

609
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: on your block before people would take that sock and

610
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: beat him with it. It's like contest too much, right, Cleo?

611
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: What exactly? So Cleo started out being like, it's really

612
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: sad how people are scared of me because they think

613
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: that that clowns beat each other, which I totally will do.

614
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: If you cross me, I will beat you with a

615
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: baseball bat. He was like, something way harder than right.

616
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like Cleo has a different beef, and he's

617
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: not quite willing to admit it, but it sounds like

618
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Cleo's real beef is that he feels like he got

619
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: swagger jacked a little bit, you know, like he feels

620
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: like HOMEI as a bier and he feels like he's

621
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: the O G hood clown, right, Like hood clown has

622
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: been his identity and he had a sacrifice to cultivate

623
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: that identity. He had to be out here at these

624
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: backyard parties for years, putting in work, maybe risking being

625
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: mugged from time to time, carry his Louisville slugger to

626
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: protect himself. Maybe Cleo, you know, cut somebody from time

627
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: to time as needed or just you know, let the

628
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: threat of cutting somebody being a presence in his interactions.

629
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: And he did all that work just for Damon Wayne's

630
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: to ride off the tad tails of his family name,

631
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: get on television and claim the mantle, put in his

632
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: clown around, go to this tech clown around town. And

633
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: Cleo is not He's not here for that. So I

634
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: think that Cleo is at that point it was personal

635
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: for I. You love what you're saying. I've always maintained that, Cleo,

636
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: if you're listening, I support you. I'm sorry for what happens.

637
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I think that Chicago is a city filled with haters

638
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: in the most beautiful, majestic way, that we really are

639
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of haters. And I think that Cleo is

640
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: exactly that he's seeing Damon Williams get off on the

641
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: character that he's fucking perfected for years, and this dude's

642
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: doing it as a throwaway for a three minute sketch.

643
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: He's bitter and he's angry, and then it becomes fucking violent.

644
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Now I losing work now, the work off of this.

645
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah no, it's it's so real, and you know, for

646
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: a Chicago and the number one insult is he ain't

647
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: even from Chicago. You ain't even from here. He is

648
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: out here. How he's not even you didn't even he's

649
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: from you know that? Good? Whatnot like? So that's rough.

650
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, tough look for my guy, Cleo. Cleo, if

651
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you're listening, I hope you're still clowning. Shut up, shout

652
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: out to clear the clown. So one of the things

653
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: that that I became particularly in turst it in and

654
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: you you sort of brought this up earlier about like

655
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: sort of like the weird relationship that Chicago has with clowns. Right,

656
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: So first we have the Bozo Show. Bozo a Chicago original.

657
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: Chicago original goes from nineteen sixty to two thousand one.

658
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: If ever you wanted to watch kids throw balls in

659
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: a cup in the morning, you can watch Boso and

660
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: his homies do that every single morning. And so that's

661
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: a a kind sweet relationship in some ways they have

662
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: with clowns. But then we also have John Way Gaycy

663
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: who murders thirty three young men and boys and then

664
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: like basically burries right in the seventies. That's right, But

665
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: one of the things that is argued in terms of

666
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I started to think about, like why a clown? And

667
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: this goes to your mythology of it all. Why are

668
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: we picking a clown? And where is this fear of

669
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 1: clowns coming from? And there are plenty of people who

670
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: argue that this sort of like active fear of clowns

671
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: that exist today is born in the seventies from like

672
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: the Stephen King novels. And that's all these other parts, right,

673
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: that's really deep, you know. I I want to say,

674
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: I want to say shout out to Bozo. I love Bozo. Bozo.

675
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: I used to watch Bozo every morning before school, and

676
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: when it was time for the Grand Prize Game, that's

677
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: when I knew it was time to go catch the school.

678
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, not the grand prize game, the Grand March.

679
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: So after the Grand Prize Game, which is which we

680
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: just called Bozo buckets, right, which is throwing a ball

681
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: into a bucket, then there's the Grand March, which is

682
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: the closing parade where Bozo and all his friends march

683
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: around the TV set and all the kids who've been

684
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: in the audience get in the parade and they march around.

