1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh, several of you are making 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: an appearance on the show today. That's right. This is 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: our weekly listener male segment where we hear directly from 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: you and uh. So far, the only complaints that we 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: have amongst ourselves about the show is that this segment 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: UH can't get to everything that we hear from our 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: fellow listeners every week, which is what Corporate America would 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: call a good problem to have, don't you think, Guys? 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: For sure? I just love corporate America and all they're 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: useful buzz phrases. What is a wheelhouse? You know? I've 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: been keeping for God, I've been doing this for more 20 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: than a decade now, I think, and uh, I've been 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: keeping a reference guide to corporate buzz terms, and some 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: of them are so bizarre, like phrases like eat our 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: own dog food. I don't know that one one that 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: always makes me cringes. Let's take a peek under the kimono. Yeah, 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: that's I used to I actually use that line in 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: a Oh gosh, well, our bosses don't listen to this show, 27 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: so I'm fine to say this. I I used to, uh, 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: sit during meetings, Matt, you know this and take random 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: lines of statements from people at the meetings and compose 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: them into poems the way that you seem like maybe uh, 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: some artists did that with George Bush and stuff, and 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: the kimono line stuck out to me. We made a 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: whole YouTube series Trapped in a meeting. Remember there was 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: basically that Ben. It was basically poetry of corporate speak. Connall, 35 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: by the way, is a great improviser. He absolutely is. 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't it always the same footage and every single 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: one of those videos of him, like doing the presentation, 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: and it was no. We shot an entire I think 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: it was hour and a half hour long meeting or 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: something that then we just spliced up into all the 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: episodes by a wheelhouse is a part of a boat. 42 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: That's like the shelter. Don't tell the person I like that. 43 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: You've got to have something to wake up for in 44 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: the morning. Uh, Like, what's life without a little bit 45 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: of mystery. It's a house shaped like a wheel. It's 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: not I'm just adding to the mystery. I'm adding new, new, 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: new input to the messy. Man. Uh, it's good that 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: we're starting out with some levity today because the listener 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: mail and correspondence that we're exploring touches on some heavy, 50 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: heavy things. Uh. To be honest with you, we've got 51 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: we've got some scientific mysteries. We've got some ongoing horrible things, 52 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: both in the US and across the world. Uh where 53 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: should we begin? Um? No, If if you feel good 54 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: about you wanna you want to do the honors and 55 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: kick us off with with the email that that you found. 56 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: This is one of like a surge of emails we 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: got to I believe. Yeah, I don't know if I 58 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: feel good about it exactly, but I will definitely do 59 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: this thing. This email. Um emailer asked to remain anonymous 60 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: for some pretty obvious reasons that you will shortly understand. 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: And this was a response to Matt's strange news story 62 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: from last week about Paris Hilton and her troubled upbringing 63 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: being kind of taken to these sort of like boot 64 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: camps or sort of I guess, I don't know, rehab 65 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: type things, not necessarily for drugs, but just for like 66 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: bad behavior, troubled children. That's right. But but these are 67 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: not detention centers, and that they're not like mandated by 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: the law. Right, these are like you pay for These 69 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: are private companies that do these, you know, sort of 70 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: crash course kind of things for profit. Right. And that 71 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: is specifically what this email is about. And the reason 72 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: our listeners from ain anonymous, because she has had firsthand 73 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: knowledge of this stuff. UM. It's it's a little long. 74 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to read some exerpts, but mainly I think 75 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: it's all worth hearing and then we can have a 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: little discussion about it. Good morning, gentlemen. I listened to 77 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: the story Matt told about Paris Hilton. Uh, the story 78 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: of the troubled child industry, that's what it's called. I 79 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: it's from those working inside of it, um, and since 80 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: I was recently a science teacher at one of their schools, 81 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: I thought I would touch base with all about my 82 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: experience with it. Because I'm a certified teacher now in 83 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: the public school system, I asked that my anonymity be honored. Uh. 84 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: The first thing I thought you should know is that 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: when they kidnapped the kids, they call it gooning g 86 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: O O N I N G, and the stories my 87 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: students told me about it were horrible. After the girls 88 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: in our program were gooned, they would be taken to 89 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: a wilderness program where they did intense therapy while living 90 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: outdoors in the wilderness all seasons, usually in the Idaho 91 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: or Utah mountains. They would learn meditation, do therapy, and 92 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: learn survival skills like how to start a fire and 93 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: carve a spoon. Not all of our girls did wilderness, 94 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: but the ones who didn't were rare. Once the girls 95 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: were done with that program, usually three to six months, 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: sometimes more and sometimes less, their recruiter would have a 97 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: school or other program lined up. They have a recruiter 98 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: or handler who works with their family through the system, 99 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: who guides them through a series of programs, usually all 100 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: run under a single umbrella corporation like Interchange or embark. 101 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: Um Brokers get a cut and this is this is 102 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a listener's opinion or an assumption she's making based on 103 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: her experience in the industry. But she says she assumes 104 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the longer that the children are into the program, the 105 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: more programs they do, the bigger the cut the broker gets. Um, 106 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: let me tell you why I think this industry is 107 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: disgusting and predatory. Once at the school, the clients are 108 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: in a system that requires them to check boxes to graduate. 109 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: They move through a series of steps where privileges are 110 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: gained or lost based on their conformity. The stated goal 111 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: is that they are improving in therapy, but that's frankly bullshit. Uh, 112 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: since I was merely the science teacher and the ten 113 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: years of work I did in the therapeutic community meant nothing. 