WEBVTT - The Cost of Unconditional War 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.639 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:26.800 you know. Over the weekend, I posted a tweet of 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:33.040 mine on Instagram and since that posting, it is up 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:38.519 to about like ninety three comments. And here's what I posted. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.600 I posted in response to the White House making a 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:49.480 statement on the student protests that are happening at Columbia University, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:55.560 and I wrote this at potus weighing in on the 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.360 rights of students to protest is not good. The way 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.840 that our democracy is being undermine all to uphold the 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.440 rights of another country to oppress without repercussions is unconscionable. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.120 While I will continue to push for Dems, this makes 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:17.280 me sick. This is a piece of what the White 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:23.679 House's statement was quote. While every American has the right 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.120 to peaceful protest, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:33.080 Jewish students and Jewish community are blietantly anti Semitic, unconscionable, 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.360 and dangerous. They have absolutely no place on any college 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.400 campus or anywhere in the United States of America. And 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.920 echoing the rhetoric of terrorist organizations especially in the wake 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.959 of the worst massacre committed against the Jewish people since 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.360 the Holocaust, is despicable. We condemn these statements in the 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.640 strongest terms. That is not what is happening at Columbia. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:02.040 Students have set up tents that were forcibly removed by police. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:07.880 The university has decided to criminalize the act of protests 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.400 and bring on police and the FBI. We are seeing 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:18.120 students be thrown out of school for protesting against their 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:25.560 university's funds being sent to Israel. And the fact is 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:30.480 is that, like, while you can't control how other people 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.040 may protest outside of said university, and if there is 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.680 violence that has happened, and I know that there is, 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.640 and if there's intimidation that has happened, which I know 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:45.040 that it has, we have the right to protest. It 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:50.880 is said stated clearly in the Constitution. That does not 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.600 mean that you only have the right to protest when 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:58.679 your ideas align with my own. For instance, I have 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.320 reported on this show and on others that white supremacist 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:08.079 groups have been organizing and marching down city streets across 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:13.280 this country. Have they been arrested, No, they haven't, even 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:20.000 though by their sheer presence. They are trying to intimidate 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:26.200 and oppress those around them, but they're allowed to do 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.960 that because that is their constitutional fucking right. Do I 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.480 think it is gross and disgusting, apps of fucking lutely, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.360 But do I want to live in a country that 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.160 says that only certain people have a right to protest? 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:42.960 No? 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:49.520 I fucking don't. And so once again to deny the 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:55.800 reality that six months after these horrific attacks started in October, 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:01.680 that over thirty thousand Palestinian peace people, children and women 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:09.080 have been fucking killed, that there has been absolutely a 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:13.800 breakaway from the Geneva Convention by Israel on a number 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:20.479 of occasions, that our tax dollars continue to go to 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:29.400 fund murder. It is not something that people are just 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:32.880 going to forget about. And I think that this administration 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:38.120 was thinking that, like with other foreign affairs and other incidents, 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.919 that Americans, after a little bit, would get tired and 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.880 just go back to business as usual. Well guess what 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:49.479 they fucking aren't. They're continuing to organize, they're continuing to protest, 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:55.000 they're continuing to march, They're continuing to use their voices 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.479 as thus given to them by the constitution of these 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:06.320 United States, and so for this administration to not fucking 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:13.960 get it that these young people are pissed and rightfully so. 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.240 And then on top of that, you the only thing 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.760 that our politicians seem to want to agree about is 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:26.479 the banning of TikTok, which is an organizing tool and 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:31.960 an information tool for this generation and others. You can't 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:37.320 agree on an assault rifles ban, you can't agree on 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.000 affordable housing, you can't agree on a child tax credit, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.760 but you all get together and want to agree on Oh, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.640 TikTok is dangerous. Give me a fucking break. You look stupid, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:55.760 and this generation sees it. But you want their vote 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.920 in less than two hundred days, but are in take 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:07.680 their demand seriously whatsoever? And instead are equating the grief 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:12.520 and heartache that they have with watching a genocide unfold 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:18.200 on their screens and saying that because their hearts are breaking, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:25.280 that they're sympathizing with terrorists. Give me a fucking break now. