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Speaker 1: Glamour Girls? Glamor Girl. You're listening to Stradio Lab. How

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Speaker 1: Please please put your wings together, give a big glamor girl.

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Speaker 1: Who do you? Who? For? Glamor girl? Who do you? Nori?

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Speaker 1: move on? I just have to I have so many thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Terry Shivoh maybe the first glamor girl, right, Terry's Shivo.

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Speaker 1: Without Terry, we without Terry, there would be no Stradio lab.

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Speaker 1: Terry is the blueprint. Terry the blueprint. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: two things are being paired with one another. If anything

416
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Speaker 1: with more knowledge and we ever had going into it,

417
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: would you say you're all about knowledge? You know? It's

418
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: funny because if someone who is about knowledge, I, I

419
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: can't get a writing job. Many packets, Um, I don't know.

420
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: The choir almost like we knew what we were talking

421
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: about before you joined this zoom, because that's the packets are.

422
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: It's like packet packets are like we're not going to

423
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: give you any context, but we want you to take

424
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: this prompt and and like do something magical with it,

425
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: but we're not going to actually tell you anything. Yes,

426
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: So for anyone not in the entertainment industry, first of all,

427
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: how sad. And second of all, writing packets are kind

428
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: of applications that you do when you want to be

429
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: a writer on a television series and they basically ask

430
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: you to write anywhere from six to one thousand pages

431
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: for free that then are not read and then they

432
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: hire um famous kind of like a girl on Twitter

433
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: who created the Jane Lynch meme. Yeah, it's an awesome

434
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: way to get dehumanized and feel bad about yourself because

435
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: I feel like this industry often lifts up voices, but

436
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: like it doesn't put down voices enough, And packets really

437
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: balance the scale and UM bring us down um two

438
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: depths that are very dark, and I think that can

439
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: be really helpful. One thing that packets do which is

440
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: so cool is that they put down diverse voices and

441
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: and and I think the free work element is really

442
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: cool too. I think, like how limiting that is. Um

443
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: is awesome sauce. Yeah, which do you think is more

444
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: awesome sauce? Free work or the illusion of a meritocracy?

445
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Um, that's a good question. I think

446
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: the illusion of a meritocracy is a weirdly less awesome sauce. Yeah,

447
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: I would have to agree. I think if if um,

448
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I think everyone was doing free work and there was

449
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: complete meritocracy, I would be winning. Wow, the confidence of

450
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: this bitch, you need to do more packets get brought

451
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: down to nerves. When I first started submitting packets, my

452
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: my manager would like give me like really specific compliments,

453
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: like like as in like, oh, like that joke you

454
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: told the end, And as times gone by, the compliments

455
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: become less specific, and then now I'll send it to

456
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: her and she'll be like you sent it, and it's like, oh,

457
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: okay you yeah, this is in your voice. Yea, yeah,

458
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: this is you, this is your email, this is your Yeah.

459
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: We really want to recommend her client Noria read this

460
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: is her she used to google. This is her her.

461
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. I sometimes when somebody responds to something,

462
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: like when I submit one of those and somebody is like, oh,

463
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like this part was good, I'm like, wait, people read these.

464
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: I've always imagined them going directly into the garbage, and

465
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I just sort of wrote them as with that in mind, right. Yeah.

466
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I always make sure to write mine specifically so that

467
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: they can get thrown out and make and really make

468
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: a splash in the trash community. I yeah, I, oh

469
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: my god. It's like it's so funny because I feel

470
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: like this industry is so hard, like outside of the pandemic,

471
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: and then in the pandemic, it's like, what is this

472
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: Like what my experience, that's my experience of this industry

473
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: in the pandemic is you're like, oh, well, you know what,

474
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: it's the great equalizer. No one's getting work. And then

475
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the next day someone's like I got my own show.

476
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Yes names, I won't mention names. But I went to

477
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: like like towards the like I would say, like two

478
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: or three months in the pandemic, I went to like

479
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: watch Real Housewives and Someone's house and like there were

480
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: it was a comedian and like so that they're like

481
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: comedians there, and I was feeling so down and just

482
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: like depressed and like bad about myself. And I went

483
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: there and like we were all sitting outside and then

484
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: one comedian was like, oh my god, I just told

485
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: it showed a Netflix today, and then everybody was like,

486
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, And I was like I'm gonna

487
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: kill myself. Like I'm gonna like I'm gonna like god,

488
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, they're like, oh my god, Nori, They're like

489
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: stop like like but I like they're like, don't do that,

490
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: don't do it. Um. But I was like I might

491
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like like I thought we were

492
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: all on the same like can we all just make

493
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: an agreement to like not do anything in the list.

