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Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Let's talk Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and Fox Sports Guarantee money isn't necessarily guaranteed. One major

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Speaker 1: of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Evan and Novie Williams,

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Speaker 1: and I'm Michael Barr And this is the Bloomberg Business

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Speaker 1: of Sports podcast, where we explore the big money issues

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Speaker 1: in the world of sports. Today. We are joined by

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Speaker 1: a special guest host, Mike Lynch. He has covered sports

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Speaker 1: for decade, most notably in Boston, and has since started

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Speaker 1: up a weekly podcast of his own, Will be Lynchy

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Speaker 1: and Friends with Hank Mors. Mike, Welcome to the Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Business of Sports show. You you've done so much in

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Speaker 1: Most recently, it's the departure of Tom Brady going down

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Speaker 1: But that, without question the biggest story that we've had

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