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.640 While I said in my statement that I will continue 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.320 to support Democrats because I know what a final Trump 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.359 administration will do to our democracy into this country, this 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.240 administration is continually making it more and more difficult for 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.760 me to do so, and I know that if I 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.880 have difficulty, then I know that there are lots of 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:53.120 folks that do and that instead of swallowing it, we'll 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.760 just decide to stay home. So at some point the 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:00.040 Biden administration needs to decide what is more important to 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:06.159 them met and Yahoo or our democracy, because two things 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:11.119 can't exist at the same fucking time. Coming up next, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.480 my conversation with the co host of my other show, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:24.120 Democracy Ish author and columnist, activist, speaker, brilliant mind Waja 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:33.280 hot Ali, where we get into this conversation and much more, Folks, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.920 I am so excited to welcome back to WOKF Daily, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:44.119 my co host over at the other eleven thousand pod 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:49.160 that I do democracy Ish Wajahat a Lee who is 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.119 the author of Go Back To Where You Came From. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.400 He is a writer, he is a speaker, he is 0:07:55.520 --> 0:08:04.360 a prolific tweeter. Waj We are we are in extraordinary times. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.000 We are living in extraordinary times. I think it was 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:13.400 Charlotte Klember on social media who said I miss living 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.120 in non historic times, and I said I would like 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.760 to go back to precedented times. I sat on a 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:27.080 couch with a friend as we watched the drones from 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:33.200 Iran enter over the dome in Israel, and we're sitting 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.760 there and we're watching this happen in real time, and 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:44.520 I'm thinking to myself, Holy shit, is this it? What 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:50.320 were you thinking as you're watching this? And it's been, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:56.280 you know, several days since, But is this it? Is 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.440 this the beginning of World War three? Have we been 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.800 in the beginning of it for some time? What are 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.400 your reactions? 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.720 I had two thoughts which I held at the same 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.960 time that might appear to be completely opposite. Is number one, 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.000 it revealed the tinderbox that is the Middle East and 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:19.800 how all will take is one moment, one flash of violence, 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.960 to potentially God forbid, trigger an international crisis, you know, 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.400 which is oftentimes how world wars begin, right because multiple 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.040 actors with their own because each actor, each state, actor, 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.400 has their own interests, and they'd always align with the 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:38.720 United States, folks. And so you saw a retaliation by 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.880 Iran for Israel's strike that we don't talk about because 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.160 Israel also struck the world's central kitchen convoy and killed 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.520 seven people, but we talked about it on another podcast 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:54.440 that Israel had also that weekend struck the Iranian embassy 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.720 in Syria and killed a leading Iranian general. So naturally, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.920 when it comes to these two reckless actors, they have 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.000 to save face. So even though as a tinderbox was 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.600 about to potentially explode, I also said on the X 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.079 or the Twitter, whatever the hell this neo Nazi website 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.199 is called, that this is going to be highly dangerous, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.080 reckless theater. My prediction was that Iran has to save 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.600 face because their embassy got attacked by Israel, a highly 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.199 provocative act that, by the way, our national security experts 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.400 said that would not only increase threat assessment for Israel 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.360 but also the United States. So we were just sitting 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.040 there in pens Needo. How will Iran respond? So Iran 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.600 sent these drones, these slow moving drones that took six 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.280 hours to get there, which was kind of a signal 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.240 Danielle that like, yep, hey, we're sending these drones. They 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.040 will arrive in six hours. And then later on Iran said, okay, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.720 we're done, which just goes to show you that in 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.040 order to then save face and show that it has 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.040 responded to Israel, it sent this provocative act which made 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.560 the rest of us be like, holy crap, what's happening right? 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.680 And def Con like Defcon three and everyone's tweeting World 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.000 War three, And then you're sitting there thinking to yourself, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:13.400 why oh why has the Biden administration allowed unconditional aid 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:18.800 to this reckless rogue actor named Netan Yahoo that has 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.760 always for nearly two decades wanted war champion the war 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.120 came to America and said, warrant Remember that we're old 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.800 enough to remember. He was one of the champions of 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.560 the failed warran Terror. One of the worst foreign policy 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.199 decisions of our lifetime, for sure, but perhaps in modern 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.200 US history, in which US democracy did not blow him 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.160 Across the Middle East. We invaded Iraq, invaded Aganistan. It 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.160 was a complete pluster. F who loved it? Nen Yaho? 