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Speaker 1: you doing? Honest? Making notes part of my job. This guy,

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Speaker 1: I were watching your show what Butcher and a Moose yesterday?

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Speaker 1: And he says, we're chatting about the cast of characters

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Speaker 1: person was either foolish, slash delusional or simply a hardcore,

428
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: unabashed leftist with no rebuttal from you. I have to

429
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: assume you basically agree with this wolf in sheep's clothing.

430
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: I obviously do not personally know Mr Fosberg. I'm simply

431
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: forming an opinion based on his own words. If these

432
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: are the type of people you support, but which I

433
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: guess he means. If I would support a person who

434
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: has a personal opinion about that it was a mistake

435
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: to withdraw from the Paris climate a chord, then I

436
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: will move on. It makes your podcast into another a

437
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: media media attack on people like me. Just be warned

438
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: that a leftist like this, when the time comes, will

439
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: cut the throats of hunters everywhere. Give him the chance.

440
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Um a couple of thoughts there one advance really like,

441
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: really gonna stop listening? That is heartbreaking to me. If

442
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: I had stopped listening to everyone that said something I

443
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: didn't agree with, I wouldn't listen and talk to you,

444
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: cal you, Yanni, or my wife or my kids. There

445
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: would be no one at all I would listen to,

446
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and I would just have to separate myself from everyone

447
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I know. Put your head in a hole in the ground,

448
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: put my head in the hole in the ground, because

449
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: it is unavoidable that you will find a way to

450
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: only hear things you agree with. So I just feel

451
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: like you should reconsider if you're out there and you're

452
00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: apparently not, I feel you should reconsider, um the other

453
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: part of it. And I see this quite often where

454
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: I finally like, you'll have a guy like with Fosburgh

455
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: who devotes his life to hunting and fishing. So that's

456
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: what he did growing up, that's what he does now.

457
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: He's devoted his life to hunting and fishing, and it it

458
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: was inspired by his love of hunting and fishing to

459
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: advocate on behalf of fishing wildlife. And there's like this

460
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: thing that happens, this sort of movement that happens often

461
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: you hear like the green decoy thing or whatever, where

462
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: it's like people go like, oh, if you have some

463
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: viewpoints that are regard as like a liberal viewpoint, then

464
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: you don't really actually like hunting and fishing, even though

465
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: that's all you've done your whole life, and even though

466
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: your career is based on hunting fishing, you don't actually

467
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: like it, and you will cut the throat of hunters

468
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: and fishermen first chance you get. It's like as though

469
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: looking for the enemies of hunting and fishing, you have

470
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: identified the people who like it most to be the

471
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: one who would like betray whereas a guy that hunts

472
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: and fishes and doesn't give a rats ass about fishing

473
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: while they've habitat is somehow more trustworthy. Like I like I,

474
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't understand the perspective. I understand, um, what it's

475
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: like to be annoyed by someone's viewpoint. Like if I'm

476
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: talking to someone and they're telling me how they think

477
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: that under no circumstances should there be capital punishment, for instance,

478
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, dude, I totally disagree. I don't

479
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: then be like, and you know what, I disagree, and

480
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the guy that turns your back on

481
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: hunters and fishermen. I just like, I don't see that.

482
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't see the correlation. Yeah, you know something I'd

483
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: like to bring up with that is that, um, we

484
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: hear that a lot about who that these people would

485
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: do this, and you would think that this is like

486
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: a real thing that maybe over the course of history,

487
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: over the course of hunters being conservationist, we would have

488
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: like an example and where these people could be like, yeah,

489
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: remember so and so that's some bitch. He hunted and

490
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: fish his whole life. He was just baiting the trap,

491
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: just baiting the chap and then he did it. He

492
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: did this whatever some hunting and fishing guys. However, however,

493
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: he did it, you know, with some legislation or some

494
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: rule or law or who knows what. But yeah, if

495
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: you have an example of that, please because I'd like

496
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: to understand it better. Um, you know, and we flirted

497
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: around with political discussions all the time. And the reason

498
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: politics makes me uneasy because I'm fifty real conservative and

499
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: real liberal depending on what part of the things I'm

500
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: looking at. So I'm like completely alienated by politics. There's

501
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: virtually no politician that I respect, um because I, no

502
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: matter what, disagree with half the stuff out of their mouth.

503
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: Uh No, here's another guy who said something. Here's here's

504
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the kind of that I really like. Here's the guy

505
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: saying where Wit was wrong about something? So thank you

506
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: for writing in has enjoyed the last show is to

507
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: do every episode to keep up the good work. But

508
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: with Fossburg was incorrect when he said hunting is permitted

509
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: in Maine woods and waters National Monument. So so the

510
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Cadada National Monument. I gin that's how you pronounced is

511
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: how you pronounce account. You know, it's like one of

512
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: those annoying names where you're like, no, it's Sherry tells me, yeah, Stefan,

513
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: not Steve. So he goes on to say it is

514
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: in fact prohibited in the majority a small portion on

515
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: the east side of the Panov Scott River. I believe.

516
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: Now I wentn't check down the mapter and this guy's right.

517
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: The bulk of that monument you can't hunt. There's a

518
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: handful of black east of that river that you can hunt.

519
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: So we were wrong, he says. As a registered main guy,

520
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: I strongly opposed this, He goes Honestly, I'm very supportive

521
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: of conservation and preservation efforts with regard to this landscape.

522
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: He says his opinion the timber industry has decimated the

523
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: forests of Maine. I say this as a former lagger,

524
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: maybe a future lagger again, but as a hunter, I

525
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: am deeply troubled by the loss of hunting access to

526
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: this large area, especially when it provided the type of

527
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: remote experience which is steadily disappearing in the Northeast. For

528
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: this reason alone, the monument does not have my support

529
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: on this issue. Ryan Zinkie and I agree. Please correct

530
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: this air and make hunters aware of this law of

531
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: the loss of this once great opportunity. We cannot stand

532
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: to lose many more of such areas. This guy's named Bill. Bill.

533
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you man, in any case, in

534
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: any possible scenario, hunting and fishing and in my opinion,

535
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing should be allowed on national monuments only,

536
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: not only because I believe in extending hunting and fishing

537
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: access wherever possible, just as a jet as a rule,

538
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: but particularly with national monuments, because why deprived the This

539
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: is like the side thing. Why deprived the monument of

540
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: that level of engagement from the public. The best buddies

541
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: you can have, The best buddies you can have when

542
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: it comes to wildlife management and land management is the

543
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing crowd. Stay on their good side you

544
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: will have. Right now, we're having this big national debate

545
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: about the legitimacy of monuments. When having that argument and

546
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: fighting that fight, you should have hunters and fishermen on

547
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: your side. What was Cold Dad Uh Woods and Waters

548
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: National Monument before it was a national monument. That's not

549
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: the place that was collections of public lands. I believe

550
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: there's a huge private in holding too. Isn't this the

551
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: bird's bees wax story? I don't know? Trying to find

552
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: out more quickly. Well, this feller is calling it a loss.

553
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Yann to keep checking it as we go. We'll return

554
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: to this idea in a minute. I hate to think

555
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: that it jumped into this unprepared. Well, I'm just doing mail.

556
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: We're talking about this guy, Quentin hunting. Oh, here's a

557
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: good one, right for this calian. This brings up two

558
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: points you wanted to bring up or tease them up.

