1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. We're on the radio one till four, 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: and then after four o'clock we transformed into a podcast, 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: John and Kent on demand, the same radio show on 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: the iHeart app, and you can listen to what you missed. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: All right. 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: In fifteen minutes, you'll hear another keyword. So again you 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 3: could win the cash if you follow the directions. And 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 3: that'll come up around three twenty. We'll have some updates 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: on Israel versus Hamas a few developments. 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: There to go through today. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 3: But we begin with one of the big stories from yesterday, 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: and that is the Alaska Airlines pilot who has now 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: been charged with eighty three counts of attempted murder. And again, 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: if you don't know this story, it has been it 17 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 3: has gone viral. Anyway, he was hitching a ride on 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 3: another flight and apparently he said I'm not okay and 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 3: he tried to shut the engines off. 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Well, the plane was midair. 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Let's bring on Alex Stone, ABC News for KFI about 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: more on this crazy story. 23 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: Hey there, guys, Yeah, we know from core documents that 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: we've got now that the flight crew who was flying, 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: the pilot and the first officer, the captain and the 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: first officer, that they say he was acting totally normally, 27 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: that he was engaging in chit chat, that he was 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: sitting in there, seemed totally fine. A last Caroline says 29 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: that they're gate agents, that they're trained to look for 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: either flight crew or passengers who seem like they're on something, 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: whether it be alcohol or drugs, and that they didn't 32 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: see anything when he checked in for the flight and 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: showed his credentials and got on that they say he seemed. 34 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Normal then, and then when he was in the. 35 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: Cockpit for about half the flight that the flight crew said, yeah, 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: totally normal. And then all of a sudden he says, 37 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 2: I'm not right and gets up and pulls those tee 38 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: bars the tea handles in the ceiling of the cockpit 39 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: of the Umbrera one seventy five, and those are what 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: would shut down the engines to be used if there 41 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: was a fire on board in the engines. Now, the thing, 42 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: you know, the part that is kind of blowing everybody away, 43 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: is that that had this captain been a captain at 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: Alaska since twenty nineteen, saying that telling police we now 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: know that he had taken magic mushrooms about forty eight 46 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: hours before he got on the plane, had not slept 47 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 2: in a couple of days, had been depressed for months, 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: felt like he was in a dream as all of 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: this was going on, and tried to wake up and 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: thought by doing this that it was going to wake 51 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: him out of his the sleep that he was in, 52 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: and then reached up and pulled on those handles. There 53 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: was a struggle in the cockpit that the pilots who 54 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: were flying said went on for about thirty seconds. They 55 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: battled him, they kicked him out of the cockpit. Bailey 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: Beck was on board, and he says, I. 57 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: Did my best too, just remain calm, as there's nothing 58 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: really I can do in that situation. 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: And now we know when he went out of the cockpit, 60 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: he would The flight attendants were escorting him toward the 61 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: back and he walked back there and then went for 62 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 2: the emergency exit and a flight attendant took his hand 63 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: and took it off of the handle of the emergency 64 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: exit door, and that's when he told the flight attendant, 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: you better cuff me right now, or it's going to 66 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 2: be bad. And that's when they got the flexcuffs out 67 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: the plastic cuffs and cuffed him to a railing in 68 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: the back until they could make the emergency landing in Portland. 69 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: And you know, through all of this, the passengers knew 70 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: something was going on. They didn't know exactly what it 71 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: was that was going on. They thought it was a 72 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: medical emergency, but they knew something was happening. He was, 73 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: we now know from Alaska Airlines, able to pull on 74 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: those tee handles that would have shut off the engines. 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: He did get his hands on him and did pull 76 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: them out of the ceiling enough to arm the fire 77 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: suppression system on board that the alarm started going off 78 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: and they got warnings in the cockpit, but he wasn't 79 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: able to pull them all the way down to kill 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: the engines, thank goodness. One of the pilots told police 81 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: and their interview afterwards that had he done that, that 82 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: that plane with eighty four people on board, would have 83 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: become a giant glider at night over the woods of Oregon. 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: But he wasn't able to do it. They put the 85 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: handles back into the ceiling and cleared everything and then 86 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: continued on to Portland. But the mix was apparently magic mushrooms, 87 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: not sleeping for a few days, being depressed for months, 88 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: and feeling like he was in a dream. That he 89 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: admitted to police allegedly that he carried it out. 90 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: But everything seemed okay until he tried to do this. 91 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: Nobody noticed anything peculiar about him. Though he's in a 92 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: stupor and a dream and he's on magic mushrooms. 