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Speaker 1: Let's go Yeah, Better, Better, Better. Jesse Holly, Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: Shannon Gross. We are kurtless for one more day. I
Speaker 1: believe he should be back with us on Friday, when
Speaker 1: we will be back on the air. Chris Beam on
Speaker 1: the ones and twos in the back. William Boykin's running
Speaker 1: all the streams for us and fellas. We got a
Speaker 1: lot to get to today because we didn't do We
Speaker 1: didn't do much last show. I ain't they loved it.
Speaker 1: We just had to get called loved it. They did.
Speaker 1: They did. The Boss came down and scolded us and
Speaker 1: made a guest appearance on the show, which is always nice.
Speaker 1: It's always better when he comes down and I don't
Speaker 1: have to go up to right. When he comes down
Speaker 1: willingly and doesn't summon you to his offense, it's always
Speaker 1: a much better day. And he looked very angry when
Speaker 1: he picked his head around the corner, but he left smiling.
Speaker 1: So that's always a good And we're all still employed,
Speaker 1: we're still on the show. So how you fellas doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing greater. I saw that trader this morning when
Speaker 1: I was driving in right, I let out my winners.
Speaker 1: He didn't recognize my truck, and you know, when I
Speaker 1: went by him, the words I holiday at him, who's
Speaker 1: the trader? Your your boss? Oh? You know my side?
Speaker 1: No more? I mean, but when we come in here,
Speaker 1: he's a trader. He's not with me. He's the enemy, bro.
Speaker 1: So when I went by, he went he went cross
Speaker 1: street looking an office, spiffing and suit everything. I let
Speaker 1: my one and out of hanging with him, he just
Speaker 1: looked right and shake his head. Yeah, oh man, all right,
Speaker 1: a lot of football to get to Chris. I still
Speaker 1: don't hear myself really well in my headphones. So there
Speaker 1: we go. Maybe I should turn the volume up there
Speaker 1: that I did the same when you was talking. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's been a while since we've been
Speaker 1: in the studio, Like, this is only our second show,
Speaker 1: so we're just opening act. We're still getting the workflow going. So, um, Jesse,
Speaker 1: what did you miss most about us while we were going?
Speaker 1: You gotta make something. I thought it was gonna go
Speaker 1: to the football today. Yeah, we're going into what we
Speaker 1: missed most about each other with Yeah, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: now let's do football first. Think about I'm gonna give Jesse.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna say I missed I missed the gouches
Speaker 1: of you guys. You know what I'm saying. Yea, what
Speaker 1: the goop? You know someone didn't watch last night. I
Speaker 1: didn't tell us about Hard Knocks real quick, what happened?
Speaker 1: There was a second in the Hard Knocks last night
Speaker 1: where Zeke is asking for baby powder. He's like, he's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know it's hurting down there by the gooch. I
Speaker 1: need some baby powder. So for those who don't know
Speaker 1: where the gooch is at, that's the middle road. I
Speaker 1: knew what it was, but that's below the six packs.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's below the six packs, right, and and
Speaker 1: and and below the planters right right before. Yeah. Some
Speaker 1: people refer to it as the tain't right, the taint,
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the taint, the taint, the front tain't the
Speaker 1: backet right in the middle, right that middle, that middle,
Speaker 1: that middle row. You know what I'm saying. It's like that.
Speaker 1: You never heard that before, Nate Man I heard, trust me,
Speaker 1: big Nate know about the guch he had his powder days.
Speaker 1: You big as a lot of Chris. What was your
Speaker 1: favorite part of the show? Um, that was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: Did you see yourself last night? Because I got had
Speaker 1: several people sending me screenshots. One was one was standing
Speaker 1: by you and CD made that crazy catch. I had
Speaker 1: to point out to my wife set he said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually working out a training camp. I'm at their partying. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't get to watch it yet last night, so
Speaker 1: I have to have to tune in tonight. You're a
Speaker 1: terrible ambassador for the brand. What that's not my show?
Speaker 1: We don't produce that show. I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: but let me tell you something. Jazz Right quickly, I
Speaker 1: had to spend time with my son. I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: him in three and a half weeks. He wanted nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Your son's sleeping. No, no, he's not. My son parties, man,
Speaker 1: he parties till like ten ten thirty. What you put
Speaker 1: in the baby bottle, don't worry about that. Found out
Speaker 1: last night he loves watermelon. Dude, he ate a whole
Speaker 1: chunk of watermelon. So he was probably maybe you're not
Speaker 1: the dead stopping I'm playing on hey looking at the one.
Speaker 1: He looked at me like what a looking at me
Speaker 1: like the right to day? Hey. But anyway, anyway, already
Speaker 1: turned into spray episode. He is a big brand seller.
Speaker 1: This girl, Audrey is that her name? His young lady
Speaker 1: just hired her. Right, How long she's been with us.
Speaker 1: She's been with us for about eight months, but she's
Speaker 1: taken on a bigger role recently eight months and within
Speaker 1: four days of minute training camp, she got to the
Speaker 1: point where when when Shannon came through the door where
Speaker 1: he was all working and gathered that, she's just be like,
Speaker 1: not again he would leave out, She would be like,
Speaker 1: she would never say that. She just shake her head.