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.000 And what would nan Yaho? And the warhawks love nothing 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.160 more than to eliminate Iran. Iran and Israel not suicidal actors, 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:53.040 even though they're dangerous and reckless. But the rest of 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.440 US are held hostage by this crisis. And the United 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.800 States because it is the number one partner of Israel, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.359 because it gives financial aid to Israel, because it gives weapons, 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.240 is still giving weapons to Israel, because Without US support, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.960 Israel cannot continue occupying Gaza of the West Bank or 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.360 continue its war. I ask myself, Joe Biden, is it 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.400 worth it? Is it worth it to your reputation, to 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.080 your legacy, to your election chances, to humanitarian cause, to 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:29.760 global security, to keep with unconditional aid supporting Netanyahu, a 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.760 guy who literally wants you to lose. Who's struck not 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.920 just the World Central Kitchen which killed an American, also 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.080 Al Shaffah hospital no one talks about, and also the 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:43.240 Iranian embassy And we knew the second day they did it. Whoops, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.480 this is going to be threatening for US and Israel. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.199 Iran responded. Everyone else is like, holy shit, this is 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.480 World War three. And then everyone's like, oh, don't worry, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.679 it's no, it's not world War three. We're okay? Are 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.439 we okay? Do you feel better? Are you calm? 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:02.960 Do I feel better? Do I feel colm? 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:03.600 No? 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.680 Would be the answer to that. And I think that 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.960 you know what else, I noticed as we were all 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:16.719 watching and hashtag world War three was trending. And I 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:18.760 don't know if you saw this. I'm gonna assume that 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:23.240 you did. Wash the comments from Americans for the first 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:30.480 time about Iran. We're not talking about Iran as our 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:34.600 mortal enemy. The comments in the comments section that I 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:40.760 saw on Instagram on TikTok said, so who has the 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.960 right to defend themselves? There you go and I and 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.520 I'm talking about this was posted on people one of people, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:51.560 one of one of No, no, no, this was this 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.679 was it was? It was Iran sends drones to Israel. 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.640 Was posted on a site called the Shade Room, which 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:07.160 is largely a black entertainment and culture site on Instagram 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:13.320 and occasionally they post news and politics and just kind 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:14.960 of put it up there, and then I go to 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.320 see what folks are thinking, and it was black folks 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.119 that said, well, who has a right to defend themselves? 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.040 Israel attacked Ron first, like they just attack their embassy, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.840 so don't they have the right to respond in kind. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:36.440 This was the first time was in my life that 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:41.400 I'm seeing Americans ask a very real question about the 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:46.040 actions of who has been labeled one of our most 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.360 dangerous adversaries. What do you make of that? 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.800 The conversation around Israel has radically shifted in a way 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.760 that I have not seen in my entire life, and 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:02.520 it's thanks to not just pousting and activists, Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.640 but like you said, people of color, black folks, and 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.160 also young people. And I think the majority of the 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.240 world that is witnessing an ongoing genocide. And if you 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:15.080 don't like the word genocide, collective punishment, war crimes, unjust, unfair, unbalanced, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.440 cruelty against Palestinians, which has claimed the lives of thirty 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.720 three thousand Palestinians, mostly civilians, injured more than seventy thousand. 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.840 And when we say the word injured, Daniel, you know, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.640 oftentimes when we talk about injuries, you kind of just 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.920 casually say, oh, just injuries. We're talking about amputations, kids 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.000 without limbs, right, people who we don't even know if 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.920 they're going to survive, right who. Now we're seeing starvation 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.480 and famine for the population of Gaza, displacement, and we're 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.960 seeing what we saw the deaths of humanitarians, the just 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:48.920 blatant murders, journalists, murder of WCK World Central Kitchen Convoy 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.080 that was working in conjunction with Israel still wasn't safe. 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.640 Shepherds who were just killed today, like you know, just 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.280 just murdered by Israel. And then the question then comes 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.440 to folks, well, who has the right to self defense? 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.880 Don't the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves? If 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.960 this was happening to me, what do you do? Do 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.880 you just die? And I think black folks in particular 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.040 in this country, right, resisting white supremacy has always been 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.560 met with civility. Right, don't use violence. You can never 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.080 use violence, even if for being whipped and enslaved and 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.640 killed and lynched. Okay, you can't arm yourself, God forbid 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.520 if you do that. Buying panthers did it. And then 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.640 the NRA for the first time, teaming up with Ronald 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.720 reg and the governor of California, said oh, let's have 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:30.400 gun control. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.480 So no arm are you in an American city like 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.160 they did in Philadelphia in the nineteen eighties, Go ahead, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:36.720 can do that. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.120 No problem. Tanks rolling through the streets, right, Tulsa. So 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.120 you can't use violence, got it? Can't protest, can't march 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.760 and literally Supreme Court now is suggesting that you can't 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.840 have mass protests in three states. Okay, got it. Can't 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.520 say black lives matter, So can't say some words or 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.760 wear some t shirts that offend the economic anxiety of 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:01.840 folks got it. Can't silently kneel during the national anthem. 