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Speaker 1: to get into as we get going here. Uh, Dane
Speaker 1: Brugler put out his top one hundred today. Well, it's
Speaker 1: been sorry, it's been it's been a few days, right,
Speaker 1: debuting the guide. Yeah, when we went with the guide,
Speaker 1: and I want to get into some of the players though.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny that we've talked about a
Speaker 1: lot of names and but but now you have to
Speaker 1: start thinking about, Okay, where do I have these guys,
Speaker 1: where are they ranked, where are they on my board?
Speaker 1: Where would I take them? You know, and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And you know, I find it very interesting,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people feel this way
Speaker 1: about their top fifty one hundred. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people feel that about the way you do about
Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson and the way Quenton Nelson being at number
Speaker 1: one that to me, I it's so it's so unusual
Speaker 1: that you get a guard as your top rank player.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some there's some quality guys at the
Speaker 1: top up of this board. I mean all the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: say what you want, but there's some quality, quality guys
Speaker 1: on this board. But a guard is the number one guy.
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson is a better guard than any other player
Speaker 1: is at his position in this draft. And so that's
Speaker 1: not saying that Quentin Nelson should go number one overall,
Speaker 1: but for me, he is the best football player in
Speaker 1: this draft. And so that's why he's number one, and
Speaker 1: My top four has not changed throughout this process. Quenton
Speaker 1: Nelson won, makea Fitzpatrick two, Bradley Chubb three, and say
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley four. One, two three four has not changed
Speaker 1: for me at all. Those are the top four players
Speaker 1: in this draft in my eyes. Dave he mentioned we
Speaker 1: talked about Nelson going one, Fitzpatrick two, the forgotten man.
Speaker 1: It has been a little bit of a forgotten man.
Speaker 1: It's just it's you get bored of saying the same stuff.
Speaker 1: I think, I really think that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: And he's he's the best dB in this class. He
Speaker 1: has been since December, I mean really since the season
Speaker 1: stuff football season started, but people get tired of talking
Speaker 1: about it. I mean kind of Quintin Nelson, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of you talk about him in terms of how far
Speaker 1: is he gonna fall be the position that he plays.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean Dane said he was the best
Speaker 1: guy in this draft on Show one, and here we
Speaker 1: are on Show thirty whatever or wherever we're at right,
Speaker 1: not much has changed, so um and I think with
Speaker 1: Minka's Patrick, yeah, it's I think it's people they don't
Speaker 1: know where to play him or you know, like they
Speaker 1: get they overthink it a little too little. Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: ask right, well and Jalen who you know, we thought
Speaker 1: he might be best at safety. He played corner his
Speaker 1: last year in Tallahassee, but with Minka he was best
Speaker 1: than the nickel where he was that hybrid safety nickel defender.
Speaker 1: But we've seen him. He can play outside of the corner.
Speaker 1: He's outstanding blitzer. We know he could put. You can
Speaker 1: play him across the secondary anywhere you want. He's going
Speaker 1: to hurt you. So I don't know. Some people will
Speaker 1: say that he's a jack of all trades, master of none. Right,
Speaker 1: he's a jack of all trades, master of all trades. Right,
Speaker 1: he can do it all, which, yeah, to your point
Speaker 1: overthinking it, Just draft him, figure it out later, like
Speaker 1: the rest of your secondary based on what you need whatever.
Speaker 1: So somebody's sitting there, like we talked about the teams,
Speaker 1: like the team's sitting at nine, ten eleven. You know,
Speaker 1: possibility there for him and maybe the value of that
Speaker 1: player to go to. It's like it's like you're saying,
Speaker 1: you know you're getting a top two player at ten eleven.
Speaker 1: Maybe you could well Dane. Yeah, Dane's top two guys,
Speaker 1: I mean the and not that this is always right,
Speaker 1: but like the group think is saying Quenton Nelson doesn't,
Speaker 1: I mean six is the is the earliest he goes.
Speaker 1: And Minka you see him in the seven to twelve
Speaker 1: range two like, and I'll be interested to see if
Speaker 1: the actual league does it the same way. A great
Speaker 1: example is just last year, I mean Corey Davis and
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, like, I mean, they nobody had them going
Speaker 1: as high as they did, not that I remember at least,
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, Dane Dane pegged Minka to the
Speaker 1: Browns at four a long time ago. I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see if that hold, you know, if that happens,
Speaker 1: or does he fall the way the media thinks he will.
