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Speaker 1: many things to Bourbon as I can speaking of Bourbon,
Speaker 1: not speaking of Bourbon, speaking of artists. My guest today,
Speaker 1: as with the previous what four episodes we've done on
Speaker 1: this uh is Jason Petty a k A prop. What's
Speaker 1: let the lick read Bourbon and night for Breakfast for dinner? Prop?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about France? Uh? Wow, um, I
Speaker 1: feel carbs. I just think carter and bread. They do
Speaker 1: love that fresh food is delightful. Yes, I think. I
Speaker 1: think Harlem Renaissance. That's pretty cool. You know. My patron
Speaker 1: saint is is James Baldwin, so it's time out there. Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: But besides that, I also think, Yah don't like Americans, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is hard to fault them for what I What
Speaker 1: I don't like the French four is appropriating Belgian French
Speaker 1: Fries or Belgian Fries and calling that they also they
Speaker 1: have a habit of having superfluous letters and they have
Speaker 1: too many way to like at least a third of
Speaker 1: the letters in any French word are unnecessary. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're taking France to task today, but we're not talking
Speaker 1: about how they use too many letters. That that'll be
Speaker 1: a six part we do at some point. Today we
Speaker 1: are talking without French fascism. Um, yeah, because the French
Speaker 1: actually have a long history of fascism. Although there's a
Speaker 1: weird number of French scholars who will argue that France
Speaker 1: is uniquely immune to fascism, it's not. And today we're
Speaker 1: talking about the day that fascists almost took over the
Speaker 1: French government February six, nineteen thirty four. Now, all of
Speaker 1: the stories we've shared so far in this series have
Speaker 1: borne some similarities to what happened in the US capital
Speaker 1: on January six and the events that let up to it,
Speaker 1: But what happened in France on February six, nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: four is by far the most direct comparison to what
Speaker 1: happened in the U s Capital on the six. I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about this before I started this series, but
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. It's wild. Yeah, well it failed, but also
Speaker 1: it is just the same damn thing basically. You know
Speaker 1: what's crazy is how much the thirties must have sucked
Speaker 1: the trash. A lot of this stuff happened in the thirties. Man,
Speaker 1: it sucked as much as I'm gonna guesses are going
Speaker 1: to suck suck a decade. Yeah, um yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: It's great. How the same thing is happening again exactly
Speaker 1: a century later. Pretty much. Um So the story starts,
Speaker 1: our story today starts in many ways with something that
Speaker 1: happened in the late eighteen hundreds. Prop have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of the Dreyfus affair? No, this is I I
Speaker 1: did when I was before I dropped out of college.
Speaker 1: The only thing I ever was able to focus on
Speaker 1: for more than a semester is a major was was
Speaker 1: Holocaust studies, right I wanted to when I the the
Speaker 1: only degree I ever wanted was a degree in like
Speaker 1: Holocaust scholarship. And every class on anti Semitism in the
Speaker 1: history of the Holocaust is going to start, or at
Speaker 1: least be frontloaded with the story of the Dreyfuss affair.
Speaker 1: And most Americans don't know about this, but it's very
Speaker 1: famous in France and it's where the French far right
Speaker 1: really comes out of. In eighteen eighty four, a French
Speaker 1: army captain named Alfred Dreyfuss was accused of handing secret
Speaker 1: documents to the Imperial German military. Now this was a
Speaker 1: little over a decade since the Austro the Franco Prussian War,
Speaker 1: which is where France lost a bunch of territory to
Speaker 1: what became Germany. Um that one, so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like panic over the Germans, right, So suddenly it
Speaker 1: comes out that like someone has been handing documents over
Speaker 1: to the German military. There's a spy in the French military,
Speaker 1: and everybody focuses on Alfred Dreyfuss. He's the immediate suspected
Speaker 1: culprit because he's Jewish, you know, like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: starting to sound a little familiar. Now, yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is this is a pretty famous moment. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, yeah, I'm like you and celebrity names
Speaker 1: like I think I know this immediately and his story
Speaker 1: becomes not you know, for there's a trader in the
Speaker 1: French military, but there's a treacherous Jew giving our military
Speaker 1: secrets to the Germans. Right. Um, Now, as I'm sure
Speaker 1: most of you have guessed, just because this is the
Speaker 1: show that it is, Dreyfus was innocent. The trial against
Speaker 1: him was racially motivated and flawed from the get go,
Speaker 1: and I found a good right up on the trial
Speaker 1: from the open source educational website e International Relations, which
Speaker 1: highlights just how fucked things were from the jump. On
Speaker 1: the morning of Monday, the fifteenth of October, Captain Alfred
Speaker 1: Dreyfuss was summoned to present himself at the French Ministry
Speaker 1: of War. The Commander Patty to come, along with three
Speaker 1: other inspectors, welcome Dryfus and proceeded in asking him to
Speaker 1: write a peculiar letter dictated by Patty to clam that
Speaker 1: this letter contains sentences from the infamous Borderreaux, which was
Speaker 1: a letter written by a French spy found in the
Speaker 1: dustbin of the German military attache in Paris. The French
Speaker 1: Ministry of War was searching for the spy, and we're
Speaker 1: testing various officers that could be suspected of treason. As
Speaker 1: Dryfus wrote the letter, he shivered, and the three men
Speaker 1: scrutinizing his every move noticed his trembling, thus deeming it
Speaker 1: as a sign of culpability. He is cold, he shivers,
Speaker 1: an incontestable sign of his culpability. The God he's shivered,
Speaker 1: He's guilty, held guilty. N One. One constant throughout history
Speaker 1: is people whose job it is to determine whether or
Speaker 1: not folks are guilty of a crime. Are always bad
Speaker 1: at that job. Not possible. Yes. Dreyfus was immediately arrested
Speaker 1: for high treason and deported to the prison of I'm
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to pronounce it. He was sent
Speaker 1: to prison on December nineteenth. He was court martialed in
Speaker 1: front of a set of anti Semitic juries who judged
Speaker 1: him guilty and sentenced him to a degradation and life
Speaker 1: sentence on the Devil's Aisle in French Guyana, so pretty
Speaker 1: pretty much you know, a show trial, right. Uh. That
Speaker 1: meant that the anti Semitism man all the way back
Speaker 1: from there, all the way to they build in lasers
Speaker 1: to shoot from space. They build in lasers to shoot
Speaker 1: from space. And this is a real theory because we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this later. France did not have much of
Speaker 1: a history of anti Semitism before, not nearly as much
Speaker 1: as a lot of other European countries. So about two
Speaker 1: years after Dryfus is convicted, evidence comes out that a
Speaker 1: completely different, non Jewish French officer had been the spy,
Speaker 1: and this is good evidence. The guilty man, though, was
Speaker 1: immediately acquitted by a military court because Dreyfus was Jewish
Speaker 1: and thus must be the guilty party, and Dreyfus was.
Speaker 1: Actually when the guy who was guilty was acquitted, they
Speaker 1: sentenced to Dryfus for even more crimes that he hadn't
Speaker 1: committed in the same Oh my god, it's really bad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anybody who watched that ivan, the terrible
Speaker 1: docuseries on Netflix about the guy that was accused of
Speaker 1: being the the not see Oh yeah, I watched that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh Robert, it's up your alley. It is dude. So yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like, that's him. I'll never forget his face. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, people are bad at remembering things, which
Speaker 1: is the real problem. Like I witness accounts and stuff.
Speaker 1: But there's not even that in this. This is just
Speaker 1: racism that dry Us is being convicted over. Like it's
Speaker 1: not even someone thinks they see him doing something. Um,
Speaker 1: it's just like, well, he's a Jew and he's in
Speaker 1: the army, so he's got to be the guy passing
Speaker 1: secrets to the Germans. Obvious felt this way. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: what's that problem? Is gonna say? Man, uh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a very racist statement, but I mean it
Speaker 1: as a joke, which is even I shouldn't have even
Speaker 1: prefaced it. But I just still think that, like, dang man,
Speaker 1: because I still go when I look at like European Jews,
Speaker 1: I'm just like but white people, and I just and
Speaker 1: it's and it's so funny to because I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: y'all got the short end of the state. You got
Speaker 1: the worst lottery ever as a white dude that you
Speaker 1: don't even get to count as a white dude, you
Speaker 1: have to, I think accept that in this period of
Speaker 1: time in Europe, Jewish people aren't white. They are excluded
Speaker 1: from the benefits of whiteness. And the way that like
Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds of Italians and Irish were
Speaker 1: in the United States, right, Like just the process of
Speaker 1: becoming white for a lot of these groups. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so bizarre. I know in the early like this is
Speaker 1: the longest script you've ever written, so I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: at I know that, like you know stories of when
Speaker 1: when America was founded, you know, only white people could
Speaker 1: own land, so you had like Japanese immigrants standing in
Speaker 1: front of the Congress being like, nah, we're white too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And just this argument that
Speaker 1: like I am a part of that dog. I just
Speaker 1: can't imagine as someone who's there is no way I
Speaker 1: could stand in front of any court and convince somebody
Speaker 1: I'm a white dude. You know what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: like the idea one that that's possible, and to that,
Speaker 1: like you actually are, ay dude. Yeah, and and nobody's
Speaker 1: calling you a y dude, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that's at least the the European jew obviously Ethiopian
Speaker 1: Jewish people are clearly now why dudes, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's it's a factor of non whiteness
Speaker 1: is a scale, right, Like everyone who is considered non
Speaker 1: white isn't considered the same um there, but it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a scale. And and in this period
Speaker 1: of time and a lot of Europe, and really not
Speaker 1: in France, this had not been the case. But in
Speaker 1: a lot of Europe Jewish people are not really considered
Speaker 1: like there had been there there had been within living
Speaker 1: memory at this point, severe restrictions on whether or not
Speaker 1: Jewish people could own property in parts of Europe. Um
Speaker 1: it had not been legal like up to the First
Speaker 1: World War, almost in like Germany, for Jewish people to
Speaker 1: be officers in the military, like there were very strong
Speaker 1: restrictions around it. So it's really it's hard to almost
Speaker 1: get your head around because of how significant it is
Speaker 1: in this period. That's the point I'm trying to make
Speaker 1: is like I still can't obviously you can't, you can't
Speaker 1: pull a you know, a critical race there is based
Speaker 1: on a society in the in the twenty one century.
Speaker 1: You can't yank that back to the seventeen and think
Speaker 1: it's going to be the same. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's still hard to like wrap my mind around the
Speaker 1: fact that they're like but not him. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you know you know I'm saying it's um,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's the whole the whole process of
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, it's it's the same way
Speaker 1: as how most of the kind of colonial procedures that
Speaker 1: the British carried out in Africa in order to maintain
Speaker 1: dominance and split up different tribal groups and keep them
Speaker 1: fighting each other so that they could dominate and exploit them.
Speaker 1: They beta tested that in Ireland with with with what
Speaker 1: we're effectively tribes and group tribal groups of Irish people
Speaker 1: like that that. There are people scholars who will argue
Speaker 1: that the Irish were the first people to be excluded
Speaker 1: from whiteness when they were when the idea of whiteness
Speaker 1: was being invented, before the slave trade even really existed,
Speaker 1: because like it was there an early colonized people. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a like it will do a history series
Speaker 1: about this at something History of whiteness. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of really good books, including one titled The Invention
Speaker 1: of the White Race. That's yeah, it's a great book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very interesting. So anyway, everything that dry Us, you know,
Speaker 1: getting tried and then getting reconvicted, when this new infro
Speaker 1: comes up, it creates a massive culture war in France.
Speaker 1: In two groups kind of rise up around this. There's
Speaker 1: the anti dry Fusards, who are confusingly the ones who
Speaker 1: think Dryfus is innocent. Okay, yeah uh, and then there's
Speaker 1: the dry Fussard's who are raging anti semites um. Like,
Speaker 1: the dry Fusards think that that dry Fus is guilty.
Speaker 1: The anti dry Fussards think that he's yeah. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of how you'd think it would be.
Speaker 1: It's opposite day okay, got it. So dry Fuss is
Speaker 1: pardoned by the French president and released in nineteen o three. Eventually,
Speaker 1: just like and and in fairness to France, the weight
Speaker 1: of kind of cultural opinion is that Dreyfus is guilty.