559
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: Scott says, Hey, I was just listening to this podcast

560
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: and you were speaking about certain species of fish you

561
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: need to bleed and others who don't. You brought up

562
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the fact that most of the species you bleed are

563
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: red meat fishes. I believe the reason you bleed some

564
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: species and not others is because of the types of

565
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: muscle they possess. White flesh fish such as walleye and

566
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: perch have muscle compositions of primarily anaerobic muscle because of

567
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: the burst of motions swimming style they employ, meaning fish

568
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: lays in the bottom kind of chills. See something he

569
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: wants to eat whilst ass over there and grabs it

570
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: real fast and then goes back and chills out like

571
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: anaerobic bursts of energy. Salmon, on the contrary, presents possess

572
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: primarily aerobic muscles because they participate in sustained swimming. Yeah,

573
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: like a salmon doesn't go land the bottom in the ocean.

574
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: He's like a plagic fish cruising around all the time.

575
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: This guy goes on to say the aerobic muscles require

576
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: higher rates of respiration, which need a greater blood supply

577
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: to the muscles. I'm not positive about this, but the

578
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: correlation seems to be great, and the theories seem to

579
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: be backed by what I have learned in my collegiate classes.

580
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Just food for thought. Now, this aerobic anaerobic muscle thing

581
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: is interesting because if you look at like, think of

582
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: game birds, all the game birds, you know, waterfowl upland

583
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: which ones have white flesh breasts and which ones have

584
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: dark flesh breasts kyl Yeah, Well, pheasants r at the

585
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: ditch chicken classic white white meat bird chills out and

586
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: has an occasional explosive flight rough grouse chills, occasional explosive flight,

587
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: dark meat, not dark dark um, not like a goose.

588
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: Birds are kind of in this category, a little darker.

589
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: It's a spectrum. It's a spectrum, sure, but it's a

590
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: little dark tim a little darker. No difference in behavior. Yeah,

591
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: but what I'm talking about is this, I'm talking about

592
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: talking about waterfowl. Oh yeah, waterfowl s. No goose breast

593
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: very dark. This guy would get up and he's gonna

594
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: cover hundreds of miles in a single flight, sustained flight,

595
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: dark dark meat. Yes, and think about a wild turkey.

596
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: Where's the dark meat on a wild turkey? All the

597
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: legs up on his feet, one and around all the time,

598
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: white breast, short bursts of flight. Yeah, now, now here's

599
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: a weird deal. You look at a sage grouse. I

600
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: think got a sage grouse. His thighs are lighter than

601
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: his breast. So I don't think it's a universal principle,

602
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: but it is interesting. And just to bring it back

603
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: around to the fish thing, I think that there's something

604
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: too it. I have like grown up fish and fresh

605
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: water in the Great Lakes, right. I never once met

606
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: a guy who bleeds waally or bleeds perch or bleeds bluegill. Yeah,

607
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, and then most guy, anyone that knows anything,

608
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: bleeds salmon. And you and I are ripped a couple

609
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: of gills on rockfish just because just out of habit

610
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: and there's nothing happens. You know. My brother said, I

611
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: was asking my brother Danny, who is a fisheries biologist,

612
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: about that rock fish has such a slow metabolism, has

613
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: such a slow sorry, has such a slow like slow

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00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: low flow blood flow. Yeah, that when you bleed him,

615
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't force any blood out. Yeah, super small heart

616
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: moves very slow because they're living to be twenty years old.

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00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: You know. There's an idea about animals. It's kind of

618
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: like roughly is like a heart is good for so

619
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: many beats. You have a finite amount of beats, yeah,

620
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: because you want to like like how long is a mouse?

621
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: Like what's a mouse's heart rate? And like mammals, okay,

622
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: what like what's a mouse's heart rate? Very high? And

623
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: how long does it live? Very short? Very low lifespan.

624
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: So there's this idea that like a heart's good for

625
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: so long, how long you live? It's like how long

626
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna take you to suck up the heartbeat that

627
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: how long is it gonna take you to to use

628
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: up your allotted quantity of heartbeats? And then it isn't

629
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: being kind of interesting when you look at heart rates

630
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: and life expectancy of different mammals and our our friend

631
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: here is getting an extra beat every now and again. Yeah,

632
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's burning through it even faster because of

633
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: his problem. No, yeah, I mean that's what I'm telling you, guys,

634
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: say that the people that suffer from that severe venturacle

635
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: techiardia might be pronouncing that wrong, but that that's like,

636
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: that's the the bad symptom of it is that your

637
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: hearts doing too much work that it shouldn't be doing,

638
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: and it's gonna wear out faster sooner. Yeah. Do you

639
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: want to talk meat? Yeah? I can do another meat one. Yeah.

640
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: We can come back to this cataton thing too, if

641
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: you guys want to. I can just reach like a

642
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: real quick paragraph paraphrase paragraph from Wikipedia on the history

643
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: of it, please, so we could at least know so.

644
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Roxanne Quimby, co founder of like Cal, said, bird's bees,

645
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: like soaps and whatnot. Yeah, have sticks stuff began purchasing

646
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: land near back to State Park in two thousand one

647
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: before formally announcing their plans in two thousand eleven, and

648
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: the land would one day become part of a national park.

649
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: But there was state and federal opposition to those to

650
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: those plans, and so they changed the focus to doing

651
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: a national monument, which could just happen through uh the

652
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: Antiquities Act and the proclamation by a president. So they

653
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: did that on um well, August six. They donated land

654
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: valued at sixty million, plus twenty million in additional funds

655
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: for operations and then a commitment of twenty more million

656
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: in future support to the federal government so they could

657
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: keep the thing going. So then August August sorry, Obama

658
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: proclaimed thousand, five d sixty three acres of land as

659
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: the Canada Woods and Waters National Monument. So that's only

660
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: beef with what was his name, Bruce, I can't remember

661
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: with with with with you know him right in that

662
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 1: they bought it up, so they didn't buy it from

663
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: the state. So that's totally like, that's totally in the gates. Yeah. See,

664
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: it's such a confusing world. This is the monument issue

665
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: is incredibly confusing, and the issue from my perspective, is

666
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: always that each one is much more of an individual

667
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: versus let's say wilderness. Right, people have a basic understanding

668
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: of wilderness. Uh, probably because of the name. They're like, oh, yeah,

669
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: it's a whild what what flies and what doesn't fly?

670
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: And what flies and what doesn't fly? Right, And most

671
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: folks who go outdoors can be like, oh, yeah, wilderness.

672
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: I think you can't ride your bike in there is

673
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: and you can't operate heavy machinery, you can't have a chain.

674
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: Virtually true. Virtually true. You're right, Um with the monuments. Uh, gosh, man,

675
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: I have no excuse not to be fully up to

676
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: date on this story. But I believe because of the

677
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: nature of you're going from private land, uh, acquired by

678
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: the federal government. Um, that came with some strings attached. Yeah,

679
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure so that may all right? Damn it, yeah,

680
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: damn it should should have been more well r at

681
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: on this one. Well, you know what, you know, I

682
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: could go in. I have the power to go in

683
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: and make it. This conversation never happened, and that the

684
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: letter never came. You're just going through your mail. But

685
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna because I'm just gonna leave it over

686
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: to the fact that like, um, it's a tricky, complicated

687
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: world out there, you know. Yeah to the gentleman that

688
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: road in, yeah, check that out man. Maybe the feller,

689
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: the b guy that bought up all the land, whoever

690
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: used to own it, was like, come on, come all,

691
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: hunting fish all you want. So maybe that's what's going on. Yeah,

692
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: it's it's possible. I um, there are ways, uh to

693
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: make some changes, Like let's walk through this one as

694
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: it just to explain like a way that a public

695
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: land thing can become public. We haven't talked about Sabanosa,

696
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Am I saying it right? Sabanosa? Okay, Now, in New Mexico,

697
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: you have a wilderness area that was completely landlocked, and

698
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: landlocked is and landlocked means we had a a federally managed,

699
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: publicly owned wilderness area that you couldn't get to because

700
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: any road there was no road access to it. There

701
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: was no way to walk into it without crossing private property.

