1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Marko Wooz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: I saw this tweet yesterday from a guy posting what 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: his friend put in their group chat. The tweet is 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: one of my friends, drew eight figure net worth, mid thirties, handsome, 5 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: sharing his feelings in the group chat tonight. Trying to 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: reel him back in, but he's got some good points thoughts. 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: And then this is the text in the group chat. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: The friend writes, I hate talking about TV shows. I 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: hate getting a drink. I hate waiting for them to arrive. 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: I hate getting canceled on. I hate thinking maybe she's different. 11 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: I hate wanting to be nice knowing she's banged a 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: guy who treats her like shit. I hate pretending she 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: has something she can teach me. I hate holding in 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: my parts when she's over. I hate listening to her 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: political feelings, not her thoughts. I hate having to make 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: every single move or decision while being judged by someone 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: who has nothing to offer me. Okay, A lot of 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: the comments to this said that it sounded like the 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: guy just hates women, and maybe that's true. I want 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: to give him the benefit of the doubt and say 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: it sounds like he's dating the absolute wrong women for himself, 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: just the idea that she has nothing to teach him 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: and nothing to offer him. If that's true, it's really 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: on him because he's dating the completely wrong type of 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: woman For men. They get hung up on looks, but 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: not just always she pretty. She has to be beyond pretty. 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: She has to be extremely beautiful, an eight or above, 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: even if the guy is not an eight himself. So 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: there are going to be sacrifices, and the sacrifice for 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot of men is they end up dating these 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: dimmer women who, yes, maybe have nothing to teach them. Again, 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: this is all giving him the benefit of the doubt 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: that he's not just a raging narcissist. But looks are 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: not the same as attraction, and what this guy is 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: discovering is that while he may like the way these 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: women look, he ultimately does not find them attractive. That's 37 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the main takeaway. Men should have treat looks as part 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: of a package. Attraction is the main thing in a relationship. 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: I think it's so important. It's what separates friendship from 40 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: something more. So ask yourself if you're really attracted to 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: this woman or you just like how she looks on 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: your arm, or how jealous your friends are, or how 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: much better looking you feel when you're with her. They're 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: not the same thing. That's not attraction. The other issue 45 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: is the preoccupation with the woman's past. This whole she 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: slept with men who treat her badly, therefore what you 47 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: should get to treat her badly. There's a sense that 48 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: nice guys finish last, and women only settle for these 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: nice guys after they've been run through with all the 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: bad boys. I'm not condoning any of that, but what 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: I see in real life is women meeting men they 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: think are good, that they hope to have a future with, 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: and finding out along the way that they're not. They're 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: already hurt from that experience, and now the so called 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: nice guy also wants to hold it against them. It's wrong. 56 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: The real saving grace for this guy is that he's 57 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: in a group chat. That means he has friends, and 58 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: so he has people who can tell him the truth 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: about what his problem is or what he's attracting. That 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: isn't working. The fact that one of those people refers 61 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: to him by his net worth and posts the chat 62 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: on the internet not the best, but it's a starting point. 63 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: People who have trouble meeting other people have to turn 64 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: to the ones they trust in their life and ask. 65 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: Them, what am I doing wrong? Why am I. 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Choosing these people that don't work for me? It might 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: just be bad luck. I really believe in that. I 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of the things we think is skill 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: is actually just luck. I'll say I've never dated a 70 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: bad boy. I've never had someone treat me bad, and 71 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't think it's because I'm super skillful. I think 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: it was just my luck. And it could be that 73 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: you're picking the same kind of person over and over again. 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: It's not luck. You're trying to fulfill something in yourself. 75 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: Ask your friends, then work on changing that. Thanks for listening. 76 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: If you think I got something wrong, or if you 77 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: have a question of your own, email me at Carolmarkowitz 78 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: Show at gmail dot com. I love getting your emails. 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: I love all your questions, so send me a line. 80 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Carol Maarkowitzshow at gmail dot com. Coming up next and 81 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: interview with Change Lager. Join us after the break. 