Speaker 1: People come around on this and realize that they've done
Speaker 1: him dirty. Um. So he's released in nineteen o three
Speaker 1: and in nineteen oh six of French court formally recognizes
Speaker 1: his innocence. Now, the actual spy and the racist officers
Speaker 1: who conspired against Dreyfus were never punished. And one of
Speaker 1: the saddest things about the story is how kind of
Speaker 1: incomprehensibly loyal to the state Alfred Dreyfus is because after
Speaker 1: he gets out of years of being in prison as
Speaker 1: a spy, he rejoins the French army and fights in
Speaker 1: World War One. Yeah, he retires as a lieutenant colonel
Speaker 1: and dies at nineteen thirty five. He goes right back
Speaker 1: into the military. Dry until boy, like, bro, it is
Speaker 1: hard to get your head around these people don't love
Speaker 1: you family well, so, I mean, in fairness to him,
Speaker 1: a lot of folks there was a huge culture war
Speaker 1: in his defense. In a lot of cases people this
Speaker 1: is wrong. Um, so all things considered, for what is
Speaker 1: effective lee like a racist attack on a Jewish man
Speaker 1: at multiple levels of the military. The dry Fuss affair
Speaker 1: works out about as well as you can expect for
Speaker 1: drivers because he is he is vindicated in the end,
Speaker 1: but because of how much because of what kind of
Speaker 1: like evolves in France around believing dry Fuss is guilty
Speaker 1: and starting to believe that Jewish people are kind of
Speaker 1: inherently unloyal to the state. Uh supercharges the radical right
Speaker 1: in France, and it lays the foundations for French sympathy
Speaker 1: for the Nazis and a hatred of Jewish people that
Speaker 1: would claim tens of thousands of lives in World War Two.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote from that right up in the
Speaker 1: International Relations again quote. Before the affair, France had been
Speaker 1: one of the least anti Semitic countries in Europe. It
Speaker 1: in fact had been the country where the most Jews
Speaker 1: had sought political asylum. During the pogroms that took place
Speaker 1: in Russia during the eighteen eighties. Russian Jews escaped the
Speaker 1: massacres ordered by the Czar and flee towards the rest,
Speaker 1: predominantly France. Another event attesting to France's non anti Semitic
Speaker 1: past was that there was no French delegation at any
Speaker 1: of the annual congresses of anti Semitism that took place
Speaker 1: in Dressden. Yes, there used to be yearly congress is
Speaker 1: based on anti Semitism and Dressed that a bunch of
Speaker 1: European countries would send delegates to to talk about the
Speaker 1: danges you the the amount of anti like the Holocaust
Speaker 1: isn't a factor of the Nazis. The Holocaust is a
Speaker 1: factor of centuries of most of European christen of being
Speaker 1: like the Jews are dangerous, Like that's where it comes from.
Speaker 1: Just a slow moving train that ended exactly where logically
Speaker 1: it would end. Yeah, it was the result of for
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, lots of prominent people being like, we
Speaker 1: should murder these folks, and then they did. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the least surprising thing in the world if you
Speaker 1: read anything about European history. Um so. Yeah. But in
Speaker 1: France though, um that that's not really the case is much.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's anti Semitism in France, as the drivers affair shows,
Speaker 1: but it's not nearly what it was. It was one
Speaker 1: of the best places in Europe to be Jewish, and
Speaker 1: there were as dry This proves a lot of very
Speaker 1: loyal to France Jewish people. Um So, the anti Semmatism
Speaker 1: really starts to grow into a serious force in France
Speaker 1: as a result of the Dry Fust affair. The Driver's
Speaker 1: affair also leads to an explosion in the radical press
Speaker 1: for the first time in French history. Left and right
Speaker 1: start launching a series of newspapers and magazines aimed at
Speaker 1: taking different sides in a violent culture war. At the start,
Speaker 1: anti dry Fussard press outnumbered the dry Fusard press by
Speaker 1: about ten to one in terms of readership. So the
Speaker 1: guys who think dry fuss is innocent, that's the majority
Speaker 1: of the press at the beginning. But that doesn't stop
Speaker 1: the dry the dry Fusard press, which are the ones
Speaker 1: who don't like drivers, from publishing a constant stream of
Speaker 1: ever more lurid lies about a Jewish conspiracy to undermine
Speaker 1: the military. Now, some will argue that the whole reason
Speaker 1: the dry fust affair became a thing was because the
Speaker 1: press flocked to it, and that it might have disappeared
Speaker 1: um if they hadn't written so much about it. Scholar
Speaker 1: Jen Dennis Brennan wrote, the press became the power of opinion.
Speaker 1: It amplified the political movements without creating them. For the
Speaker 1: first time, the press disposed of a powerful influence on
Speaker 1: French politics, dramatizing supporting or denouncing the authorities. Now this
Speaker 1: is very familiar to everybody listening right now. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing that happened with like Q and on right,
Speaker 1: this radical press, the the and wh when we talk
Speaker 1: about radical press in this period, the people like mimeographing
Speaker 1: or whatever their own like little newsletters and stuff. It's
Speaker 1: the same as like memes and shipped on Twitter and
Speaker 1: ke went on it's like eight chance, that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: He's still ye still just dank memes, okay, And it's
Speaker 1: it's by the way, this basic process is the same
Speaker 1: thing that radicalize as Hitler when he's when he's like
Speaker 1: homeless living in Vienna, he starts picking up all of
Speaker 1: these crudely copied and written anti Semitic tracts that were
Speaker 1: passed out in mass on the street. That's what convinces
Speaker 1: him in a lot of ways about the danger of
Speaker 1: the Jewish menace. It's a lot of the same ship
Speaker 1: you see on h Chan. It's just now what happens online.
Speaker 1: Then it was like like zines you would pass out basically.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like some sort of psychological study
Speaker 1: or something that like lays out what that does to
Speaker 1: you mentally to see something that's like feels clandestined, if
Speaker 1: you will, Because it's like these like mimiograph things like
Speaker 1: the quality is terrible. So it's so does something in
Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, this is a secret. That's why
Speaker 1: it's not all polished and nice. It's like, does there
Speaker 1: someone if there's something to that where it's like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in on something. I know. There's psychology
Speaker 1: about that where you feel like you're in on something
Speaker 1: everybody else isn't it. It hits a certain part of
Speaker 1: your brain. It's man, But I wonder if there's something
Speaker 1: to do with like, how sucky the quality of like
Speaker 1: y are? This is the same? You know? I talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot. There's this one of the guys
Speaker 1: behind the Lincoln Project as a fellow named Rick Wilson,
Speaker 1: who is, like I think, objectively a bad person, um,
Speaker 1: but has been historically pretty good at creating certain types
Speaker 1: of propaganda. He was the guy behind the Reverend Right
Speaker 1: campaign ads during Obama's election. Um, yeah, he's that guy.
Speaker 1: And I interviewed him in talking about kind of his
Speaker 1: opinion on Hillary Clinton's campaign ads versus Donald Trump's because
Speaker 1: the first Trump campaign ads really felt like something some
Speaker 1: teenager had cobbled together on their laptop, and Hillary's ads
Speaker 1: were like traditional campaign as and everyone was a lot
Speaker 1: of liberals were making fun of Trump's ads, but they
Speaker 1: were getting this incredible traction. And the thing he told
Speaker 1: me was essentially like the really polished slip campaign ads
Speaker 1: don't work nearly as well as the ones that look
Speaker 1: like they came out of somebody's basement, because that feels
Speaker 1: real to people, right, Like, it feels more authentic. And I,
Speaker 1: you know, like, again he's a very bad person. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not bad at making propagande. And I think about
Speaker 1: what he told me a lot um and that's I think,
Speaker 1: what kind of what you're seeing here? I think you're
Speaker 1: exactly right. So the dry Fist affair would prove in
Speaker 1: the radical press that kind of comes out of the
Speaker 1: dryf this affair would prove to be the seed of
Speaker 1: a new militant right wing in France, one that came
Speaker 1: with its own stabbed in the back myth right. We
Speaker 1: talked about how the stabbed in the back myth in
Speaker 1: Germany was crucial now the right in Frances, like we
Speaker 1: lost the Franco Prussian War because the Jews, you know,
Speaker 1: um damn it. And it's it's worth noting that when
Speaker 1: the Nazis took over France, they actually had a problem,
Speaker 1: had serious problems logistically because of how many French people
Speaker 1: were turning in their Jewish neighbors. They couldn't deal with
Speaker 1: the sheer number of Jewish people being turned into them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was way more normal to give up your Jewish
Speaker 1: neighbors to the Nazis than it was to hide them
Speaker 1: in a lot of Europe, but in France too. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, like I have, we talked about so many times,
Speaker 1: like the parallels in the in like Syria and Iraq
Speaker 1: and Iran, like and I have you know, some of
Speaker 1: my homies out there, like we're trying to explain like
Speaker 1: how a caliphate kind of grows and this is a
Speaker 1: lot of the thing too. It's like this these like
Speaker 1: heavily armed dudes pull up to the house and are
Speaker 1: like are you a Christian? And you're like, uh nah,
Speaker 1: but they are you know what I'm saying, And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, or you down for the Caliphate? You down
Speaker 1: with us. It's like, uh, well, day's data ones down
Speaker 1: there said it's just like I just don't want you
Speaker 1: to drag my daughter out of my house. So yeah them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He just turned it down
Speaker 1: a dude down the street. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they are, you know. And and
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people that signed up didn't
Speaker 1: really sign up. They just you know, saying, it's just
Speaker 1: I just don't want you to drag my grandma out
Speaker 1: of the street, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a factor in it. There's a this is about the
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Holocaust. That's a complicated factor
Speaker 1: because a lot of people would claim in their defense later,
Speaker 1: like after during the Nuremberg Trial time that they had
Speaker 1: been forced to carry These are mainly German soldiers, they
Speaker 1: had been forced to carry out acts of genocide, and
Speaker 1: a significant amount of scholarship shows that, like it's actually
Speaker 1: was unheard of for German soldiers to be punished for
Speaker 1: not engaging in acts of genocide. Um, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of a lot of it was just
Speaker 1: it was a mix of like peer pressure and like
Speaker 1: legitimate radicalization. But that's a whole Holocaust is a whole
Speaker 1: another story. Um. But this is a part of the
Speaker 1: story of the Holocaust. Though. This is why part of
Speaker 1: why the French people in who are taken by the
Speaker 1: Nazis are so willing to turn in Jewish neighbors, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: And none of this should be seen as like kind
Speaker 1: of uh ignoring the fact that a lot of French
Speaker 1: people hid and protected their Jewish neighbors actually makes them
Speaker 1: much more heroic. But that was not the norm, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: So again, the dry Fust affair gives birth to the
Speaker 1: right wing in France. Um and it it's it's like
Speaker 1: it leads to this alternative media ecosystem that starts spreading
Speaker 1: propaganda at a at a huge rate. Um. Now, France, obviously,
Speaker 1: World War one comes around and France is one of
Speaker 1: the co co belligerents in that war, and they suffered,
Speaker 1: you know, terribly as a result. At one point three
Speaker 1: million French soldiers were killed and another million were left
Speaker 1: permanently disabled. Which makes which means that like in that war,
Speaker 1: France lost as many soldiers dead as the US has lost,
Speaker 1: more than the US has lost in all of its
Speaker 1: wars put together. Um. Damn. Yeah, it's bad. Um Yeah.