114 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I was regularly ignored by the many therapists who run 115 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: around like demagogues making arbitrary decisions about the lives of 116 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: our population. Our girls had classes four days a week 117 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: all year long, and we're pulled from class so often 118 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: for therapy to speak to prospective families, convincing them to 119 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: bring their kids to our Wow. Literally pulled from class 120 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: to be kind of trotted out as examples. Uh, speaking 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: to prospective families about their positive experiences or whatever would happened. Um, yeah, 122 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: prospective families, convincing them to bring their kids to our program, 123 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: to do commercials, to talk to the programs director, or 124 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: just because someone wanted to take them somewhere for some 125 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: BS arbitrary reason. It made me so uncomfortable. I blacklisted 126 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: my classes, forcing the therapist to remove them from other classes. Uh, 127 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: they kind of listened sometimes. I didn't feel comfortable giving 128 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: the girls grades because they weren't getting through enough of 129 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: the standards. I was considered the strictest teacher on campus. Uh, 130 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: there were a whole six of us because I made 131 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: them do actual work and did actual lessons. I barely 132 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: had the materials I needed, and our books were so 133 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: out of date. My chemistry book was missing eighteen elements 134 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: on the periodic table. I was also a therapist, a 135 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: safe space, and a mom too. Many of the girls. Um, 136 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: girls ran, they self harmed, they refused to eat. They 137 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: had real issues that didn't seem to ever be truly 138 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: addressed in a meaningful way. I'm still in contact with 139 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of my girls, and no I had a 140 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: positive impact, but the company hated me for minute one 141 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: in part because our installation, in particular is run by 142 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: and employs a lot of strict Mormon members, and I 143 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: don't care about uh towing their arbitrary gender roles. I 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: hated that job. It almost killed me, and when they 145 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: fired me at the end of last year, I already 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: had a new job lined up. Anyway, I won't go 147 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: in the accreditation process we went through while I was there. 148 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: It was laughable, she says. Because I've written so much already, 149 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm willing to answer any questions I can if you 150 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: have any, UM, I think it would be a good 151 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: idea for you guys to do an episode on the industry. 152 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: It's predatory and scary how we treat kids in this country, 153 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: especially at these and other types of private institutions. Wow. Yeah, 154 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: it's tough to hear from an educator who was within 155 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the system, who saw all the problems inside, who knew 156 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: the the children who were involved had real problems that 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: that weren't being addressed, because that that's the whole point 158 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: of this system, right, UM, or at least that's the 159 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: stated goal. UM, when it does feel like maybe the 160 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: true goal is more about conformity two norms and to 161 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: to accepting authority. Maybe maybe those are maybe those are 162 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: closer to the actual goals that would argue the actual 163 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: goals are simply in only profit and avoiding prosecution. Yeah, 164 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: I I yeah, I mean I can I can see that. 165 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: But I guess I'm trying to imagine from the how 166 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: you could get away with it for long enough without 167 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: having some kind of stated goal that the parents in 168 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: some way I agree with, like it was worth it 169 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: to send my child there basically. Um, And I think 170 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: conformity is probably the biggest thing, like breaking down a 171 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: child's free will to a certain science, let's say compliant. 172 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: That's that's what I mean. That's that's something that many 173 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:42,119 Speaker 1: institutions are founded entirely on law enforcement, the military, religion, 174 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: They're founded on conformity and compliance. I appreciate that you 175 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: read the entirety of of the email, because it's it's 176 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: indicative of the vast amount of correspondence that we've received here, 177 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: not just email, but I'm sure that we've all had 178 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: people personally reaching out to us in this regard. One 179 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: of the things we said is we do want to 180 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: make an episode about this. The further down the rabbit 181 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: hole I've gone since we did that episode. I don't 182 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: know about you, guys. The more disturbing stuff I found. 183 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Judicial corruption runs rampant, uh, sometimes functioning hand at hand 184 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: with these private institutions. The the victims, and I do 185 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: think victims is a fair word. In many cases are 186 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: are dealing with lifelong PTSD trauma of these experiences, and 187 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: the problem is that again, I think the main issue 188 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: here is that there is not oversight the of any 189 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: substantive form. I greatly appreciate this email from you, anonymous, 190 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: because I I think you're giving a startling look into 191 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 1: something that's more common than people realize. And the thing 192 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: I've been struggling with, and I don't know about you guys, 193 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: just speaking for myself, is remembering that logically, these are 194 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: not all terrible places, right, some of them are helping 195 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: people just to finish that though, No, they're not all 196 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: terrible places. And also let's not forget that you know, 197 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: there are children that that this This isn't just run 198 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: of the mill bad behavior, like parents just like shoving 199 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: their kids off because they don't want to deal with 200 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: disciplining them. I mean, typically we are talking about things 201 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: like self harm, you know, severe depression, um suicidal ideations 202 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: like things like that that are beyond the scope of 203 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: things that parents can handle. And of course, you know, 204 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: it is a luxury for some parents to be able 205 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 1: to afford to send their kids to places like this, 206 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: and certainly there are probably a range of facilities that 207 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: are you know, vouched for more than others, and and 208 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure the cost rises accordingly. But you're right then, 209 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, and I agree it. It's 210 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: not to throw all uh sort of. I guess you 211 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: could call it like sleep away therapy since suations under 212 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: the bus. But it certainly does seem like the lack 213 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: of oversight, the lack of proper accreditation UM could cause 214 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: some real problems, I think, and that's clear from this 215 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: and other emails we've gotten around this subject. Well. Yeah, 216 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: and speaking of those other emails, we've had so many 217 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: people right to us to say that what's what ended 218 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: up sending them or what what ended up getting them 219 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: into one of these places was trauma that occurred to them. 220 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: A lot of times it was abuse by someone around 221 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: them before ever entering the facility, and the facility is 222 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: meant to assist the student, the child in dealing with 223 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: the trauma that they've experienced and only to arrive at 224 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: a place to have further, even worse trauma inflicted upon them. Um. 225 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: That's what makes I think this so egregious. Uh. And 226 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: again that is not in every instance. And as we're 227 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: seeing here from our anonymous emailer, there are good individuals 228 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: that exist within the ecosystem of even the worst schools. 229 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: You there have to be good individuals in there, UM 230 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: who see what's happening, want to change it, and maybe 231 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: can't change it. Um. It's just we have to remember 232 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: all the sides of this. Um. It's just it's it's horrifying. 