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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Hot.

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Speaker 2: Pursuit, and uh, you are back state side, so I'm

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Speaker 2: back state side.

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited to hear about your time in Rome,

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Speaker 3: mainly because I want to hear about Ola, but also

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Speaker 3: about the car that you were driving, the c LA,

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Speaker 3: and you also have wrangled us a pretty awesome interview

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Speaker 3: for today.

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Speaker 1: Stefan Winkelman or Stephen Winkleman defending you say it the

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Speaker 1: German way.

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Speaker 3: I do, And but he's actually from Italy.

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Speaker 4: So Berlin. Well he's but also Berlin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wait, wait we so he grew up in Italy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he was born at Charity and then he grew

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Speaker 3: up in Rome. Yeah, so he has a German sounding name,

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Speaker 3: but he's like actually an Italian dude. And of course

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Speaker 3: he's always worked with like German companies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and we should say he's the CEO and chairman

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Speaker 1: and CEO of Lamborghini and has been for many years now,

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Speaker 1: so he's really kind of indelible with the brand in

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Speaker 3: He was there for a while and then he left

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Speaker 3: and then he came back. So there was uh Winkleman

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Speaker 3: in one point. Oh, and then when he left Domenicali

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Speaker 3: step Stephan Domenicali ran Lamborghini. Then now he's running F

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Speaker 3: one and then and Winkleman was running Bugatti.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: For a while, remember when Winkleman was running Bugatti and

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Speaker 1: Lamborghini at the same time.

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Speaker 4: Yes, which seems like a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now he's just at Lamborghini again, which feels like really

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Speaker 3: Exactly, And to me it feels like that too. But

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Speaker 3: I think he enjoyed this time at Bugatti, and I

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Speaker 3: got to drive some Bugattis with him at the track,

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Speaker 3: which was lucky. Pretty I've driven Lamborghini's with him at

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Speaker 3: the track and I've driven Bugatties with him at the track.

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Speaker 4: So he was driving and you were in the passenger

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: How good a driver was he?

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Speaker 3: He is? I think he's more concerned with the business,

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Speaker 3: of course than the but I mean he's you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously he's a better driver than I am, because I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just curious if he was like very aggressive,

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Speaker 3: No. I think, well, when you're driving a Bugatti, certainly

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Speaker 3: your first order of business is not wrecking it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't wreck the car, you know, it's number one.

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Speaker 4: And that was the rubber down and the steal up.

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Speaker 3: That was on a pretty tight track in Germany. The Lamborghini.

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Speaker 3: I went to drive the evented Door Svo with him

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Speaker 5: Wreck that either.

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Speaker 1: I've said this before, but I have this one great

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Speaker 1: saw him in a Bugatti with someone else who was

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Speaker 4: It was great.

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Speaker 3: Probably his wife. She's very beautiful. She's like supermodel. Like

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Speaker 3: when you see her, you're like, oh my god, she's famous.

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Speaker 1: But you like coler than me, Yes, I know, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I love a woman who's coller than me.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 3: So and anyway, you were just in Rome. This is

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Speaker 3: not the time that you saw Stephan Winkleman, but you

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Speaker 3: were just in Rome with Ola Collenius, who runs the

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Speaker 1: Yes he's actually Swedish speaking of countries, but I would Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was with Ola and we took a drive in

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Speaker 1: the New CLA Sedan, which is Mercedes entry level sedan.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be the most affordable car that they

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Speaker 1: really interesting because they are choosing to develop all this

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Speaker 1: They're putting truly this supercomputer that they've developed in house

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Speaker 1: it actually had some great defining lines. The grills very cool,

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Speaker 3: That's good to hear. And yeah, man, there's never been

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Speaker 3: a better time to go straight after Tesla, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: I mean they couldn't have planned it better.

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Speaker 3: There can be some some would be buyers that are

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Speaker 3: that's cool that you that you liked it, and that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is I think it's step. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a it's not it's not a massive change, but I

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Speaker 1: The ship is slowly turning. And the other interesting thing

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Speaker 3: Right, there's like Scout, Scout did the same pivot, right, yes,

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Speaker 3: you mention it. I'm looking at the CLA, the older CLA,

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Speaker 3: But I've been noticing Audi's on the road that if

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Speaker 1: I know, especially the big sedans and the subs.

