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Speaker 1: This is a Headgum podcast. Hi, I'm Aga Lodum, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Thanks Dad. I was raised by a single

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Speaker 1: mom and didn't have oh gosh, didn't don't still don't

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Speaker 1: have a relationship with my dad. Guess what. Not gonna

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Speaker 1: not because I'm stubborn, not because I'm prideful, because he's dead.

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Speaker 1: He has gone ahead and passed. Can you believe he

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Speaker 1: would and did that?

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Speaker 2: It happens now. I know.

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Speaker 1: People believe his ass went and died. There is also

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Speaker 1: kick the bucket. Yeah, I don't even understand that expression.

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Speaker 1: If you kick the bucket, you could always put the

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Speaker 1: bucket back up, right.

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Speaker 2: I think kicking the bucket?

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Speaker 1: Or is it that your foot hurt so bad?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm getting something real bad that we shouldn't talk

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: That's is it racial?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Say it?

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Speaker 2: Then? No, it's suicide.

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Speaker 1: Is kicking the bucket suicide?

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Speaker 2: I feel like you stand on a bucket and hang

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Speaker 2: yourself in and you kick the bucket.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And it must have started that.

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Speaker 2: I'm really making stuff out, you know, your stuff? I think. No,

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Speaker 2: I just I've never thought about that.

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Speaker 1: Do you play trivia? Because I feel like i'd want

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Speaker 1: to play.

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Speaker 2: Trivia with you do trivia and I don't play games.

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Speaker 1: Because why did you know that? And I never heard

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Speaker 1: you don't play.

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Speaker 2: Because I was using brain and I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you were like kick the bucket, and you said where

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Speaker 2: did that come from? And I imagine a guy standing

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Speaker 2: on a bucket with a rope and then kicking the bucket.

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, people probably used to

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Speaker 2: use that for suicide. And now it's just about death

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Speaker 2: and job other things. Yes, now just like everyone who dies,

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Speaker 2: because that's what.

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Speaker 1: Happens with etymology. When you talk about the history of.

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Speaker 2: A word you're using, you're using I don't know what etymology.

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Speaker 2: That's the study of the.

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Speaker 1: Study of words. I just the study of No, that's

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Speaker 1: that's gosh, that's probably something FUNGI mycology, mycology. See I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say fun biology, but no. Things get bastardized

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Speaker 1: over time. It's almost like telephone years past. Like my

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Speaker 1: favorite bit of etymology knowledge is that the word nice

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Speaker 1: was used to just gribe stupid people. So nice was

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Speaker 1: synonymous with stupid. Oh yes, foolish, simple a simpleton.

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Speaker 2: I love simpleton. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Then I think about it though, and there's still like

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Speaker 1: threads of that in present day, where people will be like,

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Speaker 1: I want on a date with guy and he was

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he was nice.

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Speaker 2: He was nice. Yeah, you're right, and so it's lingering.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, it's it is standing the test of time.

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Speaker 2: Nice also means like, oh that's nice, not nice. She's nice.

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Speaker 1: She's nice. Nice as a compliment, except for if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about how like amicable I am. I want to

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Speaker 1: be called kind as opposed to nice, because I know

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Speaker 1: the etymology of nice and I can't shake it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm like kind. Kind feels very intentional. Nice, I feel

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Speaker 1: like is simpleton and it's like, yeah, you're nice because

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Speaker 1: you kind of neither here nor there. You're just existing

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Speaker 1: and I guess not bothering anyone. Kind feels like a choice.

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Speaker 2: Like you you are. You are engaging in kindness. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you can't engage in nice.

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Speaker 1: No you can't. You've never heard that you are exactly Anyway,

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Speaker 1: my dad kicked the bucket. He didn't submit suicide. He

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Speaker 1: didn't submit suicide. He didn't submit it. He's a subtle

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Speaker 1: life are like I would like to By the way,

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Speaker 1: I also want to address something I said that kicking

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Speaker 1: the bucket. I was like, the thing about that expression

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Speaker 1: is you can always pick the bucket back up, But

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Speaker 1: if it is in fact about suicide, no you can't.

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Speaker 1: You hang in.

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Speaker 2: I think my explanation stands in that it started with

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Speaker 2: suicide and then it became colloquially about death.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I like that, and I'm gonna go with that

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Speaker 1: the authority on because but here's the thing. You're my

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Speaker 1: dad for the day, so I like it. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to honor my father in this moment. Ago dad knows.

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Speaker 2: Best exactly how my daughter should behave exactly. You get it.

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Speaker 1: And that's how you think all women should behave too, right,

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Speaker 1: Only the.

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Speaker 2: Ones that are too smart, only the ones they are.

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Speaker 1: Only those ones.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: On this podcast, I'm sitting down with father figures who

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Speaker 1: are old enough to be my dad? How old are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm literally not old enough to be I think you

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Speaker 2: are if.

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Speaker 1: You started fucking. Okay, all right, I'm twelve, I'm twelve.

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Speaker 1: I'm twelve to play. I'm twelve to play eighteen and over.

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Speaker 2: I have a tutor.

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Speaker 1: I'm on set and everything a tutor comes with me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're old enough to be my dad or the other options.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting down men who are just dads themselves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're that, you're that one, correct. I think I brought

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Speaker 1: you off. See when I booked you is because I

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Speaker 1: thought you were old enough to be my dad. I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know you had a kid.

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Speaker 2: That is not a compliment.

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm twelve, though, remember are you?

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Speaker 2: Actually?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're so like I look terrible for twelve.

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Speaker 2: No, you look great for twelve, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: But you're also so like specific with your word choices.

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Speaker 2: You have a great vocabulary. Thank you, twelve year old.

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Speaker 1: They're saying I can go to college next year.

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Speaker 2: Really we're gonna go?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I have dreams of going to Princeton

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Speaker 1: or something. Don't go to prince No, dad, do we

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Speaker 1: not have the money? You went to Princeton. I randomly

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Speaker 2: Not actually you just visited only in this fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I guess I'll start getting I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: stop playing games and get back to being real. This

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Speaker 1: has been the real world Today's guest. Oh. I didn't

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Speaker 1: write this, but I'm gonna go with it. Today's guest,

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Speaker 1: this is the charming host of Subway Takes. Did you

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Speaker 1: put charming? I, Anita? Did you put charming?

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Speaker 2: You definitely do. Thank you so much, Anita, You're amazing.

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Speaker 1: Anita has never used an adjective to describe anyone in

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Speaker 1: these guest intros. And what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Am I not quite literally? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be so.

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Speaker 2: Am I not quite literally charming?

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to be so opposed to it? And

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Speaker 1: stop in my tracks and go charming? You are charming.

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Speaker 2: It's just I've never seen a nice compliment.

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Speaker 1: But I actually just have went on a rant three

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Speaker 1: days ago about how I do not trust charming men,

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Speaker 1: so you might actually enjoy that. I am kind of

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Speaker 1: pausing and going charming, because when on a thirty minute

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Speaker 1: charming men not into the charismatic charming run away.

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Speaker 2: Those are good things.

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Speaker 1: Those are good things, but when in the hands of

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Speaker 1: a man, ooh, they're bad.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, with great power comes with great responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and that was charming, and okay. Today's asked is

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Speaker 1: the charming host again? If you want to be called charming,

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Speaker 1: that's your choice. But you know how I feel about it.