233 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: It's it's horrifying, and and I am I'm not looking 234 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: forward to making this a full episode, but I think 235 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: it is. It's very important. And we and we should 236 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: and we will. We keep saying that we we will. Yeah, well, 237 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean this is we we to our credit, we 238 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: only uh said it in that first in that first 239 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: strange news and today so and we do put in 240 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: the research time with this. Uh. At the risk of 241 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: UM sounding like it's all gloom and doom here, I 242 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys, but always feel like we're 243 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: on the right track. When I get the feeling that 244 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: we that I don't want us to do something, but 245 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, because that's the reason 246 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: this show exists completely, not to just I don't know, 247 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: we do fun stuff too, write there a lot of 248 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: like Vernes is still fun. A lot of people die 249 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: because of him. Um And yeah, by the way, uh, 250 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: there's a little behind the curtain. But if anybody, if 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: any of you have noticed, we have been doing some 252 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: more paranormal stuff recently, some more things that are I 253 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know more I dislike the word fun just and 254 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: more mysteriously. Yeah, so tearing mysteriously entertaining, I think, uh. 255 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: And I would just say on my part, it's because personally, 256 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with everything that's happening, and 257 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: this is giving me great joy to explore some of 258 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: those other topics and thinking about something as has messed 259 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: up and dire as this topic. It's just it's giving 260 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: me anxiety, further anxiety totally. I I mean, I I'm 261 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: with you while we're staying backstage. I I miss it 262 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: because that kind of stuff is the soul of the 263 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: show and it's easy to drift away. But this is 264 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: critical thinking applied to the paranormal and conspiracies. And to 265 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: to like say otherwise is uh is to lose sight 266 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: of the reason we started. You know, I mean this, 267 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: this is in many cases the troubled teen industry is 268 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: itself conspiratorial. Right, they are conspiring to go to goon 269 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: these kids. Uh, they're conspiring in some cases to cover 270 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: up abuse. Right. And again that's it's too broad a 271 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: brush to say that that's happening in every single institution, 272 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: every single day. But the things that we have found 273 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: that you're that our fellow listeners have shared with us 274 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: are immensely compelling, Like there is there is something rotten 275 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: in the denmark of the troubled teen industry. What an 276 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: odd term though, using goon and I think of goon 277 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: squads is like a group of mercenaries or something, or 278 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, criminals that are gonna attack you with billie clubs. Ah, 279 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: that they would choose to use that term as like 280 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: an industry insider word, I think, I think, yeah, I 281 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: highly doubt that's own many memos. I think it's probably 282 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: that's just spoken about by the people who do it. 283 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: Were they gonna say press gang like empire of old. 284 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: It's a good point. I actually found a piece in 285 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: the New York Times from Steen called Therapy Becomes Theater 286 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: in Wilderness, and it was about a person who basically 287 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: converted their like experience in this therapy type of program 288 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: um into a theater piece. But the word gooning is 289 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: used in this as well, and this is it is 290 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: it is a thing. So yeah, I think maybe more 291 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: more to this discussion another time. Uh been a full episode. 292 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: I think to to to back to back. You guys up, 293 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense, And thank you so much for 294 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: the insider perspective on this from our anonymous listener. Yes, 295 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: and and look, look seriously, keep in mind there's going 296 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: to be an entire nonfiction documentary series about a specific 297 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: school coming out next year, uh, from my slate, So 298 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in further detail too, and in 299 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: the interim, Uh, please keep the correspondence coming. We very 300 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: much want to hear from you. So let's take a 301 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back with some more 302 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: listener Now, and we're back, we're going to hear a 303 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: message from someone named Bob. Here it is, Yeah, it's 304 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: it's from Northern Canada and us just listen to the 305 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: podcast about star players like that, and I seem to 306 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: remember back in the nineties, are our phones got knocked 307 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: out at work and and our phones stopped working to 308 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: like they something like that, and they all chalked it 309 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: up to a solar flayer. Do you remember that back 310 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: in the nineties. Maybe it was the early thoughts. Anyways, 311 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: I didn't think about that until now, and uh, I thought, 312 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: I thought that would be worth bringing up again. But 313 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: really appreciate the podcast and keep up a good work, 314 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: all right, cares Okay, Bob. Solar flares. Maybe you don't 315 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: know this, but solar flare, solar activity, corona mass ejections. 316 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: That's one of our favorite topics on this show. It's 317 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: one of my personal favorite things to be fearful of 318 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: and aware of. Nothing you can do about it. The 319 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: power of the Sun. It controls us in so many ways. 320 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Um we here we go. I did a bit of 321 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: research behind this outside of what we've already talked about 322 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: on our show. When it comes to mass exciteability with 323 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: the Sun. I think that's probably the episode you listened to, Bob, 324 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: and I found a couple of things. There's an n 325 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: O A a article that I found here that talks 326 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: about five times where the where solar activity affected life 327 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: on Earth in a negative way. A lot of times 328 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: it had to do with technology. And I don't know 329 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: if this is the actual thing that occurred that you're 330 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: thinking about, but I'm going to tell you something that 331 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: occurred on March tenth, so almost the nineties. Um uh oh, 332 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: it's really close. Okay. So there was a powerful coronal 333 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: mass eruption on the Sun and there was a flare. 334 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: The outburst caused shortwave radio interference. It jams signals from 335 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: Radio Free Europe, which is something we've talked about before 336 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: on this show. It's a government funded organization that broadcasts 337 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: uncensored news and information to audiences and countries where it's 338 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: banned by the government, say a bit of an intelligence 339 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: operation there. Some people thought it was the Russians doing this. Um. 340 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: And it's really interesting because you imagine the Sun is 341 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: so far away when there's a CME or chromass ejection 342 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: or a solar flare or something like that, that energy 343 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: is getting pulsed out, and if it's aimed towards the Earth, 344 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: it takes a while to hit us. When it did 345 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: hit us on March twelve, it caused northern lights to 346 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: be seen as far south as Florida and Cuba, which 347 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: is crazy to think about, like that must have been 348 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: just a massive solar storm there created all kinds of 349 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: electrical electrical currents in the ground, affected much of North America. 