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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back everyone. It is

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Speaker 1: finally September. And if you're like me, you've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about these days since the beginning of March when we

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Speaker 1: first heard about this thing called COVID, and you're like, now,

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Speaker 1: but we got elk hunting in September, that elk hunting

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Speaker 1: is finally here. Over the last couple of weeks, a

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Speaker 1: few weeks about a month, I've been going over some

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Speaker 1: of my favorite elk tactics, especially a lot of calling

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Speaker 1: as far as escalating the challenge with a bull and

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Speaker 1: then creating a party with cow elk and then using decoys,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of realized that we've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: extensive library going of some really great elk hunting tactics

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Speaker 1: that I'm not necessarily sure are shared very many other places.

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Speaker 1: And these are things that I found through the years

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Speaker 1: really work. So what I want to do is we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go back and I'm gonna pull out some of

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Speaker 1: the highlights of things that I've found in past episodes

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Speaker 1: and give you one final just compilation of incredible elk tips.

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Speaker 1: So between the last stuff and this stuff, you should

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Speaker 1: be well on your way to harvesting a bull elk

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Speaker 1: this September. If I were to break down elk hunting

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Speaker 1: into basic steps, step one, find the elk. If you

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Speaker 1: can't find the elk, you can't hunt the elk. Now

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Speaker 1: that seems pretty obvious, But whether you're going into a

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Speaker 1: new area, or maybe you're in an area you've hunted

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Speaker 1: before or an area that you've scouted or planning on hunting,

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Speaker 1: and the elk just don't happen to be where you

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Speaker 1: thought they were going to be or where you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? What I do is I pull

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Speaker 1: out my mapping software and I do some e scouting

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Speaker 1: beforehand as well as while I'm in the field if

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for new spots and things aren't panning out properly. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go over what I do on my

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Speaker 1: and how to key in on the things that Elk

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Speaker 1: and have a better chance of figuring out where they

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Speaker 1: are in real life. So we're gonna go back to

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Speaker 1: episode twelve, and I'm just gonna pull out my phone

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Speaker 1: on this episode and run you through what I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for to find Elk. So I'm gonna open up my

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Speaker 1: So let's say, let's go for this. We're hunting Elk.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab a random unit in Montana, and then

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna kind of look and say what I'm

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Speaker 1: doing and what I'm looking for, just like I were

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Speaker 1: planning out a hunt in an area that I've never been. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the cool thing about this app is it has

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Speaker 1: so that's a start. Now I'm looking for public ground

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Speaker 1: They need the right habitat that sustains them. And for

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start identifying these based on the topo lines.

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Speaker 1: is often more timbered and more shaded, which lends to

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Speaker 1: what I'll do is I'll take that same pin go

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Speaker 1: app and putting in my coordinates and I'm flying to

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Speaker 1: much my recipe for the hunt before I even show

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Speaker 1: will say it many more times. The key to calling

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Speaker 1: an elk, the key to being successful elk hunting is

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Speaker 1: really understanding elk behavior. There's so many different scenarios that

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Speaker 1: even things like the moon cycles and the temperatures outside.

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Speaker 1: It's all gonna go into how the elk are behaving

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Speaker 1: a successful hunt. We're gonna go back to episode five

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna share the way that you can coax

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Speaker 1: not because that elk knows you're a hunter calling to him.

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Speaker 1: It's because that's what that elk is doing if other

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Speaker 1: elker in his area. There's a lot of ways to

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Speaker 1: pinpoint these loan bulls, and there's a few places that

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Speaker 1: been a hard week of hunting, the elk are not

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Speaker 1: making noise. Okay, where are we going to start, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's pick a time. Are you hunting a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier in the season. Do you believe that maybe they're

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Speaker 1: really the peak rut hasn't kicked off yet, or are

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Speaker 1: you hunting what should be the peak rut. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: just really hooping it up in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 1: but during daylight hours they're making noise. Let's start with early. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what are some places that bulls will go by themselves.

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Speaker 1: One of them is wallows. Now in areas where a

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Speaker 1: a wallow is essentially a perfume factory for a bull elk.

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Speaker 1: During the rut, what they do is they urinate in

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Speaker 1: when they run into that herd, they look beefed up,

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Speaker 1: they smell good, and they're gonna take those ladies. But

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Speaker 1: And that is the key, because when you set up

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Speaker 1: a downhill wind and you want to start calling below

430
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: the bull. A lot of times you'll find that if

431
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: you're below and elk calling and he is a dominant elk,

432
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: he will actually call a lot back to you, but

433
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: he won't actually come into you most of the time.