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 3: My guest today is Change Lager. Shane was born in 83 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: New York City in nineteen seventy seven and living in 84 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: California in two thousand and five. He has been writing 85 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: semi professionally since age seventeen, playing poker professionally from age 86 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: twenty eight. And that is how we met. Hi, Shane, 87 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: Hi Carol. How are you so nice to have you on? 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: You are one of my best friends? And well, yeah, 89 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: I know you get to get told that on air, 90 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 3: and I'm so happy you're doing this because you're awesome, 91 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: and I think this conversation is gonna be great. 92 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, Carol. It is, I mean, sincerely, a blessing 93 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: to have known you all these years, and you know 94 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: I got nothing but love for you and your family 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: and happy to be here. Thank you for having me. 96 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: One of my favorite stories about you is that I 97 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: first saw you. I knew who you were like as 98 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: a poker player, but I refer to you as my 99 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: last independently made male friend that I saw you tam. Yeah, 100 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: platonic male friend, right, They're all platonic, so. 101 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: As the definition of friend Schubert. 102 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: So, I saw you commenting on a poker forum and 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: I thought you were really funny, and I direct messaged 104 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: you something that you know, as an old married lady, 105 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 3: I could never do ever again and we became friends 106 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: from there, and you know, it's been a long and 107 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: excellent journey. 108 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: I think we actually share that sort of I don't know, 109 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: knack or talent. Like there have been a few people 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: in my life that whether I like their radio show, 111 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: let's say, or even like this great reggae singer I 112 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: knew from a song who I wound up meeting Judask 113 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: and Artafarai. I feel like there's a similar vibe there 114 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: where it's just like you reach out to someone who's 115 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: work or presence you're aware of, and then you become friends. 116 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: And that's that's definitely one of the blessings in my 117 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: life to have met some people through the airwaves and 118 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: brought them into real life. So I love that. 119 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: I feel like people do it less because there's, like 120 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe a stigma attached to being the 121 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: person who like contacts somebody and says, I just love 122 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: your work. Can we like be friends? But I've made 123 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 3: a lot of friends that way. I've made a lot 124 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: of friends who have contacted me or who I've contacted. 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: I think that's not a bad way to be see 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: somebody's work online and think that they're cool and send 127 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: them a note. 128 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and I mean it. You know, people 129 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: might be surprised how eager the other side is to 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: sort of interact and get things going. And yeah, with us, 131 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: it's just been like I remember what I think is 132 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: the first day we met in Vegas and you know 133 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: I met your brother. Yeah, yeah, so totally. But I 134 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: think you're actually, yeah, you're kind of like a queen, 135 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: a queen pin of the of that of that art. 136 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: Like you just you just have a sort of very 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: you have an ease of meeting people throughout the world. 138 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: So how did they get into poker? What's the what's 139 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: the Shane Poker origin story? 140 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, when I was very when I was quite young, 141 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: probably just twenty one or so, like I visited my 142 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: oldest childhood friend from New York City. He was living 143 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: in Albuquerque, and there were there was a casino. There 144 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: was still a tent at the time called Sandia Casino, 145 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: and uh, I played like the lowest stakes seven card 146 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: stud that you could imagine, and played it terribly. It 147 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: was just a gambler and sort of remained that way 148 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: for you know, like about five six years. Hit a 149 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: streak when I would like actually before proker. I was 150 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: playing black jack a lotco in Atlantic City, not not advantage, 151 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: you know, and then a couple of things happened. I 152 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: met a guy out here at the tennis courts, uh 153 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: who introduced me basically to the New York City like underground, 154 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: underground ish poker scene. And this was all sort of 155 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: the rounders that already happened, and online poker was just 156 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: about to happen. It was right. It was right before 157 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 2: Moneymaker wound up winning the World Series of Poker, and 158 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: like I wound up going to know. 159 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: An amateur named Chris Moneymaker won the World Series of Poker, 160 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: that's his real name, and kicked off this huge poker boom. 