Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you. My own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture yes, goodness, lost culture ding dong,
Speaker 1: lost culturistas calling. I think we can switch the count
Speaker 1: of lovely straight male guests that we've had on the
Speaker 1: show on two hands now skyrocketed with this one.
Speaker 2: I just wanted too, he.
Speaker 1: And I think that that that warrant celebration.
Speaker 3: Like well, by the way, you know, I have got
Speaker 3: my coke sharrow in front of me, and of course
Speaker 3: it says bro and that had to be cosmic.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I have to tell you, I'm a.
Speaker 3: Little distracted because Bone and I were eating something spicy
Speaker 3: today and our stomachs are in a place, and I
Speaker 3: think it put me on a bad moon or on
Speaker 3: a call we just had. And I'm concerned about the
Speaker 3: way that I actually I admired you on that call.
Speaker 3: I mean you were you were sort of like it
Speaker 3: wasn't directed at anyone. It was kind of a rallying
Speaker 3: cry to get the whole team everyone on this zoom
Speaker 3: on the same page about something readers Katie's publicised by
Speaker 3: all those Kyle's, you know, Like sometimes it's just like
Speaker 3: you get frustrated and it has to come out like.
Speaker 1: And I don't even I don't like being like I
Speaker 1: had a moment like that this morning with you, before
Speaker 1: we with me, know, with just the people in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was just like I was just exasperated.
Speaker 3: I think sometimes you get to a certain point where
Speaker 3: you're just like I have to vent frustrations and it's
Speaker 3: it's hard because like I feel like my modus operandi
Speaker 3: every day is like cheerful, want to leave places better
Speaker 3: than I that I came in. And then but sometimes
Speaker 3: you get a little human moment and your stomach is
Speaker 3: heard from reading something spicy, and things are kind of
Speaker 3: like getting to you and you express.
Speaker 1: Can I point out something else? Your em O lately
Speaker 1: has been to say the full modus operandi rather than
Speaker 1: abbreviating it to m O. Because this is I think
Speaker 1: the second time this week that you've said the full
Speaker 1: modus operandi, And can I.
Speaker 3: Tell you every time I say the expression modus operanity,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think this is right.
Speaker 1: It is, it is right, you know what it means.
Speaker 1: I actually did it. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: M oh yeah, I just I've literally been thinking of
Speaker 3: them as.
Speaker 1: I kind of love that for you that you're saying
Speaker 1: the full that your modus upper randy, You're you're tripling
Speaker 1: the vale the syllable count.
Speaker 3: I think it's such a beautiful phrase, modus upper Randy.
Speaker 1: Think about like the peaks and valleys of that. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know what I want to kind of work in
Speaker 1: which is so insufferable as NB or not to benh
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like you know, like when like
Speaker 1: when someone writes something and then go n B as
Speaker 1: in as in like A, it's like A, it's like
Speaker 1: a PS. But it's like within the same paragraph. It's
Speaker 1: like I went to the store today NB. It was crowded.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know about n B. No whate
Speaker 1: ever uses Well anyway, that's Latin slash Italian. And we
Speaker 1: have an Italian legend with us in the room. Truly,
Speaker 1: it's a Roman Catholic Italian Roman. We got to talk
Speaker 1: about the pope, the pope, the conclave. This maybe see
Speaker 1: this is why this fate and karma in the air,
Speaker 1: because we have one of the we have a we
Speaker 1: have a scholar on the Catholic Church. He met a pope,
Speaker 1: met a pope, maybe met the last great one. Can
Speaker 1: I say that now that more and more comes out
Speaker 1: about Leo.
Speaker 3: I also, I know that I'm saying this from like
Speaker 3: a place of like having an upset stomach and also
Speaker 3: like a little bit ornery because of your ornery. I
Speaker 3: had a thing today, But like, what the fuck did
Speaker 3: people expect with them?
Speaker 1: No? No, I'm not surprised. It's just like it's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny the way that like popes are like
Speaker 1: ripe for like literal adulation from like internet people like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that the new pope.
Speaker 3: It's like, let's get together and watch the conclaven like
Speaker 3: what then be Immediately then you find out that they're Catholic.
Speaker 3: It's like you're you're can I be real, Like this's
Speaker 3: never gonna change, Like you're never gonna the pope is
Speaker 3: never gonna be like, yeah, I think gay guys should rock.
Speaker 1: The fuck on. That's never what the pope is gonna
Speaker 1: say now. But we liked We liked Francis because he
Speaker 1: was kind of like gag guy should rock the fuck
Speaker 1: on and then still used slurs in a literally in
Speaker 1: a way that made me go I like him, really
Speaker 1: made me go, that is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Gene.
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought I forgot about that. It's as beautiful
Speaker 3: as modus operanda.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, our guest is a real legend, truly, truly.
Speaker 1: This is his fourth Netflix special, The Good Life, The
Speaker 1: Good Life. It's really sublime. Might have shed a tear,
Speaker 1: but that's because I was at serotonin zero when I
Speaker 1: watched it, and that's exactly where the state in which
Speaker 1: I should have watched. I probably was like, my serotonin
Speaker 1: probably was a little bit higher than that.
Speaker 3: But I also cried, Oh, I mean it's yeah, there's
Speaker 3: an incredible storyteller.
Speaker 1: It was a sensitive, amazing man. Cute guy, guy, not bad,
Speaker 1: not bad. I'm not bad to look at either.
Speaker 3: Well, don't make his head explode, everyone, please, Well, Miclia.
Speaker 2: This is the best introduction of the podcast I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Was it? Cute guy, not bad, not bad?
Speaker 3: No, Hey, hey, hey, it's great to have a front runner.
Speaker 1: Front title of app.
Speaker 2: Is his modus operandi.
Speaker 1: Operan di Do you see die or D? I guess
Speaker 1: Latin is D Die?
Speaker 2: I think die?
Speaker 1: I like to get in the Latin in you like
Speaker 1: that modus operandi?
Speaker 3: Can you talk to us about your current modus operandi?
Speaker 2: My current modus operandi anything, the mode of working I
Speaker 2: guess is I'm in writ a writer space right now.
Speaker 2: I'm writing my next movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, how is okay? And can you share what
Speaker 1: stage you're out with it.
Speaker 2: I'm at the stage of like, I want to film
Speaker 2: it next spring, and I've written drafts of it and
Speaker 2: I just want to get it to a point where
Speaker 2: it's an ensemble where all eight characters are like lovely
Speaker 2: and it's very like Don't Think Twice. And yeah, we've
Speaker 2: all talked about Don't Think Twice a bit because.
Speaker 1: It mirrored the NYU improv life.
Speaker 3: I mean in that movie. I remember I told you
Speaker 3: this one I came on the podcast. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: guys spoke about you Don't Think Twice as well. Like
Speaker 3: it shook me to my core when I first watched it,
Speaker 3: because I was like, I remember, it was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you felt.
Speaker 1: We've never really talked about that. We hadn't really talked
Speaker 1: about Don't Think Twice.
Speaker 3: Ye, maybe because it was a sensitive subject at the time,
Speaker 3: but like it really scared me. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: there's no way I'd be that much of a dick
Speaker 3: to my friends as the character you play in that movie.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if this is like
Speaker 3: a depiction of what our community is really like. And
Speaker 3: then you go through that experience and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: all sorts.
Speaker 1: Of humanity can come out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like an interesting life experience of like the
Speaker 2: first time for me, it was like in my thirties
Speaker 2: when you realize, like life isn't fair, like not everyone
Speaker 2: gets the same thing in your group of best friends
Speaker 2: from college exactly.
Speaker 1: But then as this new film a lovelier bunch than
Speaker 1: the Don't Think twice group, you would say.
Speaker 2: It's an I think mixed bag. Oh, I think it's
Speaker 2: it's a fun ensemble film. I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm going to be in it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm excited to just write and direct.
Speaker 1: And making movies is so fun and I just love it.
Speaker 2: I love I'm obsessed with movies. I think that's my
Speaker 2: My lost cultures is kind of like way in movies
Speaker 2: we watch, for example, like we watch Wicked probably seven
Speaker 2: or eight times.
Speaker 1: She would lose her mind if she knows I knew
Speaker 1: I was here right now. I don't think the kids
Speaker 1: care about me, no cares.
Speaker 2: And she watches SNL and I think maybe you've been
Speaker 2: on it as a cake.
Speaker 1: Is it possible I have not been huge folks cross
Speaker 1: over to That's huge for her, Yeah, and the same
Speaker 1: way that it's huge for me, because can I tell
Speaker 1: you the thing that breaks my heart about my summer
Speaker 1: is that I can't line up with the shooting dates.
Speaker 2: Damn it.
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta whatever it's got to. It's gotta wait,
Speaker 1: but it's coming back.
Speaker 3: There's something you know, who I feel like would connect
Speaker 3: with kids and clearly has is my There's something very
Speaker 3: like infectious about his energy and childlike about it that
Speaker 3: I think, like to.
Speaker 2: My daughter, Mikey is like my Steve Martin. Like sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll explain to her, I'll be like, so the way
Speaker 2: you see Mikey is like how I see Steve Martin,
Speaker 2: and she kind of gets it. I think you have.
Speaker 1: This joke in the special where when people stop you
Speaker 1: on the street when she's with you, like a big
Speaker 1: fan of your comedy whatever, when they like when they
Speaker 1: like throw praise at you in passing. You know, you
Speaker 1: finally asked her one day, like how does that make
Speaker 1: you feel? When that happens and you spoil it? And
Speaker 1: she said, well, you you say it.
Speaker 2: She goes, it's a waste of my time. Right, But
Speaker 2: then and I got that's the mean things ever said that.
Speaker 2: And I know Bill Burr great joke. But then when
Speaker 2: someone called me the other day and they go, who's
Speaker 2: like a friend of Bill Burr and they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: I think Bill Burr might have some concerns about that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's a compliments.
Speaker 1: You think he's a sweetheart.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: The reality is he is for so is like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's a ballbuster, right, That's the way it ran to me,
Speaker 3: And I misunderstood. No, no, I think let's just okay,
Speaker 3: we can just address this here and now let's address
Speaker 3: it here and now Bill Burr is one of the
Speaker 3: great sweethearts of the industry, so lovely.
Speaker 1: The persona is ballbuster, I think.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, unless I misunderstood all the special well.
Speaker 3: I think that it's like to an audience watching your special,
Speaker 3: like I would imagine they watch his specials as well,
Speaker 3: and the persona is ballbuster. So you're speaking to the persona,
Speaker 3: you're speaking about this person with the you know, well.
Speaker 2: I was a well, of course I overthink everything. So
Speaker 2: this person says this to me, and I go, well,
Speaker 2: what do you think he'll say? They go, well, he
Speaker 2: might call you. I go, well, if he calls me,
Speaker 2: here's what I would say. I would go, if it
Speaker 2: wasn't your name, it wouldn't get a last exactly. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's that's the meaning thing anyone's ever said to me.
Speaker 1: And I know Chris Rock he doesn't have that persona
Speaker 1: mean whereas other other Yeah, and there's something about the
Speaker 1: ear hit of Bill or that the sound of the
Speaker 1: pop pop pop. But then you say that your daughter okay,
Speaker 1: and I believe that your daughter has said to you
Speaker 1: that that is a waste of It's a waste of
Speaker 1: her time. It happens, But does she understand that, you know,
Speaker 1: her dad, being who he is and doing what he does,
Speaker 1: ends up like is the reason why she gets to
Speaker 1: go to Rome, or that he gets to be in
Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift music video or something like that. Does
Speaker 1: she can connect to it on that level?