Speaker 1: I said, it's a little different than training camp. She said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of getting overwhelmed. Man, it's tough man camp.
Speaker 1: I mean bringing picture out the pictures set up out
Speaker 1: the setup. Can you get this dunk? And she like
Speaker 1: all she was doing, like, yeah, that's all she was doing.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, man, it's non stop out there. He was.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun, a lot of fun. Jesse.
Speaker 1: You gotta go next year, get your get your show.
Speaker 1: He's gone. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He'll be back.
Speaker 1: He left his phone at his back and knees so thing.
Speaker 1: You will stay out for a minute now let him man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome asking me, welcome back to the show. Jess. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, now that we got that out of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just have to get your own ride next year, Jess.
Speaker 1: We'll get you out there. You just we're going RV
Speaker 1: for real. Nate makes me do actually therapy session. My
Speaker 1: deductible's gonna be crazy. All right, let's actually talk football. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was fun, you know what. I actually enjoyed doing
Speaker 1: that stuff more than I do talking football. But we
Speaker 1: have to talk football. Let me say this and then
Speaker 1: we'll get to football. When people and Nate tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. When people always ask me, like what
Speaker 1: you missed football? Do you miss the game? You missed it,
Speaker 1: and I don't miss football. Football is a physical, tough, hard,
Speaker 1: mentally training, physically training thing that you put your body through,
Speaker 1: in your mind through. I don't miss any of that.
Speaker 1: Don't miss the weight room. I don't miss the practice field.
Speaker 1: I don't miss the games. I miss these type of moments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're in the locker room, when you're on the plane,
Speaker 1: when you're on the bus and you just you know,
Speaker 1: you can just have a good time. You laugh, you joke,
Speaker 1: you know, we could, we can make jokes about you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you're not the father, you know, and all those
Speaker 1: type of things. Those are the things that you miss
Speaker 1: when you're a player and you step away from the
Speaker 1: game because there is no other place. Well, you get
Speaker 1: that unless you listen to hanging with the boys. Then
Speaker 1: we bring it to you live and direct. You won't
Speaker 1: get that on any other show. They can't relate. They
Speaker 1: don't understand. They walk by the locker room, they may
Speaker 1: peek in the locker room. Wow, we've been in the
Speaker 1: locker room. Don't do that. We've been in the trenches.
Speaker 1: But I do miss that part about it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the one thing you hear when guys retire is like
Speaker 1: that exact thing. Like it's you go to work with
Speaker 1: forty of your best friends every day and you joke
Speaker 1: with each other non stop. It's like not like a
Speaker 1: normal job where you might like one or two people,
Speaker 1: but you ain't going to hang out like those are
Speaker 1: your guys. And if you do that for years and
Speaker 1: years in a row, when you stop, it's it's traumatic.
Speaker 1: You miss it. Yeah, so all right, let's get into football.
Speaker 1: How Nate, you're the big D line proponent on this show.
Speaker 1: How big of a blow is it that Devil Gallimore
Speaker 1: is going to be out six eight weeks? Big big
Speaker 1: because he was just starting the show. I think I
Speaker 1: got that right right, six eight weeks? Is that what
Speaker 1: they said? Yeah, he was just beginning in the show
Speaker 1: last year the player that he could be. So what
Speaker 1: we needed now we were sitting in training camp to
Speaker 1: coaches like what he was doing doing training camp? But
Speaker 1: we need to see it, you know, at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the season, going into the season, has he taking
Speaker 1: that step? Now we won't even know if he was
Speaker 1: taking that step. And now we gotta go with Bohannah, Hamilton,
Speaker 1: Watkins and these guys, you know, and we got to
Speaker 1: use these young guys. It ain't no more getting somebody
Speaker 1: off the street. The street don't have those type of
Speaker 1: athletes that what we're looking for against the Bucks. We
Speaker 1: need some run stoppers. And so uh, this this is
Speaker 1: huge when you when you look at this thing, man,
Speaker 1: and and trying to hope that these guys and Jess
Speaker 1: Tristan Hilling hasn't even been mentioned. See see that that
Speaker 1: is a bothersome thing because he was a second round
Speaker 1: pick two years ago, three years ago and he's on
Speaker 1: active pup or have they moved him anywhere else? That's
Speaker 1: more letting us know that he's getting ready. So we
Speaker 1: need for these young guys, man and these um free
Speaker 1: agents to play. They got to play and know what
Speaker 1: to do. Man, that was a big loss because we
Speaker 1: was expecting big things from this kid. Gallamore. I guess
Speaker 1: on the brighter side of things is that you do
Speaker 1: get a chance to get those other guys some reps um,
Speaker 1: especially in these final two preseason games. You get them
Speaker 1: the reps. You get them the reps and then you
Speaker 1: can kind of and to your point, Nate, you you
Speaker 1: said you're giving them the defense a six week cushion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if this is a six to eight week injury
Speaker 1: at the time they're supposed to be peeking. You now
Speaker 1: add a piece like Nevin Gallimore back to the mix. Right,
Speaker 1: and now you've had allowed these young guys to get
Speaker 1: those reps, because I truly do believe that getting these
Speaker 1: guys as many reps as possible, as early and as
Speaker 1: often as you can build a rotation. And and and
Speaker 1: now when you get to that meaty part of the
Speaker 1: season where you got to turn the corner and the
Speaker 1: kind of the season is settling in, you can add
Speaker 1: a guy like Neville Gallimore into that mix. And now
Speaker 1: these guys have the experience, they have the game in
Speaker 1: game opportunities, and then you add him into that. That's
Speaker 1: only a bonus. Yes, we would love to have him
Speaker 1: up front, but this is what you brought dan quinnin for. Right.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn not only was he a defensive coordinator, but
Speaker 1: his specialty, his special tea, the thing that he kind
Speaker 1: of hangs his hat on, is defensive line. So this
Speaker 1: is this is all what he is known to do.