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Speaker 1: Host of subway takes, keep the meter running and the

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Speaker 1: last stop, please welcome my dad for the day. Kareem

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Speaker 1: Rama up. I like to say the guest intros imagining

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Speaker 1: there's a stadium of people and you're gonna come out

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Speaker 1: and appear like a stadium, not not not even a

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Speaker 1: come running out with whatever intro music you choose. The

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Speaker 1: intro music has been chosen, queen. No, it's already been chosen.

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Speaker 1: In this case. The podcast music is the podcast music, Queen.

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Speaker 1: It's not queen. If it's not queen, unfortunately, did you

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Speaker 1: want us to change it for your episode?

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Speaker 2: Desive?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, I think yes. Should I also be calling

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Speaker 1: my guests my dad for the hour? Because you're not

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Speaker 2: What are we doing after this? We're not change a tire.

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Speaker 1: I do need you to help me change a tire?

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Speaker 1: Are someone else's because I don't have one? You do

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Speaker 1: know how to change your time, You know how to

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Speaker 1: change your oil.

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Speaker 2: No, that's advanced fatherhood, that's advanced. That's for guys that

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Speaker 2: say stuff like I got a tinker in the garage, which.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, you're not tinkering in the garage.

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Speaker 2: We're busy. Okay, we are busy. I am a working father,

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Speaker 2: working class father.

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Speaker 1: I think modern dads are divas.

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Speaker 2: I think modern people are DeVos.

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Speaker 1: Modern then dads are included. Yeah, so you're saying you

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Speaker 1: agree with me. Yeah, most most modern dads are divas.

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Speaker 2: Most Okay, we have to zoom out of New York City. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm from the Midwest. Many a father are not divos there.

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Speaker 1: I believe that they're tinkering in the garage.

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Speaker 2: They're literally like I gotta I have friends that live

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, if that were me, I would

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Speaker 2: pay someone five thousand dollars for sure. You know what

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Speaker 2: a dad thing is an American? An American dad.

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Speaker 2: A saying that they have is see, I'm in a

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Speaker 2: butcher it it's a hut.

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Speaker 1: Are you even a dad.

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Speaker 2: Called once measured twice.

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Speaker 1: Cut once measured twice. What does that even mean?

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Speaker 2: It means like, that's such a dad job.

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Speaker 1: Cut once measured twice? And where do we think that

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Speaker 1: that fucking came from?

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Speaker 2: From a fucking tinkering man?

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, what's the etymology there? And what's on

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Speaker 1: that colloquialism?

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Speaker 2: It's probably like about measuring something and he's like, just

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Speaker 2: measure it twice again. Cut once measured twice. I think

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Speaker 2: I believe it.

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Speaker 1: My mom says, penny wise pound foolish. That immediately makes sense.

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Speaker 2: No, that literally makes what.

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Speaker 1: No, penny wise pound foolish. It's kind of like you

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Speaker 1: get what you no, no, no, no, no, go with me.

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Speaker 1: You know she went to college in London. Okay, penny

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Speaker 1: wise pound foolish and not penny not penny wise, the

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Speaker 1: scary clown. Penny space wise pound foolish. Probably a comment

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Speaker 2: To me, this means that pennies are smart and money

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Speaker 2: and pounds are dumb.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, so literally, and you thought kicking the bucket

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Speaker 1: man literally kicking the bucket. I mean I guess it. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm stepping in ship. Penny wise pound foolish

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Speaker 1: a thing and get a discount or like do the

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Speaker 1: cheap version of the thing, but then you end up

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Speaker 1: losing pounds. You end up losing more. You lose more

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Speaker 2: You go to the files? I was going through the files.

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Speaker 2: I have a brother and sister, but they're younger.

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Speaker 2: I saw the lies and the exaggeration and the exaggeration

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Speaker 2: He was a guy who had a lot of different

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Speaker 2: Wasn't necessarily the greatest success story.

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Speaker 2: He was like he really tried, yes, and he really

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Speaker 1: Do you admire his trying?

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Speaker 2: I think it's amazing true because he just didn't want

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Speaker 1: I know, you sit on the subway all day, literally

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Speaker 2: Oh? For sure. I mean the thing that people don't

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Speaker 2: But there are literally fifteen hundred other failed ideas of yours. Yes,

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 2: It's a website that I built where you could book

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing fucking begoo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So that unfailed?

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Speaker 2: Inbox Cupid?

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Speaker 1: Inbox Cupid go off? What's that upon? Okay?

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Speaker 2: For dating? So rather than getting a coupon in your

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Speaker 1: Not mad at why did that fail? Why did that fail?

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Speaker 2: no there was no like algorithm. It would just be like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: There's no preference there, just like it's just like that's it.

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Speaker 1: Whoopee doesn't want a man in her house and I

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Speaker 1: why that failed. Respectfully, Dad, of course I admire you

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Speaker 2: But anyway, that's why I save for the club. What

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Speaker 2: It's also very very patriarchal patriarch What is the word.

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Speaker 1: The analogy of that word is patriarchal, patriarchal.

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Speaker 2: It's patriarchal, patriarchal patriarch.

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Speaker 2: Let's think about this one, because I had a moderate

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, were you guys cutting pizzas into like little

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Speaker 2: For the consumer, it was good.

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Speaker 2: I mean to the consumer it was fine.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was like, I did it?

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Speaker 1: Were you thinking long term?

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Speaker 2: Of course not? No.

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Speaker 2: dad's from. So like I didn't get to know her

444
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 2: that well, but she was like a like she was normal, yeah,

445
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,240
Speaker 2: in a great way.

446
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 1: And then do you think she thought her son was

447
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: Kookie your dad?

448
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 2: I think she was very proud of him. But I

449
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,439
Speaker 2: think yeah, because he's like moved to America in nineteen

450
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 2: sixty nine, pre the internet, Like, oh, this is a

451
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: funny story. Like he told his family he was moving

452
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,160
Speaker 2: to America and they all go, haha, sure you are.

453
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: And they didn't believe him. They thought he like went

454
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: to Alexandria to like the ocean, to the Mediterranean seats

455
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: for like vacation, to fuck off for a couple of months. Yeah,

456
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until he wrote a letter from America,

457
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: being like, I'm literally in America, guys that they were like,

458
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: holy shit, he actually did it. He did it, He

459
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 2: really went actually made it. He was also a stuntman

460
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: whoa in these days in Egypt. He was like in

461
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 2: a couple like he was in a bunch of movies.

462
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: That's verified.

463
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 2: You know that, that's verified. I've seen photos and I've

464
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 2: seen one clip of the movie.

465
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: Did you trust your dad, by the way, because given

466
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 1: that you're like, some of these things were true, some

467
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: were not. He exaggerated a lot. Did you trust him?

468
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,640
Speaker 2: I trusted him, but I did not agree with him.

469
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 2: Say more, please, So I trusted that he was like that,

470
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 2: that he had our best interests in mind, but I

471
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 2: did not agree with a lot of his methodology.

472
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: Okay, did you guys butt heads? Then a lot did?

473
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: We were not necessarily friends. Okay, from a very we

474
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:55,400
Speaker 2: were OPSA When did your father.

475
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 1: Pass My father passed away summer. Actually don't know exactly when.

476
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 2: So you never met him.

477
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: I had met him. I did visitation as a kid

478
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: and everything, but I just didn't have a relationship with him.

479
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: I think the last time I did visitation, I was

480
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 1: four years old, and then I hadn't seen him since then,

481
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: but I know his whole side of the family, my

482
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: cousins and I.