350 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: And then on March thirteen, in the morning, it affected 351 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: a weak section of the electrical power grid in Quebec, 352 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Canada and caused the entire city's power it to go down. 353 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: There was a it was a blackout that lasted for 354 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: twelve hours. Millions of people were affected by it. There 355 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: were other cities also within the United States up in 356 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: that northern territory area that we're affected by the solar storm. Uh. 357 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: There were over two hundred power grid problems within minutes 358 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: of this thing actually impacting the earth across the country. Uh. 359 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: Really fascinating stuff. Just to imagine that the sun can 360 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 1: have a bit of a burp, large a large belch, 361 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: and it can it can affect us in this way. 362 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: And I guess the good thing is that it can 363 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: do much more damage than that, and it was it 364 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: was not I guess it wasn't a worse situation, right 365 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: because the sun is a sphere, and these cme s 366 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: coronal mass ejections. Uh, that's what was responsible nine. As 367 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: you mentioned, Matt, I think we did a YouTube video 368 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: about at least how it affected Quebec. But the since 369 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the Sun is a sphere, these CMEs come from a 370 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: direction that launches from a specific point on that sphere. 371 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: They don't just emanate from the whole thing. So that 372 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: means they're SMEs that could that could be tremendously potentially catastrophic, 373 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: and they just shoot out into empty space because we're 374 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: on we're like on the other side of the solar neighborhood, 375 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: which is lucky but also kind of frightening because we're 376 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: basically playing a game of solar Russian Roulette, you know 377 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: what I mean. At some point that's a variable the 378 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: gun quote unquote in some ways going to be loaded. 379 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: And I remember all those years ago, this is something 380 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I had not really been aware of until you introduced 381 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: me to it, Matt. One thing I found that was 382 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: interesting in response to Bob's uh correspondence here is Bob, 383 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: I really want to know specifically where you were, because 384 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: it turns out that due to some factors, we might 385 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: not consider some areas, at least in the US. Summarias 386 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: of the world presumably are more vulnerable in general than others, 387 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: like the Midwest and Eastern seaboard in the US almost 388 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: entirely because of the electric grid is much more vulnerable 389 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: to these sorts of effects. But the science is there. 390 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: I mean, CMEs can knock out electric grids, but they 391 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: can also interfere with the energy that your phone has 392 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: to use to communicate. Yeah, it's really interesting. So there's 393 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: even more that we could touch on with the Quebec 394 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: blackout of eighty nine, but it it's really it's really 395 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: creepy there. It became kind of legendary when it at 396 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: least according to NASA when it comes to electrical engineers, 397 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: UM and space scientists who are just trying to figure out, Okay, 398 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: how do we prevent this from happening in the future. 399 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: How do we secure all of this infrastructure to make 400 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: sure when this happens again, we you don't have a 401 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: blackout that lasts for half a day or full day 402 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: or weeks or months um. Because you have no doubt 403 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: if there's a large enough coronal mass ejection that reaches Earth, 404 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: that is aimed at Earth, and reaches Earth. Um, it 405 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: can fry the entire electrical grid of the planet, at 406 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: least the sun facing part as well as you know. 407 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: It just depends on a lot of variables, but it 408 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: could have a major effect to the point where electrical 409 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: wires themselves get fried and you have you'd have to 410 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: re like imagine the imagine the power grid near your house, 411 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: if you've got telephone lines or something to have electricity 412 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: running through them through the wires. Imagine all of that frying. 413 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: But then imagine that not just in your neighborhood, but 414 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: in your entire city or your entire state. And how 415 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: long it would take for the city or state or 416 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: even the federal government to replace all of that infrastructure 417 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: to get power back. Oh dude, think how long it 418 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: takes sometimes to even just like reset a power you know, 419 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: brown out or something like on a neighborhood. Like you 420 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine the logistics of of doing something on that scale. 421 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we'd we'd hit the road territory pretty fast. 422 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: I think, well for a time, they would. But there's 423 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: there's another factor that we have to consider here, and 424 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: this is going again, Bob, I don't mean to sound 425 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: like I'm stalking you, but let me know you're located. 426 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: Because some areas of the world have what uh, what 427 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: could best be described as terrible geological luck. They have 428 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: electrically resistive rock or more so than normal to just 429 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: be like igneous metamorphic formations. And when when we're talking 430 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: about high voltage electrical components and wires in those parts 431 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: of a world, those parts of the world or those 432 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: parts of this country, that means they're more vulnerable to 433 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: geomagnetic disturb from not even just not even c is 434 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: just solar flares. And engineers are aware of this and 435 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: they want to plan for it. But the tough part is, uh, 436 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, funding gets cut for infrastructure all the time, 437 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: right the US infrastructure is crumbling in parts of this country, 438 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: everything from the bridges to infamously the levies, uh, to 439 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: the electricity grid. It's no different. So imagine you're the 440 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: engineer and you have to come in and say, look, 441 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: I know the project is supposed to cost X amount 442 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: of dollars over why amount of years, but we need 443 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: the amount of extra funding to make sure that the 444 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: sun doesn't like pop a sniper head shot at us 445 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: and plunge new York into darkness. Maybe New York would 446 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: have the money to listen, but a lot of smaller 447 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: towns aren't gonna do. Like, how are you going to 448 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: convince Um, I'm just gonna make up a small town. 449 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: Apologies if I'm accidentally naming yours, folks. How are you 450 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: gonna convince the people of um mountain foot hogs swallow? Uh? 451 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: West Dakota. There we go. I made it safe because 452 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: that's not our real state. Are you going to convince 453 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: them to spend the cash on something as a contingency 454 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: for something that really may never happen on a reasonable scale. Uh, 455 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: you have to try, because you're going to be public 456 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: enemy number one if this kind of thing happens. Because people, 457 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: as we've seen during blackouts, the social covenant that we 458 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: have with each other is very fragile. It entirely depends 459 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: on two things. One basic human decency and to the 460 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: fear of