WEBVTT - The Worst Secret In the World

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 2>just like to say say thank you if I can

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<v Speaker 2>actually get those words out. It's hot, folks. Usually this

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<v Speaker 2>is when I say, hopefully, wherever you are, it's sonny outside,

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<v Speaker 2>and if not, hopefully it's sunny inside your mind. Sonny

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<v Speaker 2>here on Del Marva, very sonny, it's very hot, and

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully wherever you are, if the son is out, you're

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<v Speaker 2>getting some sort of calm, northeasterly breeze, because man, it

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<v Speaker 2>is sweltering out there right now. We're on that don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it's like where the Big Boss Man Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Alvarez is right now. But wherever it is, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he's happy taking another day off. He'll be back with

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<v Speaker 2>me tomorrow. But as you know, it's Thursday, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know what that means a lot to get into. Last

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<v Speaker 2>night ae W Dynamite, we have got the worst secret

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<v Speaker 2>in the world ended up being revealed, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>Pac and Coda Abushi being members of the respective teams

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<v Speaker 2>for Blood and Guts, which is coming up next week

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston. It all broke down and let itself be

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<v Speaker 2>known during the main event segment of the show and

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<v Speaker 2>the BCC and Don Kallis and Knoski Takeshna try to

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<v Speaker 2>pilmanize poor Kenny Omega inside of a steel chair, but

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<v Speaker 2>he stopped him. So guess what, Pac just attacked me

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<v Speaker 2>with that steel chair. He's helping you. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>member that's going to be joining us as well too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the video played It was Codo Bushie and

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<v Speaker 2>again not a surprise to anybody, but it does make

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<v Speaker 2>everybody happy. So we're going to be talking about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Rush saying that he now is going to

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<v Speaker 2>show up for the Triple A Triple Mania Leg two

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<v Speaker 2>show taking place in Tijuana. It's gonna be an incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>busy weekend. And then a little later on in the show,

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<v Speaker 2>author Emily Sweeney will be joining me to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>her new book, Dropkick Murphy. So we'll get it started

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<v Speaker 2>when we get back from break Wrestling Observer Live. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>ASMR kids. There it goes. Look, I obviously need the

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<v Speaker 2>caffeine just to start this show off. Here here I

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<v Speaker 2>go delicious. I like that new Red Bull flavor I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not the best thing to drink when it's nine

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<v Speaker 2>thousand degrees outside. That's okay. I get some water here too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna balance everything out, don't worry about that. Try

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<v Speaker 2>to get this show back on balance. NXT is always balanced.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time you look at NXT, they're balanced when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to their ratings. The Major League Baseball All Star

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<v Speaker 2>Game took place on Tuesday, did not take anything really

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<v Speaker 2>out of the USA Network at all, as NXT scored

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<v Speaker 2>the third highest total audience of the year for the show,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as the second highest key demographic rating of

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<v Speaker 2>the year. A total of six hundred and seventy one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand viewers tuned in, up nearly a third from last

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<v Speaker 2>week's audience of five hundred and eight thousand. The rating

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen to forty nine year old demographic was

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<v Speaker 2>point two zero, representing two hundred and fifty six thousand viewers,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's up more than fifty percent from last week's

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<v Speaker 2>point one three key demo rating. So there is I

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<v Speaker 2>mean again, we talked about it yesterday. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it over and over again. Talk about getting hot at

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<v Speaker 2>the right time, talk about putting your best foot forward

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<v Speaker 2>and making an incredible imprint into things. When it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to WWE and their future television deal prospects, obviously they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to pitch NXT as a third brand on par

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<v Speaker 2>with Raw and SmackDown. Now, they're not going to get

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of money for it, but if your USA network.

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<v Speaker 2>And again we talked about it when they were having

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<v Speaker 2>all of those media and telecom conferences that Nick con

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<v Speaker 2>went and spoke at a month or two ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>he talked about how great that of a partner that

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<v Speaker 2>NBC Universal always has been and how great Peacock is

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<v Speaker 2>for him. But you know, we're really great for Peacock too,

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<v Speaker 2>And I've got the numbers, and I told them I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't give those out to anybody, because you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>how good a partners we are. But we know how

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<v Speaker 2>important we are to you. And not only that, he

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<v Speaker 2>also mentioned the fact that you know your ratings are

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<v Speaker 2>looking pretty good right now, and that's probably because of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you something. I know that they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get Amazon into the mix, and maybe they do

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<v Speaker 2>end up with SmackDown on Friday. I still don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a good move at all for WWE. I

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<v Speaker 2>still think them sticking with Fox and writing with that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be their best option, staying on network TV,