Speaker 1: This is where his wheelhouse. So being able to develop
Speaker 1: these players, and I think that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that we've lacked here in Dallas in the past is
Speaker 1: just sheer development of players Michael Parsons. You don't develop
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. You don't pick a guy at number twelve
Speaker 1: and think he has to be developed. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you got him at number twelve, that high because he's
Speaker 1: a baller, right you. He he's going to develop in
Speaker 1: a sense of maturity and learning the game of the
Speaker 1: NFL level. But ain't too much developing Michael Parsons. He's
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing exactly what we're seeing him do
Speaker 1: right now. Run around, be fast, be physical, be athletic,
Speaker 1: be everywhere, because that's what you do with top you know,
Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen type talent. Those guys, they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be plug and play. These other guys need to
Speaker 1: be developed. And I think that's where Dan and Quinn
Speaker 1: can come in and really put his stamp on this
Speaker 1: defense by developing these guys, free agent guys and these
Speaker 1: young guys. And for Tristian Hill, the last thing that
Speaker 1: you want to be is on the outside looking in
Speaker 1: with a coach who has no history with you, because
Speaker 1: I don't have anything connected to you. I didn't draft you,
Speaker 1: you ain't on my my name ain't on you right
Speaker 1: as Brian Broadest uses this word, and I think it's
Speaker 1: a great word. You don't have any sponsors. You don't
Speaker 1: have any sponsors in that coaching meeting is when and
Speaker 1: to those who what a sponsor is is that coaches
Speaker 1: will stand on the table for you. You want to
Speaker 1: be able to when they go and you guys see
Speaker 1: you hard knocks when they when they have those meetings
Speaker 1: and they're all sitting around, from Jim Mauer to Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones and everybody has a little bit of input when
Speaker 1: they start breaking down rosters. You when your name comes up,
Speaker 1: you want somebody to actually stand on the taste, one person,
Speaker 1: at least one person to stand up and say, you
Speaker 1: know what I v out for Tristan Hill. I think
Speaker 1: he's coming a long way. I think we can use
Speaker 1: them because when your name comes up and there's nothing
Speaker 1: good to say about you, or there's silence about you,
Speaker 1: or there's questions about you, you're getting to that point
Speaker 1: where they're taking your name off that board and you
Speaker 1: won't be a part of the organization anymore. What's his
Speaker 1: what's his injury? Christie? You know what's going over to
Speaker 1: al last year. He's still going through that. We're still
Speaker 1: rehabbing that injury. Gooch is a little tender. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the tender gooch. That's it's three letters. Oh, you can
Speaker 1: say whatever you want. I just did. Seventy five is
Speaker 1: gonna play for us? Seventy five is gonna play for us?
Speaker 1: Man he thinks that's his name. He's gonna starter. Is
Speaker 1: he gonna be a rotation guy? He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: rotation guy. But I've been watching, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: and people like man, y'all, man, y'all to know it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who's in the secondary other than
Speaker 1: Digs and Joseph, you know, in Wilson. I haven't been
Speaker 1: looking at that. I've been saying because I'm telling you, fellas,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you when when we go to Tampa, everybody
Speaker 1: was like worrying a boy, Tom Brady and all those
Speaker 1: great receivers, and he gonna stick that ball right enough,
Speaker 1: boy cut Lombardi, Lenny that's what they call him. And
Speaker 1: before that, and I'm telling him, and we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna be like whoa, Okay, We're gonna be like okay,
Speaker 1: you know, and that and I've been so into this
Speaker 1: right engrossed in this right here. Guys that stand out
Speaker 1: to me. Then you can't you say getting gross, but
Speaker 1: you can't say osa there God, yeah, yeah, what is awesome?
Speaker 1: No stop, No, I'm just saying yeah, yeah, that too.
