1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: dot com, The Giant the Giants Podcast Network. Hello everybody, 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: and welcome to the newest episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: This week's guest former Giants linebacker Jonathan can see Us. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: But before we get to Jonathan, I want to remind 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: everybody you can find The Giant Subtle Podcast on all 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: of your favorite podcast platforms. 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Two 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: times Super Bowl champion, once with the Saints, one with 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: the Patriots, and and honestly one of my favorite guys 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: to talk to in the Giants locker room in the 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: last thirteen years that I've been working with the team. 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Always smart, got to talk to you, very thoughtful John, longtime, 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: no speak my friend John Schmulco and Lance Meadow on 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Big Blue Kick Off Live on Giants dot Com. We 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: hope you and your family are safe and healthy. How's 20 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: everything going everything, Will Man, thanks for that and um 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: smoke you got me over here, blessed man. I appreciate 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: those words, and no, man, dude, I'm serious. I love 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: talking to you because you're you know, you studied the game, 24 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: and I really appreciate it when somebody studies the game 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: and they really, you know, take a real hard look 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: at things and able to really talk about things, you know, 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: with with some real deep thought behind that. I want 28 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: to start here, Jonathan, because one of the things that 29 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: I always remember you talking about in the locker room 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: is the story of when you got traded to the 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: New England Patriots mid season back in and you asked 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: for a defensive playbook. Can you tell the folks how 33 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that conversation went. Well? Yeah, so, um, just to give 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: a little backstore, I was playing for the Tampa Bay 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Buccaneers at the time, and we were fighting every week 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: to be the worst team in the league with the 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: Minded Dolphin. I think we were over you know, over seven, 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: over eight by the time, you know, I ended up 39 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: getting traded to New England. And first day in the building, 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, I try to get there as early as possible, 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, I woke up super early for the pick up. 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: The car that's gonna pick me up, so I can 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, get in the building and get my playbook 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: and you know, start getting after it right away, because 45 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, Bill told me the day before, you know, 46 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: when I was in Jamble, He's like, look, we're you're 47 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: playing on Sunday, so you better be here tomorrow for practice. 48 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, cool, I just just 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: gonna stop living in Tampa and just moved to New 50 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: England right away. Fine, fine, okay, cool. So I did that, 51 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I try to get trying to 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: be in the building and as early as possible so 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: I could get you know, caught up at least to 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: be prepared for Wednesday, you know, to get through Wednesdays. 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: And the first person I see, Tom Brady, he welcomes 56 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: me to the Patriots. Hey can see us. You know, 57 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: it's good to have you on board. And now I'm 58 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: walking in the building at high chest stuff like I'm 59 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: a I'm a Patriot now, you know. So that was good. 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: But you know, right away I asked, um the decordinator, 61 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: Um patuh Matt Patricia excuse me. Uh. I was like, hey, 62 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: you know, I would like to get the playbook so 63 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: I can get going on the defensive terminology, you know, 64 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: the schemes and and him and Pat Graham was like, yeah, 65 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: see the thing is with that. He was like, look, 66 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: just just take these three pieces of paper. Three pieces 67 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: of paper. Now, I know we've all seen smoke. You've 68 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: been around YouTube. We've seen the old paper playbooks, not 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: the dimepads, but the paper playbooks. They're like five inches thick, 70 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's what I'm used to, 71 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: that much information, you know. And he gave me three 72 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: pieces of paper to get ready to play Peyton Manning 73 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: on Sunday and I was like so thrown off by it, um, 74 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: but it ended up working out. There was some terminology 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: that I didn't know. But you know, that's the Patriots, man, 76 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: you know. They don't want to give you too much, 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: you know. And it's like, look, they don't want to 78 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: overwhelm you as well. So I think they were doing 79 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: both myself and the organization and favor because they're like, 80 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe we don't know if caseis is really gonna work out, 81 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: so you know, we don't want to give too much. 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: And at the same time, it's like, well maybe he will, 83 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: He'll get over world. Did we give them too much? 84 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: You know, so I kind of saw it as that, 85 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: But it was interesting that they only gave me three 86 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: pages to get prepared to play the paying Men and 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: led Denver Broncos on Sunday. It was very interesting, wild experience, 88 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: as you just noted. Now, John, I'm curious then, as 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: the weeks progressed, when you look back at your experience 90 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: on New England's defense. Prior to arriving in New England, 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: you had worked with a lot of different defensive coordinators. 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: You had been exposed to a lot of defenses. I 93 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: believe what you had Greg Williams and Spags in New Orleans. 94 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: You had Bill Sheridan in Tampa Bay, so you know, 95 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: you had a variety of different schemes. How much different 96 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: was life in New England on defense versus what you 97 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: had previously experienced, just in terms of week to week 98 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: preparation and terminology, Well, it was very different. And Um, 99 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: they're really big. I mean everybody game plans, but they're 100 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: really big into manipulating their own defense. Uh every week, 101 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, to go against what the other offense has. Um, 102 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: and that's unlike anywhere I've been. You know, defensive coordinators 103 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: they have their own style of defense. You know, some 104 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: some defensive coordinators are like aggressive and they blitz a lot, 105 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: and you know, they carry that and then of course 106 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: they throw in their self scout and they throw in 107 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: their curveballs every now and again, you know, and that 108 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: goes to the same for you know, uh coaches that 109 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: you know are probably more zone zone playing coaches. You