Speaker 2: I'd like to think so, But you know, it's like
Speaker 2: you and I make the joke in the special, it's
Speaker 2: like we're my parents were not physically affectionate with me,
Speaker 2: and like Jenny and I are the opposite, which I'm
Speaker 2: gonna we'll find out what problem actually is when she's
Speaker 2: a grown up, right, so it's like you know you're
Speaker 2: messing up something and you just try to do your best.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see like a micro generation under us,
Speaker 1: like we know people, Okay, perfect example, friend of the
Speaker 1: show Natalie Roder Lateman and then another friend of the show,
Speaker 1: Celeste Jim says the reason they love Natalie so much
Speaker 1: is because Natalie is someone who is a product of
Speaker 1: their parents loving them so much. And she's just this wonderful, chill,
Speaker 1: like just like care free kind of person and in
Speaker 1: a way that is like so unfettered, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: hopefully that's where gonna ends up.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like to think for her to be able
Speaker 1: to say it's a waste of my time, hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I showed her the trailer the other day and
Speaker 2: then this week I'm gonna show her some clips kind
Speaker 2: of easy. Some of this stuff is a little over
Speaker 2: age ten Yeah, you know what I mean in terms
Speaker 2: of in terms of like heaviness or in terms of heaviness.
Speaker 2: I think, yes, the stroke stuff is pretty heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is for people listening like it's about my dad
Speaker 2: having a stroke and kind of yaling with that and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty heavy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Would it play the same in every iteration that you
Speaker 1: would do the show, where like there are there are
Speaker 1: these really quick shifts in room tony even not even
Speaker 1: just like your tone as a performer, but like the
Speaker 1: room hush falls in the room so quickly and then
Speaker 1: you immediately break that and picks back up. But like,
Speaker 1: what did you see the peaks and valley every time
Speaker 1: in the same way.
Speaker 2: It definitely varied and over you know, over time it's
Speaker 2: like calibrating how do you signal to the audience and
Speaker 2: quickly that I'm gonna say something serious?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of it is like honestly just silence.
Speaker 2: Like there'll be moments where like I'll just walk stage
Speaker 2: right and just not say anything for a second. I
Speaker 2: think at this point my audience is like they kind
Speaker 2: of know from the old man in the pool and
Speaker 2: the new one that like that's in there. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's like actually, like one of the coolest things about
Speaker 2: making these shows now is that like it's not out
Speaker 2: of nowhere to there's drama.
Speaker 1: I feel like the drama in the past is always
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe my memory is bad, but it
Speaker 1: felt like it like lived a little bit longer. And
Speaker 1: in this one, it feels like in the Good Life.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's the rhythm. The cadence is like
Speaker 1: a little bit more contracted in a way that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is really interesting, Like you kind of like toggle
Speaker 1: between them in a quicker way.
Speaker 2: I feel like that. Yeah, I think part of it
Speaker 2: is My other shows were about kind of pain that
Speaker 2: I experienced in the past, and this one, for the
Speaker 2: first time, it's about pain I'm experiencing in my present.
Speaker 2: My dad is like still hanging on after having a
Speaker 2: stroke fifteen months ago. It's like it's devastating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's like every week it's just really really hard.
Speaker 2: And we have moments. Right, It's like, and I talk
Speaker 2: about that in the special. Is like going to celebrate
Speaker 2: his eighty fourth birthday, was beautifully surrounded by his children
Speaker 2: and his grandchildren, and like I gave him rosary beads
Speaker 2: from the Vatican that the that the last Pope blast
Speaker 2: and it's like, I mean, I'm hoping that that's the
Speaker 2: rawness of it. Yeah, is what connects with people and
Speaker 2: you guys are saying like you're a little choked up
Speaker 2: from It's like I want that to be the case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like I think the for me, like the
Speaker 2: comedy that I connect to most. And that's why I
Speaker 2: was saying, like, like movies is my like love language
Speaker 2: of like my culture. ISA is like it's like movies.
Speaker 2: I think, do that really well when they like James L.
Speaker 2: Brooks movies or like like even this weekend, like we
Speaker 2: were watching because it's on Netflix now because four seasons
Speaker 2: Tina Fey's great series. We watched The Originalist week and
Speaker 2: I'm just so choked up something about those seventies movies
Speaker 2: that like rex.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, what's your favorite?
Speaker 2: James L. Brooks broadcast news?
Speaker 1: Absolutely and in terms of endearment number two terms is wild.
Speaker 3: So I have a question though, because you talk about
Speaker 3: like how there wasn't a lot of affection from your parents,
Speaker 3: like were you always someone? I have two questions. One,
Speaker 3: you went to Georgetown, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you think if your parents had hugged you more
Speaker 3: you still would have gone to Georgetown?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Probably not right? Right? So that thank you for answering
Speaker 1: that question.
Speaker 2: So way.
Speaker 3: Who for thought out there and Another thing is were
Speaker 3: you always seeking out emotional outlets as a kid, or
Speaker 3: is that did you arrive at wanting connections with emotional
Speaker 3: films and media a little bit later because you felt
Speaker 3: maybe delayed or lacking in that.
Speaker 1: I think I found it.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid. I would write like poems
Speaker 2: and songs like I have these ridiculous like a joke book,
Speaker 2: a poem book, a songbook, and then my you know,
Speaker 2: I still have and they're ridiculous, and I had no
Speaker 2: real outlet for it. I did a little theater in
Speaker 2: high school, and when I went to college, I auditioned
Speaker 2: for the improv group and I didn't know what improv was.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I'm all in on this,
Speaker 2: and so that became my entire existence and I was
Speaker 2: that was yeah, and it kind of weirdly still is,
Speaker 2: like yes, Like lately I've been improvising with the pad
Speaker 2: book Boy over at UCB and like it's my most
Speaker 2: joy outside of being with my family. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm a bad friend and I have yet to be
Speaker 1: a one of those, but they've asked me multiple cots
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: I love both of you. Come, let's do you guys
Speaker 2: got to come Uprose.
Speaker 1: It's so we've been doing We've been doing with Josh
Speaker 1: Sharp and Aaron Jackson. It's it's been like, it's so fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm afraid of that one. But it's too I
Speaker 2: feel like the Bellhouses it's too big.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's like that feels weird for a second, but then
Speaker 3: it kind of becomes part of the bit.
Speaker 1: The thing with them and the thing with like I
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 3: It's got to be with PDD two because there are
Speaker 3: such little joy bubbles I feel like is it's like
Speaker 3: you immediately feel so comfortable and taken care of. And
Speaker 3: I think that what was stressing me out when I
Speaker 3: was like doing improv and even doing comedy at large
Speaker 3: when I was younger, is I always felt like I
Speaker 3: had something to prove and I was incapable of clearing
Speaker 3: the mind and just saying yes and listening because you're
Speaker 3: so concerned about what you say being funny or good
Speaker 3: or smart or worthwhile that like you need to be
Speaker 3: you neither need time to understand how to do that,
Speaker 3: or you need to be comfortable right at the jump,
Speaker 3: and they make Now that I think time has passed
Speaker 3: and I understand what comedy is and they make me
Speaker 3: so comfortable. It's like a perfect situation. I think part
Speaker 3: of it is well, first of all, I love those guys.
Speaker 3: I love Dixon music all the best. You're great, thank you.
Speaker 3: Second of all, I think part of it is you're right.
Speaker 3: Like I think when you get older, you start to
Speaker 3: trust what the wisdom of the part form is or
Speaker 3: anything like Literally, like I played tennis recently, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think I'm better than I was like in high
Speaker 3: school when I did you give less of a fuck? Yeah,
Speaker 3: because do you want to know why? There's nothing There's
Speaker 3: no one that's going to tell you, hey, that you
Speaker 3: did a bad job and we were counting on you.
Speaker 1: That's right, It's so true.
Speaker 3: I mean it's literally it's like it's funny because I
Speaker 3: did a lot of team sports when I was growing up.
Speaker 3: I was a big athlete, and then I didn't want
Speaker 3: to do that anymore, and so I went to college
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it was like, oh, get
Speaker 3: on the improv sketch team, or like take classes at UCB,
Speaker 3: where it was unfortunately a team sport and you could
Speaker 3: disappoint people. And when you're like when you were that
Speaker 3: that age and you've got your hang ups and stuff,
Speaker 3: just like twenty people is the top of the list
Speaker 3: that it would suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even because in high school, was it like a
Speaker 1: team structure, was it a ladder or something? In tennis, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah because you had because you had like a wrestling
Speaker 1: thing too, or tennis and soccer. Those are my high
Speaker 1: school sports. And in all those situations, it's just there
Speaker 1: are so many opportunities for someone to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're not good at this or something, just making me.
Speaker 2: Feel one hundred percent. And also I think you most
Speaker 2: people me, I didn't have the presence of mind in
Speaker 2: high school to be like, they're right, I should relax,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like when you get older,
Speaker 2: you're like, no, no, you should relax. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 2: how you do things. Well.
Speaker 1: You can't tell a teenager or a young person to
Speaker 1: chill out. No, they don't have to.
Speaker 2: They can't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they haven't experienced enough life to not
Speaker 3: know that it's end all, be all right.
Speaker 2: That's why it's so weird when you see someone who's
Speaker 2: like fifteen years old and they're like amazing at a thing, yes,
Speaker 2: and you're like, who told you, but.
Speaker 1: You know they how do they know? They're so fucked
Speaker 1: up later in life?
Speaker 2: That's why I love like Queen's Gambit though, Like I
Speaker 2: was watching that recently the first time, late to the party,
Speaker 2: Like it's fun to watch a prodigy, Yeah, even though
Speaker 2: it's fake, you say, it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, what would that be like if you were
Speaker 1: a prodigy you get addicted to drugs. That's one of
Speaker 1: the few pieces of media where it does depict the
Speaker 1: full arc of prodigy and then it all falls apart, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then comes together and then comes together, which is yeah,
Speaker 1: which is the best case, thank god, thank god.
Speaker 3: It's also really interesting because different adults relationship to her
Speaker 3: power and success.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 3: Really it's very good at exploring that as well, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like her adopted mother and then
Speaker 3: you know, like all the things that go on with that. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's yeah, really that like that actually was way better
Speaker 3: at It was about so much more than.
Speaker 2: That one situation, And I got great art that made
Speaker 2: me think to watch show my daughter searching for Bobby
Speaker 2: Fisher the other day I've ever seen, Oh wow, great one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then the other day for my daughter's ten birthday,
Speaker 2: five person sleepover and they watched Clueless. Oh no, some
Speaker 2: of them had, some of them had DoD They like it.
Speaker 2: What do they think? I think they loved it?
Speaker 1: Oh good. Oh that makes me so happy to hear,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, does this will Because one of my
Speaker 1: curiosities is will this work on a younger a way
Speaker 1: younger generation. Yeah, and I'm so glad to hear that
Speaker 1: it has or that it might.
Speaker 2: They seem pretty happy.
Speaker 1: I think I think it will.
Speaker 3: Wonder we want to know why, because what's what makes
Speaker 3: that movie work so well is that it's a shared
Speaker 3: language in the movie that like you may not understand,
Speaker 3: but they understand itself.
Speaker 1: Fantasy is so fun. It's such a fun world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. There's definitely some things over the over
Speaker 1: the kids heads.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: I remember watching it the first time and being like,
Speaker 3: I remember the moment. I was an astro van on
Speaker 3: a road trip with my parents and you know how
Speaker 3: they put the like big TV in the back of
Speaker 3: the astro vans and my sister I was I think
Speaker 3: I was nine and she was six, and we watched
Speaker 3: the list and it ended and we both just stared
Speaker 3: at the screen and I said, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I vocalize this, but I was like if something to
Speaker 3: the effect of like I think I love that, and
Speaker 3: my sister who's six goes me too.
Speaker 1: I want to watch it again right now. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 3: And it's speaking to what you just said about. It's
Speaker 3: visually so fun. They're so confident doing it. It feels
Speaker 3: like it still feels after it's tried to be copied
Speaker 3: so many times.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's doing its own thing.