consequences. When you remove number two, number one 461 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: doesn't seem as powerful as it did when the lights 462 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: were working. WHOA, Yeah, totally dude. So Hey, in conclusion, Bob, 463 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't we don't know what exactly you mean? What 464 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: what was happening by the way I edited that a 465 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: little bit. What you just heard. He mentions Blackberries that 466 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: I think the entire office was using Blackberries. So I 467 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: did a bit of research trying to find a time 468 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: when the network that BlackBerry uses went down in the 469 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: area where he was describing, and I could not find 470 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: anything that correlated. So again, if you get more info, Bob, 471 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: please email us this time, just because we know your voice, 472 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: we know what's going on. If you want to give 473 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: us more context, shoot us an email and we'll we'll 474 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: try and track some of this down. In the meantime, 475 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: do your own research if you if you can on 476 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: the eighteen fifty nine solar flare that was observed and 477 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: the resulting solar storm and what happened to telegraph systems 478 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: across the planet. Really interesting stuff. Oh, I don't know 479 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,479 Speaker 1: if I should put this out there, but it's maybe 480 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: of interest to some of our fellow listeners. If you're 481 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: in a situation where you don't want cellular devices to 482 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: work around you for whatever reason, for a given amount 483 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: of time, Uh, then with a little bit of research, 484 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: it's fairly simple to build uh your own handheld kind 485 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: of like Jammer system. You can fit it in an 486 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: alty tent. This is the spots by Altoys show me this, Uh, 487 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: maybe off air, but yeah, yeah it's Uh, it's weird 488 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,479 Speaker 1: because I've found out about it years ago when uh 489 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Altoys was asking the success like the successful shows on 490 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: our network to talk about what they called tent ovations. Yeah, 491 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking, how can we figure out something that 492 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: we could do with this that would work for stuff 493 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know? And then that was 494 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: that was the answer I found. You can build a 495 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: small enough one to fit in an Altoids tent. Is 496 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: this like this like a e MP kind of situation 497 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: or is this different? Yeah? Yeah it is, Uh, this 498 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: would be an e MP jammer. Uh. Do you have 499 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: to point out maybe one of the reasons Altoids pass 500 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: on it is that technically, from what I understand it 501 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: is Uh, it is illegal uh in the US if 502 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: you are if you're not a government official, So I 503 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: guess we cannot legally tell you that it is very 504 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: very easy to build one. We again, we cannot legally 505 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: say that you could go online and in a very 506 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: short amount of time find both the guide to making 507 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: it and the components you would need. We would never 508 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: well certainly, certainly don't send me a link, Ben, whatever 509 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: you do, I would not. I would certain Matt, I 510 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: would certainly never on air say that I will send 511 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: you a link after we record. Well, goodness, it's really 512 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: important to have boundaries, you guys. It's true. All right, Hey, 513 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: I think I think, uh, I think this ends our 514 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: discussion for now. Bob, thank you so much for calling in. 515 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: We hope we gave you something helpful. We'll we'll take 516 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: a quick break and be you right back, and we're back. 517 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: Our next piece of listener correspondence comes from a person 518 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: will call A, who reached out via Twitter. A reached 519 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: out to us UM a while back earlier this month 520 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: to ask us to cover a little more about the 521 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: situation in Nigeria, which hopefully you have heard about because 522 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: a lot of mass media outlets finally finally got it 523 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: together and started reporting on these enormous test So I'm 524 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: going to read just a little bits of what A wrote, 525 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: and then we'll give more examination of the lay of 526 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: the land. So A is based in Nigeria. By the way, 527 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: A says, the protest nationwide have been peaceful so far, 528 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: that is, until the police began shooting live ammunition and 529 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: tear gas into the crowd. He's alluding to protests that 530 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: are largely centered on the abolition of something called STARS, 531 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: not the disease. Stars is an acronym standing for the 532 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: Special Anti Robbery Squad, So that's the STARS we're talking 533 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: about today. UH, Nigerian police Force unit created back in 534 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: On paper, they were supposed to deal with crimes associated 535 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: with robbery, grand theft, auto or motor vehicle theft, kidnapping, 536 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: illegal firearms, cattle rustling, that kind of stuff. But unfortunately, 537 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: it turns out that they were committing crimes at least 538 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: as often as they were ostensibly preventing them. So, in 539 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: asking A about what what the protests were about, because 540 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: at the time he reached out to us, this was 541 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: not widely reported western media, A said that they're ultimately 542 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: pushing for the disbandment of STARS, which I believe has occurred, 543 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: and also pushing for actual, lasting reform. A says the 544 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: issue here is that in Nigeria, saying reform means will 545 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: shuffle our feet a bit, wait for tensions to die down, 546 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: and then forget everything UH and it will be back 547 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: to business as usual. Also, A says something that may 548 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: be of interest to our listeners not based in Nigeria. 549 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: It says, first, the police have a really bad reputation here. Bribery, extortion, 550 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: brutality are very common traits. Police work well for the rich. 551 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: They get these guys as escorts to accompany them on 552 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 1: the road. The ones who aren't lucky to be escorts, 553 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: apparently it's very lucrative for them, do stop and search 554 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: on the roads. This is where a lot of extortion 555 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: takes place. Drivers are forced to drop a little something 556 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: for them before they're allowed to pass, and sometimes they 557 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: go out of their way to do this preemptively because 558 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: it's so expected, like you travel with the bribe in hand. 559 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: Police detain people without evidence. Bail is not free. A 560 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: goes on to say, I've heard stories of people who 561 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: got charged with crimes they didn't commit and had just 562 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: been spirited away to police cells. Recently, during the protests, 563 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: one police officer shot another one while they were shooting 564 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: live ammunition to dispel protesters. A protester got picked up 565 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: and was charged with the murder of that police officer. 566 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: It took a lot of effort to get that protest 567 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: or released, and this was after he was physically assaulted 568 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: and being taken to a federal prison. This is one 569 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: of many similar crimes, and then a is quick to say, 570 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: now there, of course, there might be a few specs 571 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: of good cops here and there, but that's just it. 572 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: Recent research has shown that police in Nigeria are largely underpaid. 