know, 110 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: they stick to that New England I don't. I mean, 111 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: Matt Patrician was a defensive coordinator, but you had so 112 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: much input from all the other coaches that ultimately Bill 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: Belichick was the micro manager of the entire team. And 114 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: usually when people say micro manager, it's not really like 115 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: in term of a term of endearment, you know, it's 116 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: more like your micro manager is too much for you 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: to handle. But Bill is such a great coach and 118 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: he's such a great mind that in micro manager, the 119 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: whole team is how the Patriots have success. And for 120 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: every week, just like offensively, you have a game plan, defensively, 121 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: the entire playbook is manipulated every week. So I think 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: that was kind of the reason that they didn't give 123 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: me the playbook the beginning, because every week it's different, 124 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: and every week they attack the offense differently every week. 125 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: And that's I mean, like I said, there's I've been SPACs. 126 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: You know, good defensive coordinator, I've been around you know, 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Greg Williams, you know where you know, they 128 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: have a game plan and then you manipulated a little bit. 129 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: They manipulate before they even like installed, like they're already 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: changing the whole entire defense before you even get to 131 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: the week, given the offense that you're playing. And for 132 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: anybody that knows football, that's that's a lot to ask, 133 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, for you know, a defense to basically have 134 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: a different identity every week. Um, but that's what the 135 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: Patriots are all about. It's not about what we do good. 136 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: As in the Patriots, it's not about what the Patriots 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: do good. It's about what the other team does well, 138 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: and let's stop them from doing what they do well 139 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: so we have a chance to win the game. You know, Jonathan, 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: I think that was the other part of the story 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: that I remember you said, well, why don't you just 142 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: give me what you guys did for install in training 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: camp and in the spring, and they kind of said 144 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: to you, well, that really doesn't apply anymore. What the 145 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: hell you're talking about? So if you can just talk 146 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: about some examples, how much can change week to week? 147 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Are we talking, you know, tendencies of blitzing, you know 148 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: who the top corner covers, who gets doubled? Are we 149 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: talking basics like three four man front? How you do 150 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: gap integrity? Like how deep do the changes actually go 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: week to week depending on the opponent? Well, and and 152 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: and that's a great question you ask, And I'm gonna 153 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: be honest with you. It varies so much from week 154 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: to week. You know, let's say we're going against a team, 155 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: you know who has shown that they struggled against the 156 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: five man front in the nose guard in front of 157 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: their center. You know, that was the front we're going 158 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: to play that week, you know, no matter what we 159 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: played the week before, because we know this team struggles 160 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: against a five man front. We're playing a five man front. 161 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing because that's what this team struggles with. Right. 162 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: And let's say there's another team right that has a 163 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: great receiver. Right, we're gonna roll to the receiver and 164 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: and back. Then in two thousand and fourteen, you gotta 165 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: listen to the cornerbacks we had, you know, Darrelle Revis 166 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Browner who was six four two. H uh, Logan Ryan, 167 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: Kyle Arrington. Oh, I'm I'm almost forgot. Malcolm Butler was 168 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: a was a rookie coming off the bench at this time. 169 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: But we were we were pretty loaded and stacked, and 170 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: that allowed a lot of verse activity for the defense. 171 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: So we would go in the game and we would 172 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: lock Rebus on the number two and if the number 173 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: one was really good, we would send Brandon Browner over 174 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: there to beat the receiver up and have McCardy over top. 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: And then you got Logan Ryan playing her number three 176 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: or Kyle Averton player number three. And there was a 177 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: lot of things that we would do, like I would 178 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: get in the game, the matchup on the back, you know, 179 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: there were certain things that you would do given the team. 180 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm saying there is like it don't 181 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: be like, you know, just carry over from week to week. 182 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: There's like no carry over. You know, if you're playing 183 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: a running team one week and then a passing team 184 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: the next week, your defensive Patriots difference probably gonna be 185 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: totally different. You know, the front might be different, the 186 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: guys on the team may be different. As in that 187 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: eleven to rotation or even fifteen that would be totally different. 188 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: They might have a you know, three or four new 189 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: dB starting this week, a couple of guys rotating in, 190 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: maybe a linebacker that hasn't played in three weeks. But 191 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, we need more linebackers because they're playing at 192 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: three or four this week instead of a four three. Like, 193 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: there's so many things that vary um and I think, 194 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, for you to have success in New England, 195 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: you gotta be versatile. You know, you gotta be able 196 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: to be uh, what's the Swiss Army Knights. You gotta 197 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: be a Swiss Army Knick. You gotta be able to 198 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: do multiple things and that had so much value to 199 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: you and a lot of players that go to New 200 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: England they can do so many different things for them 201 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: and that's what they have success. We're talking with former 202 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Giants linebacker Jonathan Cassius, who was in New England for 203 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: half of two thousand fourteen here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: So I guess the million dollar question now, Jonathan, that 205 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: at least Giants fans are asking based on what you 206 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: just described and experienced in terms of the structure and 207 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: fluidity of the New England defense. Well, how much is 208 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham now going to bring that style to the team. 209 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: And we look at Matt Patricia, who you were with, 210 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: he's now the head coach of the Lions. Brian Flores 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: who was on the staff, he's now in Miami. How 212 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: much do you think Patrick Graham is going to take 213 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: from the Bill Belichick coaching style versus twisted and turn 214 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: it into his own thing. I think he's gonna do both. 215 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think it would be um, you know, uh, 216 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: it really wouldn't make sense for him and and and 217 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: to not use what he's been taught by one of 218 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: the greatest coaches of our time in any sport. Um. 219 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: But then also you know, identifying who you have on 220 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: the roster, who you have, you know to work with, 221 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: and then putting your own identity on it. And you know, 222 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: I feel like Pat Graham, He's learned so much. And 223 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that has been so versatile. 