702
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: So the wilderness area was basically a playground for anyone

703
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: who happened to own a joining land. There was no

704
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: legal way for you to like park your car and

705
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: walk into the wilderness. And because it's wilderness and you

706
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: can't fly in and land a helicopter. There was no

707
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: way to get there. Yeah, unless you wanted to pay

708
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: uh an access fee or uh perhaps going with an

709
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: outfitter that was operating off of one of those private holdings,

710
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: so you could pay your way in. You could pay

711
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: your way in. But think of, man, it was off

712
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: to the work and stuff. It was cut off to

713
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: the work and stuff and what and think of the

714
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: incentive to keep that stuff locked up at your landowner.

715
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: You get an extra ultimately twenty thousand acres. Yeah, it's

716
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: like I own a hundred acres, but actually I opened

717
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: one acres because only me and a select few neighbors

718
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: can get into this block in this chunk land. So

719
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: a guy, this is a cool story that just happened.

720
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: The guy owns one of the there's a guy that

721
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: owns one of these ranches that borders the wilderness aary,

722
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: the Sabinosa Wilderness. They owns one of these ranches, and

723
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: his ranch is a bridge. There's a bridge between this

724
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: wilderness area that the public owns but can't access in

725
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: the road and public easement. Yeah, he comes to the

726
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: federal government and says, I'd like to give you guys

727
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: this ranch I would like to donate this ranch to

728
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: the American people so that the American people can access

729
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: their piece of land that they're now not able to

730
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: get at. It took a little wrangling and Senators you

731
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: Doll and Heinrich from New Mexico got involved in helping

732
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: to orchestrate this deal, and Interior Secretary Zinkie got involved

733
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: and how to orchestrate this deal, and it just became official.

734
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: The ranch is now the property of the American people,

735
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: managed for them by the federal government, and it is

736
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: now an access point and trailhead to go into the

737
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: sabinas the wilderness area. Yeah, I believe it's managed by

738
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: the BLM. Is who's in charge of that wilderness they

739
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 1: I was just hunting to patch a ground not long ago,

740
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of like equipment ship laying around

741
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: out in the mountains and a body mismy. He's like, dude,

742
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: this used to all be private. It was purchased by

743
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation willing seller, willing buyer. It

744
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: went up for sale. Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation took donor money,

745
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: which is what the kind of their specialty. They took

746
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: donor money bought the whole damn place and handed it

747
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: over the BLM to manage. I didn't even know this.

748
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: I've been hunting on it. Didn't even know that it

749
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: was like r M e F purchase to become public land.

750
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: Public land has there's like some complicated stories there, man,

751
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: very complicated. Yeah, And and unfortunately on whatever side of

752
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: this um, whether you'd like to see everything privatized or

753
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: everything public, you can tell a pretty convincing story on

754
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: either side, because nothing's totally black and white. Yeah, there's

755
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: a guy I want to have on the podcast I've

756
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: been reading up on lately who um Uh. His deal

757
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: is is that public land doesn't really exist. His deal

758
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: that like public land basically any public land that was

759
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: traditionally grazed by livestock people is basically like a collaborative

760
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: ownership between the grazer and the government. And there's no

761
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: real such thing as public land as we understand it now.

762
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: He thinks it's all a sham and it is this

763
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: coming out of the basis of he comes out of

764
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: the egg industry. Okay, but it's not like a land

765
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: has no value until it is cultivated type of thought. Yeah,

766
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: that kind of I think he I think he comes

767
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: out of that angle. Okay, I'd like I want to

768
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: get I want to contact him and have him on um.

769
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like. I like, even if he's right,

770
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't really care, right, I don't like like if

771
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: someone said, you know what, I've looked and looked and looked,

772
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: and it turns out that you should be able to

773
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: enslave other individuals. I've I've studied the Constitution, and it

774
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: turns out if you read it the right way, the

775
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: way I interpret it, there's no problem with you going

776
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: over to your neighbor and enslaving him at gunpoint. It's legal.

777
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, okay, sweet, I'm gonna go and

778
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: and enslave my neighbor now, right, Like, I don't really care,

779
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: because it would still be it's just like, you know

780
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: what I mean, convert still be like, well, yeah, that

781
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: might be true, but I'm not going to do that. Right,

782
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: But I still like to talk to the guy that Sabonosa.

783
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of groups involved in that. And uh,

784
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go down there and and uh kind of

785
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: take a quick tour of the place when Zinki visited,

786
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: and and uh it's sweet country in there. So you

787
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: had a look. Oh yeah, yeah, I had to look.

788
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: See Now did you go down there? Were you, like

789
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: in the company of the various political figures who were

790
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: gathered down there? Yes, yeah, yeah, so I was invited

791
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: down through you know, really a bunch of mutual friends,

792
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: uh all of us UM and uh the National Wildlife

793
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: Federation New Mexico Chapter UM has been a big part

794
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: of that. UM back Country Hunters and Anglers UM uh

795
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: and so so many groups at that point because it's

796
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: been going on for over ten years, UM that I

797
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: really shouldn't be listing anybody because lots of lots of

798
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: folks involved. But really you do all Heinrich, the county

799
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: commissioners blm um, they've they've really made it happen. So yeah,

800
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: but gorgeous country odd ab uh invasive species but uh

801
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: cool cheap country in their big elk, big mule deer.

802
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: One of the volunteers kind of took me aside and

803
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, here, you're mule to you're gay. Yeah,

804
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: check this out. And I was like, oh my goodness.

805
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: So one of New Mexico Senators, Heinrich, who was involved

806
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: in this while he was a senator. He went in

807
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: to uh when National Forest was he hunting in It's

808
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the big name brand one that everybody we hunted it

809
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: before him. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just kidding. Yeah, one

810
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: of New Mexico senators while a senator went into the

811
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: HeLa on a on a permit draw muzzloader hunt and

812
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: killed a bull out with a muzzloader. Bad country. He's

813
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: an end user, which is damn rare. Yeah, not many

814
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: dudes in the Senate. Paul Ryan likes a hunt a lot.

815
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really know what all hunting

816
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan does. I know Paul Ryan likes to hunt

817
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Um tim it's important. Hinrich likes the hunt. Yeah. Yeah,

818
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: Paul Ryan is a big bow hunter. Yeah, big time.

819
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how much time he has for it now,

820
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: So I got that guy spends a lot of time

821
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,959
Speaker 1: sort of situations out. Sounds like his neighborhood's pretty tough.

822
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to talk to him sometimes about hunt and yeah,

823
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: and Heindrich likes it a bunch. No, just started listening

824
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: to the podcast going backwards through him. That's cool. He's

825
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: on the fish Shack and episode. Okay, never mind, all that.

826
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: The guy's a sushi chef and you wanted to comment

827
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: on something. We're talking about salmon making sushi and sashimi

828
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: from your salmon, and how it's hard to get it

829
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: the way that that that it is in a sushi restaurant. Yeah,

830
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: and we're also talking about how most people won't do

831
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: it with the coho that we had caught and that

832
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: we were doing it with. Ye, and we're like, is

833
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: it not the way? Yeah, We're like, is it not

834
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: the way? It isn't a sushi restaurant because of what

835
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: something we're doing, or is it because it's a coho

836
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: and you'll never get it? To be right, I felt

837
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: we felt like I've gotten a pretty good slice on it.

838
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: It looked good, the presentation was nice. Just wasn't the same.

839
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: That was a little different. But I'll point out I'll

840
00:54:55,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: point this out to as a prelude to this guy's comment, Um,

841
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: salmon have a high parasite load. And this is no

842
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: joke Like I used to. Usually stuff like this, people

843
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: start talking about food safety and all this. I usually

844
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: brush a lot of that off and I pay the

845
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: price for it. But I usually brushed all that stuff off.