483
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: I have to do something Dad right now.

484
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: Okay, go Dad. He's about to do something Dad. Coaster

485
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: coaster King. He's using a coaster and he's like, I

486
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: had to get the coaster that's very dead on the

487
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: not on the fresh wood, which is probably just plastic.

488
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: And now that I'm kicking the table, I'm like, I

489
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 1: respect that though. Okay, no, but I didn't have a

490
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: relationship with him whatsoever. But you and your dad butt heads.

491
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: You were not friends more like ops, did that upset

492
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: you as a kid? Did you want it to be different?

493
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 2: With him? It was this thing where he like, I

494
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: think it's an Arab culture thing, and I think it's

495
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: that time, like the eldest son mm hmm. Like I

496
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 2: remember he's like like I would play video games. I

497
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: was like ten, and he'd be like enough with the

498
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 2: video games, like you're not a kid, and I'm like,

499
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm literally a kid, dude, dude, I'm literally kid. I'm

500
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 2: literally a kid. And he would be like like these

501
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: games are for kids, and I'm like, man, like, do

502
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: you not see who I'm literally dead. Yeah, and so

503
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 2: that's like where it started, you know, and like for

504
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 2: so long before that, it would be like We're going

505
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: to Minards, which is like home depot, and I would

506
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 2: just like be walking behind him, like you. I was

507
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: like his little like assistant, okay, but not his friend.

508
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 1: Not his friend.

509
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: And then as I grew older, I became his like

510
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: his employee.

511
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: Really, how long ago did your dad pass.

512
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: In two thousand and seven?

513
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in college, and so you became his employee.

514
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: When did it shift from employee to what it was

515
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: at the end of his life?

516
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 2: It never shifted when.

517
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: He died, you were still his employee.

518
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 2: We made a deal. So once I made it to college, Yes,

519
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 2: we had a literal hand like we had a business

520
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: agreement that it was like I was written. This is

521
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: like it was a handshake. It wasn't written, but it

522
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: was an oral.

523
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: Or that stands that stands in a court of law.

524
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: Does it does?

525
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: I had witnesses.

526
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: I remember I had my family. I did a call

527
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: the family meeting. You called the family I called the

528
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: family meeting. Wow, witnesses, mother, maybe brother, and sister, I

529
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 2: don't remember, but I definitely called the.

530
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: Family meeting because you're like, I want something.

531
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: I said, once I make it to college, this guy

532
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: can't tell me what to do anymore.

533
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

534
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: And he said, you make it to college, I will

535
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: agree with agree to that.

536
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: How old were you when you called that family meeting?

537
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: It was probably sixteen, and I went to college at eighteen.

538
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: Yes, did he go to college.

539
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: He went to college in Egypt, and an.

540
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: Education was obviously something that.

541
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: Was There was no question, of course, there was like,

542
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: you're going to college.

543
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: Did he care what you studied?

544
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: No?

545
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: Oh really no, I neither did I really did you study?

546
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 2: I went to college to So I went to the

547
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: University of Minnesota, which was about twenty minutes away from

548
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: my house, and I chose it because I was too

549
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: lazy to go tour colleges. I was not like that

550
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: motivated by education.

551
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he was worried that you were not

552
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: going to make anything of yourself because you played video

553
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: games at ten and because you weren't motivated by education

554
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: when you were teer.

555
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: I think he was just a worried guy. And he

556
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: was also a control freak.

557
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay. Do you think he suffered from anxiety like clinical anxiety?

558
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: I think he suffered from other things, but I don't

559
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: think it was anxiety.

560
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: What other things, I don't know.

561
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: Maybe some sort of like delusional thing, but not not

562
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: in like a like an evil way. But I think he,

563
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, was like a weirdly delusional sometimes. Yeah, maybe

564
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: like a little OCD. Right, okay, But you know, it's

565
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 2: like he was a good guy. Like he didn't do

566
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: anything bad, right, We just didn't agreed, and I think

567
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: he did. Like nowadays, I'm like, I actually like kind

568
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: of appreciate the kind of work ethic he instilled in me.

569
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: You know, at the time, it was miserable. Like I

570
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: remember one summer I planned it, Like he decided to

571
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: put hedges in our lawn and build like a fence

572
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: made out of trees around the cool fucking perimeter of

573
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 2: our yard. It's really beautiful. And guess what I went

574
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: and I saw that's my childhood home. And the hedges

575
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: are they're twelve feet.

576
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: And it's stunning. And when the real estate agent is

577
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: showing it to whoever in the year twenty nineteen, it's like,

578
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: this beautiful home with gorgeous hedges, and you're like, my

579
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: dad planted those, No, no, no, I planted them. But Okay,

580
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: you planted.

581
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: Them, because that's what I mean.

582
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: You were an assistant.

583
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: No, yeah, he was like, this is your job. Oh

584
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: my god, dig these holes.

585
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, put these trees in the Sorry I

586
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't realize.

587
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: And at the time they were known better.

588
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: You were literally his assistant.

589
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: It was his employee.

590
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Okay, well, yes, an assistant isn't employee.

591
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: But the hard work paid off because because I they

592
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 2: were like two and three feet tall, and I was like,

593
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: this doesn't this is not a fence, dude.

594
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: I was like, there's gaps between every single tree and

596
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 2: they're short. Everyone can see you. Yeah, put up a

597
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: fucking fence. Yeah, that's what I was like. He was like,

598
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I'm doing the trees. And I kid

599
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: you not. There was probably forty or fifty of them.

600
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: They're still there and they're stunning. It's stunning. Now.

601
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I dug every hole and put a tree in

602
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: every hole. It took so low that and he would manage, right,

603
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: but you know, he would just stand there and be like,

604
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: dig it deeper. Yeah.

605
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: That project manager who's just like, I am an engineer,

606
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: but I'm not actually doing the work.

607
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: I'm watching.

608
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: Wow, did you ever have like an allowance or anything

609
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: like that from him.

610
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: I had an allowance, but he he we didn't have

611
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: a lot of money, so the allowance was was not

612
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: enough for a for a man of my taste.

613
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you like.

614
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. We were going to Burlington coll Factory,

615
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: and the other kids they were going to fucking like

616
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: like you know, like the Macy's right, right, and there's

617
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: a big difference.

618
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: Difference was Hex around for you guys. Don't department store,

619
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: no woolworth No.

620
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: Where the hell did you grow up Maryland? You're like,

621
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: I grew up in fucking London. By that sounds like

622
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: a villain from Wi w I think it's literally the

623
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: guy's name in Willy Wonka. It might be.

624
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: But Woolworths and Hex these were his apartment stores.

625
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw what does Dodie? What does Dody own?

626
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: Who's Dody?

627
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: This is Diana's husband or no boyfriend? Lover?

628
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Dody. I was like, I thought

629
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: the princess, the prince's name was Charles or something. The

630
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: hot charming, hotarmingy charming again, I'm dangerous.

631
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: The very dangerous. Look how it ended up but whatever.

632
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: Store he owned, that's where the people everyone else was shopping.

633
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: No, that's in England.

634
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: That's in England.

635
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: They were shopping at Macy's. They were shopping. I was

636
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: shopping at Burlington coll Factory.

637
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to cut the part out where I'm confused.

638
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: The kids at school were shopping at Macy's.

639
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Every part where I'm confused, Cut it out.