224 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, he was a linebacker coach, a D line 225 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: coach at dB and the defensive coordinator and you know 226 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: it kind of been all over the place. But I 227 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: think that versatility is going to give him you know, um, 228 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: you know it has given him a lot of um, 229 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, education in different parts of the game, you know, 230 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: I think, and that's going to translate over to him 231 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: being a great defensive coordinator, you know, because it's not 232 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: just an excess and those, you know, it's it's identifying 233 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: with the players you've got in the back them, you know. 234 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: And a lot of great coaches sometimes don't be great people. 235 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: People are great player coaches, you know, not player friendly. 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: And I think that transition over the years, you know, 237 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: while when I got in the league in two thousand nine, 238 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, to what I finished in two thousand seventeen, 239 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: that has transitioned to being you know, if you're not 240 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: a player coach, you really can't survive with this new generation, 241 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: you know. So it's a little bigger than the exs 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: and those. It's about culture, you know, and having the 243 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: players trust him, believe in you. And I think Pat 244 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: Graham has risen to that to where he's been. He's 245 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: he's gotten the defensive coordinator job, and the people and 246 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: the players will believe in him because I feel like 247 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: he is a player, is a coach that believes in 248 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: the players, not the scheme, not that he makes all 249 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: the good ideas. But the guys that he put in 250 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: certain positions, you know, because of his education and everything 251 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: that he's learned, but also his study and his due 252 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: diligence on those guys that they will be put in 253 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: the right place to win. And that's what the Giants needed, 254 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: you know. I feel like over the last three or 255 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: four years, uh, the Giants have gotten rid of some 256 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: of their prime time defensive players, you know, whether that 257 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: due to culture, whether that's due to off the field issues, whatever, 258 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: whatever the deal is. You can't continue to do that. 259 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: You can't continue to get rid of your good players. 260 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Thinking the coaches are going to be the ones that 261 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: makes the big difference. When we all know the players 262 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: run the NFL. The players are the face of the league. 263 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: The players are the guys out there playing, you know, 264 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: so we gotta focus on the players. And when you 265 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: have a coach that has excess and those you know, 266 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: a genius and xs and those and can put players 267 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: in the right position to be successful, that's when you 268 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: have success. It's a combination of all those things. And 269 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: I feel like now the Giants are finally taking a 270 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: step in the right direction. Johnny, I think you hit 271 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: on the head. You know the old expression it's about 272 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: the Jimmy's and Joe is not the X and and 273 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: I think think right, And that's something Joe Judge's stress 274 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: that you have to build what you do around the 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: talent on your roster. And one thing that Blake Martinez 276 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: said to us, you know, he was coached by Patrick 277 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: Graham in Green Bay, the one year E coach linebackers there, 278 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: he said he never felt so prepared for an opponent 279 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: each week. Then when Graham got him ready for those opponents. 280 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: What was it about you think when you were with 281 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: him in New England that he talked to you guys 282 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: about and got you ready each week. That really helped you, guys, 283 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: once the ball was snapped on the field, so you 284 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: were prepared for everything that specific opponent was going to 285 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: try to throw at you. Well, he really cares about 286 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: his job, you know, he really cares about the game, 287 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, And and he studies, and you know he 288 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: wants everybody in the room to be just acknowledgeable, just 289 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: as knowledgeable as he is. And I saw that when 290 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: I was there, And of course he's not getting the playbook. 291 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: The first week was nerve racking for me. You know, 292 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: especially when Bill was like, You're gonna play defense, and 293 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, how do I play defense? And I only 294 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: know three calls? Like but but Pat Graham, he like 295 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: when I was there, he gave me extra time. You know, 296 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: he would stay after for me and you know, kind 297 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: of talk me through certain things, and you know, I 298 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: would stay after practice and with the younger guys, you know, 299 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: the younger guys would be there at the practice and 300 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't really that young at the time, you know 301 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: that we were talking about rookies and second gear guys, 302 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: and I stayed after and Pat Graham would walk me 303 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: through certain scenes and made sure that I was ready. 304 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't gonna throw me out there, you 305 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: know if I wasn't ready and prepared, and I would. 