93 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 94 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 2: No, They from the gate agents to the cockpit crew, 95 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: they say everything was totally normal, chatting with them, small talk, 96 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: and then out of nowhere said I'm not right, jumped 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: up and grabbed the controls, and he told police Emerson 98 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 2: did that he felt like the crew wasn't paying enough 99 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: attention to flying the plane and felt like he had 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: to do something. I don't think the answer would be 101 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: turned off the engines. Yeah, I feel like that they're 102 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: not paying enough attention. He has magic mushrooms floating in 103 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: his brain. I mean, the ingredient is silocybin, that's the 104 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: psychedelic and so that that completely disrupts your brain wiring 105 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: and your perception is of what's going on. I mean, 106 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: the only thing would be our medical team here at ABC. 107 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: They were going over with us last night. What magic 108 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: mushrooms do and how long they're in your system, and 109 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: normally it's only a few hours, not days. There is 110 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: a condition very rare that they would create hallucinogenic properties 111 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: for a couple of days, and some people who have 112 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: a bad reaction to them. Maybe he just happens to 113 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: be one of those people. But typically, you know, if 114 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: he took them. So this was Sunday, So if he's 115 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: telling forty eight hour Friday, it, you know would have 116 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: been out by Saturday morning and he is. You know, 117 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: that's assuming he's telling the truth. Yeah, or when did 118 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: he take him? You know, when they find out he 119 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: took him when he was walking down the jetway. You know, 120 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: who knows Every guy who's pulled over for duy says, oh, 121 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: one beer, I had one beer. 122 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody lies when they're actually caught. 123 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: When you when you had eight beers, I'm sorry, No, 124 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: you say you did with one beer? Yeah, when you're 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: hearing eighty three attempted murder charges, it's like, you know, 126 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: I never heard of magic mushrooms. 127 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: I've only read it him. 128 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you're just going to say whatever you have 129 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: to say to try to cloud up the case now, Alex. 130 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 3: There was some confusion yesterday as to whether or not 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: he had just taken the magic mushrooms. So they were 132 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 3: in his system from a previous time. So we're now 133 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: sure he took them just. 134 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: As there was so there was in the federal So 135 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 2: there's now two cases against him. There the there's a 136 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: federal charge of interfering the flight crew, and then the 137 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: local the state of Oregon the eighty three counts of 138 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: attempted murder and then one more account of something else. 139 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: Add that in the federal case they just said he 140 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: had taken them before, and that he had said that 141 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: it was the first time he had taken magic mushrooms, 142 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: but we didn't know was it right then or was 143 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: it and hold two months before and how many yeah, 144 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 2: how well in any Yeah, apparently wasn't micro dosing based 145 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: on if it you know, made them do all this. 146 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: The the the state charges though they say that he 147 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: told local police forty eight hours before, so it apparently 148 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: was shortly before he though now is on suicide watch 149 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: in jail, that nine minutes after his book into the 150 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: Poorland area of jail, that he made some comment about 151 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: ninety minutes afterwards that worried police and they put him 152 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: on there. He pleaded guilty, not guilty yesterday, not guilty 153 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: in court to the state charges. He's going to be 154 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: in court tomorrow on the federal charge. He's going to 155 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: be indicted. We know that the DA and in the 156 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: Portland area is going for a grand jury for an indictment. Federally, 157 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: he will have to be indicted. For a federal case 158 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: to move forward, they've got to indict him, so he'll 159 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: be indicted on that one as well. So there will 160 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: be indictments coming down as well. But right now that 161 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: the charges have been filed. 162 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: Now, is you have a mushroom defense? You think, I mean, 163 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm mental. 164 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: I mean likely going to go down the mental road 165 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: if I didn't know what I was doing that I'm 166 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: depressed and I'm mentally ill. 167 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: But but we don't know. He's not guilty right now. 168 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Drugs is not a legal defense, no, But if he 169 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: can claim clinical depression, that he had been dealing with 170 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: this for a long time, that he was going down 171 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: a bad road, the NASA road. 172 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: Flying or near any planes, I've looked guilty And how 173 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: often do they test pilots for anything like drugs. 174 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: Or well, I know there's random that can be random alcohol. 