Speaker 2: And also Alicia Silverstone just in like a magical period
Speaker 2: it something Sometimes stars are having it. Like Val Kilmer
Speaker 2: is a good example passed away recently. You look at
Speaker 2: like real genius. You just go, I don't know what
Speaker 2: was going on.
Speaker 1: Something was something was happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Valculmer in that movie is like magic is
Speaker 2: that person?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so aligned with the era. Yeah, it's when
Speaker 1: it Yeah, it's when a performer isigned with the era.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's like Tom Cruise, like risky business.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would say Lindsay Lohan too, I was
Speaker 3: gonna say.
Speaker 1: I was just saying, and like who else for like
Speaker 1: a for like a longer period. That was like a
Speaker 1: five six year period.
Speaker 2: But I was just so Aaron Stapplindsay Lohan is fantastic
Speaker 2: and my daughter loves, oh my god, the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this play?
Speaker 3: John Proctor is the villain. I wanted to make sure
Speaker 3: I brought it in today and they can even use this.
Speaker 3: It's about a classroom in high school in twenty eighteen
Speaker 3: who is reading The Crucible under new eyes amidst me
Speaker 3: too and everything. It's fantastic. Oh, we'll go see it
Speaker 3: for sure. But it got me in a work. Oh
Speaker 3: she was one of the best. Abigail Williams is in
Speaker 3: The Crucible.
Speaker 1: Oh yeahs another one.
Speaker 2: Yes, magical in that era, like be Beatle, Juice, Heathery, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Age of Innocence. This is the thing I always have
Speaker 2: to remind myself about living in New York. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: with New York, you're like too many people, this is
Speaker 2: just too many people. But then you see a show
Speaker 2: like that, you go, oh, right, Like we we went
Speaker 2: for UNA's birthday to see Wicked. After She's in the
Speaker 2: movies at times and I'm just losing it, like dancing
Speaker 2: through life, just like.
Speaker 1: That ending unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That's me gets me.
Speaker 1: But what you're saying, there's too many people in New
Speaker 1: York and there for you don't want you want to
Speaker 1: go and go to the theater exactly.
Speaker 2: We're going to take advantage of what we have to it.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm on my kick again right now. Obviously it's
Speaker 3: like it's like Tony sees it, well now you have
Speaker 3: more time time soon. But and I'm seeing a lot,
Speaker 3: and I try to only come here with like the
Speaker 3: highlights because I see a lot. So I just saw
Speaker 3: maybe Happy Ending, which was amazing. And this John Proctor
Speaker 3: is the villain is my favorite thing I've seen in
Speaker 3: quite some Oh wow, yeah it's it's and Sadie Sync
Speaker 3: is the star and I'm like really excited that she used.
Speaker 1: Her star power from Stranger Things to highlight something like this.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: The player at is Kimberly Bellflower. She's amazing. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and the whole cast is fantastic. It's just it's really
Speaker 3: I thought like at first, like when I saw like
Speaker 3: it marketed, it looked like girl Boss the Crucible and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, interesting, but.
Speaker 1: It's like which we would still gladly see.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, But you never know what
Speaker 3: like mainstream theater is going to do, of course, but
Speaker 3: they've been impressing me every time I've gone out lately.
Speaker 1: I'm just like really excited about what's on stage.
Speaker 2: Love, I love, good night and good luck George? What else?
Speaker 2: What else is upright now?
Speaker 1: As you see, I'm not the person to ask this
Speaker 1: is your guy, But now that I've got time, I've
Speaker 1: said the things I love.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, are you
Speaker 2: read the subtag? Read the subtext?
Speaker 1: Are you pre dreading the questions you'll be asked about
Speaker 1: the Pope and about how this special kind of presciently
Speaker 1: focuses on the pope pre conclave, pre election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it was like a year ago. Jim
Speaker 2: Gaffigan calls me, who was on behalf of Stephen Colbert,
Speaker 2: asking me to go made the Pope. But I was
Speaker 2: very torn. It was older boy as a kid, and
Speaker 2: you know in the eighties, like Spotlight.
Speaker 1: You know what Spotlight was about literally in Boston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Massachusetts. That was a movie that Tom McCarthy's movie Spotlight,
Speaker 2: that hit me so hard. Incredible movie. But but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I've always had like deep concerns about the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: and and I thought about it, and ultimately it was
Speaker 2: just like this is very important to my parents, Like
Speaker 2: they raised me Catholic. My my my mom went to
Speaker 2: Latin Mass when she was a kid, like pre Vatican
Speaker 2: to Catholic Church, and so I knew, like and they
Speaker 2: were going through a hard time, and I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. And there's a odd synchronicity. Poe Francis's
Speaker 2: real name was Bergoglio. My last name is Bera Bilio,
Speaker 2: and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like he just he just kind of
Speaker 1: like kind of like googled himself or something or no,
Speaker 1: he just looked at it though.
Speaker 2: He like, look, yeah, he just googled Comedian and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm a bit of agodio. It's my he's got to
Speaker 2: be here. We gotta make sure he's in the room.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, as far as popes go, he
Speaker 2: was pretty good, I thought, right, And yeah, he bus
Speaker 2: gay couples and he was open. This is what would
Speaker 2: big Goldberg pointed out because she was one of the
Speaker 2: people who was there with us. She was a big
Speaker 2: fan of Frances he welcomed divorced couples back into the church.
Speaker 2: I was like, we weren't welcoming divorce, like what I
Speaker 2: did not get the memo on that one. But then
Speaker 2: but then when I was there, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: talk when with the insiders of like we're a little
Speaker 2: worried that it might be a conservative pope because the
Speaker 2: international side of the church is sometimes very much more
Speaker 2: conservative than Po Francis was. And so to your point
Speaker 2: earlier of like this new Pope Leo, it's like it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: there's there's things you can criticize, but also we dodged
Speaker 2: a bullet of like, yeah, we got the trump of
Speaker 2: popes right right, and could have been like could have
Speaker 2: been sure, and we were tracked what we what we've
Speaker 2: said about Leo. I would that's the first thing I
Speaker 2: was gonna ask you to do. I have really strong
Speaker 2: feelings with this. No, I know almost nothing about the
Speaker 2: pope Leo guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, all I know is with the way that
Speaker 3: queer media was up in arms about him being not
Speaker 3: up in arms, but you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: people had something to say and expressing disappointment about him,
Speaker 3: saying that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I would I would remind those people this
Speaker 3: is the Catholic Church, Like it's kind of that's that's
Speaker 3: what that's their modus operand so it's it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe I was more irritated at it being
Speaker 3: like a news item headline.
Speaker 2: There's might take on all major world religions because I
Speaker 2: like to disrespect, disrespect all religions equallyam is. I think
Speaker 2: a summit we could have it, the three of us
Speaker 2: call a summits all the major world religions. We'd like
Speaker 2: to talk about sexuality and gender. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about gay people? How do you feel about women? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's like open open forum, talk about it. Put it
Speaker 2: on a fucking record, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: if that's how you feel, put it on the record
Speaker 2: in front of all these people, and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about it. Because I think it's weird that we
Speaker 2: have this this vague thing like this is kind of homophobic,
Speaker 2: this is you know, this is sexist.
Speaker 1: They don't let women be priests.
Speaker 2: They kind of do, but only sometimes sometimes in Europe.
Speaker 2: It's okay, whatever, and I'm like, no, let's have a
Speaker 2: summ up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's record feel and then put that on a
Speaker 1: one sheet you know what I mean, put it on
Speaker 1: a Google doc. Put it on Google doc, and then
Speaker 1: have lead PR and.
Speaker 2: Send that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I DPR, get involved, get involved and send that
Speaker 1: out to Conde nasten Hers. Yeah. People who are religious
Speaker 1: of any religion, yeah, like no, no, we're are our
Speaker 1: religions okay.
Speaker 2: With women, I'm like, well I've heard some things.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know what I mean, It's like we're
Speaker 1: okay with game for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I guess it's like if anyone did gymnastics, you know enough,
Speaker 3: like you could you could justify anything. Like I understand
Speaker 3: that people find, you know, a lot of peace and
Speaker 3: solace and you know, community and these types of things.
Speaker 3: But it's like, let's just not pretend they're not what
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean every religion is a structure of structured meaning,
Speaker 1: and then people like seek out meaning in religion and
Speaker 1: then they just have to like reconcile how much of
Speaker 1: themselves is compatible with like that meaning. I'm being so general.
Speaker 1: There actually is.
Speaker 2: A good there's a really good documentary about the Pope
Speaker 2: Francis who passed away, called the man, Pope Francis a
Speaker 2: man of his word, and it was interesting because he
Speaker 2: actually did like meet with a lot of different religious
Speaker 2: world leaders about the religion. And I do think that
Speaker 2: that is at the moment we're in world history, Like
Speaker 2: I never.
Speaker 1: Talked about this ship, but like no, but like that's
Speaker 1: what we should do.
Speaker 2: I think the religion should be that because it's like
Speaker 2: they have more in common than not. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like you look at all the religions they're arguing with
Speaker 2: each other. It's like, no, no, you all believe the same
Speaker 2: kind of totally fake thing, totally like and no, no,
Speaker 2: fa Like maybe it's fake, maybe it's not, but it's
Speaker 2: very similar. What you guys believe in is very similar. Right,
Speaker 2: So maybe we'll get on the same page about like
Speaker 2: human rights. I don't know, just an idea. We have
Speaker 2: to ask you the question of our podcast. We've sort
Speaker 2: of been dancing around it in several ways, I think,
Speaker 2: But Mike, what was the culture that made you say
Speaker 2: culture was for you? Okay, since I already covered my
Speaker 2: epiphany of auditioning for an imprupture, it's.
Speaker 1: The movie Jerremyguire.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, because when it came out I loved it
Speaker 2: and it made me feel a thing. And then I
Speaker 2: went and studied screenwriting at Georgetown and my professor John
Speaker 2: Glavin taught it like it was a text, like it
Speaker 2: was a book in a class. We read the script,
Speaker 2: we watched the movie, we broke down the beats, and
Speaker 2: I started to understand, like, oh, this is not magic,
Speaker 2: and this is not just a popcorn movie. No, Like
Speaker 2: that's the thing is like even Wickeds another examples, like
Speaker 2: is a popcorn movie. A lot of people pop tickets
Speaker 2: to it, but it's really meaningful, Like I cried during it.
Speaker 2: I cried during Jurream Maguire, like I take the stigma
Speaker 2: away from movies that are popular but make you feel
Speaker 2: something like that's a great feat. I I'm so glad
Speaker 2: you said that.
Speaker 1: Yeah he has he has formative stuff. Formative suff with
Speaker 1: dry Maguire one of the one of the first movies
Speaker 1: we got from Blockbuster. I think way too young to
Speaker 1: be watching it. Yeah, sure is watching Tom Cruise, fuck Kelly,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yes. I was like, don't ever stop sucking me as
Speaker 2: ever stop.
Speaker 1: And then and then later and then later.
Speaker 3: Post eat like no, no, no, like like eating something strawberry.
Speaker 1: No, no, she like disnounced them. She goes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get some fruit. It's like a tight, close up, tight
Speaker 1: sing along Kelly Preston so crazy Wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that movie Mede, Yeah, kind of a perfect movie,
Speaker 1: a perfect man in many ways.
Speaker 3: And also you know what I was just thinking, so
Speaker 3: many elements come together to make it good. Like the
Speaker 3: song Secret Garden. Oh my gosh, fuck off, I know
Speaker 3: y right, I'm on the radio. They would play that
Speaker 3: song with clips.
Speaker 1: Oh you had me at hello.
Speaker 3: Literally I would be listening to like whatever radio station
Speaker 3: one to six point one b L when I was younger,
Speaker 3: and like they would play Secret Garden with Renee doing it.