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<v Speaker 2>continuing to get the attention that they are now continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to be propped up as you know, of a failing

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<v Speaker 2>primetime TV schedule. And when you look at the primetime

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<v Speaker 2>TV schedule, how many are game shows, how many are

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<v Speaker 2>reality shows? How many are a different show but in

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<v Speaker 2>the same city. Because there's Chicago, Men in Chicago fire

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<v Speaker 2>and Chicago this in Chicago that you got, ncis Bakersfield,

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<v Speaker 2>ncis Tuscaloosa and all of this stuff, and they're SmackDown

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<v Speaker 2>and SmackDown, pulling almost the number that WWE had guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>Fox the one point zero eighteen to forty nine key

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<v Speaker 2>demo rating number. They got a point nine to seven

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<v Speaker 2>last time around. So to me, them sticking with Fox

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<v Speaker 2>and SmackDown, to me, is the best way to go

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<v Speaker 2>about things. But they have I'm not saying that they

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<v Speaker 2>have NBC Universal and the USA Network over a barrel,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you were USA, what are you replacing that with?

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<v Speaker 2>What have your successes been? What has been going on

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<v Speaker 2>good for you? Besides WWE RAW and NXT. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have Below Deck, you don't have vander pump roles. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you have? You have those shows that are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of propping up their original quote unquote content that they

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<v Speaker 2>have there on that network. So eventually, look, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much they're going to get. We've talked about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that Nick con Is is trying to downplay

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<v Speaker 2>things and saying, hey, you know, we're hoping for one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half, and man, we think we can get

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<v Speaker 2>you know, two times the amount. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to be easy about this. I have a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>from NBC they're going to kick out whatever they need

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<v Speaker 2>to keep Raw and to keep USA on there on

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<v Speaker 2>Mondays and Tuesdays because obviously, number one, they're hot right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, if you don't have anything else to try

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<v Speaker 2>to fill the void with, look, Fox can, Fox can

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<v Speaker 2>just once this thing is over, just kind of turn

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<v Speaker 2>their noses up and go, Okay, we're gonna put this here.

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<v Speaker 2>It may not do the eighteen to forty nine numbers

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<v Speaker 2>that SmackDown does, but Fox is going to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>roll on. They could put sports on there on a

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night and make that look because that was part

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<v Speaker 2>of this whole deal to begin with, was SmackDown was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the start of their weekend. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you get baseball on Saturdays in the summertime, as ball

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<v Speaker 2>comes and you're gonna get your Big ten game of

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<v Speaker 2>the week, and you're gonna get whatever it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be that they're going to show on Saturday nights, and

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<v Speaker 2>then on Sunday you have the NFL. So they could

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<v Speaker 2>easily put and again I have to see when the

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<v Speaker 2>Peacock Big ten game is. They would have an issue there,

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<v Speaker 2>But there are plenty of other things that they can

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and put on there that right now, USA can't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a feeling that no matter what USA

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<v Speaker 2>and NBC Universal, they're going to end up remaining with WWE.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens in a couple of years when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to the streaming deal and Peacock and where we are,

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<v Speaker 2>then you know that's something we're gonna have to see.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to see how all these streaming services play

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<v Speaker 2>out anyway. But like, look, if if Fox is serious

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<v Speaker 2>about maybe taking two B and turning that into a

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<v Speaker 2>pay service like a Peacock or a Disney Plus or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, you know it would be nice. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be a great boost to and then immediately bring

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<v Speaker 2>over the entire WWE library and say here you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently nickn knows those numbers, but he won't tell them

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody, but he knows they're worth. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Rushe is somebody that knows his worth. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to flex that on Triple A and our

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<v Speaker 2>own Brian Rose posted this up on the main page.

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<v Speaker 2>Rushe is going to be at Triple Mania this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>On Wednesday night, Rush posted a video confirming that he

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<v Speaker 2>would be a part of this weekend's Triple Mania event

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<v Speaker 2>in Tijuana, where he has set to team with La

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<v Speaker 2>Park against Sam Madonnas and Psycho Clown and and Dom

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<v Speaker 2>judge me on this in the finals of a Guerrera

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<v Speaker 2>Day reval Dades tournament. How'd I do?

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<v Speaker 4>It?

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<v Speaker 3>Would be Guerrera that which would be the word for war,

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<v Speaker 3>not Guerrera, Gourera.

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<v Speaker 2>Guerrero go Okay? How'd I do? With the reval daves?