573 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: This may be a motivating factor, but still isn't a 574 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: good reason to cause the havoc they have been wreaking 575 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 1: on Nigerians. There are still victims of a failed system 576 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: and their anger is if that is what it can 577 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: be called, is directly at the wrong place. So they 578 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: make an interesting point. You're saying that the police in 579 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: some way may also be victims of this of a 580 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: broken system. And that's something we talked about in our 581 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: earlier Strange News episode when we were talking about the 582 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: ethics of fraudulent uh Cares Act claims under nuke Bissle 583 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: or nuke Bissles fraudulent claims. I love the idea of 584 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: under nuke Bizzle, like as he's some sort of politician 585 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: or like a regime under the new Basil SoundCloud administration. 586 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: That's right. Uh So let's let's talk about stars for 587 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: a little bit. So in the interim between when a 588 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: wrote to us and when we recorded this episode, all 589 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it seemed international media companies began to 590 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: care about what was happening in Nigeria, by which mean 591 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: they began to report about it. The BBC, Al Jazeera, UH, 592 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: New York Times, I believe has a piece. But this 593 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: has been this has been happening for unfortunately for quite 594 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: a while, and it's not I would advance that it 595 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: was reaching the West first in terms of via Twitter, right. 596 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: Twitter is doing a lot of reporting these days because 597 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't have some of the same filters, right that 598 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: mainstream media has in place. That's a powerful thing and arguably, 599 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily always a good thing, because mainstream 600 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: journalism has filters. Some of the filters they have in 601 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: place include things like vetting information, confirming sources, and and 602 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: Twitter's primary filter is do you have a Twitter account 603 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: and a connection to the internet, which is not the same. Uh. 604 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: But here's here's what's happening. Like we see we see tweets, uh, 605 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: like one from December five, uh where someone says a 606 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: friend just called me now a distress call along know 607 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: how road he encountered stars and they wanted fifty k, 608 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: but all he had was thirty K. So he's calling 609 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: to get twenty k from me to pay them off. 610 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: He was just driving back from work, So like, imagine 611 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: being snatched out of your car, being gooned out of 612 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: your car, uh, and being shaken down for a bribe. 613 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: Bribes are are so these are what we call often 614 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: street level bribes, right, victimizing the community one is supposed 615 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: to serve and protect. These are extremely common in lots 616 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: of other parts of the world. In in Guatemala, one 617 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: of the euphemisms. I'm sure we mentioned this before, but 618 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: Guatemala whatether euphemisms is like, if a cop is shaking 619 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,720 Speaker 1: down a tourist or someone or anybody on the roads, 620 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: then they'll say something like, well, you know, maybe we 621 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: can make this not such a big deal. Uh. You know, 622 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: I could use lextra money for chicklets. The chick lay 623 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: tree is in guatemal and chicklets are popular. So you 624 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: just you're like, oh, I'm just helping this guy give 625 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: them some money for some gum, you know what I mean. 626 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: That's not a bribe, that's just two fans of gum 627 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: celebrating life. But they're also you know, you you hear 628 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: all kinds of euphemisms from law enforcement around the world, 629 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: like a little taste, you know what I mean. Uh, 630 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: it's just not I think in the US we're often 631 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: blind to this because we don't we don't see low 632 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: level bribes happening as often in the United States. If 633 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: they do, it's not a necessarily a small financial sum. 634 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: It's something like sexual favors or drugs and kind. But 635 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: that's not to say our system isn't corrupt. It's just 636 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: the entry price of a successful bribe tends to be 637 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 1: much higher. It's right, and it's it's certainly not just 638 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: like a common parlance like you can okay, I can 639 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: get out of this ticket by you know, rubbing together 640 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: a twenty dollar bill. Ha. How about my friend, my 641 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: friend George Washington here has says that you didn't Boomeo. Well, 642 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: it's this may be controversial, and I'm sorry in advance, 643 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: but it may seem to some like it does to 644 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: me that the bribes have just been made official in 645 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: the United States. The bribe is now no longer the 646 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: money changing hands between being an officer or two officers 647 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: and a victim of the who's being forced to do this. 648 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: It is now an official statute for a parking violation 649 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: or a speeding ticket or some other thing that you 650 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: have to pay several hundred dollars to the county for 651 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: bail or bail or lobbying. Lobbying is weird. No one 652 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: ever talks about lobbying. Oh man. No, all of that 653 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: stuff feels like essentially codified bribery, like, especially when it's 654 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: not even based in government, like in Atlanta. Here, we 655 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 1: have a company that will boot your car, uh if 656 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: you're parked in an unauthorized place, and that's based on 657 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 1: I guess who owns the lot and you know, some 658 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: signage or whatever. But it's not even the city. It's 659 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: this third party company then then puts like a boot 660 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: on your car and a sticker on your window with 661 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: a number to call, so that like the person can 662 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: show up with a credit card machine that you can 663 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: then swipe to get your car back. It's basically like 664 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: unlawful seizure of your property without due process, you know, 665 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 1: and they're on commission. Yeah yeah, uh And I think 666 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: was it was it you know who like got booted 667 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: one time in my old apartment. Yes, oh, God. So 668 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: we had to go out there and I had to. 669 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: I had to, Like, uh, I don't quite remember what 670 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: the circumstances were, but I do. This is all coming back. 671 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: This is not this is not what I was describing, 672 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: because this is what I'm describing. Having me another time 673 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: in Atlanta's a little five Points area where I parked 674 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: in a Starbucks and I got a coffee and then 675 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: I walked over to a record store. When I came 676 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: back ten minutes later, my car was booted and there 677 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: was a sticker on the window and they literally roll 678 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: up with like a machine. It's it's like, you know, 679 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: holding your car hostage. But yeah, I do remember did 680 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: I leave it over a night or something, or I 681 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: had to go out there. You did go out there 682 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: and talk to him, but the but we we managed 683 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,720 Speaker 1: to resolve that because we weren't dealing with some entity 684 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: like Stars. So the n Stars campaign picked up a 685 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: lot of steam recently, uh in this month, in particular 686 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: in October, as we record this, because a police officer 687 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: in Stars shot a young man in front of a 688 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: hotel in the Delta State, and the video became the 689 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: watershed moment right. It became the Malcolm Cladwell ass tipping 690 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,280 Speaker 1: point for the nation. It started trending on social media 691 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: and within a matter of days there were nationwide protests. 