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Speaker 1: It actually makes it pretty difficult to review them because,

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Speaker 3: All right, well, let's get into our interview with Stephan Winklman,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of Lamborghini.

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Speaker 4: It's such an.

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Speaker 1: Honor as always to talk with you, mister Stephen Winkleman,

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Speaker 1: the chairman and CEO of Automobile Lamborghini, and you come

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Speaker 1: with happy tidings. I know you guys have just released

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Speaker 1: earnings for twenty twenty four. Can you just give us

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Speaker 1: a top overview. It looks like you have a very

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Speaker 5: Yes, in fact, today is a very good day.

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Speaker 6: We are announcing again a record year for the year

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Speaker 5: The turnover for the first time is exceeding that.

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Speaker 6: Three billion, with approximately three point one billion euro with

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Speaker 6: an operating profit of eight hundred and thirty five Also,

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Speaker 6: this is a record high. And also the deliveries to

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Speaker 5: And also your record high.

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Speaker 6: The ROS is at twenty seven percent, so we are

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Speaker 6: well established and this again is not something we are

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Speaker 6: We are doing it by having a solid order bank,

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Speaker 6: which time being is lasting one and a half years.

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Speaker 5: So exclusivity scarcity is the talk of the day.

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Speaker 6: And it's also about all the lineup renewed and this

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Speaker 6: is that's a good sign for the future of LOM

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Speaker 6: Can I ask?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just want to ask about the breakdown.

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Speaker 3: So ten thousand, more than ten thousand cars, and how

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Speaker 6: We have about the US is a bit more than

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Speaker 5: Fifty to fifty between the two.

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Speaker 6: Let's say type of cars, the supercars on one end

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Speaker 4: I think that's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the breakdown since

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Speaker 1: we're talking about breakdowns of hybrids versus combustion engines. Of course,

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Speaker 5: I think that.

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Speaker 6: Now speaking the twentieth March, twentieth of March and twenty five,

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Speaker 6: the decisions we talk in the last years were the

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Speaker 6: Done what, in my opinion, was the right approach, not

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Speaker 6: The next step would be by the end of the

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Speaker 6: decade we have an additional card, which would be then

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Speaker 6: the first full electric car, and I think by that

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Speaker 6: time it's okay we have three plug in hybrids so

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Speaker 6: with strong combustion engines like the BE twelve and the

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Speaker 6: good roundup of our product range.

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Speaker 3: By the way, with the fully electric vehicle be one

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Speaker 3: of the supercars or do you think you could put

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Speaker 3: out a fully electric suv first?

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Speaker 6: No, the idea is to have something which is neither

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Speaker 6: nor no. We will not go into the supercars and

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Speaker 6: not an suv. We are planning what is missing in

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Speaker 6: our lineup, which is a gt A two plus two,

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Speaker 6: which is the classic no car which every exclusive or

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Speaker 5: You have to see that in average.

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Speaker 6: Our customers have around ten cars, so it's never the

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Speaker 5: We look very carefully in the size of the market

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Speaker 5: And then when I look back since COVID.

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Speaker 6: I think that our approach on exclusivity and scarcity is what,

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Speaker 1: How closely are you guys looking at not wanting to

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Speaker 6: Which might have the same size that we have. For sure,

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Speaker 6: expect from us.

445
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 5: If we are the best. It is not mean to decide.

446
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well makes sense to me.

447
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's interesting as we move forward

448
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: into the ev world. You're right, there is a space

449
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: for a very emotional combustion engine or even hybrid type

450
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: of car that is just completely different than the EV.

451
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 6: Yes, but also the EV the future has to get

452
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 6: this emotionalization which today is missing in the electric Carris I.

453
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: Was going to add, if that's possible, you think that's

454
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: possible that we have so I.

455
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 6: Think that with the new software, with the the technology,

456
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 6: with the power output, a lot can be done.