640
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: And it is too busy, everything.

641
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: Where I look bad and my listening comprehension is in question,

642
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: cut it out. Okay. Anyway, so keep going Macy's. They're

643
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: shopping at Macy's. You were broke, you wanted to shop at.

644
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: Macy So, I said, Dad, I'm getting a job.

645
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: I was fortunate you would sit him down. It seems

646
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: like you.

647
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Would have business meetings.

648
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Did he call them business meetings or that what you

649
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: would call them.

650
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: I would knock on his door in his fake office

651
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 2: that he worked out of.

652
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: Doing office was fake too.

653
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: One day, yeah, the office was that. I mean one

654
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: day there was just a room in our garage with

655
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: a computer and the fridge and no, no, the fridge

656
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: fridge was moved into the garage, but the room, like

657
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: he put up a walk two walls and like made

658
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: a room.

659
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: They do that in New York City though, too, and

660
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: say it's that this is a three bedroom apartment, but

661
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: it's really it was one of those okay, okay.

662
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: And there was a computer in it, and he's like,

663
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: this is my office and I don't even what do

664
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: you do for a living? What do you need a

665
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: computer for? You would never say that, No, I think

666
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: I was like, this is sick.

667
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Were you ever scared of him?

668
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: Of course?

669
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Did you get spanked as a kid.

670
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. He wasn't physical, but he was so scary.

671
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was big, yeah, and a cloud okay stern, yes,

672
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: very stern? Was he super religiou is? Did he drink?

673
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: He smoked in front of you while you're planting trees

674
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Did he pass that on to you?

675
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: I smoked and then he died from one cancer?

676
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: And do you still smoke?

677
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm addicted to naked.

678
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: And that's okay, true loss, Yeah, I just.

679
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Do him orally or n I think smoking is disgusting

680
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: for everyone who's listening.

681
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a subway take, by the way.

682
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it makes you look yeah, poor.

683
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what.

684
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: Cut that keep it in keeping it.

685
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: We need to we need to even the playing field here. No,

686
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's okay. That's why we love subway takes.

687
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: So what else did he instill in you that that

688
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: sticks with you? Work ethic? It seems like his entrepreneurial

689
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: spirit smoking?

690
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: What else?

691
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: What else?

692
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: I do think that I'm if you know me well enough,

693
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm holding court at the dinner table and

694
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: you're my close friend. You're like, this story is ten

695
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: percent exaggerated.

696
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: Yes, Nigerians are exaggerators too. If I'm allowed to say,

697
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: it's is it fire? I'm like a service, it's entertainment.

698
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: Yes, do you want to go to dinner with a

699
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: boring guy? Or do you want to go to a

700
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: dinner with a guy who like? Did Molly with Elon Musk?

701
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: And you're literally lying you've never met Elon Musk? No,

702
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: I to God, I have my right Shoulder'm like, you

703
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: have met him, You've met him, But would he remember you? Okay?

704
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Did you do Molly with.

705
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: What you considered Molly?

706
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, he I tell the story of a planet

707
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: you were doing and Elon Musk was on the planet.

708
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 2: Let's just say that at one point we were at

709
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: the same party and at one point I was offered molly. Okay,

710
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: And at one point I did Molly with Elon Musk.

711
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: Meaning and he was there at the party.

712
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, it depends on Friday. He's a dinner.

713
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: Who's a dinner? Is it you?

714
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: It's Grimes. Grimes is there can confirm deny that Elon

715
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: was there. He's a dinner. She's at the dinner with you?

716
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.

717
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: And you're going to stick to the story, almost stick

718
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: to the story.

719
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: And if she said, oh my.

720
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: Gosh, current dad. Okay, so someone is sitting at dinner

721
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: with you, you're telling this is exaggerators where they're like,

722
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: that's his dad there, he is being his dad.

723
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't. Don't you want people to like you?

724
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I do? But you so your dad was really likable?

725
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah he was really Yeah, I'm not actually kid.

726
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: He was handsome.

727
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. He was handsome.

728
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: Did he work out?

729
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: He? I can show you some pictures where you will

730
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: probably both be flicking the bean in the studio.

731
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to be flicking the bean while someone builds

732
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: a cabinet in the corner. Okay, but no, you're a dad.

733
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

734
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: How old is your kid?

735
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: She's six months old?

736
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: Six months old?

737
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I'm a girl dad.

738
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Hashtag girl dad, hashtag girl? Do we like? No, you

739
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: have you have a six month old and then you

740
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: have me?

741
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot about you.

742
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh dad behavior.

743
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: We need to have a meeting about this.

744
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, you're gonna have call a meeting with me.

745
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm calling a meeting with you. That's why I brought you. So.

746
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Now that you're a dad, what are some things you

747
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: learned from your dad that you would like to instill

748
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: in your daughter? Do you want her to exaggerate?

749
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind it when she starts talking proud. I mean,

750
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: I already know she's gonna exaggerate. Kids talk and they

751
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: say stupid shit all the time, and I'm like, yeah, totally,

752
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: that definitely happened to you. She's gonna be like, I

753
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: was walking home and this, and I flew back home.

754
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: How'd you get I flew on a bird's wings And

755
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: I'll go, that's crazy.

756
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go that didn't really happen.

757
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: Sweet.

758
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Do you want your kid to believe in like the

759
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: tooth fairy?

760
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Until somebody I'm not gonna squash those dreams.

761
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: You're not going to No, I.

762
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Think I think that like one thing that I will

763
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: say that, like okay, so like I am trying to

764
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: take all of the great stuff that my father put

765
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: in me and I'm trying to put a Kareem filter

766
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: on it, which I would say is like healthy and

767
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: self aware of my actions, which I don't know if

768
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: he was so self aware of his actions, Like I

769
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: don't know if he knew that he was damaging or

770
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: if he was just didn't give a shit. But he

771
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: wasn't a bad like I said, He's not a bad guy.

772
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: Who's a different time. It's like and I'm also not

773
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: giving excuses. It's just like he grew up in Egypt.

774
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: He moved to America nineteen sixty nine by himself. It

775
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: was just a different upbringing.

776
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: You speak about it with such grace now and empathy.

777
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: You didn't always have that, right.

778
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: No, I was like he's I didn't like him, Like

779
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: we didn't like it. We actually didn't like each other.

780
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he probably my mom. God bless her, she's

781
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: not dead. I'm just saying God bless.

782
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Her, and she's alive.

783
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: You can still.

784
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Bless someone, our mom, my grandmother. You're yes, you're my grandmother,

785
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: You're not my brother and my dad. I need you

786
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: to know that.

787
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes I've been watching too much porn hub. Oh lord,

788
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: cut that, keep that in. I want all the porn

789
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: hub heads hit me up.

790
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: I don't want no, they can listen whatever. We need

791
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: the listeners.

792
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Okay what Yeah, my mom, she would tell me to

793
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: this day that he was like that because he actually,

794
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: like loved me so much that he was he was worried.

795
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: He was really worried that something bad was going to happen.

796
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: So that's why he was so hard on you.

797
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: That's why he was in control freak. That's why he's

798
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: so hard. That's why he was trying to, like, for

799
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: lack of better words, control me. And at the time,

800
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't control me.

801
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Look at his hair. You can't control him.

802
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. I'm unmanageable. Yeah, I'm like Kanye, I'm on.

803
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: Your curls are so beautiful. I can't say my eyes

804
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: like my dad's curls. No, cut that out for real, No, No,

805
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: keep it in. I do want to cut that out.

