Speaker 1: Hm. This is a Wells Cast with Wells, Adams and
Speaker 1: I heart radio podcast. Oh my god, Okay, god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Okay. This is like my first time I
Speaker 1: was in a podcast about myself. I normally hosted with
Speaker 1: a J and Renee from Pretty Messed Up. But hey guys,
Speaker 1: my name is Cheryl Burke and I'm here hosting this
Speaker 1: week's The Hills Cast, filling in for Wells because he's
Speaker 1: currently I guess at an undisclosed location working on a
Speaker 1: TV project. Um, so we'll be discussing all things the
Speaker 1: Hills and Cista Key and I am so excited because
Speaker 1: one of our guests today is a really good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. Caroline Dia Moore is back and I just
Speaker 1: cannot believe I haven't seen you since my wedding in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. It's been like over two years, and
Speaker 1: your whole life has changed since then. So Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: I know it's been so crazy, and I'm so just
Speaker 1: like I miss you. I reach out to you THEO
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I get you do and happy belated birthday.
Speaker 1: I'm such a bad friend. Thank you. You are terrible,
Speaker 1: you know, I really am. Ever since you know this
Speaker 1: new married life thing has really just swept me off
Speaker 1: my feet. So I can't believe you're a reality star.
Speaker 1: I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on a TV show with some really amazing people, um,
Speaker 1: and I'm navigating these these waters somehow and how is it?
Speaker 1: So are you friends with these people or is it
Speaker 1: like a forced type thing? So some of the people
Speaker 1: I am actually genuine friends with, um and some people
Speaker 1: I just don't like align totally by the way, I know,
Speaker 1: I've watched, like I just did a binge watch of
Speaker 1: the season, and definitely Carolin, I was like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: I have friends, but no, it's so true. It's like
Speaker 1: I even asked that of like of MTV and of people,
Speaker 1: like how do I fit in? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But you know what do you fit in? Though? Kate,
Speaker 1: ln Um, Ashley and Jason like all like just super authentic,
Speaker 1: real genuine people like you. Yeah, and they and and
Speaker 1: they're just people that I I think are really fabulous
Speaker 1: and have amazing, you know, genuine stories to tell and
Speaker 1: absolutely so do you by the way, Like I can't
Speaker 1: believe you're single, Like I actually still haven't talk to
Speaker 1: you about your divorce or about like you being newly single.
Speaker 1: How is that was that weird during the pandemic or
Speaker 1: how weird that we swapped lives like when we were
Speaker 1: hanging out the time you're only married? Yeah, I know, Um,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's been really obviously trying, but I
Speaker 1: know that has been the case for everybody through COVID,
Speaker 1: but at a divorce on top of it all was
Speaker 1: really intense. You know, it was really intense. And we've
Speaker 1: gotten through all the rough patches, which so far, which
Speaker 1: is really great. Um, and and I started all over
Speaker 1: from scratch in every way possible, and um, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just really grateful that I was able to maintain a
Speaker 1: really good relationship with my ex. Um, we're actually like
Speaker 1: super close. That's amazing. Yeah, So you know what a
Speaker 1: little Bella, Yeah, my little Bella. She's just the sweetest.
Speaker 1: So this is your new place, right, Like, so you
Speaker 1: started from like scratch scratch, and so how is it?
Speaker 1: How was it like adjusting? And just like obviously you've
Speaker 1: been working your ass off with Pizza Girl and just
Speaker 1: like everything about it, right, And I just love you
Speaker 1: so much for your hustle and I admire that and
Speaker 1: like you're always dropping something off at my house and
Speaker 1: I'm loving every single second of it. At least send more.
Speaker 1: Of course, so was this kind of like a segue,
Speaker 1: I guess into you needed to promote it, and you're like,
Speaker 1: why not, why not take this opportunity to be a
Speaker 1: part of you know, the Hills, you know how we
Speaker 1: all have our side stuff right happening, so absolutely listen.
Speaker 1: I looked at it like, okay, um, I'm a businesswoman,
Speaker 1: um first and foremost. And that's why when you said
Speaker 1: reality star, I was like, oh my god, I can't
Speaker 1: even ahead of that's business woman though, that's right, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was actually just watching um I'm forgetting her
Speaker 1: name right now, but the woman who created spanks, I
Speaker 1: was watching her master laughs. And yeah, she even said
Speaker 1: in it. She was like, you have a chance to
Speaker 1: be on a TV show, Go do it. Do it?
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, so you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this and um he listened. I knew a
Speaker 1: lot of the people, so I thought it would be
Speaker 1: a lot easier than it ended up being. Um, and
Speaker 1: I was really grateful, But MTV really cared about the
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial side of my life. I was scared at first
Speaker 1: that it was going to be just about drama and
Speaker 1: just about that. But they really want to show um,
Speaker 1: a woman who is starting from nothing and starting from
Speaker 1: scratch and really doing super right, and that something that
Speaker 1: I was really grateful for and I really like, I
Speaker 1: really think, um, you know m MTV and evolution for
Speaker 1: like caring about that. I love how they're like easing
Speaker 1: you into it. You know, they're not like forcing you
Speaker 1: into the cast. They showed you in the beginning and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I would like a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And then like the last episode, so let's just talk
Speaker 1: just getting down and dirty because I'm finding out new
Speaker 1: things about my friend and I just need to hear
Speaker 1: it from your mouth, what's going on with you and Caitlin,
Speaker 1: Like was that a real thing or was that scripted?
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, like and everybody knows it, Like
Speaker 1: in reality television, you are. Your feelings and your emotions
Speaker 1: are real, and sometimes you have to repeat things and
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you have to be put in a
Speaker 1: situation where um, you know. But but for the most
Speaker 1: part of it, all is real and it's exaggeral it maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's real. Yeah, but yeah, but it's so real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I listen, like I
Speaker 1: think you've known that I've had in a like and
Speaker 1: I could go either way. I mean like you knew
Speaker 1: me back at my party days and I yeah, like
Speaker 1: totally I think. But then I was just like on
Speaker 1: you a couple of times in my life. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be the one to say it, and I
Speaker 1: was gonna that was my next question, like weren't you
Speaker 1: in love with me? Caroline? But I was getting little
Speaker 1: jealous for a second there. But yeah, but like you know,
Speaker 1: I've been sober for two years, so this is like different,
Speaker 1: So go ahead, yeah, finish. Yeah, no, I fully get it.
Speaker 1: I know it's true like I've always, um, I've always
Speaker 1: been like a fluid thinking human and I use that
Speaker 1: word because it just makes sense to me, like I
Speaker 1: just can kind of like it's about energy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it really is for me, and um,
Speaker 1: I have ended up with men more often obviously, because
Speaker 1: I do feel like a lot of it was societal
Speaker 1: pressure and you know, just being told that you've uh
Speaker 1: me it or you are accepted if you are married
Speaker 1: with children to a man, you know, growing on your family,
Speaker 1: what did they think I have you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to my dad since that. Eric, Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know what is what that is going to
Speaker 1: how that's yeah, I'm a little I just kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to be authentic and be myself and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't know really what was it awkward with
Speaker 1: you and Caitlin or actually no, we are so it
Speaker 1: got awkward obviously, like for a minute. But she's such
Speaker 1: a good human being and like we had so many
Speaker 1: off camera nights together, like moments together that we just
Speaker 1: like kind of went through it and um ended up.
