Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you. My own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, we lost Cultu Ding Dong,
Speaker 1: lost Culturistas calling.
Speaker 2: I think we can switch the count of lovely straight
Speaker 2: male guests that we've had on the show on two hands.
Speaker 1: Now skyrocketed with this one. I just wanted too, he
Speaker 1: and I think that that that warrant celebration, like well,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, I have got my coke
Speaker 1: sharrow in front of me, and of course it says
Speaker 1: bro and that had to be cosmic. Absolutely. I have
Speaker 1: to tell you, I'm a little distracted because Bone and
Speaker 1: I were eating something spicy today and our stomachs are
Speaker 1: in a place, and I think it put me on
Speaker 1: a bad moon or on a call we just had,
Speaker 1: And I'm concerned about the way that I actually.
Speaker 2: My I admired you on that call. I mean you
Speaker 2: were you were sort of like it wasn't directed at anyone.
Speaker 2: It was kind of a rallying cry to get the
Speaker 2: whole team everyone on this zoom on the same page
Speaker 2: about something.
Speaker 1: Readers Katie's publicised by all those Kyle's, you know, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just like you get frustrated and it has
Speaker 1: to come out like.
Speaker 2: And I don't even I don't like being like I
Speaker 2: had a moment like that this morning with you, before
Speaker 2: we with me, know, with just the people in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was just like I was just exasperated.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you get to a certain point where
Speaker 1: you're just like I have to vent frustrations and it's
Speaker 1: it's hard because like I feel like my modus operandi
Speaker 1: every day is like cheerful, want to leave places better
Speaker 1: than I that I came in. And then but sometimes
Speaker 1: you get a little human moment and your stomach is
Speaker 1: heard from reading something spicy, and things are kind of
Speaker 1: like getting to you and you express.
Speaker 2: Can I point out something else? Your em O lately
Speaker 2: has been to say the full modus operandi rather than
Speaker 2: abbreviating it to m O. Because this is I think
Speaker 2: the second time this week that you've said the full
Speaker 2: modus operandi, And.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you every time I say the expression
Speaker 1: modus operanity, I'm like, I think this is right, it is,
Speaker 1: it is right, you know what it means. I actually
Speaker 1: did it. I didn't know that. M oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I've literally been thinking of them as.
Speaker 2: I kind of love that for you, that you're saying
Speaker 2: the full that your modus upper randy, You're you're tripling
Speaker 2: the vale the syllable count.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a beautiful phrase, modus upper randy.
Speaker 1: Think about like the peaks and valleys of that.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know what I want to kind of
Speaker 2: work in which is so insufferable as NB or not
Speaker 2: to benh What does that mean? Like you know, like
Speaker 2: when like when someone writes something and then go n
Speaker 2: B as in as in like A, it's like A,
Speaker 2: it's like a PS. But it's like within the same paragraph.
Speaker 2: It's like I went to the store today NB. It
Speaker 2: was crowded. You know, I don't know about n B.
Speaker 2: No whateever uses Well anyway, that's Latin slash Italian. And
Speaker 2: we have an Italian legend with us in the room. Truly,
Speaker 2: it's a Roman Catholic Italian Roman. We got to talk
Speaker 2: about the pope, the pope, the conclave.
Speaker 1: This maybe see this is why this fate and karma
Speaker 1: in the air, because we have one of the we
Speaker 1: have a we have a scholar on the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: He met a pope, met a pope, maybe met the
Speaker 2: last great one?
Speaker 3: Can I say that now that more and more comes
Speaker 3: out about Leo.
Speaker 1: I Also, I know that I'm saying this from like
Speaker 1: a place of like having an upset stomach and also
Speaker 1: like a little bit ornery because of your ornery. I
Speaker 1: had a thing today, But like, what the fuck did
Speaker 1: people expect with them?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not surprised. It's just like it's so funny.
Speaker 2: It's so funny the way that like popes are like
Speaker 2: ripe for like literal adulation from like internet people like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that the new pope.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's get together and watch the conclaven like
Speaker 1: what then be Immediately then you find out that they're Catholic.
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're can I be real, Like this's
Speaker 1: never gonna change, Like you're never gonna the pope is
Speaker 1: never gonna be like, yeah, I think gay guys should
Speaker 1: rock the fuck on. That's never what the pope is
Speaker 1: gonna say now.
Speaker 2: But we liked We liked Francis because he was kind
Speaker 2: of like gag guy should rock the fuck on and
Speaker 2: then still used slurs in a literally in a way
Speaker 2: that made me go I like him, really made me go,
Speaker 2: that is hilarious.
Speaker 1: Gene. Okay, I thought I forgot about that. It's as
Speaker 1: beautiful as modus operanda. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Well, anyway, our guest is a real legend, truly, truly.
Speaker 2: This is his fourth Netflix special, The Good Life, The
Speaker 2: Good Life.
Speaker 1: It's really sublime.
Speaker 2: Might have shed a tear, but that's because I was
Speaker 2: at serotonin zero when I watched it, and that's exactly
Speaker 2: where the state in which I should have watched.
Speaker 1: I probably was like, my serotonin probably was a little
Speaker 1: bit higher than that. But I also cried, Oh, I
Speaker 1: mean it's yeah, there's an incredible storyteller. It was a sensitive,
Speaker 1: amazing man.
Speaker 3: Cute guy, guy, not bad, not bad. I'm not bad
Speaker 3: to look at either.
Speaker 1: Well, don't make his head explode, everyone, please, Well, Miclia,
Speaker 1: this is the best introduction of the podcast I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Was it? Cute guy, not bad, not bad? No, Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: it's great to have a front runner front title of app.
Speaker 3: His modus operandi operan di Do you see die or D?
Speaker 1: I guess Latin is D die?
Speaker 3: I think die? I like to get in the Latin
Speaker 3: in You like that? Modus operandi?
Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about your current modus operandi?
Speaker 3: My current modus operandi anything the mode of working. I
Speaker 3: guess is I'm in writ a writer space right now.
Speaker 3: I'm writing my next movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how is okay? And can you share what
Speaker 2: stage you're out with it.
Speaker 3: I'm at the stage of like, I want to film
Speaker 3: it next spring, and I've written drafts of it and
Speaker 3: I just want to get it to a point where
Speaker 3: it's an ensemble where all eight characters are like lovely
Speaker 3: and it's very like Don't Think Twice. And yeah, we've
Speaker 3: all talked about Don't Think Twice a bit because.
Speaker 1: It mirrored the NYU improv life. I mean in that movie.
Speaker 1: I remember I told you this one I came on
Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm sure you guys spoke about you Don't
Speaker 1: Think Twice as well. Like it shook me to my
Speaker 1: core when I first watched it, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I remember, it was like, I don't know how you felt.
Speaker 2: We've never really talked about that. We hadn't really talked
Speaker 2: about Don't Think Twice.
Speaker 1: Ye, maybe because it was a sensitive subject at the time,
Speaker 1: but like it really scared me. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: there's no way I'd be that much of a dick
Speaker 1: to my friends as the character you play in that movie.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if this is like
Speaker 1: a depiction of what our community is really like. And
Speaker 1: then you go through that experience and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: all sorts of humanity can come out, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an interesting life experience of like the
Speaker 3: first time for me, it was like in my thirties
Speaker 3: when you realize, like life isn't fair, like not everyone
Speaker 3: gets the same thing in your group of best friends
Speaker 3: from college exactly.
Speaker 2: But then as this new film a lovelier bunch than
Speaker 2: the Don't Think twice group, you would say.
Speaker 3: It's an I think mixed bag. Oh, I think it's
Speaker 3: it's a fun ensemble film. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I'm going to be in it.
Speaker 3: Like I'm excited to just write and direct and making
Speaker 3: movies is so fun and I just love it.
Speaker 1: I love I'm obsessed with movies.
Speaker 3: I think that's my My lost cultures is kind of
Speaker 3: like way in movies we watch, for example, like we
Speaker 3: watch Wicked probably seven or eight times.
Speaker 1: She would lose her mind if she knows I knew
Speaker 1: I was here right now. I don't think the kids
Speaker 1: care about me.
Speaker 3: No, she cares, and she watches SNL and I think
Speaker 3: maybe you've been on it.
Speaker 1: As a cake. Is it possible I have not been.
Speaker 2: Huge folks cross over to That's huge for her, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and the same way that it's huge for me, because
Speaker 2: can I tell you the thing that breaks my heart
Speaker 2: about my summer is that I can't line up with
Speaker 2: the shooting dates.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 3: I guess I gotta whatever it's got to. It's gotta wait,
Speaker 3: but it's coming back.
Speaker 1: There's something you know, who I feel like would connect
Speaker 1: with kids and clearly has is my There's something very
Speaker 1: like infectious about his energy and childlike about it that
Speaker 1: I think, like.
Speaker 3: To my daughter, Mikey is like my Steve Martin. Like
Speaker 3: sometimes I'll explain to her, I'll be like, so the
Speaker 3: way you see Mikey is like how I see Steve Martin,
Speaker 3: and she kind of gets it.
Speaker 2: I think you have this joke in the special where
Speaker 2: when people stop you on the street when she's with you,
Speaker 2: like a big fan of your comedy whatever, when they
Speaker 2: like when they like throw praise at you in passing.
Speaker 2: You know, you finally asked her one day, like how
Speaker 2: does that make you feel? When that happens? And the
Speaker 2: spoil it and she said, well you you say it.
Speaker 1: She goes, it's a waste of my time. Right, But
Speaker 1: then and I got, that's the mean thing name has
Speaker 1: ever said that.
Speaker 3: And I know Bill Burr, great joke. But then when
Speaker 3: someone called me the other day and they go, who's
Speaker 3: like a friend of Bill Burr And they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: I think Bill Burr might have some concerns about that,
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 1: It's a compliments. You think he's a sweetheart, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The reality is he is. For so is like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's a ballbuster, right, That's the way it ran to me,
Speaker 1: And I misunderstood. No, no, I think let's just okay,
Speaker 1: we can just address this here and now. Let's address
Speaker 1: it here and now Bill Burr is one of the
Speaker 1: great sweethearts of the industry, so lovely. The persona is ballbuster,
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, unless I misunderstood all the special well,
Speaker 1: I think that it's like to an audience watching your special,
Speaker 1: like I would imagine they watch his specials as well.
Speaker 1: And the persona is ballbuster. So you're speaking to the persona,
Speaker 1: you're speaking about this person with the you know, well,
Speaker 1: I was, well.
Speaker 3: Of course I overthink everything, so this person says this
Speaker 3: to me, and I go, well, what do you think
Speaker 3: he'll say?
Speaker 1: They go, well, he might call you. I go, well,
Speaker 1: if he calls me, here's what I would say.
Speaker 3: I would go if it wasn't your name, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: get a last exactly. It's like, that's that's the meaning
Speaker 3: thing anyone's ever said to me.
Speaker 1: And I know Chris Rock, he doesn't have that persona.
Speaker 2: Mean whereas other other Yeah, and there's something about the
Speaker 2: ear hit of Bill or that the sound of the
Speaker 2: pop pop pop. But then you say that your daughter okay,
Speaker 2: and I believe that your daughter has said to you
Speaker 2: that that is a waste of It's a waste of
Speaker 2: her time. It happens, But does she understand that, you know,
Speaker 2: her dad, being who he is and doing what he does,
Speaker 2: ends up like is the reason why she gets to
Speaker 2: go to Rome, or that he gets to be in
Speaker 2: a Taylor Swift music video or something like that.
Speaker 1: Does she can connect to it on that level?