Speaker 1: Seventy of French soldiers who mobilized for World War One
Speaker 1: where either killed or wounded. Um. And this is not
Speaker 1: just include white frenchmen. This includes a huge number of
Speaker 1: colonial troops who were brought onto the continent by the
Speaker 1: French government to make up for the fact that after
Speaker 1: a while, German machine guns had them running low on
Speaker 1: white dudes, you know. Um. And one of the stories
Speaker 1: that's not talked about enough in World War One is
Speaker 1: how many people from India, people from chunks of Africa,
Speaker 1: from like all over the world, from the Middle East
Speaker 1: were brought in to die on the Western Front because like,
Speaker 1: we own these places and we can make them, you know,
Speaker 1: beauty of colonialism, You can just yet pull bodies from anywhere,
Speaker 1: pull them all from wherever. Now. The days and months
Speaker 1: after World War One's closed brought a wave of revolutions
Speaker 1: and insurrections across Europe. In Germany and Russia. As we've
Speaker 1: talked about, all these trauma mad young veterans were major
Speaker 1: instigators of unrest in what one scholar called the shatter
Speaker 1: zones of the empires that died as the war's conclusion um,
Speaker 1: which I think it's a neat term. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: all these paramilitary organizations start becoming more common, and France
Speaker 1: has spared the worst of this, in part because you know,
Speaker 1: they have their stab in the back from the War
Speaker 1: of eighteen seventy, but then they win World War One,
Speaker 1: which does kind of mean it reduces the avenues for radicalization. Right,
Speaker 1: people aren't as angry because the war was terrible, but
Speaker 1: they did win. You know, it's not as bad as
Speaker 1: it is in Germany or you know, Italy one too,
Speaker 1: but they kind of got screwed in the victory, you know,
Speaker 1: so there there's a lot more resentment in those countries. Um,
Speaker 1: France does have some unrest though, there's waves of strikes
Speaker 1: in early nineteen nineteen, but these didn't really disrupt the
Speaker 1: status quo. They did, however, terrify French conservatives. This was
Speaker 1: largely because those conservatives weren't seeing the reality of the
Speaker 1: strikes themselves, but were instead looking at the violence convulsing
Speaker 1: Russia as a result of its recent revolution and being like,
Speaker 1: that's what these people want to bring here, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so everybody's scared of whatever hell happened to Russia. Everybody is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a huge factor here, you know, and you have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that. Like we talk a lot about how
Speaker 1: the people on the left are terrified about what they
Speaker 1: see happening in France and Germany. People on the right
Speaker 1: are terrified about what they see happening in Russia and
Speaker 1: a lot of again, nine million people die in that war. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have the holludomor, which is five million Ukrainians being
Speaker 1: starved ares a result of some very fucked up policies.
Speaker 1: So like, they're not like when people are terrified as
Speaker 1: a result of what's happening in Russia. It's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, today people being scared of cultural Marxism because
Speaker 1: you know, someone wants to talk about slavery, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: basically they have very different that's a legitimate fear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's they have a leg to stand on right now. Again,
Speaker 1: they usually still take it to like, well now we
Speaker 1: have to just do fascism, which is yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: well bro, but but it's not quite the same. Um. So,
Speaker 1: the fear of French conservatives were exacerbated by a pattern
Speaker 1: of progressive social changes that came in the war's wake.
Speaker 1: The sheer number of men killed and rendered unable to
Speaker 1: work had to bring more women into the workplace. Right,
Speaker 1: you have a bunch of men who can't take part
Speaker 1: in capitalism anymore, so you got to bring in women.
Speaker 1: This brings in expansions and women's rights and a broadening
Speaker 1: of what was considered acceptable behavior. For the first time,
Speaker 1: large numbers of French women were both sexually and financially
Speaker 1: independent of men, and obviously this terrifies conservatives. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't have women making decisions. Yeah, they might, they might
Speaker 1: decide not to make more French babies, which is actually
Speaker 1: exactly where this leads because something called the birthrate movement
Speaker 1: pops up in this period of time. These guys are
Speaker 1: scared at declining rates of French birth. Now, they started
Speaker 1: whining in eighteen seventy one when Prussia beat France in
Speaker 1: that war because the French, right before they started blaming
Speaker 1: Jewish people, blame the fact that French people women weren't
Speaker 1: having enough babies, Like that's the thing, Like the right
Speaker 1: loses of war and they're like they have to find
Speaker 1: a scapegoats. So first it's the women, you're not making
Speaker 1: enough babies for us to send into German guns, which
Speaker 1: is obviously like ridiculous. We'll spoil an episode that we're
Speaker 1: going to drop soon. The reason France loses that war
Speaker 1: is because they have brass cannons that are basically Napoleonic artillery,
Speaker 1: and the Germans have modern steel cannons, and that's why
Speaker 1: France loses an eight one. That's the real reason. It
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with birthrate. Um yeah, how would
Speaker 1: it like, I'm even trying to follow your logic, like,
Speaker 1: there's not that many Germans. Yeah, it's not that many
Speaker 1: of it. What does Toddler going to do? You say, exactly? Um?
Speaker 1: But yeah, it does say something about the right wing
Speaker 1: that they're like, if we'd had more boys to send
Speaker 1: into their guns, we would have won. Yeah, okay. Um.
Speaker 1: And then of course, like after they you know, after
Speaker 1: a decade or so of blaming women, they start blaming
Speaker 1: Jewish people. Uh So, the kind of the birthrate movement
Speaker 1: got even more like gained more traction after World War
Speaker 1: One because this point a lot of French dudes had died,
Speaker 1: so they had a little bit more of a leg
Speaker 1: to stand on, like, we need to have more babies
Speaker 1: because look at how many of our boys got killed.
Speaker 1: A better answer, I think I'm just like man, I
Speaker 1: always these dudes like what I'm hearing them, just the
Speaker 1: stabbing the back thing. And then then we had no
Speaker 1: birth rate. I just wish these kids had like Little
Speaker 1: League baseball at some point to just like teach you
Speaker 1: how to take a loss, man, Just take the loss, bro.
Speaker 1: You lost none of them. That's the fucking thing. And
Speaker 1: it's the same fucking thing for like the Hindenberg and
Speaker 1: Ludendorf in Germany, where it's like, well, we can't accept
Speaker 1: that we fucked up, right, it has to be it
Speaker 1: has to be someone else's fault that we lost this war.
Speaker 1: Just take the l bro. Like sometimes you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you had a bad day, you know you just hey,
Speaker 1: buck up, champ, like you just you took your loss,
Speaker 1: all right, take the hell everybody takes ls. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like the fact. It's like it's like the American right
Speaker 1: wing blaming the fact that we lost Vietnam on like
Speaker 1: teenagers protesting. It's like, no, dude, like the Vietnamese kicked
Speaker 1: your ass. They were better. We just better. Like this
Speaker 1: is what happens. Sometimes you lose. Yeah, Usually you lose
Speaker 1: when you do stupid shit like it evade Vietnam or
Speaker 1: invade Afghanistan. Should away? Yeah. So anyway, obviously a bunch
Speaker 1: of members of the birth rate movement get elected to government.
Speaker 1: They pushed legislation to encourage childbirth YadA, YadA. In nineteen twenty,
Speaker 1: a conservative government is elected and immediately sets to pushing
Speaker 1: back against what they saw as a rising and sinister
Speaker 1: communist left. They were opposed by the labor government, which
Speaker 1: had been swelled by the war's need for heavy industry.
Speaker 1: During the first six months of conservative power, a series
Speaker 1: of strikes convulsed both French industry and public services. Still,
Speaker 1: the start of the twenties was a good time to
Speaker 1: be a French Conservative. The stain of defeat in eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy one had been wiped out by victory over Germany.
Speaker 1: The new right wing government was seen as being largely
Speaker 1: composed of herobic veterans, even though this wasn't really true,
Speaker 1: but the idea was that, like, these guys are all heroes.
Speaker 1: They're not normal, crooked politicians right there. They're men of
Speaker 1: the Trench generation. They could be trusted to make hard
Speaker 1: decisions to make France great again. So first on the
Speaker 1: wings agenda was of course, sticking it to the Germans.
Speaker 1: Just defeat. The defeated nations did a lot of money
Speaker 1: to France and reparations um and these were seen not
Speaker 1: only as spoils of war but were necessary to revive
Speaker 1: the French economy because the French had gone badly into
Speaker 1: debt to the United States in order to continue fighting
Speaker 1: the war. So they need German reparations to pay off
Speaker 1: the US. You know, um, uh, my money because I
Speaker 1: owe some money. Yeah, I need my money because yeah.
Speaker 1: So when the Germans begged that they couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: like feed their people and pay reparations, the French right
Speaker 1: wing assumed that they were lying, and this newly formed
Speaker 1: network of right wing newspapers and magazine starts spreading another
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. This one is that Germany actually hadn't been
Speaker 1: all that badly hurt in World War One. They just
Speaker 1: faked a surrender so that they could rebuild their military
Speaker 1: and sneak attack Germany. All of their complaints about economic
Speaker 1: collapse and inflation and starvation were lies meant to lull
Speaker 1: the French into a false sense of security, which yeah,
Speaker 1: is not the case. So the Germans stopped paying reparations
Speaker 1: because they were literally on the verge of societal collapse,
Speaker 1: and the French government sends in troops to occupy Germany's
Speaker 1: industrial heartland, and of course, a big one of the
Speaker 1: things that happened in this period is a lot of
Speaker 1: the troops they send over are like black people from
Speaker 1: their colonial possessions, which really jump starts a lot of
Speaker 1: racism in Germany. Um because like you know, nobody ever
Speaker 1: likes the occupying soldiers. Nobody, Yeah, nobody wants the messenger.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Um. Obviously, still one time I feel like
Speaker 1: in this age or in this era of history where
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a little more mercy for
Speaker 1: Germany when they're just like Doug, we may look, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't got it. Dog Like we just I ain't
Speaker 1: got it, you know what I'm saying. It's like it's
Speaker 1: your fault. Yeah, don't get me wrong, it's your fault.
Speaker 1: But you can't squeeze water out of a turn up fan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're fucking like the thing that they're guilty
Speaker 1: of in World War One in that era, and the
Speaker 1: reason that like France and Germany come down so hard
Speaker 1: on them is like they're primarily guilty of one to
Speaker 1: do what France and Germany had been doing for two,
Speaker 1: two or three centuries. You know, they wanted an empire,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well everyone else gets to do it,
Speaker 1: why don't we get it's bad to want an empire. Obviously,
Speaker 1: what the Germans do some really messed up stuff in
Speaker 1: the Maybia carry out a gainside themselves like but also
Speaker 1: up to World War One and including World War One,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at like the number of crimes against
Speaker 1: humanity committed by Germany versus France or England not even Yeah.
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty four, the French Conservatives get their asses
Speaker 1: handed to them in a landslide election, and the victors
Speaker 1: in this election are an alliance between socialists and radicals.
Speaker 1: Now again because everything in Frances backwards, the Socialists were
Speaker 1: the furthest electorally relevant left wing party. So the Socialists
Speaker 1: are like as far less like the Bernie standers as
Speaker 1: far left as you could be in French politics and
Speaker 1: still get elected. Obviously they're further left in than Bernie,
Speaker 1: but like they're as far left as you can be
Speaker 1: in France and get elected. The Communists hate the Socialists
Speaker 1: in a lot of case is because the Communists are
Speaker 1: further left than that and they're not really as relevant
Speaker 1: in the government as a result. The radicals are the
Speaker 1: exact opposite of with the sound like the radicals have
Speaker 1: the same kind of position in France. And this is
Speaker 1: at this period as Democrats do. They're the center left right,
Speaker 1: the majority left. Um. So the radicals are not radicals
Speaker 1: and the Socialists are not communists, but they are far
Speaker 1: left for French politics. Again, everything in Frances backward. Um.
Speaker 1: So the radicals and socialists had worked together in the past.
Speaker 1: Um they were allied, and that they all kind of
Speaker 1: broadly supported human rights, democracy and anti clericalism, pushing against
Speaker 1: like the Catholic Church. But they didn't get along on
Speaker 1: much else. The Radicals were the party of like the
Speaker 1: petite bourgeoisie, the lower middle class, small business owners and
Speaker 1: successful peasants. They were big on individualism and self reliance
Speaker 1: and of course property ownership as a method of social advancement.
Speaker 1: The Socialists are socialists. Their partnerships were always awkward, and
Speaker 1: for one thing, the Socialist Party had a standing that
Speaker 1: none of their deputies were allowed to accept ministerial posts
Speaker 1: and radical governments because they saw themselves as a Marxist
Speaker 1: revolutionary party and if they were seen as working within
Speaker 1: a liberal government, the Communists would eat them alive and
Speaker 1: suck in their disaffected members. So they get elected to
Speaker 1: what is effectively French Parliament or Congress or whatever. They
Speaker 1: have deputies, but they won't serve in the government of
Speaker 1: the radical majority because that would mean compromising the fact
Speaker 1: that they're Marxist revolutionaries. And the lose members to the
Speaker 1: communists then, and the communists hate the socialists because they're
Speaker 1: willing to get like elected at all, basically, um, and
Speaker 1: they're willing to work with the radicals. It's very very
Speaker 1: complicated and domb but it's also like basically what happens
Speaker 1: between the left all the time. Right, you've got the
Speaker 1: left that wants to actually govern, and you've got the
Speaker 1: left that's like the system is so fucked up that
Speaker 1: governing means buying into the things that we're fighting against,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. Yeah. Despite the fact that actual socialists
Speaker 1: like weren't taking weren't only take up ministerial jobs, and
Speaker 1: the fact that the left coalition didn't agree on much,
Speaker 1: the election of this new government, which is called the cartel,
Speaker 1: drives the right wing completely bug fuck and I'm sure
Speaker 1: Americans can understand what that look like. The conservative print
Speaker 1: media basically calls this stage one of a communist invasion.