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, there was a you know, a confluence of 162 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: things that contributed to the poker boom money Maker. You know, 163 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: the heavy coverage on ESPN, the whole card cams where 164 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: you could finally you know, see every hand that every 165 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: player was playing. And then you know, meanwhile in New 166 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: York City there was a very active semi underground card scene, 167 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: especially this place called PlayStation, which was like on Fourteenth Street, 168 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: on the second floor. That's why I say underground sort of. 169 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: It was on the second floor it wasn't underground, but 170 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: I had some early knack for poker tournaments. Turned out, 171 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, before I really knew what 172 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,119 Speaker 2: I was doing, I was pretty good at poker tournaments. 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: They would run like two poker tournaments a week, forty 174 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 2: dollars buy and plus thirty dollars add ons. You could 175 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: walk away with like two three thousand dollars. You know. 176 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: I remember going to like the Virgin megastore with like 177 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: a big handful of like small small bills of buying 178 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: some DVDs. And then I met really some chess players, 179 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: you know, like Greg Shahati and Yakov Hirsh a few 180 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: guys who were basically like very confidently making a transition 181 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: into professional poker. And so that kind of became a 182 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: revelation like, oh wow, you can actually, you know, turn 183 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: this into a profession. And they they had a big 184 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: edge early on because they had the chess background and 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: they just they sort of approached things with the strategic 186 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 2: and you know, ev expected value minded approach, and so 187 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: it was it was they who opened up you know, 188 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: that awareness to me. And then I started playing on 189 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: Poker Stars, and one thing led to another, and you know, 190 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: at two thousand and five, I had one or chopped 191 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: a pretty decent sized tournament at Commerce Casino in Los Angeles. 192 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: Actually it was it's kind of a crazy story. I 193 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: was in the middle of a poker tournament and met 194 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:04,239 Speaker 2: my future wife and we wound up moving to LA 195 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five. Honestly, it's all a little 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: bit of a blur. I would have to actually like 197 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: look at the like the Hendon mile record to tell you. 198 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: But by two thousand and five, I had. 199 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: To meet somebody in the middle of a porker tournament. 200 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: So I was playing an eleven dollars rebuy and poker stars. 201 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: This was back when. Yeah, it was like I don't 202 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: remember what time it started, maybe eight pm like, so 203 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: it started really late and probably went to like four am. 204 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: It was like eight hour tournament, and I, uh, you know, 205 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: usually I would like order some food from the diner 206 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: in Park Slope, and I decided to, like, you know what, 207 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: I want to go out and like have some good food. 208 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: I went to Blue Ribbon, where I was still working. 209 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: I was basically about to quit Blue Ribbon and go 210 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: full time poker. To answer your question, I had my 211 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: friend take over that poker tournament, which subsequently would maybe 212 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 2: be considered like an ethically ethically dubious Not really though, 213 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: I mean not really, but it's it's the story as 214 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: it happened. I had my friend, I said, listen, can 215 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: you play this tournament for me? Can you log in 216 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: for me? 217 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: I got to go meet my wife. 218 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: I got I gotta go get some food and Blue Ribbon. 219 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: But like you know, I put on like a nice 220 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 2: shirt and went to Blue Ribbon and just ordered some 221 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: food to go. And then there was a woman sitting 222 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: at the bar and I was just like, is this 223 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: seat taken? And YadA, YadA, YadA. I call my friend back. 224 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: I was like, you're gonna have to finish this poker 225 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: chairs for And that's how that went. 226 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: That's such a great story. And I know you guys. 227 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: Met like that, really, I never told you that one. 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, that was around December. It was December tenth, 229 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: two thousand and four, and by the following August or so, 230 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 2: we were living in Los Angeles. And yeah, it's honestly odd. 231 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: I can't quite like, I can't remember where we were 232 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: living when I made my first World Series of Poker 233 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: final table, but that pretty sure it was two thousand 234 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: and five, so we were actually probably not quite in 235 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: LA and I don't remember when the commerce win was. 236 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: I want to say that was also two thousand and five, 237 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: but I can't remember. 238 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 3: Bill. Do you still love poker? 