494
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: They're still doing that. Oh the fact that they managed

495
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: to make a list like top twenty comedians who got coronavirus,

496
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: like number one. Yeah, that's a list I would read gladly. Um,

497
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: top twenty comedians We wish? What good coronavirus? Just kidding? Um? Yeah,

498
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: I think, uh Nori, what you're saying is so smart.

499
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: I feel like there was like there was especially wait

500
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: what some comedians twenty comedians, Um, we wish would get COVID?

501
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: And then where was that? Missing a beat? Said the

502
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: name of a comedian. Wait, we can believe to see

503
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: it again. We can't talk about this. It's so bad.

504
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like I feel so naughty. I'm

505
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: just like, what am I doing? Why am I talking

506
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: about this stuff? I'm so bad. I'm so naughty. I

507
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: love that you it up with no context. I'm gonna

508
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: I just keep you know what's funny. I keep pushing

509
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: the boundary and just like waiting to be held accountable

510
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: for my for my action and I'm trans. It doesn't

511
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: happen like people are just like you know, she's a

512
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: trans woman of color, Let her talk like, let her

513
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: let her be awful, and it's like and it just

514
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: doesn't never get held accountable, like you just viewing hate,

515
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: and everyone's like like literally, I'm I'm like, should we

516
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: kill Everyone's like, give her listen, let's let her speak speak.

517
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: I have to hold space from murderous friends. Women murder, murder,

518
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: experience of murdering that it's called social justice, restorative, justice

519
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: breaking restorative. Every trans woman should be allowed to murder. Yes,

520
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: I think you said it again. You said that. I

521
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: did not say that. You said that, what if that

522
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: was my thing? That? That's all I did was just

523
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: be like you said that, just over and over again.

524
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: I like that as your catchphrase. I think I think

525
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: that could be a very glamour girl like she's she

526
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: broke a story and then one of her sources called

527
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: her and it's like I cannot believe you published this,

528
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: and then she goes you said it, You said that,

529
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: You said that the honestly, what the issue is is

530
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: that I'm the type of person that I can't have

531
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: like I always like go too deep, like way too fast.

532
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: It maybe poor boundaries, you could maybe define it as.

533
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: And so when I first started doing general meetings and

534
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: Hollywood that's where I'm located, Hollywood, California, heard of it.

535
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: It's called Hollywood And yes, yes, when I first started

536
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: doing general I didn't know how to do them because

537
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: I would talk about really inappropriate things very quickly, and

538
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: they would get really uncomfortable, like I was at like

539
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: very high up, like it's I don't know have you

540
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: been to like I know this times I've got dropping.

541
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: I've been to the New York one. I've been to

542
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: the l A one. L A one is really high

543
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: up and you can just see like l A like

544
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: all of l A and I the first thing I said,

545
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like the homelessness problem. It's

546
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: all the encampment. And the person was like, do you

547
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: want do you want like some water? Like there's water

548
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh water, like it's good luck

549
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: having water in twenty years and this, yeah, you're like

550
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: water I ever heard of the rainforest? And they were like,

551
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this person who like can't just

552
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: have a normal conversation. So I always like talk about

553
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the deep stuff. It's a fine line because you want

554
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: to go in and you want your spirit to be

555
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: like I'm a real one, like I'm not going to

556
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: bullshit you like I'm I you know, it's like listen

557
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: you like you hate me. But then you always take

558
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: it a single step too far. I do, why not you?

559
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I got we need to after this, we

560
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: will stop talking about well stopped doing industry talk. I

561
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: think it's kind of fun sometimes indut industry. I do

562
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's juicy. It is juicy. But

563
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: do you think our listeners, the glamour girls like want

564
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: to hear about our industry talk? Probably sometimes? I think

565
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: every once in a while, what I was gonna say

566
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: is that in twenty um what nori I take ownership.

567
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: I literally made it about industry. I'm so sorry. It

568
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: happens much more often than you would think. Um we

569
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: I went and maybe when had a meeting at MTV

570
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: and I used as an example of a bad idea

571
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: rebooting t RL. The next week they announced they were rebooting.

572
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh that is amazing, that's iconic. I The worst of

573
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: mine was like when I went like for someone, they

574
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: were like, you know you're gay, Go meet at Bravo

575
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, I am, I've not seen a single Housewives.