457
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 5: We are working on it. We are driving a lot of.

458
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 6: Electric cars to see how they behave and how the

459
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 6: strategy is inside the cars to translate the electric behavior

460
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 6: and something typical for the different brands, and we are

461
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 6: looking into it and we will find out a way.

462
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 6: And we have now a four to five years time

463
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 6: and I think that this is what the time we need.

464
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 6: And I also think that not starting with the supercars,

465
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 6: but starting with the car which is yes, very performance oriented,

466
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 6: but differently a performance oriented like the works on Tibetario,

467
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 6: is the right approach.

468
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 3: You have that big ball behind you. This is an

469
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: audio podcast, so people can't see, but you're sitting in

470
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: front of a huge a picture of a huge ball.

471
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: And I hope that Lamborghinis a race. I hope is

472
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: always going to be a living, breathing, kind of unpredictable animal.

473
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: That's the that's what you want from a Lamborghini. I

474
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: want to know. I have a few like weird questions. Colors.

475
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: I always think of Lamborghini as having some of the

476
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: most interesting and exciting colors, right, I like to see

477
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: a Lamborghini in an acid green or in almost like

478
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: an offensive orange, or you know, a purple that you

479
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: don't normally see a car. How do you choose your colors?

480
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 3: Which colors are the most popular for you? And how

481
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: do you go about the paint because I know you

482
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: used to do some of it in Necker Zoom and

483
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: some of it down the road, and now you've put

484
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: a new facility in Santa Agata.

485
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: Oh you know that we don't have one color Lamborghini

486
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 6: which is the typical Lamborghini car. Yes, it was a

487
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 6: lot of plague and yellow. These were back in time,

488
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 6: let's say, the two colors which were ready finding Lamborghinian.

489
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 6: But when the Mura came out in the sixties, orange

490
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: green and yellow, those which were at that time almost

491
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 6: impossible to find another car. So this was a bit

492
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: the blueprint of what we did or what we're doing

493
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 6: since then. Today we have four hundred different colors you

494
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 6: can pick, but not only you can also create your

495
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 6: own color. We have colors which are combined, so we

496
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 6: have fading colors which are going from one type of

497
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 6: color into the next. So this is something which in

498
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 6: my opinion on Doamborghini does much more than all the

499
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 6: other manufacturers together. And yes, we have our paint job

500
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 6: which was very important for us as a game changer,

501
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: and we are very happy about this and we are

502
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 6: continuously helping new colors because the point is that if

503
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 6: we speak about colors, we also speak about individualization of

504
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 6: our cars.

505
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 5: And the individualization is one of the things which the

506
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: customer us want the most.

507
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 6: On top of what they choose as a type of car,

508
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 6: they want a car which is very unique. And here

509
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 6: the bottleneck is Lamborghini because the complexity and the development

510
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 6: of all the additional opportunities is not something which we

511
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 6: can do just by flipping a coin, but it's something

512
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 6: which takes time and also investments, and it has to

513
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 6: be then translated into something which is let's say, commercially

514
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 6: translate into a car which is coming out at the

515
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: end of the line, which is the car you wanted.

516
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 6: So it's a very complex world. We are constantly investing

517
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 6: more in this, and especially when we have limited numbers

518
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 6: because the segment is so small.

519
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 5: This is a good and not.

520
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 6: Only for the customers but also for us in terms

521
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 6: of margin.

522
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: Is there one color though that people today?

523
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 5: Yes, you ask me about the favors.

524
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 8: I have to say inside all of this, the guitars,

525
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 8: which are the most taken is very black. These are

526
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 8: the oh no, guys have the highest amount in terms

527
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 8: of penetration.

528
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: I want orange and green, and we need to get

529
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: some in like green and orange to get the numbers up.

530
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: To something at least just to buy three one hit

531
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: one green and orange.