685
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: And it's so funny to me because I feel like

686
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: a lot of people like, obviously everybody knows Krusty the clown, right,

687
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: but Krusty is Bozo, right. It's like the idea of

688
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: like the kids in the audience. I think a lot

689
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: of people don't know that that is a Chicago thing.

690
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: It was w g N. It was nationally syndicated and

691
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: as you said, it ran all this time. So I

692
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: love Bozo and Bozo buck It's this game of like

693
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: standing behind the line and trying to throw a ball

694
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: into a bucket. Going back to my time as a teacher,

695
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: this was also something we would do it every field day,

696
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: at every like a birthday party. It would be like, where,

697
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, what games are we going to play? We're

698
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: gonna play tug of war, We're gonna play kickball, We're

699
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: gonna play you know, sixteen in softball, and we're gonna

700
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: do Bozo buckets. We got you gotta do Bozo buckets.

701
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: And and then the other thing I want to say

702
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: about Bozo is that I was in the audience of

703
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: the Bozo Show, and I was in kindergarten and we

704
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: got to go sit My mom knew a guy, who

705
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: knew a guy, and we got to sit in the

706
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 1: audience and watch the Bozo Show, did you? I did

707
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: not make a batch in the grand prize game. It

708
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: was a Halloween show, and so I was wearing a

709
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: Halloween costumer. I was back Girl, and which was a

710
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: pair of footie pajamas that my mother had sowed a

711
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: yellow Batman logo onto. It was great, and a Zoro

712
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: mask and had a Zoro mask. That was my costume.

713
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Was like the pajamas, a mask and a Batman logo

714
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: because you know, the Tim Burton Batman had just come

715
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: out like two years prior. I was killing the game. Yeah,

716
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 1: I was riding away. I was Backgirl for like four years.

717
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm not mad at that. That's beautiful.

718
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: So I got to meet Bozo, and I don't remember

719
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: anything from the show other than the grand march at

720
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: the end, and I remember that my mom tried to

721
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: tell Boso like who their mutual friend was, and she

722
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: was trying to talk to him while the show was happening,

723
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: and I was embarrassed by that. Som No, she was

724
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: trying to be like Boso, you know, like you meant,

725
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, like when people are trying to tell you,

726
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: Oh Langston, you know, I know. I went to you.

727
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: You don't know me, but you know your cousin is

728
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: at work. He ain't trying to process law on a

729
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: camera is rolling like so I remember being like kind

730
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: of embarrassed by that, and that was that's that's the

731
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: main thing I remember from the show. But it was

732
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: it was iconic. It's an iconic moment in my childhood.

733
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of love Proboso extremely iconic show,

734
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: especially I think for Chicago kids who had a TV

735
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: to watch in the morning before they had to get

736
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: on a bus or school, and I think there it's

737
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: a fascinating turn of clowns where in nineteen sixty clowns

738
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: are cute and suddenly make this transformation. Now there are

739
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: researchers who say that the bad clown mythology actually goes

740
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: all the way back to ancient Greece, that like they're

741
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: they're used to be, and that these ancient Grecian clown

742
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: people actually influenced like the court jesters and the harlequin

743
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: characters that followed years later. And they even point to

744
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundreds the conception of Punch the clown

745
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: puppet and Judy exactly who used to beat his his

746
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: lady Judy over the head with a stick, so much

747
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: so that that was his whole name. He was named

748
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: after what he did, what he did to the woman

749
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: that he spent No, I think I don't think punches

750
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: making it through the me to movement. Punch is a

751
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: bad clown. We're gonna have an infographic on Instagram after

752
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: the show Good Clowns and Bad Clowns. R Kelly, Bad Punch,

753
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: bad clown, good good clown. Crusty. Crusty is in between.

754
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: Krusty has proves that there's truly no borders in life.

755
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: That's tire. We can we can shout that sec right, Wow,

756
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: that's crazy. This is where I think it gets even

757
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: more interesting because you started to talk about how your

758
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: students were still actively sort of living in this mythology

759
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: even years after and how did they get it? Where

760
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: did they year from? Well, it's it's an interesting because

761
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, but in there

762
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: was there became like this nationwide resurgence of yes, yes,

763
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: people all over the country, really Chicago being a place

764
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: where it was happening a lot in in partly because

765
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: of that homy the clown sort of legend. People dressed

766
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: up as creepy clown ounce and go stand in the

767
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: woods and parking lots, sometimes driving cars and threatening people

768
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: or at least making people massively. I totally forgot about that.