576
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's on Bravo. It's not my

577
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: cup of tea. I mean maybe it is, I just

578
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. And it's like a huge universe and

579
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to dive in um and so I go

580
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: there and then they're like, so, like you love house lives, right,

581
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: And I was like yes, just like and then like

582
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: just trying to kind of lie my way through it.

583
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: And it was real, um like rolling up to college

584
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: discussion without having read the book Vibes and Touch You. No.

585
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: But one time I was at um uh Eastern Bloc

586
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: which is now a club coming and he was making

587
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: out with the DJ. Wow, okay, one of our having

588
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: sex with Andy Cohen, WHOA Yeah. I used to live

589
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: in New York and I used to be like a

590
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: gay like twink and I would go to David Barton

591
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: and Chelsea. I don't know if this ages me or

592
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: like makes me like seventy years old, but I used

593
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: to go there and Anderson Cooper was always naked. Yeah. Yeah,

594
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: are you serious? I'm serious? Yeah? Oh my god, that's

595
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: very very what is the time period? Nineteen fifty four?

596
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: The first time I was wearing a newsboy cat and

597
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: glamor girl. Um, it was like I don't want to

598
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: age myself, but it was it was like it was

599
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: like maybe like you know, like don't you don't have

600
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: to age yourself. Yeah, glamors are angeless, angeless and timeless.

601
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I um, that's amazing. That's so hot. He was very hot.

602
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: That's the thing with when people are like like, as

603
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: a he represents everything that is wrong with the world.

604
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: But he is hot. You can't say he's not hot,

605
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just can't say he's not hot. Well, if

606
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna be that problematic, better hot, you better be hot,

607
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: Okay ugly. Although here's the thing though, then you start thinking, Okay,

608
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: what if Trump was hot? I mean, I think if

609
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Trump was hot, we wouldn't have all the issues we have.

610
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: I feel like if he was hot, he would like

611
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: be a little less wounded and a little less like

612
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: needing to like get power and appear wealthy or whatever. Yeah,

613
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: in many ways, Trump is like when glamour girl goes wrong.

614
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: It's like he turned his trauma into like his lifestyle

615
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: rather than becoming an investigative journalist studying Refinery nine. Which

616
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: is why we need queer right culture because we can

617
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: just make people hot the world I do. That's an

618
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: interesting is because it is harm reduction. If you make

619
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: someone hot, then at the very least they'll just like

620
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: make bad art. Yeah, at the very worst, I mean

621
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: they'll make bad art. It's like, at least they won't

622
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: try to bomb Iran. No, They're just gonna go to

623
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: Burning Man and like paint their nails and that's ok. Wow.

624
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I back when I was in college,

625
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: my English professor was naked in the locker room a lot,

626
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is tight. I used to

627
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: have a swim teacher when I was like yeah, when

628
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: I was like twelve, who was Australian and like six

629
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: ft seven just had truly a seven foot penis, and

630
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: we would just all the locker room and he would

631
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: just be so not like so blase and and whatever

632
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: about taking off his clothes. And I'd be like, are

633
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: we just not gonna dress your monster drunk cock that

634
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: is right in front of me? As I'm realizing I'm gay,

635
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: I yeah, I did swim team and being the locker

636
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: room with adult men at the y m c A

637
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: across this nation. Uh, seeing adult male dis as like

638
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: eleven year old was like, whoa, this is nuts? Oh

639
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: not so literally yeah literally literally, oh my god, wait, Nor,

640
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: I want to get to your topic, h um, and

641
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I want you in fact, to describe how you got

642
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: to it, because I think it's interesting. Um, you want

643
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: me to tell my story? Yes, yes, and only if

644
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable. UM, thank you. I just had a

645
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: oh oh my god, I just have to bring it

646
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: back to the innustry talk. And I'm not gonna do it.

647
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not going to do it. Boundary.

648
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: That's the boundary, and I'm not going to do it. Okay,

649
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: this is growth. It is called growth. You're you're witnessing

650
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: a human growing and doing actually before our eyes. Okay, rude,

651
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: um all right. So yeah, So basically, yesterday I watched

652
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: all five episodes of The Undoing Um in a row

653
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: and binged it like an hour love that, you know,

654
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: I binged it. Let's let's let's talk, let's be real,

655
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: and basically, Nicole Kidman is you know, the ultimate glamour girl.

656
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: Wounded check, glamorous check, truth speaker, double check, speaking the truth.