434
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: There's the occasional time they do. But when you get

435
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,959
Speaker 1: that dominant bull on the move and then get above him.

436
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: It pisces him off. So I'm gonna go through the

437
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: calling techniques to get that bull to that piste off point.

438
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: So it's gonna work when you get it to the top.

439
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: You put in all that energy hiking chasing after him.

440
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you do the right sequence

441
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: to get him to turn around more often than not.

442
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: So it starts out like this. Let's say the scenario

443
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: is you call, he calls, You call, he calls. You're

444
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: below him, the wind's going downhill. You've got the right

445
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: set up. You're gonna want him to push those elk

446
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: up hill, those cows uphill because they don't really like

447
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: to go uphill. It's physically exhausting. He's gonna be running

448
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: around a lot, and he knows that's what's gonna put

449
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: him in a bad mental state when you get to

450
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: the top. When I start out at a further distance,

451
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: I like to sound small from a distance and sound

452
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: big as I get closer. There's a reason for that.

453
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: It's the mental game in his head. As he's pushing

454
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: those elk, you want him to constantly scream back, I'm

455
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: the boss. I'm the boss. But as you get closer,

456
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: you want him to doubt what's happening. You want to

457
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: now tell the elk the cows around him that you're

458
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: the boss. You're the boss. Do you want him to

459
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: get brazen from a distance and then be bold as

460
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: you get closer. So let's say it like this, the

461
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: elks start moving call, I'm doing more simple, drawn out bugles,

462
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: not a lot of emphasis into it. To start. I'll

463
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: let him build up. My first aggressive bugle is going

464
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: to be as he's clearly moving in the direction I want,

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I'll start the chuckling sequence. Your hope is, and it

466
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: will probably happen, is that bull starts chuckling back. Now,

467
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: this scenario works when the elker kind of in a frenzy,

468
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: you'll hear a lot of cow calling. You hear that

469
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: bull bugling, And that's how you're gonna be able to

470
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: stay on these elk and follow him. As I get closer,

471
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start throwing cow calls in the bulls distance

472
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: through my bugles and bugles away from the bull. The

473
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: reason is is I want him to believe that there

474
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: are cows. Like let's say we're getting towards the top

475
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: third of the hill. I want him to think Okay,

476
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: there's still cows back there and the bulls behind. I

477
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: want him to believe that the bulls further away than

478
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: I actually am, because what that's gonna do is that's

479
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: going to slow him down. He's gonna try to keep

480
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a certain distance from me. But if he thinks the

481
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: bulls further away, that allows me time to catch up. Also,

482
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: if he thinks there's cows where I'm at, that might

483
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: give him the idea of okay, I still have things

484
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: to round up. Now, the play really comes in when

485
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: you get to the top. Once you get over the top,

486
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: he's lost whatever elk might have been behind. This is

487
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: the point where I now throw out cow calls at

488
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: the top, but switch the rolls. I throw the cow

489
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: calls back behind me so he thinks the cows are

490
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: further away. My first bugle over the top is going

491
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: to be the meanest, hardest bugle I can do. I'm

492
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: talking a type of bugle. And when you both through

493
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: the bugle tube, it's like someone kicked you in the nuts.

494
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: If you don't have nuts, it's like you're kicking someone

495
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: else in the nuts. The reason is is because you

496
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: want him to believe that now this bowl is between

497
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: him and his cows. He has the upper hand by

498
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: being above him, and he is piste and claiming that

499
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: herd any bowl in his right mind that doesn't want

500
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: to lose his cows is now going to turn around

501
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: and try to push you off or fight this other

502
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 1: intruder off. You're at the top of the hill and

503
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: you're just gonna go. It doesn't even matter what really

504
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: the call sounds like at the top, as long as

505
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: it sounds piste like elk feel that feeling. So I'm

506
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna throw the cow calls back behind me, and then

507
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let out just something throwing some voice

508
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: inflections and just sound angry. I mean by this point

509
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: that the real bolts throat might be cracking. He's gonna

510
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: sound weird. It's okay, it doesn't matter. Just sound angry.