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<v Speaker 3>Seven out of ten from the American judge?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you? You just stay right there. I might need

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Back on June tenth, Rush announced on Facebook

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<v Speaker 2>that he and his father Bestilla del Ring quit Triple

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<v Speaker 2>A and now we're quote totally independent, end quote moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither Triple A nor Rushe confirmed whether or not the

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<v Speaker 2>match was still on until Rushe posted the video on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>The team that loses the match this Saturday will then

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<v Speaker 2>face each other in a mask versus hair match at

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<v Speaker 2>the third and final Triple Mania event that will take

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<v Speaker 2>place in Mexico City on August twelfth. Now, Dom, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'll save this I think till coming after break.

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<v Speaker 2>But have you heard that the Denver Broncos and the

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<v Speaker 2>Rustling Organization CMLL have gotten together. I have not.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a new one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, And I'm going to then now attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>read the actual quote here up on the Broncos Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>page here, and you're gonna have to judge me on

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<v Speaker 2>this when it comes to it here, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to find it. Hopefully I can do it before break

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<v Speaker 2>here now. Unfortunately, I can hold that thought, so I

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<v Speaker 2>will hold that thought. Attention on, everybody, keep that attention

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<v Speaker 2>on as we get back from break and I embarrass

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<v Speaker 2>myself here on Wrestling Observer Live. Back on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike send for vv here with you Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Big boss Man Brian Alvarez will be back tomorrow on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>you're still there, I'm ready for you to butcher some

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<v Speaker 2>some words. Mike. This is on now, This is on

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<v Speaker 2>Broncos and Espagnol. All right, already right there. You know

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be bad attention on Rudosi, Technicols and

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<v Speaker 2>Broncos Country. I don't know. Also, why I go into

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<v Speaker 2>a fake soccer announcer voice when I do this too.

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<v Speaker 2>It just I don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Estamos preperando so pressos con el CMLL official para LAFOO

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<v Speaker 5>officialda fans istan alpitiente, istan al pitiente de nostras redes Socialists.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd I do?

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<v Speaker 6>All things considered, Mike, as you know, as a guy

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<v Speaker 6>who looks white, I will give you a six and

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<v Speaker 6>a half out of ten. As somebody who has a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of Central American blood in them, and knowing that

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<v Speaker 6>you are of Italian heritage, I'm embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, and we'll give you a three.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I know, I know the original Latin. I should

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot better at this. You know all those

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<v Speaker 2>Paulina Rubio songs I would listen to in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineties, early two thousands. I should be better

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<v Speaker 2>at this. I apologize. I can get the hashtag, though,

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<v Speaker 2>which is hashtag Mexico's Broncos Country. It's not, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>It can't be. It's still got to be the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got to be the Cowboys and the Raiders. And

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned during the break, it's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>the San Francisco forty nine ers, right, I mean all

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<v Speaker 2>of them. I don't think Denver and think, you know, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the this is the group that needed to

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<v Speaker 2>work with CMLL. I don't know. I don't know about

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<v Speaker 2>that one.

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<v Speaker 6>Now that the only thing I see the connection I

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<v Speaker 6>mentioned to you in the break is both promotions, both

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<v Speaker 6>cmm CMLL and the Denver Broncos. Calling the Broncos a

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<v Speaker 6>promotion for the sake of this conversation, have a thing

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<v Speaker 6>for altitude.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I've got.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, AW Dynamite. Like, did you watch a AW

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<v Speaker 2>dynamite last night?

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<v Speaker 3>I did, look at that. I beat Brian at something.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what did you think about Nick Wayne against Swerve

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<v Speaker 2>Strickland being someone who's got kind of a toe in

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<v Speaker 2>the life of Nick Wayne and that you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know me that knows Brian that obviously was trained

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<v Speaker 2>by Buddy Wayne and was very influential to many people

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<v Speaker 2>on the site, including Vincent Vera High and Craig Proper

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. What did you think about Nick Wayne's

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<v Speaker 2>big debut on AW last night?

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<v Speaker 6>Now, to be fair, I yes, I know a fair

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<v Speaker 6>bit about Nick Wayne. Brian's told stories on here. I

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<v Speaker 6>saw the video that went viral of Darby giving him

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<v Speaker 6>the contract at I think it was a defy like

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<v Speaker 6>a year ago or whatever it was. But I've never

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<v Speaker 6>actually seen him wrestle, just just like the ending of

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<v Speaker 6>the match leading up to Darby hanting him the contract.

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<v Speaker 6>So I didn't know exactly what to expect, and I

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<v Speaker 6>gotta say I was pleased.

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<v Speaker 3>It was entertaining. He looked I don't know how tall

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<v Speaker 3>he is.