Speaker 1: The socialists, who the communists hated were considered to be
Speaker 1: just the same as the communists, revolutionaries, and sheep's clothing.
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty six, the Cartel really pisses off the
Speaker 1: right wing when they approved the Washington Accords, which guaranteed
Speaker 1: that France would keep repaying her ward at to the
Speaker 1: United States even if Germany defaulted on their payments to France.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the Cartel brings the Germans into
Speaker 1: the League of Nations. The Cartel in France are like
Speaker 1: this liberal government, they're trying to rehabilitate Germany because Germany
Speaker 1: is kind of socialist at this point. They're like, let's
Speaker 1: bring them back into the national community, like we we
Speaker 1: can't keep ostracizing them as a result of World War One,
Speaker 1: and part of bringing Germany back in as they negotiate
Speaker 1: a more reasonable repayment arrangement with Germany that the right
Speaker 1: wing sees is the left selling out the country and
Speaker 1: it's war dead. Right, So yeah, do you just oh man, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting I feel like I'm feeling itchy on my back. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, everyone knows where this is going, yes, bro,
Speaker 1: Like and then and then the thing is this, it's
Speaker 1: like in the same way that we call that y'all
Speaker 1: call Bernie Sanders a radical leftist. I'm like talking about
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders talking about stuff that they do in Canada.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the communist bastion of Canada,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So like he ain't really
Speaker 1: radically not really that you know what I'm saying, lightweight,
Speaker 1: you know, And what I compare like a party to
Speaker 1: like they're the Bidens or whatever. I'm not saying They're
Speaker 1: politics are like it, it's like a comparative thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get the scale. I totally I'm totally following the scale,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying, yeah, in this scenario, it's like what
Speaker 1: they're suggesting is reasonable. They you're not gonna get your money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get your money if you kill the Germans.
Speaker 1: Let's bring them back to let them rebuild and will
Speaker 1: eventually get paid if they please be like this, if
Speaker 1: we never rehabilitate them. It's the same thing with like
Speaker 1: with like prison reform exactly this like it's just gonna
Speaker 1: keep No, we have to do this, this is reasonable.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get the result that we both want.
Speaker 1: So let me just and you Tom I'm selling you out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm getting itchy. Yeah yeah, So the years that Cartel
Speaker 1: is in power are basically a constant stream of outrage
Speaker 1: porn for the now exploding right wing media ecosystem. Okay.
Speaker 1: Newspapers like Action, Francois, Candied which means candid, Gringore, and
Speaker 1: Jesuit Part two which means I Am everywhere reach hundreds
Speaker 1: of thousands and eventually more than a million conservative French readers.
Speaker 1: The first of these was Candide, which had been established
Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty five and from the beginning was both
Speaker 1: anti democratic and anti Semitic. When Communism kind of went
Speaker 1: viral worldwide, it added a violently anti Communists to its repertoire.
Speaker 1: Candeed is followed by Gringar, which was named after a
Speaker 1: French journalist, and just Suite Part two was initially not
Speaker 1: anti semitic or right wing, but throughout the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: at the direction of its head editor, the paper got
Speaker 1: more and more extreme. In the late twenties and early thirties,
Speaker 1: it goes all in from Mussolini and it starts to
Speaker 1: get progressively anti semitic, until by the late nineteen thirties
Speaker 1: it was literally just a Nazi magazine. So these are
Speaker 1: like the big the big names and right wing media candy, yeah, candy, gringo. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So in the early years of the cartel, well, the
Speaker 1: French left is like I think, objectively, being pretty reasonable.
Speaker 1: The French right wing is losing its entire damn mind.
Speaker 1: And as will again sound familiar to everyone, the right
Speaker 1: wing reacts to the left having some success by forming
Speaker 1: a system of violent street fighting gangs so they could
Speaker 1: beat up their opponents in the streets. Um This was
Speaker 1: of course part of a trend in Europe that exploded
Speaker 1: from nineteen nineteen to nineteen twenty three or so. We've
Speaker 1: talked about this both in the case of Italy and Germany.
Speaker 1: Now again in France, there's less unrest and there's less
Speaker 1: angry veterans who want to tear down to the state
Speaker 1: because they in that state had won their war. So
Speaker 1: it takes longer in France for a paramilitary culture to
Speaker 1: really kick off. One of the most direct causes comes
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty four, as the study France and Fascism
Speaker 1: by Brian Jenkins notes, the right suspicions about revolutionary and
Speaker 1: anti national nature of the Cartel were apparently confirmed in
Speaker 1: November nineteen twenty four, when the government sanctioned the internment
Speaker 1: of the ashes of the socialist founding father Jean Jaure
Speaker 1: and the Pantheon. While socialists and radicals led a cortage
Speaker 1: to the Temple of the Republic, the conservative press focused
Speaker 1: on a communist counter demonstration held in protest at the
Speaker 1: parliamentary left hijacking of Jarre. The presence of noisy communists
Speaker 1: in the streets with socialist and radical deputy suggested that
Speaker 1: the cartel had accepted Bolsheviks into its ranks, and the
Speaker 1: Chamber of Deputies right wing deputy Pierre Tattinger denounced the
Speaker 1: revolutionary saturnalia of the day, which he claimed he had
Speaker 1: witnessed a true outbreak of revolution from the international underworld
Speaker 1: that infects France. Tadinger promised that if the government could
Speaker 1: not take matters into hand, the leagues of public safety
Speaker 1: are ready to defend and save are threatened society. Now
Speaker 1: the leagues are these these militant organizations, the street organizations.
Speaker 1: So what happens here is this socialist guy's ashes get
Speaker 1: brought back to France. It's like founder of the French
Speaker 1: Socialist Party and the socialists and the radicals. Is kind
Speaker 1: of a demonstration of left unity. Have a have a
Speaker 1: ceremony for this this dead socialist. The communists who hate
Speaker 1: everybody who's not a communist have their own rally, and
Speaker 1: they're more extreme, but they're very tiny, and they obviously
Speaker 1: hate the rest of the left. The conservative media looks
Speaker 1: at just the communist demonstration says, that's all of them,
Speaker 1: that's the whole left. They're all like these guys again,
Speaker 1: it's the same, nothing changes, nothing changes, you know, isn't
Speaker 1: going to change me asking you to take an yep,
Speaker 1: you know who won't uh radicalize the French right over
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Speaker 1: So this guy, I know you're gonna say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get your own gay. So this guy, Pere Tattinger,
Speaker 1: who will talk about in a bit, is a big
Speaker 1: advocate of these leagues, these right wing street fighting gangs,
Speaker 1: and he keeps like for years afterwards. He will talk
Speaker 1: about in November ninet this like one communist rally as
Speaker 1: and use it as like the whole reason why the
Speaker 1: entire left needs to be defeated. Um and a lot
Speaker 1: of like a huge chunk of Catholics and nationalists in
Speaker 1: France believe that like, based on again this one demonstration,
Speaker 1: a communist revolution is like right about to happen now,
Speaker 1: so this was made worse by the fact that the
Speaker 1: mid nineteen sufferance suffering economic contraction that, while not as
Speaker 1: severe as the one experienced by Germany, was pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Now you mix that in with the declining birth rate,
Speaker 1: and as Brian Jenkins rights quote, in comparison to the
Speaker 1: dynamic and youthful regimes abroad such as Mussolini's Italian Fascist State,
Speaker 1: the Republic did not seem fit for purpose. Sections of
Speaker 1: the right thus looked for a solution beyond the institutions
Speaker 1: of the regime to violent extra parliamentary groups known as leagues.
Speaker 1: So France is having trouble here, and the right, rather
Speaker 1: than like trying to take any accurate stock of things,
Speaker 1: looks at the propaganda coming out of the Italian Fascist State,
Speaker 1: which is not accurate, and it's like, see, everything is
Speaker 1: great in Italy. Why don't we do that? Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, dude, it's great. Uh So, the leagues
Speaker 1: are not quite like the black Shirts or the Free Corps.
Speaker 1: They're not heavily armed. Most of them are veterans, but
Speaker 1: they don't have like machine guns generally and like massive
Speaker 1: Like they're not private armies. They're groups of combat veterans
Speaker 1: generally who want to like drink and fight in the
Speaker 1: streets against the left. One of the first leagues was
Speaker 1: founded by that Pierre Tattinger, and he called them the
Speaker 1: Juness Patriots or the Young Patriots, and they were initially
Speaker 1: the youth wing of the League of Patriots, which was
Speaker 1: a political organization the same it's it's yeah, the young Republicans, right,
Speaker 1: turn the point USA or whatever. Patriots like, they're all
Speaker 1: proud boys, you know, they're all proud, proud boys. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the left recognize the League's
Speaker 1: as a threat um and they are. One French leftist
Speaker 1: Louver noted that since Mussolini's March on Rome, one could
Speaker 1: no longer so much as walk in the street without
Speaker 1: wearing a colored shirt. You know. He's talking about like
Speaker 1: they've got you've got the black shirts in Rome, the
Speaker 1: brown search in Germany, and now like all of our
Speaker 1: guys have their own shirts, their own colored shirts for
Speaker 1: each league's and he warns that. Louver warns that if
Speaker 1: these leagues were able to like stop fighting each other
Speaker 1: over petty bullshit and could unite under a single charismatic leader,
Speaker 1: the way would be open for what he called the
Speaker 1: rule of castor Oil and the grenade. So like, basically,
Speaker 1: we've got all these fascists. If they could unify behind
Speaker 1: one guy, we're in trouble. You know, there's the castor
Speaker 1: oil again. Yeah, it's a real thing in this period.
Speaker 1: So in this the left wing fear was you know, accurate, reasonable,
Speaker 1: but perhaps a bit premature. The French leagues regularly reprinted
Speaker 1: fascist brockpaganda and definitely admired the black Shirts, but they
Speaker 1: were also French, and if you know anything about France,
Speaker 1: it's that France kind of hates the idea of other
Speaker 1: people's cultures coming into France and gaining influence. They are
Speaker 1: very proud of being French, and even French proto fascists,
Speaker 1: like their Spanish counterparts, were kind of didn't like, would
Speaker 1: argue that they didn't want fascism because fascisms with foreign ideology, right,
Speaker 1: we were extreme rightists, but we want our own French
Speaker 1: version of that. We don't want to like steal from Italy.
Speaker 1: We're France, We're better than that. I was like, that's pretty,
Speaker 1: that's pretty on brand France. Yeah, it's very rand France,
Speaker 1: very France. Yea, So one scholar named Dobris. Is this
Speaker 1: the dilemma of the authoritarian nationalist, which is the fact
Speaker 1: that nationalists want to be authentically of their nation because
Speaker 1: fascism tends to gain power by reacting against purported foreign influence. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time they want to imitate successful
Speaker 1: authoritarians abroad, and this creates a problem for a lot
Speaker 1: of fascists. We again, we saw the same thing in France.
Speaker 1: Now the struggle within the French right over this continued
Speaker 1: through the mid nineteen twenties while the Leagues went through
Speaker 1: what Dobri calls an apprenticeship period to the Fascist International.
Speaker 1: So the French Shire behind the German and Italian fascist
Speaker 1: they're not as as quick. They're kind of learning from them, right,
Speaker 1: and they're slower on the uptake as a result. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: because a lot of awful lot of French League members
Speaker 1: were veterans, the League's benefited from what became known as
Speaker 1: the veterans mystique, which was a near worship in France
Speaker 1: of what we're called the Front generation. People celebrated the
Speaker 1: trench ocracy, which is like the democracy of the trenches. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: this is huge in Europe. It's not just in France,
Speaker 1: because in Germany, Hitler makes a lot of hay out
Speaker 1: of the fact that he'd been a corporal in the trenches,
Speaker 1: not like an officer or a nobleman, but a normal soldier. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think Americans can understand how like right wing
Speaker 1: groups can use veneration of veterans as a way to
Speaker 1: push their own radical lens. You know. Um yeah. Brian
Speaker 1: Jenkins writes about how one right wing fire brand named
Speaker 1: The Law used the idea of the pure trench warrior. Quote.