Speaker 3: And they also did that for sometimes My Heart Will
Speaker 3: Go On in titan Y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was certain movies they.
Speaker 3: Did this with and it was always always those like
Speaker 3: emotional peaks of the movie that created lore. And this
Speaker 3: is a time too when I feel like soundtracking was
Speaker 3: speaking to movies in such a specific way, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like it would like I remember having
Speaker 3: like the City of Angels soundtrack because yeah, you remember
Speaker 3: the image of her Meg Ryan riding the bike with
Speaker 3: her arms out like this. It's like there was that
Speaker 3: you kind of need music to They still do that.
Speaker 3: I was barby Barbie was the most significant.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, Barbie did that.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, that song's great, so good, and so
Speaker 1: many of those songs. But I was gonna say the
Speaker 1: last time that like maybe I'm maybe I'm misremembering this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like with Star is Born, when they
Speaker 1: would play either Shallow or like always remember Us, this
Speaker 1: is the way they would cut in some bits from
Speaker 1: A Star is Born.
Speaker 3: It was like there was a there you could listen to,
Speaker 3: like the radio version of Shallow, or there was like
Speaker 3: a movie version, and you know what you're thinking of
Speaker 3: is at the end when it's I'll Never Fall. They
Speaker 3: sometimes will at the end, she's like singing the last chorus,
Speaker 3: and then they'll cut to him doing it from the
Speaker 3: movie and that way, which is what it is in
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 1: She doesn't because.
Speaker 3: There's a version of that song where she literally just
Speaker 3: belt her tits off for the last remainder of it
Speaker 3: and it ends like like when those ballads does. But
Speaker 3: then the movie just literally cuts to him finishing the
Speaker 3: song and then it's back with her crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: The other thing about Jerry Maguire is like it has
Speaker 2: a love story that's not perfect, it's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful because you're just like at the end,
Speaker 2: you go, well, maybe they shouldn't be together. I don't
Speaker 2: even know. Yeah, and you're like, that's kind of sweet,
Speaker 2: like they're they're taking the leap together.
Speaker 1: Of course, and talk about the other kind of unless
Speaker 1: it's hard to capture with language, like talk about the
Speaker 1: magic that you felt watching it growing up, that like
Speaker 1: was dispelled once you got to college.
Speaker 2: The magic was I'm laughing.
Speaker 1: It's the thing that I try to achieve in my shows.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm feeling emotions. And
Speaker 2: then somehow you just think because it's a quote unquote
Speaker 2: popular movie, popcorn movie, you're just like, well, that's not important. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's so important.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: It drives me crazy when culture things that are great
Speaker 2: are viewed as not important.
Speaker 1: Because snobs come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know a great example Wicked, the original
Speaker 2: Broadway production. People always say this. They're like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's been running for what twenty years or whatever. It's
Speaker 2: like the first reviews were like snobby, They're like it's
Speaker 2: not good, and it's like well, actually, let the audiences decide,
Speaker 2: because audiences are crushed by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am crushed at the production of Wicked.
Speaker 2: I'm just like crying. Yeah, my wife and I were crying,
Speaker 2: and are you know our daughter was just like great,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget.
Speaker 2: You know, she'd loved it. She loved it, but it's
Speaker 2: not like that, not like that.
Speaker 3: Well also because not for nothing, but she doesn't understand.
Speaker 3: She's not old enough yet to understand maybe why. It's like,
Speaker 3: I think that young girls obviously respond to that movie
Speaker 3: because of friendship and because of you know, what it
Speaker 3: feels like to feel outcast or to accept someone and
Speaker 3: to really work hard on, you know, proving loyalty and
Speaker 3: like that. Though all those things are really beautiful, and
Speaker 3: I think that's why young.
Speaker 1: Girls love it.
Speaker 3: But also like when I saw with my parents, I
Speaker 3: took my dad mom to it. I saw it five
Speaker 3: times as well. I thought her you know bias aside,
Speaker 3: like I also fucking loved the movie. And I turned
Speaker 3: to my dad and I was like, well, it's about fascism,
Speaker 3: he was like, and he just sat there and he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: And I think that that.
Speaker 3: Is something that's like also part of it for an
Speaker 3: adult man is it's like, wow, Like this movie is
Speaker 3: literally about speaking truth to power and paying for it.
Speaker 3: She she's just an example of someone who is not
Speaker 3: strong enough and is not willing to make the sacrifice.
Speaker 1: That she does in the end.
Speaker 3: She does in the end, but where specific specifically talking
Speaker 3: about that movement, that moment of defying gravity. It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I cannot give up all the things that
Speaker 3: make me me to join you.
Speaker 1: Even if I know it's right.
Speaker 3: And that's that she is in process because she's been
Speaker 3: so protected and the privileged, and it's going to take
Speaker 3: a while and she's gonna have to lose real stuff,
Speaker 3: yes spoiler alert for act two for her to do
Speaker 3: those things. And even then she doesn't really do it publicly,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So that is complicated ship
Speaker 3: for an adult and it's it is very moving and.
Speaker 2: It's not and by the way, it's not just similar
Speaker 2: to the thing I'm saying. It connects me with Jerry Maguire,
Speaker 2: the imperfection, the drawing out of the imperfection of just
Speaker 2: being alive and how nothing is cut and.
Speaker 1: Dry, and Tom Cruise has never looked better, never looked better.
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, I mean here's here's what I'll say, Fucking Renee.
Speaker 3: I think Renee is the reason why. It's just because
Speaker 3: of her line deliveries, which are spectacular. It's just it's
Speaker 3: an example of perfect casting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first kiss thing and he's like snaps her
Speaker 2: bra by accident. They laugh, and this charming Tom cruise way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch that tonight. It's perfect.
Speaker 1: You you're you've really Jenny.
Speaker 2: And I have my wife and I Jen's a poet
Speaker 2: and we both have this obsessive thing with movies, which
Speaker 2: is great. Movies are like songs. It's just what you
Speaker 2: can watch them over and over again, and there's something
Speaker 2: peaceful about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it changes your parameters as you're consuming this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 3: Wearing shirt that I got it at Vito. This is
Speaker 3: what I havorite movies, Thelma and Louise. And it's the
Speaker 3: same thing, same thing. It's this, it's it's and also
Speaker 3: there's this which they don't do in movies that much anymore,
Speaker 3: where they'll end it on a real curveball. That's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: makes it art, you know what I mean. Like I
Speaker 3: feel like there's something non traditional and weird about her
Speaker 3: stopping him in the middle of his sentence to be
Speaker 3: like stop doing the proclamation.
Speaker 1: You had me at hello, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And also, like you said, maybe they shouldn't be doing this,
Speaker 3: like the relationship has been a little toxic, but it's like,
Speaker 3: but they're gonna try anyway.
Speaker 1: And in this movie Thelma and Louise.
Speaker 3: Obviously spoilers, but if you're into this podcast, you probably
Speaker 3: understand they choose to die. They would rather drive off
Speaker 3: a cliff no get caught. And so I remember when
Speaker 3: the movie rock it is And also it's just it's
Speaker 3: not it's clearly ignoring what I'm sure our studio notes,
Speaker 3: you know. And by the way, they probably shot it
Speaker 3: both ways. That probably they definitely they probably shot it
Speaker 3: without them going.
Speaker 2: Off the cliff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. We should find that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, this has made me realize it's
Speaker 2: like you're saying, like, what's the epiphany thing for me
Speaker 2: in culture?
Speaker 1: The other one was Maybe Say Anything, which is another.
Speaker 2: Cameron Crow movie. Did I Not Say Anything When as
Speaker 2: a kid, and I remember quoting it with Michael Cavanaugh,
Speaker 2: my best friend, like back and forth and doing the
Speaker 2: this you know, the boom box in the air, and
Speaker 2: we were like ten, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, Cameron Crowe was, I'm gonna come up here
Speaker 1: and say, Elizabethtown underrated movie. I love Elizabeth can say
Speaker 1: I love this. I love that. I think it's so.
Speaker 2: I think Elizabeth sounds great. I think almost famous is fantastic.
Speaker 1: Course of course that's just that's really that's quite a
Speaker 1: good And also he wrote a Fast Times Oh I wrote,
Speaker 1: didn't direct it.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I got it. And I think Fast Times
Speaker 3: classic classic. There's something wasn't Fast Times Ammy Hackling she directed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that all these movies, it's like there's stuff about
Speaker 3: them that Bowen uses this wonderful word serrates them, that
Speaker 3: makes them memorable, like a little bit literally just ferend,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit askew, so slightly off, like even
Speaker 3: like for example, like even in Clueless, Like you watch
Speaker 3: that movie and you see the way they're dressed and
Speaker 3: you think, oh, the early nineties, No, they were dressed
Speaker 3: like badly and stupidly even for that really, but it's
Speaker 3: like it's like that's not how they dressed Hills High School,
Speaker 3: I don't think. But like but but it's it's over,
Speaker 3: you remember it. You'll you'll never forget seeing her in
Speaker 3: that yellow. You know it wasn't Vivian West, what it couldn't.
Speaker 1: Have, but it feels like it. It feels like it
Speaker 1: speaks in that world. I can't say what designer it.
Speaker 3: Was, but there's this stuff that you go out of
Speaker 3: your way. You have to go out of your way
Speaker 3: to make it memorable and iconic. This to say anything thing,
Speaker 3: it's like who holds a like that doesn't move no one.
Speaker 1: But but it made it iconic drama. It's so good,
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And then the other ones. I mean, like I'm obsess
Speaker 2: with that whole seventies eighties movies.
Speaker 1: ET is like that, just like I could watch it over.
Speaker 2: And over again. It's super emotional. You watch ET now,
Speaker 2: it's like it's an indie film, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Looks like the biggest block like an indie.
Speaker 2: Jaws feels like an indie film.
Speaker 3: Oh, Jaws is It's unbelievable that that's the huge of
Speaker 3: a blockbuster as it is because of how slow moving
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Yo, there's this great story about the the director who
Speaker 2: who did Paper Moon Bugdanovitch, we run Peter Banianovitch runs
Speaker 2: into runs into Stielberg at like the Boston like Logan
Speaker 2: Airport and Pteielberg had just shot on Martha's vineyard, shot Jaws,
Speaker 2: and he's like, how did it go? And he was
Speaker 2: just like, there's a shark. It's a disaster. We don't
Speaker 2: have the movie. Oh, it's just like one of those
Speaker 2: funny stories where like they leave the movie set thinking
Speaker 2: they don't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right, right right. They were like, well,
Speaker 1: this was.
Speaker 3: A huge catastroph and I think they found it a
Speaker 3: lot in post in editing, and then it changed the
Speaker 3: movie industry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we had that we don't think twice
Speaker 2: to some degree. You know, there's that speech where Chris
Speaker 2: Cathery goes, I think your twenties are about hope. In
Speaker 2: your thirties are about realizing how dumb it was to hope.
Speaker 2: We added that in post because Ira Glass, one of
Speaker 2: our producers, we were watching the movie and he goes,
Speaker 2: the audience doesn't get when we show cuts to people.
Speaker 2: They don't get that. They know they're losers, they know
Speaker 2: they're under the characters, characters. I know they're underdogs, and
Speaker 2: so we would have a We showed it. We did
Speaker 2: a screening at NPR Downtown and these two these two
Speaker 2: ladies got up and they were like, we was a
Speaker 2: feedback screening in the early cut, and they go, we
Speaker 2: don't like it, and you go, why don't you like it?
Speaker 2: Ira goes, why don't you like it? They'll lose it?
Speaker 2: And what was so funny? We went back to the edit.
Speaker 2: We're like, they're losers. They're losers, but like, how can
Speaker 2: we think it's funny that they're losers? But they know it?
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, we haven't. The characters haven't acknowledged it.