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<v Speaker 6>I know Swerve's not the tallest guy, but he looked

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<v Speaker 6>hella tall very after he's tall.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm like, he looked super tall.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know he actually is, because a lot like actors,

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<v Speaker 6>with some of these wrestlers, they are all similar in height,

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<v Speaker 6>so they look taller than they actually are.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought he was great.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a couple of moments where I'm like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 6>don't fall I think of there was one moment he

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<v Speaker 6>tried to kind of hop over the turnbuckle and land

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<v Speaker 6>on the apron and definitely caught his foot. So there

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<v Speaker 6>are a couple of moments of okay, okay, okay, But

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<v Speaker 6>I know that's first match nerves and how many eighteen

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<v Speaker 6>year olds are getting a couple of weeks of vignettes

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<v Speaker 6>leading up to a debut. So I think all things considered,

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<v Speaker 6>he performed well. He handled at least I believe he

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<v Speaker 6>handled the pressure and the expectations well. Again, it also

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<v Speaker 6>was really good having him in there with Swerve, somebody

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<v Speaker 6>who he's been in the ring with, I would imagine

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<v Speaker 6>tons of times.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure they have a battle plan for this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing already laid out, you know, well in advance.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's one thing that you know, Tony Kahan

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<v Speaker 2>is always noted for. Anyways, He's got a plan for this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know a lot of people were probably some

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<v Speaker 2>people I know were upset. Some people I know were

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<v Speaker 2>really surprised that, you know, he did not get the

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<v Speaker 2>win over Swerve, especially since Swerve has been on a

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<v Speaker 2>losing streak. But this is Swerve still got things going

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<v Speaker 2>on with Darby Allen. Obviously, Darby Allen is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be playing into that Swerve attacked him during his match.

0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Darby goes out there and Nix his you know, nixt

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<v Speaker 2>his guy, his friend. You know, he's the one who's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of overseeing him here, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to see what happens. They did show Nick's mom a

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<v Speaker 2>lot during the match. I don't say a lot, but

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<v Speaker 2>they showed her you know, two three times during it.

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<v Speaker 2>They made sure that swerve was in her face at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the match. I have a feeling, and

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what, Prince Nana he was in been

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<v Speaker 2>in the business a long time. I'm sure he's been

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<v Speaker 2>hit hard by somebody. I've heard rumors here. You don't

0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.760
<v Speaker 2>want to get hit by Mamawaane. So I have a

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<v Speaker 2>feeling that we'll see what happens here, We'll see what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell the whole plan plays out. But you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>this could be incredibly entertaining. I saw Nick Wayne at

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<v Speaker 2>GCW shows and that's the first time that I had

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen him live work, and I had seen clips

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<v Speaker 2>of him working out with Brian way back. Brian was

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<v Speaker 2>making one of the comebacks. I can't remember what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and he sent me a video and I could not

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. And it's like, how old is that kid?

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<v Speaker 2>And he was I don't know what the time, fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it was, and it was like thirteen maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like this kid is won. You're short and

0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.360
<v Speaker 2>this kid is tall and he was moving. I mean,

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 2>you saw it last night during the video package that

0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.240
<v Speaker 2>they had where he's such a He's like sixty years

0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.159
<v Speaker 2>old and he's doing RNA's on Buddy and Lakess is

0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.199
<v Speaker 2>on Buddy, and it was just it was it was

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>crazy to see him. And as soon as Avery saw him,

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.160
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to be a wrestler, not that he didn't

0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.439
<v Speaker 2>want to, you know, maybe want to be a wrestler before,

0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.959
<v Speaker 2>but he saw Nick Wayne, saw somebody two years older

0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.880
<v Speaker 2>than him, you know, looks like him a little bit,

0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and was like, I want to do that. I like

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<v Speaker 2>this guy. This is my dude. And that's what Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne's gonna have going for him. It's Billy Starks is

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna have going for her, you know, when they expose

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 2>her more on the aw roster. I think she's on

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 2>the roh side right now, but at some point she's

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 2>going to be there. Two eighteen year old kids with

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 2>just five tools, you know, as far as being prospects,

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:41.200
<v Speaker 2>they are blue chip prospects here and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to see their evolution happen on national TV. And

0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 2>I would never suggest to anyone that you get your

0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.560
<v Speaker 2>kid in the wrestling business under the age of eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, in some places there should probably be laws

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<v Speaker 2>and rules around that. And I know that there were

0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 2>people that when Nick and Billy started to make more

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<v Speaker 2>of a name on the independent scene, people kind of

0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.520
<v Speaker 2>turn their nose up at it. And I get it,

0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.639
<v Speaker 2>I do get it. But because there's a lot of

0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 2>predators in the wrestling business. There's a lot of garbage

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 2>in the wrestling business, especially on the independent level. There's

0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of drugs, there's a lot of bad influence,

0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.560
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of nonsense. You don't want your kid

0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.400
<v Speaker 2>exposed to that. You don't want to send your kid

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.600
<v Speaker 2>off for trading. That type of mentality I don't get.