532
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this is actually a car where I Lamborghini

533
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: is a brand where I think white sometimes works. So

534
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: you had the so my everyone knows my favorite car

535
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: is the Event to door, But you had this coontash

536
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: kind of anniversary model, the LPI eight hundred right that

537
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: you put out in I think twenty twenty two, and

538
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: it looks beautiful, beautiful and white. I was wondering how

539
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: that experience was for Lamborghini because I've thought, you know,

540
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: it would be cool to have a throwback Mura as well,

541
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: or you know some other you know Diablo. I know

542
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: Hannah loves the Diablo, so like, have you thought about

543
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: taking a piece that market before some other singer like

544
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: company you know, takes a piece of that from you.

545
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 6: I hear message here because for me it was okay

546
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 6: to do the con touch it with.

547
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: A great success.

548
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 6: We sold the cars really in the blink of an eye.

549
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 6: And I also think it was the right approach because

550
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 6: the Mura is representing the DNA of the brand. In

551
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 6: terms of designs over the kept forward with the scissor doors,

552
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 6: with the layout, having the the gearbox in the middle

553
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 6: so in the tunnel between the driver and the passenger,

554
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 6: and having the mid twelfth also here and a typical

555
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 6: Lamborghini longitudinally mounted in the back of the car.

556
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 5: So this was and sill is really big in terms.

557
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 6: Of DNA and therefore were But I also have to

558
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 6: say that Bmborghini is forward thinking.

559
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 5: So I always ask myself.

560
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 6: And all my people we have to be innovators, not

561
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 6: only in terms of technology, but also in terms of design.

562
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 6: There must be some elements of ideas which are remembering

563
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 6: that we are a Burghini, but I asked.

564
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: Them, when they look when a customer.

565
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 6: Or a new kid is looking back to our period

566
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 6: of time in thirty years from now and they see

567
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 6: what we did the Mura at the yard blow and

568
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 6: so on and so forth, they would say they were

569
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 6: running out of ideas because they were not innovative anymore.

570
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 6: And this is what, in my opinion, is also the

571
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 6: key element not only for our bread but also of

572
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 6: our cars. So always to be trendsetters and ahead of

573
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 6: the time in every sense in terms of technology.

574
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: But also especially in terms of design.

575
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 3: All right, that was Stettnwinelmann. It's always it really is

576
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: great to talk to him. And I mean, I feel

577
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: like it's hard for me to be impartial. Everyone knows

578
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: I love Lamborghini's, but I do try and maintain I

579
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: do try and maintain some element of impartiality.

580
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the thing about Lamborghini's is they're definitely

581
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: not for everybody, and they're certainly not for every situation.

582
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 4: You know, it's very.

583
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Strong flavor and sometimes you don't want that. And that's

584
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: that's not a quality or a character judgment. It's just

585
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: this is a very specific car specific tool that's not

586
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: really suitable for every situation.

587
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: This is not a Swiss armon knife.

588
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: The ones that are not for every situation, I like

589
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: them even better, right, I prefer those to the ones

590
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 3: like the ours. You could use it for almost anything,

591
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: and I don't like it as much as I like

592
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: an eventa door or a hurricane Sterrato. So in any case,

593
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: great to get some time with him. And I would

594
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: definitely take orange if I had to choose any Lamborghini color.

595
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: Orange just then I still like white.

596
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: So uh and the kon By the way, did you

597
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: google the kuontash when we were talking about it? The Couontash,

598
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: I think it's the uh two exactly, Yeah.

599
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: Their reimagination of it. I remember seeing that car in

600
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 4: Tebble deeep.

601
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the LPI eight hundred dash four. That's basically the

602
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: evented or rebodied as.

603
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: A Cuontash, Right, And you know that car wasn't especially

604
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: welcomed universally when it came out. There were a plenty

605
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: of people, at least among the journalistic ranks, who thought,

606
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: why are we doing this? You know, it's it's just

607
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: rehashing old things.

608
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 4: But I liked it. I had no problem with it.

609
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: It looked cool.

610
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: I love it.

611
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: Obviously, if one of.

612
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: The one hundred and twelve people that got one doesn't

613
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: want it, I would be happy to take it.

614
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the cool thing would be to have both

615
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: the old one and the new one.