Speaker 3: I'd like to think so, But you know, it's like
Speaker 3: you and I make the joke in the special it's
Speaker 3: like we're My parents were not physically affectionate with me,
Speaker 3: and like Jenny and I are the opposite, which I'm
Speaker 3: gonna we'll find out what problem actually is when she's
Speaker 3: a grown up, right, So it's like you know you're
Speaker 3: messing up something and you just try to do your best.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to see like a micro generation under us,
Speaker 2: like we know people, okay, perfect example, friend of the
Speaker 2: show Natalie Roder Lateman, and then another friend of the show,
Speaker 2: Celeste Jim says the reason they love Natalie so much
Speaker 2: is because Natalie is someone who is a product of
Speaker 2: their parents loving them so much. And she's just this wonderful, chill,
Speaker 2: like just like care free kind of person and in
Speaker 2: a way that is like so unfettered, and I feel like,
Speaker 2: hopefully that's where gonna ends up.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think for her to be able
Speaker 2: to say it's a waste of my time, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I showed her the trailer the other day and then
Speaker 3: this week I'm gonna show her some clips kind of easy.
Speaker 3: Some of this stuff is a little over age ten Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean in terms of in terms
Speaker 3: of like heaviness or in terms of heaviness. I think, yes,
Speaker 3: the stroke stuff is pretty heavy. Yeah, this is for
Speaker 3: people listening like it's about my dad having a stroke
Speaker 3: and kind of yaling with that and yeah, it's pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Would it play the same in every iteration that you
Speaker 2: would do the show? Where like there are there are
Speaker 2: these really quick shifts in room tony even not even
Speaker 2: just like your tone as a performer, but like the
Speaker 2: room hush falls in the room so quickly and then
Speaker 2: you immediately break that and picks back up. But like,
Speaker 2: what did you see the peaks and valley every time
Speaker 2: in the same way.
Speaker 3: It definitely varied and over you know, over time it's
Speaker 3: like calibrating how do you signal to the audience and
Speaker 3: quickly that I'm gonna say something serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, A lot of it is like honestly just silence.
Speaker 3: Like there'll be moments where like I'll just walk stage
Speaker 3: right and just not say anything.
Speaker 1: For a second.
Speaker 3: I think at this point my audience is like they
Speaker 3: kind of know from the old man in the pool
Speaker 3: and the new one that like that's in there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's like actually, like one of the coolest things
Speaker 3: about making these shows now is that like it's not
Speaker 3: out of nowhere to there's drama.
Speaker 2: I feel like the drama in the past is always
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe my memory is bad, but it
Speaker 2: felt like it like lived a little bit longer. And
Speaker 2: in this one, it feels like in the Good Life.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's the rhythm. The cadence is like
Speaker 2: a little bit more contracted in a way that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is really interesting, Like you kind of like toggle
Speaker 2: between them in a quicker way.
Speaker 1: I feel like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think part of it is my other shows
Speaker 3: were about kind of pain that I experienced in the past,
Speaker 3: and this one, for the first time, it's about pain
Speaker 3: I'm experiencing in my present. My dad is like still
Speaker 3: hanging on after having a stroke fifteen months ago. It's
Speaker 3: like it's devastating. Yeah, Like it's like every week it's
Speaker 3: just really really hard.
Speaker 1: And we have moments. Right, It's like, and I talk
Speaker 1: about that in the special.
Speaker 3: Is like going to celebrate his eighty fourth birthday, was
Speaker 3: beautifully surrounded by his children and his grandchildren, and like
Speaker 3: I gave him rosary beads from the Vatican that the
Speaker 3: at the last Pope blast and it's like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that that's the rawness of it, Yeah, is
Speaker 3: what connects with people, and you guys are saying like
Speaker 3: you're a little choked up from It's like I want
Speaker 3: that to be the case. Yeah, I think like I
Speaker 3: think the for me, like the comedy that I connect
Speaker 3: to most. And that's why I was saying, like, like
Speaker 3: movies is my like love language of like my culture.
Speaker 3: ISA is like it's like movies. I think, do that
Speaker 3: really well when they like James L.
Speaker 1: Brooks movies or like.
Speaker 3: Like even this weekend, like we were watching because it's
Speaker 3: on Netflix now because four seasons Tina Fey's Great series
Speaker 3: on we watched The Originalist week and so I'm just
Speaker 3: so choked up something about those seventies movies that like Rex.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, what's your favorite James L. Brooks broadcast news?
Speaker 3: Absolutely and in terms of endearment number two terms is wild.
Speaker 1: So I have a question though, because you talk about
Speaker 1: like how there wasn't a lot of affection from your parents,
Speaker 1: like were you always someone? I have two questions. One,
Speaker 1: you went to Georgetown, right, Yeah? Do you think if
Speaker 1: your parents had hugged you more you still would have
Speaker 1: gone to Georgetown? No? Probably not right? Right? So that
Speaker 1: thank you for answering that question. So in a way,
Speaker 1: who for thought out there. And another thing is were
Speaker 1: you always seeking out emotional outlets as a kid or
Speaker 1: is that a did you arrive at wanting connections with
Speaker 1: emotional films and media a little bit later because you
Speaker 1: felt maybe delayed or lacking in that.
Speaker 3: I think I found it when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: I would write like poems and songs like I have
Speaker 3: these ridiculous like a joke book, a poem book, a songbook,
Speaker 3: and then my you know, I still have and they're ridiculous,
Speaker 3: and I had no real outlet for it. I did
Speaker 3: a little theater in high school, and when I went
Speaker 3: to college, I auditioned for the improv group and I
Speaker 3: didn't know what improv was. And then I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm all in on this and so that became my
Speaker 3: entire existence and I was that was yeah, and it
Speaker 3: kind of weirdly still is, like yes, Like lately I've
Speaker 3: been improvising with the pad book Boy over at UCB
Speaker 3: and like it's my most joy outside of being with
Speaker 3: my family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm a bad friend and I have yet to be
Speaker 2: a one of those, but they've asked me multiple.
Speaker 1: Cots do it.
Speaker 2: I would love both of you come let's do you
Speaker 2: guys got to come Uprose. It's we've been doing We've
Speaker 2: been doing with Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson. It's it's
Speaker 2: been like it's so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm afraid of that one. But it's too I
Speaker 3: feel like the Bellhouses it's too big. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's like that feels weird for a second, but then
Speaker 1: it kind of becomes part of the bit. The thing
Speaker 1: with them and the thing with like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's got to be with PDD two because there are
Speaker 1: such little joy bubbles I feel like is it's like
Speaker 1: you immediately feel so comfortable and taken care of. And
Speaker 1: I think that what was stressing me out when I
Speaker 1: was like doing improv and even doing comedy at large
Speaker 1: when I was younger, is I always felt like I
Speaker 1: had something to prove and I was incapable of clearing
Speaker 1: the mind and just saying yes and listening because you're
Speaker 1: so concerned about what you say being funny or good
Speaker 1: or smart or worthwhile that like you need to be
Speaker 1: you either need time to understand how to do that
Speaker 1: or you need to be comfortable right at the jump,
Speaker 1: and they make now that I think time has passed
Speaker 1: and I understand what comedy is and they make me
Speaker 1: so comfortable. It's like a perfect situation. I think part
Speaker 1: of it is well, first of all, I love those guys.
Speaker 1: I love Dixon music all the best. You're great, thank you.
Speaker 1: Second of all, I think part of it is you're right.
Speaker 1: Like I think when you get older, you start to
Speaker 1: trust what the wisdom of the part form is or
Speaker 1: anything like literally, like I played tennis recently, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think I'm better than I was like in high
Speaker 1: school when I did you give less of a fuck? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because do you want to know why? There's nothing there's
Speaker 1: no one that's going to tell you, hey, that you
Speaker 1: did a bad job and we were counting on you.
Speaker 1: That's right, It's so true. I mean it's literally, it's
Speaker 1: like it's funny because I did a lot of team
Speaker 1: sports when I was growing up. I was a big athlete,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't want to do that anymore, and
Speaker 1: so I went to college and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, get on the improv sketch team,
Speaker 1: or like take classes at UCB, where it was unfortunately
Speaker 1: a team sport and you could disappoint people and when
Speaker 1: you're like when you were that that age and you've
Speaker 1: got your hang ups and stuff, just like twenty people
Speaker 1: is the top of the list that it would suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even because in high school, was it like a
Speaker 2: team structure, was it a ladder or something? In tennis, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah because you had because you had like a wrestling
Speaker 2: thing too, or.
Speaker 1: Tennis and soccer. Those are my high school sports.
Speaker 2: And in all those situations, it's just there are so
Speaker 2: many opportunities for someone to be like, hey, you're not
Speaker 2: good at this or something, just making me.
Speaker 1: Feel one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And also I think you most people me, I didn't
Speaker 3: have the presence of mind in high school to be like,
Speaker 3: they're right, I should relax, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like when you get older, you're like, no, no, you
Speaker 3: should relax. Yeah, like that's how you do things.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't tell a teenager or a young person
Speaker 2: to chill out.
Speaker 1: No, they don't have to. They can't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they haven't experienced enough life to not know
Speaker 1: that it's end all be all right.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so weird when you see someone who's
Speaker 3: like fifteen years old and they're like amazing at a thing, yes,
Speaker 3: and you're like, who told you?
Speaker 1: But you know they how do they know? They're so
Speaker 1: fucked up later in life.
Speaker 3: That's why I love like Queen's Gambit though, Like I
Speaker 3: was watching that recently the first time, late to the party,
Speaker 3: Like it's fun to watch a prodigy, Yeah, even though
Speaker 3: it's fake, you say, it's fun to watch, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: what would that be like if you were a prodigy
Speaker 3: you get.
Speaker 1: Addicted to drugs.
Speaker 2: That's one of the few pieces of media where it
Speaker 2: does depict the full arc of prodigy and then it
Speaker 2: all falls apart, right, yeah, and then comes together and
Speaker 2: then comes together, which is yeah, which is the best case,
Speaker 2: thank god, thank god.
Speaker 1: It's also really interesting because different adults relationship to her
Speaker 1: power and success. It really is. Really it's very good
Speaker 1: at exploring that as well, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like her adopted mother and then you know, like all
Speaker 1: the things that go on with that. Yes, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: really that like that actually was way better at it
Speaker 1: was about so much more than that one situation. And
Speaker 1: I got great art that made.
Speaker 3: Me think to watch show my daughter searching for Bobby
Speaker 3: Fisher the other day, I've ever seen oh wow, great one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then the other to day for my daughter's ten birthday,
Speaker 3: five person sleepover, and they watched Clueless. Oh no, some
Speaker 3: of them had, some of them had DoD They like it.
Speaker 1: What do they think? I think they loved it? Oh good.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes me so happy to hear, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: does this will because one of my curiosities is will
Speaker 2: this work on a younger A way younger generation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad to hear that it has or
Speaker 2: that it might.
Speaker 1: They seem pretty happy. I think I think it will.
Speaker 1: Wonder we want to know why, because what's what makes
Speaker 1: that movie work so well is that it's a shared
Speaker 1: language in the movie that like you may not understand,
Speaker 1: but they understand itself.
Speaker 2: Fantasy is so fun. It's such a fun world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 1: There's definitely some things over the over the kids heads. Sure.
Speaker 1: I remember watching it the first time and being like,
Speaker 1: I remember the moment. I was an astro van on
Speaker 1: a road trip with my parents and you know how
Speaker 1: they put the like big TV in the back of
Speaker 1: the astro vans and my sister I was I think
Speaker 1: I was nine and she was six, and we watched
Speaker 1: List and it ended and we both just stared at
Speaker 1: the screen and I said, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: vocalize this, but I was like, if something to the
Speaker 1: effect of like I think I love that, and my
Speaker 1: sister who's six, goes me too, I want to watch
Speaker 1: it again right now. Oh wow, you know what. And
Speaker 1: it's speaking to what you just said about. It's visually
Speaker 1: so fun. They're so confident doing it. Yeah, it feels
Speaker 1: like it still feels after it's tried to be copied
Speaker 1: so many times, it feels like it's doing its own thing.