657
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: Okay wow. Um. But in it, you know, it's it

658
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: really centers around a husband and a wife and them

659
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: not having trust. And it made me realize that every

660
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: straight couple I've ever met, um don't have trust. They

661
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: don't trust each other. They they're scared that one of

662
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: them will murder the other person. They're scared of the

663
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: murder of murder, and that's so much the foundation of

664
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: so many straight relationships is fear of murder. Yes, yes,

665
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: which is metaphorical because I think, you know, I feel

666
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: like the penis murders of China. There's like some Freudian

667
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: there's element. Yes, so we're talking about kind of uh,

668
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, sis heteronormative intercourse. It is very much favorite penetrate. Yea,

669
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: what is my favorite? That? That is my favorite? That

670
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: is out of all like a classics. Just to assist

671
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: straight people. It's like you know when you get a

672
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: Hoggendoff and it's like all it is, it's sugar, it's milk,

673
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: and it's yes. Straight people are the Hoggandahs of the

674
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: there's no vantom gum, there's know like, ma, you know

675
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: this is my favorite? What that's my favorite? I'm sorry, yeah,

676
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. So I guess in queer relationships,

677
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: do you feel that, um, there is not a fear

678
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: of murder? Well, there is, but from the outside. So

679
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: it's like we both will be murdered. Oh my god.

680
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: So you're saying that with straight people, it's like they

681
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: they know the darkness comes from within themselves. So it's

682
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: like queer people are afraid of of of society around them,

683
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: where straight people are like, well, everything seems pretty peaceful here. Society, right,

684
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: we our society. What if we know what we're capable of?

685
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Town and country? You know, it's it's um, I don't

686
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: know why. I don't know why I said that, know

687
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: that town and country country. Have you read a town country?

688
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: I have not. I have not read town of country,

689
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: town and country. I mean town and Country is one

690
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: of those things where you're like, oh wow, this is

691
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: still happening. Huh, what is it? It's like a home

692
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: like a home magazine. So it's a little bit of architecture,

693
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of like homemaking, a little bit of

694
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: interior design, and a whole lot of society. Oh yeah, yeah,

695
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: and then the cover will be like randomly Jennifer Garner's garden. Yeah,

696
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: it's always like it's always one of the Well. I

697
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: feel like Charlotte in Sex in the City. What magazine

698
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: did they want to be like her? In Trey? Like,

699
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: what was the cover? I'm sure I'm sure it it

700
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: was like something like that, something like that. Your town

701
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: and country, it is. The town and Country is one

702
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: of those things that seems so peaceful because it's so sinister.

703
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: It's just like yelling at you. Jennifer Garner is gardening, yeah,

704
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: and you're like yelling. Well. The storyline of that Charlotte

705
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Trey moment is that they were taking this picture where

706
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: all the girls of America would be like, I want

707
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: to be her, but in fact, he couldn't get hard

708
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: unless he was play raping her. Wait, that's this is real?

709
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: This is that was the story. No, I remember that

710
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Trey could not get hard, but where does that fit

711
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: into the magazine cover? So because they were she wanted

712
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: to do the cover and he was like, we're broken,

713
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: we have no real marriage. Why are we doing this?

714
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: And she was like, well, because it's something I care about.

715
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: Until last minute he did come to take the photo.

716
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: But that that was the moment their marriage completely ended.

717
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: Was that day? Yeah, Wow, you can't write this stuff,

718
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: I swear, Darren. She was all improvised. That was the

719
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: whole storyline was improvised. They didn't know. It's people don't know.

720
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: Sex is like curb your enthusiasm and that it was

721
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: all improvised. Mostly it's mostly just some goofing off on

722
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: set and then they sort of edited together and make

723
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: it make sense. And you have to just make your

724
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: own stuff with your friends, like you can't wait for

725
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: people to um to give you a script. Fun fact,

726
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: Amantha was actually supposed to be more of the Charlotte. Right.

727
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: You just started saying sex stuff and they're like, okay.

728
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: The first people were uncomfortable because she was cast to

729
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: be in the Charlotte. And then she kept being like, honey,

730
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: you know I did that this morning, and everyone's like, wait,

731
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: this is weirdly working. Yeah, and then Charlotte was like

732
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: and then we're like okay. Well a lot of people,

733
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. Miranda was supposed to

734
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: die season one, but the producers just loved her so

735
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: much that they were like, well we got to write

736
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: her into season two. Well, my writer, I mean improvise

737
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: her in a lot of people back to sex and

738
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: sitting and they say, you know, it was kind of

739
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: empowering that when I'm talking about frankly about sex and

740
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: all this stuff. In fact, the message of season one

741
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: was going to be if you have a career, you

742
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: deserve to die. And so Miranda there specifically as a warning,

743
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of cautionary tale if you will, two women considering

744
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: having careers. Steve was supposed to be the killer because

745
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: he's the bar, he's the bartender, he's like late at night.