Speaker 1: And she's right, you know, and she had done the
Speaker 1: same thing, like when she got out of her relationship,
Speaker 1: she immediately you know, fell in love with like a
Speaker 1: friend who was a female who also had certain feelings,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you you kind of
Speaker 1: just like sorry, I shouldn't be speaking for somebody else,
Speaker 1: but I just she's related to me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, in a lot of ways, and it makes
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable, your bonded. It's like a real deep friendship.
Speaker 1: And um, she's obviously beautiful and like so hilarious and
Speaker 1: just makes me laugh, and um, I think it's it
Speaker 1: was just more about a genuine friendship and connection than anything. Um.
Speaker 1: And actually I she just announced you know her, So
Speaker 1: I'm confused because like, was that was she pregnant during
Speaker 1: the show when so nobody knew? Nobody you didn't even know.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know. No, I find out on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but like, did you know she was into somebody? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's an interesting Um yeah I did, because I
Speaker 1: actually was one of the I actually introduced them, was
Speaker 1: that after she was like sorry, you know yeah, basically, Um,
Speaker 1: he's an amazing human being and um yeah, they're so
Speaker 1: perfect for each other. I'm kind of one of those
Speaker 1: people that I see things that are like good for people,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like one of those kind of connectors
Speaker 1: and she actually, yeah, totally. In a lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: Business wise, I've connected you know, managers with clients and
Speaker 1: just people. I love doing that. I love connecting people
Speaker 1: that I think they're going to really like work out together,
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, and like they want to keep
Speaker 1: their obviously their personal life private, you know, and I
Speaker 1: respect that for sure. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Um okay, so
Speaker 1: moving on, um okay, how much booze do you drink
Speaker 1: on this show way too much champagne? Have you guys, pop?
Speaker 1: Do you think lots of champagne? I don't really love champagne,
Speaker 1: So I go straight for I remember, Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: remember I go straight for the hard stuff of my girl. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: We had so many nights together, like, so that please,
Speaker 1: Yeah that tetoes tetesn't like. But I obviously nerves. When
Speaker 1: you're on this show, it's very scary and there's people
Speaker 1: there that do have it out for you for no
Speaker 1: freaking reason. And um, I like, I definitely um like
Speaker 1: who you're thank you. I feel like there are some
Speaker 1: people that just I mean, listen, last night was the
Speaker 1: first episode that I was in. And then Heidi and
Speaker 1: Spencer go to us Weekly and say, last night was
Speaker 1: the worst episode ever and it was a good portion
Speaker 1: of Caroline. You know, Um, do you think like for
Speaker 1: sure it was directed at you? I mean, what else
Speaker 1: could it? It feels really mean, you know, And then
Speaker 1: they say that it should be it should be recast
Speaker 1: for next season. Maybe it was because they felt like
Speaker 1: they weren't in it, so they had a little fomo maybe,
Speaker 1: but like, I just feel like, aren't we all just
Speaker 1: in this because we all want a successful TV show,
Speaker 1: and I do not feel that from them, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a really uphill battle for
Speaker 1: me to be a part of this show, and I
Speaker 1: contribute a lot of that to the way that they
Speaker 1: personally treated me. You know, there were there were times
Speaker 1: when I when I would try to get up and
Speaker 1: speak or whatever, and you know, they'd say things like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just trying to get into a scene, Like isn't
Speaker 1: that what we're doing here? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I'm so confused, Like, so you weren't friends with
Speaker 1: them prior to this, then it was kind of like,
Speaker 1: I mean we were, it's they are in a friend um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I feel like I like one of the first
Speaker 1: things that they had that Spencer said to me a
Speaker 1: while back was that I chose the wrong a lie
Speaker 1: and it was about a friendship that I had made
Speaker 1: in the show. He just came out to me when
Speaker 1: I first came on. He was like, you chose the
Speaker 1: wrong alliance. And I was like, hold on, like, not
Speaker 1: even cameras around, is this? What is this? You know?
Speaker 1: What what's the difference? What alliance is? He specifically talking
Speaker 1: about Yeah. I became friends with Hal and he immediately
Speaker 1: was like, it was like you chose the wrong alliance.
Speaker 1: And I was like alliance like we are human, Like
Speaker 1: I'm a human. I'm this is not like a yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not by the way, are you friends with Brodie?
Speaker 1: Didn't Brodie like bully you back in the day. No,
Speaker 1: he did not bully me. He was he was like
Speaker 1: a brother, you know what I mean. Like he was
Speaker 1: totally like a brother. And I was best friends with
Speaker 1: his little sister Jordan's, and we were like the kids
Speaker 1: that would get the noogies. And I honestly I I
Speaker 1: had said something. I guess I got the nickname because
Speaker 1: I mentioned his nickname in front of a bunch of
Speaker 1: people and he was like, what's his nickname? Again? What's
Speaker 1: the nickname? Oh? My nickname was Lucy. Lucy. It was
Speaker 1: after the first ever smallest baseball head humanity. And it's
Speaker 1: so rude where it's kind of you know what kids are?
Speaker 1: I mean, wait, what was his nickname? I'm not going there.
Speaker 1: Come on, no, Caroline, I text you if you were
Speaker 1: any questions you didn't want me to ask you, Like
Speaker 1: I'm an open book. You don't have to I'm an
Speaker 1: open book about myself. I love Brodie. Brodie has been
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, a genuine friend of mine for
Speaker 1: a really long time. And I think I love his mother, Linda.
Speaker 1: I love that whole family. Is he upset that you're
Speaker 1: good friends with Caitlin or now he was told? Like, no,
Speaker 1: he loves Caitlin. They have a really good friendship, and
Speaker 1: honestly they are should be an example to people that
Speaker 1: you know, separate, move on, realize they're not right for
Speaker 1: each other, and then stay stay cool. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? He really does want the best for her.
Speaker 1: You know what I was kind of feeling was when Caitlin,
Speaker 1: you guys were in San Diego, right and Brodie brought
Speaker 1: this girl, And I feel like Caitlin may have already
Speaker 1: moved on with this new guy, because like the reaction,
Speaker 1: Like I would be really pissed if that happened to me, right,
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be able to like like be calm.
Speaker 1: But I wonder, you know, I think it was with
Speaker 1: somewhere else. I think I think it might have been,
Speaker 1: for sure, but I also think that it was more
Speaker 1: on a friend level, Like you should have told me,
Speaker 1: like as a friend, not like her as like she
Speaker 1: still has feelings for him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that's probably what you picked up on. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about pizza girl. Okay, my f thing can talk about
Speaker 1: So your sauce, right, you're amazing three sauces, right you have? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have a Marinera, a vodka and in r Vata
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, amazing And I love the vodka. The
Speaker 1: vodka is my favorite. Um. So you're selling right now
Speaker 1: in Gelson's is that correct? I am. We just started.