Speaker 3: And also Alicia Silverstone just in like a magical period.
Speaker 3: It's something sometimes stars are having it, like Valkilmer is
Speaker 3: a good example passed away recently. You look at like
Speaker 3: real genius. You just go, I don't know what was
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: Something was something was happening. Yeah, with Valculmer in that
Speaker 1: movie is like magic is that person?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so aligned with the era. Yeah, it's when
Speaker 2: it Yeah, it's when a performer isigned with the era.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's like.
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, like risky business, just like I don't know
Speaker 3: what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would say Lindsay Lohan too. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say I was just saying and like who else
Speaker 1: for like a for like a longer period that was
Speaker 1: like a five six year period.
Speaker 3: But I was just so Aaron Stapplindsay Lohan is fantastic
Speaker 3: and my daughter loves, oh my god, the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you seen this play? John Proctor is the villain.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I brought it in today
Speaker 1: and they can even use this. It's about a classroom
Speaker 1: in high school in twenty eighteen, who is reading The
Speaker 1: Crucible under new eyes amidst me too and everything. It's fantastic. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll go see it for sure. But it got me
Speaker 1: in a work. Oh she was one of the best.
Speaker 1: Abigail Williams is in The Crucible. Oh yeah writers another one.
Speaker 3: Yes, magical in that era like be Beatle, Juice, Heathery, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Age of Innocence. This is the thing I always have
Speaker 3: to remind myself about living in New York. Sometimes you
Speaker 3: with New York, you're like too many people, this is
Speaker 3: just too many people. But then you see a show
Speaker 3: like that you go, oh, right, like we we went
Speaker 3: for UNA's birthday to see Wicked. After She's in the
Speaker 3: movies at times and I'm just losing it, like dancing
Speaker 3: through life just like.
Speaker 1: That ending unbelievable. That's me gets me.
Speaker 3: But what you're saying, there's too many people in New
Speaker 3: York and there for you don't want you want to
Speaker 3: go and go to the theater.
Speaker 1: Exactly, We're going to take advantage of what we have
Speaker 1: to it. Honestly, I'm on my kick again right now.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's like it's like Tony sees it, well now
Speaker 1: you have more time time soon. But and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: a lot, and I try to only come here with
Speaker 1: like the highlights because I see a lot. So I
Speaker 1: just saw maybe happy ending, which was amazing. And this
Speaker 1: John Proctor is the villain is my favorite thing I've
Speaker 1: seen in quite some Oh wow, yeah it's it's and
Speaker 1: Sadie Sync is the star and I'm like really excited
Speaker 1: that she used her star power from Stranger Things to
Speaker 1: highlight something like this. That's great. The player at is
Speaker 1: Kimberly Bellflower. She's amazing, Yes, yes, yes, and the whole
Speaker 1: cast is fantastic. It's just it's really I thought like
Speaker 1: at first, like when I saw like it marketed, it
Speaker 1: looked like Girl Boss the Crucible, and I was like, okay, interesting, but.
Speaker 3: It's like which we would still gladly see you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, But you never know what like mainstream
Speaker 3: theater is going to do, of course, But they've been
Speaker 3: impressing me every time I've gone out lately.
Speaker 1: I'm just like really excited about what's on stage. Love,
Speaker 1: I love, good night and good luck George? What else?
Speaker 1: What else is upright now?
Speaker 2: As you see, I'm not the person to ask this
Speaker 2: is your guy, But now that I've got time, I've
Speaker 2: said the things I love.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, are you
Speaker 1: read the subtag? Read the subtext?
Speaker 3: Are you pre dreading the questions you'll be asked about
Speaker 3: the Pope and about how this special kind of presciently
Speaker 3: focuses on the pope pre.
Speaker 1: Conclave, pre election. Yeah, it's like it was like a
Speaker 1: year ago.
Speaker 3: Jim Gaffigan calls me, who was on behalf of Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 3: asking me to go made the Pope.
Speaker 1: But I was very torn.
Speaker 3: It was older boy as a kid, and you know
Speaker 3: in the eighties like Spotlight. You know what Spotlight was about?
Speaker 3: Literally in Boston, Yeah, Massachusetts. That was a movie that
Speaker 3: Tom McCarthy's movie Spotlight that hit me so hard. Incredible movie,
Speaker 3: but but like, yeah, so I've always had like deep
Speaker 3: concerns about the Catholic Church, and and I thought about it,
Speaker 3: and ultimately it was just like this is very important
Speaker 3: to my parents, Like they raised me Catholic, my my
Speaker 3: my mom went to Latin Mass when she was a kid,
Speaker 3: like pre Vatican to Catholic Church, and so I knew,
Speaker 3: like and they were going through a hard time, and
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, I'm gonna go. And there's
Speaker 3: a oddsyn chronicity. Poe Francis's real name was Bergoglio. My
Speaker 3: last name is Bera Bilio, and uh yeah, so that's
Speaker 3: like he just he just kind of like kind of
Speaker 3: like googled himself or something or no, he just looked
Speaker 3: at it though.
Speaker 1: He like, look, yeah, he just googled comedian. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of agodio. It's my he's got to
Speaker 1: be here. We gotta make sure he's in the room.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, as far as popes go, he
Speaker 3: was pretty good, I thought, right, And yeah, he bus
Speaker 3: gay couples and he was open. This is what would
Speaker 3: Big Goldberg pointed out because she was one of the
Speaker 3: people who was there with us. She was a big
Speaker 3: fan of Frances. He welcomed divorced couples back into the church.
Speaker 3: I was like, we weren't welcoming divorce.
Speaker 1: Like what I did not get the memo on that one.
Speaker 3: But then, but then when I was there, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of talk when with the insiders of like we're
Speaker 3: a little worried that it might be a conservative pope
Speaker 3: because the international side of the church is sometimes very
Speaker 3: much more conservative than Po Francis was. And so to
Speaker 3: your point earlier of like this new pope Leo, it's
Speaker 3: like it's like, yes, there's there's things you can criticize,
Speaker 3: but also we dodged a bullet of like yeah, we
Speaker 3: got the trump of popes right right, and could have
Speaker 3: been like could have been sure, and we were tracked
Speaker 3: what we what we've said about Leo. I would that's
Speaker 3: the first thing I was gonna ask you to do.
Speaker 3: I have really strong feelings with this. No, I know
Speaker 3: almost nothing about the pop Leo guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, all I know is with the way that
Speaker 1: queer media was up in arms about him being not
Speaker 1: up in arms, but you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: people had something to say and expressing disappointment about him
Speaker 1: saying that marriage is between a man and a woman,
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, I would I would remind those people, this
Speaker 1: is the Catholic Church, Like it's kind of that's that's
Speaker 1: what that's their modus operand so it's it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe I was more irritated at it being
Speaker 1: like a news itemdline.
Speaker 3: There's might take on all major world religions because I
Speaker 3: like to disrespect, disrespect.
Speaker 1: All religions equallyam is.
Speaker 3: I think a summit we could have it, the three
Speaker 3: of us call a summit all the major world religions.
Speaker 3: We'd like to talk about sexuality and gender.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about gay people? How do you
Speaker 1: feel about women? Yeah, there's like open open forum, talk
Speaker 1: about it. Reality. Put it on a fucking record, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But if that's how you feel, put it on the
Speaker 3: record in front of all these people, and we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about it. Because I think it's weird that
Speaker 3: we have this this vague.
Speaker 1: Thing like this is kind of homophobic. This is you know,
Speaker 1: this is sexist. They don't let women be priests.
Speaker 3: They kind of do, but only sometimes sometimes in Europe.
Speaker 1: It's okay, whatever, and I'm like, no, let's have a
Speaker 1: summ up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's record feel and then put that on a
Speaker 2: one sheet you know what I mean, put it on
Speaker 2: a Google doc.
Speaker 1: Put it on Google doc, and then have lead PR
Speaker 1: and send that out. Yeah, I DPR, get involved, get
Speaker 1: involved and send that out to Conde nasten Hers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People who are religious of any religion YEA like no, no,
Speaker 1: we're are our religions. Okay. With women, I'm like, well
Speaker 1: I've heard some things. Yeah, right, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: It's like we're okay with game for something. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's like if anyone did gymnastics, you know enough,
Speaker 1: like you could you could justify anything. Like I understand
Speaker 1: that people find, you know, a lot of peace and
Speaker 1: solace and you know, community and these types of things.
Speaker 1: But it's like, let's just not pretend they're not what
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, every religion is a structure of structured meaning,
Speaker 2: and then people like seek out meaning in religion and
Speaker 2: then they just have to like reconcile how much of
Speaker 2: themselves is compatible with like that meaning. I'm being so general.
Speaker 2: There actually is.
Speaker 3: A good there's a really good documentary about the Pope Francis,
Speaker 3: who passed away called the man Pope Francis a man
Speaker 3: of his word, and it was interesting because he actually
Speaker 3: did like meet with a lot of different religious world
Speaker 3: leaders about the religion. And I do think that that
Speaker 3: is at the moment we're in world history. Like I
Speaker 3: never talked about it this ship, but like no, but
Speaker 3: like that's what we should do. I think the religion
Speaker 3: should be that because it's like they have more in
Speaker 3: common than not. Yea, yeah, It's like you look at
Speaker 3: all the religions they're arguing with each other. It's like, no, no,
Speaker 3: you all believe the same kind of totally fake thing,
Speaker 3: totally like and no, no, FA was like maybe it's fake,
Speaker 3: maybe it's not, but it's very similar. What you guys
Speaker 3: believe in is very similar. Right, So maybe we'll get
Speaker 3: on the same page about like human rights. I don't know,
Speaker 3: just an idea.
Speaker 1: We have to ask you the question of our podcast.
Speaker 1: We've sort of been dancing around it in several ways,
Speaker 1: I think, But Mike, what was the culture that made
Speaker 1: you say culture was for you?
Speaker 3: Okay, since I already covered my epiphany of auditioning for
Speaker 3: an imprupture, it's the movie Jerremyguire, Oh wow, because when
Speaker 3: it came out I loved it and it made me
Speaker 3: feel a thing. And then I went and studied screenwriting
Speaker 3: at Georgetown and my professor John Glavin taught it like
Speaker 3: it was a text, like it was a book in
Speaker 3: a class. We read the script, we watched the movie,
Speaker 3: we broke down the beats, and I started to understand, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is not magic, and this is not just a
Speaker 3: popcorn movie. No, Like that's the thing. Is like even
Speaker 3: Wickeds another examples, like is a popcorn movie. A lot
Speaker 3: of people pop tickets to it, but it's really meaningful,
Speaker 3: like I cried during it. I cried during Jurream Maguire
Speaker 3: like I take the stigma away from movies that are popular.
Speaker 1: But make you feel something like that's a great feat.
Speaker 1: I I'm so glad you said that. Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: he has formative stuff.
Speaker 2: Formative with dry Maguire one of the one of the
Speaker 2: first movies we got from Blockbuster. I think way too
Speaker 2: young to be watching it. Yeah, sure is watching Tom Cruise,
Speaker 2: fuck Kelly, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yes. I was like, don't ever stop sucking me as
Speaker 1: we stop, and then and then later and then later.
Speaker 3: Post eat like no, no, no, like like eating something strawberry.
Speaker 1: No no, she like disnounced them. She goes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get some fruit.
Speaker 3: It's like a tight, close up, tight sing along Kelly
Speaker 3: Preston so crazy Wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But that movie Mede, Yeah, kind of a perfect movie,
Speaker 1: a perfect man in many ways. And also you know
Speaker 1: what I was just thinking, so many elements come together
Speaker 1: to make it good. Like the song Secret Garden. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, fuck off, I know.
Speaker 3: Y right.