846
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: But it's no joke. Salmon. If you're eating raw salmon,

847
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: you need to freeze that salmon and thought out they

848
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: need it row. It's come from a guy who's eating

849
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: pounds of it. Not done that way. But I've had

850
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: a lot of people who are not hysterical and who

851
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: are not sky is falling kind of folk who have said, bro,

852
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: you gotta freeze it. You'll get sick. It's real. Oh yeah,

853
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: I think I've been on the flip side of that coin. Anyways,

854
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,479
Speaker 1: this brother is saying this, and this is a great tip.

855
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: I just I called my damn brother to tell him this.

856
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: This guy's name is Kaido, it's a nickname. He's a

857
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: chef and hunter from Michigan. He says, here's where you

858
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: boys are screwing up. You need to take a sam

859
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: This is for making sushi and sashimi out of salmon.

860
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: You need to take that thing and cover it in

861
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: kosher salt for eight minutes, absolutely no longer than ten minutes.

862
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: Packet in salt in order to pull the extra water out,

863
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: then freeze it, then slice it. What he's saying is this,

864
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: When you freeze that thing, the water expands, the cell

865
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: walls burst, because of water comes out. That's why when

866
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: you vacuum seal a piece of salmon, right, you vaccal

867
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: there's no water in there, whatever whatever, hell, but whatever

868
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: your vaccal, there's no water in there. Putting your freezer thought,

869
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: there's a few tables of water and you're like, where

870
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: did that come from? It's being liberated from the fish

871
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: through the freezing process, and it leads to a mushy

872
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: quality product. He's saying, you gotta suck a bunch of

873
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: that water up out of there by packing it and salt,

874
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: pull some of the extra water out, and that is

875
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: what gives you that firm buttery what he describes as

876
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: the amazing buttery texture. Mm hmm. I can taste this. Yeah.

877
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: I think One question about it though, is that after

878
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: you take it out of the salt, Yes, do you

879
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: just absolutely rinse it? Rinse it right? Yes, because you're

880
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: never gonna I mean, how you gonna brush it off?

881
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: And let's say if he says it skin flay. Also,

882
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: you think I'm getting I would. My guests would be Kaido.

883
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Can he has to rewrite in now? Yeah? Mom, guessing

884
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: that he's he's got to be skinless. I don't know.

885
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can see both ways kind of

886
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: right back in. Dude, Well up, no, not skinning it.

887
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: And but I'm gonna listen. I think he's onto something.

888
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: I know exactly what that something Gunn is talking about. Okay,

889
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: what was the two things you were going to bring up? Oh,

890
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: this is just having your ear to the railroad tracks. Yeah, exactly.

891
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Dry aging or just aging meat? Is it necessary? Does

892
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: it actually make a difference, um my experience? If I

893
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: think it's always better to let things relax for as

894
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: long as you can stand it, at least twenty four hours,

895
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butt in at least twenty four hours because

896
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: that's how long read it takes for the brigamoret. It's

897
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: too enter and then leave. Yeah, however, I've done it

898
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: immediately to several hours after, just based on what's happening

899
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: in life. And it's not like that's meat that is

900
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: not good as far as the aging goes. You mean,

901
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: like aging of a couple of hours doesn't matter. Like,

902
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: it's not like that's meat that I then think is

903
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: not any good. Oh no, it um it uh. It's

904
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: not like don't even go through the trouble if you

905
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 1: can't hang the thing in your garage for twenty days.

906
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm tracking no, ye, sorry about still probably real good

907
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: depends on the animal, yes, but in general, think of

908
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: it in extremes. I think of extremes if you shoot

909
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: something and butcher and you're eating an hour later. It

910
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: has a metallic taste and it is very tough because

911
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: it's still in rigor. Yeah, and for me almost it

912
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: almost gives me not really like a belly ache, but

913
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: sort of like a gurgly just kind of an off stomach.

914
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: Whatever it is that it's going on in there, it

915
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: seems like and again it could be just uh, random occurrences,

916
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: but unless you had two of you, yeah you would,

917
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: you'll never know. Never know. When I eat meat it's

918
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: too fresh, I just get I don't get sick. I'm

919
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: just like, man, something just wasn't quite right. I'll definitely

920
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: eat it. But it's not a let's they say it's

921
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: not as good, and then do you need to have

922
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: a climate controlled situation. I've never personally had that, um so,

923
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: but I'm always afraid to answer people's questions on an

924
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: age all kinds of Let me let me tell you.

925
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: My brother ages me so so he he lives in Alaska. Um.

926
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: He's Ali was hunting in September and has been up

927
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: in Alaska in September. Um, you have cold nights, very

928
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: warm days. Everything's all wet. There's flies everywhere, meat bees

929
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: around everything. It is not conducive to like yard hanging.

930
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: It's not conducive to garage hanging. All you do in

931
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: Alaska is beat flies off stuff. Right just you're not

932
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna hang it. Just it doesn't work out. September hunting

933
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: in Alaska. Agent meat like in your garage is gonna

934
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: happen unless you built the cooler and you can ring

935
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: up some little dorm fridge. But you're not gonna hang

936
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: a moose in there. So he when timing out his

937
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: wild meat calendar, he doesn't think like, oh, I gotta

938
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: have last year's moose and caribou all eating up by

939
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: September first, because then I'll have my new moose and

940
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: my new cab when I'll start eating them. He times

941
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: that where he wants to have last year's all eating

942
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: up at some point in the winter because his moose

943
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: has been freezer aging, which I believe, and some people

944
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: freezer aging. What do you mean, well, stuff deteriorates in

945
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: a freezer. It just takes a long time to do it.

946
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: You will never all out, but two years you will

947
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: never pull out. Let's it's two thousand seventeen and you

948
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: find a piece of meat from two thousand fifteen in

949
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: your freezer. You will never find a tough piece of

950
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: meat that's two years old in your freezer. Well, I

951
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: think the same thing is having to meat that the

952
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: guy just explained is happening to that fish. Yeah, it's

953
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: breaking down, yeah, you know, because the water molecules are

954
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: there and freezing. It is breaking down the like the

955
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, on like the molecular structure, you know, And

956
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: the longer it's in there, the more it happens, and

957
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: things just slowly break down. M hm. And then uh,

958
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: that's the problem when you find mab coming out of

959
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: the permit frost. Well, unless you have one of those freezers,

960
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: that's uh. Like, what's that crazy ice cream? I think

961
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: it's called dipping dots. It's got I've got an uncle

962
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: who sells it at a or it's my wife's uncle.

963
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: He sells dipping dots at an amusement park that he owns.

964
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: And they when they started, when they became a purveyor

965
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: of dipping dots. They to have a special freezer that

966
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: doesn't just stop at zero. It's like negative thirty or

967
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: negative forty, because there's such high fat content in the

968
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: dipping dots that if you just free hold it at

969
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: zero or thirty two, it's it's gonna go bad real fast. Right,

970
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: So he's got a special freezer that goes down to

971
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: negative thirty or negative forty, right, just for these ice

972
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: cream Well, he's like, yeah, side bonus of that is

973
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: I was able to throw a few elk steaks in there,

974
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: and five years later, still go my deep freeze. I'm

975
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking at the thing right now. My

976
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: deep freeze runs at negative fifteen, which is quite a

977
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: bit colder than my kitchen. Do you have it maxed out?