Speaker 1: Gals was the first supermarket to say, yes, here we go.
Speaker 1: We're on the shelves. We will be on the shelves
Speaker 1: at all the Bristol farms in August. And I just
Speaker 1: got sixty five Whole Foods in like the California area,
Speaker 1: so we'll be there in September. Congratulations. So how was
Speaker 1: all of this during the pandemic? Was it was it
Speaker 1: like a struggle just to keep everything going or it
Speaker 1: was it was the biggest struggle, um of my life
Speaker 1: career wise. Um, it was like I had no funding,
Speaker 1: I had no backing. Obviously I lost everything in the
Speaker 1: divorce and ended up. Um what do you mean? Um?
Speaker 1: You know you have to kind of it's either here's
Speaker 1: how what I realized in a divorce and if I
Speaker 1: can give any advice to anybody getting a divorce out there, um,
Speaker 1: it's definitely like go the mediation route, try to be
Speaker 1: friends as best as you can, because lawyers don't care
Speaker 1: about your bank account. Lawyers don't want you to have
Speaker 1: a resolution. These lawyers just want you to keep fighting
Speaker 1: because their bill keeps going up. And there was a
Speaker 1: moment when Bobby and I lived at each other and
Speaker 1: like we were He was like, we were like taking
Speaker 1: out loans to do this fight, Like we didn't even Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so bad to like fight over what like
Speaker 1: a pizza restaurant and a and then pizza girl that
Speaker 1: had just started, you know what I mean. So it
Speaker 1: became like we knew right off the back custody wasn't
Speaker 1: an issue. He's an amazing father, I'm a great mother.
Speaker 1: We both know that soft off the bat, but when
Speaker 1: it came to these little things, it was like the
Speaker 1: lawyers get in your head, right and they just try
Speaker 1: to go, well he said this and this and that.
Speaker 1: It's such a game of it's a mess. So finally
Speaker 1: in California, right like there's certain like you had no
Speaker 1: idea about any Oh my god, it's so bad. They
Speaker 1: don't help you at all. Like the legal system is
Speaker 1: garbage out here. Um, um, it's so bad. So they
Speaker 1: just like let you go on and on and on
Speaker 1: and wrap up these bills. And I was going into debt.
Speaker 1: He was going into debt, and it was really scary.
Speaker 1: And finally we just like I just picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and I was like, what is it gonna take.
Speaker 1: Let's stop the bleeding um, And I gave him the
Speaker 1: restaurant with you know, so you own m Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite pizza. I know. And I've moved on
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually really um it's it's gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of um discussed on the hills, you know, so
Speaker 1: you'll see some of that. How I had to separate
Speaker 1: from my family business and yeah, kind of saying if
Speaker 1: I move on for a few different a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons. My dad and like not being able to
Speaker 1: work with him and his wife was really stressful as well.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of Dad and Bobby still
Speaker 1: work together in a way. Yeah, whoa, Okay, how did
Speaker 1: you feel about that? You know what listen. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's Isabella's father and he'll always
Speaker 1: be a part of the family. And I'm happy that
Speaker 1: they have a nice like you know, um nest egg.
Speaker 1: I want her to a bond and and and a
Speaker 1: business that's going to continue to support them and Isabella
Speaker 1: when she gets older, exactly. And Isabella and I knew
Speaker 1: that I had it in me to start over. I
Speaker 1: knew that I was actually kind of exciting to like
Speaker 1: have a clean slate and start completely over. So I
Speaker 1: have that drive in me, um And I don't know.
Speaker 1: It be hard to work with family too, you know,
Speaker 1: I worked, I had dance studios with my mother, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that really killed us. Oh it's really
Speaker 1: really hard. It's absolutely it's nearly impossible. But I do
Speaker 1: know that a lot of really big businesses grew out
Speaker 1: of the frustration of working with family members and being
Speaker 1: like you, I'm moving on, and that's what I just did.
Speaker 1: And now I do feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: who were not believing in me back in the day.
Speaker 1: And listen, I do know that because of my party
Speaker 1: girl past, it was like an uphill battle getting people
Speaker 1: to believe that I was capable of being the CEO
Speaker 1: of a of a big business and making it work.
Speaker 1: So I had a lot to prove um, and I
Speaker 1: had to change my life and to shake off that
Speaker 1: reputation I still have. My god, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: so hard. Um, I actually got the chosen You said that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, girl, every morning that
Speaker 1: you would wake up to Yeah, yeah, every single day,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so bad. Um. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: definitely some stuff I'm going to have to explain to Isabella,
Speaker 1: like some photos that she'll see one day, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: But I'm just kidding. I'm sure you do. Actually, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you have them, like like printed out in like
Speaker 1: a weird old right in my like weird album like
Speaker 1: just Caroline stuck Er. Um, that's so great. So where
Speaker 1: did you get like these recipes? I heard it was
Speaker 1: like your grandma's old recipes that right. So my grandmother
Speaker 1: she was such a great cook, and she called the
Speaker 1: sauce gravy and she used the sauce on everything. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of my mentality. I'm telling people, it's not
Speaker 1: just pasta sauce, right, you can cook all these different
Speaker 1: dishes in it. I'm making soups with it. I'm making
Speaker 1: you know, um thereso breakfast with it, like you know,
Speaker 1: eggs on top, so good. So I'm just really kind
Speaker 1: of um trying to spread the word and kind of
Speaker 1: be a disruptor in the space. It's very stale and
Speaker 1: old and male driven. UM, so everyone wants a home
Speaker 1: cooked meal. You should come out with a cookbook eventual,
Speaker 1: just like how to use your sauces, your pizza girl
Speaker 1: sauces with like what you know, what combos, not just pasta. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of a book that kind of is
Speaker 1: more of like a story of my life with different
Speaker 1: recipes as it goes, because there's just so many things
Speaker 1: that inspired, you know, different moments. What would the hills inspire?
Speaker 1: What dish would that be? Oh boy? Well, there was
Speaker 1: a rumor that I assaulted one of the characters with
Speaker 1: the slice of pizza. Actually, you actually do I I
Speaker 1: have seen you do that once before. Now I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you slap people with your like hot pizza.