746
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: He invites him up to a place. He was supposed

747
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: to kill, like full on killed her. And it was

748
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: they made love. That's the only part that was written explicitly.

749
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: All of everything else was improv But the one thing

750
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: they told them was Okay, you guys, you have to improve.

751
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: But it all has to lead to this pivotal scene

752
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: with the murder of Miranda Bis. Yes, but the Irish

753
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: community that they were like, oh, we're always the killers,

754
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: were always the murderers, and they pushed back and so

755
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: then you know, long story short, he was her lover.

756
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, I for one am glad that the Irish

757
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: community rose up and made their voices heard me too,

758
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: because they in silenced and this this Steve moment just

759
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: it was pivotal. Well, the thing with the Irish community

760
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: is that then would ended up happening was that they

761
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: kept casting other people to play Miranda's boyfriend again with

762
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: the intention of having them kill her each of different races.

763
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: So Blair Underwood was black and then she um who else,

764
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: said Miranda date umny. But but the point is that

765
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: then each time that race would then like the you know,

766
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: the the viewers of that race would then protests and say, well,

767
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: we can't have him do it. He's Italian, we can't

768
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: have Blair Underwood, but he's Greek. And so they kept

769
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: just rotating through boyfriends saying all right, then maybe he'll

770
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: kill her. She ended up lasting for all of the

771
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: series in two films. And then yeah, I mean, this

772
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: is the history of Sex and City that they don't

773
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: teach in these schools or history, Oh honey, more like

774
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: oral her story in the sense that I gave oral

775
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: and I'm a woman. That was actually Kim Cantrell's audition.

776
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean she booked. I mean, I think it's so

777
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: funny to think about Kim control starting to do the

778
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: Samantha voice, like people are like that, you can't do that,

779
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, She's like, people are gonna freak for this,

780
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna do the Samantha voice. And they're like,

781
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: what is she talking about? And she's like, honey, let

782
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: me show you can you imagine? Can I know if

783
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: you're a city girls? What were your personality? Me? Oh,

784
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm definitely a carry because I wrote a Vogue article recently. Really,

785
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean like a year ago. That's what I did, right, Yeah,

786
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: and that was very Carrie moment. And um, but I

787
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: would say Samantha was the first trans female character on TV,

788
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: which is powerful, and so I am a little Samantha

789
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: in that way. Um, but I feel like, you know,

790
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: breaks the binary. I think we're all we are all

791
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: some parts of each of them. But I think I'm

792
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: a little I'm a little Cary, I'm a little Samantha,

793
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: and I'm a little um Aiden. I figure's some Aidan

794
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: and you too, yeah, sex and city girl Aiden and

795
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: one why is Samantha trans? Oh honey, I used to

796
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: have a dick? Um, I know that wasn't right. I was.

797
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: It's funny because I was just yes, I am, I'm

798
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: referencing that. I'm just I was just thinking about it

799
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: because Christine Aguilera recently on a talk show was talking

800
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: about that sketch and it's like fully like two twenty

801
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: and instead of being like, you know, at a different time,

802
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: and I'm so sorry and like she could have done that. No,

803
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: she was like delighting in it. She was like, oh,

804
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: it was so funny and the writers the writers were

805
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: like maybe she's trans, and she was like I remember

806
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: being like this is funny, Like this is really funny.

807
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like no, no, no, honey, like this is

808
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: your time to be like oh that was a different time.