306 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: I'm the same way, and you know, I feel like 307 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: bringing that attitude to New York, you know, and with 308 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: this generation, I think it's perfect, you know, because at 309 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: the end of the day, preparation is everything, you know, 310 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: And and from my time, my little time that I 311 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: was in New England, I felt the Wan did a 312 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: great job, probably the best in the league, at preparing 313 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: their guys every week. And you know, the talent sometimes 314 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: didn't add up to the amount of winds that they 315 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: had at the end of the year. But that's why 316 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: the franchise were so strong for so long, you know. 317 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that you know, Joe Judge and Pat Graham, 318 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, all of the things that they've learned from 319 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: from Bill Belichick that they can bring it over to 320 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: New York. And this is the new coaching tree. You know. 321 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: The old coaching tree was was Bill Parcels and all 322 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: of the guys that followed underneath him Belicheck, right, yeah, yes, 323 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Bill washing And I'm talking about the Direct Parcels delineas 324 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, the Coughlins and the Shawan Payton's and all 325 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: of those guys who've had tremendous success, you know, in 326 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: their own rights and one Super Bowls in their own right. 327 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: This is the new you know, uh coaching tree from 328 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. And I'm hoping we got one of the 329 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: guys that's gonna be the new Bill Belichick, be the 330 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: new Sean Payton and Joe Judge, um, And like, I'm 331 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: excited about it. I was excited about the higher I 332 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: know nobody knew, but I'm like, I know, Joe Judge 333 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: that I was ex tited. You know, nobody's hell who 334 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: Joe d It was the prize for me. But at 335 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the same time, when you go back and you sit 336 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: down and think about the candidates and you look and 337 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: it's like, all right, we're gonna give somebody with the 338 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: potential to be, you know, basically the next Bill Belichick, 339 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: and you know, for for and if its potential, and 340 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: everything's done on potential. Usually, you know, you go off 341 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: what people have done, and sometimes they don't do as 342 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: much as the next person, So you go off potential, 343 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: you know. And and I'm hopeful that we do have 344 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: the next Bill Belichick. I'm hopeful. I'm not saying he is, 345 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: but I'm hopeful. And um, it'll be good for the 346 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: New Jersey and New York area, that's for sure. Well, 347 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: you just brought up Joe Judge and you absolutely got 348 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: to know him. As you mentioned Jonathan. In two thousand fourteen, 349 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: Scott O'Brien was the Special Teams coach, so at that point, 350 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: Joe Judge was the Special team's assistant. What was the 351 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: extent of your interaction with Joe Judge as the assistant 352 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: Special Teams coach and what did you see in him, Jonathan, 353 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: Perhaps when you heard he became the Giants head coach, 354 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: he said to yourself, Yeah, you know what, I think 355 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: this guy had the material to now make the transition. 356 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: You know. At first, you know, when I met Joe, Uh, 357 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: he like, like you said, he was the special team 358 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: just sisted and Scotty Yo was the we call it 359 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Scotty Yo. He's the special teams coordinator. So he's doing 360 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: more of like the logistics and the big picture, you know. Uh. 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: And and then Joe would take it and break it 362 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: down from me, like the small picture to details, and 363 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, like hey, he already knew exactly like the 364 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: stuff I've been doing on special teams, Like he knew everything. 365 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I saw that one game when you 366 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: played a little bit of defense, but then you were 367 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: playing on three three cords and you had a great 368 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: play on And I'm like, dang, Like they these dudes 369 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: know who I am. Like not just like a guy 370 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: that's you know, a good team, but like they know 371 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: that Week four against Philly, you know whatever, I had 372 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: like three tackles on special teams. Like they know all 373 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: of this information. They're uber prepared. Um and Joe Judge, 374 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, being John when you're low on the totem pole. 375 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you're not a coordinator, you're an assistant coach. 376 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: The responsibilities and the amount of studying you have to do, 377 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: I think is a lot more, and especially when you're 378 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: special teams because you have to understand both offense and 379 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: defense and special teams. You know, you have to be 380 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: well aware of the things of timing on the sideline 381 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: during games of certain UH practice times where Special Teams 382 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: has done UH, the amount of reps that offensive and 383 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: defensive players that you have on your three corps are getting, 384 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, the rest that they're getting. You have to 385 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: be mindful. So a special teams coordinator, especially an assistant 386 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: Special teams quarter you know they're going and they know 387 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: they know the entire roster. You know, from from from 388 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback to the holder. You know, he knows the 389 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: entire roster. And Joe Judge, you know, me and him 390 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: had some personal conversations because I'm not a guy that's 391 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: gonna sit down and be like I'm just gonna go 392 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: out there like I want to learn as much as 393 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I can and I want to do and be prepared 394 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: as much as I can. So when Scott, Joe was 395 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: busy talking to Slater and you know, and Browner and uh, 396 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm seeing me Bolden and you know all of those 397 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: special teams guys. I'm over here asking Joe Judge like, hey, Joe, 398 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about this scheme and 399 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: me doing this on that? And he would break it 400 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: down from me. So he was a guy that played 401 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: his role, uh, you know, better than any role player 402 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: that you know that could possibly be a role player, uh, 403 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: to the point where you know, he wasn't even like 404 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: that guy on the Patriots, but he did his job 405 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: so well. Johnny did his job so well that now 406 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: he's the head football coach of the New York Giant. 407 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: Like he wasn't the guy. He was never the guy, 408 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: you know. He was always you know, the second guy 409 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: or the third guy as in the special teams coordinators, 410 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, and and he wasn't the special teams coordinator 411 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: for that long. But he did such a good job. 412 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: He was impressed. He impressed so many people that you know, 413 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: he ended up getting his job. And I think that 414 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: he has a lot to prove, just like anybody. And 415 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be tough. This is freaking New 416 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: York saying it sain't no walk in the park. You 417 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean Like this is it's gonna be 418 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: very very tough, very difficult. The media is gonna get 419 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: after him. But I feel like how he came out 420 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: and addressed the media the first day, you know, kind 421 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: of laying the law down as the judge. You know, 422 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: I think he's in. He's uh, he took the right 423 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: step forward. And now we're gonna see how things play out. 424 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: And you know, we want to get the right people 425 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: in the building. We want to see, you know, the 426 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: right things being done off the field as well as 427 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: on the field, you know, because it's a long time coming. 