978
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start doing that. I was trying to find

979
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: like the efficiency level, but I'm gonna quit. I got

980
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: a lot of fish in their man, and I'll just

981
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: to keep my fish cold. I do some other age

982
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. When is too old to cold? No, too

983
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: old in your freezer. I personally looked at something and

984
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: been like, Nope, I'm gonna throw it away, just physically

985
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: cannot do no. My sister him doesn't allow for things

986
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: to get anywhere near the point at which I would

987
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: call him into question. But I could say that my

988
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: brother Matt once found some seven year old elk meat

989
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: in a freezer and enjoyed it. Not his elk, mind you,

990
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: he found it in a freezer. I've never had a

991
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: problem to it with. And the oldest stuff I've always

992
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: eaten has been elk, just because when I was living

993
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: in Colorado, it's like everybody had elk in their freezer,

994
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: and oftentimes would be at someone's house and they'd go, oh,

995
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: look at that, you know, and you'd end up with

996
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: some three or four year old elk. Never had a

997
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: problem with that, but I do think that fish, oh

998
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: you can get there, dude. Like Oh, for instance, last

999
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: night we ate the last package of blue cat from

1000
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: UH from Kentucky and that was half ago. Yeah it

1001
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: was still good, it was edible. We enjoyed it, but yeah,

1002
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite the same. I my like I was saying,

1003
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: how I keep fishing my big deep freeze. I high

1004
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: prioritized fish. So my the peak fish for me, peak

1005
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: fishing the freezer for me is August Lay July August,

1006
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: when I'm at my cabin lot fishing lot in lot

1007
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: sam in the hell. But whatnot dude around now, I'm

1008
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: very much like looking to be having that stuff getting

1009
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: wrapped up. In fact, I'll be. I think I pulled

1010
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: out my last salmon and just smoked it. I saved

1011
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: one piece, I think, because I do, not because freezers

1012
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: don't stop activity. Yes, I've had big chunks of bear fat.

1013
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 1: I froze big chunks of bear fat, fixing to render

1014
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: it later, and had bear fat actually go rancid in

1015
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: a freezer. Yeah, the fat. Question Number two on this

1016
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: is call fat. Now that's something. Sorry, you guys have

1017
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: hit Do we just blow a fuse? Um? No, I

1018
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: think that your freezer just just turned off, but not

1019
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: like off off. It just turned off, as in you

1020
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: gave me a look. I thought we blew the fuse.

1021
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, about to pick that back up? Go ahead,

1022
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: cow call fat? Can I can I touch on something

1023
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: more about aging? Oh? Yeah, for sure, I also age.

1024
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: Here's again, I can't tell you like the scientific proof

1025
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: any of this stuff, but this is based on a

1026
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: shipload of anecdotal evidence and experience and observations of trusted

1027
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: close friends. I will also pull a piece of meat

1028
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: out of my freezer. Let's say on a Sunday, I

1029
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: might though a block of meat out. Oh then rinse it, thought,

1030
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: rinse it, padded dry paper towels, put a big roast

1031
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: on a rack, set over a dish, and put that

1032
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: in my fridge. No one that I'm gonna cook it

1033
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: in five or six days. So here it's already been butchered, frozen, thought,

1034
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: And now I'm doing a fridge age on it. Mm hmm,

1035
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: which I feel like it's helpful. I think you can

1036
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: because you asked, can you age too long? Right? Yeah,

1037
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: we're hanging out with a chef and we actually tried

1038
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: some of his meat and after we carved through many

1039
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: layers of really inedible stuff, is that what it was?

1040
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: And um and this and this was in a you know,

1041
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: uh um, climate band humidity controlled but um, and it

1042
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: wasn't that the meat was bad. It was taste tasty.

1043
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: It was way different. You know, it's just not like

1044
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: you're eating a deer steak anymore. But there was so

1045
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: much loss due to drying that you're kind of like,

1046
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: all right, well, now I have like of this meat left.

1047
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: He found the too long. Yeah, he found it too long.

1048
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: But at the point is, you can go a long

1049
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: time without going too long. But when you're cutting the

1050
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: hoping it was an odd d shoulder, When you're cutting

1051
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: open the clod on an audad shoulder in order to

1052
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: get a piece of meat the size of a a stick.

1053
01:07:54,600 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: As a jolly rancher, it's like you've lost a lot, Yeah,

1054
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: from from and then so mule deer. I just I butchered,

1055
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: uh the mule dear that I got the in October.

1056
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: And then I butchered two front shoulders, just the quarters.

1057
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: Um uh that Scott Robinson got about ten days earlier.

1058
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: And this was just on Saturday. And the difference in

1059
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: the front shoulders, um just that ten days difference between

1060
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: so mine mine hung twenty five days, his hung thirty

1061
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: five days. Um. The shanks on his, I was, you know,

1062
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 1: kills me to leave any meat in there. But there

1063
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: they had reduced so substantially at for most folks probably

1064
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't be worth digging out that slivery good meat. So

1065
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: I've seen tenderloin's uh just vanished, Oh yeah, from hanging

1066
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: too long. My old man who tells me that when

1067
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: he was young, younger, they would hang dear until it

1068
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: had inches of mold on it. I don't know if

1069
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: he was exaggerating inches instead of be covered in mold.

1070
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: And you'd cut that away and eat the meat off

1071
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 1: from underneath it. And do you think those were whole

1072
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: deer they had? Now we one time hung we one

1073
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: time hung a calf elk and never froze it, just

1074
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: ate it and that thing after hanging it was like

1075
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: the perfect winter in the garage. And after a while

1076
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: you could jab your finger into the meat. I mean

1077
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: like you could literally burrow your finger into the meat.

1078
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: They got that tender. Just perfect conditions blow a little

1079
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: bit below freezing at night, not much above freezing here

1080
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: in the daytime. We was ate the whole sun bitch

1081
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: hanging there. Yeah, because you know the feeling on knees. Um.

1082
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: You know some majority blow free using nights um. You

1083
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: know basically what you're describing. But you know that those

1084
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: hind quarters were still. They weren't like frozen hard to

1085
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 1: the touch, but you wouldn't call him soft. Yeah. I

1086
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: killed a bowl in Kentucky, bullock in Kentucky. And because

1087
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: we were leaving from there to go to somewhere else

1088
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: to hunt. I had to have a processed, and the

1089
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: processor says, oh, I hang him for ten days. And

1090
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: he hung that out for ten days, and those suns

1091
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: bitches were still tough. Mhm. It was only later I

1092
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: threw him the freezer and forgot about him for a

1093
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: few months and started snacking on him. They were good. Yeah,

1094
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: all right, if you want to bring up a call fat, yeah,

1095
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: call fat. Uh. I know the you know, the show

1096
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: obviously has covered it. And because you guys have used

1097
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: it in some cooking specials and done it some cooking,

1098
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: done it in a lot of social media pictures. Yeah.

1099
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: I got interested in it because when I was working

1100
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: on my book, where I was talking a lot about

1101
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: a Scopier, the great you know, famous master chef, French

1102
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: master Chef August Scopier. Who who comes up? Who's brought

1103
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: They bring him up in the movie Apocalypse. Now you

1104
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: know when when uh, Captain Willard in Chef get off

1105
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: the boat to find a mango, find a mango and

1106
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: get attacked by a tiger, and Chef is like, never

1107
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: get off the boat, never get off the boat. He

1108
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: is explaining to Captain Willard that he studied sauces. He

1109
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: was a saucy a and culinary arts school in New

1110
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: Orleans and mentions the scopier it's a beautiful movie, best

1111
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: movie ever made, the best movie ever made. So anyhow

1112
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: call fats so oh no, no quick. I got interested

1113
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: in because the scofier cooks with it, duh, like sausages

1114
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that wraps me like the same way

1115
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: you use the turkey bag now or whatever. Just wrap

1116
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: steaks and rolls and other stuff in the call fat

1117
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: to prevent moisture loss and add fat. So I'm doing

1118
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: uh this this coming weekend. I'm I'm I think I'm

1119
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,719
Speaker 1: gonna smoke, I think, or just try to slow roast.

1120
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: I brought out that the onlier I got this year.