Speaker 1: On the radio, they would play that song with clips
Speaker 1: you had me at Hello. Literally I would be listening
Speaker 1: to like whatever radio station one to six point one
Speaker 1: b L when I was younger, and like they would
Speaker 1: play Secret Garden with Renee doing it. And they also
Speaker 1: did that for Sometimes My Heart Will Go On in
Speaker 1: titan Y. Yeah, there was certain movies they did this with,
Speaker 1: and it was always always those like emotional peaks of
Speaker 1: the movie that created lore. And this is a time too,
Speaker 1: when I feel like soundtracking was speaking to movies in
Speaker 1: such a specific way, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it would like I remember having like the City of
Speaker 1: Angels soundtrack because yeah, you remember the image of her
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan riding the bike with her arms out like this.
Speaker 1: It's like there was that you kind of need music to.
Speaker 1: They still do that. I Barby Barbie was the most significant.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Barbie did that.
Speaker 2: I think, oh that song's great, so good, and so
Speaker 2: many of those songs. But I was gonna say the
Speaker 2: last time that like maybe I'm maybe I'm misremembering this,
Speaker 2: but I feel like with Star is Born, when they
Speaker 2: would play either Shallow or like always remember Us, this
Speaker 2: is the way they would cut in some bits from
Speaker 2: A Star is Born.
Speaker 1: It was like there was a there you could listen to,
Speaker 1: like the radio version of Shallow, or there was like
Speaker 1: a movie version. And you know what you're thinking of
Speaker 1: is at the end when it's I'll Never Fall. They
Speaker 1: sometimes will at the end, she's like singing the last chorus,
Speaker 1: and then they'll cut to him doing it from the
Speaker 1: movie and that way, which is what it is in
Speaker 1: the movie. She doesn't because there's a version of that
Speaker 1: song where she literally just belt her tits off for
Speaker 1: the last remainder of it and it ends like like
Speaker 1: when those ballads does. But then the movie just literally
Speaker 1: cuts to him finishing the song and then it's back
Speaker 1: with her crime. Yeah, it's amazing the.
Speaker 3: Other thing about Jerrey maguire is like it has a
Speaker 3: love story that's not perfect, it's kind of beautiful. It
Speaker 3: is beautiful because you're just like at the end, you go, well,
Speaker 3: maybe they shouldn't be together.
Speaker 1: I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, that's kind of sweet, like they're
Speaker 3: they're taking the leap together.
Speaker 2: Of course, talk about the other kind of unless it's
Speaker 2: hard to capture with language, like talk about the magic
Speaker 2: that you felt watching it growing up, that like was
Speaker 2: dispelled once you got to college.
Speaker 3: The magic was I'm laughing. It's the thing I try
Speaker 3: to achieve in my shows. It's like I'm laughing, I'm crying,
Speaker 3: I'm feeling emotions. And then somehow you just think because
Speaker 3: it's a quote unquote popular movie, popcorn movie, you're just like, well,
Speaker 3: that's not important. Oh, it's so important.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It drives me crazy when cultural things that are great
Speaker 3: are viewed as not important.
Speaker 1: Because snobs come in. Yeah, and you know a great
Speaker 1: example Wicked, the original Broadway production.
Speaker 3: People always say this. They're like, you know, it's been
Speaker 3: running for what twenty years or whatever. It's like the
Speaker 3: first reviews were like snobby. They're like, it's not good
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, actually, let the audiences decide, because
Speaker 3: audiences are crushed by it. Yeah, I am crushed at
Speaker 3: the production of Wicked.
Speaker 1: I'm just like crying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife and I were crying and are you
Speaker 3: know our daughter.
Speaker 1: Was just like great, you know what I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget you. She loved it. She loved it, but
Speaker 1: it's not like that, not like that. Well also because
Speaker 1: not for nothing, but she doesn't understand. She's not old
Speaker 1: enough yet to understand maybe why. It's like, I think
Speaker 1: that young girls obviously respond to that movie because of
Speaker 1: friendship and because of you know, what it feels like
Speaker 1: to feel outcast or to accept someone and to really
Speaker 1: work hard on, you know, proving loyalty and like that. Though,
Speaker 1: all those things are really beautiful, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why young girls love it. But also like when I
Speaker 1: saw with my parents, I took my dad and mom
Speaker 1: to it. I saw it five times as well. I
Speaker 1: daught her, you know bias aside, like I also fucking
Speaker 1: love the movie. And I turned to my dad and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's about fascism, and he was
Speaker 1: like and he just sat there and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is and I think that that is something that's
Speaker 1: like also part of it for an adult man, is
Speaker 1: it's like, wow, like this movie is literally about speaking
Speaker 1: truth to power and paying for it. She she's just
Speaker 1: an example of someone who is not strong enough and
Speaker 1: is not willing to make the sacrifice that she does
Speaker 1: in the end. She does in the end, but in
Speaker 1: the where specifically about that movement, that moment of defying gravity,
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm sorry, I cannot give up up all
Speaker 1: the things that make me me to join you, even
Speaker 1: if I know it's right. And that's that she is
Speaker 1: in process because she's been so protected and the privileged,
Speaker 1: and it's going to take a while, and she's gonna
Speaker 1: have to lose real stuff yes spoiler alert fact too
Speaker 1: for her to do those things. And even then she
Speaker 1: doesn't really do it publicly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that is complicated ship for an adult, and it's
Speaker 1: it is very moving and.
Speaker 3: It's not and by the way, it's not just similar
Speaker 3: to the thing I'm saying. It connects me with Jerry maguire,
Speaker 3: the imperfection, the drawing out of the imperfection of just
Speaker 3: being alive and how nothing is cut and dry.
Speaker 1: And Tom Cruise has never looked better, never looked better. Also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean here's here's what I'll say, Fucking Renee. I
Speaker 1: think Renee is the reason why. It's not even just
Speaker 1: because of her line deliveries, which are spectacular, it's just
Speaker 1: it's an example of perfect casting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they the first kiss thing and he's like snaps
Speaker 3: her bra by accident and he laughs and it's charming.
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise Web. Yeah, I'm gonna watch that tonight. It's perfect.
Speaker 1: You you're you've really.
Speaker 3: Jenny and I have my wife and I Jen's a
Speaker 3: poet and we both have this obsessive thing with movies,
Speaker 3: which is great.
Speaker 1: Movies are like songs.
Speaker 3: It's just what you can watch them over and over again,
Speaker 3: and there's something peaceful about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It changes your parameters as you're consuming this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not lost. I'm wearing wearingis shirt that I got
Speaker 1: a advint. This is one of my favorite movies, Thelma
Speaker 1: and Louise, And it's the same thing, same thing. It's this,
Speaker 1: it's it's and also there's this, which they don't do
Speaker 1: in movies that much anymore, where they'll end it on
Speaker 1: a real curveball that's like, yeah, makes it art, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I feel like there's something
Speaker 1: non traditional and weird about her stopping him in the
Speaker 1: middle of his sentence to be like stop doing the
Speaker 1: proclamation you had me at hello, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And also, like you said, maybe they shouldn't
Speaker 1: be doing this, like the relationship i've been a little toxic.
Speaker 1: But it's like, but they're gonna try anyway. And in
Speaker 1: this movie Thelema and louis obviously spoilers, but if you're
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, you probably understand they choose to die.
Speaker 1: They would rather drive off a cliff no get caught.
Speaker 1: And so I remember when the movie Rock it is
Speaker 1: And also it's just it's not it's clearly ignoring what
Speaker 1: I'm sure our studio notes, you know.
Speaker 3: And by the way, they probably shot it both ways
Speaker 3: and probably exactly they probably shot it without them going
Speaker 3: off the cliff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I don't know, it's a good question. We
Speaker 1: should find that out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, this has made me realize. It's
Speaker 3: like you're saying, like, what's the epiphany thing for me
Speaker 3: in culture? The other one was Maybe Say Anything, which
Speaker 3: is another Cameron Crow movie.
Speaker 1: Because I still say anything.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, and I remember quoting it
Speaker 3: with Michael Kavanaugh, my best friend, like back and forth.
Speaker 1: And doing the this you know that the boom box
Speaker 1: in the air.
Speaker 3: And we were like ten, yeah, I mean, Cameron crow was,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come up here and say, Elizabethtown underrated movie.
Speaker 1: I love Elizabeth, I love this, I love that. I
Speaker 1: think it's so.
Speaker 3: I think Elizabeth towns great. I think almost famous is fantastic.
Speaker 3: Course of course, that's just that's really that's quite a
Speaker 3: good And also he wrote a Fast Times, Oh I wrote,
Speaker 3: didn't direct it. Oh God, I got it. I think
Speaker 3: Fast Times classic classic.
Speaker 1: There's something wasn't Fast Times. Ammy Hackling she directed.
Speaker 2: You Go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that all these movies, it's like there's stuff
Speaker 1: about them that Bowen uses this wonderful word serrates them,
Speaker 1: that makes the memorable like a little bit just literally.
Speaker 2: Just like a little bit askew, so slightly off completely.
Speaker 1: Like even like for example, like even in Clueless, like
Speaker 1: you watch that movie and you see the way they're
Speaker 1: dressed and you think, oh, the early nineties, No, they
Speaker 1: were dressed like badly and stupidly even for that really,
Speaker 1: but it's like, it's like, that's not how they dressed
Speaker 1: at Beverly Hills High School. I don't think, but like,
Speaker 1: but but it's it's over drawn. You remember, you'll you'll
Speaker 1: never forget seeing her in that yellow you know it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Vivian West what it couldn't have, but it
Speaker 1: feels like it. It feels like it speaks in that world.
Speaker 1: I can't say what designer it was, but there's this
Speaker 1: stuff that you go out of your way. You have
Speaker 1: to go out of your way to make it memorable
Speaker 1: and iconic. This to say anything thing, it's like who
Speaker 1: holds a like that doesn't move no one, but but
Speaker 1: it made it iconic drama. It's so good it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then the other ones.
Speaker 3: I mean, like I'm obsess with that whole seventies eighties movies.
Speaker 1: ET is like that, just like I could watch it
Speaker 1: over and over again. It's super emotional.
Speaker 3: You watch ET now, it's like it's an indie film, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, looks like the biggest blocks
Speaker 3: like an Jaws feels like an indie film.
Speaker 1: Oh Jaws is It's unbelievable that that's a huge of
Speaker 1: a blockbuster as it is because of how slow moving
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oho, there's this great story about the director who
Speaker 3: who did Paper Moon, Bugdanovic. We run Peter Baniavitch runs
Speaker 3: into runs into Stielberg at like the Boston like Logan Airport,
Speaker 3: and Steelberg had just shot on Martha's vineyard shot Jaws,
Speaker 3: and he's like, how did it go? And he was
Speaker 3: just like, there's a shark. It's a disaster. We don't
Speaker 3: have the movie. Oh, it's just like one of those
Speaker 3: funny stories where like they leave the movie set thinking
Speaker 3: they don't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, right, right right. They were like, well,
Speaker 1: this was.
Speaker 3: A huge catastrophe, and I think they found it a
Speaker 3: lot in post in editing, and then it changed the
Speaker 3: movie industry. Yeah, I mean we had that. We don't
Speaker 3: think twice to some degree. You know, there's that speech
Speaker 3: where Chris Cathery goes, I think your twenties are about hope.
Speaker 3: In your thirties are about realizing how dumb it was
Speaker 3: to hope. We added that in post because Ira Glass,
Speaker 3: one of our producers, we were watching the movie and
Speaker 3: he goes, the audience doesn't.
Speaker 1: Get when we show cuts to people, they.
Speaker 3: Don't get that they know they're losers or there.
Speaker 1: They know they're under the characters.