Speaker 1: I don't know. In my latest mock, I had or
Speaker 1: the Bills trading up the two with the Giants, and
Speaker 1: so the Giants trading back to twelve, getting Minca Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: at twelve. Nice. And I mean, if you're the Giants,
Speaker 1: you had the number two pick and you get the
Speaker 1: number two player on my board at number twelve, that
Speaker 1: works out planning Collins and in Collins and those guys
Speaker 1: playing the two Alabama guys playing. But okay, why has
Speaker 1: he been a forgotten man? Though? Why why is he?
Speaker 1: But I mean we talked, we talk about trade. Go
Speaker 1: get me, Sroquan Smith, go get me Derwin James. Should
Speaker 1: he be a guy that if he falls to that
Speaker 1: range in twelve or you know, if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: are you interested in going to Buffalo and trying to
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they have the twelve pick. I
Speaker 1: gave them as an example, maybe Miami at eleven, which
Speaker 1: I mean is now is it worth it? Should he
Speaker 1: should he be in the consideration instead of maybe even
Speaker 1: Derwin James. I think he absolutely should. But again it
Speaker 1: goes back to he's kind of the forgotten man in
Speaker 1: the sense that at least I'm speaking only for me,
Speaker 1: but I just assume he'll be gone. I would be
Speaker 1: surprised if he's there, Like a guy's got to get
Speaker 1: past eight nine for me to start thinking about trading.
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine him getting past eight nine. That
Speaker 1: would be crazy to me. Yeah, Is he the slider
Speaker 1: that on Thursday night that we're all gonna be kind
Speaker 1: of looking at each other like somebody's gonna go here, somebody?
Speaker 1: I reserve the right to be wrong, but I oh, no,
Speaker 1: that we're just we're just talking. I think we think
Speaker 1: of him as a potential slider, and I think the
Speaker 1: league is like, no, no, he's gonna he's gonna get
Speaker 1: picked at you know, we didn't think Millie Cooker was
Speaker 1: gonna slide lash. Ye. No, that's what I'm saying. Though
Speaker 1: I would stay as Minka have the red, the injury history,
Speaker 1: no to drive him down. But I think the thing
Speaker 1: with Minka is just the position value. And you know,
Speaker 1: teams are split. Some teams believe he can do it all,
Speaker 1: some teams think he's a nickel only guy, and so
Speaker 1: it just depends on who's picking where and what their
Speaker 1: opinion is of the player in terms of his fit
Speaker 1: and his best position at the Unfell level. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of I'm torn a little bit because I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would trade up, but I like where
Speaker 1: you have him. But I don't think he's one of
Speaker 1: my top three guys. But I just I wonder, I
Speaker 1: wonder if you think he's a top ten guys. I
Speaker 1: have no, absolutely absolutely a top ten guy. But the
Speaker 1: thing that the thing that I'm kind of that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see is once those quarterbacks go Okay,
Speaker 1: Barkley Nelson is he the third could James? I mean,
Speaker 1: could James be the third guy? And then Mika Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: is the fourth guy? You know, as as far as
Speaker 1: you start looking down the order of what if all
Speaker 1: those quarterbacks go early? And that's the point. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what this draft. If you're if you have your quarterback
Speaker 1: right now, if you're the Colts at six, sure shrubs
Speaker 1: another guy. You got to mention there too. These quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are gonna push these good players down into the later
Speaker 1: portion of the top ten into the teams. So a
Speaker 1: lot of these teams that have their quarterback already, they're
Speaker 1: sitting pretty Look at the Browns, they're gonna get their
Speaker 1: quarterback at one. Then either at number if we think
Speaker 1: quarterbacks one, two, three, right, the Giants stay at two
Speaker 1: where they trade out, so there's a good chance a quarterback,
Speaker 1: or the Browns get their quarterback number one and they
Speaker 1: get the top non quarterback in this draft at number four,
Speaker 1: or if they want, they could trade down, stay with
Speaker 1: Buffalo and get the picks twelve and twenty two and
Speaker 1: still a pick number twelve. They're getting a good player,
Speaker 1: because all these quarterbacks are going early, pushing better for
Speaker 1: good position players farther in the draft. Another reason why
Speaker 1: I'd be down to trade back again if I were
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. I mean, say you trade back to twelve,
Speaker 1: wherever trade fifteen with the Cardinals, you're still I mean
Speaker 1: in a scenario like that, you imagine all five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: go in the top ten or so, and so you're
Speaker 1: really looking at the top six or seven non quarterback
Speaker 1: draft picks as opposed to you know, fifteen. And why
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Browns is because I think Denver is
Speaker 1: sitting there at five, and yeah, that's who you have
Speaker 1: to worry about if you're if you want to get that. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's just hypothetical. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield one, two, three,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's still out there, Lamar Jackson's still out there.