Speaker 1: M This person I wote name names, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can guess. This person went to UM the production
Speaker 1: company and said that Caroline Um, Caroline assaulted me with
Speaker 1: a slice of pizza trying to get me fired off
Speaker 1: the show, and I was thinking, I was like, how
Speaker 1: genius would that have been if I actually did something
Speaker 1: like that, Like Mack everybody, I'm like. My sister says
Speaker 1: that I did that when she was a little girl
Speaker 1: when we were traveling to Italy. She said I got
Speaker 1: so mad at her that I slapped her with a
Speaker 1: hot like piece of pizza and it has traumatized her
Speaker 1: ever since. She just tells the story like almost weekly,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I feel so bad that must have her.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like a hot like hot cheese just
Speaker 1: being and then like the sound and the splat of
Speaker 1: like whatever sauce that you use, and then like just
Speaker 1: falling like this, like all down. It's amazing. There's actually
Speaker 1: a great weapon. You know. You should definitely do that
Speaker 1: for the upcoming season. Speaking up, is there going to
Speaker 1: be a season three? I don't know, honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. And you know, according to Heidi
Speaker 1: and Spencer, the whole thing needs to be read. There
Speaker 1: having their own spin off. According to Hydia, they have
Speaker 1: a spin off coming out shortly. Yeah, So I don't
Speaker 1: know if the show can survive without um. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you having fun? Are you having fun? You know what?
Speaker 1: For the most part, I have so much fun. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a really great opportunity. I'm very grateful for it.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I love the entire staff.
Speaker 1: I love everybody who works on the show. Um. I
Speaker 1: actually just finished my interviews, some interviews yesterday, and I
Speaker 1: brought like every single person Sawce and we're all just
Speaker 1: like shooting the show and like having a really good time.
Speaker 1: Like the moral and the energy of everybody who works
Speaker 1: on the show is amazing. So those are the people
Speaker 1: I tend to like, UM, have a really great time with.
Speaker 1: But like I said, there's a lot of cast members
Speaker 1: that will be friends for life. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: meet Ashley and Jason's baby. Yes, congratulations, Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: She just she just had her baby boy, right, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: I was just talking to them this morning. I'm going
Speaker 1: up to Laguna, so I said, maybe i'd five if
Speaker 1: they wanted me to you. And how is it like
Speaker 1: with I know some cast members are so right. Is
Speaker 1: Brodie actually sober? I don't know he was for most
Speaker 1: of the season. I don't know his like ins and outs.
Speaker 1: I'm sober again, so I know things. I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of people go. I mean, I can speak
Speaker 1: for myself and say that on the TV show I'm
Speaker 1: more inclined to drink than off the TV show because, um,
Speaker 1: it's you're nervous. You're nervous. Yeah, you're nervous, and you're
Speaker 1: in it and you need to like you know, that
Speaker 1: liquid coat and that liquid courage and just like be
Speaker 1: okay with what's happening. So you know, totally totally, And
Speaker 1: so I know you probably have shot like so much content,
Speaker 1: right and they're only showing whatever that they're showing. And
Speaker 1: what is like maybe a scene or something that you
Speaker 1: shot that you wish would have aired. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I wish it would have aired because it
Speaker 1: was really mean. But I do think that the very
Speaker 1: first night I ever walked on to be there, um,
Speaker 1: to be a part of the of the whole thing. Um,
Speaker 1: I just remember Spencer coming up to me and saying
Speaker 1: something really means like, oh, Caitlin, I think he knew
Speaker 1: people started knowing that maybe I had some feelings for
Speaker 1: her that obviously we spent a lot of time together.
Speaker 1: So he said something really mean about like, oh, um,
Speaker 1: you think you're like like Miley or something like you
Speaker 1: think you're like someone She's going to go up from there,
Speaker 1: not down from there, basically is what he said. So rude,
Speaker 1: And it was just like she would never date you.
Speaker 1: We want her to date like a celebrity, you're a
Speaker 1: civilian or something like that. It was when did she
Speaker 1: control who she dates? I know, well, they think they
Speaker 1: control everything, actually the entire executive producers. Who knows honestly,
Speaker 1: at this point, I have no idea. I'm like everybody's
Speaker 1: you know, that must be really hard because like on
Speaker 1: Dancing with Stars, when I know that, like maybe I
Speaker 1: have some beef with another dancer, it makes everything so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It makes everything so uncomfortable, and it's like and then
Speaker 1: you start to like get like I do, at least
Speaker 1: I start to get paranoid, like, oh wait, is this
Speaker 1: a whole like thing happening? Is everyone against me? And
Speaker 1: then I'm like the result and I get eliminated, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, for sure, it's because whatever, whatever right
Speaker 1: I've done like episodes, so it's like I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's this whole conspiracy theory. But then when you
Speaker 1: take a step back and you're looking into it, you're
Speaker 1: just like, actually, not everything is about you, Cheryl. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: no exactly. I mean, I I know, and that's exactly it.
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, some people think that, you know, the
Speaker 1: world revolves around them, and other people just want to
Speaker 1: work together as a team to make a great show
Speaker 1: and that's really it. So I'm so happy that you're
Speaker 1: a part of the actual cast because honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: know if i'd watch it if you weren't a part
Speaker 1: of it. I you know, I love you, I root
Speaker 1: for you, and I want to know is Kristin Cavalary?
Speaker 1: So she's coming on as a what is this like
Speaker 1: a special guest or yeah? Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: I think it's more of like a guest appearance. Um,
Speaker 1: but we do end up all hanging out and we
Speaker 1: have fun with her. She's such a good human being.
Speaker 1: I really love her. I think she's just fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would love I was gonna say, like your personality
Speaker 1: and yeah, all of that's would go out and just
Speaker 1: dancing with the stars as well. Oh, I thought you
Speaker 1: were going to do dancing with the stars. Did they
Speaker 1: ask you yet? They have not but I would totally
Speaker 1: do it. You need to say that, you request me.
Speaker 1: It'll be the first girl on girl A couple cannot see. Actually,
Speaker 1: America not ready. I'm leading, Yeah, obviously you always lead
Speaker 1: and everything we do. Actually, that's right. Wait. Remember when
Speaker 1: we went Selsa dancing and I was like terrified because
Speaker 1: you and all your crazy dancer friends bring me to
Speaker 1: a sauce to night and then like Lopez shows up
Speaker 1: and just like whipping around me, whipping around you, and
Speaker 1: like what am I supposed to do right now? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, you were so cute. It was Leah.
Speaker 1: Leah Romany was like they're setting that whole thing up
Speaker 1: and she's just right after we were like we wrapped whatever.