428 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: Uh John, You know, my the two thousand sixteing season 429 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: when we went to the playoffs and we lost the 430 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: Greek Bay. You know, if you take that season away, 431 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: the Giants have not been good and and and and 432 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: I got I just got goose bumps talking about that, 433 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a Jersey boy through and you know, 434 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: and and you know, basically after you know, the Super 435 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Bowl in two thousand and ten and eleven, you know, 436 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: the Giants really had one good season when I was there, 437 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: that's it. And and think about all and talent, all 438 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: the good running backs, you know, the Bradshaws, the Barkley's. 439 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: You know, we had a you know, a prime time 440 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: elite quarterback for seventeen years. Um, you know, like how 441 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: how how have how has the Giants been so bad? 442 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: So like I'm hopeful, you know, I know a lot 443 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: of guys are hopeful, John at Lance, I know y'all 444 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: are hopeful, you know, so you know, less less all 445 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: keep putting that positive energy out there. And let's see 446 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: how Joe, Judge, Pat Graham and everybody does, and and 447 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: Shuck and Jason Garrett too. But how saying that name? 448 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: Last one for me? On on Judge Jonathan, what's the 449 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: biggest challenge you think for him? Uh? This year? We 450 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: know you have this unique offseason. Guys who doing everything 451 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: virtually you know as a player, you know, and you 452 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: know he you mentioned the difference between being assistant and 453 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: being a head coach. You're dealing with almost completely different 454 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: things in terms of managing logistics versus you know, really 455 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: player on player x is and old stuff. What's gonna 456 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: be the biggest challenge for you? Big picture wise for 457 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: Joe Judge in his first year making that transition in 458 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: this unique environment. I think, uh, because being the head coach, 459 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of can do and and and 460 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: you kind of have as much power, um, you know, 461 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, you're giving this power, do 462 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: you do you do you use it all? Or do 463 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: you delegate it out? You know, do you delegate this power, 464 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: this voice that you have, this influence that you have. 465 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: You know, you can even take that and dominate, you know, 466 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: be the micro manager Bill Belichick was. Or see yourself 467 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: for the person you truly are. You know, if you're 468 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: a role player, then excel in that role and then eventually, 469 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: of course, you know, you can grow. And I feel 470 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: like Joe Judge right now, he's not the head coach 471 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: that he can possibly be. No one is who they 472 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: possibly can be, who they possibly can be when they 473 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: first start out. So you let guys like Patrick Graham 474 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: and Jason Garrett, guys who have been there. I mean, 475 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: you know, he was a head coach of cowboys, you know, 476 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: and you allow them to do their jobs, you know, 477 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: and you learn from them. You know, you picked their brains. 478 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: You call Matt Patricia over in Detroit and see what's 479 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: going on with him and Brian Flores, and you stay 480 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: on that call every week with Bill Belichick. You do 481 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: these things, and you keep bringing up who you are 482 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: as a player, excuse me, as a coach, as a man, 483 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: you know, as somebody who carries an organization with and 484 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: behind him, you know, a whole band of brothers and 485 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: men behind you. You know that as a leader, you 486 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: gotta keep improving and not try to dominate or you know, 487 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: have your power over the team. You know, on a 488 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: consistent basis, Delegate the power. Delegate the you know, the 489 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: coaching responsibilities to guys who have been there before, you know. 490 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: And I feel like for Joe Judge to do a 491 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: great job, it has to be a collective unit from 492 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: all of the coaches, and the power in the in 493 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: the responsibility has to be dispersed the right way. And 494 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: I think the reason why I hired the guys he 495 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: hired is because he's going to do that. So that's 496 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: why I'm excited, because I feel like he's not gonna 497 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: try to overpower the giants, but like, this is how 498 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: I am, you know, this is me do it this way. 499 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be, you know, very empathetic about 500 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: listening to his players, listening to the coaches, and allowing 501 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 1: them to do what they do best for the Giants US. 502 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: You just laid out the transition, Jonathan, that Joe Judge 503 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: is going to have to make, and on top of that, 504 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: he also has to navigate uncharted territory, as you well know, 505 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: in terms of what's going on in the country with 506 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: respect to this offseason and the global pandemic. I'm curious 507 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: your perspective because you were with the Saints in two 508 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: thousand eleven. That was the lockout year, and if memory 509 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: serves me correct, you didn't have a lot of turnover. 510 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: The coaching staff of the Sean Paydon pretty much remained 511 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: intact with your coordinators the core of the team. So 512 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: I would think that probably aided you, guys, given the 513 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: fact that you had a shortened training camp. But the 514 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: Giants don't have that luxury, as you will know, Jonathan, 515 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: completely new coaching staff, a lot of new young players. 