Speaker 1: If you like one of those two quarterbacks clearly over
Speaker 1: the other, right, you need to go up in front
Speaker 1: of Denver and make sure you get them right. And
Speaker 1: so Buffalo Arizona, you know, we've talked about the quarterback
Speaker 1: needy teams get up in front of Denver, and that's
Speaker 1: where Cleveland at number four. They're sitting pretty. They can
Speaker 1: hold out for the best possible offer, sit tight and
Speaker 1: take a good player like Bradley Chubb, or trade back
Speaker 1: and if Day trade back with Buffalo and get twelve
Speaker 1: and twenty two, you get Harold Landry at twelve and
Speaker 1: then Mike McGlinchey at twenty two, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: US just solve two needs instead of taking the player
Speaker 1: of number four. Okay, this is where this is now
Speaker 1: where I'm interested because you mentioned and this is a
Speaker 1: scenario that Dave and I did on the clock yesterday.
Speaker 1: We were talking about mcclinchay the tackle, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to run it by you and we'll get through. You
Speaker 1: have Mike mcclinchey, the tackle from Notre Dame at twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: the twenty eighth best player in your top to top tackle,
Speaker 1: top tackle in the draft. Okay, is this is situation
Speaker 1: where if the quarterbacks are all gone that some team
Speaker 1: like New England now who owns that owns twenty three?
Speaker 1: Is Dallas going to be If mcglinchy And by the way,
Speaker 1: he's a thirty visit here for the calcality visit, So
Speaker 1: there's a consideration there and he's number twenty eight on
Speaker 1: your board. Is this a spot that where Mcglinchay McGlinchey
Speaker 1: being the best tackle could be a trade up piece
Speaker 1: from somebody in the back of the draft. Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this offensive line group, how they're all
Speaker 1: gonna get overdrafted except for Quentin Nelson, we'll get underdrafted, right,
Speaker 1: But everyone else, all these other offensive linemen, the guards
Speaker 1: the task, especially the tackles. Connor Williams, I mean, Colton
Speaker 1: Miller is going to be overdrafted because if you don't
Speaker 1: get your tackle earlier and left without a chair. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. So we're gonna see these teams jocking
Speaker 1: for position for tacks. Yeah, it might not be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be with the tackles where it starts. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe what we really need is for like this LA
Speaker 1: Chargers to draft McGlinchey. Yeah, really put a panic into
Speaker 1: some of these teams that need to tackle. Maybe you
Speaker 1: trade up and do something stupid for Connor Williams. They
Speaker 1: went two offensive linemen last year, you know, yeah in
Speaker 1: your and Seattle ahead of you two. How much would yeah,
Speaker 1: how much would that freak everybody? Out in the back half.
Speaker 1: If the if McGlinchey goes off the board at like
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen and then the Cowboys are whole. I'm holding
Speaker 1: out like New England's got all those now those twos,
Speaker 1: and you talk to people about New England, they think
Speaker 1: they think that they're gonna just keep trading back and
Speaker 1: picking up more picks. If they might not pick in
Speaker 1: the first round, they're not gonna pick with those four
Speaker 1: picks in the top two rounds. Yeah, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: pick at those four spots. I mean they're gonna move around.
Speaker 1: They can move up, they can move back. They might
Speaker 1: do both very easily. So there's a lot of rumors
Speaker 1: about do they get a quarterback in this draft? Ye?
Speaker 1: Will they have a chance at one of those quarterback
Speaker 1: I'm hearing whispers about Lamar Jackson there and will they
Speaker 1: be in striking distance for Lamar Jackson. It was Lamar
Speaker 1: ja gonna go in the top ten, but Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: is there a chance? So he ends up at nineteen.
Speaker 1: I mean that you always talk about your quarterback, Hope.
Speaker 1: I started off talking about your one hundred. Now I'm
Speaker 1: interested in trading around. Talk here. That's all you ever
Speaker 1: want to talk. I love I kind of like the
Speaker 1: positioning of the draft. I love that, and that goes
Speaker 1: back to see but that's what I'm seeing Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: It's na like Minka though, like we we think one thing. Personally,
Speaker 1: I can't. I think it's silly if Lamar Jackson goes
Speaker 1: past fifteen at the latest. But I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: a team. I'm gonna give you a team New Orleans
Speaker 1: at twenty seven. Who would New Orleans trade up for
Speaker 1: at nineteen? Who would you think that New Orleans could
Speaker 1: potentially trade up for at nite teen? I could see
Speaker 1: him doing that for Lamar, I could see. I know,
Speaker 1: I know they worked out Connor Williams. Now we were
Speaker 1: there at the Austin Dane pointed out a show or
Speaker 1: two ago, they have Tron Armstead and Ryan Ramshick, but
Speaker 1: they could use another tackle Tron Armstead's instead. Some teams
Speaker 1: view him as a guard on board. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: worked him at a center right. That was yeah, position flex.