616
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: I don't really like the old Coontash. I mean, it's

617
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: what no, I don't. I don't because I look at

618
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: it and it looks like that is an uncomfortable car

619
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: to sit in in a difficult car to drive. And

620
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. I think some people who've had

621
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: them have said it's great fun to drive. I think

622
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: Doug DeMuro says.

623
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: That you like you like driving tractors.

624
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, the team. The two people I know for

625
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: sure that have Kuontash's Matt Farrah and Doug DeMuro. And

626
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how either one of those guys fits

627
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: in Lamborghini.

628
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: Coon Tosh kind of roll in.

629
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 5: Yo.

630
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to We have one more show

631
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: before I go, But next week I'm going to go

632
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: to Moto GP in Austin, and I've been watching. There

633
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: have been two race weekends thus far in the new season,

634
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: and I think there's some interesting parallels and real differences

635
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: between what's going on in Moto GP and Ferrari in

636
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: that the goat like arguably the greatest drivers of all

637
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: time have switched into a red brand. Right, So in

638
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: Formula one Lewis Hamilton, who I'm not saying he is

639
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: the best ever, but you could make an argument that

640
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 3: he is, okay.

641
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: Besides Macher, but yes he is the best ever. I'm

642
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: counting championship okay, So.

643
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: But he's driving a Ferrari, which is, you know, the

644
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: like ultimate brand I think in Formula one, Formula one

645
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: and in in Moto GP, Mark Marquez is could you

646
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: there's an argument that he's the greatest ever. A lot

647
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: of people will say Valentino Rossi and then there are

648
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: you know, jockam Augustini or whatever. They are older people

649
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: like Fongio type drivers that some would argue. But in

650
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: any case, you could make an argument. And he's driving

651
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: a Ducatti now, I mean he's driving a factory Ducatti now,

652
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: so those are the similarities. The difference is Mark Marquez

653
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: has absolutely dominated now that he's in a factory bike.

654
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: He's won the pole position both weekends, he's won the

655
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: sprint race both weekends, and he's won the main race

656
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: both weekends and he's made it look like child's play.

657
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a point in the first race

658
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: where he was worried that his tire pressure would be

659
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: too low because they have regulations about the PSI. So

660
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: he let his brother pass him for a while for

661
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: like ten laps, and then nearing the end of the

662
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: race he pulled back ahead and won. And then I

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Speaker 3: don't really watch Formula One because to me, whenever I try,

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Speaker 3: it seems kind of boring. They don't pass enough.

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Speaker 1: I don't like there are there are there. There is

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Speaker 1: certainly passing. I mean it's not as much passing as

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Speaker 1: Moto GP.

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Speaker 3: But but but Hamilton has not apparently did not dominate

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Speaker 3: or really show serious promise.

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Speaker 1: And this super young guy who replaced Hamilton at Mercedes

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Speaker 1: Antonelli did amazing. He got fourth, He just missed making

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Speaker 1: the podium and he, I believe, is eighteen, which is wild.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, I like Hamilton.

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Speaker 1: I think he's really a statesman for the sport, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately maybe he's the elder statesman at this point. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's spoken until he's blue in the face about

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Speaker 1: how age isn't a thing for him.

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Speaker 4: But this has got to be so disappointing.

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Speaker 3: He's ten in this In fact, Lecleric is eighth. So

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Speaker 3: the other guy on the other side of the garage

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Speaker 3: is doing better. And my question, I don't know enough

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Speaker 3: about the sport to answer, but is this just growing pains?

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Speaker 3: Is he just getting used to the car and is

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Speaker 3: it going to be like, you know, next year he'll

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Speaker 3: dominate or at the end of this year he's going

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Speaker 3: to start like winning every race or going on the

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Speaker 3: podium every time, or all of those.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure all of those things apply. But at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, mister replacement, Antonelli also had to

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Speaker 1: get used to a new car and just completely completely

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Speaker 1: showed everyone. You know, at this point, this is not

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Speaker 1: a new sport to Lewis Hamilton. He's not new here.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of time to get used

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Speaker 1: to the car and learn, you know.

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Speaker 3: He but he has just as much time as Antonelli had, right.