516 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: As you noted, how much of a disadvantage is that 517 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: for Joe Judge and the rest of this team compared 518 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: to what you experienced in two thousand eleven with the Saints. Well, 519 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: I mean you could see it at a disadvantage, you know, 520 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: but also an opportunity you know too. You know, everybody 521 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: hasn't been together. You know, this is UM you know 522 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: off season that has been like any other um you know, 523 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: because even back then, you know, when they canceled you know, 524 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: off season activities and you know they pushed back training camp. 525 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: You know, we were still allowed to gather, you know, 526 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: with the with the group, you know, with all the 527 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: social media guide or social media social distancing guidelines, you know, 528 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: restricting people from actually being together. It puts everybody in 529 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: the league UM in a you know, and I guess 530 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: in the same type of you know situation to where 531 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: nobody has been together, you know. And like I said, 532 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: back in UM two thousand and ten going into eleven, 533 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, uh, that was the year where the New 534 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: Orleans Saints we practiced at two Lane and it was 535 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: led by Breeze and Gilma, but we were all together, 536 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: you know. But no one is together in the entire league. 537 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, no one was able to get together with 538 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: all the guys and do what they're supposed to do. 539 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: And if they did, I mean, it probably wasn't as normal. 540 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: Like uh you know, uh um Eli would take guys 541 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: down the duke and do this thing, you know, but 542 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: like that wasn't able to happen. Like there's a lot 543 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: of things that wasn't able to happen. So it's almost like, 544 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a it's a disadvantage for everybody. 545 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: So that puts an advantage back into Joe Judges and 546 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: the Giants court because it's a disadvantage for everybody, you know, 547 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: having you know, a new coaching staff, it's always a 548 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: time and um you know place where it's gonna be 549 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: some you know, some some some tough some tough times, 550 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: you know, and some transitions to happen, and you know, 551 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: culture being established. But you know, now that we we 552 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: all had to go through the COVID pandemic situation, I 553 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: feel like everybody has to make up ground, you know, 554 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: And I think it kind of levels the playing field 555 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more more. I think it could be 556 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: advantageous for the Giants because it's like everybody's starting at 557 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: the same time, and you know, we're back, the Giants 558 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: and the Jets, they were back a little bit earlier 559 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: than everybody else, if I'm not mistaken, you know, So 560 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,959 Speaker 1: I believe that they were still doing um, you know, 561 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: virtual things to stay in contact with the guys, you know. 562 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: But now we're gonna see, you know what, what everybody's 563 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: been doing. We're gonna see you know, the approach to 564 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: how we're gonna you know, start this season because this 565 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: is something that no one has been a part of. 566 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: UM And like I said, it's a disadvantage for everybody, 567 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: and that might have been an advantage for the Giants 568 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: because of that. Jonathan final question, I want to go 569 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: back to the defense for just a second, and we 570 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: really appreciate all the time. This is just tremendous insight. 571 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: We it's great, thank you. Um. How tough is it 572 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: going to be for a defense that's as young as 573 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: the Giants defense is, especially in the defensive backfield they 574 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: have James Bardbery otherwise a bunch of guys that are 575 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: in their first, second, third seasons. To have a defense 576 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: that changes so much week to week, is that gonna 577 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: be a real challenge for the coaching staff to have 578 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: those guys ready. Of the coaching staff and they have 579 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: to pull back a little bit based on the youth 580 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: and the defense, how do you think that's gonna work? 581 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: I think you gotta seal out and see what type 582 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: of guys that you have, you know, and see what 583 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: they're capable of handling, you know, because you don't want 584 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: to put um, you know, young guys out there, um 585 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: that can't handle what you're doing, you know, so you 586 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: might have to keep it simple, you know. They say 587 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: keep it simple, stupid, you know, just just so you 588 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: don't have, you know, guys out there looking confused. And 589 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: when I watched the Giants last year, I feel like 590 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: that's what I saw. And then you would listen to 591 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: the younger guys interviews and they always said the same thing. 592 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we're just jelling together. We're all just 593 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, figure out where everybody belongs. That 594 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, bro, it's week can what do you 595 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: what do you mean? It's we tend Bro, it's not 596 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: training camp. Um, you know. So you know, I feel like, look, 597 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you got a whole bunch of guys 598 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: you know who uh, you know, struggle with learning multiple coverages, 599 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: then keep it simple, you know, like let's not try 600 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: to confuse the other team, but in the process with 601 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 1: confusing our guys, you know. And I felt like there 602 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of confusion um throughout the Giants defense 603 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: last year, and it was kind of hard to watch, 604 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, and that there's no easy answer to that. 605 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: You know, It's like, is it the coaches, the scheme, 606 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: is that the guys, the players, it's all it's a combination. 607 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's a combination of all of those things. 608 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: And you know, everybody has to be on the same page, 609 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: and you have to learn every week. You know, we're 610 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: gonna go we're gonna make mistakes. And I say we 611 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: as an every single person in the world, you're gonna 612 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: make a mistake, you know, and anything that they do, 613 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: especially if you're just starting out. You know, so I 614 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: think what the Giants should do and just keep it 615 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: simple early, you know, do what they do, what they do, 616 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: but keep it simple early. Don't add in thirty seven. 617 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: Blitz is on Thursday, because that's what you've been doing 618 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: for the last ten years. You know, maybe adding the 619 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: couple and then maybe next week adding the couple. Don't 620 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: over whelm your guys because when you overwhelm you guys 621 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: and you got you know, guys like uh Baker, DeAndre Baker, 622 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: who was tremendous in college. But all of a sudden, 623 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: he gets in the league and he can't play, like, 624 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: he can't play to the level that he was playing at. 625 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: I think because he was thinking too much. I think 626 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: because he was you know, he wasn't confident about what 627 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: he was doing out there, you know. And and I 628 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: think you've seen that a lot throughout the entire defense. 