769
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean partially because, like, you know, a lot else

770
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: was happening. Sure, wait, that wasn't the biggest issue of people.

771
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: I forgot about that, you know what. A lot of that.

772
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: So I've never seen or read it, and so I

773
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: always like, I obviously know penny Wise the character. I've

774
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: always like a little bit like it's always a little

775
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: bit above my head when people. And then I also

776
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: links and kind of tell you the real secret. I

777
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: actually really like clowns, Like I really I really like clowns.

778
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: To stop you right there, that's how they get That's

779
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: how they get you. I really like clowns, and so

780
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: I think that like whenever people are like, oh, clowns

781
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: are scary clowns, and I'm always like, yeah, but I

782
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: really actually really like clowns. I think clowns are fun

783
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: and funny, and I until you know, when they it's good.

784
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: They shut down Wringling Brothers because they had those elephants

785
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: living in like New York apartments and whatnot, like Facebook

786
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: that that's not good. But I used to love to

787
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: go see the clowns, and I love the Universal Circus

788
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: and I love I just think clowns are funny. I

789
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just like a kind of a loser.

790
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: So you see a creepy clown, one of these resurged

791
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: creepy clowns standing somewhere, and you're not haunted. This doesn't

792
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean those plounds are intentionally very frightening.

793
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: But I think that, like the I think that it's

794
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: a little sad in our society much. I think I

795
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: agree with Cleo here, you know, our man's Cleo that, like,

796
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,879
Speaker 1: I think it's a little sad that it used to be.

797
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: I think it used to be that like clowns, most

798
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: people were like clowns good, and then a minority of

799
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: people were like I have a clown phobia, where I'm

800
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: I really have a thing with clowns, which was okay, fine,

801
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: people have all type of phobias, I haven't. I have

802
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: an aunt who is definitely I'm not even kidding with this,

803
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: very serious, like she has a deep phobia of paper clips,

804
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: which is like a like and if you ask her

805
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: about it. She says, it's like the way that the

806
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: way they are shaped is very disturbing to her. And

807
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I used to think it

808
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: was really fun to torment her about this, and then

809
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: as an adult, I realized this was like a literal,

810
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: very real phobia. So people have all types of phobias.

811
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: And it used to be that it was like most

812
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: people were like, clowns are good, but some people were like, oh, clowns,

813
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: I have a clown phobia. Now I feel like the

814
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: idea that clowns are creepy or bad is more like

815
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: the default in our pop culture. And when a lot

816
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: of people think about our talk about clowns, now that's

817
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: like where they go to Now. Granted I don't like

818
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: go to a lot of children's birthday parties, and so

819
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: maybe there's a corner of the world where um clowns

820
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: are still a okay, But I think it's like I

821
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: think he's really taking a hit. Yeah, I don't know that.

822
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: I it's certainly no adults in my life, and we're

823
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: both at an age where like we have friends and

824
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: family who have children and are like raising full families,

825
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: and right, I never see a picture of like here's

826
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: my kid's second birthday. I got them the clown. Yeah

827
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: that I don't think that that culture exists anymore. And

828
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: I think part of that might come from like this

829
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: constant fear that we have about like bringing strange adults

830
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: around you, right, which is going to be after COVID

831
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: even more of a thing. Yeah, like literally nobody that

832
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: isn't tested and blood related it is probably ever going

833
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: to meet a child. But but but people still go

834
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: to Santa, People still take kids, and they put their

835
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: kids on a stranger's lap, and which maybe they like pictures.

836
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Are kids crossed traumatized by the experience. I was thinking

837
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: about that the other day. I was like, y'all, really

838
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: getting these viral photos off your kid is like scarred

839
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: fight No, I think I think like clowning is it's

840
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: a hundreds you know, hundreds of years old. That's an

841
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: art form, and I think it is actually really sad.