0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.600
<v Speaker 2>But these are two people that again, and the only

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 2>thing I don't know the lucha scene, But I know, look,

0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 2>kids start thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, it'll be minis. You know,

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Raymisterio started as a mini and then you know, as

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.600
<v Speaker 2>he started to grow, you know, that's when he took

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 2>on the Raymisterio Junior name, you know, from his uncle,

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Raymisterio Senior and all that. And that's the only thing

0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I can I can try to equate, you know, starts

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 2>and Wayne to Yes, Nick's father has passed away, but

0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you something, you don't want to cross

0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Mama Wayne. And on top of that. There's just a

0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that really care about that kid because

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Buddy was such a good guy, because Buddy did influence

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>so many of those guys. You think Craig Proper is

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 2>going to let anything happen to Buddy Wayne. Hell no,

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 2>you think Garby Allen or Swerve Strickland or about a

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 2>zillion people, you know, No, absolutely not. And they were

0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 2>very well protected. Same thing with Billy Starks and her

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.919
<v Speaker 2>father being a photographer or stepfather being a photographer. He

0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 2>would be there at all the shows. We met her mother,

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:29.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, wonderful lady. And those two kids are the

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.119
<v Speaker 2>exception to the rule. And there's somebody I think that

0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.679
<v Speaker 2>aaw is really going to be able to get some

0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.240
<v Speaker 2>make some really great hay out of because there are

0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>kids like my kid who see them. And again, wrestling,

0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.679
<v Speaker 2>you want to identify with somebody. That was one of

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:49.919
<v Speaker 2>the whole points of bringing in more diversity into the

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.160
<v Speaker 2>writer's rooms. It's one of the reasons that you want

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.760
<v Speaker 2>more diversity. You do want somebody that you can identify

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 2>with and go, that's my dude, you know, or that's

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 2>my person, that's the person I want to root for,

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, And again. They have that with Nick Wayne

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 2>and they and I think they're gonna have that with

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Billy Starks. And I tell you a lot of pressure

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>on Nick right now. You know, obviously being on national

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>TV your whole career. There's not many examples of this.

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, a Ketsuhikinakajima was one case in Noah recently,

0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.879
<v Speaker 2>but there's not there's not a lot of this. Tommy

0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Rich is a good example of it though. When WTBS

0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.880
<v Speaker 2>started in nineteen seventy six and went up on the

0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:31.360
<v Speaker 2>on the satellite, one of the big things that they did,

0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:35.879
<v Speaker 2>which unfortunately did not make it to tape, was Abdullah

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:41.119
<v Speaker 2>the Butcher killing Tommy Rich, you know, killed him. But

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.399
<v Speaker 2>then it was the fight that he showed. It was

0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the expressions he showed on his face which Nick showed,

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.639
<v Speaker 2>and they went through a series and then finally he

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 2>beat Abdullah the Butcher, and then that really sealed a

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.440
<v Speaker 2>deal with him being the most over guy not only

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 2>in the state of Georgia, but anybody that had a

0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>TV that was watching WTBS. Coming up after the break,

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>author Emily Sweeney to talk about her great book, Dropkick Murphy,

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 2>available through Hamilcar Publications. Back on the show, Mike simperviv

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 2>here with you Wrestling Observer Live. Brian Alvherez. We'll be

0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:17.640
<v Speaker 2>back with me tomorrow, but right now, it's my pleasure

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to introduce our next guest. Emily Sweeney's the author of

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>several nonfiction books, including Boston Organized Crime and Gangland Boston,

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>as well as writing for the Boston Globe newspaper. A

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 2>journalist known for taking people through time to recount the

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.680
<v Speaker 2>often violent adventures of nefarious people from Boston's organized crime scene.

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Her new book, Dropkick Murphy, A Legendary Life, shines a

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>light on a man who really was a shining light

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<v Speaker 2>in Emily, How are you today?

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<v Speaker 4>Great? Hey, thank you so much for having me on

0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 4>the show. I really appreciate it.

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely. Now, look with what you often write about,

0:24:56.680 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 2>like was this a cleansing voyage for you of like

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I gotta deal with something good here, or

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.679
<v Speaker 2>like how did this project come to be?