Speaker 1: She was like, I love Caroline so much. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even like she doesn't care that she's never really danced before,
Speaker 1: but she just went out there and was like she
Speaker 1: hates it when people just sit and just like talk
Speaker 1: about people. She wants people to get up and dance,
Speaker 1: like to the point where I'm a sweaty mess, Like
Speaker 1: it's quite disgusting, but we had so much fun. It was, um,
Speaker 1: what's it called? At l I don't freaking knows whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's next, Like, what else are you doing? Because
Speaker 1: I know I just saw you on Forbes dot com. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's the first time I ever googled you.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. That was really weird, so weird. Google
Speaker 1: is very weird. It's all good stuff. Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: so glad that my current boyfriend doesn't go, Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: your current girlfriend? Yeah, he's I think he made him
Speaker 1: dropped off that stuff at my house. Uh no, no,
Speaker 1: that was one of our people are like employees yet now, Um,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: was he really hot, said it's my boyfriend that's gonna
Speaker 1: go drop Oh then maybe it was him. Maybe Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. But anyway, Um, he kind of
Speaker 1: starts to appear towards the end of the hills. I
Speaker 1: think it's he. It's on in the cutting room floor.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but um, but he's amazing and
Speaker 1: he has a similar kind of like outlook on life
Speaker 1: like I do. And what is he? He was a
Speaker 1: professional soccer player since you know he was a little
Speaker 1: kid in Scotland. Um, and he debuted fourteen and um,
Speaker 1: you know, so he had already had such a massive career,
Speaker 1: like was born into a career, um, and then he
Speaker 1: came out here and he started acting and doing other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after he was done with soccer. So it's just it's
Speaker 1: very new, very very new new. You don't have to
Speaker 1: give me a timeline. You can just text me later. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll text you. It's very new. It's very new. But
Speaker 1: I'm very happy and it's fun. So you know, And
Speaker 1: how's it like adjusting with Isabella? Like has she met
Speaker 1: anyone that you've ever dated? Or like are you guys?
Speaker 1: Are you just not until serious? I'm pretty yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty kind of honest with her. For a six year old,
Speaker 1: she's pretty can't believe she's six. I know. It isn't
Speaker 1: that crazy, It's not. It's really nuts. And you know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of single mom friends and they're
Speaker 1: like listen, and I had this debate. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you date? What do you do? And they're like listen,
Speaker 1: sometimes your home with your kid every night, Like, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna date anybody if they don't come over
Speaker 1: and meet your kid? You know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: you have to you have to obviously, not just every anybody,
Speaker 1: but you know, like when you're a single mom, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of women can relate out there, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to like meet a guy that's down
Speaker 1: to like hang with the kids because you know they're
Speaker 1: out if not, Um, I know that you're really good
Speaker 1: friends with Seawan Stewart and I have to say, God
Speaker 1: bless his heart, but he was so freaking nervous. I
Speaker 1: could tell, like when he was his hands were like
Speaker 1: a little shaky, and I was like, oh, wait, hasn't
Speaker 1: he done reality before? He has? He had a show
Speaker 1: um with his family, um, the Stewart I think it
Speaker 1: was called um on E and then he had done
Speaker 1: some other's show with like um some other famous children
Speaker 1: of at some point. Um, But yeah, he has. I
Speaker 1: think he was nervous because is he friends with the
Speaker 1: whole crew too? Like is that how you guys he's
Speaker 1: actually really good friends with Heidie and Spencer. Oh interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that's how he ended up coming into
Speaker 1: and meeting Audrina and all of that. So that was
Speaker 1: real then. So that was like a real like you
Speaker 1: need to my friend and when you heard about that,
Speaker 1: because you guys are like family basically, right, Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: like really close. We're like more we have a more
Speaker 1: like a brotherly sisterly relationship. I'm really good friends with
Speaker 1: his older sister, Kimberly. Um and yeah, so he was
Speaker 1: always kind of that you know, brother lead type around. Um.
Speaker 1: I love Sean. He is so sweet, but um, I
Speaker 1: kind of knew that that wasn't maybe going to be
Speaker 1: the best connection. Um. Yeah, but you know, Audrina is
Speaker 1: also a single mom trying to date and navigate that
Speaker 1: it's really hard, and it's kind of hard to date
Speaker 1: guys that don't have kids, to be honest, because and
Speaker 1: are you guys close to you and Audrina because you
Speaker 1: guys did a movie together or something, right. I love Audrina.
Speaker 1: She is a really good human being. She's so sweet,
Speaker 1: but she's also just genuine. She's not fake sweet, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like a really good person. Our
Speaker 1: daughters are similar in age, and um, we have you know,
Speaker 1: we went to this L L fashion show with the kids,
Speaker 1: you know before COVID And yeah, we did that movie
Speaker 1: together where we played sisters and we actually all me
Speaker 1: Her and Caitlin just hung out at her house a
Speaker 1: couple of nights ago. And she's a really awesome human
Speaker 1: being Yeah, she's definitely you guys, are you are you
Speaker 1: still filming or you know, um, sometimes they just have
Speaker 1: you you know, we're done. Now we're done. But did
Speaker 1: you film before COVID and then film again during That's
Speaker 1: what was so crazy and complicated and all of our
Speaker 1: lives changed so much after COVID. So, yeah, we filmed
Speaker 1: before COVID, and none of that is being used, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, really none of it? Yeah, not really.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a couple of Actually the last nights
Speaker 1: on last week's this last episode, there was a flashback
Speaker 1: to my dad and his wife like brading me about
Speaker 1: my divorce. That was from then. Um, so I'm they're
Speaker 1: flashing back to some of those times to fill out stories.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we did all. How hard was that during
Speaker 1: because like we did a season during COVID and we
Speaker 1: had like COVID officers up our ass, like constantly we
Speaker 1: were tested. We had to shove up our own like
Speaker 1: h tip up up our nose, and then like if
Speaker 1: you had a false positive, like the whole thing had
Speaker 1: to shut down. Like one person I think from Wardrobe
Speaker 1: got COVID and that was the day everyone had fittings
Speaker 1: and so like it was just extra anxiety, and I
Speaker 1: just realized how much now that everything's opening back up
Speaker 1: and everything's going back to normal, I have such bad
Speaker 1: social anxiety. I swear that's why I used to drink
Speaker 1: so much. You know, it's really bad. Yeah, you realize.
Speaker 1: I was wondering a little bit about that with you,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because I did feel like a different
Speaker 1: change of energy with you, and I was wondering, like
Speaker 1: in one sense, um, and more to the sense that,
Speaker 1: like I mean, continue used to be very like yeah,
Speaker 1: out going, ready to go out, and then you did
Speaker 1: become very like introverted and kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: you actually wrote to one day I was like, when
Speaker 1: are we gonna hang out that You're like, well, let
Speaker 1: me like, I don't remember what it was to make
Speaker 1: my head around this. Let me wrap my head around
Speaker 1: this in a way. Yeah, I'm an addict, right, so
Speaker 1: like for me, an alcoholic, and so it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to go out. I just realized it's recently actually,
Speaker 1: and it was scary because, um, it was Leah Remedy's birthday.
Speaker 1: She had a big party and a lot of people
Speaker 1: were drinking, and a lot of people were asking me
Speaker 1: like why aren't you drinking or why can't you just
Speaker 1: have one? And it's just like it's triggering, and like
Speaker 1: with big social events like that, it makes me honestly
Speaker 1: think about drinking, and once I go there, I'm scared
Speaker 1: that I'll just fall deep into this like rabbit hole. Um.
Speaker 1: And so, like I just knew for me in my
Speaker 1: mental state, it was the healthiest to kind of not
Speaker 1: surround myself with places that may tempt me to want
Speaker 1: to drink, because it's not just one for me. And
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that I may represent that for
Speaker 1: you because you and I party together so totally. But
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you I have other friends that I
Speaker 1: had that with you are so now as well, and
Speaker 1: we all kind of like sobered up our lives a bit.
