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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've never told your production to

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Speaker 2: buy Heart Radio, and welcome to another edition of Happier

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Speaker 2: as always. If you choose to drink or whatever you

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Speaker 2: choose to do, please do so responsibly. Are you sipping

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Speaker 2: on anything, Samantha?

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Speaker 3: So I discovered, you know, I had the complaint about

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Speaker 3: the fact that my bubble water that I would do

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Speaker 3: from home, I no longer have the pineapple. I found

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Speaker 3: it in the cane version. So I bought me an

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Speaker 3: eight pack and so I'm sipping on what of Do's, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm quite happy.

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Speaker 3: What about you know, just keeping that chill without the alcohol.

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Speaker 2: I'm drinking my final beer, my final Dragon con beer,

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Speaker 2: the last one left over.

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Speaker 1: End of an Era flash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this episode is a bit of a grab bag,

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Speaker 2: and it does have to do with the fact that

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Speaker 2: Smith and I we've just been rushing about. Sure, we've

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Speaker 2: been We've been going. I feel like I've been going

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Speaker 2: since the end of June. I feel like I have

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Speaker 2: been going, going, going, and we you are about to

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Speaker 2: leave for your birthday trip, of which I am hitchhiking

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Speaker 2: my wagon to part of When we go to Seattle, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, again, listeners, if you have any suggestions

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Speaker 2: for things we should do or eat or whatever. We're

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Speaker 2: in Seattle, let us now be there at the end

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Speaker 2: Also, we're doing our Sex and the City listener join

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Speaker 2: us watch party, so enter that soon if you want

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Speaker 2: to do it. We've already got a list of names.

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Speaker 2: But if you would like to be considered, we are

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Speaker 2: doing it soonish, So yes, but yeah, we're kind of

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Speaker 2: before we go. And uh, I just have noticed I

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Speaker 2: them is jealousy. Oh, I am experiencing a lot of jealousy.

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Speaker 2: I'm normally not a very jealous person, but the jealousy

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Speaker 2: And I know, if you're listening to this, you're like,

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Speaker 2: talking about like every day or just like every other day,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but like just having fun or or

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Speaker 2: But I think that the issue is I'm really good

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, I'm very, very privileged and lucky

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Speaker 2: Mad people out there having a good old time.

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Speaker 3: I think it's interesting because I do wonder because I

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Speaker 3: often think about when hobbies happen and people having interests,

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Speaker 3: because you have so many interests, and yes, we have

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Speaker 3: four five years. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting this. I

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Speaker 3: keep forgetting that it's been five years. But having that

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Speaker 3: I don't need presence and I don't really want presents

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Speaker 3: But you do a great job of giving me gifts

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Speaker 3: because I'm like, for a person who has no interest,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's interesting to get that viewpoint, because I feel,

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Speaker 2: I feel like I just need because again, I'm too

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Speaker 2: It's a combination of the things I've been talking about.

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Speaker 3: That would be funny if y'all know any any of

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 2: So sometimes it feels like I can't even the thing

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Speaker 2: I'm making all of hand gestures, lots of in gestures here. Well,

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