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, so, I mean I write a lot of

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 4>I cover a lot of break in news and crime

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 4>for the Globe, I write about organized crime, and you know,

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 4>the this was like a nice a nice change of pace,

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.640
<v Speaker 4>I gotta say, because there's a really positive story. And

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I learned so much about this this this guy who

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 4>read it like led just such an amazing life and

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 4>was a great professional wrestler as well.

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Now were you growing up? Were you at all of it?

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>You are a a former uh Northeastern University hockey player,

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 2>so you obviously you were athletic growing up. Did you

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.600
<v Speaker 2>ever have any interest at all in professional wrestling?

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Yeah, so I grew up, you know what I mean,

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 4>during like the eighties WWF, you know what I mean,

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 4>was like prime time for me when I was younger.

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.199
<v Speaker 4>I even got to see, you know, a match the

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Boston God and when the old Boston God and back

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.959
<v Speaker 4>in the day and and yeah. So I always had

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.360
<v Speaker 4>like a love of professional wrestling, but I gotta say

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 4>I didn't follow it as much as I got older.

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.239
<v Speaker 4>And so, you know, writing this book and learning all

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.479
<v Speaker 4>about you know, professional wrestling, you know, Dropkick Murphy was

0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 4>active in the thirties and forties, and just learning about,

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, how wrestling was back then was just really

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 4>really interesting.

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>This man, John Murphy, a former professional wrestler turned osteopathic doctor.

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 2>He got it. He became a doctor, and then he

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 2>opens up this uh the sanitarium, this this relaxation form,

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>and to pull it back a little bit, it seems

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>like Murphy was just put on earth to be drawn to,

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>because you write about him when he was in high

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>high school and you're running, you know, and there are

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>reporters and cartoonists of the newspaper that are covering the

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>high school football game. They're more dazzled by him being

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the drummer of the band. And it seemed like that

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>continued throughout his wrestling career and into his his medical work,

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 2>where he just seemed like a light or a crystal

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 2>that people just could not like help but be drawn to.

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, he really was. He was a real true showman,

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 4>no matter what he was doing, whether he was like

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 4>leading the matching band in high school. And again, you know,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 4>like you said, there was Globe reporters like, you know,

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.120
<v Speaker 4>mentioning how amazing he was, like how figh he could

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 4>throw his butts on up in the air, and then

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.119
<v Speaker 4>in the wrestling ring, I thought it was amazing. So

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 4>he was. He would wrestle at night, and then he

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 4>put himself through four years of medical school that way

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 4>during the day, going to classes and labs, and he

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 4>successfully graduated, you know, and then obviously went on to

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, open up detox center for alcoholics.

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>That and we will get to that too, because it's

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>that is such a fascinating thing. There are so many

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 2>fascinating parts of this book because it's not just about

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 2>a wrestler who wrestled and then did something with himself

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 2>after his life. I mean, you cross weave so many

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 2>different stories into his life and in through that time

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>in Boston, and I guess, I guess first what when

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:35.560
<v Speaker 2>you went and looked back, what was it like? Because

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>you write about it in the book about the fact

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that there was no alcoholics anonymous, there was no narcotics

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>anonymous or any of that sort of stuff. There were

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>these types of getaway relaxation forms for people, but there

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 2>really was nothing. I mean, this book is really a

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:56.120
<v Speaker 2>lot of it's about the evolution of recovery and his

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>part that he played in it, being so again being

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 2>so forward looking without ever even knowing about it. Can

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>you kind of talk a little bit about just kind

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of the times and what made him want to help

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>people so much where it seemed like there were so

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>many others that would always turn people away because of

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>their alcoholism.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, so, I mean Dropkick Murphy. Throughout his life

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 4>he was always into sports. He was always athletic and

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 4>living a healthy lifestyle. And you know, when he became

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 4>an adult in a professional wrestler, he was really into

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 4>helping people live healthy lifestyles too. He was doing like

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 4>at his farm, he opened up like a state of

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 4>the art gymnasium. He was offering like personal training and

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 4>fitness classes. This is like the nineteen forties, you know

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.880
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, you know, before like you know, gym

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 4>memberships were like really you know, mainstream, and he was

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 4>really ahead of his time and really enjoyed helping people.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's why he went to medical school

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 4>as well. And there was definitely a need because you know,

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 4>he ran the Fellows farm for decades and had steady

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 4>business throughout, so clearly there was like a need for

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, this type of you know service, like having

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 4>a place to go to dry out and to also

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:17.960
<v Speaker 4>you know be among you know, your peers too for support.