511
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: At that point that bowl below you should not like that,

512
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: and you'll know he'll turn around and he'll either comes

513
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: straight in or he'll let out a similar bugle, start

514
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: raking and then come in. That is your setup where

515
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that bowl. If you've made it to

516
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: that point, congratulations, my friend. You just dog that elk

517
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: now over the past month or so, I've been really

518
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: diving into some really good ways to call in elk,

519
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: from bugling and building that escalation to creating a party

520
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of cows sounds. And when I was

521
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: talking about that cow party, I also talked about making

522
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: noises noises that sound like elk. So outside of those

523
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: vocal bugles, muse cow calls, bull calls, there's a lot

524
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: of non vocal sounds that are extremely important to drawing

525
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: in a bull and maybe the difference between having a

526
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: bull hang up and bringing him right into bow range.

527
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: Things like breaking a tree, stomping the dirt, glunking, and

528
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: other non verbal sounds, even going as far as taking

529
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: a leak on the ground. We're gonna bring it back

530
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: to episode six and I'm gonna teach you how to

531
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: entice a bull with those other sounds that elk love

532
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: to make. I think a lot of people make a

533
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: big mistake by when they're calling, they're quiet. They're quiet

534
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: back here, and the only sounds they're making are coming

535
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: from the calls. But that's not what it sounds like.

536
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: When you get into a herd of elk, there's a

537
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: lot going on. There's stick snapping, there's elk raking. There's

538
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sounds and noises that not only bode

539
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: confidence that this is actually another elk, but there's sounds

540
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: and noises that they used throughout the running process that

541
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: do a number of things that incite other elk to

542
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: have to come check it out. And that includes marking

543
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: their territory, releasing pheromones, as well as talking in a

544
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: way that isn't bugling or mewing to each other. That

545
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: means certain things, especially during the rut, that means things

546
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: like this cow's hot or I'm ready to breed, and

547
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: those are the kind of noises that other bulls cannot

548
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: resist because that's when the action is going down. A

549
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: big bull does not want to miss out on breeding account.

550
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't also not want another bull to be into

551
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: his turf. He wants to think that this is his zone,

552
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: these are his cows, everything is owned by him, and

553
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: all intruders should be beat up. That's what you want,

554
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: because that's what's gonna draw that bull in that extra distance.

555
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: If you're bow hunting and some thicker stuff, you might

556
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: need to get that bull to come within ten yards

557
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: of your shooter just to even be able to see it,

558
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: and that's a lot of times the difference between being

559
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: successful or just getting a bull to hold up twenty

560
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: yards away. These other sounds, a lot of times incite

561
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: something in a bull's brain that makes them say, I

562
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: need to get over there, I need to fight. This

563
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: needs to be a confrontation, not just a screaming match.

564
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: So what I want to do is just talk about

565
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: the different sounds when and how to use them. I

566
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: think the first sound that I have to talk about,

567
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: because it's one that I use nearly every time I'm

568
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: interacting with the bull is raking. Now, raking is well,

569
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: white tails do it, mule deer do it. All dear

570
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: species do some form of raking, but elk in particular,

571
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: when you're calling back and forth, they'll rake their territory marking.

572
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: What it does is releases their scent onto a tree,

573
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: but also creates a visual marking, and it's a display

574
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: of dominance. So a lot of times you'll be calling

575
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: to a bull and maybe you might be a long

576
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: ways away, you might not even notice that that bull

577
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: is raking in between calling back and forth to you.

578
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: So the way a bull rakes is it's pretty loud,

579
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: and it's pretty vicious. He tries to kill that tree,

580
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: and I do the same. Then after I rake, I

581
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: let out a bugle because I've seen elk do that

582
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: in the wild more often than not, So it works

583
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: like this most of the time. I start the raking

584
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: sequence when I get in and the bulls already fired up.

585
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: When he's fired up, that's when he wants to show

586
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: his dominance. So I pretend like I'm showing my dominance

587
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: here as well. I'm saying, no, this is my area

588
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: and not your area. I'll generally take a big stick

589
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: and I try to find a tree that's live, because

590
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the sound is a little bit different if you find

591
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: use dead branches. So I get a big stick and

592
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I just scrape it up and down, thrashing this tree.

593
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Just imagine in your head a bull raking at tree,

594
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: and then do the same with a stick. Sometimes I've

595
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: even used my bugle tube for it. It makes not

596
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: the same sound. A big stick is the best. I

597
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: get it up against the base and I rake down.