Speaker 1: The Law warned veterans that the Republic had sabotaged the
Speaker 1: hard won gains of the war. Only the installation of
Speaker 1: a fascist and dictatorial combatant state would restore France to
Speaker 1: the politics of victory. Likewise, the Young Patriots leader Tatinger
Speaker 1: extolled the virtue of the new elite born of war.
Speaker 1: His group alleged that the cartel had sabotaged the fruits
Speaker 1: of the war and clipped the wings of victory. These
Speaker 1: leagues were not attracted solely to the veterans supposed moral quantities.
Speaker 1: Only veterans were purported to join the Young Patriots, Iron
Speaker 1: Brigade and the Legions, both elite paramilitary action squads. Now,
Speaker 1: obviously most veterans don't join the League's uh, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them also joined communist veterans organizations. But the
Speaker 1: worship of veterans and the idea that the sacrifices of
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen had been betrayed by the leftist leaders of
Speaker 1: France becomes a popular right wing rallying cry in the
Speaker 1: mid twenties. Throughout this whole period, the right press continues
Speaker 1: to gin up a desire for the blood of their
Speaker 1: political opponents. One right wing journalist, politician, and street organizer
Speaker 1: named Charles Morris was jailed in nineteen five for threatening
Speaker 1: to have the Minister of the Interior killed like a
Speaker 1: dog if police kept at harrassing the leads. O. Lord, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a couple Marjorie Taylor Green or whatever her name is,
Speaker 1: the Q and on lady who's talking about that Jewish
Speaker 1: space later and probably helped carry out and incite and
Speaker 1: advise that sees the jew laser. Yeah, that that that lady.
Speaker 1: There's like three of her in France in this period, Okay,
Speaker 1: and Mars is kind of one of them. Now, Mars
Speaker 1: is an interesting guy. He was born a monarchist and
Speaker 1: it is what we would probably call a Catholic fascist today.
Speaker 1: His earliest politic call memory was the was the French
Speaker 1: defeat in the Franco Prussian War, which seems to have
Speaker 1: fueled a lot of his anti left hatred later in life.
Speaker 1: He became an anti democratic activist in the eighteen nineties,
Speaker 1: and then came the Dreyfus affair, and of course Maris
Speaker 1: is a dry fuss Art. He believes that Dryfus is
Speaker 1: guilty because he's Jewish, and he grows increasingly anti Semitic
Speaker 1: after the Dryfus affair. In eighteen ninety nine, he founds
Speaker 1: a newspaper uh Action France, which literally means French Action,
Speaker 1: and yes it does sound kind of like a porn.
Speaker 1: His magazine becomes very influential among the French right wing,
Speaker 1: and Marius uses his influence to, among other things, convince
Speaker 1: a lot of conservatives that destroying democracy and going full
Speaker 1: monarchy is the right thing to do. He writes an
Speaker 1: article in eighteen ninety nine titled Dictator and King that's
Speaker 1: about how we should have a dictator king and Franciso yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what France's problem is not enough kings, you know,
Speaker 1: what remember, we has served him. Yeah, and peddle back
Speaker 1: to that. Let's go back to that. That was amazing Ricketts.
Speaker 1: In nineteen o five, Mars starts writing articles about how
Speaker 1: swell it would be for the right wing to create
Speaker 1: extra legal paramilitary organizations and have them do a coutaita.
Speaker 1: When the league's rose up, Mars was thrilled, and soon
Speaker 1: Action Francais or Front the French Action, has its own league.
Speaker 1: When Mars goes to jail for threatening to murder a
Speaker 1: member of the government, his business partner at the newspaper
Speaker 1: says this to a gathering of their followers in nine
Speaker 1: if Mars were wounded or hit, I would at once
Speaker 1: give orders to have the ministers of the Republic immediately assassinated.
Speaker 1: So like the right wing isn't just like dog whistling violence,
Speaker 1: So like we should kill them all, we should kill
Speaker 1: everyone on the left. Yes, it's like like the American
Speaker 1: right now. So what do you so in what what
Speaker 1: way do you mean? I mean, I mean we shoot
Speaker 1: them today, we kill them, yeah, yeah, it's why. And
Speaker 1: then it's the same as what's been had, what happened
Speaker 1: ahead of the sixth you know, now obviously Marris and
Speaker 1: his business partner were not alone in their calls for
Speaker 1: violence against the left. I'm gonna quote from France and
Speaker 1: fascism here. Such calls to violence often went unheeded, and
Speaker 1: law and order were not threatened to the extent. Scene
Speaker 1: in Germany and Italy, however, low level physical violence was common.
Speaker 1: Newspaper sellers from rival organizations regularly came to blows in
Speaker 1: the street, while political meetings were frequently the scene of violence. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: despite their claims to stand for authority in order, the
Speaker 1: leagues could fight with the police. To the French actions
Speaker 1: created mayhem in the Latin Quarter and beyond beating political
Speaker 1: opponents and reveling in confrontations with the police. Meanwhile, a
Speaker 1: young Patriots leaguer died in March nineteen six during fighting
Speaker 1: with police at a demonstration against the Minister of the Interior,
Speaker 1: Louis Malvi. So they these organizations are kind of recruiting
Speaker 1: and growing because they're fighting with the left and they're
Speaker 1: fighting with the cops right now. In most of France,
Speaker 1: the armed paramilitary start to decline in popularity after nineteen
Speaker 1: and in France they mostly faded into the background, temporarily
Speaker 1: by nineteen twenty six, after two years of regular street brawls,
Speaker 1: they left behind them, in the words of some scholars,
Speaker 1: a culture of violent rhetoric, uniformed politics, and street fighting
Speaker 1: right which again very similar violent rhetoric, uniformed politics, and
Speaker 1: street fighting. The proud Bols know it's proud um. Now,
Speaker 1: this was not the end of violent unrest in France.
Speaker 1: Just to pause, because in nineteen six a new Conservative
Speaker 1: government gets elected and the cartel comes to an end.
Speaker 1: So that's why the league's kind of fade after twenty
Speaker 1: six is the Conservatives get elected again. It comes a
Speaker 1: home game again, okay exactly yep. And the reason the
Speaker 1: right wins in nineteen twenty six is that the left
Speaker 1: has fractured again. The Communist launch a series of attacks
Speaker 1: against the Socialists, who they call social fascists in fighting
Speaker 1: causes the less to temporarily dissolve this meaningful opposition, and
Speaker 1: this meant the League's also had a lot less of
Speaker 1: a reason to exist. Big business that's spent the previous
Speaker 1: four years pumping money into the far right, and they
Speaker 1: withdraw their financial support after twenty six, which causes the
Speaker 1: leagues to collapse. So the leagues are floated by rich
Speaker 1: businessmen who then like, well, now conservatives are in power again,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't want street games anymore. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: the temporary fall of the League's and the victory of
Speaker 1: the center right did not mean the fever swamps of
Speaker 1: far right media ceased operation, and no magazine or newspaper
Speaker 1: was more influential than French action from a right up
Speaker 1: end of all things. The Harvard Crimson quote it collected
Speaker 1: within itsels the inheritors of a tradition of nationalist, monarchist
Speaker 1: and reactionary thought extending back almost a hundred years. It
Speaker 1: was no mere cabal of a moral big businessman, such
Speaker 1: as supported the so called Committee France alec Main and
Speaker 1: the ultra conservative Grand Press, but a meeting place for
Speaker 1: distinguished and gifted intellectuals whose disdain for the republic was
Speaker 1: wholly disinterested, the result of literary and philosophical predispositions, not
Speaker 1: any desire to safeguard financial investments. So again, the far
Speaker 1: right in the in the period where the left is
Speaker 1: in control, is did by businessmen who are safeguarding their investments. Right,
Speaker 1: and that's why they want to fight socialists in the street.
Speaker 1: But the guy's propagandizing to the far right are true believers.
Speaker 1: It's not about money for them, It's about fascist you
Speaker 1: know about the thing? Okay, yeah so, and Mars being
Speaker 1: a monarchist is only marginally happier under a conservative government
Speaker 1: than liberal one. The king is still gone and he
Speaker 1: wants a fucking king. So throughout the years of right
Speaker 1: wing power in France, he continues to advocate for an
Speaker 1: armed coup is the only way to bring back the monarchy.
Speaker 1: It would have been easy for people in the left
Speaker 1: and mistake he and his followers for isolated loons, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the center particularly did. Then
Speaker 1: the global economy crashed, and in France it crashes with
Speaker 1: the right wing and power. And May of nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: two the left wins again. Their victory is again enabled
Speaker 1: by the fact that the radicals who are the moderates,
Speaker 1: ally with the socialists again to avoid splitting the left
Speaker 1: wing vote. So left continuously wins in France and Spain,
Speaker 1: uh and Germany when the left and the center left
Speaker 1: are willing to like work together electorally right um and
Speaker 1: the right is obviously enraged and terrified by what was
Speaker 1: surely a prelude to full on Stalinism. Now, I just
Speaker 1: said that, like the left consistently wins elections in Europe
Speaker 1: against the right in this period when you know they're
Speaker 1: all willing to work together. The problem with the far
Speaker 1: left and the center left working together is the same
Speaker 1: thing that we're seeing now under Biden. Liberals and the
Speaker 1: left can never get their ship together to agree on anything,
Speaker 1: and in France they can't put aside their differences to
Speaker 1: get a basic aid package together to help people with
Speaker 1: the depression, which again does not sound at all familiar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's my back tingle again. Yeah. So the socialist demand
Speaker 1: direct aid for the unemployed, while the radicals worry about
Speaker 1: the deficit and think that it's much more important to
Speaker 1: balance the budget exact thing, Okay, the radicals, who are centrists,
Speaker 1: their best idea is, of course austerity cuts in wages
Speaker 1: for public workers. The intractable debate between the socialists in
Speaker 1: the radicals leads to a series of different liberal left governments. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's like a parliamentary system, so you can have votes
Speaker 1: of no confidence, you dissolve the government, you bring in
Speaker 1: a new government, new ministers. This happens a number of times,
Speaker 1: and none of these governments are able to actually help people,
Speaker 1: and the French economy spirals downhill. The right wing correspondingly
Speaker 1: surges and it unifies behind the thing the right wing
Speaker 1: does best, picking up weapons and making death threats to
Speaker 1: people they disagree with. The leagues that had remained functional
Speaker 1: after nineteen six, namely French Action and the Young Patriots
Speaker 1: see a swell in their membership. They're soon joined by
Speaker 1: new leagues. In June of nineteen thirty three, a perfume
Speaker 1: magnate and fascist named Coti forms his own paramilitary group,
Speaker 1: which he uses to spread anti Republican authoritarian propaganda and
Speaker 1: pushes this through the newspaper that he owns as well.
Speaker 1: By February of nineteen thirty four, the Perfume Guys paramilitary
Speaker 1: gang slash newspaper is the most influential and largest fascist
Speaker 1: movement in France. Are you saying perfume? Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: perfume guy. Like France's most influential fascist gang leader is
Speaker 1: a perfume dude, the guy that like fragrance. Okay, I
Speaker 1: was big into the fragrance business. Yeah, this is again
Speaker 1: pretty on brand, pretty on brand. Cody's men wore blue
Speaker 1: shirts and lots of leather, and one has to assume
Speaker 1: smelled incredible. Yeah, it sound like they probably looked amazing too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. Yeah. Now, another fascist French guy
Speaker 1: named Marcel Bouchard starts a league called the Francists in
Speaker 1: the September of ninety three. Bouchard repeatedly praised foreign fascist governments,
Speaker 1: and he was famous for making long speeches about the
Speaker 1: almost sexual love he had for his revolver. Again, another
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green right, like I'm gonna take my clock
Speaker 1: into congress kind of guy. It's the same fucking ship.