806
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: Cut it.

807
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Put it in every shap you want to cut that out.

808
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: Holy ship. Have you ever told any of your previous

809
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: guests that they're darming?

810
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: No? I don't know why that was in there.

811
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: Have you ever complimented Have you ever complimented your previous

812
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: guests hair?

813
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: No, I haven't. I just think you're a really good dad.

814
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: But no, a good dad. What if I'm like, my.

815
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Dad is fucking I just said, I literally say that

816
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: about it. I'm not even gay.

817
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to be gay to think of look

818
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: at me doing palsy to do the math? Okay, No,

819
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: So you would be proud if your daughter exaggerated because

820
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: you also think that it means she's likable. That's that's

821
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: You're like, she's likable, And I don't want to crush

822
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: your chi. That's beautiful.

823
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: Like, do you want a boring person on your podcast? Kid?

824
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Was it?

825
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: Okay?

826
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: No? Okay, also cut this out. I'm sorry this is

827
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: a terrible episode. Okay, it's not terrible because of you,

828
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: because I'm shipting the bed.

829
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Okay, So no one's going to know what to cut out.

830
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: By the way, I know, because I've said everything out.

831
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing we call you and say. No, I was

832
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: going somewhere with this that I was heading somewhere. Was

833
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: it comforting to hear from your mom that your dad

834
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: was the way he was toward you because he loved

835
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: you so much?

836
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: One?

837
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: Was it comforting? Two? Did you buy it? And maybe

838
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: I should reverse those questions both?

839
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, Yeah, I do believe it at this point.

840
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: I do believe it, Like because like I say, I'm like,

841
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: he didn't have He wasn't bad, you know what I mean.

842
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: He was good. He was a good guy. He took it.

843
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: We always had food, We were always safe. He was

844
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: a weird guy, though, like like to prove to me

845
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: how we lived in the suburbs. Like he would be like,

846
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: let's go get White Castle at one in the morning,

847
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: but in the ghetto.

848
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: And be like, let me just show you.

849
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he'd be like, see, I the most important

850
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: thing is you guys that we live in a nice

851
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: neighborhood and in a nice house, because we could be

852
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: living here.

853
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: What are you thinking.

854
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm literally fifteen, and I'm like, I'm tired. There's school tomorrow,

855
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: not on a school night. Yeah. No, he was reckless.

856
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I think he was just weird. He just

857
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: kind of did what he wanted like I would come home.

858
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: I think, you know, like, let's call it seventeen sixteen,

859
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: had a little bit to drink out with my friends,

860
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: and I don't say homies.

861
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 1: Okay.

862
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

863
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you're on as a mic, you're like, I'm

864
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: not this person.

865
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: I like close that U. Yes, I cut it out.

866
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: I almost. And you know when people I'm on like

867
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: a call or something and somebody's like, my homies, I'm like,

868
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: you are not seventeen?

869
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: Yes, why are you talking?

870
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I'm talking like this though, because like

871
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: I'm back in my seventeen.

872
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: Year old No, but you're my dad now stop.

873
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: But back then I did.

874
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you did have homies seventeen okay. So he'd be like, okay,

875
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, be a little.

876
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: Little drunk and come home. And I'd be like, oh, okay, great,

877
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: and I walk in. My dad would just be sitting

878
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: in the living room like doing nothing.

879
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'd be a little he was he waiting

880
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: for you to come home TBD.

881
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: But then he'd be like, yeah, I think he was.

882
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Because we ever d because he's dead, because we'll never TV.

883
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: Will never D TBA to be announced in the next episode.

884
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna talk to the day my dad

885
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: and yours. Well, that's actually a nice way to build.

886
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: To try to talk to dead people.

887
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should. I'm The second episode of this pod

888
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: is that we do a thing.

889
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm not into spirits. I'll do it, no, but you

890
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: can do it in your own space.

891
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: No, you're not going to do it on this just

892
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: for myself intellectual property.

893
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't want spirits coming near me and to my home.

894
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to. Don't get me started on spirits.

895
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: There is a lot of them.

896
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: There are a lot of them. But I believe in

897
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: the spirits and I don't want them attached to you.

898
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I can sense as much you've been haunted. I want

899
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: to ask more about that. But I want to know

900
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: about your dad.

901
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So I would come to.

902
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: We'll do a Sands episode and Kareem's home in his

903
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: own studio, because you don't want the spirits.

904
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: In the third party neutral locations.

905
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: It can't be. I don't want to be there.

906
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: I've haunted already.

907
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: Do it what we were Okay, I'll do it in

908
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: the studios.

909
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: Don't do it, okay, So so, so I would come

910
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: home a little tipsy and i'd be like, I'm going

911
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: to go. I can't wait to go into my bedroom,

912
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: eat a huge bowl of cereal and watch a movie.

913
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: And he would be up and he'd be like hey,

914
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: and I'd be like, what's up. And he'd be like,

915
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: let's go to Taco Bell and I'm like, you should

916
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: not be awake and yeah, but he's like he didn't

917
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: know I drank. So then I would be like, I

918
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: have to drive this guy. I'm hammered. Oh no, this

919
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: guy's also hammered. Oh no, but he's not gonna know.

920
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm hammered because he's hammered.

921
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: Drunk driving it driving is bad, Dad saying you don't

922
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: want me driving? No, okay, Dad.

923
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: My dad didn't know I was drunk because I didn't

924
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: tell him.

925
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's spooky that now talk about spirits, spook. I

926
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: was off the spirits.

927
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: I was off the sauce. You were actually off the

928
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: spirit both off the spirits.

929
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: Spirits? Were you drinking?

930
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: Oh? Like bad stuff like fuckings and like schnapps? I

931
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: was going to call schlock.

932
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I didn't drink much in my early to and the

933
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: first time I saw schnapps on him and I was

934
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: like schnaps and someone's like, girl, no, and I go,

935
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't drink. I do drink down anyway,

936
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, you drink. I'm sorry, twelve, I know,

937
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: I know, but I love twelve. I'm aging really for twelve.

938
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 2: And so you'll get great. If you want to continue

939
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: to look great, you'll stop putting poisons.

940
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: Literal poison. But we're not here to tell you what

941
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: to do and how to live your life. But do

942
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: not drive drunk. I agree, yes, okay your dad? Now?

943
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

944
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: What do you care about most as a parent in

945
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: terms of how your daughter turns out?

946
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: I mean I want her to feel independent but also really.

947
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: Secure, independent but also really secure secure, like in terms

948
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: of self esteem or like financially, no, like like.

949
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: Self esteem, Like I want her to know that she

950
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: is like safe to say what she wants and try

951
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: what she wants and talk about what she wants and

952
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: all of those like like to just not be afraid

953
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: of poppa.

954
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: Do you not want her to be afraid of you

955
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: because you were afraid of your dad and you're like

956
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: that sucked.

957
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: I haven't psychoanalyzed myself enough, okay, but probably okay, but

958
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: probably not maybe I don't know. You don't know, but

959
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: I haven't thought about it enough. Sure, Like I'm just

960
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to feel.

961
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: Winging it as a dad?

962
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: Am I winging it else?

963
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because when I met you, when you told me

964
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 1: you had a child, you were like the first few

965
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: months of having a kid, I was a little like

966
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: what I do, because you didn't necessarily feel connected to

967
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: her the first few months.