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, yeah, it's pretty incredible.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seemed like the brotherhood aspect, and at one

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>point the sisterhood aspect was very important when they came

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to running that farm, and they came to helping people

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 2>dry out. It wasn't just about okay, you know, you're

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>going to go through the delirium tremens. We'll take care

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 2>of that, and you need to eat better and that

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. It was really seemingly about getting these

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>people together because they were all really in the same boat,

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>whether they were you know, businessmen or bankers or whatever

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that led them there.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, so, I mean the clientele, you know, was

0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 4>represented a broad range of you know, occupy patients, professions,

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 4>he had like politicians, all kinds of people. And drop

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 4>Kick actually was very clear eyed about it too, you know,

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 4>he's you know, looking back, he said he wasn't sure,

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, he wasn't looking to cure anybody of alcoholism,

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 4>but he did want to just provide a place where

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 4>somebody could go and you know, get a break, and

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 4>you know what, if they continued to be sober, great,

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 4>If not, he'd probably see them in a few more months,

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.640
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. But you know, it was uh,

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, it was a service that was really needed,

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, And and yeah, yes, pretty incredible and like

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 4>like you said, he was really forward thinking, you know

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, kind of ahead of his time.

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, and you talk about you know, you hate nobody

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>was ever held there against so well, if they wanted

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to go, they could go, but they would be welcomed

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>back as long as they didn't do anything crazy or

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. And you write about a story in

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the book where you know, he would pay for people's

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>cab fare if if they if they showed up and like,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, okay, we'll pay for that and we'll take

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>air of you. There was a story about a guy

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>who he was uh that that that that dropkick was

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>fond of, that got a ride from Prince Edward Island

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and ninety dollars cab fare, which god knows

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 2>what that is adjusted for inflation. But he would seemingly

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>do those things for I don't want to say for everybody,

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.959
<v Speaker 2>but anybody that came around that he felt, you know,

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>really was trying or really he felt something about, he

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>would really go out of their way to help them.

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, and it really speaks to like, you know,

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.800
<v Speaker 4>how I guess like how well liked he was too,

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 4>and how great of a place it was because you

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of the guys would come back again

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 4>and again and and you know, and they travel long

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 4>distances to go, you know, to get help. And yeah,

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.520
<v Speaker 4>it's yeah, even from as far as Prince Edward Island,

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 4>which is not you know what I mean, your typical

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 4>uh freaking cab fair.

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>You know. And you talked about him opening up things

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to the public and one of the things that you

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about in the book or some of the athletes

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 2>they came through and you're thinking, Okay, probably everybody listening

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>right now, it's a wrestling show. Okay, wrestlers went through. Surely,

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>wrestlers probably did go through, But it was the boxers

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that came as a getaway to train the same way

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that you know that the custom model would have his

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>place in the cat Skills or people go to dig

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Bear to train before Dala Hoya before a big fight.

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>His location because of all the state of the VR

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>equipment and because of a apparently the best masuse on

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the planet. Guys would go up there and get ready

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 2>for big championship fights.

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, a bunch of guys. Champion Tony Demaco train there.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 4>Tommy Collins, you know, before his big fight against Jimmy

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 4>cattat in Boston Gaden, he trained at Drop Kicks. You know,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 4>they had you know, access to State of y at

0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, fitness equipment and also most importantly a regulation

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 4>size ring. You know that they were used to to

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:09.600
<v Speaker 4>spa and everything. So, I mean that's another interesting twist

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 4>to it all too, because you know, it was like

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 4>this interesting, really interesting place because you had all these

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:18.919
<v Speaker 4>guys who were you know, bleary eyed drying out from

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 4>being drunk, and then you had like these elite athletes

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 4>who are like training like you know, feet away from them.

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 4>So it was it was interesting, that's for sure.

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Now are we sure that the great One himself, Jackie

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Gleason did not go up there for a for a stay.

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>He was only up there to visit and say hi

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and hang out. He did not have a true stay

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 2>up there, as many people believe that he did.

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 4>Well, most people believe that he did. You know, there

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 4>was a picture of Jackie Gleason that that that was

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:56.240
<v Speaker 4>hung at the Fellow's Times said, you know if and

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.800
<v Speaker 4>and he did visit there, but Dropkicks children I interviewed

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 4>for the book. Uh, you know they you know, the

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 4>oldest guy living son He had told me that, you know,

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 4>Jackie wasn't there to dry out, but he did want

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 4>to get in shape, you know, and you can read

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 4>into that however you want. And he wanted to lease

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 4>the whole place, and Dropkick thought about it. And even

0:35:18.000 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 4>though like it was like a very generous offer, you know,

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 4>Jackie was willing to pay top Jalla, you know, Dropkick

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 4>you know decline, you know, declined his offer because he

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 4>didn't want to close up shop, you know what I mean,

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 4>because he had to study, you know, study in flow

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 4>of patients coming in all the time, and you know,

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 4>he didn't want to turn anybody away.