1121
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: I brought up the neck hole, which we lead into

1122
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: a CWD conversation. But I'm sure these folks will be fine. Uh,

1123
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna wrap that in the call fat is

1124
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: the plant and I got it is this is like

1125
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: super This thing is not started to rut. It's like

1126
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: super thick call fat um. But the main questions are,

1127
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: how do you get the call fat out um in

1128
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 1: one piece? Uh? Is it worth cleaning? Is it worth

1129
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: dealing with. I don't like the taste of deer fat.

1130
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: I personally like the taste of deer fat. I just

1131
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: think it's to be next to nuclear hot in order

1132
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: because as soon as it cools down, it is like

1133
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: paraffin wax. Yeah, it's like that Simpsons were Homer drinks

1134
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: candle wax in order to better compete in the hot

1135
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: Pepper eating cut is exactly. You cannot get that off

1136
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: your tongue, your teeth. Yeah, but when it's hot, I'll

1137
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: eat it so um. Yeah, call fat, get it out?

1138
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: How to get it out? How to get it out?

1139
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell him? I think you should. You're you're

1140
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: the expert. Uh well, Yanni. I heard Yanni explaining to

1141
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: someone there day, and Yanni's explaining, only even begin to

1142
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: think about it. When you're shot is forward of the diaphragm.

1143
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: It's gotta be where everything's clean. It's like you open up,

1144
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: you're shot, enters and exits forward of the diaphragm. Doesn't

1145
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: matter where, but somewhere forward of the diaphragm, because you

1146
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: don't want any Everbody's gonna be all nicey nice in there.

1147
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: And when he brings up a point too, so you're

1148
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna obviously got it to get the call fat when

1149
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: you go to gut it and don't, like, don't get

1150
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: all the way through your gutting to the point where

1151
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: you're cutting the track and yanking the guts out. At

1152
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: that point, you're too late. You're gonna get blood all

1153
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: over the call fat. You're gonna roll it out into

1154
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: the dirt and the grass. You need to just open

1155
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 1: the lower half like from the you know, diaphragm down

1156
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 1: you're treating this as an autopsy. Open that up and

1157
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: then say, okay, now I'm gonna take the time to

1158
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 1: get my call fat. Yeah. You can't butcher like they

1159
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: do in the Mel Gives the movie Apocalypto, or like

1160
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 1: how they butcher in the movie Red Dawn. In movies

1161
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: and movies, when someone goes to butcher gut something, people

1162
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 1: that would definitely know better, like in the case of

1163
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: Apocalypto was the Mayan hunters um or in the case

1164
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: of Red Dawn, there was lifelong hunters who were trained

1165
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: up in the ways of Jet Smith. But when people

1166
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: want someone to butcher something in the movie, they like

1167
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: to use a big knife and have people jab stuff

1168
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: because it's dramatic. They don't show what how you'd actually

1169
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: do it, which is surgical surgical, Like I said, you're

1170
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: performing a nice clean autopsy. Yeah, when I first started

1171
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: dealing with TV folks, they'd be disappointed when they saw

1172
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: how you want a knife you'd actually use. You'd be

1173
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: like they'd be like, oh, but could you do with

1174
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: a machete. They're just like, yeah, like really you do it.

1175
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: That's a little teeny thing. Oh slow and easy, you know,

1176
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,839
Speaker 1: just stab it. So, um, yeah, you shoot it. Everything's

1177
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: for the diaphragms, there's no mass. It's laying on its back.

1178
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,879
Speaker 1: This doesn't work with the gutless method. Um, you unzip

1179
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: it very carefully. First, just cut through the hide all

1180
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: the way up and then lift the abdominal lining or

1181
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: the abdominal muscles. Cut those open all the way up.

1182
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: But before you cut the diaphragm back, you should open

1183
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: it up and just everything is wrapped up in lace

1184
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: fat or call fat. It's just this spider web cobweb

1185
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: looking membrane of fat that is a literally a sack

1186
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: around Yeah, the sack around the guts and on a

1187
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: good animal and good condition, it's like, holy sh it.

1188
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: There's a lot of fat in there on a bad

1189
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 1: animal and not a bad animal and animal and poor

1190
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: physical condition, who's exhausted as fat reserves. It's just it's

1191
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: like non existent. It's like really a thing. It's like

1192
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: a way they store fat. Agreed. But it's fun to

1193
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: mess with. So because we're always talking about it, it's

1194
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: like part of why I like it is it's cool looking,

1195
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's cool looking, it's interesting. It's a throwback

1196
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: to a bygone arrow. When people use it more often,

1197
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: it's a good history lesson, it's good anatomy lesson. Um.

1198
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: But anyways, I'm always talking about it. I'm always like

1199
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of celebrating it, and it has like really appealing

1200
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: visual qualities and people are like, dude, I need to

1201
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: get some call fat. But I'll point out it's like

1202
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: it's a fun, interesting, educational thing to mess with. But

1203
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: it's it's tallowe yes, So is it worth it? It's

1204
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: fun to mess around with. Yes, I am looking at

1205
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: this call fat as it's gonna be super pretty beautiful

1206
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: and it's providing a bunch of lubricant to meat that

1207
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: doesn't have it for a little membrane. Yeah, And it's

1208
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a relatively long cook on a

1209
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:39,919
Speaker 1: big chunk of meat. So as any thoughts, um, Yeah,

1210
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: because you got pinned down on this, you were saying

1211
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: at Thanksgiving this year, I got pinned down a bottom

1212
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 1: the airport there to day, but a stranger. Yeah, And

1213
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: to that, I want to say that, Look, man, I

1214
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: think we're still maybe we've done it more than the

1215
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: average joe, but we're still kind of beginners with the

1216
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 1: whole call fat thing too. And I think we're learning

1217
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: because like that you did when we were on a

1218
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: falling neck, right, we chopped up a bunch of guts. Yeah,

1219
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: we had some tender loin in there too, and yeah,

1220
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: heart kidney, and then we wrapped and call fat and

1221
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: roasted over the open fire. But we use, like, you know,

1222
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: four square feet of call fat to wrap up two

1223
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: pounds of meat. It was too much call fat, right,

1224
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: if you had to do it again, would you do

1225
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: it with less? But I did because it just makes

1226
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: it strong or strong or stronger. Yeah. But so so

1227
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: my point is that we're like learning, and I think

1228
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn like different things to do with it

1229
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: and proper amounts and sort of like the way to

1230
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: cook with it, and you know high heat, low heat,

1231
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: dada da da da, and you know maybe you roast

1232
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: in your neck over three hours in it. We're gonna

1233
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure we'll learn something from this side. No,

1234
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: how did you guys do on the kidneys? I have

1235
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: not I have not nailed that. I think that they're

1236
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: good when they're better on younger animals by far. Like

1237
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: I've got to the point where like an old deer,

1238
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: do you noticed deers like old I don't mess the

1239
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: liver because the liver is so strong. I like it

1240
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: on young animals. And if you look at like any

1241
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: cookbook that's talking about like cooking with kidneys, they're insistent

1242
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: on young animals. People eat like lamb kidney. We shot

1243
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: a lamb in New Zealand. Have feral sheep in New Zealand.

1244
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,839
Speaker 1: We shot a lamb New Zealand. Holy ship. Long as kidneys,

1245
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: everything is so good liver, but they just get stronger.

1246
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: I think the older deer have a stronger liver. You

1247
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: don't know, It's funny because it's just like rediscovered what

1248
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: we already knew when we were kids, Like pull the

1249
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: livers out of dere But Jared's like fawn liver. When

1250
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: you shot a six months old deer in the fall,

1251
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: it was like that liver was the money the shoot

1252
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: older deer. My mom would soak the liver and lemon

1253
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: juice to try to pull some of the funcation out

1254
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: of it to recover cover the call fat fats covered. Oh,

1255
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: I want to add another scofier thing. And I did

1256
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 1: this when I was working on my book about a scopier.