968
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: I think it's important to talk. I want to talk

969
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: about because I felt as like, I know a lot

970
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: of other dads and everyone's like, I love you know,

971
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: I love my kids so much like blah blah blah,

972
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: like you know what normal people say. Right, And when

973
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: my kid was born, sorry, kid, I was like, all right,

974
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 2: I have a kid, and I kind of was just

975
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: like okay, like and I was like looking at her

976
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: and I was kind of like, didn't feel a lot. Yeah,

977
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: And I've since learned that that is actually pretty common

978
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 2: for men.

979
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: No one, I've never heard anyone talk about it before.

980
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: You said, a lot of people talk, but it is

981
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: you have to seek out the information. But I do

982
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 2: think it's common for men to not have established this

983
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: like emotional and physical relationship with a baby because it's

984
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: being carried by the mother, which the mother is literally

985
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: has a human being inside of her talking to her.

986
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 2: You know, my wife Karina was talking to the kid

987
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: and like reading it books and and it's just like

988
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: a different thing, like they've already known each other for

989
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: nine months. And then she comes out and literally my

990
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: first thought was what's wrong with her head?

991
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: Really? It was like she's beautiful or I'm a dad.

992
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Now did you tap the doctor on the shoulder and

993
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: said he that thing's.

994
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Head is so point though you'll find this interesting. She

995
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: looks like my dad. That freaked me out. I almost

996
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: got dizzy, Not emotional, but dizzy. I mean, I guess

997
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: I was like, why is my dad here?

998
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: Really?

999
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she looked just like my dad.

1000
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: It was your dad have a pointy head? No, I'm sorry,

1001
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: I just because you said he his face, because you

1002
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: said he was so handsome. I was like, but the

1003
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: pointy head. You lose me.

1004
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: There she the head goes away. Of course, of course

1005
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: I thought it was an emergency you did. I was like,

1006
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: we are going to need to put like a rounding

1007
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: device on this thing.

1008
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: How did you prepare for fatherhood?

1009
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I was really a present part nerve for

1010
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: my wife, and I just like I was just like,

1011
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: this is the person that I need to just like

1012
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: attach myself to, and anything that she needs or wants

1013
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: or expresses, I'm going to receive it and like put

1014
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: it into me, you know what I mean? Because I

1015
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: think that like a lot of what I want to

1016
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: do and a lot of what I am doing is

1017
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: going with my gut. And I actually have been, you know,

1018
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: been told that I'm doing a good job.

1019
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Who tells you that my wife.

1020
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: And even her mom has stayed with us for two

1021
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: months and my mom yeah, and they're like, I wouldn't

1022
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: say they're surprised. They're like, you know, you're doing a

1023
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: great job. And none of them are like where'd you

1024
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: learn it? But it is my gut because I'm not

1025
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: on fucking Reddit being like how to whatever. So I'm

1026
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 2: going with my gut because I think. And the other

1027
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: thing is I think, like you know, some people, like

1028
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: some people are like, oh, I've changed so much, like

1029
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: ever since I had a kid. I'm just like so

1030
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: respectful now and like I see the world through a

1031
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: woman's eyes and blah blah blah. I'm like, you're just

1032
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: saying that you were a piece of shit for a

1033
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: long time, like you were literally a piece of shit.

1034
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're not oh I'm hearing is you want

1035
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: me to compliment you? And I'm like, no, I hear

1036
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: you're a piece.

1037
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Of sh I'm literally like you're just a piece of shit.

1038
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: And so like this, this transformation never happened to me,

1039
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I was already had a dad vibe.

1040
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of my like what are

1041
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: the words, like values are already like I feel like

1042
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: a good guy. Yeah, And so I didn't feel like

1043
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: a transformation. It was just like, Okay, cool, I wake

1044
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: up and now I'm a father and I have a

1045
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: big responsibility. But it doesn't feel like I'm so transformed.

1046
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1047
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: But I will say from the time that we talked,

1048
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: which was maybe three months ago, I.

1049
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: Don't even know if it was up to three months, scream,

1050
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: I feel like it was me going it wasn't three,

1051
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: it was two. I'm sorry, but here you are exaggerating

1052
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: a shin.

1053
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 2: Okay, So she started like this is what I'll say.

1054
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: The first three months, She's a potato, just like I

1055
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: have a potato in my house.

1056
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: Okay, she still doesn't give a shit about me. I'm

1057
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: still useless, and do you give a shit about her?

1058
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: Besides being like I want to protect the potato, protect

1059
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: the potato. Sure, like that's it. I'm not like connected

1060
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: to them to protect the potatoes mother, and okay, great guys,

1061
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: and like missus potato.

1062
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: For missus potato, any anything. It's it almost felt like

1063
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: like Caveman days, where I'm like what can I do?

1064
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm literally because I can't do anything. Yeah, the baby's breastfeeding, yeah,

1065
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: and like that's all it needs is like food.

1066
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Would you wake up when your wife would bastfeed

1067
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, because she's a very

1068
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: nice person, okay, and you'd be like just.

1069
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: No, she wouldn't even try. She would just be like

1070
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: what's the point. She would a bed, just like what's

1071
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: the point? I can't do anything? Yeah, And I would

1072
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: offer and she's like just why yeah, okay, I don't

1073
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: need that. But she would be like I need blueberries,

1074
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: and I'd be like cool, boom, go get blueberry. Like

1075
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I was.

1076
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: Eager to do whatever whatever you could.

1077
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: She wanted, And it felt like I was like hunter

1078
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: gatherer because there's all this stuff like I remember being like,

1079
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: really I was sleep deprived, like you know, regardless, and

1080
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: like being at Target the first time in the diaper

1081
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: aisle and being like this is so weird. Like I'm

1082
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: in the diaper, I'm like looking at clothes. I remember

1083
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: buying the clothes because she needed more onesies, and I'm like,

1084
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 2: this is so like that was a moment that felt

1085
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: really weird. Like I was like, I'm a dad, like

1086
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: because you see dads doing that, but then I'm not,

1087
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm him.

1088
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Now I'm doing that. My life has changed exactly what

1089
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I like.

1090
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: You know, it was so weird, but I was gonna

1091
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 2: say I will say that like once she started smiling,

1092
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: which is that three months game over won me over

1093
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: so obsessed, you know what I mean, So like because

1094
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: she recognized me, and then I'm like, oh, they're like

1095
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: dad is so the feeling came. It just took a

1096
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: little bit of time.

1097
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: And you're saying it's normal.

1098
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: I think it's normal. I mean I think people talk

1099
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: about it, like like I think people don't talk about

1100
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: it a lot because everybody wants to be like everybody wants.

1101
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: To be nice, which is yeah, and we want kindness.

1102
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: That's the thing.

1103
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: Nice is it's a more interesting story at if you're

1104
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: like how was it with your I mean I'm sure

1105
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: When you were like how is it, and I was like, honestly,

1106
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. This kid's weird, Like it's kind of weird.

1107
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate transparency and honesty and authenticity, so at my response,

1108
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I actually was like, oh, that's interesting. I have a

1109
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: podcast and I want you to come on because I

1110
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: haven't heard that. But it makes sense though when you

1111
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: said it, I was like, oh, that would make sense

1112
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: because I had this bit I wanted to work on

1113
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: a while ago. But I was like, I can't tell

1114
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: if it's too dark where I was like, it's in

1115
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: my phone where I'm like, people want to introduce you

1116
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: to their babies and I'm supposed to immediately love the baby,

1117
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know you. Is that terrible?