809
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: We're so sorry, but she like doubled down like on

810
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: the moment. And also like you know how like the

811
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: meat Packing District episode where it's like extremely offensive against

812
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: trans people, Like why do they keep playing They like

813
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: they played that episode most out of all of them,

814
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: Like they're this syndication Rey night. It's like it's because

815
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: this is due to the trans community. They're like constantly

816
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: playing it. I mean the thing the city, And of

817
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: course I would say it is like I mean, it

818
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: is especially um offensive to tran people and and gender

819
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: minorities in general. But I do think the thing with

820
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: Sexless Video is just that it is deeply conservative, Like

821
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: ultimately it's like the moral of any kind of whenever

822
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: there's any kind of deviance, it's like, thankfully she got

823
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, yes, Miranda got her as seat and

824
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: that's the episode where they're like, let's kill her, but

825
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna sucking. She just got her as seat and

826
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: let's kill that bitch. And then again because I remember

827
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: the punch line was literally Christina Aguilera going I'm a jude,

828
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: and Christina quoted that in the interview. I think it

829
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: might have been on Bravo. I'm not sure, but that

830
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. And she was like, she was like laughing,

831
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: and she did it again, she went I'm a dude,

832
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: and then they all started laughing, and I'm like, it's twice.

833
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: Like you can't like where it's a different, You can't

834
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: do that anymore, like Tina fake, can't you know? Pina

835
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: Fanos but she can't say she she can't write an

836
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: she mail every other Why does she know? Does she

837
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 1: feel like? I feel like she's still giant? Say there's

838
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: some like I feel like behind I'm never working in

839
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: this industry again. But I feel like behind Fa there's

840
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: like an anger that feels like it's cast inward towards

841
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: like women and gender minorities, And I'm just like, what

842
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: is this? What happens? The thing is unfortunately not to

843
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: get in trouble, but I do think often what happens

844
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: is if you are a let's say, a white gay

845
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: man or a this straight white woman basically one uh

846
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: step removed from power, you work so hard to then

847
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: integrate yourself into those power structures and then and then

848
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: to do that work so hard only to then be

849
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: criticized feels like such a slight because you're like, I

850
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:10,479
Speaker 1: sacrificed so much to be the one whatever, and it's

851
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: like very difficult I think for people like that to

852
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: then take criticism well a hundred percent. I mean it's

853
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: like lean in feminism to its core, like about that.

854
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just interesting when you when you

855
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: rewatch Dirty Rock, like how many moments the punchline is

856
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: the personal color for the woman or the transperson. It's

857
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: like it's just it's so often, and it's it's like,

858
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this person even more so than others,

859
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: like really this is this is their their way of comedy.

860
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting. I'm not too affected by it. It

861
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really elicit any emotion. I'm just kind of like, huh,

862
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: liken her cool and like fun. George's like, this is over,

863
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: this podcast is over. Thank you for coming on it's done.

864
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: I actually actually thank all those examples of things I

865
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: love and think are awesome. Just seems they produced the

866
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: podcast and I just had no idea produced the first

867
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: few episodes and then um, we had to work with

868
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: someone that was not a woman. Oh yeah, I don't know.

869
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. And like even the cover of

870
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: her book, it's like it's like manhand and that's funny.

871
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: And what makes it funny is this like manhand. It

872
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: is like it was like the last breath. It is

873
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: truly like our women men like it's like that. It's

874
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: almost like that's the ultimate question of a certain kind

875
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: of comedy. And I think that's where I feel like

876
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: that's where the hate towards trans people comes from, is

877
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: that we muck it up because it's like, oh, I

878
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: have this like interesting take on like men versus women,

879
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: and then you have like non binary people who exist

880
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: and who are funny and who like fuck that up

881
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: not intentionally but just because they exist. And then I

882
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: think a lot of these comedians are just like whoa

883
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: fuck you? Like, I have this really funny thing going premise.

884
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: Maybe the initial take was progressive, it's like, oh my

885
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: take is like actually women are better than men. But

886
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: then in order to have that take, you are accepting

887
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: the specific binary that like is the groundwork for a

888
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: joke like that. So then when someone comes there's like

889
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: actually no thing, You're like what, I was on your side,

890
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: you dumb bitch. It's like it's funny because when when

891
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: I watch SNL, I really am just I'm trying not

892
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: to get work. Is this bad? Really bad? I mean no,

893
00:59:54,160 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: this is interesting. I would argue you said it, said it.