Speaker 2: They know what they are. Yeah, And so we're like,
Speaker 2: what if we shot a scene where they're packing up
Speaker 2: and they're moving out of the theater and Chris Catherid goes,
Speaker 2: your twenties are about hoping. Your thirties about realizing how
Speaker 2: dumb it was to hope change the whole screening everyone
Speaker 2: isn't great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also such a smart way to convey all
Speaker 1: of that. That's a lot to communicate, and you did
Speaker 1: it all in that one and that one scene.
Speaker 2: Thanks. It's a funny thing, like even writing my movie,
Speaker 2: right now that I'm writing, it's like you really have
Speaker 2: to toe the line. I mean, how much do the
Speaker 2: characters get what's funny about them?
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because like Gilmore Girls is like that super
Speaker 2: witty right, like they're in on it, but they're almost
Speaker 2: not exactly they like they they know that they're codependent
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and yet to what extent or something.
Speaker 3: It's like a really interesting thing that you bring up
Speaker 3: that these women like, we don't like the movie because
Speaker 3: they're losers. Because I actually think one of the things
Speaker 3: about Don't Think Twice that shook me to my core
Speaker 3: so much when I watched it, and now I see it,
Speaker 3: I see it now looking back, and I fucking love
Speaker 3: the movie and I appreciate it in a way I
Speaker 3: didn't at the time because I felt so defensive. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think your movie Don't Think Twice, it really
Speaker 3: makes you think about yourself.
Speaker 1: And especially if you were doing comedy in that time,
Speaker 1: doing improv and yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: I just remember thinking, like, this is a mean depiction
Speaker 3: of our community.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that your character.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use an explicit word that upsets people, but
Speaker 3: You're a character calls Tammy Sagre's character a cunt, and
Speaker 3: I remember I was just like, I can't believe.
Speaker 1: But now I think that that was such a brave,
Speaker 1: bold thing to do.
Speaker 3: Weirdly enough, because it really showed ugliness and envy and
Speaker 3: in like a very abject, painful personal way. And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that like anyone that we knew or even
Speaker 3: us went as far or as shallow as any of this.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, like, it's an incredibly intense situation
Speaker 3: that you're depicting, because it's kind of like being a
Speaker 3: kid and not knowing that the world is bigger when
Speaker 3: you are confronted with what you assume is the only
Speaker 3: job in the world for you and it doesn't go
Speaker 3: that well, it's about everything else.
Speaker 1: Everything else breaks down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And friendship's so intense, like every when I was
Speaker 2: writing that movie, I was hosting a Q and A
Speaker 2: with Noah bombback for the movie While We're Young, I
Speaker 2: think it was, or maybe it was friends. It's I Forget,
Speaker 2: And I said to Mike, I'm writing this movie about
Speaker 2: an improv group and they're best friends and one of
Speaker 2: them gets on SNL and there are some don't. I go,
Speaker 2: but the people giving me notes are like, the stakes
Speaker 2: aren't high enough. And he goes, I know, it's the
Speaker 2: funniest thing because it depicted, you know, indicative of all
Speaker 2: of his movies. He goes, there's no stakes higher than friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great. Yeah, as we just sit here and just
Speaker 2: say the word yeah fifty times. But it's I want
Speaker 2: this to be our engagement of a deeper friendship between
Speaker 2: the three of us. Yes, because I feel like whenever
Speaker 2: I see you guys, whenever we run into each other,
Speaker 2: it's like I think there's love.
Speaker 1: I think there is that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we should spend more time together. Well, you
Speaker 2: you are good with the gays. Oh yeah, the gaze.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He is old friends with Jordan Ardino.
Speaker 2: Really Gilmore Girls. Yeah, is high school and college friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah really Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in California, California to Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Yeah ah yeah, Yeah. Jordan's amazing. There's a great writer.
Speaker 1: He's a great writer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He and I were that in That's great same screen
Speaker 1: writing class in college. Oh really, we were close friends.
Speaker 2: In high school and then he came to visit me
Speaker 2: when I was in college. He was at Tough and
Speaker 2: then he was just like, I just want to go here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so we transfer. We went to college together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we wanted to go to Georgetown. A lot of not hugs.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of.
Speaker 1: That's a really number thirty.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Georgetown.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of hugs.
Speaker 2: I would say you. I don't want to speak for Jordan,
Speaker 2: but I think I can say it's a lot of Man,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of hugs.
Speaker 1: You and I both well, we don't have to bring
Speaker 1: in that's nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about ny you necessarily.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you and I you you not
Speaker 1: got very different amounts of hugs growing up. I would say, well,
Speaker 1: it's funny at the same school at the same as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, n Yu was different, But I think we're I
Speaker 3: think we were both there for different traumas.
Speaker 1: That's not related to hugging or not hugging.
Speaker 3: But I think that something that's so clear is like,
Speaker 3: it's good that you hug.
Speaker 2: Your daughter a lot.
Speaker 1: And I don't want you to think about it.
Speaker 3: Because I think what you're doing is you're teaching her
Speaker 3: what real love is. And a lot of people have
Speaker 3: and something I don't think I understand because I'm privileged
Speaker 3: to genuinely know what real love is because my parents
Speaker 3: have always shown me real love and have always been
Speaker 3: very good with me in terms of that is a
Speaker 3: lot of people just.
Speaker 1: Don't baseline know that.
Speaker 3: They don't baseline know what it really is to be
Speaker 3: cared for and to have someone at the end of
Speaker 3: the day that's going to say I love you. And
Speaker 3: I think that I didn't realize that was such a privilege,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like until I was you know,
Speaker 3: having like conflicts with people later in life or you know,
Speaker 3: things work out, I don't work out whatever with different people,
Speaker 3: and you're just realizing, oh, I'm operating with a different
Speaker 3: emotional deck.
Speaker 1: Yeh, thank god.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. It's funny when you, yeah, if you
Speaker 2: get into like a petty disagreement with somebody and sometimes
Speaker 2: they go so hard on it and you and you
Speaker 2: have to step back and just be like, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're all just doing our best, right, you know, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree with you, like it's yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 1: Definitely more better to love more than less, right, And
Speaker 1: even in the moments in the special, I'll say where
Speaker 1: you're like, a huge part of my life is going
Speaker 1: to children's birthday parties. I like, oo when I can
Speaker 1: grow up and hear that and think, oh, like my
Speaker 1: dad is making is like exasperated by this thing that
Speaker 1: he had to do for me, and he's like, is
Speaker 1: that something resentful? But no, even in that, You're like,
Speaker 1: I do this thing. I show up for my daughter, right,
Speaker 1: and it's this thing that I can joke about hating
Speaker 1: because it'll make this room full of people and adults laugh.
Speaker 2: Yeah she can.
Speaker 1: I think it is so clear with that messages to her,
Speaker 1: which is my dad loves me.
Speaker 2: He takes me to these birthday parties.
Speaker 1: Yes, showed up.
Speaker 2: I had to talk through a joke with her the
Speaker 2: other day that was in the special because it's going
Speaker 2: to be seen by a lot of people, and you know,
Speaker 2: I had to be like, because there's a joke, I say,
Speaker 2: she doesn't have it. Yeah, yeah, explain that.
Speaker 1: Explain that to that, because I remember listening to it.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's it, that's a that's a pretty.
Speaker 2: Rough So I said to her, I go, there's this joke,
Speaker 2: and I say. We went to my wife and I
Speaker 2: went to our daughter's ballet recital and we're in the
Speaker 2: audience crying, crying because she doesn't have it, you know.
Speaker 2: Then I go, no, we're crying because she's not going
Speaker 2: dollars on the lessons and hundreds of hours going to
Speaker 2: rehearsal and she's not going properly. And then I go,
Speaker 2: I go, no, No, we're crying for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: And then afterwards I'm squeezing O. You know, you were
Speaker 2: so fantastic. And she said to me, it's true to life.
Speaker 2: She goes, Dad, you would say it was fantastic even
Speaker 2: if I wasn't fantastic. I said, that is so true.
Speaker 2: You are so much better at logic than you are
Speaker 2: at ballet, right, I go, I didn't I left out
Speaker 2: that last part. I'm going to say that to when
Speaker 2: she's fifteen and she tells, Ma'm garbage, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say I had some candid thoughts about you as well
Speaker 2: when you were seven that I withheld out of respect.
Speaker 2: But I did share with a group of strangers at
Speaker 2: the Beacon Theater. But I explained it to Una in
Speaker 2: relation to I go, sometimes jokes are something that is
Speaker 2: true and then something that is the opposite of true.
Speaker 2: Or completely not true or a variation on true. And
Speaker 2: the show the special that I wrote is a series
Speaker 2: of things where it's like true, not true, true, not true, true,
Speaker 2: silly true, silly. And then at the end of the
Speaker 2: movie or the end I have sometimes a complation with movies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: at the end of the show, it lands untrue. And
Speaker 2: because it lands untrue, I think the audience knows, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this person's in earnest. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the and the true thing about this special is
Speaker 1: the way a parent loves their child.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And understanding my dad after he's had a
Speaker 2: stroke and realizing when his defenses are down and he
Speaker 2: doesn't have the anger that he had before the stroke
Speaker 2: that I do think like he meant.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, that is a whole can of worms,
Speaker 3: because especially because you know, men as they get older
Speaker 3: and the estrogen creep up, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: it's they get more emotional, and I think they get
Speaker 3: more contemplative.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just harder for.
Speaker 3: Men to look back on being men like because so
Speaker 3: much of it is just not cruel, but it's rough,
Speaker 3: and it's speaking to this idea of what a man is,
Speaker 3: which can never really be justified in the way that
Speaker 3: we accepted it for such a long time.
Speaker 1: But I think that's.
Speaker 3: Really hard for men as they get older, as they
Speaker 3: look back and they they have regrets about trying to
Speaker 3: attain that idea of what it means to be a
Speaker 3: man and no absolutely and all those things. And I've
Speaker 3: had a couple emotional conversations with my dad about you know,
Speaker 3: one time, it was after we taped my special and
Speaker 3: he was expressing I think we had had a few
Speaker 3: drinks and he was expressing some regrets about you know whatever,
Speaker 3: like it like having a gay son and not feeling
Speaker 3: like you didn't get it right.
Speaker 1: And I had to like tell him, I was.
Speaker 3: Like, you got to let yourself off the hook, because
Speaker 3: nothing you ever did was because you didn't love me.
Speaker 1: You were trying your best and like, and it is.
Speaker 3: A moment that I think, I'm I'm obviously very happy
Speaker 3: I had and I and I will have can continue
Speaker 3: to have because of that moment. But it's really hard,
Speaker 3: like men relating to each other in that type of way.
Speaker 3: That's why I think it's so beautiful that like you
Speaker 3: have that like open channel with your with your child,
Speaker 3: because it's like it takes some people a really long time.
Speaker 3: And I always heard I love you from my dad.
Speaker 3: I always heard proud of you, always heard those things.
Speaker 3: But it's just it's just interesting, like as as men
Speaker 3: get older, like it can be uncomfortable to have those
Speaker 3: types of conversations, like even just when you put your
Speaker 3: hand on his shoulder and rubbed his shoulder like that
Speaker 3: probably took a lot lot, Yeah, but but those are
Speaker 3: really those are so important because what if, Because what
Speaker 3: if you didn't you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we talked about that when you were on
Speaker 2: my podcast a lot with your parents, because you had
Speaker 2: the challenging stuff, which I really hope you should do
Speaker 2: a solo show someday.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Yeah, that's thing there. There's there's definitely. I
Speaker 1: mean I did even do it underground, so such a
Speaker 1: jumbled mess of the show. I don't even know what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do with it, but uh, there's
Speaker 1: there's something there for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just am still making sense of it, and we're
Speaker 1: still talking about it as a family, and it's all
Speaker 1: it's all okay, it's all, it's all true.