Speaker 1: Every time I think of his kind name. But he
Speaker 1: just mentioned I think it was a biscuit, I really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, just keep up a biscuit, vial biscuits gonna
Speaker 1: be that good? Ain't gonna be that good? A Popeye's
Speaker 1: bisiny gets a specially? What a burger? Honey, honey? What
Speaker 1: is it? Chicken biscuits? What about a bulberry biscuit from
Speaker 1: bowl j Angles? Oh now, a long time ago, back
Speaker 1: in the day when they used to go to go
Speaker 1: to Carolina. It's good told about Carolina folks, that bowlberry biscuit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, when I was Carolina that used to beat
Speaker 1: the BA. But anyway, anyway, yep, these guys that bowlberry
Speaker 1: got you sweating over. You said bulberry biscuit. He broke
Speaker 1: out on the sweat brof. We don't take care of
Speaker 1: this defensive line. And that's what I've been watching every game,
Speaker 1: every guy. I've just been watching every game. And then
Speaker 1: the other day we're doing this thing and I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're like, whatever, what do you think about it? So Joseph,
Speaker 1: he got toasted a couple of times. I can speak
Speaker 1: on that, but other than that, I haven't been watching them.
Speaker 1: All right, tell you what. Let's take a break and
Speaker 1: we come back. One. I want to hear Jesse say
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Speaker 1: I want to get Jesse's take on the wide receivers
Speaker 1: because we haven't really talked to me receivers. I got
Speaker 1: a different opinion. I think they're six. Okay, Well, at
Speaker 1: least he got the forces away, okay. And then and
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Speaker 1: an opinion. We'll get to you in a second. Jesse,
Speaker 1: I have an opinion, And I want you guys to
Speaker 1: tell me if I'm absolutely crazy, okay, and I'll give
Speaker 1: you a couple of reasons why I think this. I'm
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty high on this defense, and not
Speaker 1: in the fact that I think they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: top ten defense or a top five defense or they're
Speaker 1: gonna shut people out. But we've talked, we've talked about
Speaker 1: it for a year now. All you need is them
Speaker 1: to be middle of the pack sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. And
Speaker 1: from what I've seen at camp, and I know it's camp,
Speaker 1: and I know blah blah blah, and you haven't seen
Speaker 1: game action, but from what I've seen at camp and
Speaker 1: the just the depth, and we're talking about guys for
Speaker 1: the first time in years, like, hey, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some decisions in the secondary. Hey, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to make some decisions at linebacker. Hey, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to make some decisions at defensive line for the
Speaker 1: first time that I can in recent history. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking recent probably four or five years. There's three different
Speaker 1: defensive position groups that you're going to have a selection
Speaker 1: of people. Usually it's like these are your three guys.
Speaker 1: These are your four guys. These are your five guys,
Speaker 1: six guys. Maybe this guy if he's a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: But you're really going to have to make decisions and
Speaker 1: you're not just going to struggle with depth for the
Speaker 1: first time, and you've got young guys that you can develop,
Speaker 1: and hey, are we gonna are we gonna hide this guy?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna you know, can we get this guy
Speaker 1: back if we cut him? Can we get him back
Speaker 1: on the practice squad? So first time I remember thinking
Speaker 1: that way. So I'm you know, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: they're gonna be top ten or fifteen. I do think
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be a lot better than they were
Speaker 1: last year. And with this offense, if it stays healthy,
Speaker 1: that's all you need is is some improvement to keep
Speaker 1: you in games and win football games and win a
Speaker 1: game in the playoffs and start down this road of
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully winning a couple of playoff games and
Speaker 1: stringing some stuff together. So am I crazy to think
Speaker 1: and to expect this defense to be much improved this year?
Speaker 1: I just think it was. I just think, you know,
Speaker 1: because I just think them lining up part of maatically
Speaker 1: makes them better. I'm being honest because yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Because if I if I, if I look back at
Speaker 1: last year and from the very first game, what we
Speaker 1: saw as as analysts, we knew right there, like, uh,
Speaker 1: we have better athletes at every position. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we have better athletes. We have guys
Speaker 1: that will run to the ball and that and that
Speaker 1: that alone gives me hope that we would be better
Speaker 1: just lining up from day one. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: we're gonna play better. Things is gonna change automatically. We
Speaker 1: have better athletes. Guys are a little bit more enthusiastic
Speaker 1: about doing this job. That's why. That's why I say
Speaker 1: when you started, I wasn't feeling it. When you ended it,
Speaker 1: I'm all, I'm all, I'm all about what you're saying
Speaker 1: on that level. My only cause for Paul's in this
Speaker 1: entire situation is when I begin to look at scheduling
Speaker 1: and you start looking at some of the teams that
Speaker 1: were playing, when you have young rosters, when you have
Speaker 1: players who you're gonna have to bring along. I do
Speaker 1: agree with Nate. The entitlement of position and playing time
Speaker 1: I think has been eliminated. Guys used to just know,
Speaker 1: no matter what happened in practice or in games, I
Speaker 1: was going to be safety one next week, LB one
Speaker 1: next week, dl D one next week. And when you
Speaker 1: add a young thundercat like Micah, when you add a
Speaker 1: young cat like Kelvin Joseph, when you add a veteran
Speaker 1: like Keano, when you add some pieces like Hooker, now
Speaker 1: you have people who don't have entitlement who are trying
Speaker 1: to prove something which pushes those who may have had
Speaker 1: entitlement into a very uncomfortable place because they've been settled
Speaker 1: at what they've been able to do for the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. So I think in that respect, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a different type of energy. But we still
Speaker 1: have to get through those growing pains, right, and we
Speaker 1: have to get through those things, and we have to
Speaker 1: overcome injury potential. We don't we don't know if it'll happen,
Speaker 1: but history says that most likely someone's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1: And what happens when those things happened. So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to call you crazy to think that,
Speaker 1: but I do think we've seen and Isaiah I talked
Speaker 1: about this on when you guys were out when talking
Speaker 1: about culture change, and my question to him was how
Speaker 1: long does it change take to change a culture? And
Speaker 1: the answer is unknown, because you've seen cultures be changed
Speaker 1: in a short amount of time. You've seen cultures need
Speaker 1: years to take you know. So, but I do think
Speaker 1: that there is a culture shift and what's happening there
Speaker 1: and that will definitely make this defense a better defense.