1118
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know.

1119
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: This baby, tw you No, It's true, like yeah.

1120
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: And then I was like is it fun? Is it funny?

1121
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Because then I talked to people and I was like,

1122
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: I really want my niece to feel connected to me.

1123
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: So I have a three year old niece and an

1124
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: eleven month old niece. You have that I do. I

1125
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: have that and I'm twelve.

1126
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: That's crazy, but I have my brother's so big.

1127
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: I note dad, dad, other family, other family, dads know

1128
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: about other families. You am all right, okay? And I

1129
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: really I was like, I want them to feel connected

1130
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: to me, and someone who's like, oh, they're not gonna

1131
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,959
Speaker 1: even register anything truly meaningful until she's like eighteen months

1132
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: or something like that in terms of being like that's

1133
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: on tiego. But I'm like, yeah, I hold the baby.

1134
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: I get so excited that my brother has a baby.

1135
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: They're so precious. I take a million pictures of them.

1136
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: I feel connected because they're my blood. But like a

1137
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: stranger introduced me, I don't know this baby. I don't

1138
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: know this baby. And when the baby can talk, when

1139
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: you're a stranger baby and I can talk, I bet

1140
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: you will have a blast or even if they're saying

1141
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: half sentences.

1142
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: Just develop some sort of related It gives.

1143
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: Anything, you know. But we're supposed to love a baby

1144
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: off off the bat. I want to protect him. I

1145
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: wanted to be saved, but I don't know. I have

1146
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: a dog, which is not answer question no, but I

1147
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: go fine because I'm not a crazy dog person to

1148
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: be fair. I like have a dog. I love him.

1149
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: He's a sweetie. I look into his eyes and I go,

1150
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: what a sweet, innocent little baby. I want to protect.

1151
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not an insane dog person. My dog and

1152
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: I are we not kissing on the mouth. Okay, I'm

1153
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: not kissing my dog. My dog's paws are getting wiped.

1154
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: These New York City streets are disgusting. Anytime I wipe

1155
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: his paws when we come in black just black dirt,

1156
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but on the quickest walk? Why do

1157
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: you have to anyway? Your baby? You change your diapers?

1158
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: Was there anything you felt you weren't gonna do with

1159
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the baby? Because they're like, I'm eager, I'm ready.

1160
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm ready to go.

1161
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: Do you want your daughter to feel like when she

1162
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: can talk, when she is going through herself, that she

1163
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: can confide in you, like, yes, she has mom, but

1164
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: like you can also tell me everything. Is that something

1165
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: you want?

1166
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? And everyone seems to think that she's gonna be

1167
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: obsessed with me? Probably?

1168
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably? Does she smile every time you come around?

1169
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: She's so excited? Yeah, I mean I'm fun. Yeah, I'm

1170
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 2: not a milk factory but I'm fun. I'm mister take

1171
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: you on a watch.

1172
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think you're going to be a disciplinariant?

1173
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: Ah? This is I think like a in a very Yeah,

1174
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: I think so. I'm also I I'm strict. I operate

1175
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: a strict household. Yes, okay, you know, but it's for

1176
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: myself too, you know. I like like clutter free. I

1177
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: like to put things away. I think these are good things.

1178
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: Though I'm not like so I'm not like militant. Okay,

1179
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not like gonna freak out, but like

1180
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: I do the dishes because I like a clean sink,

1181
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: and I, you know, know, shoes in the house, like,

1182
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: and I make the bed every morning and like it's

1183
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: just stuff like that. I feel like is like in

1184
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, cleanliness is next to godliness.

1185
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1186
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 2: I think some cliches are good.

1187
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: Some of them are good.

1188
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: Yes, they're like no no, I'm saying, like they're true truth, yes,

1189
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: and I think that's good. So I'm like some of

1190
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: these things are like universal truth. So I think I'll

1191
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: do that. But I'm not gonna like ride her for

1192
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: any I don't think I'm gonna ride her. You know,

1193
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let her have My mom actually gave me

1194
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: a really good piece of advice, which was our.

1195
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: Mom giving no, no, my grandmother.

1196
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 2: Brothers.

1197
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: You want to be my brother so bad, but you're

1198
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: my dad for the day.

1199
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: No, we're playing a game. Daddy's your brother.

1200
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: Now playful dead. You did say you're playful dad. Okay.

1201
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 2: She's like, for the first seven years, you just take

1202
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 2: care of her for the seven For the second seven years,

1203
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: you discipline her. And for the third seven years you

1204
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: bet her friend.

1205
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: That's lovely.

1206
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 2: Really, that's a really good you know, the first seven

1207
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: years like just let her do what she wants. You

1208
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: just take care of her. She does anything that's in

1209
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: the second seven years you teach like discipline and manners

1210
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: and the things that kids need to learn. And then

1211
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: this and then from like fourteen to twenty one is like,

1212
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: that's my friend.

1213
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: And when you think about fourteen to twenty one and

1214
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: being a friend to your daughter, do you mean like

1215
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: true friend. I want her to treat me like a friend,

1216
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: like tell me stuff. Yeah, could she call you my

1217
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: first name?

1218
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: No?

1219
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Okay, And you're like, and that's where we're gonna talk.

1220
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: I just want to say, with the boundary, I know

1221
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: from one African to another. I know, and now he's

1222
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: flipping the table.

1223
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: That is a white American thing. Yeah, n subway, ken.

1224
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: I will tell you I dated someone who's not white,

1225
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: who was black in fact, and called his parents by

1226
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: their first name, and my jaw would always be like,

1227
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: this is different.

1228
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: That is not no different.

1229
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: Okay, But you want your daughter to be independent and secure?

1230
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: Is there anything you worry about with her?

1231
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's gonna grow up and be a lawyer.

1232
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Really, no one likes lawyer.

1233
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: Doctor.

1234
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: You don't want to be a doctor. That's different. Okay,

1235
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 1: that's very not African of you. Okay, I'm white. Why

1236
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: now you're white? Now you're calling your mom by her

1237
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: first name? No?

1238
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 2: What? Why?

1239
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: Why do you not want her to be a lawyer? Doctor?

1240
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: I just think that, Like, I mean, here's what I'll

1241
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 2: say if she wants to be a lawyer doctor, cool, Okay,

1242
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: I think I would connect with her more if she

1243
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: wants Okay, So I mean, and my wife is also

1244
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: so like creative and you know we're I think we're

1245
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: gonna have a good time. So it's like if she

1246
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, if she rebels, she's gonna be like

1247
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a fucking lawyer. You pricks, you know

1248
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, but otherwise, like, I'm like, dude,

1249
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 2: if my kids like Zoe Kravitz.

1250
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I want.

1251
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: I want to baby Zoe Kravitz. Ass okay, daughter.

1252
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: I hope your daughter listens to this one day and

1253
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: understand she's six months now, but she can go through

1254
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: your files one day everywhere. Oh yeah, I get it,

1255
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: I get it. I see you want a little you

1256
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: want a little artist, creative? Yeah, to like complete the trip.

1257
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: Like, hey, what do you think of my my movie? Dad? Yeah? Cool,

1258
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: let's watch it? Okay, not like, hey, I'm going to

1259
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: school for fifteen years.

1260
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: But if she dooring, do you want her to know

1261
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: you think it's boring? Say she says she wants to

1262
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: do that, You're not. You're gonna pretend it's the best.