629 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: And you know, look, I'm not a decordinator. I just know, guys. 630 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, I've been a guy who struggled at times 631 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: with teams, and then later on in my career, you know, 632 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: I was able to pick up defenses like it wasn't 633 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: nothing because I was able to do that, and I 634 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: had to learn to do that, you know. But everybody 635 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: is different. You have to be able to identify who 636 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: you have, you know, and teach them accordingly, you know, 637 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: and then have everybody in the same page. So keep 638 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: it simple, stupid early, you know, it didn't build on it, 639 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: you know, and then let your young players have success 640 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: because they know what they're doing. You know. I feel 641 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: like that didn't happen with the Giants last year. A 642 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of guys, you know, week ten and week eleven, 643 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, you know, we're just you know, getting 644 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: to know each other. You know, we're starting to jail 645 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: and I'm just laughing, like starting to jail, like y'all 646 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: pass y'all bye week, like you know, like like it's November, 647 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: Like what are we talking about here? But so that 648 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: that's not always on the players. You know, that's a 649 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: collective effort. You know, if they're they're giving you too 650 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: much work. You know, they're giving you, you know, advanced algebra, 651 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, and in calculus, and you know you're on 652 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: addition in subtraction. Like there's gonna be some problem, some 653 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: problems there, to say the least. So you know, I 654 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: think it's a it's not an easy solved, it's not 655 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: an easy fix, but there is an approach that I 656 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: feel like you should take to it, and I hope 657 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: they do because it's a it's not gonna be easy. 658 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: But I think the Giants deserve some some winning, some 659 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: winning seasons, uh, you know coming it's been a long 660 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: time coming for that. It and Jonathan speaking of the 661 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: dynamics of the defense and once again greatly appreciate the 662 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: time and insight today. As John noted before we let 663 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: you go, I'm looking at the Patriots sack distribution from 664 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen when you were on the team, and 665 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people look at the Giants pass rush 666 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: potential this season and they say, well, there's only one 667 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: guy that's had a double digit sack season on the team, 668 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: and that's Kyler Fackrol the one year he was with 669 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: Patrick Graham and Green Bay. The year you were with 670 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: New England, you had six or seven guys that chipped 671 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: in in the sack department and nobody actually reached double digits. 672 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Rob Nickovinch was the highest with eight, and Chandler Jones 673 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: that season had six because he was limited to ten games. 674 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: When you think back to two thousand fourteen, what do 675 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: you attribute Why was it that you still managed to 676 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: get forty sacks as a group, and how Patrick Graham 677 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: may need to rely on that philosophy this year as 678 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: opposed to one guy in particular doing the heavy lifting. Well, 679 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: it's a collective effort. You know, when the guys in 680 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: the back end of covering and the quarterback is holding 681 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: the ball for extra second or too on a consistent basis, 682 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: you know that allows for your four men rush to 683 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: get there. That allows for your extra blitzer to get 684 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: there and take away that, you know, that hot route 685 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: pass from you know, the quarterback um that they do 686 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: when they see Blitz is you know, it's a collective effort, 687 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: you know. I think unless you have uh, you know, 688 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: I just talked to JDP two days ago. He said 689 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna break Michael Strahan's record. That's what JPP told me. 690 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: So if he did put it out there yet, I'm 691 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: putting told me that. But like you know, we don't 692 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: have a JPP at least stat wise, you know what 693 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: I mean. I'm not saying that there's not a guy 694 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: that can go out there and do what JPP did. Well. 695 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: I don't think that can happen because he's a freaking nature. 696 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: But you know, you gotta have a it's a collective effort. 697 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: You know. If if you have a guy who can 698 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: come out of nowhere, you know, and have a great 699 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: season like so many guys have done, uh, you know, 700 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: and have a breakout, tremendous fifteen plus SAX season, that 701 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: would be great. But don't get it twisted. It's not 702 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: a one man reckon show. When that happens, it's DBS 703 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: covering for a little longer. It's the linebackers getting snugging 704 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: up on those checkdowns. It's whoever is actually blitzing free 705 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: blitzing with no wasted steps, you know, like it's a 706 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,479 Speaker 1: collective effort. And for the giants to get to where 707 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,240 Speaker 1: they want to get to, to be able to pressure 708 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that they want to, the dbs have to cover, 709 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, the linebackers have to get the call out 710 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: and get everybody lined up and cover and do their 711 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: things they're supposed to do. And then also the front 712 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: need to be shared and y'all need to be running 713 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: the right defenses to put you in the right position 714 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: to have success. So there's so many different things that 715 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: go into it. But short that my short answer, even 716 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: I just did a long answer. You have to be 717 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: a collective effort. You know, there's not gonna be a 718 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: guy that has twenty sacks and that the um the 719 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: dbs aren't worth a damn. It's just not gonna happen. 