Speaker 1: The from the coaching of the defense and to the
Speaker 1: player that are actually going out there playing the defense.
Speaker 1: We heard a lot last year about simplifying the defense.
Speaker 1: That's only going to work for a certain amount of
Speaker 1: time because if you stay simple, those other people figure
Speaker 1: you out and then pick you apart. So there's going
Speaker 1: to have to be maybe some simplicity when I started,
Speaker 1: when I implement it, when I'm putting it into into play.
Speaker 1: But I have to grow and get multiple. I have
Speaker 1: to be able to change and shift. I have to
Speaker 1: be a chameleon to what's going on on the field.
Speaker 1: I have to be able to be shift uh shift changers,
Speaker 1: because watch it, I know, I know they gotta be
Speaker 1: a shift changer, um, a shift shaper on the field
Speaker 1: because those quarterbacks that they're playing this year, they ain't
Speaker 1: they ain't no slauchers. Now you're gonna face some pretty
Speaker 1: dark good quarterbacks this year. Five receivers. Yeah, we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about them very much. You don't. You don't have to, Okay,
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson Okay, Mary Cooper Okay, Nor Brown, CD, Lamb
Speaker 1: and Gallop. That's it. Everybody else got to prove that
Speaker 1: they can make the team through other means. You're not
Speaker 1: You're not giving my guy my league turners. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he, if he continued to do what he needed
Speaker 1: to do and be a great special team players, he's there.
Speaker 1: I mean, so you think they might keep six if
Speaker 1: one position? I know, besides quarterback is solid and you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do anything to it. Isn't why I receive group now,
Speaker 1: if you want to change it, just to say we're
Speaker 1: changing it. That all we want to bring in a
Speaker 1: young guy every year. You can do that. But these
Speaker 1: five guys I'm talking about can play and all in
Speaker 1: two or three we can play special teams. So I'm good.
Speaker 1: But the five receivers now, and I'm not a receiver,
Speaker 1: so this is a guy to receive that may see
Speaker 1: something different. I'm right there along with you. Keeping five
Speaker 1: or six, Malik Turner has two games to show me
Speaker 1: that he deserves for us to keep six. Again, it's
Speaker 1: also gonna go into play, and that's the business side
Speaker 1: of the NFL. NFL because if we're keeping six or
Speaker 1: seven dbs, we ain't keeping six seven receivers. So it's
Speaker 1: all you're you're fighting against the numbers, you're fighting against
Speaker 1: all those other things that may not have anything to
Speaker 1: do with you. So for the next two games, Malik
Speaker 1: Turner has to continue to practice well and continue to
Speaker 1: play well if he's going to make that push, and
Speaker 1: hopefully he has a special Hopefully bones is a sponsor
Speaker 1: inside inside that meeting room saying I need this guy.
Speaker 1: I need this guy to be on my special teams.
Speaker 1: Be a core special teams guy. Don't be a one
Speaker 1: or two special teams got be a all four kickoff,
Speaker 1: kickoff return, pump pump return, Be a core special teams guy,
Speaker 1: because that's only going to help your value. That's only
Speaker 1: going to give you an opportunity to be on this
Speaker 1: football team. So it's stacked at the top. I mean
Speaker 1: that that it is stacked. Be hard. You can't get
Speaker 1: one of any of those guys out of here. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be them, it's got to be a numbers game.
Speaker 1: And then willing to say we're gonna keep one extra guy.
Speaker 1: If God, it's going to be the same guys that
Speaker 1: you've had the last couple of years, right, And I'm
Speaker 1: totally fine with that. Like losing Malik Turner doesn't bother
Speaker 1: me in the sense of the rotation that we have
Speaker 1: at that position. I think CD has come to a
Speaker 1: point if no I do it, it's ridiculous. If if
Speaker 1: a Maori has that, you know that Tomarra has something
Speaker 1: come up every year at risk, an ankle, a toll
Speaker 1: with knee or two for something, something, a gooch and
Speaker 1: and you know, and you know what I'm saying, an
Speaker 1: aggravated gooch. If he has an adgrogated gooch. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, a sensitive gooch and mats aggregated both.