842
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: I think that clowns need a resuscitated campaign. I think

843
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: that people need to be reminded of the good clowns,

844
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: not the homies, and you know the many hard working

845
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: clowns all across this world who are really just trying

846
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: to bring lighthearted spirit, although can I tell you a

847
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: bad clown story? Okay, So a few years ago, so

848
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: my niece, she was probably like maybe three years old,

849
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: and my mom was like, let's go to the Universal Circus, right,

850
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: and which is really fun. You gotta go every couple

851
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: of years. It's wild. It's like it's as much a

852
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: party as it is as it's ridiculous. It's a it's

853
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: a circus in a different type of way. Right, So

854
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: we go to the We go to the circus, and

855
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 1: my niece is like, I want to take a picture

856
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: with the clown and I'm like, okay, now if you

857
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: were I don't know the last time you've been to

858
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: the Universal Circus. Really, a lot of the clowns are

859
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: essentially bucket boys with like a wig on a lot

860
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: of the clowns like they're just beause we gotta translate something, okay,

861
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: bucket boys, okay boys to the listeners with that. So

862
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: a bucket boy in Chicago is a young person, almost

863
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: always a boy, young man who is on a corner

864
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: and who is raising money by performing like drumming on buckets.

865
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of them are super super good

866
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: and super talented, and it's really hard and they drew

867
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: do this drumming really fast, and they get money for

868
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: doing that. But like, I guess what I'm saying is

869
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the clowns of the Universal Circus. They're

870
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: basically like they look like kind of like around away boys,

871
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: and they can dance, and they have the bare minimum

872
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: makeup and they have a wig on. So so those

873
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: clowns are cool. My niece was like, I was like, okay,

874
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: which clown, Let's go take a picture. And then she's

875
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: like that one and she points to the most I'll

876
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: send you a picture of this after the summer. The

877
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: most grimiest, scariest, pervious, sketchiest looking clown I have ever

878
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: seen in my life. And he wasn't one of the

879
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: young dancer. He was just I was actually like, is

880
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: this just a dude who's terrifying, super scary? And I

881
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: was like, what about a different clown? She's like, no,

882
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: that out and so then so I go down and

883
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: I was like, sir, can we take a picture with you?

884
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: He's like absolutely, So my niece looks like me, right,

885
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: She's like, she looks like she could be my daughter.

886
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: And so I'm holding her on my hip and we

887
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: take this selfie and he leans all into me unnecessarily,

888
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: and then he looks at my niece and he goes,

889
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: tell your mommy, I'm gonna be your new daddy. Jesus, Okay,

890
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna Can I go now. It was so terrified,

891
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, and she didn't really hear, you know,

892
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: she he said it to me, but he was looking

893
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: at her obviously he was talking to me. I was like,

894
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: my worst fears about this clown were absolutely confirmed. And

895
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: the thing I can't I can't tell you how much

896
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: I hope that that was Cleo the clown. I hope

897
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: this links and leave him out of this. But it

898
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: was so crazy because like, as we were walking down there,

899
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: I was like, if you are prejudiced against this clown,

900
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: like you are judging him just because you know his

901
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: particular makeup doesn't look as good as you know. He's

902
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: just out here trying to make a living. And then

903
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: in our fourth second interaction, he was like, how can

904
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: I maximize the creepy predatory nature of this if we

905
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: take it a picture, baby girl, let's talk, Let's do it.

906
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: Let's get this get done. Okay, let's get on with it.

907
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: Get on so um. But I still I still maintain,

908
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I still maintain my positive clowns. I think it's beautiful

909
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's impressive given this, how little

910
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: good news is coming out from clowns. I'll hit you

911
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: with a little bit more research on this. But apparently

912
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: after the two thousand sixteen resurgence, a number of like

913
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: media outlets then decided that the year later they would

914
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: like preemptively write a bunch of articles warming people about

915
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: the possibility of the Killer Clowns showing back up in

916
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: various places. So much though, but the following year someone

917
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: actually gets murdered because they're doing the killer clown ship

918
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: pretending to be an evil clown and somebody in New

919
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: Jersey he just stabs the ship out of him in

920
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: like self defense from what possibly could be like a

921
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: mortal threat. See here's my thing. I have a rule

922
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: in life. I don't do anything where if I die

923
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: in the process of doing it, my parents are going

924
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: to have to be embarrassed like my death for the

925
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: rest of your life. This is a rule that I

926
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: live by. When I'm about to do some people like

927
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: if you want to go you know, I'm like, if

928
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: I get killed, and people say to my mother for

929
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: the next you know whatever, her natural lifespan is right

930
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: a decade, she got decades ago, knock out right prayers up.