Speaker 1: And I'm definitely it's definitely a struggle for me as well. Um,
Speaker 1: And I will absolutely go out dancing with you sober
Speaker 1: any night of the week. Um. I'm definitely more than
Speaker 1: thank you. That means so much to me, Caroline, because
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of people. My whole life has
Speaker 1: changed as far as like friendships, right, Like, so like
Speaker 1: I had clearly I only knew my party friends and like,
Speaker 1: but then once I stopped drinking, it was like, I'm
Speaker 1: honestly even shocked by name names right now, like with
Speaker 1: who I don't even talk to, But not because we
Speaker 1: hate each other, just because like we've lost touch, just
Speaker 1: because I don't do that, not like it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can't do it because I can't
Speaker 1: just have one. Yeah, and you know what, that's my
Speaker 1: exact problem too, I cannot just have one. And it
Speaker 1: leads me to I have this mentality that my therapist
Speaker 1: called the mentality, and I have one, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: harder go yeah, you go hard to go home. And
Speaker 1: then I just like I'm and then I do this
Speaker 1: like thing where I'm just like Caroline, we used to
Speaker 1: drink like fish like like like and nothing, and like
Speaker 1: we were functioning drunks. So that's scary really because like
Speaker 1: it actually made me feel like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: a better person. I can talk, I can face my
Speaker 1: fears when I'm a little bit faced, excuse my language.
Speaker 1: But then at the end of the day, I'm like
Speaker 1: it just stopped working. I was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and I just had a p and then my dad
Speaker 1: died and I was just like, wait a second, I
Speaker 1: could either like start to really fall and crash and
Speaker 1: burn and check myself into rehab or not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just quit cold turkey because it's just like that was
Speaker 1: like really I didn't know where I was going to
Speaker 1: go with it, you know, But yeah, I completely I
Speaker 1: can relate, and I totally understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: And I have definitely struggled a bit, Like I'm the
Speaker 1: kind of alcoholic that I will go um days without
Speaker 1: drinking just fine. You know. I have family members that
Speaker 1: are so bad with alcoholism that they would wait at
Speaker 1: the liquor store to open in the morning, right, So
Speaker 1: that's a very different type of alcoholic. And when you
Speaker 1: go to a meetings, you see, I used to feel
Speaker 1: guilty that I would be an a meeting because these
Speaker 1: people were talking about literally like being in the streets
Speaker 1: looking for crack. And this is really taking it to
Speaker 1: a level where I was mentality, where I was so
Speaker 1: functioning and I can go these without it. Might problem
Speaker 1: is that when I do drink, I often those are
Speaker 1: the nights that I regret my behavior. And I was
Speaker 1: sick of weight, I'm sick of waking up and piecing
Speaker 1: together a night where something bad happened, knowing I may
Speaker 1: have even been in the right, but I now don't
Speaker 1: have the having people have to explain to you, like
Speaker 1: do you remember, Like that's the worst thing in the world,
Speaker 1: the worst and I'm truly going down a very different
Speaker 1: path right now. So I'm so proud of you and
Speaker 1: they like, just like sometimes I just don't want there's
Speaker 1: nothing to do with anybody other than myself. Like I
Speaker 1: know how much I can handle, and if I'm like
Speaker 1: in my personal life, if I'm very um like sensitive,
Speaker 1: or if I'm feeling easily triggered, It's like why I
Speaker 1: put myself in like situations where I'm easily gonna probably
Speaker 1: you do it again, you know. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: I've been feeling like drinking a lot lately and I'm
Speaker 1: just like I need to just get my head straight, um,
Speaker 1: And it's just been a lot, you know. And thank
Speaker 1: you for saying that. That means so much to me,
Speaker 1: because I could definitely use another friend. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you have me, and I need more friends like
Speaker 1: in the same boat, to be honest, and I have
Speaker 1: like three right now that you shouldn't meet too, because
Speaker 1: we all are similar that where we were all kind
Speaker 1: of world. Everybody expects that of you when you go out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I actually canceled my
Speaker 1: my birthday party. I had a birthday party and I
Speaker 1: didn't know did I not invite you? It was, I know,
Speaker 1: but that's fine, that's totally fine. I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't even know. I forgot it was your birthday. I
Speaker 1: just said happy. I know, No, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a small thing. It was going to be a small
Speaker 1: thing by the pool here at the Villa Carlata and
Speaker 1: I did one last year and it was like a rager,
Speaker 1: you know, So I was going to do it. And
Speaker 1: then the morning of I was like, I canceled it,
Speaker 1: and my manager and everybody coming to like Arlene de
Speaker 1: Mare canceling a party like something's wrong. And the immediately
Speaker 1: I got questions that are you pregnant? Are you okay?
Speaker 1: Like all this stuff, and I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: just I have a really important meeting tomorrow morning, and
Speaker 1: I'm now the CENEO of this company, and like it's
Speaker 1: either make or break, Like I cannot up anymore. And
Speaker 1: I don't know where we got the stamina from, but man,
Speaker 1: we would, I would go drinking. It was like my job.
Speaker 1: I was like Alice and Melnick to stamina from so um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I also, by the way, I was able to
Speaker 1: sweat it out and dance for her soul because I'd
Speaker 1: go straight from god knows where, like sweaty shower, and
Speaker 1: then I just danced it off and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, let's party again, Caroline. I'll see you at
Speaker 1: the SOHO. I did not know how you did it.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that we would be up all
Speaker 1: night and then you go straight to dance your ass
Speaker 1: off was in was but wow, I thought, I think
Speaker 1: that's the reason why, because I sweat it all out.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, you sweat it out. It's true. Like
Speaker 1: any time I've been hungover and I've gone for hike
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's like hell, and by the end I
Speaker 1: do feel a lot better. Yeah, But in the next
Speaker 1: day is the one that really hurts, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: let's just drink again. Yeah yeah, by poor bye poor.
Speaker 1: I'm miserable in the morning, right and I hate myself,
Speaker 1: hate myself, hate myself. Four o'clock rolls around, here's the drink.
Speaker 1: Let's have another fun night. And you know it's like
Speaker 1: a routine. Yeah. Hair of the Dog keeps you going.
Speaker 1: Love you. I like you, I love you, and I
Speaker 1: love you and I'm so proud of you. And you
Speaker 1: know I always root for you and I hope to
Speaker 1: see you more in these episodes, upcoming episodes. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? They can find me on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Caroline de More and my company at Pizza Girl Official.
Speaker 1: If you please send me more songs? Absolutely? Okay? Bye?
Speaker 1: Alright guys, So that's it. It was so good to
Speaker 1: catch up with my girl Caroline dam Moore. But let's
Speaker 1: take a break and come back though, because we've got
Speaker 1: our second guest from cs t Key Camilla. Hi, how
Speaker 1: are you? God? How are you good? You look very
Speaker 1: pretty today and you're cute little top. I love it. Um.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna just get right and down and dirty. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Are there anything? Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you don't want me to ask? Oh? No, go,
Speaker 1: everything's out because you know I'm gonna ask regardless of
Speaker 1: something to hide, nothing to hide? Okay. So what is
Speaker 1: your current status right now? Are you single or I'm single? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are you happily single? Yeah? I'm actually very happy single.