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:03.640 Can't do that because if you do that, you get 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.520 black balled, your NFL career is gone, and then your 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:10.320 jerseys are burned. So the only option that you have 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.439 is to just die, just take it and die. And 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.600 I think, Danielle, that's why you're seeing, especially with black 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.480 people and people of color, indigenous people, and especially young people, 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.960 they're finally asking themselves, first and foremost, why are we 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.840 giving unconditional aid to an ally that does not act 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.640 like an ally, acts like an enemy? Come on, what 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.800 interest is it of the United States to expose itself 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.639 and expose Americans to a reckless like Like people are 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.720 finally asking, wait, why are we giving money to Israel? 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.520 Like how does this help me? How does this help 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.720 the United States? It doesn't like what's the what's the answer? 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:46.920 Can you tell me the answer? I have a tough 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.680 tough time coming with the answer. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:51.640 Like, here's what I'm told in response, because I say 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.160 these things, and I say them, you know, I say 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.119 them on air, I say them in you know, in 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.359 conversation with friends. But what I'm told I said, So 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.960 what happens if the United States decides not to just 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.560 continue writing a blank check to Israel. What if there 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.879 is actually God forbid some conditions that are put in place, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:19.679 that require humanitarian aid, that require pathways, that require a 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.880 two state solution, that require like all of these things. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:31.560 And folks tell me was that the United States will crumble. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:37.800 That without the security that has been created around Israel 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.800 in the Middle East, that everything that we know to 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:48.400 be true will vanish. That without the United States securing Israel, 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.040 then all bets are off. That's what I'm told. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.720 You call the security the rise in anti Semitism, the 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.520 rise in Islamophobia. You call the security where because of 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.560 israel reckless attack on Iranian embassy, the threat assessment against 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.920 the United States has increased. You call the security where 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.320 world nations are angry at the United States for being 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.960 the number one supporter of Israel during its occupation and 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.320 siege of Gaza. What security you call this security? You 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.240 call this friendship when at present buying the most powerful 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.480 person on earth, the commander in chief of our country, 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.520 says I believe in a two state solution, and the 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.239 next state Nanio says, no, I don't believe in two 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.199 state solution. When Biden says there should be no more 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.320 settlements in the West Bank, in Israel says he there's 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.360 gonna be thirty four hundred new settlements in the West Bank. 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.000 Where President Biden says, hey, hey, reduce the civilian casualties, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:39.480 and NANNIEO says, eh, I'm going to kill the WCK 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.080 kitchen staff, which includes an American, And hey, this happens 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.960 in war? What security? What respect? What mutual reciprocity is 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.040 there in this relationship? What do we get out of it? 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.360 Why are my tax payer dollars going to the occupation 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.679 of Palestinians and to the bombing of Palestinians which is 0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:00.800 increasing world hatred against America and also in Muslim majority 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.200 countries we have seen going back to the war and 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.280 terror that one of the grievances that people like Osama 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.920 Milan al Kaya the ISIS have used against the United 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:13.080 States is exactly this, the support for Israel AND's occupation. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.680 So if anything, it emboldens our enemies against us. Tell 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.080 me how it helps, Tell me how it helps. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.000 I mean, I can't tell you. I can't tell you 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.880 because I agree with everything that you just said. So 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.040 like I can't tell you, Daniel. 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.280 I think it's madness for any country to be given 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:36.600 unconditional aid. No country is given unconditional aid except Israel. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.840 That's absurd. That's like saying, I'm gonna give you these rockets. 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.119 You could go blow up kids unconditional aid, Like why, 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.600 But with Israel unconditional aid, you know, iron clad support. 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.720 That's what President Biden said a few days ago, and. 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.639 That's what Vice President Howris repeated, iron clad support. 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.560 And I'm like why, And then people are finally asking 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.760 why why unconditional support for a reckless actor named Benjamin 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.040 Naniah who in an extremist government that have shown nothing 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:09.000 but contempt towards you, President Biden, your administration, your policies, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:14.000 and also to humanitarian aid, to democracy, to justice, like 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.879 the person who is his National security minister. For those 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.280 who don't know, is Itamar ben Gavier? An extremist according 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.800 to Israel standards, who's giving out machine guns to settlers, 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.040 and who's openly saying, you know, President Trump would be 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.240 better than Biden and is openly saying, yeah, we want 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:31.840 it all, we want everything river to the sea completely. 