931
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 1: Oh my god, your daughter. Oh that's so sad. What happened? Oh,

932
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: she was dressed as a clown at a gas station.

933
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: It hillside your jersey, and she got sad because she

934
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: thought it was funny to run up on somebody trying

935
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: to make a character. I just thought it was funny

936
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: to try to make, you know, viral videos on the internet.

937
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: I tried really hard not to put myself in that situation,

938
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: to embarrass, to bring shame to my family. Al I

939
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: p that person though. That's that's it's very sad, And

940
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: there are there are a couple other incidents where violence

941
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: sort of takes transpires because of these kinds of situations.

942
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: But it made me think how much of this is

943
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: rooted in sort of like the response to Homie So

944
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: hear me, I think that there's a possibility that a

945
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: bunch of kids grew up like us, hearing this legend

946
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: of Homie the Clown, particularly white children, are hearing this

947
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: legend of Homie the Clown in their own community and

948
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: that's necessarily feeling the threat that black kids felt in

949
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: the way that because it's not as scary when you

950
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 1: truly aren't out walking the street having to get yourself

951
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: to and from a place rependently. And so then they

952
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: grow up and they go, you know, it would be

953
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: funny if I was Homie the Clown, if I and

954
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: then they go out and dress up as the thing

955
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: and become the haunting thing that was sort of born

956
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: from our our own brains. If that, if you yo,

957
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: that is so deep and so real because the thing

958
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: is like the other very serious backdrop of it for

959
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: us is that you know, when you're a black kid,

960
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: you also really do know that you could get kidnapped

961
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: and nope, nothing, nobody is like you won't get found, right,

962
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: And so like there's there's stories and the news about

963
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: black kids that really do go missing. And you are

964
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: not going to be on the cover of USA today.

965
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: You are not going to be You ain't even getting

966
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: on the milk big boy, you got milk money, We're

967
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: just gone. And and so it's really like and like

968
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: you said, also, if you're a latch key kid during

969
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: this time, if you're just a kid who has to

970
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: be in your neighborhood, you also know that there really

971
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: are scary people that you actually do have to navigate

972
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, that you really have to learn

973
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: those skills. And so it's really not funny as a kid, right,

974
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: And I totally and it your theory, Like it plays

975
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: so well to me because there's so many other things

976
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: like that. I have a colleague who's a sociologist in Washington,

977
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: and he writes about this is the phenomenon of living

978
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: the wire. So he writes about like white people in

979
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: d C who will move to certain neighborhoods a d

980
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: C and they'll tell him like, oh yeah, like somebody

981
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: got shot on my block this week. But there they

982
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: say it in this like kind of hushed tone of excitement, right,

983
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: whereas black residents are like, I'm actually very afraid of violence.

984
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: And so I think that that's that's just like so deep.

985
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of being at the protests and

986
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: like the way like certain white people will run up

987
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: on police and just be like yeah, and it's like, okay, buddy,

988
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: all right, I'm not trying to do to death, right,

989
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: this still got a gun, like and so yeah, that's

990
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: so real to me though, it's like literally putting on

991
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: a costume of something that for us is like a

992
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: mortal fear that's deep. Yeah, it's happy and it's sad,

993
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: but it also good. If that's the person that gets stabbed,

994
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, I'll make peace. Well, I'm still

995
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: I still hope that some clowns are listening to this

996
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: and take my advice that we need a pro clown

997
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: movement in this country. And it's for clowns to to

998
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: take back, take back, take back your culture. You deserve it.

999
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: Take back your culture, you you idiots. And also, don't

1000
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: walk around in public with the makeup on. Maybe just

1001
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: show up at the place and then get dressed. But

1002
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: you know that's even worse. You have to show up

1003
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: as the clown at the party. You can't show up

1004
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: and be like, can I at least use your watching?