175 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: I believe drugs as well. They do their yearly, depending 176 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: on age, it can be anywhere from every six months 177 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: to every five years, but typically a yearly annual physical. 178 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: There is a little bit in there about mental health, 179 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: and you know I had a physical on Saturday. You 180 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: know where they typically are you sad, have you had 181 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 2: any anxiety recently? And then if anything flags, they can 182 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: refer you to go deeper, but it's not typically on 183 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: the surface, something that they dig real deep into and 184 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: their union rules with the airlines where they can and 185 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 2: can do. But this did not flag. And Alaska Airlines 186 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: they say he joined the airline in two thousand and 187 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: one as a first officer in the regional carrier Horizon, 188 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 2: owned by Alaska. Then he went to Virgin America in 189 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: twenty twelve they got bought by Alaska. Then he was 190 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: back at Alaska. Then he became a captain in twenty nineth. 191 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: Team they say, clean record. Nothing that ever came up 192 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: that you know, he was, at least on paper a 193 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: solid employee, a solid captain for for Alaska. So nothing 194 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 2: there that flagged. All right, are you are you said. 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right, Okay, well this pilot 196 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: sounded out to those mushrooms. That's right, all. 197 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: Right, Alex Stone, ABC News for KFI on the Magic 198 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,359 Speaker 3: Mushroom Pilot, CNN Alaska Airlines, Joseph Emerson. 199 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Shannon has a story. 200 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: Uh. They interviewed Matt Johnson. He's a Johns Hopkins professor. 201 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: He studies magic, mushrooms and psychedelics, and uh, it's possible. 202 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: He said that between the lingering effects of the mushrooms, 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: his depression and being sleep deprived he claimed he hadn't 204 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: slept in forty hours, that it could have created a 205 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: perfect storm where Emerson was experiencing d realization derealization, a 206 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: feeling of detachment from one's surroundings. People describe the experience 207 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: as feeling as though they're in a movie or a dream. 208 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: Psychotic like behavior is among the risks of taking silocybin, 209 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: which is the active ingredient in mushrooms, especially if you 210 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: have an existing psychiatric disorder. 211 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: All right, well, we just got word that when we return, 212 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: our guest is going to be the attorney for Fraser. 213 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: Michael Boehm, the twenty two year old Malibu young man 214 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: that killed those four women on Pacific Coast Highway a 215 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: week ago. Yesterday, Michael Krout will join us. This ought 216 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 3: to be interesting, and of course we learned today that 217 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 3: he thinks there may have been a road rage incident 218 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: involved before this crash. Johnny kenkf I AM six forty 219 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 220 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from kf 221 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 5: I AM six forty. 222 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 3: We began the show with the press conference from the 223 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: Los Angeles County District Attorney George gasconong with LA County 224 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: Sheriff's officials announcing that it is four counts of murder 225 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 3: and four counts of gross vehicular manslaughter against twenty two 226 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 3: year old Fraser Michael. 227 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: Bohm of Malibu. 228 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: He's the guy that was behind the wheel of a 229 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: BMW that was speeding down Pacific Coast Highway. It crashed 230 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: into some cars and also crashed into and killed four 231 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 3: Pepperdine students. They say that record show from the vehicle 232 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: that he was traveling one hundred and four miles per 233 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: hour in a forty five mile per hour zone, and 234 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 3: Gascon used some terminology along the lines that he kind 235 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: of knew that he was driving very dangerously. What stunned 236 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: us was a question from reporters during the news conference, 237 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 3: because apparently Baum had already appeared in court and pled 238 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: not guilty to the charges. And he has an attorney 239 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: by the name of Michael Krout who told reporters outside 240 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: court that his client was being chased following a road 241 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: rage incident at the time. So Michael crowd has agreed 242 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: to talk to us. Let's bring him on the show. 243 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: Michael Krout, Welcome to the John and Ken Show. 244 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, good afternoon. 245 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: All right, he's going one hundred and four miles an hour. 246 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: Say the police, you say he was being chased. Tell 247 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: us the story. 248 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 4: The short version is he stopped the stop light near 249 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 4: Duke's and he was texting somebody and as he's able 250 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: to do a stop light not moving, and this man 251 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: next to him became outraged. And we later learned who 252 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 4: this person is and that he has a history of 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: exceptionally aggressive behavior when driving. And my client left and 254 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: was driving in the roadway up pch in what they 255 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 4: call the number two lane, which is next to the shoulder. 