894
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: But even in FNL, it's funny how like, um, when

895
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: they're trying to include diversity in their writing, they kind

896
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: of just like name drop that like binary non binary

897
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: people like exist, and then they move on with the punchline,

898
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: which is that like women suck or like it's just

899
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: like it's so it's just so interesting to me that

900
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: like the way that they're dealing with diversity in a

901
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: lot of these shows, it's just to like acknowledge that

902
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: something exists and then they just like continue onward with

903
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: their like dumb thing. Yeah, well, we live in a

904
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: in a caveat culture, which is what I call when

905
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: someone says what they were going to say anyway and

906
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: just mentions a caveat. So they're like, obviously we live

907
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: on stolen land, but we're recruiting at dropbox. Thank you

908
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: exactly what I mean. It's like and then like Pete,

909
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, never mind, I'll be quiet. It's just yeah,

910
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: there's I do have thoughts about different things, but yeah,

911
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: thankfully we don't. Yeah, I haven't had a thought that

912
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: you can go with your thoughts. I mean, it's so

913
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: nice to have a glamor girl on here that has

914
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: some thoughts and reporting, um, because I haven't done that

915
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: in years. They're gonna do like brain scans of Terry Shivoh,

916
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: like in five years, and they're gonna see that she

917
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: was one of the most progressive trans writes leaders in history,

918
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: that she had like she had some of the most

919
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: progressive ideas about gender. They're gonna do a brain infer

920
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: and it's going to be like, wait, she thought the

921
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: Sex and the City sketch from SNL was transphobic. Wait,

922
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: let's bring her back to life. Clamber Girls Unite after

923
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: You n next step bringing Darry back to Life special

924
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: like Lizzo performing like Litzo performed, like Terry Shadow comes out.

925
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: It's just like bodying suite of like just like fast

926
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: like of just like you know, wait, speaking of body

927
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: inclusivity and Lizzo, when I was in college and Terry Shiva.

928
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: In fact, when I was in college, one woman who

929
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: was in the gender studies department, and her whole thing

930
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: like the theoretical monogram or that the kind of work

931
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: she was working on was on dead bodies as like

932
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: deserving more rights and being marginalized. Wait what it was

933
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: literally like a joke that that like a Republican would

934
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: write about like next thing you know they're gonna be

935
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna be like putting bodies. She literally it was

936
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: literally like about how the corpse needs to like from

937
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: a like dead bodies from a feminist perspective. Anyway, the

938
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: point is recently I looked her up and she now

939
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: works now works like at a consulting firm. I mean,

940
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: that's queen ship. That ship, that's queen ship. All bodies matter,

941
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: even dead ones, literally even dead ones. Oh my god,

942
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:13,439
Speaker 1: that's terrific. That weird like that. I wish I could

943
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: remember the exact framing of it. But was she glamorous.

944
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, she had kind of an austere haircut

945
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: that was like, um, like strict black bangs and then

946
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: like an asymmetrical bob. So in that sense, you could

947
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: say she was glamorous. That sounds glamorous, being like literally

948
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: just getting on a stage in front of a podium

949
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: and being like, dead bodies are queer? Is glamorous? Dead

950
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: bodies are queer? I mean that is like sounds like

951
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: so made up. Like I love that. I love when

952
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: academia eats its own tail. Stupid, the stupidest. Was she

953
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: a white woman? Well, she was white passing. I don't

954
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: know what her um, I don't remember what her name

955
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: was or like, I don't remember much. I was better,

956
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: but in my mind she's white. She was like yeah, yeah,

957
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: and she saying, well, I'm glad she found work as

958
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: a consultant. I think that's awesome. Do you think she works?

959
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: Do you think they're she's like now that she's working consulting,

960
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: she's part of like an employee group that's like about

961
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: advocating for dead body some of our potties, and they

962
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: also should have a seat at the table. I feel

963
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: like McKenzie has killed so many people that like McKenzie

964
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: would have a group to like advocate for the dead body.

965
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: They just give them. Wow, Wow, Okay, I want to

966
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: go back to trust issues. Oh right, kind of like

967
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: left what huh huh. I'm like, wait, so, George, did

968
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: you have something you wanted to say about them or

969
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: do you know? You know, we talked about sort of

970
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: the trust issues between straight couples, talked about the trust

971
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 1: issues between queer relationships. But what we haven't talked about

972
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: is the trust issues between um queer podcasts hosts and guests.

973
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: You know why they talked to Drew. I talked to

974
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Drew before and he was like, he was like, if

975
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: you can take anything from this conversation, just don't trust them. Yeah. Yeah,

976
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: it's so when I talked to Drew or the funniest

977
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: person I've ever met, like you'd be likely to have her,

978
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: And then of course he called you and said, you'll

979
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: never believe who asked me about you. You know, it's

980
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: funny because Drew, I don't know who that is. I've

981
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: never Drew Anderson. I don't know who that is, but

982
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: I know name is that I don't know. I've never

983
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: heard of him. Was he has? He has? He been

984
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: in paper magazine? Then I don't know him. That's that's

985
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: the question on everybody's lips. But like, Drew's my friend