239 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I think I do. You know, 240 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 2: right right now, I haven't played in a few months 241 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: because I've had a whole handful of whole slate of 242 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: personal family things going on, which we can get into 243 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: or whatever. I do love poker, especially for the people 244 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: I've met, the lifestyle it affords us, the mentality. Poker 245 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: has become a much more sophisticated game, and so I 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: struggle with some of the love that it takes to 247 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: succeed nowadays. Like it's it seems like there's like you know, 248 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: with game theory and other like very advanced strategic elements 249 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: coming into like there's there's there's a there's a league 250 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 2: of players who are very enthusiastic about that and really 251 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: like find the love in dissecting the strategy. Me I'm 252 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: more just like trying to keep up. And again I'm 253 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: more like I love the zoom the zoomed out parts. 254 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not that guy who's like, I just 255 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: love the competition, you know, I love this and that 256 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: it's you know, I think I still got it, and 257 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: I think I can like adapt low enough to beat 258 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: tournaments even in twenty twenty five, and I'm eager to 259 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: continue to improve my game. But so it's you know, yes, 260 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: I I do love it. I love the community. I 261 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: love the experiences and you know, basically the the free 262 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: thinking nature of poker players and the sort of unconventional 263 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: thing that you have to get with to succeed at 264 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: the game. 265 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: Do you think it's more mainstream now or was it 266 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: more mainstream in the Chris money Maker years, Because I 267 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 3: feel like everybody plays poker now, like a lot of 268 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: people that you wouldn't necessarily. 269 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: Think back then it was a huge fad, but now 270 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: it's more just omnipresent. It's you know, I think the 271 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: World Series of Poker nowadays seems more fun and more vibrant, 272 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: or as vibrant as it ever was. Yeah, since since 273 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: they moved, this was my impression, you know, since they 274 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: moved to the strip, and you know, look, Chris Moneymaker 275 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: is still crushing, which is pretty cool. It's like you say, 276 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: as an amateur who helped lost the boom. Well he was, 277 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: he would know he is, but but just just to 278 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: bring your you know, he's now he's crushing at some 279 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: of the highest levels, so. 280 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: He's a full on professional now. But I recall like 281 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: there was, you know, just that first World series where 282 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: you're watching him play and he doesn't know it's his turn, 283 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: and he's like just very much amateur. But it was 284 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: very endearing, and it was it was kind of nice 285 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: to watch somebody who knew how to play but really. 286 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: Did not have that much practice, you know, and everyone 287 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: was a bit unpracticed by then, you know, we were 288 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: all in the sort of wild West. But keep in mind, 289 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: you know, for Chris Moneymaker, just to get into that tournament, 290 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: he had to win another poker tournament, right, so he 291 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: had some natural skills. And I think actually it speaks 292 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 2: to the possibility that, you know, he's kind of a 293 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: naturally great poker player because he's still crushing poker tournaments 294 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: over twenty years later and at a much higher level, 295 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: Like he plays like some of the highest high rollers. Yeah, 296 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: and like he's a guy that doesn't necessarily probably need 297 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: a poker tournament to secure his income. He's got endorsements. 298 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: He's got his own poker tour anyway, props to Chris Moneymaker, 299 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: but you can get him on the podcastle he doesn't 300 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: need a pr for me. He's got a luck. He's 301 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: got a whole machine going. He's got his own poker tour. 302 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: So one of the things that you and I always 303 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: kind of went back and forth on. I was a 304 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: very pro New York New Yorker. I loved the city, 305 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: and obviously three years ago we left, we moved to Florida. 306 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: Very publicly. 307 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: I have my my my deep issues with New York now, 308 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 3: and you were always this la guy California all the way. 309 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: You had like a whole defense of San Francisco. At 310 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: one point in our friendship that I. 311 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: First surely, Oh, I love choosing. 312 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: It wasn't that recent. It was like, I don't know, 313 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: a bunch. 314 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: Of years ago there, No, it was three or four 315 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: years ago when I move, you know, I thought. 316 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: It was just this wonderful place, and I was like, 317 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 3: what about the human poop? And you were like, I 318 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about. 