256 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 4: The other person started trying to chase him. My client 257 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: as the other person came into his lane to try 258 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: and force him off the road, sped up to go 259 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 4: around him. Their cars connected. My client went into the 260 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: began to slow down, was put into the gravel or 261 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: the side of the roadway and hit the car. And unfortunately, 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 4: the four Pepperdine ladies who had just left a frat 263 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 4: party were in the street and the car hit them 264 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 4: and they all passed away. 265 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: Did your client tell the police this immediately? 266 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: So? 267 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: My client, by the way, so we're clear, is a 268 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: twenty two year old young man, zero criminal record, zero 269 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 4: traffic violations, has always been law abiding and stopped at 270 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: the scene, waited at the scene, had no drugs in him, 271 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 4: no alcohol. He had just picked up tacos in Santa 272 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: Monica for a friend of pH was bringing the young 273 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: man dinner, and he cooperated and told them everything, including 274 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 4: that the car the other car came in and hit 275 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: him from the side. The sheriffs the family hired me 276 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 4: right after this had happened. The next day I reached out, 277 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: we located who the detective was. The detective was given 278 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: numerous phone mess as well as emails saying that we 279 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: had vital and critical information to provide him to assist 280 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: in the investigation, and he never called back, and then 281 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 4: we tracked it. Then we found there was a warrant 282 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: because my client was just arrested, and I reached out 283 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: to the assigned district attorney who had filed the case 284 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 4: and said that there was information we want to provide, 285 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 4: and did not get a call back, and today was 286 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: the arraignment. 287 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: So none of the police and the investigators wrote down 288 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: this information for their report that your client gave them. 289 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: They did put in At first the DA I believe, 290 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 4: said that that didn't happen, and then later on admitted 291 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 4: that there was a statement that my client had been 292 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 4: the car had made contact with his and so we're 293 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: very clear. We learned from somebody else who's Malibusa small community, 294 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: that this gentleman told somebody in his family that he 295 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 4: was involved in this and he had chased my client 296 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: and pushed him off the side of the roadway and 297 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: then the accident happened. 298 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: And this is triggered by your client texting. 299 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: Texting at a stoplight and the person was exceptionally angry 300 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: and yelling at him. 301 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: Does you say you know this person's name. 302 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: We have located who the person is. 303 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: Yes, and you also said they have some sort of 304 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: a record doing this, harassing people that they think are 305 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: doing bad things on the road or something. 306 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: We understand that he is an exceptionally aggressive driver and 307 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: has had repeated problems. 308 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: And are the police looking into him. 309 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 4: We still have not been able to get them to 310 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: return one call. The reason you're hearing about this is 311 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: we finally put it on the record at the arraignment, 312 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: and at that time the issue came up before the 313 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 4: district attorney, and then during a press release afterwards, I 314 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: brought this up again. But I do want to comment 315 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 4: on a couple of things. I think in the fifteen 316 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 4: years I was a deputy district attorney and now fifteen 317 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: years in the defense side, I have never ever seen 318 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: a case that was filed within five days of an 319 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 4: incident when the person's out of custody. It usually takes months, 320 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 4: if not a year, to decide whether or not to 321 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: file charges on that, and to look at the car, 322 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: to get cameras, to get all the witnesses, to look 323 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: at every single thing, and literally put a periscope up 324 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: and look three hundred and sixty degrees around That didn't happen. 325 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: The sheriffs under the pressure of Gascon and who else 326 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: had pressure in the community pointed in one direction as 327 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: the person who was in the actual the car hit 328 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 4: the other car and focused only on that and rushed 329 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: to file murder charges even when the district attorney discussed 330 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: the case in court today, the fact that he gave 331 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 4: amount to less than murder at most gross vehicular manslaughter. 332 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: Gascone is not known for pressuring to get arrests and convictions. 333 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: Why would he put so much pressure to have this 334 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: case charged so quickly, especially with second degree murder charges. 