1263
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: She's the little one says I want to be a doctor.

1264
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, what about a comedian?

1265
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the only dad on the planet, and.

1266
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: Then she'll probably be super not funny. I'm like, you know,

1267
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 2: a doctor thing, like we should do that. Doctors are exciting.

1268
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: Doctors are good. They ask for them on the plane

1269
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: all the time.

1270
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: But hopefully she has a cool doctor where she installs

1271
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: AI chips and people.

1272
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a cool doctor, Kareem, I

1273
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a cool doctor. It's interesting, it's

1274
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: certainly interesting. So you're going for interesting. You really wanted

1275
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: to be interested.

1276
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: I think I think a three dimensional, cool, interesting person. Okay,

1277
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: hopefully she's not.

1278
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Do you want to shut off?

1279
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Imagine a loser.

1280
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: If she's a if she's getting me, oh my gosh.

1281
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: I actually I hope she's not a loser, because what

1282
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: is Kareema? I hope she's not a loser. So we

1283
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: both what does a loser even look like? You know what?

1284
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: We know? Fucking Billy no mates.

1285
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Billy no mates? You're British? Now, no mates, You've got

1286
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: no mates?

1287
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: Google that. Okay, it's something called Billy no mates.

1288
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the etymology on that? I mean, okay, yeah,

1289
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: of course no mates. Yeah, but I'm like, why is

1290
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: it British? I want to know why it's English? Excuse me?

1291
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: Why is it English? They're going to excuse me English,

1292
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: saying Billy no mates, Billy no mates.

1293
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 2: Yes, you have such a good radio voice.

1294
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: Thanks, you know I appreciate you.

1295
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Finally, podcast's been waiting our whole lives for this lady

1296
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: to start a radio show.

1297
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Dad, thank you, proud of you, thank you,

1298
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: proud of you, Thank you, Dad.

1299
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 2: I know you pursued your passions to be in a hot,

1300
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 2: sweaty ass room.

1301
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: Microphones, microphone right in my face. I'm asking I needed

1302
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: an engineer, I needed cutting things out exactly, I'm drinking water. Well,

1303
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I guess I have a question and a half for you.

1304
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: One of them is is there anything that you're super

1305
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: worried you're going to fuck up?

1306
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm worried that I'll spoil her. I'm worried

1307
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: that I'm going to have a spoiled kid.

1308
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: And is there anything you're doing to counter that possibility?

1309
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: I say often, I'm like, I think we're spoiling her.

1310
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 2: And then I have heard many times that you can't

1311
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: spoil a baby. Oh, which might be true. I think

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Speaker 2: it is true.

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Speaker 1: I bet well. I feel like Freud would be like, no,

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00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: you can spoil a baby. And here's how I feel

1315
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: like Freud. He's dead, so tbd, I guess, but no,

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00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: Fred is daddy. I have Freud on the next episode.

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00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: By the way, coming as my Dad for the day. Again,

1318
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna do the seance? Bring him to the studio,

1319
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: because again I don't want to be there for the seance. Okay,

1320
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: end every episode. Let's get him together with my dad

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00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: and then mine no or he's an oup, my news

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00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: show up.

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't really want to he can, he can.

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00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: Cycles have to be included. Can we pick someone like C. S. Lewis.

1325
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: I love C. S. Lewis. That would have been a

1326
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: cool dad. Clive Staples Lewis. He's an author and like

1327
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: the elogian of sorts. You don't seem you don't. You

1328
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: sit on the train all day. Of course you don't

1329
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: read Dad, And I mean that with love. I read

1330
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: my phone. I'm reading my phone, mom. Okay, literally, I

1331
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: end every episode asking my dad for the day for

1332
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: a piece of advice. So kareem, I mean, excuse me.

1333
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: I would never call my dad by his first name, Dad.

1334
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: I get a mop every day. It's a sort of ritual.

1335
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not a coffee drinker. Macha's become a new

1336
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: thing here in the Western world. In the last like

1337
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I want to say, like five six

1338
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: years where like, we discovered macha over here, so now

1339
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: I get a match No, no, no, I know that.

1340
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: I just don't want to seem ignorant to be like,

1341
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, macha just came on the scene last No

1342
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: macha existed.

1343
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: Before I'm acting.

1344
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I know, okay, was stop acting down? No, Dad, Dad, Dad, Dad, Okay,

1345
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: So Dad.

1346
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: I was reacting like that.

1347
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: Dad, You and I just can't, Dad, You and I

1348
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: just can't. Dad. Let me finish my explanation. So I

1349
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: didn't drink coffee before. So when you'd hear people be like,

1350
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: careful of that coffee you're getting every day, because one

1351
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to become addicted and two you're dishing

1352
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: out six seven dollars for coffee every day now as

1353
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: of the last year, I'm a macha every day person,

1354
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: I go get my matcha. There's several coffee shops in

1355
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: my neighborhood that I'm like, I'm gonna get a macha

1356
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: from here today. Might get too mucha's a day. Dad.

1357
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: Do you think I should stop getting machas and do

1358
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: you think it's kind of wasteful?

1359
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: I think that you should get if they make you happy,

1360
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: you should get the machas.

1361
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Okay.

1362
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: And if there's another reason that you're getting the machas,

1363
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: like they're convenient and they allow you an extra half

1364
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: hour to do something else that you would rather be

1365
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: doing instead of making the macha at home, I think

1366
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: you should buy the macha and spend the five or

1367
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 2: six or seven dollars on it. And if you're concerned

1368
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: about money, I think you should find another way to

1369
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: save the money. So maybe instead of taking an uber

1370
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: home every time, which I saw the uberville last month.

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00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but thank you for letting me put your

1372
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: credit card on my account.

1373
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: I know. Look, I'm not going to cut you off,

1374
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: but I do think that you should try to. Like

1375
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: walking is very nice, and you don't have a job.

1376
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't, so you can.

1377
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: See the city, take a long walk home. You know,

1378
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: you can walk home from anywhere. Yeah, if you got

1379
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: the time, and you certainly do have the time, because

1380
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: I know you're working on your website on my website.

1381
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: My website is a website where men wear your little

1382
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: t shirts like women's t shirts, and it's like a

1383
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: crop top on them, and then they have like underwear

1384
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: on and and they say like I'm hank and I'm

1385
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: wearing brand, you know, anyway you get it, Alex may.

1386
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: Well daughter, let me tell you a little story.

1387
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, thank you so much, Dad. We gotta go.

1388
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Kareem, Thank you. Is there anything

1389
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: that you want to plug beyond what we said in

1390
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: the intro?

1391
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: Uh? No, I guess yeah, maybe a little bit. Listen

1392
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: to my new album No Worries if not on Spotify,

1393
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: Apple Music, wherever you listen to albums and subscribe to

1394
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: Subway takes, keep the meter running and Kareem on Instagram.

1395
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: And I love you all.

1396
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: Oh he loves everybody. My dad loves everybody. Thank you

1397
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: so much, Korean, Thank so fine, Thank you. Thanks Dad

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: is a headgum podcast created and hosted by me Igo Wodem.

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00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: The show is engineered by Rochelle Chen and Anya Kanofskaya

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00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: and edited by Rochelle Chen with executive producer Emma Foley.

1401
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: Katie Moose is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks

1402
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: to Jason Matheni for our show art and Faris Manshi

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00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,880
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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,880
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01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,640
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01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,560
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