Speaker 3: The characters, they know they're underdogs, and so we would
Speaker 3: have a we showed it. We did a screening at
Speaker 3: NPR Downtown and these two these two ladies got up
Speaker 3: and they were like, it was a feedback screening in
Speaker 3: the early cut, and they go, we don't like it,
Speaker 3: and you go, why don't you like it?
Speaker 1: Ira goes, why don't you like it? They lose it
Speaker 1: and what was so funny? We went back to the edit.
Speaker 1: We're like, they're losers.
Speaker 3: They're losers, but like, how come we think it's funny
Speaker 3: that they're losers?
Speaker 1: But they know it? And it's like, oh, we haven't.
Speaker 1: The characters haven't acknowledged it. They know what they are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 3: We're like, what if we shot a scene where they're
Speaker 3: packing up and they're moving out of the theater and
Speaker 3: Chris Cather goes, Your twenties about hoping to thirty is
Speaker 3: about realizing how dumb it was to hope change the
Speaker 3: whole screening every like isn't great? Yeah, but also such
Speaker 3: a smart way to convey all of that. That's a
Speaker 3: lot to communicate, and you did it. All in that
Speaker 3: one and that one scene.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 3: It's a funny thing, like even writing my movie right
Speaker 3: now that I'm writing, it's like you really have to
Speaker 3: toe the line between how much do the characters get
Speaker 3: what's funny about them?
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because like Gilmore Girls is like that super witty right,
Speaker 3: like they're in on it, but they're almost not exactly
Speaker 3: they like they they know that they're codependent or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and yet to what extent yes or something.
Speaker 1: It's like a really interesting thing that you bring up
Speaker 1: that these women like, we don't like the movie because
Speaker 1: they're losers. Because I actually think one of the things
Speaker 1: about Don't Think Twice that shook me to my core
Speaker 1: so much when I watched it, and now I see it,
Speaker 1: I see it now looking back, and I fucking love
Speaker 1: the movie and I appreciate it in a way I
Speaker 1: didn't at the time because I felt so defensive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think your movie Don't Think Twice. It really
Speaker 1: makes you think about yourself, and.
Speaker 2: Especially if you were doing comedy in that time, yeah,
Speaker 2: doing improv and yeah, yeah, like I just.
Speaker 1: Remember thinking, like this is a mean depiction of our community.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that your character, I'm gonna use an
Speaker 1: explicit word that upsets people, but your character calls Tammy
Speaker 1: Sager's character a cunt, and I remember I was just like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe. But now I think that that was
Speaker 1: such a brave, bold thing to do, weirdly enough, because
Speaker 1: it really showed ugliness and envy and in like a
Speaker 1: very abject, painful personal way. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: like anyone that we knew or even us went as
Speaker 1: far or as shallow as any of this. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that, like, it's an incredibly intense situation that you're depicting,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of like being a kid and not
Speaker 1: knowing that the world is bigger when you are confronted
Speaker 1: with what you assume is the only job in the
Speaker 1: world for you and it doesn't go that well, it's
Speaker 1: about everything else. Everything else breaks down. Yeah, And friendship
Speaker 1: is so intense.
Speaker 3: When I was writing that movie, I was hosting A
Speaker 3: Q and A with Noah Bombback for the movie While
Speaker 3: We're Young, I think it was, or maybe it was
Speaker 3: Fans's I Forget, and I said to Mike, I'm writing
Speaker 3: this movie about an improv group and they're best friends.
Speaker 3: One of them gets on SNL and there are some
Speaker 3: don't I go, but the people giving me notes are
Speaker 3: like the stakes aren't high enough. He goes, I know,
Speaker 3: it's the funny thing because it depicted, you know, indicative
Speaker 3: of all of his movies.
Speaker 1: He goes, there's no stakes higher than friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, as we just sit here and just
Speaker 1: say the word yeah fifty times. But it's I want
Speaker 1: this to.
Speaker 3: Be our engagement of a deeper friendship between the three
Speaker 3: of us. Yes, because I feel like whenever I see
Speaker 3: you guys, whenever we run into each other, it's like,
Speaker 3: I think there's love. There is, but I'm like, we
Speaker 3: should spend more time together. Well you you.
Speaker 1: Are good with the gays. Oh yeah, the gaze. You know.
Speaker 1: He is old friends with Jordan Ardino really Gilmore girls. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is high school and college friends. Yeah really Massachusetts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in California, California to Massachusetts. Yeah yeah, yeah, Jordan's amazing.
Speaker 1: There's a great writer. He's a great writer. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He and I were that in That's great same screen
Speaker 3: writing class in college.
Speaker 1: Oh really, we were close friends.
Speaker 3: In high school and then he came to visit me
Speaker 3: when I was in college. He was at Tough and
Speaker 3: then he was just like, I just want to go here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so he transfer. We went to college together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where we wanted to go to Georgetown. A lot
Speaker 1: of not hugs. That's a lot of that's a really
Speaker 1: number thirty. I don't want to go to Georgetown. That's
Speaker 1: a lot of hugs. I would say.
Speaker 3: I don't want to speak for Jordany, but I think
Speaker 3: I can say there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of It's a lot of, man, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of enough hugs. You and I both well, we
Speaker 1: don't have to bring in that's nothing. I don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about in what you.
Speaker 3: Necessarily I was going to say, you and I you
Speaker 3: not got very different amounts of hugs growing up. I
Speaker 3: would say, well, it's funny at.
Speaker 1: The same school. Yeah, n y U was different. But
Speaker 1: I think we're I think we were both there for
Speaker 1: different trauma. That's not related to hugging or not hugging.
Speaker 1: But I think that something that's so clear is like,
Speaker 1: it's good that you hug your daughter a lot. And
Speaker 1: I don't want you to think about because I think
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're teaching her what real love is,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people have and something I don't
Speaker 1: think I understand because I'm privileged to genuinely know what
Speaker 1: real love is because my parents have always shown me
Speaker 1: real love and have always been very good with me
Speaker 1: in terms of that is a lot of people just
Speaker 1: don't baseline know that. They don't baseline know what it
Speaker 1: really is to be cared for and to have someone
Speaker 1: at the end of the day that's going to say
Speaker 1: I love you. And I think that I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that was such a privilege, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: until until I was you know, having like conflicts with
Speaker 1: people later in life, or you know, things work out,
Speaker 1: don't work out whatever with different people, and you're just realizing, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm operating with a different emotional deck. Yeah, thank god, No,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 3: It's funny when you, yeah, if you get into like
Speaker 3: a petty disagreement with somebody and sometimes they go so
Speaker 3: hard on it and you and you have to step
Speaker 3: back and just be like, no, no, we're all just
Speaker 3: doing our best, right, you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with you, Like it's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's definitely more better to love more than less.
Speaker 2: Right, And even in the moments in the special, I'll
Speaker 2: say where you're like a huge part of my life
Speaker 2: is going to children's birthday parties.
Speaker 1: I get two hundred three hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like ooh, I can grow up and hear
Speaker 2: that and think, oh, like my dad is making is
Speaker 2: like exasperated by this thing that he had to do
Speaker 2: for me, and he's like, is that something resentful? But no,
Speaker 2: even in that, you're like, I do this. I show
Speaker 2: up for my daughter, right, and it's this thing that
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: Joke about hating because it'll make this room full of
Speaker 3: people and adults laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah she can.
Speaker 2: I think it is so clear with that messages to her,
Speaker 2: which is my dad loves me.
Speaker 1: He takes me to these birthday parties. Yes, show up.
Speaker 3: I had to talk through a joke with her the
Speaker 3: other day that in the special, because it's going to
Speaker 3: be seen by a lot of people, and you know,
Speaker 3: I had to be like.
Speaker 1: Because there's a joke, I say, doesn't have it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that explain that to that because I remember listening to it.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's it. That's a that's a
Speaker 1: pretty rough So I said.
Speaker 3: To her, I go, there's this joke and I say,
Speaker 3: we went to my wife and I went to our
Speaker 3: daughter's vallet recital, and we're in the audience crying, crying
Speaker 3: because she doesn't have it. You know.
Speaker 1: I go, no, we're crying because she's not going.
Speaker 3: Dollar on the lessons and hundreds of hours going to
Speaker 3: rehearsal and she's not going prop And then I go,
Speaker 3: I go, no, No, We're crying for the right reasons.
Speaker 3: And then afterwards I'm squeezing out. You know, you were
Speaker 3: so fantastic. And she said to me, it's true to life.
Speaker 3: She goes, Dad, you would say it was fantastic even
Speaker 3: if I wasn't a fan past that.
Speaker 1: I said, that is so true.
Speaker 3: You're so much better at logic than you are at ballehet, right,
Speaker 3: I got, I didn't I.
Speaker 1: Left out that last part.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say that too when she's fifteen and
Speaker 3: she tells me I'm garbage, and I'm gonna say I
Speaker 3: had some candid thoughts about you as well when you
Speaker 3: were seven that I withheld out of respect.
Speaker 1: But I did share with a group of strangers at
Speaker 1: the Beacon Theater.
Speaker 3: But I explained it to Una in relation to I go,
Speaker 3: sometimes jokes are something that is true, and then something
Speaker 3: that is the opposite of true or completely not true
Speaker 3: or a variation on true. And the show the special
Speaker 3: that I wrote is a series of things where it's
Speaker 3: like true, not true, true, not true, true, silly true, silly.
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the movie or at
Speaker 3: the end I have sometimes a complation with movies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at the end of the show, it lands untrue. And
Speaker 3: because it lends untrue, I think the audience knows, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: this person's in earnest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the true thing about this special is the way
Speaker 2: a parent loves their chime.
Speaker 3: Yes yeah, and understanding my dad and after he's had
Speaker 3: a stroke and realizing when his defenses are down and
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the anger that he had before the stroke,
Speaker 3: that I do think like he meant well.
Speaker 1: Of course, that is a whole can of worms, because
Speaker 1: especially because you know, men as they get older and
Speaker 1: the estrogen creep up, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's they get more emotional. I think they get more contemplative,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just harder for men to look
Speaker 1: back on being men. Yeah, like, because so much of
Speaker 1: it is just not cruel, but it's rough and it's
Speaker 1: speaking to this idea of what a man is, which
Speaker 1: can never really be justified in the way that we
Speaker 1: accepted it for such a long time. But I think
Speaker 1: that's really hard for men as they get older, as
Speaker 1: they look back, and they they have regrets about trying
Speaker 1: to attain that idea of what it means to be
Speaker 1: a man and no absolutely and all those things. And
Speaker 1: I've had a couple emotional conversations with my dad about,
Speaker 1: you know, one time, it was after we taped my
Speaker 1: special and he was expressing I think we had a
Speaker 1: few drinks and he was expressing some regrets about you
Speaker 1: know whatever, like like having a gay son and not
Speaker 1: feeling like you didn't get it right. And I had
Speaker 1: to like tell him, I was like, you got to
Speaker 1: let yourself off the hook, because nothing you ever did
Speaker 1: was because you didn't love me. You were trying your
Speaker 1: best and like, and it is a moment that I think,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm obviously very happy I had and I and
Speaker 1: I will can continue to have because of that moment.
Speaker 1: But it's really hard, like men relating to each other
Speaker 1: in that type of way. That's why I think it's
Speaker 1: so beautiful that like you have that like open channel
Speaker 1: with your with your child, because it's like it takes
Speaker 1: some people really long time. And I always heard I
Speaker 1: love you from my dad. I always heard proud of you,
Speaker 1: always heard those things. But it's just it's just in
Speaker 1: like as as men get older, like it can be
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to have those types of conversations, like even just
Speaker 1: when you put your hand on his shoulder and rub
Speaker 1: his shoulder like that probably took a lot lot, yeah,
Speaker 1: but but those are really those are so important because
Speaker 1: what if Because what if you didn't you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we talked about that when you were on
Speaker 3: my podcast a lot with your parents, because you had
Speaker 3: the challenging stuff, which I really hope you should do
Speaker 3: a solo show someday.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yeah, that's there. There's there's definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean I did even do it underground, so such
Speaker 2: a jumbled mess of a show. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what I was trying to do with it, but uh,
Speaker 2: there's there's something there for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just I'm still making sense of it and we're
Speaker 2: still talking about it as as a family, and it's
Speaker 2: all it's all okay, it's all it's all true.