986
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: who I like talk all my ship too, And I'm

987
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm terrified that one day he'll share kind of like

988
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: the Princess Diana tapes. I'm just like terrified, like Princess Danny,

989
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm the Princess Diana of the America. That's what people

990
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: That's what people say. You know. No, I would argue

991
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: that while you do ship talk a lot to Drew,

992
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: you also are pretty open about talking even on a podcast,

993
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: you don't seem to hold them close to you. I

994
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: have such issues and like my therapist retired recently and

995
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: so I haven't had therapy and like two months, and god,

996
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like I feel like I really need to

997
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: like censor myself. Um, but now I talked so much

998
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: ship to him, and so yeah, he's my ship talking

999
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: friend for sure. Yeah. Who do you think Princess Diana

1000
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: should talking friend? Oh? Oh that's good, believe me. Um,

1001
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I who did she

1002
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: talk shipped to? Like, that's such a good question. That

1003
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 1: is an excellent question. Um, that's that's an excellent question.

1004
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit on that because I really who was her?

1005
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: Who was her gay? Who was her? If it didn't

1006
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: have one, then I would love to write a movie

1007
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: that's like a very faithful historical, you know, biopic about Diana,

1008
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: except I add a gay best friend character played by

1009
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: Mario Cantone. Mario Cantone was supposed to be straight in

1010
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: Sex and the City, Yes, and then then he improvised gay.

1011
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: He kept gay already had the four girls were supposed

1012
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: to be butcher lesbian, then they kept improvising is straight

1013
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: And Mario Kenton was supposed to be this kind of

1014
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: like manly straight and as friend, and but then they

1015
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: all in a different way. Um, I think we should do.

1016
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: Our final segment is the Tea so Nori. Our final

1017
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: segments called shout outs, where you give a shout out

1018
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: to something we enjoy or whatever, sort of in the

1019
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: style of t r L. You're shouting out to your

1020
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: squad back home. UM, I actually have one, George, if

1021
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: you don't mind me taking the lead on this one,

1022
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: on this project, UM, okay, what's up, listeners. UM, I

1023
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: just want to give a huge shout out to guys

1024
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: that get completely naked in the locker room. I think

1025
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: what you do is so powerful, and I wish we

1026
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: were all a little more comfortable getting naked in the

1027
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,919
Speaker 1: locker room because I think it is cool, empowering, hot,

1028
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to be hot. I like it.

1029
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: It is hot, but it doesn't have to be hot.

1030
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: Um and general um, keep up the good work. You

1031
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: are incredible, you are beautiful, and we love you. What's up, listeners.

1032
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to the

1033
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: book I just finished where in one scene, a pack

1034
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: of flamingos fall from the sky into a pool. I'm

1035
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: not gonna say what book it is because that would

1036
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: be a spoiler, but I just want to say what

1037
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: an evocative image. Imagine a bright light blue pool and

1038
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: then bright pink flamingos falling from the sky into that pool.

1039
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: I mean the and and and guess what. The book

1040
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: is being made into a movie because it's one of

1041
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: those books that's actually horribly written and it's only made

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Speaker 1: so that it can be adapted into a movie. And

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Speaker 1: to that, I say, go off sis. That's me to

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Speaker 1: the author, because I think I would love to see

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Speaker 1: a film adaptation of for bright pink Flamingoes falling into

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Speaker 1: a pool. We have to stand. I am living for it,

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Speaker 1: hunting and that's that. On that tsis high readers, your girl, Maori,

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Speaker 1: and I really want to shout out the cold could

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Speaker 1: have been pair in the undoing blushes. It's biraally it's

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Speaker 1: an orange red that's so specifically Australian. Don't ask me

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Speaker 1: about it. And um, it's also probably a wig. But

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Speaker 1: you know you started clapping for yourself. But I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Nori, we really did touch on everything. The

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Speaker 1: fact that we only coined the term glamour girl a

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Speaker 1: mirror hour and a half ago and ago it's crazy

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Speaker 1: to me because now it's totally cannon. We fully developed

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Speaker 1: the concept cannon. Thank you. This has been beautiful. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for doing the pod. Mari. I had

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Speaker 1: such a good time. And I please censor like three

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Speaker 1: fourths of what I said. We're censoring every moment where

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Speaker 1: you speak. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Tina. You know what I we should start

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Speaker 1: just saying I'm sorry at the end of every episode,

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Speaker 1: every other I'm sorry, I'm sorry.