1257
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 1: I did it with a wild pig bladder scope would

1258
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: take bladders and rinse it out and then soak it

1259
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a vinegar solution. Then you

1260
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: take a little game bird it's a squab, like a

1261
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: flightless street pigeon or game birds or any kind of thing,

1262
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: and take all kinds of good stuff to eat, like

1263
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: chop up onion, garlic, mushroom, other stuff like make like

1264
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 1: a mere poi carrot and put a game bird inside

1265
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: the bladder and pack all that that that mere poi like,

1266
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: pack that around it, all that sauteed carrot, mushroom, onion, garlic,

1267
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and just pack it all the way

1268
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: around there and tie the bladder shut and then just

1269
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: put that bladder with the bird living inside of it,

1270
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: poach it and broth, and the bladder turns like a

1271
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: rainbow color, and you just keep you're poaching the bird

1272
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 1: at a low temperature inside the bladder, and eventually, when

1273
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: it's time to eat, you snip open the bladder and

1274
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: take out the bird and all that stuff that you

1275
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: were cooking inside that bladder. So it's just like a

1276
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: way that you were He was like, because they weren't,

1277
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, in his time, you weren't dealing with like

1278
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: synthetic liners and stuff. You're just used looking for like

1279
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: in that case, you're looking for a non per non

1280
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: permeable membrane and the original Suvi Yeah, exactly exactly. In

1281
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: the in the absence of Suvie bags, he was using bladders,

1282
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 1: and I cook birds that way. It's fun. They're beautiful.

1283
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: Oh dude, yeah, look about it. Oh yeah, here's the

1284
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:49,440
Speaker 1: guy Yanni was talking about um carrying combat gauze. Yeah,

1285
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: which is something used for like catastrophic injuries. Combat gauze

1286
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: when you just dealing with a like a accidental gunshot injury,

1287
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: severe puncture, get yourself wildly with an axe. Yeah, we

1288
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: were talking about how you put it over the wound,

1289
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: and an E M T who's dealt with a number

1290
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 1: of gunshot wounds in his day. Fellow named Nate rolled

1291
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: into be like no, no, no, no, no, no no,

1292
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: you got it all wrong, and he sends us a

1293
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: video about how to apply combat GUSS. You pack pack

1294
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: the wound channel full of combat gus. The video, which

1295
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: is on a rubber fake arm, is disturbing. Yeah, he's

1296
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: packing the rubber fake arm and it makes you feel naxious.

1297
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 1: He produced his own video. It's like he's like putting

1298
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 1: it over. It doesn't do ship. You pack jamming in there,

1299
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: jamming in there. So you tell your buddy bite this stick.

1300
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: Make people watch that video before they go on the woods.

1301
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: Bite you on this stick while I pack your wound

1302
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: full of gauze. That's why that hatchet is going to

1303
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: take another stick and jam your wound full of gauze

1304
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: with a stick. No, my finger, with your fingers that

1305
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: have late tass gloss, probably the right. I would use

1306
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: a stick. I would get a sharp stick and jam

1307
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: it full of gauze. So there's that ready for this one?

1308
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: Bring it positive or negative? Neither? All right? Vexing started

1309
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: hunting four years ago. It's a fellow name is Zack.

1310
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: I've only had the chance to hunt two of those

1311
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: dear seasons. Now I understand all the legal stuff behind

1312
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: harvest and a dough. However, the ethics behind taking the

1313
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: dough that is around six months old has me in doubt.

1314
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:56,799
Speaker 1: I had a chance to take a younger dommet, passing

1315
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: her before I felt like she was too young. And

1316
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 1: overthinking this, how do you view the ethics of hard

1317
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: and harvesting legal but clearly young animals. You're overthinking it,

1318
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: but you can really think on it because it's a recruitment, right.

1319
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: If you look at it, the young ones are the

1320
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: youngs that are are the animals that are likely the

1321
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: most likely to not make it through the winter. So

1322
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: quite possibly you could be taking an animal that will

1323
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: very well die. Yeah, So if you look at it

1324
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 1: from that perspective, that's like a freedough. It's better than

1325
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: removing a proven breeder. Correct. Definitely, your big does are

1326
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: the ones that we are most likely going to make

1327
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: it through the winter. It's a anthro pomorphousicism problem, yes,

1328
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,560
Speaker 1: it is. It's anthropomorphism at at its best. If you

1329
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: look at it from a food perspective. You don't get

1330
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, you know, there's not as much meat.

1331
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: And that's why I like to shoot big bucks. You

1332
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 1: know what they say, big racks, big meat. But yes, yeah, no,

1333
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 1: I got a couple of problems with shooting the young one.

1334
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: It's done have anything to do with her not having

1335
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like or him having uh, you know, enjoyed a full life.

1336
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 1: It's uh one, Yeah, you get like a white tail

1337
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: dove fun. I mean you're looking at it, maybe you well, yeah,

1338
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: thirty pounds a yield. Maybe it depends on it's how

1339
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: late in the it's a big in the you know, September, noah,

1340
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 1: but it's could be half of if you shot a

1341
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, a year old. Oh yeah, man, and then

1342
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: to the uh, you know what those young animals are

1343
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: just so mild people. Some people like that though. Yeah,

1344
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,959
Speaker 1: they don't like your flavor. Yeah, if you like skinless

1345
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: chicken breast, then you know six months those white taild

1346
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: does or for you Germans Man, we learned this. They

1347
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: want to buy when they buy red deer out of

1348
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: Scotland went on, they want to buy ruddy stags. They

1349
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: like him high. That's what they call it. Remember the

1350
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: boars out of Texas. So he's saying, too, they get exported. Yeah,

1351
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: the stuff Americans don't want to touch. Yeah, so Mary's

1352
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: in Europe as like, yeah, send us all the ruddy

1353
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: old boars, we like them, high flavorful old mual to

1354
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: your back is I mean, I gave away of the

1355
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: elkay shot this year, and I'm not giving away any

1356
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 1: of the mule to your back high shot this year's

1357
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: too good. Uh. From the deer's perspective, it doesn't matter,

1358
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: Like a five year old buck is gonna be like,

1359
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: just shoot me. I don't care anymore. It's like from

1360
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: the deer's perspect of you're you're killing him. He's dead,

1361
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: all right. They want to live. There's no there's like

1362
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: they're not trying to A young one's not like, oh,

1363
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: on the prime of my life or just getting started life. Like,

1364
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter where I think it comes from.

1365
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Where the where the prejudice against your Where the idea

1366
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't shoot fawns or does comes from? Because

1367
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: you have to start to step back and look at

1368
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: the history of wildlife, or in this case, the history

1369
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: of deer management in this country, where in the early

1370
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 1: late eighteen hunters early nine hunters, we had like wiped

1371
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: out white tailed deer in a lot of areas and

1372
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: it was a long road to recover the species and

1373
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: bring it back to hontable numbers. We were able to

1374
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 1: keep hunting deer during the recovery because we just harvested box.