Speaker 2: Do they say I'm proud of you?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: They do?
Speaker 1: Do they now they do, but it took them a
Speaker 1: while and they came to the show a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago and just I took them out for Mother's Day
Speaker 1: and a lovely we have a lovely time now. I
Speaker 1: also want to say your show was not a mess.
Speaker 3: You were just you. It was not a mess. You
Speaker 3: were just in process. On you were so in process
Speaker 3: and the feelings. It's kind of like what we were
Speaker 3: saying last week about like Marsha P. Johnson not having
Speaker 3: correct recollection of Stonewall because she was Stonewall. It's like
Speaker 3: you were literally going on. I was was the pit.
Speaker 3: You were all those experiences and emotions at the time.
Speaker 3: So it's of course you weren't going to create like
Speaker 3: you know what, especially you with a high bar for yourself,
Speaker 3: feels like cohesive salient to art about this thing that
Speaker 3: you were like enduring.
Speaker 1: That was me squarely in the zone of what I
Speaker 1: here Glass talks about, which is there's that gap between
Speaker 1: like the taste that you have and like what you
Speaker 1: can accomplish, yes, as someone who makes things.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, when I remember doing a completely messy
Speaker 2: version of Sleepwalk with Me my first solo show, which
Speaker 2: eventually years later was off Broadway and Nathan Lane presented
Speaker 2: it and it was just a real beautiful thing that
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to do the movie and I
Speaker 2: remade the movie and it was it was. But the
Speaker 2: first versions of it at UCB were so rough because
Speaker 2: it was like me just being like, here, here's this
Speaker 2: breakup I had, and like, like the emotions are so
Speaker 2: raw and I've been sleepwalking and it's a metaphor for this,
Speaker 2: Like I was so on the nose. And then I
Speaker 2: remember like the artistic director at the time pulled me
Speaker 2: aside and he was like, hey, I think you should
Speaker 2: see Dimitri Martin's show, Like you should do more like jokes.
Speaker 1: Was this Anthony King who was this I.
Speaker 2: Can say he's a great guy.
Speaker 1: I owned Burke and I feel like we've talked.
Speaker 2: About He's like you figured it out, yeah, But it
Speaker 2: was funny like sometimes when you were in the wilderness artistically,
Speaker 2: like it's not because you're not going at the right
Speaker 2: thing like I was going at like I want to
Speaker 2: make an emotional show, but also I hadn't figured out
Speaker 2: the joke side of it. I have figure to your
Speaker 2: nice thing you were saying about my shows, how it's
Speaker 2: like silences and then jokes and then serious moments.
Speaker 1: And then jokes. Uh, Like I didn't figure that out yet.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's I'm also like, I'm really feeling very seen
Speaker 3: by you talking about like and like true false true
Speaker 3: false true false, and then it ends on a false
Speaker 3: or true, Like my special the one I've done ends
Speaker 3: on a false, and I think it's and I'm so
Speaker 3: happy about it. Yeah, that being said, like, I do
Speaker 3: think that that's one extension of myself and I want
Speaker 3: so badly to say something real and true about myself, but.
Speaker 1: It's the hardest thing to do.
Speaker 3: I think that's why you had strife with it all
Speaker 3: those years ago, doing that, because you were deeply trying
Speaker 3: to say something true about yourself, which is fucking hard,
Speaker 3: especially when you're at like a comedy festival, but yet
Speaker 3: also tasked with like this thing of like this is
Speaker 3: a solo show and opportunity that you're being given, right,
Speaker 3: And it's like, I think we all want to be poignant,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't always happen.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: If there's a question here that I'm saying, is it's
Speaker 3: like how uncomfortable is your process?
Speaker 2: Very uncomfortable? Yeah, Like, like every step of the way.
Speaker 2: Like some nights I'm on stage and I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: there's that moment in the show where I go, I
Speaker 2: didn't have a sex talk when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: but when I was twelve, I had hard nipples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and suddenly you're exposed out there with your hard
Speaker 3: nipples again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I go, exactly right, and so I go,
Speaker 2: I tell my dad because I thought I was hypochondriac
Speaker 2: as a kid, and so I told my dad, like,
Speaker 2: I think I have cancer. Right, He's like, take your
Speaker 2: shirt off. We're in like my living room.
Speaker 1: It's like a truth, completely true story.
Speaker 2: What's weird, Actually, I'll tell you the very I'll tell
Speaker 2: you the variation on it is like I had to
Speaker 2: take this part out. It wasn't in the living room,
Speaker 2: it was in his bedroom. But it was so weird
Speaker 2: because the audience was reading. It's like always got to
Speaker 2: get the less yeah, right, you had to walk them
Speaker 2: away from that. I got. So he was like, take
Speaker 2: your shirt off in the living room, take my shirt off,
Speaker 2: and he felt my hard, hard nipples, and I go,
Speaker 2: and I go, and it was nice, you know, going
Speaker 2: There wasn't a lot of physical.
Speaker 1: Affection the family. You were being reassured by a doctor
Speaker 1: and your father.
Speaker 2: So the first few times exactly the first few times
Speaker 2: I said that, first forty times I said it, it
Speaker 2: was just like this is so uncomfortable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even had people like in my inner circle creatively
Speaker 1: be like they.
Speaker 2: Got the nipples part, because you do get that sometimes
Speaker 2: where even people who are close to what your process
Speaker 2: is or like I think the audience is not here
Speaker 2: for that, but then you got sometimes you just gotta
Speaker 2: be like, no, this is like this has happened because
Speaker 2: it fully happened is like part of the story I'm telling.
Speaker 1: But what you're saying with like sleepwalk with me like
Speaker 1: you were you were in the wilderness. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: process in general for anybody is just a wilderness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie I'm writing right now, I'm in a wilderness.
Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, that's all part of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think something too, And I think I often when
Speaker 3: we have like music artists in this chair too, this
Speaker 3: question comes up, and also with reality stars or anyone
Speaker 3: that's like exposing the part of themselves, which is obviously
Speaker 3: anyone in that chair probably is. I don't think I
Speaker 3: ever really understood the stakes of what happens when you
Speaker 3: involve a depiction and of someone else in your life,
Speaker 3: and that is what trips me up. Sometimes. It is
Speaker 3: really hard for me to think if I say this
Speaker 3: thing about myself, I'm saying this thing about someone else,
Speaker 3: and I feel like that's Unfortunately, if you're someone that
Speaker 3: wants to create work and art, like, it's probably the
Speaker 3: ugly stuff, you know what I mean. And that's not
Speaker 3: just outly stuff about you, it'sthly stuff about people you
Speaker 3: probably care about or don't ever want to talk to
Speaker 3: you again.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's never someone in the middle, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like I either really care about this person and
Speaker 3: therefore they're worthwhile including or this person.
Speaker 2: But even even fiction is that. Like I had people
Speaker 2: in my life come up to me and be like
Speaker 2: I'm the character and don't think twice, who's the.
Speaker 1: Rich girl and you're like yeah, No, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're the gilly.
Speaker 2: And sometimes they wrong, they're wrong.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it gets wrong.
Speaker 5: To My parents saw Sleepwalk with Me the movie Yeah,
Speaker 5: and Carol Canon James Rebhorn as my parents say these
Speaker 5: lines that literally my parents said in real life, and
Speaker 5: and I was worried about my parents seeing it.
Speaker 2: And they came out of the movie and they go,
Speaker 2: they're nothing like us. Mmmmm somehow like we can't even
Speaker 2: see ourselves.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you never can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, only you have the real bibliography on your experiences
Speaker 3: with them because you saw it.
Speaker 1: They didn't see it. They were it right right, But
Speaker 1: either like someone comes up to you and like validates
Speaker 1: or like I don't know, like entrenches those things even
Speaker 1: more where you were like, oh, I like had it
Speaker 1: was a huge decision to include you in some way
Speaker 1: in this like depiction of reality, or it's your parents
Speaker 1: being like that wasn't that was enough. It's like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's like you can't really even win with that there.
Speaker 1: It never goes the way you want it to.
Speaker 2: You guys have a lucky thing, I think, which is
Speaker 2: your close friends and you have like a creative partnership
Speaker 2: with this show, which I think is so lovely because
Speaker 2: you get to share that people like I love the show,
Speaker 2: like everyone, like I know tons of people love the show.
Speaker 2: It's like you guys get that together, which I think
Speaker 2: is not less lonely. I think we're very fortunate and
Speaker 2: being a lone wolf, I pultn't do it. You really
Speaker 2: do it alone?
Speaker 1: What do you mean Like like I couldn't. I can't
Speaker 1: have my own podcast where I was just kind of
Speaker 1: riffing on culture and then the commenting on things and
Speaker 1: then like like I like you're always my gut check
Speaker 1: in terms of like do I share this little anecdote, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It's it's kind of nice to like it.
Speaker 3: It's it's really interesting because because we're also so close
Speaker 3: like that we we have this, we protect the same
Speaker 3: things pretty much, but also like in terms of like
Speaker 3: the sharing of it all, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like it's also like you can never I can, we
Speaker 3: can never give everything about like about everything. But you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying is it's like it's that's I
Speaker 3: think that's like why they don't think twice of it all.
Speaker 1: It just recalls such a specific era that like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a trauma. Of course it is, But
Speaker 1: I think that's why I love it now.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, like I wanted to live your life like I
Speaker 2: when I was at Georgetown, I was like saying to
Speaker 2: my parents, I want to transfer to n y U
Speaker 2: and be a theater uh huh, And they're like no, you.
Speaker 1: Know when I got a full No, you got a
Speaker 1: full note? Well good, I mean, I know it's good.
Speaker 3: Everyone wanted to be someone else exactly still literally still dies.
Speaker 3: But I remember, like I was in school at M
Speaker 3: y U and I wanted to be doing something else,
Speaker 3: and everyone's always like, I'm sure you because.
Speaker 1: I was pre mad. Of course I was, but I
Speaker 1: was doing improv, you know what I mean? Like I
Speaker 1: wanted to be something else.
Speaker 2: You knew that.
Speaker 1: Of course when I was a kid, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like I would.
Speaker 2: I would be like I want to go to Boston
Speaker 2: an audition for commercials. Yeah, are like, fuck, no, Boston
Speaker 2: audition for commercial What the are you doing about?
Speaker 3: Commercial audition? Tell that you don't know what the fuck
Speaker 3: it is. It's like, looks at the camera and half smirks.
Speaker 3: It's like, that's the audition.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go into rooms and do bite and
Speaker 1: smile exactly, ye smile smiles. Have you never done a
Speaker 1: Biden smile? No, I've never done. You want to see
Speaker 1: a sip and smile?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that was probably too big skill noted?
Speaker 2: Is that that was something else?
Speaker 1: Perfectly? I feel like Duncan don't did you ever book
Speaker 1: a commercial.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. I think I was a spokesperson
Speaker 2: for like a cable and internet company in the South
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not.
Speaker 4: I don't love it.
Speaker 2: I don't love it.
Speaker 1: I don't love it.
Speaker 2: I kind of wish you didn't. So yeah, fine, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Straight up commercial. I never did a straight up commercial.
Speaker 1: And then I went to one commercial audition because like
Speaker 1: someone at uc B was like, yeah, I'm going, I'm
Speaker 1: going on this thing if you want to come, And
Speaker 1: it was so humiliating.
Speaker 3: It was really impossible to leave feeling good.
Speaker 1: And you've become straight and I've become straight and I
Speaker 1: never thought that happened.
Speaker 2: But Jordan Nardina texted me last night just crying, laughing
Speaker 2: at the boat inside.
Speaker 3: It's the only it's the only one I can barely watch.
Speaker 3: For some reason, when I watched him make up with women,
Speaker 3: I have I have an outrage.
Speaker 1: Why I don't like it? I want you again.