319 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's like, go ahead, ask me about the 320 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: immigrants in New York City right now? Like you know what, 321 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: you know, what they mostly are looking for. It's like 322 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: a five star rating on Uber. You know. It's like, 323 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: you know, there are parts of San Francisco that resemble 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: New York in the eighties. Yeah, but we were here 325 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: in the eighties, like, you know, even as a chuch, 326 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: Like look around the corner from where I am right now, 327 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: there were very you know, Fifteenth Street and Seventh Avenue 328 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: were hookers and fish nets. I remember that from my childhood, 329 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: you know. I think I think actually Trump was is 330 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: credited with sort of cleaning up the block when he 331 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: started building in the area. San Francisco, you can absolutely 332 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: walk around and see the most horrifying sort of like 333 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: elements so of human condition, you know, people shooting up 334 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: drugs in front of the State, in front of like 335 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: a Staples. But like it's also a magnificent city. No 336 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: city combines. We'll get to New York in a second, 337 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: but as far as San Francisco, there's no city that 338 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: quite integrates like urban everything is in with like beautiful nature. 339 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 2: And I think Golden eight Park is almost like objectively 340 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 2: like just way better than Central Park. And I love 341 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: Central Park. Wow. As far as the New York goes look, 342 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: I had the irrational devotion and like a city kid 343 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: sort of pride thing, and uh. And then I moved 344 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: to La I'd always dreamed about that. I didn't have 345 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 2: a driver's license. You know. My wife was my then 346 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: girlfriend eventual wife, who's from California. She would be driving 347 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 2: me to poker tournaments, you know, in Bell Gardens or whatever. 348 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: And I think at that point I developed some bristoliness, 349 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: some caustic sort of feeling towards New York, like what 350 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: are we doing in that jammed up city? And I 351 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: do think there's also like a provincial element, especially to 352 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: kids who grew up in Manhattan where we hardly even 353 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: know what goes on across the Bridge of Brooklyn, you 354 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: know that famous New Yorker cartoon where it's like Outson 355 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: River and then like West Coast, like we don't know 356 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: what's going on. But then it was more like, look, 357 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: there's an easier way to do this. It's called Sunshine 358 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: State or the Golden State, or you know, there's an 359 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: easier way to do this. And at the time you're like, now, no, Shane, 360 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm New York for life in the New York till 361 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: I of course you've caught up and now I'm here 362 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: having actually a great New York City run. 363 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: So you know, you've warmed to New York somehow. 364 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: In the in the coldest winter I've ever experienced. Uh yeah, 365 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: it's a I'm enjoying like the best New York City 366 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: run I've had maybe ever, you know, with the benefit 367 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: of maturity and and still knowing really well how to 368 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: get around the city like I was. I was a 369 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: messenger for a long time, a bike messenger. I'm having 370 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: a lot of fun, you know, knowing how to access 371 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: all the things I need to and and I really 372 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: have to say, New York feels more peaceful, more tame, more. 373 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. 374 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: You know, this is a very unpopular opinion. 375 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: Right Uh you know, I'm not here to be contrary. 376 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: And I'm telling you like, like, because I've been here several. 377 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: Times controversial takes change. 378 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: This is not a controversial this is actual, like you know, 379 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 2: empirical sort of sample, because I was here several times 380 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: during COVID when there was a sense of like malaise 381 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: or chaos or you know, and I don't know, I 382 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: don't know what has changed. And of course I understand 383 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: that people are you know, occasionally getting lit on fire 384 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: on the subway. Sad. Look, that's been going on forever. 385 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: This is a city with millions of people. But really, 386 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: like even the driving is passive now, like it used 387 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: to be. Just to like across the street as a 388 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: teenager was a death sport, like you versus the cabs 389 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 2: that was, like everyone drives very passively. There's a you know, 390 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: and even like you know, the bike lanes, people have 391 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: figured out how to use them finally. And but I 392 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: was here during COVID when it was you know, it 393 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: felt like really gnarly. It felt like will the city 394 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: kind of collapsed into chaos or you know, or like 395 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: there's a sense of menace. There was a sense of 396 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: menace that right, and you just don't feel that right. 