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.799
<v Speaker 2>When you started this, like, did you know you're going

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to have to become so proficient on the history of

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 2>state regulation of pro wrestling from eighty years ago? Because

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I look at the list of guys and you have

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a murderer's row of wrestling historians. Scott Teel, Steve o Hey,

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Tim Hornbaker, Greg Oliver, Steve Johnson, Julian Shabbat. I mean,

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>how much did they help you out with this? And

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 2>did you have any idea what it was going to

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 2>be like when you started to go back through history

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and kind of start, you know, looking back and retelling

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>the tale of the Dropkick portion of John Murphy's life.

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know what, so I had no idea when

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I am backed on this. I mean I've written books before,

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.879
<v Speaker 4>I I you know, I do research, you know, every

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 4>day as a profession. But it took me like the

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 4>beta pod of ten years actually to pull this book together.

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 4>That's just because there was a lot of moving pots

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 4>number one. And then also professional wrestling back then, you know,

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean, especially following Dropkicks career wasn't exactly you know,

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 4>documented perfectly, but you know, talking to guys like Julian

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 4>Schabaz it was so helpful. I talked, you know, had

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 4>phone conversations and exchanged emails with him and and all

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>the you know, wrestling historians before me who like helped

0:36:56.120 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 4>dig up information, you know, I you know, I I

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 4>relied on you know, you know a lot of their work,

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, and then also just digging through old newspaper

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 4>archives and looking up old state laws. Yeah, like I mean,

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, professional wrestling was regulated so differently. Some places

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.000
<v Speaker 4>it wasn't regulated you know, different state by state, could

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 4>change year to year. It was uh yeah, it was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was quite a research project from BACA, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Emie can I keep you through the break here,

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<v Speaker 2>and do you have two more minutes to give me

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<v Speaker 2>after the commercial?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I really appreciate everybody. Speaking with Emily sweeteny H's

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<v Speaker 2>new book, Dropkick Murphy A Legendary Life is available through

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<v Speaker 2>Handlecar Publications, and we'll talk a little bit more to

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<v Speaker 2>her when we get back from Break. Wrestling Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on the show, Mike said, for BV here with

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<v Speaker 2>you Wrestling Observerlive speaking with Emily Sweeney, who's new book,

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<v Speaker 2>Dropkick Murphy A Legendary Life is available through Hamilcar Publications

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere you buy books, Amazon and all that sort of stuff. Emily,

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<v Speaker 2>I thank you so much for hanging with me during

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<v Speaker 2>the break. Look, I gotta be honest here. As I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading the book, I kept waiting for a shoe to

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<v Speaker 2>drop on this guy's life, like something bad is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be said, something he did something. There was seemingly nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and his family loved them and they accepted what he

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<v Speaker 2>was doing. And they again he says, it taught his

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<v Speaker 2>kids a lot of humanity doing what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there any negative at all that you saw going

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<v Speaker 2>through this journey and finding out about Murphy?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, you know, what I mean. I dug in as

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<v Speaker 4>deep as I could, and I did not find any

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<v Speaker 4>you know that there wasn't any like you know, secret

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<v Speaker 4>scandal or anything like that. You know. Yeah, So, I

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<v Speaker 4>mean he lived a good life and you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>out so many people along the way. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a really incredible story. And you know, I hope books

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<v Speaker 4>who are interested in wrestling will check it out because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I think he's a little overlooked, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in the wrestling world, and I'm hoping the book changes

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<v Speaker 4>out a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it will. You know, wrestled out of the

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Bowser Syndicate, wrestled Jumping, Josephaldi, Gusan and berg Luthez,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the big names from wrestling's history he crossed

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<v Speaker 2>paths with in just a This is a great story.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a great book. And again, there are so

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<v Speaker 2>many things in interweave in here very quickly. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>have any signings or anything you're going to be doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, you know what, I'm going to be giving

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<v Speaker 4>a talk at the Medford Public Library tonight at seven o'clock,

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<v Speaker 4>and then also I'll be doing a book signing event

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<v Speaker 4>September seventeenth, at the Bull Run Restaurant in Shirley, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 4>and tickets are available for that, and that's also a

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<v Speaker 4>fundraise of for local libraries.

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<v Speaker 2>So awesome. Well, Emily, I thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on and I hope to have you on again.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody make sure you grab this book. I'll tweet it out,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody that's out there listening, have a great rest

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<v Speaker 2>of your day and we shall talk to you again

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<v Speaker 2>after a while.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been listening to the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast

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