Speaker 1: I mean the agregation. That's that's what That's what happened
Speaker 1: to people when I hang around him too low. I
Speaker 1: know I'm starting to miss yes, but you know, you're
Speaker 1: pretty solid at the top. And if CD has to
Speaker 1: move into that spot where he's being wide receiver one,
Speaker 1: he's looking he's looking the park this training camp with
Speaker 1: with being able to do so, so there was a position.
Speaker 1: We're set there, We're good. That's that's another question for
Speaker 1: another show. I guess we'll we can revisit this about
Speaker 1: you're giving them six games in to get a good
Speaker 1: solid value, not you know what, and not even six
Speaker 1: games because it could be two, it could be three,
Speaker 1: it could be four. It just depends on because like
Speaker 1: Jesse said, you're gonna have to start tweaking. Okay, now
Speaker 1: we know these dudes can play bass. We know they
Speaker 1: can play the high bred with the extra safety end.
Speaker 1: But what if we ask this gotta get up and
Speaker 1: go around him, make a twist over here? Can't he adjust?
Speaker 1: So as you go game at the game and your
Speaker 1: self scout, we can't stay the same fellows. We gotta
Speaker 1: start adding a little bit more on the backside. We
Speaker 1: gotta start adding a little bit more. That's this is
Speaker 1: what's gonna save our bacon. If number eleven, it's everything
Speaker 1: we think he is and we can put him everywhere,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to do. But if we can,
Speaker 1: that automaticalis get messes up offenses because now they got
Speaker 1: to keep adjusting to him. But if he comes back
Speaker 1: down the earth and be just a regular great linebacker,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's just playing one spot. Then they
Speaker 1: they're gonna pick us apart. But if we can move
Speaker 1: that cat around that we used to have Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 1: They ran up three four defense base and all they
Speaker 1: did was move Lawrence takeling around. They had to change
Speaker 1: the coverages in the back end. They gonna Lawrence around here. Hey, hey, fellas, stop,
Speaker 1: we gotta all turn this away. But if play going that, no,
Speaker 1: we gotta all turn you know. So they running three
Speaker 1: four and then running four three and then run them
Speaker 1: see that that's the great thing. And I talked to
Speaker 1: UH pro personnel player Will See. We was walking around
Speaker 1: camp for the first two weeks. Hey, hey, everybody's gonna play.
Speaker 1: They got a package for everybody. Know they don't if
Speaker 1: we how can we sit there and say, oh, they're
Speaker 1: running a simple defense. But they got a package for everybody.
Speaker 1: That means you gotta have we got eight linebackers. We
Speaker 1: gotta have eight packages. It don't work in the game.
Speaker 1: The best players got to play. And Will told you
Speaker 1: the same thing. Now, bro, it's gonna be uh if
Speaker 1: it's a fourth from long third and longer passing situation.
Speaker 1: What linebackers do we have in now if it's a
Speaker 1: base run, what linebackers do You can't have eighteen packages,
Speaker 1: So the better guys got to play in the number level.
Speaker 1: Like you call him a thundercat, I think I'm a
Speaker 1: hole loaner that I like that thundercat everything he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be. He gonna mess some offenses. But if he
Speaker 1: comes back down to earth, which most rookies do, not
Speaker 1: saying he's not a great play because I'm like you
Speaker 1: plug and play, but he planned eight positions right now,
Speaker 1: say I can't. I can't even say O C ten times.
Speaker 1: Real quicks say twice, Yeah, you still got the man.
Speaker 1: The man's name is three letters and you just turned
Speaker 1: it into two from to OC. What is his name?
Speaker 1: Osa U S is right there? Got it? Did it twice?
Speaker 1: A real good But what I was going at you
Speaker 1: say before you went on your little tirade when I
Speaker 1: said six games it is we need to read we
Speaker 1: need to revisit this after six games. CD maybe your
Speaker 1: number one guy. No you don't think, No, it's not yet.
Speaker 1: We not. He's seeing what he's doing it. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we we we disrespect Amara Cooper. I love him, maybe
Speaker 1: because Amara, could you have one in one age? Sure? Okay,
Speaker 1: but but but like maybe because Amari isn't very talkative
Speaker 1: or isn't very you know, he doesn't have a colorful personality.
Speaker 1: You know what it is this year, it's probably because
Speaker 1: he hasn't been on the field. So we've seen all
Speaker 1: of CD and we forget how good Amari is. Like,
Speaker 1: we gotta just like, you know what, I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: doing what. I'm just I'm gonna do talking more. I
Speaker 1: can do that. We know we can can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, but I'm just gonna start putting up
Speaker 1: when I get back on social medi I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: start putting you off. Yeah. I haven't been to break. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna Every week, I'm just gonna start putting
Speaker 1: up a minute or Twitter goods. Twitters got a little
Speaker 1: sensitive fellow agitated getting Twitter powder in here a minute
Speaker 1: montage of just Amari Cooper every single week, so we
Speaker 1: could just stop disrespecting you know what. Just put up
Speaker 1: clips not of him catching the ball, just his routes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of an He's one of the best.
Speaker 1: He's in the top three conversation of route running from
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage to the finish of catching the ball
Speaker 1: than we have in this league, and we don't give
Speaker 1: him the proper credit he's doing. What's the what's the
Speaker 1: big difference between him and CD? Route running? Right? Is
Speaker 1: CD more physical? Like? What would what would you say that?