1375
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 1: So I want to grew up where you like your

1376
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 1: tag was good for like a buck, it was because

1377
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: you were trying to You were harvesting deer, shooting deer

1378
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: to eat, and shooting near for whatever um while still

1379
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: growing the population. Because when you shoot a box, you

1380
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: just you're removing one animal from the cool and as

1381
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: long as you have enough box left to make sure

1382
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: all the does get bred, you're fine. The key was

1383
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: saving your breeding age does, because if you shoot a buck,

1384
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: you're removing a deer from the population. When you kill

1385
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: a dough, you're killing her in every fond she will

1386
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 1: ever have. So once we got to recovery with deer

1387
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: and we got to where we've had, by some estimations,

1388
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 1: too many deer, and we started to say, man, now

1389
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: we got the opposite problem. Now we've got too many

1390
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: deer and they're causing a lot of conflicts with agricultural

1391
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: producers and car insures and people who have landscaping, and

1392
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, we now have an obligation to lower to

1393
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,879
Speaker 1: lesson deer numbers and also to control spread of disease

1394
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: and all kinds of other issues why you might want

1395
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,839
Speaker 1: to cut your dear population back. We started to say, hey, guys,

1396
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: the whole not shooting dough thing, well, never mind. Now

1397
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: we're killing doughts. We're trying to lower deer numbers. And

1398
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: then there's been a lot of resistance to that. It

1399
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: still hangs out in some areas, it does. It. It's

1400
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: different growing up in I mean you talk about it

1401
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: a lot, right, Like all of a sudden you went

1402
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: from Michigan to Montana and it was like, I can

1403
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: kill how many deer? I mean, Um, when I first

1404
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 1: started rifle antelope hunting, I I mean I shoot five

1405
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: a year. I think we used to go out, well,

1406
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: me and my brother would had all analop hunt. We'd

1407
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: have six tags in our pocket, two buck tags, four

1408
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: door tags, three tags per right, and then that big

1409
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: winter kill happened and those days are over. Um, And

1410
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: then yes, you know, Sam, you could pick up you

1411
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: could the law really is you can shoot a total

1412
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: of seven deer in Montana, so one buck. There are

1413
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 1: some additional buck tags now but uh and then uh

1414
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 1: six dollars. Well in the Southeast as last states, you

1415
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: can kill a deer day too, dear day limited deer. Yeah,

1416
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: carry the same tag around for the whole season. Doug

1417
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, Doug Dring. He still has he still has

1418
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: people in his community here, like they just will not

1419
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: shoot a doll. They'll shoot every buck they ever lay

1420
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 1: their eyes on. Yeah, but they won't shoot a doll

1421
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: just because of growing up. But like Doug when he

1422
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 1: was growing up, when he was a little kid, if

1423
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: you saw a deer track, you went home and told

1424
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: your mom dad about it. It's amazing. Now they've got

1425
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: fifty year per square mile on good habitat. So yeah,

1426
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: I think this is uh yeah, it's more of a

1427
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: it's your personal ethics uh out there and it's just

1428
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: you so do you feel good about but the you know,

1429
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: those those tags exist for a reason. It's part of

1430
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 1: the management plan. Yeah, if you have faith in your

1431
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: state phishing Game agency and state fishing game agencies are

1432
01:30:54,080 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: not infallible. But I um am taking all things and

1433
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: considered and looking at all the alternative options. Um right now,

1434
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: I can say that like a good if you want

1435
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: to be an ethical hunter, a good starting place is

1436
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: to follow the rules as set forth by your state

1437
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: phish and Game agency and if they're teams of biologists

1438
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: have made a determination that you're not gonna be hurting

1439
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: anything by shooting a dough, and you might be helping

1440
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: something by shooting a dough. I wouldn't. And you want

1441
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: to shoot a doll, and that's in line with your

1442
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: personal plan, I wouldn't let any kind of other noise

1443
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: come in and influence your decision. I think we diverged

1444
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,719
Speaker 1: a little bit because really the question really was about

1445
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: the age of that dough. Oh yeo, yeah, what I

1446
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 1: said that? I said, No, we touched on that and

1447
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: a lot, a whole lot more. Yeah, I said, they

1448
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: don't get like more wanting to get shot as they

1449
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: get older. You know, like doll is never gonna be

1450
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: like oh bro, last year I would have run away,

1451
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: but now you know I'm too. But to wrap it up,

1452
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: there are no ethics about shooting. There's no there's no

1453
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like ethical issue about shooting young deer or young squirrels. Yeah,

1454
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: do you ever met anybody says I'm not gonna shoot

1455
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: a young squirrel. That's just something that never happens. And

1456
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: in pheasants, it's like people get cited about shooting older pheasant,

1457
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: but the younger ones are good. The older ones holy smokes.

1458
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,200
Speaker 1: But I definitely yeah, you gotta cook them. But it's

1459
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: still cool when you shoot a real old one. As

1460
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 1: far as table fair, the youngsters, birds of the year,

1461
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: bird of the year born that spring, all right, I

1462
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: still got a giant stack of mail here in my hand.

1463
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: But uh, we should do another loose Ends sometime. That

1464
01:32:56,439 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 1: was fun, dude. We got limitless loose ends, a lot

1465
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: of questions, good stuff. I love the audience, man, We

1466
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: had the best audience in the world. Yeah. When we

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Speaker 1: did a post on the first Light facebook page last

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Speaker 1: year that I really had been meaning to write it

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Speaker 1: like a follow up thank you on and it was

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Speaker 1: kind of on one of the things that we tackled tonight,

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Speaker 1: Like I had gotten home at ten thirty at night

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Speaker 1: and took all the food and trays out of my

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Speaker 1: refrigerator and stuffed at full of boned out elk because

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Speaker 1: there was just nothing else I could do with it

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Speaker 1: at that point in the evening, and so I was

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Speaker 1: just cooling it down as fast as I could, you know,

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Speaker 1: eighty or ninety degrees on a basically in August all

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Speaker 1: count right, and took a picture of it, and we

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Speaker 1: put it up on our social media, and um, there

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Speaker 1: were some folks out there that we're living. It was

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Speaker 1: like our most highly controversial post. And I absolutely love

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Speaker 1: that because people were just like, that's not how you

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Speaker 1: treat me. Other folks like, yeah, I've been there, Like

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Speaker 1: you gotta cool it down somehow on great. Yeah. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: the the audience, from my distant position of not knowing

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Speaker 1: the situation, I will tell you that that's not how

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Speaker 1: you treat me. Yeah, No, it is not ideal. It

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Speaker 1: is not ideal. We gotta improvise, especially when you're doing yourself,

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Speaker 1: you dude, we've had it so bad. We had like

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Speaker 1: throw meat in the creek. Yeah, and you just cringe

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Speaker 1: right flies, and then you're thinking about like sediment working

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Speaker 1: its way and in the meat and just it's like

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Speaker 1: in the eighties were like hunting doll sheep. It's like

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Speaker 1: in the eighties during the day, you can't see because

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Speaker 1: all the smoke from fires, burning flies on everything. We're

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Speaker 1: just in the middle of the day. It's starting to

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Speaker 1: stun to come up, we just go down and sinking

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Speaker 1: the creek, or go up to a snow field, burying

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Speaker 1: in the snow. Spent most of our time just trying

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Speaker 1: to manage meat. Not ideal. So I'd be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can't throw meat in the creek, but the picture

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Speaker 1: would have been way worse. It was just it covered

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Speaker 1: in fly eggs. Yeah. I love the fans and the

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Speaker 1: listeners to especially Tom had been the guy that wrote

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Speaker 1: the real hero email thanks to I'd love you all

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Speaker 1: more if you take the time to subscribe and give

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Speaker 1: us a rating. There's only one rating you can give.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna rate the Meat Eater podcast. That would be

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Speaker 1: five stars, the right most star. Yeah, um yeah, and subscribing.

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Speaker 1: Subscribing to man. Subscribing is very helpful. Also, also go

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Speaker 1: follow um I'm on Instagram at Steve Ronella, follow me

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Speaker 1: or TV on Instagram. That's good stuff. That's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of things you can do. And keep writing in letters. Um,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan, thank you very much, thank you. That's your

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Speaker 1: grains of wisdom and y'all need the real hero I think,

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Speaker 1: instead of the labby Eagle. I just started calling him

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Speaker 1: the real hero. Oh, it's not gonna hit over ourselves.