692 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: They expanded like it started with hashtags right as many 693 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: things do, and then it became something that was in 694 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: city streets throughout the country. UH. Prominent notable activists, celebrities 695 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: were joining this, raising awareness of the protest because Stars 696 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: was Stars was capable of victimizing people from all walks 697 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: of life in the country with impunity, and they were 698 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,439 Speaker 1: noticed to be very violent. Like that's part of why 699 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: even Nigerian celebrities joined in. But when these protests occurred, 700 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: the response was the response from authorities was massively violence. 701 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 1: We already mentioned live ammunition like like you pointed out 702 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: to us a Uh. People were also beaten, chased away. UH. However, 703 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: at this point, there is good news. Just on October eleven, 704 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: not that long ago, the Inspector General of the Police, 705 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: Won Mohammed Adamu, announced that they were disbanding Stars. They 706 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: were disbanding the Special Anti Robbery Squad. Has said this 707 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,840 Speaker 1: on live television. But to the point we made earlier, 708 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: they said. They also said a new tactical team will 709 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: be unveiled. Yeah, shortly. Yeah, can we talk just briefly 710 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: about how Stars began and what they used to do 711 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: with there, what it was, Yeah, absolutely right. Yeah, so 712 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: you mentioned that already. Two. It started out as essentially 713 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: an undercover operation. There were literally fifteen individual officers in 714 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: two vehicles that would go around and they would do covert, 715 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 1: covert operations where essentially they're listening to radios, they're picking 716 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: up signals from people on the road who are, you know, 717 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: as they ride around to catch criminals UM And they're 718 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: not they're not going in to arrest somebody immediately. They're 719 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: doing they're doing surveillance essentially, And they didn't even carry 720 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: weapons out in the open. They weren't were they weren't 721 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,800 Speaker 1: in clothes like in UM in any kind of official 722 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: insignia or or outfits, and that that was essentially their 723 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: role and it began expanding from there. Ninety two. For 724 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: the first decade, that's essentially what they're doing, but it 725 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: was expanding. But after that first decade, or around two 726 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: thousand two, is when they began going like officially going 727 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: after murderers, kidnappers, assassins and all of these other you know, 728 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: violent criminals. And this is when, at least according to 729 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 1: Al Jazeera and in their reports, this is when those 730 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: roadblocks started happening that you were talking about. Ben. Yeah, yeah, 731 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: you're right, Matt. I want I wanna step back a 732 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: little bit. It's in the mid nineties, to our knowledge, 733 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: when members of Stars started committing extra judicial murders that 734 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: we can trace. We can trace like clearly. Uh. They 735 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:06,240 Speaker 1: tested in they arrested these two security guards who were 736 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,240 Speaker 1: suspected of being the inside heist members of a robbery. 737 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: The guards were not charged with the crime and in 738 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 1: January of the next year, their bodies were just put 739 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: in a morgue without any explanation of what happened to 740 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: them in Stars custody. In case we need to put 741 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: a fine point on that. Uh. And you're right, You're right, Matt. 742 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: They started covertly. They started covertly out of what was 743 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: arguably necessity. You know, the Nigerian Army and the Nigerian 744 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: Police force were at odds, right, and so the problem 745 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 1: is that it seems they went to a place where 746 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,479 Speaker 1: they were existing beyond the law. And it's it's tough 747 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: to pinpoint the exact moment where that kind of corruption occurs. 748 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like it's not like people in 749 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: police force get together, have a meeting and say, all right, 750 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: schools out, we're gonna be like Homelander and the Boys. 751 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna do whatever we want. It. Just the rules 752 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: gradually erode until they are completely washed away. No, that 753 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: doesn't feel dire or awful at all, And he said sarcastically. However, 754 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: there is good news because you know, the protests accomplished 755 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: one of the primary aims, which is to disband this force. 756 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: And it's not disbanding the entirety of the police force, obviously, 757 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: it's disbanding Stars. And Stars hasn't been around forever. H 758 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 1: was not that long ago. It's longer than some of 759 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: our fellow listeners might think, but it wasn't that long ago. 760 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: So with this we see a couple of things. Maybe 761 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: I guess the inspiring idea is that we see a 762 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: case where a protest was focused and worked. You know, 763 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: But to your question, A, we have to ask ourselves, 764 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,160 Speaker 1: is this lasting reform? Are the teams that grow to 765 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 1: fulfill the same duties that Stars was meant to fulfill. 766 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: Are they going to be able to hold the line 767 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: are they going to um end up breaking the same 768 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,359 Speaker 1: laws they're there to, like they're there to enforced who 769 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: watches the watchman? Who police is the police? And aren't 770 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,439 Speaker 1: they still actually shooting protesters as of like the day 771 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 1: before we're recording this. Yeah, I mean, you know, I 772 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: I show that i'd like to watch every day. If 773 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: I haven't recommended it, I will now it's it's democracy now. 774 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: It's a daily you know, streaming new show, and they 775 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 1: cover things like this that often don't get coverage on 776 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: other networks. And yes, there are protests around this, and 777 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: there was a situation just a few days ago where um, 778 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: these forces fired live ammunition into a crowd of protesters. 