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.119 In contrast to the alleged policies of President Biden, and 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:37.879 you know, it reminds me of this. It's like I 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:40.000 think maybe Biden is a masochist at heart, and I 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.800 don't want to kink shame that like Nan Yahoo just 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:44.800 like slaps him around and Biden says, thank you, might 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.679 have another. But what it does is it makes Biden 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:52.160 look weak. It weakens him before a monumental election where 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.040 I think you and I agree that our democracy is 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.280 at stake. As you and I have said on our 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.520 other podcast, Democracy Ish that this will end up hurting 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.399 him with some Democratic voters. And when you and I 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.720 say it, no one listens. But when white dudes say 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:06.840 they will. There's an article out in the Atlantic this 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:12.160 week showing exactly that that this issue now Democrats are 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.920 afraid might hurt them in the upcoming election. And it's 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.600 not just Muslims and Arabs. 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:25.240 I want to ask you this too, with regard to 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.280 the continued coverage and what we're seeing in mainstream media 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.680 and in cable news, because what I thought was really 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:36.080 interesting as I was watching the drones as you were 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:40.760 a couple of weekends ago head to Israel, I noticed 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.520 who wasn't on air during their hour and that was 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:50.879 Aim in Mohedeen and instead on MSNBC it was Jose 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.800 Diaz Bolart and I thought to myself, and I go 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:58.560 on Jose's show. I enjoy Jose, but you know what, 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.160 I know, he's not an expert in the Middle East. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.719 You know what I know that he is not is 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:09.000 somebody that has been doing correspondence in that part of 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.639 the world for their entire career, like Am and Mohedeen. So, 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.160 you know, I want to ask you, you know, your 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:23.600 thoughts on the invisibilizing that is happening to prominent Muslims 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.600 on air and what we need to make of that 0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:28.520 and what we need to say about that. 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:30.560 So, I mean, you know, I'm glad you asked this 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.480 question because I saw Aman briefly yesterday at the launch 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.120 of Zeteo, which is the new media company launched by 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:37.800 maybe Husson and maythe Husson for those of you who 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.639 don't know, used to be was the best interviewer MSNBC had, 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.520 I would say, the best interviewer on cable news. And 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.879 he was let go, his show was canceled and essentially 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:50.200 then he got out of his contract. He can't talk 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.240 about it right now. But I can openly say that 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.760 it was due to pressure from outside groups due to 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.800 his coverage on Guzin and so he saw maybe Husson 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:02.639 get canceled. People are forgetting that the cancelation attempts against 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:04.679 not just Maylie but also Oli Velshi and I am 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.240 at MSNBC where some groups are calling them Hamas propagandists. 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.840 You're seeing people anyone who's pro Palestini didn't get canceled. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.639 Even Jewish Americans like Jonathan Glazer, the one the director 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.080 who won four Zona of Interest the Academy Award, who 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.480 gave a very beautiful humanitarian speech, he got canceled, right, 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:25.639 And you just saw. This is coming out in a 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:27.520 few days. But you just saw, and I think you're 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.440 going to see more and more coverage of the USC 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.440 commencement speaker. I don't know if you've heard about this Danielle. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.879 Her name is Asneta Bassom, and USC and their cowardice 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:40.960 canceled her speedch citing quote unquote security concerns without mentioning 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.320 any security concern. And essentially she's a sweet like young, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:50.640 brown skinned Hijabi girl who minored in resistance to genocide, 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.640 and essentially what people are saying is they were afraid 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.400 that during her valedictorian speech she might talk about what's 0:24:56.400 --> 0:25:00.200 happening in Gaza, so they canceled her speech. Talked me 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.919 about cancel culture, Danielle, Talk to maybe about free you know, 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.600 free speech. Talk to me about forget safe spaces, the 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.920 marketplace of ideas, all this bullshit right wing talking points 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.280 that Ben Shapiro talks about. I haven't seen them coming 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.280 to defense with mayde Hussan. I haven't seen them come 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.199 of the defense of us. I haven't seen the come 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:20.040 to the defense of Iman. Why is that, Danielle, Why 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:23.920 is that? Hmm? Free speech ends with Palestine. 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:27.800 Yeah, And I think that free speech is contention upon 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.919 your complexion, and that that is something that has always 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.440 been the case in the United States, is that when 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:38.439 you start to advocate for yourself, for your group, for 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:43.960 other marginalized communities, if you do not have the complexion 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.000 for the protection, then you are canceled or assassinated, which 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:51.680 is you know, another piece right, like we don't when 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.040 we talk about the humanitarian workers that have been killed, 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:58.439 hundreds that have been killed in Gaza, well we're not 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.440