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Speaker 4: He has just as much time as anyone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, think how much of a statement

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Speaker 1: it would have been if he came out and made

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Speaker 1: the podium in the first race for Ferrari. That would

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Speaker 1: have been just a resounding clap back to everyone who

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Speaker 1: said he's too old or whatever, and that didn't happen,

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Speaker 1: So I hope that you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean to be to be to be fair to him.

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Speaker 3: Ferrari isn't the Ducati of Formula one, right, They're not

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Speaker 3: the dominant manufacturer. They haven't, they haven't. They haven't happened

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Speaker 3: for a long time, not recently. But the guy on

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Speaker 3: the other side of the garage did better, you know,

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Speaker 3: as you mentioned, his replacement Antonelli did a lot better.

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Speaker 3: Lance Stroll from Aston Martin did better. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: nine guys did better. So I don't know how to

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Speaker 3: read it, but does this.

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Speaker 4: Make you curious to follow now?

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Speaker 3: Like it does? It's interesting, you know, So Hamilton going

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Speaker 3: to Ferrari and not winning and not even doing as

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Speaker 3: well as his teammate and not doing as well as

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Speaker 3: Lance Stroll and an Aston Martin like that does kind

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Speaker 3: of make me want to watch to see what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Ken Ferrari pull a rabbit out of a hat? Can

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Speaker 3: can Lewis Hamilton come back?

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Speaker 1: I like old guys, you know, champion, he's got it,

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Speaker 1: He's taken punches, he's got to get up one more time.

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Speaker 1: He's on the ropes he's on the mat. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's got to get up again one more time. If

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Speaker 1: he gets up one more time, he will be undisputed

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Speaker 1: the best ever.

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Speaker 4: But he's got to get up.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I look forward to seeing how that

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Speaker 3: turns out. I'm sure Mark Marquez is going to win

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Speaker 3: the sprint and the race in coda.

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Speaker 4: How old is Mark Marquez?

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Speaker 3: I think he's thirty two. Maybe he's not one of

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Speaker 3: the young kids. So as an example, when he came

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Speaker 3: to this team, and also when he came when he

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Speaker 3: went to the team he was racing for last year,

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Speaker 3: they suggested a thumb break because the kids all use

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Speaker 3: thumbreak because they don't use a foot break for the

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Speaker 3: rear rear end. And both times Marcus said, nope, I

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Speaker 3: can't get used to it. I'm not like, you know,

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Speaker 3: an eighteen year old in this sport. And wow, he

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Speaker 3: sticks with the tried and true foot break and he's

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Speaker 3: better at breaking than anyone else.

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Speaker 1: So wow, here here's here's a sports related question. Have

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Speaker 1: you been watching the HBO documentary about the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: I haven't, actually, And you know, the Celtics sold for

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Speaker 3: six point one billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: I did not see that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who bottom the most ever paid for? I think

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Speaker 3: that's the most ever paid for any sports team in America,

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Speaker 3: And it was Who's Who's the guy a private equity guy,

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Speaker 3: Bill Chisholm, William Chisholm, who founded STG Partners. But he's

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Speaker 3: like a Boston native, so cool that he got to

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Speaker 3: take a over.

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Speaker 4: Wow, are you interested in basketball at all?

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Speaker 6: Matter?

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Speaker 3: No, you know what, I love going to basketball games.

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Speaker 3: In terms of live sports to watch, I think basketball

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Speaker 3: would be my favorite after racing. And when I was

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Speaker 3: a kid, I was a huge Lakers fan and I

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Speaker 3: hated the Celtics, but I haven't been watching lately. I

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Speaker 3: did live in Germany for many years, so there was

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Speaker 3: not much in NBA to watch there.

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Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I actually my dad was a big Celtics fan during

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Speaker 1: the Larry Bird era, so you know that that team

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Speaker 1: does have a little log in my memory. It's good

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Speaker 1: if you do end up watching it.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, I think that does it for us

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Speaker 3: this week because we've started talking about basketball. But oh no,

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Speaker 3: We'll be back, same time, same place next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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