1005
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: Hey I'm James. Can I get into bad or worse?

1006
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: You're changing in the van? That's you know what. Maybe

1007
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: clowns are a thing of the past. Yeah, maybe it's

1008
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: just a thing that used to be and it's no more. Well,

1009
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: you you heard it here first, you had first, we

1010
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: were rooting for you. Now we're saying, your job is

1011
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: the world. It's a cold world. All right, We're gonna

1012
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: say one more break, We'll be back with more, eing more.

1013
00:55:49,640 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: My mama told me that we're not gonna let Joe

1014
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meat. That's that on that,

1015
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: that's that on that. Yeah, we're back here kind America's meat.

1016
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: It was like when Mike Pence was like going places

1017
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: and trying to reassure Americans that, you know, whenever you

1018
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: hear Mike Pence talk, I'm like, I have no idea

1019
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: who that is, because he don't be talking his own

1020
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: He's got his own little weird melisse. So you know

1021
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: what I heard this podcast where they said that when

1022
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: Mike Pence was they were trying to convince forty five

1023
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: to pick Mike Pence as a VP. Yeah, he was

1024
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: like no because he has too many pets, like somehow

1025
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: like Trump thought it was like very low class that

1026
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: a person would have like multiple you know, my friends,

1027
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: has like a family, you know, and he's like a

1028
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of like I guess, like a pretty normal Indiana human,

1029
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, except for the electrocuting gay people. I

1030
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: said the normal Indiana, human Indiana. I'm sorry to the

1031
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: state of Indiana, but you know what do you have

1032
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: to own? Y'all have to own your situation from Chicago.

1033
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: I hear people say bass about where I'm from all

1034
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: day every day. The Indiana people, you just have to

1035
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: take it. I'm sorry. Yeah, I think that's fair. You'll

1036
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: get no judgment over here. All right, let's play a game.

1037
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 1: This is a fun game that I like to call

1038
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: white ugly. You're disgusting, I'm gonna kill you. Give me

1039
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: two white lines. It's a fun game in which I'm

1040
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: going to introduce to you a a widely believed white

1041
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, one that was spreading in the white community.

1042
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: And what I would love for you to do, eve

1043
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: is unpacked where you think this conspiracy come from? And

1044
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: more importantly, why do you think the white man believes

1045
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: in it? Would be here? From other? Fucker's up to

1046
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm so here for this. Here we go. This is

1047
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: a fun one and it it's actually somewhat new to me,

1048
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: although it makes sense how this would happen. But there

1049
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: were arguments back during UH and you'll remember this that

1050
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: the ice Bucket challenged say was in fact really a

1051
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: Satanic ritual. Oh God, that this was a mass trick

1052
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of people to follow through with

1053
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Satanic ritual and basically all like basically welcomed the devil

1054
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: back to the earth. Did I miss a step? Two?

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Speaker 1: There is there? It's like it's that one. Not really,

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: it was basically it was like a basically like a

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00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: move towards homage, really towards like human sacrifice that us

1058
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: all participating in it. It was a Santanic ritual that

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: would like merge us with the devil. And of course

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00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Anyway, I question for you, why

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Speaker 1: do you think the Whites believe in this one? Oh?

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00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: I already know. Okay. The reason is because so, first

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: of all, ice bucket challenge ridiculous. I hope you. I

1064
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: mean it was this on my head because I was

1065
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: doing a cross room puzzle yesterday where the answer was

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00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: a l S and like disease helped by the white

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: ice bucket challenge. So literally, I twenty four hours ago

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Speaker 1: I thought about the ice bucket challenge for this time

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Speaker 1: in years. Okay, here's what the ice bucket challenge is

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Speaker 1: really about. There is a thing where when you live

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00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: a life of privilege and comfort. You want to bring

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: unnecessary and bizarre torment, physical torment into your life to

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00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: experience a thrill, right to feel something anything, right, And

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00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: so I think that like a lot of white suburban

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00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: people were dumping ice all over their bodies as a

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00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: way of like feeling something after like basically deadening their

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: senses and their empathy for human suffering in the rest

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00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: of their lives and not having everyday risks, right, the

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00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: fear of death that I you know, that we all

1080
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: fear like every time we go outside. So now the

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: thing about feeling something is like there's a kind of

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: puritanical route to white American culture that wants people to

1083
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, that goes back to literally the Puritans and

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01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: earliest you know, folks that consider themselves settlers of this

1085
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: country that were actually you know, engaging in violent settler

1086
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: and their religious practice is also about like deadening the senses, right.