335 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 4: So I guess the best way to say this is 336 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 4: there are times when Gascon it's to his political political 337 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 4: advantage to take a certain position. So a prosecutor has 338 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 4: a duty to only speak about the evidence, that is 339 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: the fact that they are aware of, and to be 340 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: truthful and honest with the public and whoever they're making 341 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: these statements with Gascon previously has done the same with 342 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 4: the nurse who had the catastrophic accident in the valley 343 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 4: and rushed to file charges on that person. My client 344 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 4: was never going one hundred and four miles an hour, 345 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 4: and all of the paperwork they provided to us, specifically 346 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: even says the computer chips inside what they call the 347 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 4: black box, said he was not going one hundred and 348 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 4: four miles an hour. It actually said at the moment 349 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: of impact, he was going seventy miles an hour. Gascon 350 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 4: has repeatedly said multiple things that I believe I heard 351 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: the press conference, they had to admit, well, yes, Kroud 352 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: had called the detectives and tried to provide information. 353 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: Where'd the one hundred and four comes from? 354 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: You know, I guess that came from Gascon because there's 355 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 4: no paperwork that says that number. 356 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: Let me ask you again about the actual crash. 357 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: You're saying that this road rage driver that was chasing 358 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: your client, he hit him just before your client ran 359 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: into the women. 360 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 4: He pushed him off the road. The cars did touch 361 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 4: each other, and my client was pushed into this to 362 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 4: be I don't know if she said it off the road, 363 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: but into the area where you can park, all the 364 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: way to the right where the car was parked. 365 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: But there are there's no witnesses to this. There were 366 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 3: people out there weren't there that night or seeing two 367 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 3: cars involved in something. 368 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: So there is actually video that shows this. 369 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: You've seen it, and one of the new I have, and. 370 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 4: One of the news organizations actually played it that day 371 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 4: or the next day. 372 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: Video that shows your client's car being bumped by this 373 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: other road rage driver. 374 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 4: It shows him being chased by that car being chased. 375 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: Okay, see, because when I heard this today, I thought, well, 376 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: did Fraser Boum immediately tell the police I got pushed 377 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: by another guy into these cars? 378 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: He did, tell them. 379 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 2: He's going down pch you should go after him. He 380 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: hit me, and then I hit the other cars and 381 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: the girls. He told all the cops this and what 382 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: they just stared at him. 383 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: So let me kind of create a better scene for you. 384 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: Seventy miles an hour, my client hit. He was severely injured. 385 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 4: Part of his tongue was severed and split. He had 386 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: a severe concussion, and they believed he had a brain 387 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 4: bleed when he was taken by the police. He was 388 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 4: rushed to the hospital by the police. So they did 389 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 4: a few fields of riety tests. He passed those. So 390 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 4: it's hard to get a full statement, but everything he 391 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 4: tilled them, he told them that this white car came 392 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: at him. He told him that it hit his car 393 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 4: and pushed him. He gave as much statement they asked 394 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 4: him if you've been drinking? He said no. Asked him 395 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: if he did any drugs, He said no. He was 396 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: truthful and accurate and everything he gave. 397 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 3: This other driver. Do you think he's going to be 398 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: forced to appear because you're saying that he has admitted 399 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: something of being involved in this. 400 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 4: We have all intention to subpoena this person at the 401 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: right time and bring that person forward as well as 402 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: the people for the individuals who that person is spoken 403 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 4: to and told the story too, in case he denies it. 404 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 2: Your story couldn't possibly be more different than when Gascone 405 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: and the investigators laid out, Yes. 406 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: A reckless young guy just drive in too fast, lost 407 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: control of his car. 408 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: That's all we're getting. 409 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 4: Well, I don't really want to care too much about 410 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 4: what Cascone says. He hasn't read any of the documents 411 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 4: from what I understand, and he's just speaking, and he's 412 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 4: running for a contested election against numerous candidates, and so 413 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 4: right now it's important for him to get out there 414 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 4: and look like he's a law and order guy. The 415 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: problem is, if he followed the ethics codes, he was not. 416 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 4: He would never say before anybody that he was the 417 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: person was going one hundred and four miles an hour 418 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: when there's zero discovery that says that he wouldn't make 419 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 4: allegations that he hasn't read and had personal one hand knowledge. 420 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 4: And as to the detective, you know, I expect them 421 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: to give what they know and what they're willing to provide, 422 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: and the narrative they're giving is not the full narrative. 