598
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: You really want to create the illusion by scraping down

599
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: the tree. Scraping up and down if you just hit

600
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: the outside of the branches is not the same get

601
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: to the base of the tree scrape, because the bull

602
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: gets in there, gets close to the tree, is foreheads

603
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: rubbing up against it. His sense getting on that tree,

604
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: his antlers are tearing it apart. You want to try

605
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: to mimic that sound as best as possible. Now, as

606
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: soon as I'm done raking, I often let out an

607
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: aggressive bugle followed by chuckles. That seems to be what

608
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I've noticed real elk doing right after they scrape a tree.

609
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: But that sound is something that causes the bull to

610
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: want to come in and investigate, like who's marking my territory?

611
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Is this a small bull? He wants to see what's

612
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: going on and why this bull is marking up his turf. Okay,

613
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: so one side note about raking. It depends on the

614
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: scenario because you've got to think of it like this.

615
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: In the wild, when a bull is raking, other bulls

616
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: will come and investigate. So you need to decide whether

617
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: you want to be the bull that investigates or you

618
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: want to be the bull that has the other bull

619
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: come investigate you. A lot of times when you rake

620
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: another bowl rake, or if I hear a bull raking

621
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: after he bugles I'll wait maybe thirty seconds and then

622
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: start raking on my own. Every scenario is different, but

623
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: when a bull is raking, they're often distracted. If you

624
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: know that he might be pulled away from the cows

625
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: and there's not other eyes, that's the moment you want

626
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: to run in because you could probably get a shot

627
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: or close the gap while he's raking. So you have

628
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: to think of raking in two ways. When he's raking,

629
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: you can be the bull that goes to him, or

630
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: when you're raking, you might be in a scenario where

631
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: you can't risk going to him. You need him to

632
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: come to you. A few years ago, my buddy John

633
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: and I were hunting in Nevada. We had a bull

634
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: raking and it was one of those deals where we

635
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: kind of held back and we should have ran in.

636
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: It turns out as a giant bowl, and he had

637
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: just come to us, raked up a tree, and he

638
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: never committed the rest of the way. So that's something.

639
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: When you get a bull to actually start raking, he

640
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: might just mark that territory say I've done it and

641
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. So you have to really play

642
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: it situationally, whether you want to be the bull that

643
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: goes to him, or he's the bull that comes to you.

644
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Just because he doesn't come to you doesn't mean that

645
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't think you're an elk. It just means that

646
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: maybe he was expecting the exact opposite from you. So

647
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: maybe his raking scared you away if you're a real elk.

648
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: So you have to think of it like that and

649
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: play it per scenario. But there are certain instances where

650
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: the bull will not come in because he believes he's

651
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: more dominant and you might have a better opportunity at

652
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: him if you are the one that moves to that bowl.

653
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about some of the other sounds. There's

654
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: a term that elk callers used. They call it glunking,

655
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: and that's a really weird sound. It's often done through

656
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: the bugle tube. But what this sound is, I've seen

657
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: it many times in the wild, and these ideas are

658
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: just from the way that I've seen elk using this sound.

659
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: It seems to me like this sound is a sound

660
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: that bulls make to communicate to a hot cow. Every

661
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: time I've seen it, generally it's a bowl running with

662
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: his nose right up the butt of a cow, or

663
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: pushing a cow around or just trying to talk to

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: one cow. This sound isn't a bugle it's more of

665
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: like a popping noise through a bugle tube. Or so

666
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: I'll make it a sound through my bugle tube. Some people.

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00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: The first time I learned to make this sound was

668
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: just hitting the end of the bugle tube. So I'll

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00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: give you an example speaking and just kind of get

670
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: it in your head what this sound might sound like.

671
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: So just hitting the bugle tube. I think it sounds

672
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: better if you just do it with your your voice,

673
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: where you get a h When I've seen that sound,

674
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: that's generally means that a bull has a hot cow. Now,

675
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: if you do that sound in a herd where a

676
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: bull won't commit, he's going to run in because when

677
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: a cow gets hot, he wants to be in on

678
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: that action. He's gonna push whatever is on that cow away.

679
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: That sound really works well when they're fired up and

680
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: he believes that there's a hot cow in the area. Now,

681
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: another sound that I hear a lot is just a

682
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: heavy breathing. It's more of I'm here, I'm dominant, and

683
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: I don't even need to bugle you. You're a bit.

684
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: This is the I don't even know if there's a

685
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: name for this sound, but I've heard it a lot

686
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: of times. It's a breathing sound that raises the hair

687
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 1: on the back of your neck and often happens when

688
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: a bull is within thirty yards. Doing this sound back

689
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: really establishes your dominance and it's a good way to

690
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: get that bull to try to commit. So this is

691
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: more of a heavy breathing noise where he's just piste

692
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: off and breathing hard. It's like lunking, but to a bull,

693
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: not to a cow. It's just heavy breathing. It's kind

694
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: of like a a snort wease for a white tail.