1087
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: And so the idea is if you feel too much,

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01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: that that is inherently devilish. Is really just about like this,

1089
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: there's this idea that to feel anything is devilish, right,

1090
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: that the idea of feeling emotion or sensation right, like

1091
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: related to sex, related to joy, related to anything that

1092
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: that's like hedonistic or devilish. And so I think that

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01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: it is the puritanical origins of white American culture that

1094
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: makes people susceptible to the idea that dumping ice all

1095
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: over your skin and the thrill that it presents is

1096
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: somehow satanic in nature's psychoanalysis of that old Oh man,

1097
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: you just hit something I that was great. I'll say this,

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01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: You hit a few things that I that really make

1099
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for me. Number one, just the

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01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: instinct of the ice bucket challenge. Like I think the

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: original conception was somebody saying that this was the closest

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01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 1: you could get to the feeling of a ls of life. See,

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01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know, because there's no None of these

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01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: people wanted to even talk about that. And that's what

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: to your point, that's what makes it so complicated, right,

1106
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: is that it's conceived with like empathy in mind, and

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: then a bunch of people skirt the empathy. They removed

1108
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: the pictures of the people suffering from the disease. They

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01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: don't ever really even connect some of the links to

1110
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: remind people to pay for the ship or help pay

1111
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: for the ship. They just are pouring buckets of vice

1112
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: on themselves to numb the feelings, and in doing so,

1113
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: they are quote unquote doing or rather the argument would

1114
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: be a satanic ritual because everybody is wincing and feeling something. Yeah,

1115
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: it's shocking, and you feel thrilled, if you feel anxiety,

1116
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: you feel anticipation. All those things are like very forbidden feeling. Yeah,

1117
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: very devilish and satanic feelings through this worldview. And it's

1118
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: also like anytime you say I'm doing this to quote

1119
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: unquote bring awareness or something, that's how you know what

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Speaker 1: you're doing is face. If your all plan is bring awareness,

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: you need a plan. Yeah you we're aware. You were aware? Right, Wow,

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01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. This is beautiful. You did a

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Speaker 1: You did a beautiful job and this was a great episode.

1124
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Speaker 1: Could you tell the kind people at home where they

1125
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Speaker 1: can find you and what cool stuff you've got going on? Why? Sure?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. So you can find me on

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Speaker 1: Instagram at eve dot you and E W I N

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Speaker 1: G on Instagram. I am still technically on Twitter, but

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Speaker 1: I don't really be honor like that. But my Twitter

1130
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Speaker 1: name is Viewing and I go by the name of

1131
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: Wikipedia Brown, which some people think is my government name?

1132
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Speaker 1: Funny people? Not smart? Not smart people. Um, And I

1133
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Speaker 1: have my next book that's coming out. I have a

1134
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: book coming out in July. It's a book for kids.

1135
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Speaker 1: So if you want to read something to your kids

1136
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: that doesn't involve clowns, you can check out my book

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Speaker 1: for children called Maya in the Robot, which is coming

1138
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 1: out in July. And you can read my Marvel comic

1139
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Speaker 1: books not it And you won't see me on the

1140
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: street because it's COVID times and I'm staying in my crib,

1141
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: so hell yeah, read these books. She's great. This was

1142
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Speaker 1: a great time. And as always, follow me at Langston Kerman.

1143
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: And please, if you want to send us stuff, you

1144
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: can send it to my mama pot at gmail dot com.

1145
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: I would love to hear all of your thoughts, your nonsense,

1146
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: your drops, whatever the funk you can send me. I

1147
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing else going on, so send it to me,

1148
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Speaker 1: all right, Get the funk out of here by step

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Speaker 1: my f the oastal players, Ohostly money versions, many turkey stuff.

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