Speaker 2: That gets me is her showing up at your place
Speaker 2: and you're playing video games two in the morning. It's
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, that's tim and then hiding in
Speaker 3: the lost school trees, so sure and honestly it is.
Speaker 3: It is my favorite sketch because it's clearly it's it's like,
Speaker 3: but it's just like we were watching it.
Speaker 1: We were in his dressing room for the finale, and
Speaker 1: you were watching it with us in the room. I
Speaker 1: wanted to say, I want to surprise Matt with the
Speaker 1: Lost School Trees to sure.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see it was so fun.
Speaker 3: And then he comes in making out with sorry checks
Speaker 3: notes Scarlet Johanson.
Speaker 1: And I just go like I should, like it's a
Speaker 1: horror movie. I'm like, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's because college just gonna have a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five because it's Lost Culture Awards too, that's right.
Speaker 2: So it's in that sketch. It's Lost Culture Award. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we're we're we're putting it together now
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be it's gonna be something.
Speaker 2: Because Lost Culture Awards you campaign huge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna campaign.
Speaker 2: Can I do? What can I do to campaign? Did
Speaker 2: you guys have a strategy? Hen strategize with me? Yet
Speaker 2: be able to do as step one? Best dat Award? Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm a brainstorming category. There was a Daddy Award, the
Speaker 2: Father Award, Daddy Word Father Award, and the Daddy Award
Speaker 2: was won by Pedro Pascal. The Father Award was uh
Speaker 2: who who won the Father Award last year?
Speaker 1: It wasn't Seth Myers. It wasn't. I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to campaign necessary. I think being on this episode
Speaker 1: of campaign like you're absolutely top of mind with special
Speaker 1: and with the listeners being and then you're in the
Speaker 1: mix of yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel like this was an amazing six straight
Speaker 3: man to have. Absolutely this is the straight mail guess straight.
Speaker 2: It's huge, it's a deep honor.
Speaker 1: It's six. It's not eight. Yeah, it's not eight. It's
Speaker 1: six or seven. And we're not listening. We don't want
Speaker 1: to make a big thing out of this, but but
Speaker 1: it's a big dealer. Gays, do you feel like gays
Speaker 1: come up to you on the street they're like, hey girl.
Speaker 1: I think I get a lot of gays impression.
Speaker 2: I think, like the thing that's hilarious about my audience
Speaker 2: is sometimes when people come up to me there and
Speaker 2: it's like it's like some like para shaped middle aged
Speaker 2: ogre dad. It's just like I totally relate to everything
Speaker 2: he's like, come on, I want that.
Speaker 1: I want the dad.
Speaker 2: I know. But sometimes wouldn't it be great if someone
Speaker 2: came up to you and they're so hot and like,
Speaker 2: I totally relate to everything you say. It's just like
Speaker 2: my pilates class.
Speaker 1: That's why we have the Kyles.
Speaker 3: Now we have we have a new subsect of a
Speaker 3: fan community called the Kyles. And sometimes the Kyle will
Speaker 3: come up and I just can't believe that they almost
Speaker 3: drop their weight to the gym. They laugh so hard exactly,
Speaker 3: which is what they say.
Speaker 1: They say sometimes, so you should, you should come up
Speaker 1: with your own buckets of of your fans like like
Speaker 1: like like really visualize the person, give them a name
Speaker 1: and then and then you will start to see them.
Speaker 1: But you know what it is. It is Katie. You
Speaker 1: have a ton of Katies.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Katie's is twenty eight year old twenty eight
Speaker 3: to thirty five year old communications major from the Midwest
Speaker 3: name Katie.
Speaker 1: They're all named Katie. Okay, started asking them their names.
Speaker 1: I know I'm most proud of.
Speaker 2: With my audience is I always say like it's age
Speaker 2: twelve through one hundred and twelve, Like.
Speaker 1: I see, I was gonna say, you are really for
Speaker 1: a quadrant, whereas we are people who are constantly approached
Speaker 1: by men and go, my girlfriend loves you, which is
Speaker 1: so sweet. But also it's never like I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: which which is okay.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, a lot of them I've been
Speaker 3: noticing because they're they're excited to initiate the conversation because
Speaker 3: their girlfriends are nervous, and but they come up and
Speaker 3: they initiate the conversation and I can tell it gets
Speaker 3: them laid. So they're so excited, and that I think
Speaker 3: will make them listen because I think, and you know,
Speaker 3: some of them they want to be shy about how
Speaker 3: much they know, because, as I said, masculinity is hard
Speaker 3: to deal with when you're still I guess, like you know,
Speaker 3: when it's all ahead of you still.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, don't be shy. Boys, it's okay to
Speaker 1: like lost culch.
Speaker 2: It's okay, that's right.
Speaker 1: Look, luc who's here. You know who's great at a
Speaker 1: great straight male who will all often say how much
Speaker 1: he loves the show. John ham Will Steven, writer of
Speaker 1: Bonus Straight. But sometimes with August White, that's a real ally.
Speaker 2: We love you.
Speaker 1: Well, Okay, it's time for I don't think so around.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go first, did you type it out?
Speaker 1: So we wing in here?
Speaker 3: I have something that you know, I didn't realize was
Speaker 3: a thing until last night. I was at dinner and
Speaker 3: I was made aware and this has rocked my world.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to go after restaurant cure here.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so money. As
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 3: When mocktails are almost as expensive or as expensive as cocktails,
Speaker 3: I am not even a part of the sober community.
Speaker 3: And I am outraged on behalf of the sober community
Speaker 3: because let me tell you what the expensive part of
Speaker 3: a cocktail is the alcohol. So why for grenadine, orange juice,
Speaker 3: bitters maybe and like a little bit of soda water?
Speaker 3: Am I paying twelve dollars? I don't think it's fair.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: I also want to directly say.
Speaker 3: Where this is happening, which is where I have my
Speaker 3: new home, Lower Manhattan. I don't think so honey. This
Speaker 3: is a lot of you guys. I'm telling you, you
Speaker 3: know a rock you had a fourteen dollars mocktail, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't care how big.
Speaker 3: The orange is no, because I'll tell you what's only
Speaker 3: a couple bucks in orange a whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I don't care that the slice is that big. Yes,
Speaker 1: you made it look expensive. That's so different than being expensive.
Speaker 3: I mean, for example, I could walk in here wearing
Speaker 3: a white suit. I'm not Zendea or Anasy. At the medgala,
Speaker 3: they cost a million dollars. I cast six. I don't
Speaker 3: think so harm and that's women. You are more than
Speaker 3: six dollars. Yeah, but you know what, though, not not really.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying that like these these cocktails in Monk's infuriating.
Speaker 2: It's infuriating.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I feel like they are maybe offsetting
Speaker 1: that by like, no, actually there's no explanation. I'm only
Speaker 1: and you know what. It's like, it's like, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what.
Speaker 3: The alcoholics don't miss paying for the alcohol, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: So it's like they might miss the alcohol, they can't
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 1: They're not missing the prices.
Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, you know what, I really miss
Speaker 3: hitting it hard and paying nine dollars for a Heineken
Speaker 3: You know what, it would be great nine bucks for
Speaker 3: a Heineken zero, which is essentially piss.
Speaker 2: They should be like, here's an orange juice and an
Speaker 2: edible honestly fifty really good ideas. Do you even something else? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or it's you know what, it's like, what would
Speaker 3: that even be? I mean, you know it's like they
Speaker 3: I guess you know what they try to get away with.
Speaker 3: They're using the nice glassware too. Yeah, but but you
Speaker 3: don't care for that.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no, that's not part of the experience.
Speaker 2: Or you get to keep it.
Speaker 1: You get to keep it like a souvenir glass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I used to be big into souvenir glass culture.
Speaker 3: And then I'll tell you what. You have a lot
Speaker 3: of huge cups you never drink out of use.
Speaker 2: That's really what I on a shelf, Maroon mug. That's
Speaker 2: totally that.
Speaker 1: That's really good way I want to think. Maru magg
Speaker 1: And you're talking about in LA like you always struck
Speaker 1: me as pure New York but I am, I am.
Speaker 1: But you do have this this really good world and
Speaker 1: worldliness about Los Angeles that I like.
Speaker 2: Then, you know, I've been in show business for like
Speaker 2: what twenty three years, and you just you know, where
Speaker 2: go back and forth and and you know, I have
Speaker 2: my spots. I like a loose felas Marou. I mean
Speaker 2: I have places I really like aspirational. Yeah yeah, aspirational
Speaker 2: it is. But you are in New York, Okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm through and through New York. I can't imagine living
Speaker 2: anywhere else. I saw this Adam op Next solo show
Speaker 2: the other day, and he has this beautiful piece where
Speaker 2: he talks about how his favorite place on the planet
Speaker 2: is Central Park because it's just this place where everyone
Speaker 2: is in like a social pact to be like, we're
Speaker 2: gonna come to this place that's completely manufactured and completely fake,
Speaker 2: but there's beautiful trees and beautiful statues and everyone. There's
Speaker 2: no premium pricing for a different part of the park.
Speaker 2: We're all just at the goddamn Central.
Speaker 1: Park and it's great. It's like that I love New York.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like and I have frustrations with it,
Speaker 2: of course, but also you know, look, we're all in it.
Speaker 3: It's so funny coming back to New York and being
Speaker 3: like a New Yorker again too, because the first thing
Speaker 3: that happens is you start to be real opinionated about
Speaker 3: New York shit. I am ready to crack skulls about
Speaker 3: the subway by the way, like I'll get up my
Speaker 3: one time, I'll get political. I can't believe Cuomo is
Speaker 3: this far ahead.
Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy, It's fucking insane following that race, is
Speaker 2: he ahead? Oh sixty forty? Oh? Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But like I think it's just it's just name recognition.
Speaker 1: Is what's kind of it's name recognition.
Speaker 2: I've got, I've got I've.
Speaker 3: Got a frivolous one friller. Yeah, maybe that's a good dragon,
Speaker 3: that's a great tech.
Speaker 1: No, this is what I wanted to say, the only
Speaker 1: good dragona that I've come up with. And this is
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say, the most annoying sentence in
Speaker 1: the world. This is what I wanted to say. At
Speaker 1: the end of my Criterion Closet video. My drag name
Speaker 1: would be Janis Films. Okay, oh Janie Films.
Speaker 3: I just opened my calculator instead of my tim around
Speaker 3: ten million, I want or like I just added five
Speaker 3: million to five million.
Speaker 2: You were just brainswimming what Kevin Hart makes the movie
Speaker 2: seven figures?
Speaker 1: It was like, it's probably this is Bowen Yang's I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, his time starts now, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: Plastic hooks on gift bags that you purchase at the
Speaker 1: gift store. You buy a little paper gift bag and
Speaker 1: there's a plastic thing to make it hook. You cannot
Speaker 1: take that off, even with all the gorilla's strength in
Speaker 1: the world, even when there's a perforated little thing there
Speaker 1: that mocks you because you try to tear it off,
Speaker 1: it's not coming off. Now, you got to get a
Speaker 1: damn pair of scissors, Like I have the time in
Speaker 1: thinety seconds to find scissors to trim off this little
Speaker 1: plastic hook thing so that I can actually make it
Speaker 1: presentable to you, so that you don't receive my gift
Speaker 1: and see the plastic cook and the first thought you
Speaker 1: have is of me sliding it off a.
Speaker 2: Little paper source.
Speaker 1: Please find a better way to hang gift bags, maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know, by these string handles that are already
Speaker 1: on them. Rather than put a useless, single use plastic,
Speaker 1: might I add element to these things? And that's one minute? Wow?
Speaker 1: Really clean? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking of course we do.
Speaker 3: I don't even not I didn't know that they were
Speaker 3: four hanging.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: I kind of thought it was one of those just
Speaker 3: annoying things about like.
Speaker 2: There's no classic single used yes plastic sneak attack because
Speaker 2: it doesn't even seem like it's part of it. Nothing.