397 00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't feel that right now at all. And I'm 398 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: not confined to one neighborhood I am. I've been everywhere 399 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 2: from Chinatown to you know, Morning Side Heights since November 400 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: when I came here to help out my dad. And yeah, 401 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: I just have to say I think whatever enforcement levels, 402 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: I think the city is in a good place right 403 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: now as far as yeah, as far as liveability and 404 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: walk around ability, and like I'm the craziest guy for 405 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: blocks around most nights. You know, it's like I'm walking 406 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 2: down the street like singing it crossing the street. There's 407 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: no one on the street. It's like in other words, 408 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm walking home on like sixty third and ninth Avenue 409 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: at you know, eleven pm. I'm singing, I'm dancing. There's 410 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: just no one around. But even when there are people around, yeah, 411 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: I'm the one there. I'm the one there they're concerned about. 412 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 413 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 414 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: What do you worries? 415 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: What do I worry about? As far as like, uh 416 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: could be anything, you know, I worry about the human soul, 417 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, the survival of the soul. There's a few 418 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 2: like let's I worry about let's say the White Walkers 419 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 2: whatever the White Walkers represented from Game of Thrones or 420 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite movies, Dark City, where 421 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: an alien race called the Strangers come to basically inhabit 422 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: our planet and try to mine our soul. And I 423 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: you know, so like and in Game of Thrones it's 424 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: like there's all these internacy conflicts between kingdoms and peoples 425 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: and families, but really there's yeah, there's really an existential 426 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: threat that threatens all of it. And so whatever that is, 427 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: it might be the phones or AI or whatever it is, 428 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: that threat the fabric of our human existence is what 429 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: I worry about. But you know, I have the serenity 430 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: to accept things that are out of my control. But yeah, 431 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: so you know, you gave me a little chance to 432 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: prepare that question so that. 433 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: Your answer sounds vaguely religious. 434 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I'm not. I'm not a religious so 435 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: I know, well, but I don't know about that. It's 436 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: it's it's more about the human condition, I guess, And 437 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: just yeah, just sort of like escaping the matrix is 438 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 2: what I worry about, or like not not letting the matrix, 439 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: you know, drag you down, and just just yeah, getting 440 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: along well with with people. And you know, I'm not 441 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 2: worried about it on a regular basis. But yeah, if 442 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: I had to, like, if I had to cite my 443 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: one existential concern, it's along those lines. 444 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: What advice would you give sixteen year old shine? 445 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 2: I have some prepared for this too. Of course, I 446 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: will quote nas from the song in between Us. He says, 447 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: I try to give someone advice, shoot dice, do plenty 448 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: of shit, because in this life, how many you get? 449 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: And I mean I would correlate that to if I 450 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: was talking to sixteen year old me, I would say, 451 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: you know, take risks, be bold even if you know, 452 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: like there are things that I wish I had gone 453 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: harder on even though we're risky. I think I would 454 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: also tell my sixteen year old self, like, you know, 455 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 2: manage your hubris. Like the sooner you realize that you 456 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: don't know anything, it's like the closer you'll get to 457 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: eventual happiness or eventual like understanding of what you do 458 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: know and understanding of yourself. And I would also say, listen, 459 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: just relax, like eventually you'll find a woman, just like 460 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: work on yourself. It's totally possible to find a nice 461 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: partner and to still be attracted to her twenty years later, 462 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: which I feel like is something that we didn't grow 463 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: up with that attitude. It's like, you know, you're you know, 464 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: you're necessarily going to get tired of your part you know, 465 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 2: but no, yeah, I catered that one to you could 466 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: have started that with. But yeah, but it's sincere. You know, 467 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: like my wife and I was kind of like love 468 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: at first sight, and twenty years later, I'm honestly more 469 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: attracted to her, And that's. 470 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 3: Just right, that's so beautiful. 471 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 2: Marriage is complicated, We've gone through lots of different things, 472 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: but that what I stated is true. 473 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: I love that. So one of the questions I used 474 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: to ask all of my guests last season of the show, 475 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: which made fun of me for NonStop because you listened 476 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: to the show, which I. 477 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 2: Really appreciate, longtime listener, first time calling. 478 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 3: But I used to ask all of my guests what 479 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: do they think that they've made it? And you would 480 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: just mock me, mercy, see if you'd ask if you're 481 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: so amazing? What problem with that question? 