Speaker 1: Just the worship of weapons and such. And then of
Speaker 1: course there's the Craw the Few, which is like the
Speaker 1: cross of Fire. This is an organization that had been
Speaker 1: founded as a veterans association for men who had been
Speaker 1: decorated for bravery and combat. So all of the crawl,
Speaker 1: if you, the Cossa firemen are like not just combat veterans,
Speaker 1: but men who have been particularly awarded for their courage
Speaker 1: under fire. So it's not founded necessarily as a right wing,
Speaker 1: radical militant organization, but it becomes one very quickly. Its
Speaker 1: leader is a guy named Colonel Laroq, and he holds
Speaker 1: military style parades and is not afraid to use his
Speaker 1: men as a political cudgel. And the way their organized
Speaker 1: is actually pretty genius. They have at their height about
Speaker 1: half a million officers and n c o s and
Speaker 1: their membership, and the officers and n c o s
Speaker 1: are each like put in charge of ten guys to
Speaker 1: other former soldiers who were of lower ranks, and their
Speaker 1: job is to get help with those guys for those
Speaker 1: guys using the resources of the league, and also control
Speaker 1: their votes. So the half million or so officers and
Speaker 1: n c o s and the Cross of Fire control
Speaker 1: about five million votes. They're very politically influential as a result.
Speaker 1: So these guys are right wing and kind of militant,
Speaker 1: but they're also very system loyal right there. Not we
Speaker 1: want to overthrow the government there, We want to organize
Speaker 1: as a political entity in order to dominate the government,
Speaker 1: so Brian Jenkins rights quote. In November of nineteen thirty one,
Speaker 1: the colonel and his followers stormed the stage at a
Speaker 1: meeting on disarmament at Trucadero, bringing an end to the proceedings. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the league's shock troopers called Dispose were employed to maintain
Speaker 1: security at meetings and fight the left in the street.
Speaker 1: In October nineteen thirty three, a new manifesto announced a
Speaker 1: more radically anti parliamentary direction, while the group opened its
Speaker 1: ranks to non veterans through its volunteers nationa auxiliary, so
Speaker 1: they get, you know, start more system loyal, and they
Speaker 1: get kind of more closer and closer to fascism as
Speaker 1: time goes on. As nineteen thirty four dawned, right wing
Speaker 1: paramilitaries were as organized and as large as they had
Speaker 1: ever been in France. The left was too was fighting
Speaker 1: too much within themselves to the with it between themselves
Speaker 1: to deliver any kind of meaningful aid that might have
Speaker 1: tamped down on unrest. Meanwhile, the right blamed the global
Speaker 1: economic collapse on their own leftists and of course the Jews. Um.
Speaker 1: They also are able to look abroad at the propic
Speaker 1: and that's being put out by Italy and now Germany
Speaker 1: and be like, look at how good things are going
Speaker 1: in the fascist countries where I assume I have accurate
Speaker 1: information from We should do that. What did they do
Speaker 1: that we're not doing? Yeah, they're not We're we're not
Speaker 1: killing enough leftists clearly yeah. And then, as everything in
Speaker 1: France is about as hot as it could get, what
Speaker 1: comes to be known as the Stavitsky affair bursts onto
Speaker 1: the front page of every rightist newspaper in France, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how long it takes you to like
Speaker 1: figure out what the most modern parallel to stay affair?
Speaker 1: All right? Sergey Alexander Stavisky was born in Ukraine in
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six to a Jewish family who'd immigrated to
Speaker 1: France in eighteen ninety nine. His father was a dentist.
Speaker 1: To Stavisky, however, was a born grifter. While still a teenager,
Speaker 1: he established himself as a con man. By the mid
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties had gotten good at it, making enough money
Speaker 1: to dress as a rich guy, even though he was
Speaker 1: constantly on the ViRGE of losing everything. Stavisky used his
Speaker 1: charisma and his ability to trick global rich people to
Speaker 1: keep the cash flowing France and fascism, writes Quote, he
Speaker 1: left a trail of fake companies, counterfeit checks and bonds,
Speaker 1: and fraudulent share transactions, and following his arrest in July
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six for stealing and stolen securities. He spent
Speaker 1: seventeen months in the Lessante prison while his case awaited trial.
Speaker 1: Following his release on medical grounds, the hearing of the
Speaker 1: case against him was repeatedly deferred nineteen postponements and all,
Speaker 1: leaving Stavisky free to launch a string of further dubious
Speaker 1: ventures under the alias Sergey Alexander. In ninety eight, he
Speaker 1: embarked on a scheme which the lucrative would eventually prove
Speaker 1: his undoing, the fraudulent exploitation of municipal pawn shops in Orleans.
Speaker 1: He extracted twenty five million francs from the pawn shop
Speaker 1: in exchange for fake gimstones, subsequently redeeming the stones with
Speaker 1: cash derived from the municipal pawn shop he had since
Speaker 1: launched in bay Own. This was a much bigger operation,
Speaker 1: and the credit was financed by issuing bonds well in
Speaker 1: excess of the value of the articles deposited. Cash was
Speaker 1: then realized through the sale of these fake bonds to
Speaker 1: banks and insurance companies. In the summer of nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 1: having spent lavishly and gambled heavily, Stavisky found himself unable
Speaker 1: to redeem the bonds and his attempts to win backing
Speaker 1: for a new operation, which he hoped would bail him out,
Speaker 1: yet again, were soon frustrated. That's the nature of his
Speaker 1: con Yeah. First it sounded like an assets it's pretty
Speaker 1: good lick man he is, he is it commn for
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah. So in September nine three, one of
Speaker 1: the businesses he can't, an insurance company, called for a
Speaker 1: judicial inquiry into his business. On December twenty three, the
Speaker 1: director of a pawn shop Stavisky owned broke down under
Speaker 1: questioning he did not just incriminate his boss, but also
Speaker 1: a local elected leader from the Radical Party. Stavisky immediately
Speaker 1: went on the run, fleeing Paris on Christmas Day, and
Speaker 1: just as quickly, the right wing press picks up the story.
Speaker 1: French Action and other newspapers launched a massive campaign to
Speaker 1: allege that not just the one guy implicated, but a
Speaker 1: whole host of Radical politicians, basically all of them, had
Speaker 1: been involved in a far reaching financial conspiracy. Since Stavisky
Speaker 1: was Jewish, you can guess how this folded in with
Speaker 1: all the fact that all of these papers also had
Speaker 1: huge heart ons for Hitler and Mussolini. One Radical deputy resigned,
Speaker 1: another radical, the Minis stir of the economy was found
Speaker 1: to have encouraged people to purchase junk bonds from Stavisky
Speaker 1: back in nineteen thirty two. So two radicals are implicated,
Speaker 1: like clearly, so he resigns and to the right this
Speaker 1: proves that all of the other deputies they've been accusing
Speaker 1: were guilty. To newspaper editors were also found to have
Speaker 1: been on Stavisky's payroll, which encouraged people to buy junk bonds.
Speaker 1: And then these guys are arrested, which feeds into the
Speaker 1: narrative that liberal presses on trustworthy and part of the
Speaker 1: Jewish conspiracy. As nineteen thirty four dawned, right wing media
Speaker 1: could write about nothing else but the Stavisky affair. And
Speaker 1: then on the ninth, with public interest at its height,
Speaker 1: Stavisky himself is cornered by police at a house in Chamois.
Speaker 1: He kills himself to avoid capture. So as soon as
Speaker 1: he kills himself, both the communist and the far right
Speaker 1: press leap on the story, alleging that Stovinsky had not
Speaker 1: committed suicide, he'd been murdered to cover up his connections
Speaker 1: to powerful leaders. He's the fucking French Jeffrey Epstein's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's the same thing. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have like a network of child prostitutes. But he's
Speaker 1: a guy who's implicated with a bunch of powerful people
Speaker 1: in a series of crimes. He goes to jail once
Speaker 1: he continues committing crime, implicates more powerful people, and then
Speaker 1: when he's cornered, kills himself. Yeah, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's like the exact Yeah, and and and
Speaker 1: and and the best part about the Epstein story they
Speaker 1: said the camera glitched. Yeah, and there's there's shady stuff
Speaker 1: like that with this right, it's not cameras because it's whatever.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. But yeah, no is a one
Speaker 1: to one bro. Yeah he doesn't. Just like with Epstein,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter if he killed himself or was murdered,
Speaker 1: the same thing with this guy. What matters is that
Speaker 1: everyone on the far left and the far right is
Speaker 1: sure that he was murdered in order to protect liberals,
Speaker 1: right center politicians. There's too much at stake, you know,
Speaker 1: who won't murder Jeffrey. Ye you can't because he already did.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's already dead, so they definitely won't kill him.
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Speaker 1: we're back. So the radical president is that he's still
Speaker 1: alive though, Like I feel like your oyebreak is yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not going to actually prove that, Robert,
Speaker 1: I am not. I'm not making any conclusions about Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein on this podcast. I'm just saying that, like Epstein,
Speaker 1: this guy Stavisky is said to have killed himself, and
Speaker 1: nobody who's on the left or the right really believes
Speaker 1: there's Yeah, there's one definitive thing you could say about
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein is that, I don't care how many dollars
Speaker 1: you put it before and after his name, he is
Speaker 1: a pimp. Yeahs is a different kind of pimp, but
Speaker 1: to pimp, and this guy's is pimp in yes, this
Speaker 1: is a different lick. He's selling different products, same thing. Anyway.
Speaker 1: So the radical president, like the or not president, but
Speaker 1: like Prime Minister of France, who's again a article, does
Speaker 1: his best to ignore the scandal, arguing that it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal, like, yeah, the guys who were implicated
Speaker 1: already got arrested, Like it's not a big deal. Um.
Speaker 1: And it might have even been true that, like the
Speaker 1: only people implicated had been caught, but that doesn't really matter, um,
Speaker 1: because obviously this becomes a huge conspiracy, and the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister refuses calls from both the right and from his
Speaker 1: socialist allies to call for a parliamentary inquiry into the
Speaker 1: whole situation. This just makes everything worse, proven to many
Speaker 1: Frenchmen that there had been a conspiracy. Brian Jenkins Rights
Speaker 1: what might be called the dialectics of conspiracy thus played
Speaker 1: a significant role in the escalation of crisis. Stevitsky's death
Speaker 1: gave decisive impetus to conspiracy theories on the right and
Speaker 1: intensified the campaign both in the press and on the street. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the perception on the left that the scandal was being
Speaker 1: orchestrated for sinister political purposes led the government to harden
Speaker 1: its opposite its position and refused to make concessions. This
Speaker 1: in turn gave the impression that the government was engaged
Speaker 1: in a cover up and therefore must have something to hide,
Speaker 1: thereby further reinforcing the rights spiracy theories. However, in this
Speaker 1: competitive press environment, it was inevitable that the more radical
Speaker 1: and scrillious newspapers that set the pace and tone for
Speaker 1: others to emulate. It was French action that crystallized public
Speaker 1: opinion around them and orchestrated the developing affair each day,
Speaker 1: adding fresh names to its dossier of suspects, and decisively
Speaker 1: raising the temperature on seventh of January with the headline
Speaker 1: down with the Thebes and an inflammatory appeal to the
Speaker 1: people of Paris. Most of the conservative press simply follow
Speaker 1: their lead, albeit in less flamboyant language, which in turn
Speaker 1: helped legitimize the message. Again, the truth doesn't matter. What
Speaker 1: matters is the narratives that take off. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: From January nine on, and this is there were demonstrations
Speaker 1: and street violence almost every night in Paris every week.
Speaker 1: The crowds grew larger. On Saturday, January, the situation was
Speaker 1: bad enough that the present resign and the government dissolved
Speaker 1: or the prime minister whatever resigned in the government dissolved.
Speaker 1: This was seen as a big victory by the right,
Speaker 1: but nobody knew what came next. The left are still
Speaker 1: the elected leaders. Right, you dissolve the government, you don't
Speaker 1: kick out all the deputies who have been elected. You
Speaker 1: just pick a new prime minister and new ministers. Right,
Speaker 1: that's what it means. And the left is still like
Speaker 1: gets to decide who the new government is and they
Speaker 1: bring in a new liberal president, guy named Dlatier. Now,
Speaker 1: while all this is happening, the socialists the only part
Speaker 1: of the left coalition that has not been horribly tainted
Speaker 1: by the Stavisky affair. It's radicals that are implicated. The
Speaker 1: socialists are not. The radicals need the socialists both to
Speaker 1: keep the government from being dissolved and to avoid a
Speaker 1: deeper investigation into the matter. So yeah, probably a bunch
Speaker 1: of more radicals were guilty. You know, they really don't
Speaker 1: want there to be an investigation. So since they had
Speaker 1: the radicals over a barrel, the socialists decided to make
Speaker 1: a demand of their own. Being good leftists, this demand
Speaker 1: is that the radicals fire the Paris Chief of Police,
Speaker 1: John Chiappa, because he was a piece of ship who
Speaker 1: sympathized with fascist paramilitary groups. Of course, the far right
Speaker 1: loves Chiappa, and they see his sacking and the radical
Speaker 1: promises that the police will be reformed. So the radicals,
Speaker 1: in order to keep the government going and avoid an investigation, like,
Speaker 1: we'll fire this guy and will completely reform the Paris police.