779 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: So it's absolutely still a thing. Hey, Ben, Ben, I 780 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: love that I'm I'm making you No, No, I love 781 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,880 Speaker 1: that Noel has just discovered democracy now. No, I'm not. 782 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: I haven't. Just it's just something that I start my 783 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: day out with. And I've gotten back into in this 784 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,320 Speaker 1: crazy news cycle where there's so much misinformation. I've always 785 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: relied on them and I really enjoy their reporting, and uh, 786 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,600 Speaker 1: and just got back into it, and they are reporting 787 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,400 Speaker 1: this story very regularly, and uh, quote game dot Holiday, 788 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: I think you make a tremendous point, and I appreciate 789 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,919 Speaker 1: it because you are you are correct, and it wasn't 790 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: just a couple of people. A dozen protesters in Nigeria 791 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: have apparently been killed by security forces after the October 792 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,840 Speaker 1: eleven disbandment, which means that ending STARS is not disbanding 793 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: STARS is not ending the problem of law enforcement attacking 794 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: civilians because these these are civilians, you know what I mean, 795 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 1: They're not militarized. They're protesting, and protests can turn violent, 796 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: but as A said, the majority of these protests when 797 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: they started out, they were peaceful. It was the police 798 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: who fired first. And I know that this happened in 799 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: the I don't remember exactly which day it was, but 800 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: certainly this week. There's this image that becomes sort of 801 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: iconic within this movement because I've seen a lot of 802 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: pictures and video on the ground from this of you know, 803 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,720 Speaker 1: somebody being shot and they were in order to stop 804 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: the bleeding, somebody wrapped their leg or side in a 805 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,760 Speaker 1: Nigerian flag and so there's blood all over this flag. 806 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,200 Speaker 1: And then you can see pictures of where they hung 807 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: up this Nigerian flag with you know, protest. There's blood 808 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: on it, and people have been passing that image around 809 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: a lot. Unfortunately, that means we have to end this, 810 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: this story on im media rest. We have to end 811 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 1: it before the story has concluded. We know that there 812 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: are multiple protests here. We know that the national government 813 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:26,280 Speaker 1: has been more or less silent on this point on 814 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,280 Speaker 1: on these deaths. Uh. And as we're recording this, we're 815 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,760 Speaker 1: we're waiting to hear more. You can see some televised 816 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,880 Speaker 1: statements from officials who are saying that they are investigating 817 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,719 Speaker 1: the I think the phrase they use is rules of 818 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:49,400 Speaker 1: engagement that law enforcement has chosen to deploy. But that 819 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: is very different from saying don't shoot citizens. I think 820 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,440 Speaker 1: we can agree, yeah, for sure. Yep. On a on 821 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: a high note, just because that's a really, really difficult 822 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: and important point for us to end on um on 823 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: on a lighter note. Uh, Phil Collins may get his 824 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: mansion back. Apparently he's asked people to help him, like 825 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,839 Speaker 1: his ex wife and someone are in an armed occupation 826 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: of the mansion. He might get his mansion back. I 827 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: don't know. That doesn't really messed not the positive note 828 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: I was looking for. Uh. I just wanted to write 829 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 1: a song about it. I wanted to do an album 830 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: of all Steely Dan covers called Steel Collins are Classics 831 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: compilation called Still Collins. I think you mean terribly amazing 832 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: and and gold. So this this is our show. Thank 833 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: you to A, thank you to Bob, Thank you anonymous. 834 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 1: As we said, these are these are heavy topics. They 835 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: are important, uh, and we want to explore them further. 836 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: We need your help. You can find us all over 837 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:13,879 Speaker 1: the internet. We're on Facebook, We're on Twitter, We're on Instagram. 838 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: We like to recommend here's where it gets crazy. On Facebook, 839 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 1: there will be a quiz. However, never fear, it's very easy. 840 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: You simply have to name one of us or code 841 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,960 Speaker 1: named Doc Holiday or Mission Control. Give us a joke 842 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: that tickles us, point out a terrible pun, just to 843 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,279 Speaker 1: say something that um, say something that gives us some 844 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: light in these dark times, uh, or you know, just 845 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,040 Speaker 1: point out something that less lets us know. You listen 846 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,319 Speaker 1: to the show and boom you're in in what has 847 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,319 Speaker 1: often been called, uh, the new improved version of the 848 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: Illuminati by us one time right now, that's all it takes, 849 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, just the single spark and start a fire. 850 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: That's a movement, even Um, whoa, how how else can 851 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 1: people get in touch with us? How can people uh 852 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,320 Speaker 1: we reach out through the void that is the Internet 853 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: to communicate with us? Use your phone? It's pretty cool. 854 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,080 Speaker 1: You can. You can. You can use voipe too, if 855 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: you've got that Skype thing on your computer. You just 856 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: dial one eight three three S T D W y 857 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,000 Speaker 1: t K. You will get a voicemail. You will hear 858 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: Mr Ben Bolan, the one that we call Ben. He 859 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: will talk to you an automated version of him, and 860 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 1: then you can leave a message and you tell us 861 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,839 Speaker 1: whatever you want. Make sure to let us know if 862 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,600 Speaker 1: we can use it on the air or not in 863 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: one of these episodes. That's highly important. Um, hey, guys, 864 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,320 Speaker 1: can can I do the fastest shout out really fast 865 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 1: to a project that a few of us are working on? 866 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,919 Speaker 1: Absolutely not please, Okay, I'm gonna go with Ben's answer. Cool. 867 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 1: Um Uh, Ben and I have been working on a 868 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 1: show and no, it's not to exclude you, but it's 869 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: a show called Thirteen Days of Halloween that is available 870 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: right now and it is a fiction horror anthology show 871 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: brought to you by Aaron Mankey of Lore and Blumhouse. 872 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,359 Speaker 1: The people who brought you Get Out an Invisible Man 873 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: and a ton of other amazing movies and television shows. 874 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: Don't forget about Fantasy Island. Fantasy Island, there's all kinds 875 00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,879 Speaker 1: of amazing stuff that they do. Well guess what they 876 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,279 Speaker 1: are making this show. And Ben and I happen to 877 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: be a part of the creation of the show. And uh, 878 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,480 Speaker 1: Ben's voice is going to be in it as as 879 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,160 Speaker 1: one of the actors, and two of his stories that 880 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,520 Speaker 1: he wrote are in it, and uh and I get 881 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: to direct and be cruel creator of the whole thing. 882 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,480 Speaker 1: But the Matt made the show. But yeah, but actually 883 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 1: made the show. But I couldn't have made it without 884 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: the amazing writers and actors who are a part of it. Ben, 885 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 1: thank you so much. You kicked butt on this. And 886 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,720 Speaker 1: the best thing is if you like Key and Peel, 887 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,880 Speaker 1: and you know what that is, um Keegan Michael Key 888 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,799 Speaker 1: is actually playing the the main character is what I 889 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,879 Speaker 1: will call him in this show. So check it out 890 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,320 Speaker 1: if you like any of that stuff. If you're feeling halloweeny, 891 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 1: thirteen Days of Halloween, Okay, that's halloweeny even yeah, yeah, 892 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: ridiculous history, it's okay. Crossover extended universe. I think you 893 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,680 Speaker 1: missed the bow. You should have called it the Thirteen 894 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: Days of Halloween. Sorry, guys, we just need to work 895 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: with more people named Wayne. That's really gonna takeaway. But 896 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,720 Speaker 1: the show is great. Do listen with headphones. I think 897 00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: that's a oh yeah, it's three D it's it's it's creepy. 898 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: It's like a SMR horror with Keegan, Michael Key and 899 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: Ben Bolland there you go. That's well too kind. If 900 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: you don't enjoy it, please send an email to our 901 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,720 Speaker 1: complaint department. As always, that's Jonathan Strickland at I heart 902 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: radio dot com. 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