423 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: And I would expect a detective to listen to everything, 424 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 4: not rush within five days to file murder charges when 425 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 4: the client is not fleeing the country to go somewhere 426 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 4: and is not a safety to an issue with safety 427 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 4: to the public. But they do a full investigation. They 428 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 4: have the car review, they look at everything. They go 429 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 4: knocking doors and pulling the cameras. There are businesses and 430 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 4: homes all in here, and they say can I have 431 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 4: the camera feed? And for many years that I did 432 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 4: this case, these type of cases, on both sides of 433 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 4: prosecution and defense, good investigators want to seek the truth. 434 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: And I think there was a pressure. It's a horrible 435 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 4: accident and in a very wealthy community, and these co 436 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 4: eds were killed and there's a rush to hold somebody accountable. 437 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 4: And that's where we are today, all. 438 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 1: Right, Michael Kroud, thank you for talking to us. We 439 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 440 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Hi. 441 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: Michael Crowd is the defense attorney for Fraser Michael Bohm, 442 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: the twenty two year old who, of course drove his 443 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 3: car into four young women Pepperdine students who were killed 444 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 3: a week ago yesterday. And what we're getting from the 445 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: defense attorney was there was a road rage incident before 446 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: that that may have pushed Bohm's car into the collision. 447 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 3: Johnny kN KFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 448 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 449 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 450 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: If you missed our last segment or anything else, you 451 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: can go to the iHeart app. After four o'clock, Johnny 452 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 2: can on demand the podcast and hear it again. And 453 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: we just had the attorney for Frasier Boem. He is 454 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 2: the twenty two year old who struck and killed the 455 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: fourteen age the four young girls in their twenties in Malibu. 456 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: They were students. 457 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: At Pepperdine ran them over and Michael Kraut, Boehm's attorney, 458 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 2: and he came on and gave a lengthy explanation of 459 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 2: what his client says happened, that there was follow this. 460 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: This is what he told us. 461 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: That Fraser Boom is stopped at a light in front 462 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: of Duke's restaurant and he's texting while the car has stopped. 463 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: There's an angry guy in a car next to him 464 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 2: who gets agitated seeing Fraser text and after the light 465 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: changes started, chases starts chasing Bomb up the pch and 466 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: eventually hits Boem and that clips him. I guess that 467 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: the word and that causes Boem to crash into the 468 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: parked cars on the side of the road, and the 469 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: girls were standing between those cars, and you know the 470 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: rest of the story. 471 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: Further, he said that this man is known, at least 472 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: in the records as something of a road rage driver, 473 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: so he knows the man's identity. 474 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: He says, right, and that all of this was told 475 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: by Boom to the police that night, and they've been 476 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: trying to tell Gascone's staff all week and not getting 477 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: much of a response. 478 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 3: And he gets with the Sheriff's investigators. The sheriff department 479 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: is the one that leads the way collecting all the evidence, 480 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 3: and then they present the case that they accumulated to 481 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 3: the DA. So that's where they should have gone with 482 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: this story, to have them check it out, right right, Well, 483 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: I mean he claimed that when asked at the press 484 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: conference because a reporter brought this up. There seemed to 485 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: be some confusion between Gascon and the Sheriff's Department spokeshole 486 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: because they didn't seem to They're like. 487 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: I think, what what? 488 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 3: Eventually Gascone says that they can come to my office 489 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: and and bring what they have or something like that. 490 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 2: Well did did the Sheriff's Department Stonewall Michael Krout just didn't. 491 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Find it credible? I don't know. 492 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: Well, you can easily, I mean, it's part of the investigation. 493 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: If there's video of this. 494 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 3: And the defense attorney actually found the man who supposedly 495 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 3: has admitted that he was involved in something, and there 496 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: should be there should be damage on the guy's car, 497 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: and there should be some damage on Boem's car that 498 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 3: connects to being hit by the mystery man. 499 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: I just it's hard. I mean, unless the Sheriff's. 500 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: Just completely dismissed it and gas Going didn't have the 501 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: curiosity or he was driven to make a splash here 502 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: since he's running for reelection, and he's botched up so 503 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: many cases, and he thought, well, this one's gonna be easy. 504 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to look like a hero. 505 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: There was a lot of media attention on this story. 506 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 3: It's a horribly tragic story. People are screaming about Pacific 507 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: Coast Highway and Malibu. I mean, our guest, the defense attorney, 508 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 3: Michael Kroud, said he hadn't seen anything filed so quickly, 509 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 3: just seven days or so after this happened. 