Speaker 1: I'm just focusing on me and you know, men are
Speaker 1: too much drama, So I'm right trying to stay you know, single,
Speaker 1: That's really what I'm trying to do. Yeah, And speaking
Speaker 1: of men with drama, so Brandon clearly is um fits
Speaker 1: that I guess definition right um of a man with
Speaker 1: lots of drama? What is going on with you guys?
Speaker 1: Is he trying to like win you back? Is he
Speaker 1: wanting the best of both worlds? What's going on? I mean,
Speaker 1: so what I can say is, you know, he's definitely
Speaker 1: still like reaching out, and we're kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I answer him. We talk a little bit, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're kind of just like still like
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out. And it's just a big
Speaker 1: question mark on there still honestly between us. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Like still are you guys friends, like do
Speaker 1: you are you ready for that? Or is it best
Speaker 1: just to like not interact? I guess, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess you guys will have to see you guys have
Speaker 1: It's a little teether, yeah, I mean, I can't give
Speaker 1: too much, but we're definitely still you know, he's reaching
Speaker 1: now and I am like entertaining it a little bit,
Speaker 1: but who knows? And how long have you were you
Speaker 1: guys together? Like is there a lot of history? There
Speaker 1: must be a lot of history, right, so we were
Speaker 1: together for like two years? And where are you? Where
Speaker 1: are you from? I'm originally from Italy, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: missing yeah when I was twelve. Do you speak Italian? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my first language. That's amazing. My husband's Italian, so
Speaker 1: he can't speak it. But yeah, yeah, I love Italians.
Speaker 1: You stumped me. I'll get back to you on that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where my husband's from. I barely
Speaker 1: know his last name. But his last name is Mignona.
Speaker 1: This is real last name, but he's known as Matthew Lawrence.
Speaker 1: But his real last name is Matthew Mignona and everyone
Speaker 1: pronounces it Magnogna because of the gene. I like that, totally,
Speaker 1: totally um okay, So what made you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of CSKE? Like, are you someone who has
Speaker 1: been on television prior to this or is this something
Speaker 1: that just fell into your lap? Honestly, if I have
Speaker 1: to be honest, So when I first started seeing Brandon,
Speaker 1: I like he was on the TV show and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and I really didn't want to do that because I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like I'm not that type girl. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just say, feel comfortable to do it.
Speaker 1: And then eventually I was like, okay, we started filming together,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, I want my
Speaker 1: boyfriend and me to be like as a team on
Speaker 1: the show, you know, not just him doing it. So
Speaker 1: I started doing it and then yeah, I just became
Speaker 1: you know, something I did with him. That's why this
Speaker 1: season was so different for me, because it was like
Speaker 1: me by myself and like showing who I am as
Speaker 1: a person. Before I was like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: was the Jellis girlfriend because he was, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: not faithful. So so you were crazy and jealous for
Speaker 1: a good reason, because I mean it's not like you were.
Speaker 1: Actually you're by the way, you're not crazy. And obviously
Speaker 1: we as women have an intuition that like you can't
Speaker 1: necessarily explain, but you just know when something's off, no exactly,
Speaker 1: and you know I always did, and I always I
Speaker 1: don't know, I try to change him and whatnot, and
Speaker 1: you know, I maybe you can't change anybody in my love.
Speaker 1: You can't change anyone exactly. And that's why I was like,
Speaker 1: this season was so important for me to just get
Speaker 1: my story out there and show who I am as
Speaker 1: a person compared to his girlfriend. You know, so who
Speaker 1: are you as a person? Who am I as a person?
Speaker 1: I think you've seen it the show. I'm very you know,
Speaker 1: I put I went through a lot last year, and
Speaker 1: I just I felt like sparing it with the world
Speaker 1: because I was like, I wanted women to feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, what happened to me is something that no
Speaker 1: one talks about. It's something that we feel. I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt ashamed, I felt like embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: was so scared to even talk to anyone about it.
Speaker 1: And I talked to the producers and I told him
Speaker 1: I want to put this out there so and honestly
Speaker 1: that I'm so happy at like all these d m s.
Speaker 1: I got all these women going through the staping and
Speaker 1: they're just like, Wow, I don't feel alone now because
Speaker 1: you put yourself such a vulnerable situation and like totally there.
Speaker 1: You know. So for those I know what happened, but
Speaker 1: for those of you, the listeners that are just tuning
Speaker 1: in and may not now, can you please explain if
Speaker 1: you don't mind. Yeah, so, um, last year in February,
Speaker 1: I got pregnant and I went to get like an
Speaker 1: ultrasound and they told me they couldn't see anything in
Speaker 1: my uterus, so they assumed it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: a miscarriage or something, and it turned out to be
Speaker 1: an atopic pregnancy. So I had to get rushed to
Speaker 1: the emergency room. And this was during COVID, so it's
Speaker 1: when um, the egg goes, you know, how it goes
Speaker 1: through your fallopian tube to implant in the uterus. Mine
Speaker 1: got stuck in my fallopian two so it was actually
Speaker 1: like it was like starting to burst. And when I
Speaker 1: went in the emergency room, yeah, they were like you
Speaker 1: literally couldn't I could have led out to death. Literally,
Speaker 1: So it was like serious, Like I went in there
Speaker 1: and I had no idea what was happening, and they're
Speaker 1: like telling me, listen, this is what's happening, and I'm
Speaker 1: like what, and I'm freaking out. I was in the
Speaker 1: hospital by myself. They wouldn't let Brandon in because like COVID,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just the worst experience of
Speaker 1: my life. I was by myself. I had to have
Speaker 1: emergency surgery. I didn't know what was happening, Like I
Speaker 1: ever heard of a topic bregnancy till that day. So
Speaker 1: it was just very trauma and you were planning on
Speaker 1: having the baby. I mean, you know, I couldn't even
Speaker 1: I didn't even get the chance to think. And obviously
Speaker 1: what was going to you know, like but it's like
Speaker 1: I didn't even have a chance to think anything because
Speaker 1: I was so rushed, like you know, murgency surgery. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: So how many months pregnant were you then? Or weeks? Sorry,
Speaker 1: because I was like six weeks. Got it? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, So you're not even like you're just
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah. I was just like okay, like crazy,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your story. Yeah it was crazy.
Speaker 1: I I just was like I really want to make
Speaker 1: people and women just feel like it's okay and it
Speaker 1: happens and you're not alone, because I felt so alone.