695
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: If you heard that, like and it's just a bull

696
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: piste in another bull and he's so close he knows

697
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't need to bule And a lot of times

698
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: that sound will incite the bull to fight. And if

699
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: a bull makes that sound, you know, I would say

700
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: he's within thirty yards of where you're calling from. So

701
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: that's something to keep in mind. If you hear that sound,

702
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: be ready, that bull is really close now if he

703
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: doesn't come into that sound. I picked up this trick

704
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: from one of the first outfitters I worked for up

705
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: in the Swan Valley of Montana, real thick country in there,

706
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: and one day he was just some of the best

707
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: elk calling advice I ever got. It's when you call

708
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: a bull, you visualize yourself as that bull. You have

709
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: to get piste off, you have to get fired up.

710
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: You become that elk. And he's like, you know how

711
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: many times you think about when an elk comes in,

712
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: what's the first thing he does? He gets there, he

713
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: rips up a tree's pissing all over himself. You have

714
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: to be that bull. So he says, you know, I'll

715
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: even be calling and I'll just start peeing on the ground.

716
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I got, really And then the first time I tried it,

717
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: I pulled the bull right through the small patch of conifers.

718
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: I actually had a water bladder at the time, pop

719
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: the tube off the hose and started pouring it on

720
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the ground, and that bowl just came in fired up.

721
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: It's those little sounds of here's another bull marking his

722
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: territory in my zone. Now that that sound is a

723
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: sound that you would make when you know that bulls within.

724
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: I would say thirty yards that that range, that he's

725
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna hear it, and he's gonna believe that you're marking

726
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: your territory. There's a hot cow in there, combined with

727
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: some of the other sounds, the glunking and the raking,

728
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: and so that oftentimes when they're close and they won't

729
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm that extra little bit of distance is a noise

730
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: you can make. They will just send them over the

731
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: edge and cause them to come in and looking for

732
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: a fight. And a lot of times that's the difference

733
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: between you telling your buddies, Man, I had that bowl

734
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: right there. He was just twenty yards on the other

735
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: side of some trees, but I couldn't I couldn't move.

736
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: I was pegged down. I couldn't get that bowl to

737
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: come in any closer. Well, try some of these other sounds,

738
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: because a lot of these sounds are the sounds that

739
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: are gonna get that bowl to come right into your

740
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: lap and give you that shot you might not otherwise get.

741
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I really hope that through the course of this elk

742
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: series you've learned something about the behaviors of elk and

743
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: really wrapped your mind around different possibilities, different opportunities to

744
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: hunt from wallows, through bugling, cow calling, raking trees, and

745
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: even just setting up and understanding what moves to make

746
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: when elk do a certain thing. Now, a lot of

747
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: this is going to make a lot more sense as

748
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: you get out into the field and you start running

749
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: into the saw areas and give these tactics a really

750
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: good try. I'm really looking forward to hearing how everybody

751
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: does this fall. I know last year a lot of

752
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: the tips we throw out there, people came back and

753
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: said this worked, and I got a lot of success pictures.

754
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: Please send me those success pictures. Tell me those stories.

755
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I love to hear how these kind of things have

756
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: helped you. I'm really excited with this thing that we've

757
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: built out for elk hunting. You know, maybe you don't

758
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: have an elk hunt planned this year, that's perfect. This

759
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: is a great time now to start thinking about it,

760
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: start thinking on these tactics and start planning, maybe start

761
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: scouting and finding areas. So it's it's something to think

762
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: about for the future. But for those of you out

763
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: in the field this September, I really hope that you

764
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: can take some of these tactics and find success. Like

765
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I say, I'd love to hear about it. Also, if

766
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: you think about it, give us a great rating on

767
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000
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00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,640
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00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: aren't already subscriber. I really appreciate that. I think that

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00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: throughout the course of this hunting season there's gonna be

771
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: a lot more stuff that you find useful. Also, on

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00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: the terms of useful, next week, I'm just gonna answer

773
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: the things that you think are going to be useful.

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be diving into a, Q and A,

775
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna jump into some other topics that

776
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: I think are going to be very useful for the fall.

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Speaker 1: That's all. That is a rap for our Elk series

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00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: until next week. Bugle on Garth Bugle on