510 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 2: And then and then Gascar's claiming that the car went 511 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: at one hundred and four, the attorney's claiming, no, it 512 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: was seventy, which is still bad for a forty five 513 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: mile an hour zone. 514 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 3: But it's the cars have like a black box where 515 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: you can check out a It's a basic fact that 516 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: shouldn't be in dispute. Yes, so defense attorneys versus George Gascon, 517 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what to do right. Credibility scale, Well, yeah, 518 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: I mean Gascone is a complete screw up. 519 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: Plus Gascone is just reading. 520 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: It was give the cases being handled by his assistance 521 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: and by the Sheriff's department, so. 522 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: He doesn't know the details. I was just reading what 523 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: they gave him. 524 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: The indeed, that's the thing. It was a blatant campaign appearance, 525 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: is what it was. So yeah, they gave him a 526 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 2: script and he doesn't really know the details because as 527 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: soon as the reporter started asking a little more pointed questions, 528 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: if you noticed, Gascon started getting pissy, You started getting 529 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: a little angry, and he started cutting off the questions 530 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 2: because he can't take hard questions and he can't take 531 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: a criticism, either direct or implied criticism. He gets really jumpy. 532 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: But I don't know how five days go by and 533 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: all this stuff was in completely covered by the Sheriff's department. 534 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense now. 535 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 3: At first it came out today was when outside the courtroom, 536 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: this defense attorney we just talked to, Michael Kroutz, started 537 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 3: telling reporters this story about the road rages. Right, so 538 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: what did the Sheriff's department do with that? 539 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: With that story? Just said, not going to pursue. It 540 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be anything to it. 541 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: If bo if Boat made up the story, it's really 542 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: easy to see. Says they have the guys that supposedly 543 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 2: did this, and the guy and the guy's cars. I 544 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: remember reports where they didn't seem to think there was 545 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: a second car. I remember following it because the first 546 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 2: thing we all thought was they're racing. Remember that there 547 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: was a rumor that racing was involved, and it would 548 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: look like racing right one car. 549 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: And I also heard or read. 550 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: Somewhere that there's some incident at Duke's, So you know, 551 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: you wondered if there was some dust up, some argument 552 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: and one guy's chasing the other. Really bizarre that this, 553 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: if this is true, that the other guy would get 554 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: angry that Boone was texting while at the light. That's 555 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: that's a strange trigger if that. 556 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: But the attorney implied that this man has a history 557 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: of being triggered on the road. So we'll see if 558 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: this person surfaces, who they are, what they say, whether 559 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: or not they admit that they were angry and chased Boone. 560 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: It is bizarre you file four second degree murder charges 561 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: on top of the four vehicular manslaughter charges, because you're 562 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: talking fifteen to life for each count. So gascone and 563 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: it pushes all that through, and then within two hours 564 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 2: after the press conference. 565 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: You hear this. 566 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: Their job is to investigate thoroughly and think of all 567 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: possible angles before you prosecute somebody for murder. 568 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 3: There's no I'm sure they're going to be pressed for 569 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 3: an answer. Not that just the DA's office with the 570 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 3: Sheriff's department as to what they did with this claim 571 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 3: by Boone and maybe his attorney and the attorney I 572 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 3: don't know when he came on the game. 573 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: But either this is a bizarre, fictitious story or Gascone 574 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: has really really screwed up badly here. 575 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: All right, We'll be right back. 576 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: Johnny Ken k I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 577 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand KFI AM 578 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 5: six forty. 579 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got the moistline coming back just in two 580 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: days on Friday, So leave a message using the iHeartRadio app, 581 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: the one you hear so much about, or of course 582 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: called the tell Free number one eight seven seven Moist 583 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: eighty six. A couple of notes coming from that part 584 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 3: of the world, Israel and Hamas. Israel has agreed to 585 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: delay the expected invasion of Gaza for now so the 586 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 3: US can rush missile defenses to the region to protect 587 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 3: US troops. You probably hear about these drone attacks that 588 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: have been attempted on US troops in that region of 589 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: the world, So there's a concern there for that. The 590 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 3: US also released its intelligence details that it says now 591 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: clears Israel and the Gaza hospital blast. Reports of that 592 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 3: already come out, but this was there. Yesterday was the 593 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: first time that they talked about the details of what 594 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: they looked at multiple videos, deal location techniques, and said 595 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: at a high level of confidence, somebody is not responsible. 596 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: Somebody should send that to what's her name? Yeah, the 597 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: New York Times. Somebody should call the New York Times 598 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: see if they're interested in that story. Oh yeah, these 599 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: two nutty congresswomen. 