Speaker 1: Do they say I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: Now they do, do they now they do? But it
Speaker 2: took them a while and and they came to the
Speaker 2: show a few weeks ago, and just I took them
Speaker 2: out for Mother's Day and a lovely we have a
Speaker 2: we have a lovely time.
Speaker 1: Now. I also want to say your show was not
Speaker 1: a mess. You were just you. It was not a mess.
Speaker 1: You were just in process on you were so in
Speaker 1: process and the feelings. It's kind of like what we
Speaker 1: were saying last week about like Marsha P. Johnson not
Speaker 1: having correct recollection of Stonewall because she was Stonewall. It's
Speaker 1: like you were literally going on. I was the pit.
Speaker 1: You were all those experiences and emotions at the time.
Speaker 1: So it's of course you weren't going to create like
Speaker 1: you know what, especially you with a high bar for yourself,
Speaker 1: feels like cohesive salient to art about this thing that
Speaker 1: you were like enduring.
Speaker 2: That was me squarely in the zone of what I
Speaker 2: here Glass talks about, which is there's that gap between
Speaker 2: like the case that you have and like what you
Speaker 2: can accomplish as someone who makes things.
Speaker 1: And so anyway, when I.
Speaker 3: Remember doing a completely messy version of Sleepwalk, with me
Speaker 3: my first solo show, which eventually years later was on
Speaker 3: Off Broadway and Nathan Lane presented it, and it was
Speaker 3: just a really beautiful thing that I was lucky enough
Speaker 3: to do the movie and I remade the movie and
Speaker 3: it was it was But the first versions of it
Speaker 3: at UCB were so rough because it was like me
Speaker 3: just being like, here, here's this breakup I had, and like, like,
Speaker 3: the emotions are so raw and I've been sleepwalking and
Speaker 3: it's a metaphor for this, Like I was so on
Speaker 3: the nose. And then I remember like the artistic director
Speaker 3: at the time pulled me aside and he was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I think you should see Dimitri Martin's show, like you
Speaker 3: should do more like jokes.
Speaker 1: Was this Anthony King who was that I.
Speaker 3: Can say he's a great guy Owned Burke and I
Speaker 3: feel like we've talked about since He's like you figured
Speaker 3: it out, yeah, But it was funny like sometimes when
Speaker 3: you were in the wilderness artistically, like it's not because
Speaker 3: you're not going at the right thing like I was
Speaker 3: going at like I want to make an emotional show, but.
Speaker 1: Also I hadn't figured out the joke side of it.
Speaker 3: I haven't figured to your nice thing you were saying
Speaker 3: about my show is how it's like silences and then
Speaker 3: jokes and then serious moments and then.
Speaker 1: Jokes like I didn't figured that out yet, Sure's I'm
Speaker 1: also like, I'm really feeling very seen by you talking
Speaker 1: about like and like true false true false true false,
Speaker 1: and then it ends on a false or true, like
Speaker 1: my special the one I've done ends on a false,
Speaker 1: and I think it's and I'm so happy about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that being said, like, I do think that that's one
Speaker 1: extension of myself and I want so badly to say
Speaker 1: something real and true about myself, but it's the hardest
Speaker 1: thing to do. I think that's why you had strife
Speaker 1: with it all those years ago, doing that, because you
Speaker 1: were deeply trying to say something true about yourself, which
Speaker 1: is fucking hard, especially when you're at like a comedy festival,
Speaker 1: but yet also tasked with like this thing of like
Speaker 1: this is a solo show, an opportunity that you're being given, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like, I think we all want to be poignant,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't always happen. Right. If there's a question
Speaker 1: here that I'm saying is it's like how uncomfortable is
Speaker 1: your process very uncomfortable. Yeah, like like every step of
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 3: Like some nights I'm on stage and I'm like, like,
Speaker 3: there's that moment in the show where I go, I
Speaker 3: didn't have a sex talk when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: but when I was twelve, I had hard nipples.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and suddenly you're exposed out there with your hard
Speaker 1: nipples again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I go, exactly right, And so I go,
Speaker 3: I tell my dad because I thought I was a
Speaker 3: hypochondriac as a kid, and so I tell my dad
Speaker 3: like I think I have cancer.
Speaker 1: Right, He's like, take your shirt off. We're in like
Speaker 1: my living room. It's like a truth, completely true story.
Speaker 3: What's weird, Actually, I'll tell you the very I'll tell
Speaker 3: you the variation on it is like I had to
Speaker 3: take this part out. It wasn't in the living room,
Speaker 3: it was in his bedroom. But it was so weird
Speaker 3: because the audience was reading. It's like always got to
Speaker 3: get les. Yeah right, you had to walk them away
Speaker 3: from the right I got. So he was like, take
Speaker 3: your shirt off in the living room, take me shut
Speaker 3: off and he felt my hard, hard nipples and I
Speaker 3: go and I go, and it was nice, you know,
Speaker 3: there wasn't a lot of physical affection the family.
Speaker 1: You were being reassured by a doctor and your father.
Speaker 3: So the first few times, exactly the first few times
Speaker 3: I said it, first forty times I said it, I
Speaker 3: was just like, this is so uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I even had people like in my inner circle creatively
Speaker 3: be like they got the nipples part, because you do
Speaker 3: get that sometimes where even people who are close to
Speaker 3: what your process is or like I think the audience
Speaker 3: is not here for that.
Speaker 1: But then you got sometimes you just gotta be like, no,
Speaker 1: this is like.
Speaker 3: This has happened, because fully happened is like part of
Speaker 3: the story I'm telling.
Speaker 2: But what you're saying with like sleepwalk with me like
Speaker 2: you were you were in the wilderness. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: process in general for anybody is just ay a wilderness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm the movie I'm writing right now in
Speaker 1: the wilderness. Great. Yeah, it's all part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think something too, And I think I often when
Speaker 1: we have like music artists in this chair too, this
Speaker 1: question comes up, and also with reality stars or anyone
Speaker 1: that's like exposing the part of themselves, which is obviously
Speaker 1: anyone in that chair probably is. I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever really understood the stakes of what happens when you
Speaker 1: involve a depiction of someone else in your life, and
Speaker 1: that is what trips me up sometimes. It is really
Speaker 1: hard for me to think if I say this thing
Speaker 1: about myself, I'm saying this thing about someone else, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that's unfortunately if you're someone that wants
Speaker 1: to create work and art, like, it's probably the ugly stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's not just outly
Speaker 1: stuff about you, it's ugly stuff about people you probably
Speaker 1: care about or don't ever want to talk to you again.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's never someone in the middle, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like I either really care
Speaker 1: about this person and therefore they're worthwhile including or this
Speaker 1: person but even believe.
Speaker 3: Is that Like I had people in my life come
Speaker 3: up to me and be like I'm the character and
Speaker 3: don't think twice.
Speaker 1: Who's the rich girl? Like yeah, No, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're the gilly.
Speaker 3: And sometimes they wrong, they're wrong.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it guess wrong.
Speaker 3: My parents saw Sleepwalk with Me the movie Yeah and
Speaker 3: Carol Canon James Redhorn as my parents say these lines
Speaker 3: that literally my parents said in real life, and my
Speaker 3: and I was worried about my parents seeing it, and
Speaker 3: they came out of the movie and they go, they're
Speaker 3: nothing like us.
Speaker 1: Mmmm somehow like we can't even see ourselves. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you never can. Yeah, only you have the real bibliography
Speaker 1: on your experiences with them because you saw it. They
Speaker 1: didn't see it. They were it right.
Speaker 2: Right, But either like someone comes up to you and
Speaker 2: like validates or like I don't know, like entrenches those
Speaker 2: things even more where you were like, oh, I like
Speaker 2: had it was a huge decision to include you in
Speaker 2: some way in this like depiction of reality, or it's
Speaker 2: your parents being like it wasn't that was enough. It's
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's like you can't really even win
Speaker 2: with that there. It never goes the way you want
Speaker 2: it to.
Speaker 1: You guys have a.
Speaker 3: Lucky thing, I think, which is your close friends and
Speaker 3: you have like a creative partnership with this show.
Speaker 1: I think is so lovely because you get to.
Speaker 3: Share that people like I love the show, like everyone,
Speaker 3: like I know tons of people love the show. It's
Speaker 3: like you guys get that together, which I think is
Speaker 3: not less lonely. I think we're very fortunate and being
Speaker 3: a lone wolf I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: You really didn't do it alone? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like like I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't have my own podcast where I was just
Speaker 2: kind of riffing on culture and then commenting.
Speaker 1: On things and then like.
Speaker 2: Like I like you're always my gut check in terms
Speaker 2: of like do I share this little anecdote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's it's kind of nice to like it.
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting because because we're also so close
Speaker 1: like that we we have this, we protect the same
Speaker 1: things pretty much. But also like in terms of like
Speaker 1: the sharing of it all, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's also like you can never I can, we
Speaker 1: can never give everything about like about everything. But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying is it's like it's that's I
Speaker 1: think that's like why they don't think twice of it all.
Speaker 1: It just recalls such a specific era that like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a trumpa of course today, but I
Speaker 1: think that's why I love it now.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, like I wanted to live your life like I
Speaker 3: when I was at Georgetown, I was like saying to
Speaker 3: my parents, I want to transfer to n y U
Speaker 3: and be a theater huh, and they're like, no, you
Speaker 3: know when.
Speaker 2: I got all you got a full net? Well good,
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's good.
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted to be someone else exact literally still does.
Speaker 1: But I remember, like I was in school at M
Speaker 1: y U and I wanted to be doing something else.
Speaker 1: Everyone's always like, I'm sure you because I was pre mad.
Speaker 1: Of course I was, but I was doing improv, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like I wanted to be something else.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I wanted to be like
Speaker 1: I would. I would be like I want to go
Speaker 1: to Boston an audition for commercials? Yeah, like fuck, no,
Speaker 1: Boston audition for what the commercial auditioning is that you
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is. It's like, he looks
Speaker 1: at the camera and half smirks. It's like, that's the audition.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into rooms and do bite and
Speaker 1: smile exactly, smile smile. Have you ever done a Biden smile? No,
Speaker 1: I've never done. You want to see a stip and smile?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And that was probably too big skill can be noted,
Speaker 1: is that that was something else? Perfectly? Did you ever
Speaker 1: book a commercial? I'm trying to think.
Speaker 3: I think I was a spokesperson for like a cable
Speaker 3: and internet company in the South for a while.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah they're not. I don't love it. I
Speaker 1: don't love it. I don't love it. I kind of
Speaker 1: wish you didn't. So he has fine, it's fine. Straight
Speaker 1: up commercial. I never did a straight up commercial.
Speaker 2: I went to one commercial audition because like someone at
Speaker 2: ECB was like, yeah, I'm going, I'm going on this
Speaker 2: thing if you want to come, And it was so humiliating.
Speaker 1: It was really impossible to leave feeling good. And you've become.
Speaker 2: Straight and I've become straight, and I never thought that happened.
Speaker 3: But Jordan Neardina texted me last night just crying, laughing
Speaker 3: at the boat inside.
Speaker 1: It's the only It's the only one I can barely watch.
Speaker 1: For some reason. When I watched him make up with women,
Speaker 1: I have I have an outrage. Why are you? I
Speaker 1: don't like it? I want you.