Speaker 1: The difference is Amari is more effortless. It doesn't take
Speaker 1: like Amari looks like he's floating. It doesn't look like
Speaker 1: he's actually doing the work. But he's so his precision.
Speaker 1: CD hasn't gotten to the precision point, and he isn't
Speaker 1: as consistent. That's the thing about Amar, his precision and
Speaker 1: his consistency. Now he has the years on CD, of course,
Speaker 1: and see they're not saying that CD can't get to
Speaker 1: that point, but as of right now, A Mari is
Speaker 1: just more consistent and more precise in his route running. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, let's take our last break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna see if we can find
Speaker 1: Jesse some Twitter powder for his Twitter gooch, and Nate's
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. I didn't hear Chris say
Speaker 1: that we were on the air. I'm just heard Nate
Speaker 1: talking to my air and I don't even know what
Speaker 1: you said. Did you say? He said stand by? I
Speaker 1: said I will sit by? Okay, yeah, all right? And
Speaker 1: then you came on loud. I'm sorry. I guess we
Speaker 1: all found a powder for Is he tweeting? Oh? There
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Speaker 1: eleven thirt or twelve thirty. So yeah, so when do
Speaker 1: the other enemy enemy show? They already went the enemy show,
Speaker 1: they went today, they went. Now we're the first show today.
Speaker 1: They go out to eleven. They go to eleven today,
Speaker 1: so they'll be on during practice. Good. Yeah, So hey,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, what do we think? What do we think
Speaker 1: about the backup quarterback position? Are we good with what
Speaker 1: we have? Or do do we need to go get
Speaker 1: somebody off the street. We're screwed. Let me let me
Speaker 1: say this right here. Let me say this right here,
Speaker 1: And this is what I don't agree with. This is
Speaker 1: what I don't agree with. If you're gonna give Gilbert
Speaker 1: on his chance to show his coaches and everybody that
Speaker 1: they are that he can possibly beat a backup today,
Speaker 1: shouldn't he had a snap in his hand, the majard
Speaker 1: at a time. This kid, it's sending up to getting
Speaker 1: bad snaps, half snaps, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: got people burned down on him and he that's not fair.
Speaker 1: That's not fair. Our left guard need to play left
Speaker 1: guard lead a center along Let's get somebody that can
Speaker 1: get this kid the ball, and let's you know, this
Speaker 1: kid is held the ball too long. This kid is
Speaker 1: the layer games. Gilbert is not played well enough to
Speaker 1: be the backup quarterback. And part of that is how
Speaker 1: the snaps come in. So it's not all of it,
Speaker 1: but it's part of it. That's not a fair assessment.
Speaker 1: You got to get even if you got to get
Speaker 1: a center that's getting pushed back a little bit. But
Speaker 1: he can get this kid the ball so he can
Speaker 1: make the right reads because every time that he don't
Speaker 1: them three or four times, that's the difference in the game.
Speaker 1: We talked every week, Man, it was three or four
Speaker 1: plays it made the difference in the game. Well, how
Speaker 1: we know the ones on the ground when the difference
Speaker 1: in the game. So I'm not defending Gilbert. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's our backup because we've been since training count
Speaker 1: and it's just been two inconsistent. You know, now we
Speaker 1: can say Dak ain't gonna get hurt, But where's da
Speaker 1: right now? Because at this point, like if Dad, if there,
Speaker 1: if Dak, if a long term injury happens, your season
Speaker 1: shot anyway, Right you're looking for a guy that if
Speaker 1: if Dak misses three to six games, that can win
Speaker 1: you two or three games and keep you in the
Speaker 1: race right until he gets healthy. Because if Dad goes
Speaker 1: down for the remainder of the year, five games in
Speaker 1: or whatever, I mean, it doesn't matter who your backup is,
Speaker 1: it's gonna I mean, Andy Dalton's a great backup quarterback
Speaker 1: as a backup, and we saw what happened last year.
Speaker 1: So you're not banking on that. You're just trying to
Speaker 1: get a guy to get you a few wins in
Speaker 1: that period, right, So so do you go get somebody
Speaker 1: or do you just roll the dice with what you
Speaker 1: have and there's not really anybody out there? Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're screwed. Well you say that, I don't feel that way, Jesse,
Speaker 1: because we you just went on the lawn solidoqually and
Speaker 1: tell me why he just wasn't ready. And now you're
Speaker 1: gonna tell What I'm saying is depending on the backup.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Ain't talking about the starter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if the starter starts were good, Okay, Okay, I'll let
Speaker 1: you finish, you let me finish. I'll let you go
Speaker 1: ahead finish. Not no, I'll let you finish because I
Speaker 1: interrupted you. I'm sorry. Go ahead on. If we have
Speaker 1: to go to anyone other than four, we're screwed. That's
Speaker 1: what she said. That's exactly what she said. Our our
Speaker 1: gooch is is roasted. Ain't enough powder, Ain't enough powder
Speaker 1: in Texas? Right. I wonder if we got a Gooch
Speaker 1: powder spots. Ain't enough Gooch powder in Texas, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be able to solve that issue. At backup quarterback, we
Speaker 1: just us don't have it. And the thing with when
Speaker 1: I look at quarterback, especially from the backup position, whether
Speaker 1: that's Gilbert, that's d Nucci, it comes down to you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're working with some backups. Cooper you left, rush
Speaker 1: out of there. Stop we we get down to him,
Speaker 1: we're really screwed. I think he's ahead of We're screwed.