Speaker 1: That's the socialist's demand, and the right wing is like
Speaker 1: this is like, this is clearly the precursor to a
Speaker 1: communist revolution. They're trying to get rid of the police
Speaker 1: so they can take over the streets and take all
Speaker 1: of our money. Right, yeah, dog man. So this starts
Speaker 1: at ticking clock on the right because they think that
Speaker 1: there's this comic plot being carried out and they've only
Speaker 1: dazed to act in order to avert it. Laroc, Colonel
Speaker 1: Laroc of the Cross of Fire, declares his paramilitaries to
Speaker 1: be defenders of public order. One League French Solidarity declares
Speaker 1: civil war is imminent, while the Young Patriots claim the
Speaker 1: country is in danger. A wholesale purge is being prepared. Newspapers.
Speaker 1: Right wing newspapers run articles about how communist revolutionaries are
Speaker 1: on the verge of seizing power. Colonel Laroc warns his
Speaker 1: followers a government who signs the red flag wants to
Speaker 1: reduce you to slavery. We are threatened with sectarian dictatorship. Nothing,
Speaker 1: it's familiar. Yeah again, nothing that's ever happened again in
Speaker 1: any of this is so frustrating, I know, it's terrible. Yes,
Speaker 1: So elected leaders were also pushing these lines. Philip Henrio,
Speaker 1: a deputy from Bordeaux, was a Catholic militant who believed
Speaker 1: that the Stavisky affair was a Jewish Masonic conspiracy to
Speaker 1: destroy France. On three occasions in January, he took to
Speaker 1: the rostrum of the Chamber of Deputies to demand right
Speaker 1: wingers rise up and sweep the republic. British journalist Alexander
Speaker 1: Worth was in Paris at the time, and he wrote
Speaker 1: this in early February. Already on Monday, Paris was full
Speaker 1: of wild rumors. Troops, it was said, had been brought
Speaker 1: into Paris. If the demonstrators were to cause trouble, the
Speaker 1: government would not hesitate to use tanks and machine guns.
Speaker 1: The work would be entrusted to Moroccan and Senegalese soldiers
Speaker 1: who would have no compunction about shooting down their white
Speaker 1: fellow citizens. And it is, by the way, one thing
Speaker 1: you kind of have to give the French in this
Speaker 1: period is that they are kind of the first Western
Speaker 1: government to have a significant number of non white citizens.
Speaker 1: They do that, not that they treat them equally or anything,
Speaker 1: but like it is a thing that happens in the
Speaker 1: sevres really um. But why God damn man. Of course
Speaker 1: they use them for shock troops. You know of course,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like it was about time that
Speaker 1: one of us say something funny. But it's yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: I just got nothing because it's just so on the
Speaker 1: freaking nose. It's exactly all. It's exactly what's happened, you know.
Speaker 1: So this prop brings us to February six, nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 1: The French government assembles for a vote of confidence and
Speaker 1: Prime Minister Daladier so a vote on whether or not
Speaker 1: he's going to keep being the prime minister or they're
Speaker 1: going to dissolve the government again. Uh. And I found
Speaker 1: a French history website herodoty that describes how things started,
Speaker 1: quote and all hardly more than thirty thousand demonstrators, a
Speaker 1: large majority of them who were ex combatants. Everyone is
Speaker 1: mobilized on the theme down with thebes and a demand
Speaker 1: for more civility and honesty in the government. At the start,
Speaker 1: at the call of Lieutenant Colonel de la Roc. The
Speaker 1: cross of fire quickly dispersed as soon as the first
Speaker 1: clashes with the mobile guard occurred. Although it arrived at
Speaker 1: the end of the afternoon at the gates of the
Speaker 1: Palais Bourbon, Larent and his veterans refused to occupy it.
Speaker 1: Their dispersal makes any possibility of overthrowing the regime by
Speaker 1: force feudal. But on the other side of the sign
Speaker 1: around the Palace of the Concorde, the demonstration degenerates. Thousands
Speaker 1: of activists try to march on the Palais Bourbon, the
Speaker 1: Bourbon Palace. I guess, so what happens here is this
Speaker 1: crowd starts like and and the cross of fire. Guys
Speaker 1: are a huge chunk of it, starts marching on the
Speaker 1: gates of the capitol, and as soon as the police
Speaker 1: get engaged in, the crowd starts fighting with the cops.
Speaker 1: Colonel Laroc calls his men back, but thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of other right wing militants continue to surge ahead and
Speaker 1: keep fighting the cops, And as night falls, the protests
Speaker 1: go from being just aggressive and violent to being an
Speaker 1: active attempt to storm the capital. Protesters light busses on
Speaker 1: fire and destroy property, tearing down barricades and barriers as
Speaker 1: they attempt to breach the Chamber of Deputies, where Parliament
Speaker 1: is an active session. The police panic when the crowd
Speaker 1: starts to break through the barricades and they open fire.
Speaker 1: Some in the crowd fire back and by the end
Speaker 1: of it all as many as twenty six, but we
Speaker 1: don't have an exact death told. Some will say twenty
Speaker 1: six people were killed and more than fifteen hundred are injured.
Speaker 1: Some will say it's more like, you know, five to
Speaker 1: ten and a thousand injured. But it's it's everything that
Speaker 1: happened in the capital and the sixth except they don't
Speaker 1: get intoside the capital because the French like order forces
Speaker 1: just start shooting, like firing into the crowd with what
Speaker 1: rifles um. So the riots continue for days, marking what
Speaker 1: most liberals and leftists would come to see as a
Speaker 1: coup attempt by the far right. This is probably fair,
Speaker 1: but it's also true that after the ninth the communists
Speaker 1: start coming out and force in the streets and do
Speaker 1: a lot of rioting themselves, and actually, like three or
Speaker 1: four days after the attempt to storm the capital, a
Speaker 1: lot of what's happen in on the street is being
Speaker 1: done by the communists. They didn't attempt to breach the
Speaker 1: Chamber of Deputies, though the whole affair terrifies everybody, and
Speaker 1: Prime Minister d Lattier resigns on advice from the police
Speaker 1: and army to avoid further violence. For the first time
Speaker 1: in the history of the Third Republic, street violence had
Speaker 1: brought down a French government. The week of February sixth was,
Speaker 1: in fact the most violent period of political unrest in
Speaker 1: France since the Commune of eighteen seventy one. Not everyone
Speaker 1: in the right is thrilled by this. Mars, head of
Speaker 1: French action, seems to have panicked immediately from the Crimson quote.
Speaker 1: Though he often considered the possibility of the coup in
Speaker 1: books and in the pages of his movement's newspaper, it
Speaker 1: is doubtful that he ever actually planned a revolution. On
Speaker 1: the one occasion which fate presented to his grasp, the
Speaker 1: riots before Chamber on February six ninety four, he did nothing.
Speaker 1: Professor Webber calls the sixth of February a victory lost.
Speaker 1: Maris's hesitation at what seemed the very gates of power,
Speaker 1: though this impression was exaggerated, was, as Professor Weber says,
Speaker 1: the moment of truth, which showed up the emptiness of
Speaker 1: almost every one's position. The parliamentary regime was shown to
Speaker 1: be a tottering, precarious structure. The rightest writers had made
Speaker 1: their point, but the right itself was exposed as well,
Speaker 1: exposed as a lot of theorists sorely lacking in the
Speaker 1: capacity to carry out their dreams. French Action had organized publications,
Speaker 1: public meetings, a party structure that extended through France, but
Speaker 1: they lacked the will to power. They were incapable of
Speaker 1: a Munich push, much less to ten year conspiracy to
Speaker 1: capture parliamentary power. At the moment of reactions greatest political
Speaker 1: triumphs in Europe, French fascism collapsed. Wow, it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: familiar at all. Yeah, I've never and again, fucking um
Speaker 1: Mars here he's like Alex Jones almost right. He's this
Speaker 1: guy who's telling everyone overthrow the government. And then when
Speaker 1: they start, because Alex Jones is there on the sixth
Speaker 1: and d C, he fucking leaves as soon as people cross.
Speaker 1: At first, I thought, when you saw about the other
Speaker 1: dude that ended up being Epstein, I thought it was
Speaker 1: Jones at first. No, no, no, no, Sisky's your Epstein. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's definitely Epstein. But at first, when we first started talking,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's sound like a little Alex No,
Speaker 1: but no, that's Mars is your Alex Jon He's just
Speaker 1: like oh wait, oh no, I just wanted to make
Speaker 1: money telling people to the volt and getting them like
Speaker 1: jinned up. I didn't actually want that to happen. That's
Speaker 1: scary as hell. Yeah, y'all, y'all actually pull triggers. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Um and current. You can see Colonel de
Speaker 1: Laroc kind of in the same light, although you could
Speaker 1: also argue that he was just very state loyal right
Speaker 1: like he wanted a new government. He was, he wanted
Speaker 1: less democracy, but he wasn't about to storm the capital. Um.
Speaker 1: So the main outcome of February six was that the
Speaker 1: elected right wing grows closer and closer to the insurrectionary
Speaker 1: far right. It also unifies the left wing, inspiring a
Speaker 1: popular Front in France that takes power after a brief
Speaker 1: period of conservative rule falling Daladier's fall. The nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: six French Popular Front was at its core an anti
Speaker 1: fascist political union, and domestically it does a good job
Speaker 1: of stopping the French are right from capturing power, and
Speaker 1: this has actually led to a theory in French historiography
Speaker 1: that France's itself immune to fascism in a unique way. Um.
Speaker 1: The story goes that a mix of France's long standing
Speaker 1: democratic traditions and the fact that it's right wing is
Speaker 1: split between its own native brands of extremism means the
Speaker 1: country can't fall into fascism. This is nonsense, I will
Speaker 1: tell you right now. I think this is sucking bullshit. Um.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of scholars. The book France
Speaker 1: and Fascism is a very long scholarly treatise on why
Speaker 1: this is bullshit. Um. But a lot of French scholars
Speaker 1: after World War Two will argue this that like France
Speaker 1: is immune to fascism. Um. The reality is that France
Speaker 1: came very close to falling too fascism on the sixth
Speaker 1: and it did fall to fascism in now. This is
Speaker 1: by conquest, right. The Nazis, the fascist out gain power
Speaker 1: in France by elections. The Nazis conquer France. But when
Speaker 1: the Nazis take over, they needed to find a bunch
Speaker 1: of willing frenchmen to run v she France. And they
Speaker 1: find a ton of these guys, a huge and already
Speaker 1: radicalized group of French fascists who are ready to chip
Speaker 1: in and help out. And most of these guys who
Speaker 1: run v she France from the Nazis takeover. Are people
Speaker 1: who had been involved with the February six insurrection, right, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: like a ton of these day. Yeah, it's crazy that
Speaker 1: it's the six also yeah, and it's and it's the same,
Speaker 1: it's February six, right, it's very auntic. Like when I
Speaker 1: started reading about this, I was so fucking shocked because
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, well, you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to find a good comparison to the January six, there's
Speaker 1: aspects of the Munich coup, there's aspects of of of
Speaker 1: the of the March on Rome, but like, oh, ship, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's feb six four, that's exactly what happens. Um.