720 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: You know, it's a collective effort. Um von Miller has 721 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: had so many sacks, but you can't say they didn't 722 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: have tremendous cornerbacks and defensive backs. It's the entire tenure there, 723 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, so it's like, yes he's gonna have sacks, 724 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: and yes they're gonna have you know, good defenders in 725 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: the back end. But they help each other. You know. 726 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Once you get those pressures out and you get those tips, 727 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: and you get those you know, hits on the quarterback, 728 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the ball comes out. The ball 729 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: is a little bit higher than it's supposed to be 730 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: coming out, a little bit quicker than it's supposed to be. 731 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: Those those p bus interceptions, fumble recoveries, like all those 732 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: things out up. And it doesn't just start with a 733 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: pass rush, you know, it does people say they started 734 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,479 Speaker 1: to pass rush. It doesn't just start with the pass 735 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: us because I don't care how good the pass tho 736 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: she is. If the cover, if the defensive back can cover, 737 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: it don't matter. If they're not if securing uh you know, 738 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: getting that ball out under uh see me, if they're 739 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: not holding the ball for longer than three seconds, it 740 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: don't matter, you know. So it's a collective effort. Uh. 741 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: You know, I think the Giants, um, you know, are 742 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: positioning themselves to be a good team. You know, but 743 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna see you know, I'm very excited about you know, 744 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: who's on the roster and who they brought in. Um, 745 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: I think Marcus Golden is tremendous um, you know, So 746 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: we'll we'll see. Man. You know, I'm excited. I'm excited 747 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: that football is gonna be back. It's gonna be weird. 748 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: What do you guys think is gonna happen with the 749 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: with the with fans? Like, what's gonna happen with that? Boy? Yeah, 750 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Man. Look, they're gonna try because 751 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 1: obviously I can't imagine how weird it's gonna be watching 752 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: a football game and it's just silence except for guys talking. 753 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: It's just weird. They're gonna try to do fans. But look, Johnathan, 754 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: here's the deal. And look, you know this that you 755 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: have to earn the side of safety and you gotta 756 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: be careful. So hopefully it works out. But I don't 757 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: think there's any way to know. Yeah, yeah, Unfortunately, I 758 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: think all of us are living day today right now. 759 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: Right we kind of gotta figure out as we go along. Jonathan, 760 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: it says fluid is the Patriots defense every week. I 761 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: think that would be the best parallel. It's a big question. Mark. 762 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: Just take you three pieces of paper. And that's how 763 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: you go. That's what you gonna go about your anyway, John, 764 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: the good stuff that you have a message or anything 765 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: you want to promote, anything you want to say to 766 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 1: giant fans out there to listen to this, the floor 767 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: is yours. Well, you know. For number one, you know, 768 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: with everything going on, you know, I want to say, uh, 769 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: black lives matter, you know, and when people hear that, 770 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: don't get offended by it. And if you are getting 771 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: offended about it, do your research. Understand why it's being said. 772 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, understand that they're you know, things that are 773 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: going on in this country that aren't right, you know. 774 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: And it's not always just a color thing, you know. 775 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: It's like a love and hate thing and compassionate and 776 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: empty thing. You know. If you don't have love in 777 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: your heart for everybody, then that's something wrong, you know. 778 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: And and you know it's hard and it's difficult for me, 779 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: but I know it's even worse for other people. Imagine 780 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: George Floyd family, you know, and all of you know, 781 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: Mark Aubrey and all of the people that have you know, 782 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: love when taken from them from an unfortunate uh situation. 783 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: But too many of these things have happened, and we 784 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: we can't stand by and allow these things to continue 785 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: to happen. So educate yourselves, um, you know, do right, 786 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: Promote love, promote unity, have compassion, have empathy, you know, 787 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: be an open book, you know. And protect your brother. 788 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, your brother might not look the same as you. 789 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: You know. But we're all in this together. You know. 790 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: We all came together for COVID, right, John, We all 791 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: came together during the pandemic and said, we gotta do 792 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: it together, you know. But this thing has been going 793 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: on for so long, and now that people our eyes 794 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: are open and their hearts are open. Now let's understand, 795 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: just like we did the COVID, we gotta do this 796 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: together too, you know. And um that's my say on that. 797 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: Um my four Progress Camp. Uh, we've been doing some 798 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: digital virtual courses, uh with like a summit. We've been 799 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: doing like a leadership summit. We've been doing every every 800 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: Thursday for the last few weeks. Uh. So I'm posting 801 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: that on my website for progress camp dot com. Follow 802 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: me on Insta, Graham Jade on the score fifty two. Um, 803 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, shoot me a message. I'm always here at 804 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: John and Lynce, thanks for having me on much appreciate 805 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: a good talking to you guys, have been a long time. Hey, Jonathan, 806 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: god bless man. Great message. We echo it, um and 807 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: that's uh. Let's try to do this more regularly. Man, 808 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: this was fantastic. Let's talk to him. Yeah, I really 809 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Jonathan, thanks so much, up anytime, my man. 810 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: Thanks Jonathan, be good, stay safe, Yeah, take care. John's 811 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: then the best of the family. That's Jonathan can see us. 812 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: That wasn't lying, folks. Great interview, great guy, and he 813 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: really was one of my favorites in the locker room 814 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: over the past decade plus talking to Giants players. Really smart, thoughtful, 815 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: intelligent guy. We thank him for being with us, and 816 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: we thank Lance Meadow as well for helping out with 817 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: that interview that you originally heard on Big Blue Kickoff. 818 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: And of course, before we say goodbye, I want to 819 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: remind you that you can find us on all your 820 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,800 Speaker 1: favorite podcast platforms, the Giants Mobile app and on Giants 821 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: dot Com Slash podcast. You can find all the offerings 822 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: on our Giants podcast network, including the Giants Huddle, Giants 823 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: We Want with Caral Banks, and Big Blue Kickoff Live. 824 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: Our Daily Calling show which is Interview originally aired on 825 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: which is every day at noon for Lands and Jonathan. 826 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilch. Stay safe, everybody, have a great day.