Speaker 3: A game that gets me is her showing up at
Speaker 3: your place and you're playing video games two in the morning.
Speaker 1: It's so well, by the way, that's I'm then hiding
Speaker 1: in the last cool threes. So sure, and honestly it is.
Speaker 1: It is my favorite sketch because it's clearly it's it's
Speaker 1: like but it's just like we were watching it. We
Speaker 1: were in his dressing room for the finale, and you
Speaker 1: were watching it with us in the room.
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, I want to surprise Matt with
Speaker 3: the lostchol Trees to sure.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see it so fun. And then he
Speaker 1: comes in making out with sorry, Check's notes, Scarlet Johansen
Speaker 1: and I just go like, I scream like it's a
Speaker 1: horror movie. I'm like, I can't believe it. Like maybe it's.
Speaker 3: Because Colch is gonna have a twenty twenty five because
Speaker 3: it's Lost Culture Awards too. That's right, So it's in
Speaker 3: that sketch it's Lost Culture Award.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be huge. Yeah, I mean we're we're putting
Speaker 1: it together now and it's gonna be it's gonna be something.
Speaker 1: Culture is Award. You campaign huge. I'm gonna campaign. What
Speaker 1: can I do?
Speaker 3: What can I do to campaign? Did you guys have
Speaker 3: a strategy? Hen strategize with me. We can strate yet
Speaker 3: strategy to do a step one Best dat Award. I'm
Speaker 3: a brainstorming category was a Daddy Award and the Father Award.
Speaker 3: Daddy word Father Award and the Daddy Award was won
Speaker 3: by Pedro Mascal.
Speaker 2: The Father Award was uh who who won the father
Speaker 2: Award last year?
Speaker 1: And he wasn't Seth Myers. It wasn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think you have to campaign necessary. I think
Speaker 2: being on this episode of campaign like you're absolutely top
Speaker 2: of mind with special and with the listeners being and
Speaker 2: then you're in the mix of y Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like this was an amazing six
Speaker 1: straight man to have.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is this straight mail. Yes, straight is huge.
Speaker 2: It's the deep honor. It's six. It's not eight. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not eight. It's six or seven. And we're not listening.
Speaker 2: We don't want to make a big thing out of this,
Speaker 2: but but it's a big dealer.
Speaker 1: Gays, do you feel like gays come up to you
Speaker 1: on the street they're like, hey girl. I think I
Speaker 1: get a lot of gays impression.
Speaker 3: I think, like the thing that's hilarious about my audience
Speaker 3: is sometimes when people come up to me there and
Speaker 3: it's like it's like some like para shaped middle aged
Speaker 3: ogre dad.
Speaker 1: It's just like I totally relate to everything. He's like,
Speaker 1: come on, I want that. I love the dad.
Speaker 3: I know, but sometimes wouldn't it be great if someone
Speaker 3: came up to you and they're so hot? Like I
Speaker 3: totally relate to everything you say. It's just like my
Speaker 3: pilates class. That's why we have the Kyles. Now we
Speaker 3: have we have a new subsect of a fan community
Speaker 3: called the Kyles. And sometimes the Kyle will come up
Speaker 3: and I just can't believe that they almost drop their
Speaker 3: weight to the gym.
Speaker 1: They laughed so hard exactly, which is what they say.
Speaker 2: They say sometimes, so you should, you should come up
Speaker 2: with your own buckets of of your fans like like
Speaker 2: like like really visualize the person, give them a name
Speaker 2: and then and then you will start to see them.
Speaker 1: But you know what it is. It is Katie. You
Speaker 1: have a ton of Katies. Yes, yeah, Katie's is twenty
Speaker 1: eight year old twenty eight to thirty five year old
Speaker 1: communications major from the Midwest name Katie. They're all named Katie. Okay,
Speaker 1: so asking them their names.
Speaker 3: So I'm most proud of with my audience is I
Speaker 3: always say like it's age twelve through one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 3: Like when I see THEE I was gonna say, you
Speaker 3: are really for a quadrant. Whereas we are people who
Speaker 3: are constantly approached by men and go, my girlfriend loves you,
Speaker 3: which is so sweet. But also it's never like I'm
Speaker 3: a fan, which which is okay.
Speaker 1: You know what, though, a lot of them, I've been
Speaker 1: noticing because they're they're excited to initiate the conversation because
Speaker 1: their girlfriends are nervous, and but they come up and
Speaker 1: they initiate the conversation, and I can tell it gets
Speaker 1: them laid. So they're so excited, and that I think
Speaker 1: will make them listen. Yeah, because I think, and you know,
Speaker 1: some of them they want to be shy about how
Speaker 1: much they know, because, as I said, masculinity is hard
Speaker 1: to deal with when you're still I guess, like you know,
Speaker 1: when it's all ahead of you still. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: don't be shy, boys, It's okay to like lost culch.
Speaker 1: It's okay, that's right. Look, luc who's here.
Speaker 3: You know who's great at A great straight male who
Speaker 3: will all often say how much he loves the show,
Speaker 3: John ham will Steven, writer of Bonus Straight but sometimes
Speaker 3: with August right, that's a real ally.
Speaker 1: We love you. Well, okay, it's time for I don't
Speaker 1: think something we're gonna go first, did you type it out?
Speaker 1: So we wing in here? I have something that you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize was a thing until last night. I
Speaker 1: was at dinner and I was made aware. And this
Speaker 1: is rock my world. I can't wait to go after
Speaker 1: restaurant culture here. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: When mocktails are almost as expensive or as expensive as cocktails,
Speaker 1: I am not even a part of the sober community.
Speaker 1: And I am outraged on behalf of the sober community
Speaker 1: because let me tell you what the expensive part of
Speaker 1: a cocktail is the alcohol. So why for grenadine, orange juice?
Speaker 1: Bitterers maybe and like a little bit of soda water?
Speaker 1: Am I paying twelve dollars? I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. I also want to directly
Speaker 1: say where this is happening, which is where I have
Speaker 1: my new home, Lower Manhattan. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: This is a lot of you guys. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you know a rock you had a fourteen dollars mocktail,
Speaker 1: and I don't care how big the orange is. I
Speaker 1: know because I'll tell you, what's only a couple bucks
Speaker 1: in an orange? A whole thing. So I don't care
Speaker 1: that the slice is that big. Yes, you made it
Speaker 1: look expensive. That's so different than being expensive. I mean,
Speaker 1: for example, I could walk in here wearing a white suit.
Speaker 1: I'm not Zendea or Anasy. At the medgala, they cost
Speaker 1: a million dollars. I cast six. I don't think so
Speaker 1: harm and that's women. You are more than six dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what, though, not not really, And I'm
Speaker 1: saying that like these these cocktails in Monck's infuriating. It's infuriating.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I feel like they are maybe offsetting
Speaker 2: that by like no, actually there's no explanation.
Speaker 1: I'm only and you know what. It's like, It's like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The alcoholics don't miss paying for
Speaker 1: the alcohol, right, okay, So it's like they might miss
Speaker 1: the alcohol, they can't have it. They're not missing the prices.
Speaker 1: Is not like, oh, you know what, I really miss
Speaker 1: hitting it hard and paying nine dollars for a Heineken.
Speaker 1: You know what would be great nine bucks for a
Speaker 1: Heineken zero, which is essentially piss.
Speaker 3: They should be like, here's an orange juice and an edible.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen dollars dollars. Yeah, really good ideas.
Speaker 1: Give you something else, yeah yeah, or it's but you
Speaker 1: know what it's like, what would that even be? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like they also, I guess you know
Speaker 1: what they try to get away with. They're using the
Speaker 1: nice glass wear too. Yeah, but you don't kid for that. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no, that's not part of the experience. Or
Speaker 1: you get to keep it. You get to keep it
Speaker 1: like a souvenir glass. Yeah, yeah, okay. I used to
Speaker 1: be big into souveneur glass culture. And then I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. You have a lot of huge cups you
Speaker 1: never drink out of. Yeah, because that's really what I
Speaker 1: a on a shelf. Maroon mug. That's totally that. That's
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: But wait, I want to just talk Maru mag and
Speaker 2: you're talking about LA like you always struck me as
Speaker 2: pure New York but I am, I am. But you
Speaker 2: do have this this really good world and worldliness about
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: I just like been you know, I've been in show
Speaker 3: business for like what twenty three years, and so you
Speaker 3: just you know, where go back and forth and and
Speaker 3: you know, I have my spots.
Speaker 1: I like those Felas Marou. I mean I have places
Speaker 1: I really like aspirational. Yeah yeah, despirational it is.
Speaker 3: But you are in New York, Okay, Yeah, No, I'm
Speaker 3: through and through New York. I can't imagine living anywhere else.
Speaker 3: I saw this Adam Got Next Solo show the other day,
Speaker 3: and he has this beautiful piece where he talks about
Speaker 3: how his favorite place on the planet is Central Park
Speaker 3: because it's just this place where everyone is in like
Speaker 3: a social pact to be like, we're gonna come to
Speaker 3: this place that's completely manufactured and completely fake, but there's
Speaker 3: beautiful trees and beautiful statues and everyone. There's no premium
Speaker 3: pricing for a different part of the park. We're all
Speaker 3: just at the goddamn Central.
Speaker 1: Park and it's great. It's like that I love New York.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like and I have frustrations with it,
Speaker 3: of course, but also you know, look, we're all in it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny coming back to New York and being
Speaker 1: like a New Yorker again too, because the first thing
Speaker 1: that happens is you start to be real opinionated about
Speaker 1: New York. Ship. I am ready to crack skulls about
Speaker 1: the subway by the way, like I'll get up my
Speaker 1: one time, I'll get political. I can't believe Cuomo is
Speaker 1: this far ahead. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking in even
Speaker 1: following that race? Is he ahead? Oh sixty forty? Oh
Speaker 1: really yeah?
Speaker 2: But like I think it's just it's just name recognition.
Speaker 2: Is what's kind of it's name recognition.
Speaker 1: I've got, I've got I've got a frivolous one frivilla. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's a good dragon.
Speaker 3: That's a great technically, No, this is what I wanted
Speaker 3: to say, the only good dragon that I've come up with.
Speaker 2: And this is what I wanted to say, the most
Speaker 2: annoying sentence in the world. This is what I wanted
Speaker 2: to say. At the end of my Criterion Closet video.
Speaker 2: My drag name would be Janis Films. Okay, oh, Janie Films.
Speaker 1: I just opened my calculator instead of my timer ten
Speaker 1: million I want or like I just added five million,
Speaker 1: five million.
Speaker 3: You were just brainswimming what Kevin Hart makes movie seven figure?
Speaker 3: It was like, it's probably this.
Speaker 2: This is Bowen Yang's don't think of honey, his time
Speaker 2: starts now. I don't think so, honey. Do you guys
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about? Plastic hooks on gift bags
Speaker 2: that you purchase at the gift store. You buy a
Speaker 2: little paper gift bag and there's a plastic thing to
Speaker 2: make it hook. You cannot take that off, even with
Speaker 2: all the gorilla's strength in the world, even when there's
Speaker 2: a perforated little thing there that mocks you because you
Speaker 2: try to tear it off, it's not coming off. Now,
Speaker 2: you got to get a damn pair of scissors, Like
Speaker 2: I have the time in ninety second to find scissors
Speaker 2: to trim off this little plastic hook thing so that
Speaker 2: I can actually make it presentable to you, so that
Speaker 2: you don't receive my gift and see the plastic cook
Speaker 2: and the first thought you have is of me sliding
Speaker 2: it off a.
Speaker 1: Little paper source.
Speaker 2: Please find a better way to hang gift bags, maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, by these string handles that are already
Speaker 2: on them. Rather than put a useless single use plastic,
Speaker 2: might I add element to these things?