600 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, to leave. 601 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal is running a story that in 602 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: the weeks leading up to the Hamas attack in Israel 603 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: October seventh, hundreds of Palestinian Islamic Islamic Militant groups fighters 604 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: got special combat training in Iran. Roughly five hundred militants 605 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 3: from Hamas in an ally group, the Palestinian Islamic Jahad. 606 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: I think that was their messo that went Arai, wasn't 607 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 3: It participated in the exercises in September, which was led 608 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. 609 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 1: Also, all this leads to Iran. 610 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: It's going to be the US versus Iran and Israel 611 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: versus Iran. Yes, but we are going to back up 612 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: Israel and we are going to jump in if necessary. 613 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: We're going to fund a lot of it. And Iran 614 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: is going to fund all of its satellites, all of 615 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: its puppet terrorist units now. And the Russians back Iran, 616 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: the Chinese back Iran. They sell weapons to it. So 617 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: it's all prime to prime for a world war. 618 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tarting to look that way. 619 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: Something to be said that Israel's not done the ground 620 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 3: invasion yet, so you wonder if it's about the hostages 621 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: or about the US request. There's something to that that, you know, 622 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: we have to find out. 623 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably both. I mean, they got a deadline. Eventually 624 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: they're going to have to give up on the hostages. 625 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: And look how quickly they turned it. The media has 626 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: turned them into. 627 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: The bad guy. If they go in on the ground, 628 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: there'll be more of the bad guy. Yeah. 629 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't be ugly. I don't trust the media reporting 630 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: at all on this story. Conways here you trust me, right? 631 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 5: Oh? 632 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 633 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 4: Sure? 634 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Usually not during these three minutes here. 635 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 6: No, I got a question for the two of you. 636 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: I was listening to you earlier. Great show, by the way, 637 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 6: A plus, thank you. I'd listen again. You can on 638 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 6: the iHeartRadio app and just yeah. 639 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: Or you can listen to this. 640 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 6: And I heard you saying that the people in Malibu 641 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 6: who own these very wealthy cars don't want speed bumps, 642 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 6: and you can't legislate idiots. Right, Yes, people will do 643 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 6: stupid things. 644 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: Well that was the general tone of the next door app. 645 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, if that's the case, if that's their philosophy, 646 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 6: does that also extend itself to the Second Amendment? 647 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: Uh? With that crew, with that crowd, not at all. 648 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: Probably not no, not even clothes. No, they wouldn't see 649 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 2: the right hypocrisy. 650 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: And they say, well, you know, guns kill, but cars don't. Well, 651 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: clearly cars do. 652 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 6: Yes, what do you can have a two week you know, 653 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 6: cooling off period before you buy an expensive car? This 654 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 6: is this is exactly you know, the hypocrisy that is 655 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 6: living out there at Malibu. 656 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: Very good, Yes, thank you, you're pretty. You're very sharp. 657 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 6: When I get some sleep, John, I'm as sharp as 658 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 6: that come. I just don't get these sleep. Alex Stone 659 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 6: is coming on with us. That guy's great with the 660 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 6: Alaska Airlines pilot. He told police he had take a 661 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 6: magic mushrooms. I don't believe John, you've ever experienced magic mushroom. 662 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: No. 663 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: I have very very little drug experience, is that right? 664 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: No weed? 665 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: Maybe five five joints for not even whole joints today? 666 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: Huh about an hour ago? No, I hated. I hated 667 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: the heat coming from the cigarette. Oh I think I 668 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: meant the cops. No, no, no, no, I just hot, 669 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: hot smoke. I hated it. 670 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 6: And then we have LA's most notorious homeless encampments cleared 671 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 6: out of four or five free. I don't know if 672 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 6: you guys touched on homeless today or not. 673 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: Oh have you ever seen that one? 674 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 4: Yeah? 675 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a disaster. Oh my god. 676 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 6: But I love the one on Washington where half the 677 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 6: street under the freeway is Culver City, the other half 678 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 6: is La. Culver City is like the yellow brick road 679 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 6: in a Wizard of Odd, that. 680 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: One is, but then the other sides like the brown 681 00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: brick road. 682 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, in Venice, though both sides were bad. 683 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. That was find all right? Conway said, 684 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: all right, ding do rams can come on a crusher? 685 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: Has the news live? 686 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 2: In the twenty four at caf I twenty four our newsroom. 687 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 3: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 688 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 3: You can always hear us live on caf I Am 689 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 690 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app