Speaker 1: So a lot of French fascists who had been a
Speaker 1: part of, you know, what happened on the sixth wind
Speaker 1: up joining the Nazis. Remember Philippe Henrio, the Henriotte whatever,
Speaker 1: the right wing deputy who was basically the French q
Speaker 1: and on Glock congress person who was like, we need
Speaker 1: to overthrow the government. While he's in the government under occupation,
Speaker 1: this guy becomes the voice of Radio Vishi, broadcasting Nazi
Speaker 1: propaganda to millions of frenchmen. Pierre Tattinger, who founded one
Speaker 1: of the first paramilitary leagues, became the president of the
Speaker 1: Paris Municipal Council under the Nazis. Jean Chiapa, the fascist cop,
Speaker 1: was made high Commissioner of the Lavant, but thankfully died
Speaker 1: in a plane crash pretty soon after that, when he
Speaker 1: shot down over Lebanon by the Italian's accidentally. Yeah, Mars
Speaker 1: celebrated the Nazi victory as a divine surprise. Now, he
Speaker 1: was not a Nazi because he fucking hated German people,
Speaker 1: but he hated Jewish people more, and one of his
Speaker 1: chief complaints about the occupation is that it was too
Speaker 1: lenient on Jewish people. When the Third Reich fell and
Speaker 1: France was liberated, Mars was arrested and indicted for complicity
Speaker 1: with the enemy based on the pro Nazi articles he
Speaker 1: published at the start of the war. He was sentenced
Speaker 1: to life imprisonment. Upon his sentencing, Mars is said to
Speaker 1: have exclaimed, it's Dreyfus's revenge. Oh God, you brought it
Speaker 1: all the way back. It's perfect. It's a perfect circerfic
Speaker 1: O man, and somebody screenshot at his tweets put him
Speaker 1: in prison. Yeah, that's exactly what happens, more or less,
Speaker 1: and that prop is the story of February six, nineteen
Speaker 1: thirty four in Paris. All right, great time my one
Speaker 1: word haunting? Yeah yeah, yeah, I like yeah, because I
Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't know much about this either. So
Speaker 1: when I was joining the chorus of everybody who's fascinated
Speaker 1: with history, going guys, I'm telling you like this, we've
Speaker 1: seen this before. I don't know, I know there's no
Speaker 1: one to one, but we've seen something like this before
Speaker 1: this one. I'm like, oh, this is the clothes. This
Speaker 1: is the closest too. Like you said in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh damn, I wasn't even counting this. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was some somebody sent me and I
Speaker 1: honestly forget who it was, but somebody, like somebody who
Speaker 1: I have texted with on signal text, said like you
Speaker 1: should look into January six, nineteen thirty four, and I did,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, this is the same thing.
Speaker 1: So obviously it was a great a great you know
Speaker 1: episode for are the fascists who failed part of this? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of lessons to take out of
Speaker 1: this one of this is that the right loses when
Speaker 1: the left and liberals work together electorally. And other is
Speaker 1: that when the left and liberals work together electorally, they
Speaker 1: generally can't agree on enough to do anything that will
Speaker 1: actually stop the fascist from getting stronger. Um. That was
Speaker 1: one of my that was one of the biggest lessons
Speaker 1: I'm learning about this one is just like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: so progressive, we're so well. Me and my wife call it.
Speaker 1: You're so open minded, your clothes minded, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So like you just can't get it together
Speaker 1: because you're not open minded enough, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's you know, I think a lot could argue that
Speaker 1: it's largely on the radicals because they have more power
Speaker 1: in the government and they kind of refused to do
Speaker 1: any sort of meaningful aid that could actually um have
Speaker 1: have clamped down on the far right. But also, like
Speaker 1: I don't want to like Negate number one, Like the
Speaker 1: media is a huge part of this, both in the
Speaker 1: United States and in France. Right, this alternate media ecosystem
Speaker 1: kind of means that like maybe even if the radicals
Speaker 1: had agreed with the socialists and they put out an
Speaker 1: effective aid package, would that have been enough to overcome
Speaker 1: the propaganda. And I don't know, nobody does. Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I forget that there's a modern historian too.
Speaker 1: It's like we went from the information age to the
Speaker 1: age of belief to the belief age. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like we've actually switched ages. It's not information,
Speaker 1: it's belief, you know. So like and this media circus
Speaker 1: that we're all in of, like you know, the closed
Speaker 1: ecosystem of your of your confirmation bias means that information
Speaker 1: don't matter, belief do so. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like like you said, like one could speculate,
Speaker 1: I just feel like anyone, anyone votes for somebody that
Speaker 1: puts food on a table, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, if you put if someone's not into
Speaker 1: the specificities of of caring for and others, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like the way that we think
Speaker 1: about government and the way that it processes. But just
Speaker 1: as simple as I need to be able to feed
Speaker 1: my kids, and you're making this possible, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, In a time that like I can't just
Speaker 1: go get it myself, you know, then why would I
Speaker 1: not vote for this? You know what I'm saying, Why
Speaker 1: would I not back this? Like, you know it cut
Speaker 1: me a check for two grand a month. I think
Speaker 1: it's great, you know. Yeah, And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things do lar Rock in this Cross the Fire group, like,
Speaker 1: they actually do provide aid to other struggling veterans, and
Speaker 1: that's a big part of their power and why they're
Speaker 1: able to all get together on stuff. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's there's a lot in these lessons.
Speaker 1: There's a lot in the stories of just like France
Speaker 1: and Spain were like one of the things we see
Speaker 1: when you compare them to Germany, it is that when
Speaker 1: the police and the military are more on the side
Speaker 1: of at least the center and democracy than they are
Speaker 1: on the side of the right, the right can't gain
Speaker 1: power through an insurrection. Right in Germany and Italy, the
Speaker 1: police and the military are on the side of the fascists,
Speaker 1: and so the insurrections work, um, you know eventually yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean in the Munich insurrection is stopped by the
Speaker 1: police and stuff. And like the reason the Spanish Civil
Speaker 1: War becomes a war is because most of the military
Speaker 1: and most of the police in Spain don't go with
Speaker 1: the fascists in France. It's kind of the same thing. Um,
Speaker 1: which is a lesson. I think there's a great lesson,
Speaker 1: confusing lessons in all of this. Yeah. Um. Another is
Speaker 1: that regardless of what the far left does, the far
Speaker 1: right will turn them into everyone who is left of center,
Speaker 1: right yeah yeah, and even if they don't do anything,
Speaker 1: they'll lie. It's like the kind of thing where you know,
Speaker 1: liberals during the election, we're like, look at the like
Speaker 1: all what you know, these anti for kids breaking all
Speaker 1: these windows are gonna lose us the election to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's actually not what happened because the
Speaker 1: right are we're so propaganda. Is that no matter what
Speaker 1: Antifa did, it wouldn't have if they just marched peacefully
Speaker 1: in the streets, the propaganda would have would have made
Speaker 1: them seem like the coming of a communist revolution. Um.
Speaker 1: What matters is that liberals not buy into it. And
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I feel like we did, where
Speaker 1: you were just like, hey, the the fund the police
Speaker 1: would have lost his election. Look, man, don't shoot at us.
Speaker 1: Dog Like yeah, look it did, isn't you know? It
Speaker 1: did hit number one. You know what I'm saying, you like,
Speaker 1: and as much as we could, unfortunately it's like well
Speaker 1: Trump fumbling Corona. Like it's like really yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, so like, don't look man, same
Speaker 1: team bro. I'm just trying to tell you this is
Speaker 1: a good idea. Yeah man, Yeah, yeah, it's There's a
Speaker 1: lot a lot to next episode, our penultimate episode behind
Speaker 1: the Insurrections. We're gonna talk about the business plot. Um,
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Speaker 1: funny because like just now, one of the predictions, we're
Speaker 1: not just now. Last week, one of the predictions came true. Uh,
Speaker 1: and we kind of did a little funny little roast
Speaker 1: about that was the prediction of like the Proud Boys
Speaker 1: being infiltrated. Oh yeah, I told you I was infiltrated. Guys. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's one of the things that's
Speaker 1: frustrating to be about the Proud Boys is that, like
Speaker 1: Enrique Terrio was an FBI informant um. And this is
Speaker 1: being taken by a lot of the left to mean that, like, well,
Speaker 1: the f the Proud Boys were an FBI op from
Speaker 1: the beginning, and like, of course that's not really how
Speaker 1: it like, it's this it's this thing, you see, it's
Speaker 1: the thing that j Edgar Hoover wrote about were like
Speaker 1: one of his goals with co Intel pro was to
Speaker 1: make the FBI seems so powerful and omnipresent that people
Speaker 1: would think they were responsible for everything. Um, And it's
Speaker 1: less that and more that like Enrique Tario is the
Speaker 1: kind of person who is immediately going to roll on
Speaker 1: everybody that he was involved with. UM yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 1: that that that Yeah, that like goes back to me
Speaker 1: like in the left where I'm like, in the same way,
Speaker 1: I'll be looking at like a lot of the right
Speaker 1: wing people and I'm like, yo, where's your antenna's man,
Speaker 1: like discerned this situation? You Like, that's not what's happening.
Speaker 1: You feel me? And I feel like with this one,
Speaker 1: that's one of those situations to where I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said the whole thing is an FBI front, Like
Speaker 1: like it's come on, man, we anten is bro. No,
Speaker 1: they got a guy of course, a bunch of them
Speaker 1: were talking to the FEDS. Yeah they got like yeah,
Speaker 1: they saw the same they saw the same problem as
Speaker 1: we saw, and they said, we better do something about
Speaker 1: this ship. You know what I'm saying. We don't want
Speaker 1: another gang that's like one another gang. Yeah, We're we're
Speaker 1: the top gang, you know, yes. Um, but it's like
Speaker 1: people will believe what they believe. It's like with Epstein
Speaker 1: and with Stevitski, you know, yeah, you know, maybe he
Speaker 1: killed himself, maybe he didn't, you know, he maybe was
Speaker 1: murdered because he knew. And it's like, you know, fucking
Speaker 1: a with both Epstein and Stevitsky, you look at the
Speaker 1: response of the people in power to and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking sus You know, you don't want his
Speaker 1: you do not want his pass code, you don't want that.
Speaker 1: If if that fool's phone got hacked, broken into all
Speaker 1: the text messages on that, yeah, it's all bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean it comes back to the fact that
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why conspiratorial thinking can be so
Speaker 1: influential and spread so quick, can be so hard to fight,
Speaker 1: is that there's a funk load of actual conspiracy is
Speaker 1: happening all the time. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing with like, like like we talked about the
Speaker 1: anti Baxter thing, where it's like, it's not like the
Speaker 1: medical industry is helping you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like perdue pharmaceuticals reputation helps people
Speaker 1: trust vaccine. You know what I'm saying. A sackler family
Speaker 1: and ship like, y'all crooks. I know you're crooks. That's said.
Speaker 1: I don't know nobody that got polio. Mm hmm. You
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I was waiting at this when
Speaker 1: to talk about the to talk about the Trout bait
Speaker 1: shop tweet. That was brilliant. I'm giving you what was it?
Speaker 1: Funk around and what was what was it about the
Speaker 1: the bait shop? Was it? It was funk around and
Speaker 1: I'll find out. Yeah, oh yeah, funk around and find
Speaker 1: Trout around and find Trout. I was like, let's go
Speaker 1: id Like to me, I was like, look, that's you
Speaker 1: caught out. Whatever you want. That's a brilliant I think
Speaker 1: we can make a lot of money. That's that's my
Speaker 1: that's my retirement plan. It's funk around and find Trout.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant. It's brilliant. Let me tell you why, because
Speaker 1: I wait, one time in my life too. Uh oh,
Speaker 1: we talked about before when I ended up in Wyoming
Speaker 1: and wantanna fly fishing. Just on the most the most
Speaker 1: random thing. I just got these friends in different places
Speaker 1: that allow me to do just white ship right. But
Speaker 1: it don't have to be white ship. It don't have
Speaker 1: to be like what if I like fishing, what if
Speaker 1: I think rainbow trout is beautiful. It's just uncomfortable to
Speaker 1: walk into the trout store, the fish store, and look
Speaker 1: around and just be like, oh, I look like a
Speaker 1: don't belong here, Like you made it very clear that
Speaker 1: I should not be in this place. But if it's
Speaker 1: called around and find trout, I'm like, let's shop there. Bro,
Speaker 1: this fool cool. It's it's a it's a radical intersectional
Speaker 1: bait and tackle shop, delicious and rainbow trying. I'm I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like a b minus pestytarian, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I basically eat fish, except I live in boiled heights,
Speaker 1: So the tacos are flawless, So break rules for the tacos.
Speaker 1: But bro, tuck around and find trout. Let's go fuck
Speaker 1: around and find trout Day y'all. Have y'all made the
Speaker 1: C shirt yet? Oh no, no we have not, but
Speaker 1: now that it's been in an episode, we can needs
Speaker 1: to be a T shirt anyway. Anyways, that's that's the episode.
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