Speaker 1: And that's one minute? Wow? Really clean? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I'm talking
Speaker 1: We do. I don't. I didn't even know. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that they were four hanging. Really I kind of
Speaker 1: thought it was one of those just annoying things about
Speaker 1: like there's no classic.
Speaker 3: Single used plastic sneak attack because it doesn't even seem
Speaker 3: like it's part of it.
Speaker 1: No, it's like that thing is going to go in
Speaker 1: a landfill for it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's never it's it's or it'll go to our brains.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, you know, what's also crazy when
Speaker 2: you go to CVS and get a receipt like just
Speaker 2: talk just crazy to talk about how much how much
Speaker 2: room it takes off or like how much you don't
Speaker 2: need it. It's like those receipts are still it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm just gonna throw this out. And they don't
Speaker 1: even give you the option to have the receipts. And
Speaker 1: I feel like with these things, it's like what is
Speaker 1: the what is it?
Speaker 3: It's weird, Like I think in our lifetime it has
Speaker 3: been this thing where we're like we're going to recycle,
Speaker 3: We're going to save the planet to like the planets fucked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not trying, And it's such a bummer. I've
Speaker 1: never been angrier than I feel comfortable saying this. A
Speaker 1: few years ago, we were on Fire Island and a
Speaker 1: friend of ours had a new boyfriend and this, and
Speaker 1: he walks back to us. We're sitting at the canteen
Speaker 1: and he comes back and he goes the gaze at
Speaker 1: the at the at the the docks were so annoying.
Speaker 1: Guess what just happened? And he goes what he goes,
Speaker 1: I threw my plastic cup in the bay and they
Speaker 1: yelled at me like we were like, excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 1: And the guy goes, yeah, like I was done with
Speaker 1: my drink and I threw my plastic cup in the
Speaker 1: bay and they all yelled at me. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: the planet is dying already. And then our friend goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy? And I had to walk away. I
Speaker 1: was like, I know love is blind, I know, dick
Speaker 1: feel good and whole. But no, they did break up.
Speaker 1: Thank god, my god.
Speaker 3: That was That was a moment where I had check
Speaker 3: my respect for someone proudly proudly being a litter bug
Speaker 3: is nuts.
Speaker 1: I hate littering. It drives me nuts. And also like,
Speaker 1: you know there's the fish in there, the fish. You
Speaker 1: know that, you know there's a fishing well, it's what
Speaker 1: he said. They're gonna die anyway. Oh God, okay kill
Speaker 1: me then I'm on my way out at some point
Speaker 1: that that is actually textbook.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to get a little academic here. This is
Speaker 2: n YU maybe, and I think they taught this at
Speaker 2: Georgetown as well, metabolic rift theory, where it's it's the
Speaker 2: human disconnect between the disconnect between between man and nature,
Speaker 2: and it makes use. It makes it so that you
Speaker 2: don't understand that this came from something and that you
Speaker 2: throwing it at the window or throwing it into the
Speaker 2: water is actually the reason why you are broken as
Speaker 2: a person and why literally the phrase touch grass is
Speaker 2: important because you need to connect to that anyway. Microbiglia,
Speaker 2: you have a written I don't think so, honey, and
Speaker 2: we are very and there's a reason for this.
Speaker 1: See it at the end.
Speaker 2: You'll see because it could have been on your phone,
Speaker 2: is micro Bigles, I don't think so many and as
Speaker 2: time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. Hating on people who try hard, Literally,
Speaker 3: everyone good at anything tries hard, you know, tries hard?
Speaker 1: Tailor you who else? Beyonce? You know who else? Reygun
Speaker 1: the breakdanswer, I'm.
Speaker 3: More suspicious of people who don't try hard, or people
Speaker 3: who lie and say they're not trying hard when they are.
Speaker 3: If someone does something amazing and they say it was easy,
Speaker 3: be suspicious. Not only are they lying about it, they
Speaker 3: also committed crime. Remember when Anne Hathaway and James Franco
Speaker 3: bombed so hard hosting the OS.
Speaker 1: James Franco just left.
Speaker 3: He's a loser and I'm hashtag team anne Hathaway, your hand, Hathaway.
Speaker 1: You know who else tries hard?
Speaker 3: Fontine and lay mish Cy Andrea Saxony.
Speaker 1: Where's God working? From? Her? Intofreest is hard?
Speaker 3: She has to show up to work every day, sacrificing
Speaker 3: a relationship with Adrian Gray is character Nate, who I
Speaker 3: think is a chef but never has to go to
Speaker 3: work for the reason that's never explained. I'm reaching the
Speaker 3: end of my minute, but I want you to know
Speaker 3: this is my fifth draft of this.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm telling you, because if you're a
Speaker 1: fellow try hard, you deserve to know. Yeah, that's one minute,
Speaker 1: really good, and you know what, You're right? And I
Speaker 1: never liked Nate and Devilworth. I never liked this.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Outrageous, character outrageous. And this is the thing,
Speaker 2: this is I'm gonna misquote Dorian Gray. But the people
Speaker 2: who are not in the arena don't know the pleasures
Speaker 2: of don't don't know the triumphs, and so therefore how
Speaker 2: could they know anything about defeat or something like.
Speaker 1: That, you know what it is? Yes? And also it's
Speaker 1: just like it's like you talking about your hard nipples
Speaker 1: on stage or having strife, emotional strife about being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: It's like it's because you know it's going to take
Speaker 1: work to get there, and then you are exposed. And
Speaker 1: it's like it's so easy for people to be like
Speaker 1: fuck her about someone who tried. I beIN guess they're trying.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like I'm so over that.
Speaker 3: It also takes so much effort to hate on people.
Speaker 3: Yeah you got to create a log in.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know there's a workaholic Charlie XCX literally noted
Speaker 1: admitted workaholic always has to work. And it's just like
Speaker 1: maybe that can help, like people stop being such assholes.
Speaker 1: It's like someone who's effortless and cool looking is working
Speaker 1: to be that, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: can't stand that because I am a try hard and
Speaker 1: type a millennial, and it's like for that to be uncool,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That was a wonderful, wonderful I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Draft why I do have to ask why why print
Speaker 2: it printed?
Speaker 3: Just because it's like draft over draft over draft, And
Speaker 3: then I like the paper. It's like a touch draft thing.
Speaker 3: I like, that's good. You're in a way touching tree. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm touching tree.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to. I wanted to get it right.
Speaker 3: Because I'm a huge fan of the segment and I
Speaker 3: just wanted to lay something down that felt that felt
Speaker 3: true to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That was really that. I feel like we
Speaker 1: we're taking it back the narrative. I really did take
Speaker 1: it because the thing about people that don't try hard
Speaker 1: having the narrative for a second, they didn't work hard
Speaker 1: enough to keep the narrative. So now it's just like
Speaker 1: it's gone. Yeah, you know, power can be wrestled very
Speaker 1: easily from those who wieled power carelessly and thoughtlessly. What
Speaker 1: is that from? That actually was our guest last week, Tourmaline.
Speaker 1: Tourmaline from an incredible biography on Marsha P. Johnson and
Speaker 1: that was the educational moment of our episode.
Speaker 3: Also, if we try harder, maybe we'll win the next election. Interesting,
Speaker 3: I think maybe we need hard enough. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it's part of it. That's probably part of it. It's
Speaker 3: in the mix, in the.
Speaker 1: Mix, it's I think I think it's in the mix.
Speaker 1: Do you think AOC will win the presidency. I think
Speaker 1: it's possible. AOC's fire could be pretty cool.
Speaker 3: She has a message that hits. I also think Budage
Speaker 3: is great. I mean it might be controversial.
Speaker 1: I love him. Yeah, I don't think the country.
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes people oh whatever, they think he's too moderate, this, that, whatever.
Speaker 3: They think he's trying too hard, they think he's trying
Speaker 3: too hard. But I like how he mixes it up
Speaker 3: on Fox stuff like that. I know, like he's willing
Speaker 3: to he's willing to keep it, willing to go there.
Speaker 3: And so he's AOC by the way, and Bernie and
Speaker 3: Bertie and Bernie's obviously kind of a legend. But like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think both of those people are phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. They can catch a wave. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they are catching waves. It's just like I think,
Speaker 1: after everything that's gone on. It's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be that person that's like, oh, I'm nervous to
Speaker 1: put up a gay guy or I'm nervous to put
Speaker 1: up a young woman. Yeah, I agree, you can't be
Speaker 1: the nervous person. I refuse to be. But it's like
Speaker 1: there's truly people out there who just solely think I'm
Speaker 1: a lost because she's a black woman or black Indian woman.
Speaker 1: And it's just like, I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: I don't think that's why she lost. And I do
Speaker 1: think we need to stop saying that because if that's
Speaker 1: the ideology that we go down, like we're just gonna
Speaker 1: end up with cuomos forever.
Speaker 3: I Also, I think if we knew for a year
Speaker 3: out the whole thing with people googling day of who's running,
Speaker 3: Yeah that's real?
Speaker 1: Is that really real? Millions of people googling who's running.
Speaker 2: And some of us didn't know, okay, and some of
Speaker 2: us just had to us just like had been remind
Speaker 2: how busy he is.
Speaker 1: I'm busy. I mean, I don't want to hit him.
Speaker 3: I don't want to hit Biden while he's down because
Speaker 3: I'm sympathetic to the hell step.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things he could have
Speaker 3: done for the four years also to safeguard democracy, Like
Speaker 3: there's a.
Speaker 1: Lot, I mean, there's a lot going on. Its pandemic, there's.
Speaker 3: Luck going but still and just introducing Kamala everyone.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, hey, I don't think he knew she was
Speaker 1: there exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm one hundred years old. There's this other lady
Speaker 3: who's fandasdig you know. Anyway, go pick up Jake Tapper's book.
Speaker 4: Everybody Episode who, by the way, was shaming people for
Speaker 4: suggesting that there was something wrong maybe not or maybe
Speaker 4: not right with Biden for a while.
Speaker 3: And there's a book, right, So anyway, I love that.
Speaker 3: Love that guy. I love that dude on Jake Tapper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love for Jake Tapper's book The Good Life Is
Speaker 2: Odd Netflix made twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're gonna love it. We loved it. We loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just the greatest. You really are such
Speaker 1: you're one of the pre eminent storytellers. You're just so
Speaker 1: good up there. You feel so safe when you watch you.
Speaker 1: You always have and you're getting better to blind you.
Speaker 1: I love you, guys so much. This is such an
Speaker 1: honor to be here.
Speaker 3: If I could only be on one podcast, it would
Speaker 3: be this and this whole thing. But this hasn't been
Speaker 3: so beautiful for me because I love bonding. Also on
Speaker 3: all of these movies. I know it's like so deep
Speaker 3: to me. All these movies are so deep to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremy mcglare is gonna be a good watch for
Speaker 1: you later.
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't wait. Thank you for bringing that in.
Speaker 3: And we love you very much.
Speaker 2: And there is love and there is friendship, and we're
Speaker 2: all in New York now, so let's let's hand yes
Speaker 2: when return return.
Speaker 3: When Bowen wrote an email on me about my special
Speaker 3: last night, it made me covel and I wrote about
Speaker 3: my journal.
Speaker 1: Oh email that we were all on. I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: didn't email. I wanted it this morning. Yeah, it's okay,
Speaker 1: I'll send you an email. Okay, I'll write about my
Speaker 1: gerald tonight. We never ever sad of the song. I
Speaker 1: wish I was off booked to Secret Garden. I know.
Speaker 4: Anna to see me because I don't thing the day
Speaker 4: out understand where everything's.
Speaker 1: Made to be broke. I just want you to know why,
Speaker 1: I Drews want you to know how the song ends.
Speaker 1: I Drews watch you know. Yeah, It's so good. Hi,
Speaker 1: You're funny.
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