Speaker 1: Either way, Gooch is cooked, right. And it's the simple
Speaker 1: things when you look at it from a football standpoint,
Speaker 1: is are you making the right reads? Are your eyes
Speaker 1: in the right place, Are you making the right calls?
Speaker 1: Are you making the right checks? Because a lot of
Speaker 1: times at the quarterback position, everything doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: this forty fifty yard bomb stuff. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be all of this Aaron Rodgers flick of the risk
Speaker 1: type stuff. When you look at the way Tom Brady plays,
Speaker 1: tom Brady will cut you by a thousand He'll kill
Speaker 1: you by a thousand cuts. And it's all about getting
Speaker 1: the ball out of your hands into the hands of
Speaker 1: your playmaker playmakers as fast as you possibly can. That's
Speaker 1: coming up to the line of scrimm. It's diagnosing what
Speaker 1: the defense has given you and saying I'm going right here,
Speaker 1: right now with the football. And if I get the
Speaker 1: ball to Coop or Maori I mean Cooper or Seede
Speaker 1: Lamb or Michael Gallup or Blake Jarwin or Zeke whatever
Speaker 1: it is, the ball is now out of my hands
Speaker 1: and into the hands of the people who actually are
Speaker 1: supposed to do something with it in a spectacular fashion.
Speaker 1: But when you're back there and you're holding the ball
Speaker 1: and you're indecisive and you don't know where to go
Speaker 1: to the ball, and you're not making the right reads,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what the center does. As far as
Speaker 1: a snap, yes, you need to snap, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have this prolific, all pro
Speaker 1: offensive line for the backup. I need to see that
Speaker 1: because you don't have enough room, you haven't built up
Speaker 1: enough bail to go out there and do what started
Speaker 1: does to have those mistakes because you're not playing as
Speaker 1: much as them, So you need to come in and
Speaker 1: be to at the backup position. I don't need you
Speaker 1: to win me a football football game. I really don't.
Speaker 1: You just can't lose it for me, don't. I don't
Speaker 1: need you to make spectacular plays. I just don't need
Speaker 1: you to make a lot of horrible ones. That's what
Speaker 1: I need from my backup quarterback. And if you're able
Speaker 1: to go out there and not be a liability and
Speaker 1: not be the reason why we lost the game, then
Speaker 1: because I got too many other guys that I got
Speaker 1: a fifteen million dollars running back, I got a nineteen
Speaker 1: million dollars receiver, right, I got some guys out they're
Speaker 1: supposed to go out there and do what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. Just get it to him when you're supposed
Speaker 1: to get it to him when you're supposed to get
Speaker 1: it to him. Period. But if you ain't looking in
Speaker 1: the direction, if the ball is supposed to go right
Speaker 1: and you look at left, you screwed us. So it's
Speaker 1: that that I need for the quarterback position to be
Speaker 1: that back and put the position to be for us
Speaker 1: to have success. And I don't think we have that
Speaker 1: on our roster, okay, And that's why I said we
Speaker 1: If this kid can get the ball and have only
Speaker 1: that on his mind, I'll understand totally what you're saying.
Speaker 1: If this office is line and I hate this or
Speaker 1: because this has been our mantra for five years, if
Speaker 1: our office in line, stay healthy, you know, if we
Speaker 1: can do a lot of things. And I believe that
Speaker 1: even I don't even want to go down that road, Gilbert,
Speaker 1: just build back up. I don't even want to even
Speaker 1: go down that road, man, because what you said at first,
Speaker 1: it is true. If this kid is not a number
Speaker 1: for is not there, it is not happening. And so
Speaker 1: but Gilbert, if he's gonna be anything, he's got to
Speaker 1: be given. The the front seven is gonna have to
Speaker 1: be his mix. The offensive line, the tight ends, and
Speaker 1: the running backs is gonna have to be his mix.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have to all be right because they're
Speaker 1: not all right. He's proven that he's not all right.
Speaker 1: And that's just the bottom line. Fellas, it's that time.
Speaker 1: Let's bounce. Time to bounce. We're gonna work on this
Speaker 1: Gooch Powder partnership and see if we can be the
Speaker 1: official show of the Gooch. Let's go like it. Jesse.
Speaker 1: Thanks for getting me. Thanks for resetting me this morning. Jesse.
Speaker 1: I need I needed a little motivation to get going
Speaker 1: in the right right and I hate to watch hard knocks.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna learn hip slang words. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get involved. To get involved, man to have a
Speaker 1: watch party Tuesday nights. Thanks for bringing Chris. Thanks for
Speaker 1: keeping us on the air. William, thanks for the live
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