Speaker 1: I just felt like for months I was depressed, like
Speaker 1: and Brandon was really there for me, like we really
Speaker 1: like after that we got so close because it was
Speaker 1: like just such a traumatic experience for a couple and
Speaker 1: you know, in general, and then obviously he had a
Speaker 1: bag be on the way, which is even crazy, like
Speaker 1: I couldn't have your kid, but some girl that you
Speaker 1: slept with twice, I could have your kid, which is
Speaker 1: like insane for me, your girlfriend, you know, so it
Speaker 1: really like hurt me a lot and what we're and
Speaker 1: you must have been going through so many emotions, right,
Speaker 1: like a rollercoaster of emotions, like you wanted him there,
Speaker 1: but then at the same time, you wanted to probably
Speaker 1: kill him at the same time. And it's like, how
Speaker 1: did you find out about that other pregnancy? Did he
Speaker 1: tell you? Yeah? So actually he he told me. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to l a to record because he you know,
Speaker 1: he's our musician. So he was doing that and I
Speaker 1: was actually laid by my pool and my phone was
Speaker 1: charging and I go to grab my phone and I'm
Speaker 1: like there's like six miss calls and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is not like Brandon Brandon only he's not like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a double caller or whatever. Something's up. And I
Speaker 1: was already like scared to call back because I was like,
Speaker 1: what do you do now? Like I was like what,
Speaker 1: So I just called him and he told me he's like, listen,
Speaker 1: this has been the hardest thing for me. To like
Speaker 1: have to tell you. He was like, so, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't even speak on the point, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is it? Tell me? And he's like, so like
Speaker 1: I hooked up with this girl and she has my kids.
Speaker 1: And as soon as he said that, I literally just
Speaker 1: like dropped to my phone and like got on the
Speaker 1: ground and I just started having a panic attack. Literally.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, like, this is the last thing
Speaker 1: I ever thought I would ever hear. This is when
Speaker 1: you were pregnant. Yeah, And this was after I kind
Speaker 1: of was in a better place from it, because it
Speaker 1: was a few months after he told me in like
Speaker 1: June July, like right before the reunion literally, so it
Speaker 1: was like I was healing from that and so crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: My heart just dropped to my stomach. Yeah, I was horrible, honestly,
Speaker 1: And so he didn't even know he was cheating on
Speaker 1: you necessarily, right, or did you have a feeling? I
Speaker 1: mean I had a feeling, but it wasn't any proof.
Speaker 1: And I always I mean, you know, the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt type, that's good. Don't lose that. Whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't lose that because I'm definitely not like that, right,
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to see the glass half
Speaker 1: full instead of you know, half empty. I tend to
Speaker 1: go like, um, you know I've got issues too, girl,
Speaker 1: this this is not about me, so um is would
Speaker 1: you say that, like in the show, is is your
Speaker 1: portrayal accurate as far as like who you truly are
Speaker 1: as a person? I mean definitely, I think definitely, especially
Speaker 1: this season. You know, last season maybe was more exaggerated
Speaker 1: of like me being jealous and all that stuff. But
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I opened up and I put
Speaker 1: myself in such a vulnerable state. People finally see that.
Speaker 1: It's like I am. I'm a real honest person, like
Speaker 1: I really am, Like I don't really down to earth
Speaker 1: and I don't sugarcode anything. I'm just like it is
Speaker 1: what it is. This is what it is, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like even on the show, you guys see
Speaker 1: like it's so hard because it's like I want to
Speaker 1: move on, and then when Brandon like hooks up with Jordana,
Speaker 1: like you know, it still hurts me. I have those
Speaker 1: feelings there. It's like I want to be able to
Speaker 1: move on, but I don't want him to move I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's not like a girl I get it.
Speaker 1: And were you friends with Georgiana or yeah? I was,
Speaker 1: I was over friends. Yeah, we were friends, you know
Speaker 1: friends as in we're not closest friends, but we were
Speaker 1: always like we're the same group. Yeah, and there's just
Speaker 1: rules rules, and she like definitely, Like I told her,
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, like he's emailing me and he's
Speaker 1: like doing all this stuff. I might just be careful
Speaker 1: because I know Brandon and I know like what he
Speaker 1: did with her. He used her to just like hook
Speaker 1: up with her and then didn't want anything. And she
Speaker 1: she blocks me on Instagram and she thinks, it's what
Speaker 1: does I have to do with me? That's what I
Speaker 1: don't get. And I really ask her, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is why are you so mad at me? Like it's
Speaker 1: not my fault that he doesn't wan to serious like
Speaker 1: and mind you, he's going to do it to her too,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it's not like she's
Speaker 1: there's nothing special as a baby mama. He's not over me.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna he just wants like a you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know some people are addicted to like
Speaker 1: love that's sex and love addict type thing, like where
Speaker 1: you're addicted to the um up and down and that
Speaker 1: adrenaline rush, you know, and it's hard to shake, but
Speaker 1: like you first have to acknowledge it and it's just
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But like, you know, you can't help
Speaker 1: but think that maybe, you know, Brandon, maybe addicted to
Speaker 1: love and sex and who knows, you know, But um,
Speaker 1: my friend, it was nice to meet you. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I do have one more question for you,
Speaker 1: so be honest. Okay, So who's swimsuit line do you
Speaker 1: like more? Juliette or Kelsey. Wow, that's a good question,
Speaker 1: and this is so crazy, like wait for me. It
Speaker 1: depends on like if they have any seamless uh swimsuits,
Speaker 1: But like if not, then I don't know. So I
Speaker 1: modeled both the suits, and I I definitely love both
Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you know, it's all about the process.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you must love one more than the other.
Speaker 1: I know, if I had to pick, I mean probably
Speaker 1: Juliets I guess, you know, yeah, it's just me and
Speaker 1: but I support both of them, Like it's all about
Speaker 1: the process. They both put in so much hard work
Speaker 1: in it. And you know, I'm starting my own brand too,
Speaker 1: so I really understand swimsuits. No, I'm starting a lounge
Speaker 1: where basically smart smart. Yeah, I want to do something
Speaker 1: different I'm doing Yeah, I'm not doing that, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I understand how hard it is. So I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like picking a side. But if I had,
Speaker 1: you know, if you put me on the spot, probably,
Speaker 1: I mean it wouldn't actually be anything about them. It's
Speaker 1: more about like the product itself and the quality. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone has their preference, so I shouldn't offend anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. And I'm going to get your loungewear. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I love lude where this is like the
Speaker 1: one thing I miss about Quarantine is that, like we
Speaker 1: didn't have to dress up. So I love loungers and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I want everyone to be
Speaker 1: comfortable and like, you know, just everyone loves sweatpants and
Speaker 1: and still be able to go out and look cute.
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly where can people find you? Camilla? My
Speaker 1: instagram is Camilla Catanio underscore. Okay, how do you spell that?
Speaker 1: Just so that people know you're his? Last name? E
Speaker 1: A M I L L A C A T t
Speaker 1: A N e O underscore cut down name Italian. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love it. Thank you so much, my friend,
Speaker 1: and take care of yourself. Thank you so much. Nice,
Speaker 1: thank you, nice to meet you. Bye bye. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: so that's a wrap right here. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me. Thanks to my heart. And yeah, make
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