Speaker 1: It's like that thing is going to go in a
Speaker 1: landfill for it. Absolutely, it's never it's or it'll go
Speaker 1: to our brains. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, what's also crazy when you go to
Speaker 3: CVS and get a receipt like just talk just crazy
Speaker 3: to talk about how much how much room it takes
Speaker 3: off or like how much you don't need it. It's
Speaker 3: like those receipts are still it's crazy, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, I'm just gonna throw this out and they don't
Speaker 1: even give.
Speaker 3: You the option to the receipts. And I feel like
Speaker 3: with these things, it's like what is the what is it?
Speaker 2: It's weird, Like I think in our lifetime it has
Speaker 2: been this thing where we're like we're going to recycle,
Speaker 2: We're gonna save the planet to like the planet's fucked, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna try, and it's such a bummer.
Speaker 3: I've never been angrier than I feel comfortable saying this
Speaker 3: a few years ago. We were on Fire Island and
Speaker 3: a friend of ours had a new boyfriend, and this
Speaker 3: boy and he walks back to us. We're sitting at
Speaker 3: the canteen and he comes back and he goes the
Speaker 3: gaze at the at the at the the docks were
Speaker 3: so annoying.
Speaker 1: Guess what just happened?
Speaker 3: And he goes what he goes, I threw my plastic
Speaker 3: cup in the bay and they yelled at me. We
Speaker 3: were like, excuse me, excuse me. And the guy goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: like I was done with my drink and I threw
Speaker 3: my plastic cup in the bay and they all yelled
Speaker 3: at me. It's like, okay, the planet is dying already.
Speaker 3: And then our friend goes, yeah, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: And I had to walk away.
Speaker 3: I was like, I know, love is blind, I know,
Speaker 3: dick feel good and whole. But no, they didn't break up,
Speaker 3: Thank god, my god. That was That was a moment
Speaker 3: where I had to check my respect someone.
Speaker 1: Proudly I proudly being a litterate nuts. I hate littering.
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: And also, you know there's the fish in there, the fish.
Speaker 2: You know that, you know there's a fishing.
Speaker 3: Well, it's what he said. They're gonna die anyway. Oh God,
Speaker 3: okay kill me then I'm on my way out at
Speaker 3: some point that that is actually text book. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: to get a little academic here. This is n YU
Speaker 3: maybe and I think they taught this at Georgetown as well,
Speaker 3: metabolic rift theory, where it's it's the human disconnect between
Speaker 3: the discarnacter between between man and nature, and it makes use.
Speaker 3: It makes it so that you don't understand that this
Speaker 3: came from something and that you throwing it out the
Speaker 3: window or throwing it into the water is actually the
Speaker 3: reason why you are broken as a person and why
Speaker 3: literally the phrase touch grass is important.
Speaker 1: You need to connect to that anyway. Microbiglia, you have
Speaker 1: a written I don't think so, honey, and we are
Speaker 1: very and there's a reason for this at the end
Speaker 1: because it could have been on your phone. This is
Speaker 1: micro Bigley is I don't think so many and it's
Speaker 1: time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Hating on people who try hard, Literally,
Speaker 2: everyone good at anything tries hard, you know, tries hard?
Speaker 2: Tailor you who else? Beyonce?
Speaker 1: You know who else?
Speaker 2: Reygun? The breakdanswer, I'm more suspicious of people who don't
Speaker 2: try hard, or people who lie and say they're not
Speaker 2: trying hard when they are. If someone does something amazing
Speaker 2: and they say it was easy, be suspicious. Not only
Speaker 2: are they lying about it, they also committed crime. Remember
Speaker 2: when Anne Hathaway and James Franco bombed so Hard hosting
Speaker 2: the Ass. James Franco just left. He's a loser and
Speaker 2: I'm hashtag team anne Hathaway, your hand, Hathaway.
Speaker 1: You know who else tries hard? Fantine and lay mish.
Speaker 4: Cy Andrea Saxton, Oh my god, working from her into
Speaker 4: priests hard. She has to show up to work every day,
Speaker 4: sacrificing her relationship with Adrian Greeney's character Nate, who I
Speaker 4: think is a chef but never has to go to
Speaker 4: work for reasons it's never explained. I'm reaching the end
Speaker 4: of my minute, but I want you to know this
Speaker 4: is my fifth draft of this. You know I'm telling
Speaker 4: you because if you're a fellow try hard, you deserve
Speaker 4: to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one man is.
Speaker 3: Really good, and you know what, You're right? And I
Speaker 3: never liked Meate and Devilworth.
Speaker 1: I never liked It's ridiculous, outrageous character outrageous. And this
Speaker 1: is the thing, this is I'm gonna misquote Dorian Gray.
Speaker 1: But the people who are not in the arena don't
Speaker 1: know the pleasures of don't don't know the triumphs, and
Speaker 1: so therefore how could they know anything about defeat or
Speaker 1: something like that, you know what it is?
Speaker 3: Yes, And also it's just like it's like you talking
Speaker 3: about your hard nipples on stage or having strife emotional
Speaker 3: strife about being vulnerable. It's like it's because you know
Speaker 3: it's going to take work to get there, and then
Speaker 3: you are exposed. And it's like it's so easy for
Speaker 3: people to be like fuck her about someone who tried
Speaker 3: I because they're trying.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like I'm so over that.
Speaker 2: It also takes so much effort to hate on people. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got to create a log in.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know there's a workaholic Charlie XCX.
Speaker 3: Literally noted admitted workaholic always has to work. And it's
Speaker 3: just like maybe that can help, like people stop being
Speaker 3: such assholes. It's like someone who's effortless and cool looking
Speaker 3: is working to be that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I can't stand that because I am a try
Speaker 3: hard and type a millennial and it's like for that
Speaker 3: to be uncool, it's like, okay, ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That was a wonderful, wonderful I don't think so. Honey, draft,
Speaker 1: Why do you have to ask why why print it printed?
Speaker 2: Just because it's like draft over draft over draft And
Speaker 2: then I like the paper. It's like a touch draft thing.
Speaker 2: I like, that's good. You're in a way touching tree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm touching tree. I wanted to. I wanted to get
Speaker 2: it right because I'm a huge fan of the segment
Speaker 2: and I just wanted to lay something down that felt
Speaker 2: that felt true to me. Thank you.
Speaker 3: That was really I feel like we we're taking it
Speaker 3: back then there, I really do think because the thing
Speaker 3: about people that don't try hard having the narrative for
Speaker 3: a second, they didn't work hard enough to keep the narrative.
Speaker 1: So now it's just like it's gone.
Speaker 3: You know, power can be wrestled very easily from those
Speaker 3: who wieled power carelessly and thoughtlessly.
Speaker 1: What is that from?
Speaker 3: That actually was our guest last week, Tormaline Tourmaline there
Speaker 3: from incredible biography on Marsha P. Johnson, and that was
Speaker 3: the educational moment of our sect.
Speaker 2: Also, if we try harder, maybe we'll win the next election. Interesting,
Speaker 2: I think maybe we need hard enough. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's part of it. That's probably part of it. It's
Speaker 2: in the mix, in the.
Speaker 3: Mix, it's I think I think it's in the mix.
Speaker 3: Do you think AOC will win the presidency.
Speaker 2: I think it's possible.
Speaker 1: AOC's fire could be pretty cool. She has a message
Speaker 1: that hits.
Speaker 2: I also think Budage is great.
Speaker 1: I mean it might be controversial.
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think controversial.
Speaker 2: No, Sometimes people, oh whatever, they think he's too moderate, this, that, whatever.
Speaker 2: They think he's trying too hard. They think he's trying
Speaker 2: too hard. But I like how he mixes it up
Speaker 2: on Fox stuff like that. I know, like he's willing
Speaker 2: to he's willing to keep it, willing to go there.
Speaker 2: And so he's AOC by the way, and Bernie and Bertie,
Speaker 2: and Bernie's.
Speaker 1: Obviously kind of a legend.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I think both of those people are phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. They can catch a wave. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think they are catching waves. It's just like I think,
Speaker 3: after everything that's gone on, it's like I don't want
Speaker 3: to be that person that's like oh, I'm nervous to
Speaker 3: put up a gay guy or I'm nervous to put
Speaker 3: up a.
Speaker 1: Young I agree, you can't be the nervous person. I
Speaker 1: refuse to be.
Speaker 3: But it's like there's truly people out there who just
Speaker 3: solely think I'm a lost because she's a black woman
Speaker 3: or black Indian woman. And it's just like, I feel
Speaker 3: like we need to I don't think that's why she lost.
Speaker 3: And I do think we need to stop saying that
Speaker 3: because if that's the ideology that we go down, like
Speaker 3: we're just gonna end up with cuomos forever.
Speaker 2: I Also, I think if we knew for a year
Speaker 2: out the whole thing with people googling day of who's running,
Speaker 2: Yeah that's real?
Speaker 1: Was it really real?
Speaker 2: Millions of people googling who's running.
Speaker 1: And some of us didn't know, okay, and some of
Speaker 1: us just had to. Some of us just like had
Speaker 1: been how busy he is busy? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hit him.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hit Biden while he's down because
Speaker 2: I'm sympathetic to the hellstep. It's like, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things he could have done for
Speaker 2: the four years also to safeguard democracy. Like there's a lot,
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot going on, pandemic luck going
Speaker 2: but still and just introducing Kamla everyone.
Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, hey, I don't think he knew she was
Speaker 3: there exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm one hundred years old. There's this other lady
Speaker 2: who's fandastic.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Anyway, go pick up Jake Tapper's book Everybody Who, by
Speaker 3: the way, was shaming people for suggesting that there was
Speaker 3: something wrong maybe not or maybe not right with Biden
Speaker 3: for a while.
Speaker 2: And there's a book.
Speaker 1: So I love that. Love that guy. I love that
Speaker 1: dude on Jake Tapper. Yeah, for Jake Tapper's book. The
Speaker 1: Good Life is on Netflix May twenty six.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: We loved it. We loved it.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just the greatest. You really are such
Speaker 3: you're one of the pre eminent storytellers. You're just so
Speaker 3: good up there. You feel so safe when you watch you.
Speaker 3: You always have, and you're getting better to blind you.
Speaker 2: I love you guys so much. This is such an
Speaker 2: honor to be here. If I could only be on
Speaker 2: one podcast, it would be this and this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But this hasn't been so beautiful for me because I
Speaker 1: love bonding.
Speaker 2: Also on all of these movies. I know it's like
Speaker 2: so deep to me. All these movies are so deep
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jorenymy Guard is gonna be a good watch for
Speaker 1: you later. Yes, I can't wait. Thank you for bringing
Speaker 1: that in. And we love you very much and there
Speaker 1: is love and there is friendship. And we're all in
Speaker 1: New York now, so let's let's hand yes when return return.
Speaker 2: When Bowen wrote an email on me about my special
Speaker 2: last night, it made me covel and I wrote about
Speaker 2: my journal.
Speaker 3: Oh the email that we were all one. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: I did an email. I wanted it this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's okay. I'll send you an email.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll write about my gerald tonight that I never
Speaker 2: ever sad of the song.
Speaker 1: I wish I was off booked to Secret Garden.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 6: Anna to see me because the old thing, the DA
Speaker 6: say what everything's made to be broke.
Speaker 2: I just want you to know why.
Speaker 1: I drews watch you to know w how the song ends.
Speaker 1: I jos watch you know. Yeah, it's so good. Hi,
Speaker 1: you're funny. Last Culture Racist is the production by Will
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Speaker 3: Podcasts created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen, yet
Speaker 3: executive produced by Anna Hasnier and produced by Becka Ramos,
Speaker 3: edited mixed by Doug Bamian and Niko Board and our
Speaker 3: music is by Henry Birsky
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