482 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 2: Yet not? It's almost like an anachronistic kind of like format, 483 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: like like what does it even mean? 484 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: Well, I could mean anything to anyone. So now I'm 485 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: gonna make you answer it. Shane, you made it? 486 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Have have you? I mean you? I think you feel 487 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: like I have. I feel like you have. 488 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 3: I feel amazing about you know where where I am 489 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: career wise, I feel amazing when where family wise. But 490 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: beyond all of that, and I know this is going 491 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: to be cheesy, but I you know, being an American 492 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: was such a lucky break for me that I think 493 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: all of this is gravy, like it could have all 494 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: been so much worse. And yeah, I've made I made 495 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 3: it really early on. 496 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 2: Well. So first of all, before I answer your question, 497 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: let me say I'm truly proud of you because I 498 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: saw you grind this up. I mean, without without at 499 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: all changing your personality or really doing anything different. I've 500 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: just seen you work and work and work and like 501 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: steadily rise to where like you know, you just know 502 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: yourself so well. And to what you're saying about being 503 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: an American, I made it in the sense that I 504 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 2: made it to this earth like I'm here. I mean, 505 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: I'm here, I get to experience it. I have not 506 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: made it whatsoever to where I'm going. I mean, you know, 507 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 2: something I've been thinking about a lot lately is the 508 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: non static nature of success. Because I could I could 509 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 2: definitely say I've had successes, but I could also just 510 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: as honestly say, like I'm a net failure because I 511 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: haven't achieved what I want to. I've definitely not made it. 512 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: But I'm here, so in a way, I've made it here. 513 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: I just haven't made it where I'm going here yet, 514 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: and that's fine. I kind of look at life, you know, 515 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: just to keep referencing fictional movies that reveal the meaning 516 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: of life. It's groundhog Day, you know. It's like until 517 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: you get every single thing right, you can't make it 518 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: to the next day. You know, like until you figure 519 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: out exactly how to like master your own sort of program, 520 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: you're not even going to like make it to the 521 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: next day, much less it. So that's where I'm att. 522 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I love that. 523 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: I think that that's a great answer, and you fully 524 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 3: understood the questions. 525 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 2: Yuh So, I don't know if I had. 526 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: To be so, you know, meeture, I'm playing playing you 527 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: could just tease me and it was funny, you know. Well, Shane, 528 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 3: I love you. You're one of my absolute favorite people. 529 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 3: I think you're so funny and wise and just awesome. 530 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: And us here with your best tip from my listeners 531 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: on how they can improve their lives. 532 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: My best advice on that is going to be vague 533 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: and a little hokey, but just tell somebody you love 534 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: them today. You know that's fine. Find the love in 535 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: your in your life on a daily basis, find the 536 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: and find the gratitude. You know, recently, when our house 537 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: was in serious jeopardy in California, I had to come 538 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: to terms with like an extraordinary amount of gratitude in 539 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: real time to where yeah, I could cry about it. 540 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: You know, there's a picture of the helicopters that really 541 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: barely saved our house from the fires, recent fires in 542 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: southern California, And as that was going on in real time, 543 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 2: I had to come to terms with actual gratitude where like, 544 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: you know, if we lose it all, there are some 545 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: things I don't want to lose, including like the roof 546 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: over my head, but I would still be grateful that 547 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: my wife was safe, that my dog was safe. Then 548 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: I got to live where I lived before it burned down, 549 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: if it was to have burned down, that I got 550 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: to experience the beautiful view of the trees across the 551 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: creek from where we live, which are now charred. And 552 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm still grateful for that charred view. So really, I guess, 553 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: I guess the answer to your question is find the love, 554 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: find the gratitude, and inhabit it, and that will help you. 555 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 2: You know, that will help you overcome almost anything. I think, 556 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 2: you know, if you can really carry love and gratitude 557 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: as you go forward and live. 558 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: I love that, I really love I love that so much. 559 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, Shane, Thanks so much for coming on. 560 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: He is Shane Schlager. 561 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: Follow his amazing poker career. He's such a wonderful writer. 562 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 3: To beat him anywhere can Thanks. 563 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: Thanks, Carol, I love you, love your family and see 564 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: us soon. 565 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markwartz Show. 566 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.