Speaker 1: I mean they're dumb. I know Sean Payton's in love
Speaker 1: with Taysom Hill, but they I mean, they got to
Speaker 1: start thinking about the Drew the post Drew Breese era,
Speaker 1: Like that wouldn't shock me. New Orleans is do you
Speaker 1: think New Orleans is more quarterback heavy than anything? Well,
Speaker 1: we know last year they wanted to draft Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: at number eleven. Yeah, that they were ready to turn
Speaker 1: in that card until the Kansas City Chiefs leap frog
Speaker 1: them at number ten to take him. And like we
Speaker 1: we've talked about, it worked out okay for the Saints.
Speaker 1: They got Marshawn Lattimore at eleven, but they're still looking
Speaker 1: for that quarterback of the future. I'm interested now as
Speaker 1: I look to your list for cowboy possibilities. Vanderish at
Speaker 1: twenty six player in the draft, Oh, he'll be all right.
Speaker 1: Vita Bay at twenty seven. I think that's lower than
Speaker 1: a lot of people have them. Yeah, not a lot
Speaker 1: of third not really in love with him, are you no?
Speaker 1: Because I don't. He's not a pass rusher. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you can. We can talk about the traits all
Speaker 1: we want, sure, but if it's not it doesn't equal
Speaker 1: pass production, right, then you're not valued as a top
Speaker 1: twenty five player. For me, Dane doesn't want his linebackers
Speaker 1: to thrive. That's basically what he's saying he doesn't one
Speaker 1: his linebackers to thirty, I can find nose tackles. I
Speaker 1: can give me the Adrin Sana in the third round.
Speaker 1: When did Rod Marinelli come on our set? Yeah? What happened?
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, Calvin Ridley at eleven,
Speaker 1: DJ Moore at fourteen, you like that one? I love that. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that for a second. All right.
Speaker 1: As I was mapping this out, we followed, Oh no,
Speaker 1: he he kept him. He kept them near each other.
Speaker 1: There's no question followed. We followed the DJ more roller coaster.
Speaker 1: But let me just say this will quick up the hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: between him, he's got Marcus Davenport at twelve and Harold
Speaker 1: Landry at thirteen. Again, okay, Ridley a visit at eleven,
Speaker 1: Landry a visit at thirteen, DJ Moore a visit at fourteen,
Speaker 1: James Daniels at the Guard Center, guard from Iowa at
Speaker 1: seventeen a visit. Yep, he's got some guys who play,
Speaker 1: and that well, that's what I keeps. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: every team you want to cover all aspects of the draft,
Speaker 1: you got some Day three guys in here. You got
Speaker 1: some gay two guys in here. You got some red
Speaker 1: flag type of guys, so you can get another look
Speaker 1: at him. But the vast majority of the guys the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have brought in are there. It's their options at nineteen,
Speaker 1: like that's what they want to do the most homework
Speaker 1: on which to go, which is the point I was
Speaker 1: going to bring up. The rest of that stuff doesn't
Speaker 1: surprise me, but you think back to the combine, I
Speaker 1: purposely was like, let's shut up about DJ Moore. They're
Speaker 1: not going to draft him. We need to calm down.
Speaker 1: We're working people into a frenzy for no reason. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Man, Dane's got him at fourteen. They brought
Speaker 1: him in on They're not getting him at fifty. They
Speaker 1: know that. Oh you're you're liking the fact he's got
Speaker 1: him at the top. They're not getting him at fifty.
Speaker 1: But he's here anyway, So what does that say. It's
Speaker 1: funny because I mapped out my top one hundred and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, I'm like, all right, DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: I had him at like twenty. I was like that's
Speaker 1: not high enough. Like okay, I needed like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start at Calvin Ridley at eleven and then okay,
Speaker 1: where would I Okay, where do I want? Dj Moore? Okay,
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport Okay, Harold Andrey Okay, you know Dj Moore
Speaker 1: right there? Yeah, fourteen that that works. For the last
Speaker 1: two months, I'm just like, I need to shut off
Speaker 1: about DJ Moore because they're not going to draft him,
Speaker 1: but they know he's gonna be a first round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they brought him in anyway. Yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: they're at least interested enough to kick the tires we
Speaker 1: saw ahead. Well, we've talked about the top thirty visits
Speaker 1: and how important they are, and you know, last year
Speaker 1: we felt pretty good corner or defensive end in the
Speaker 1: first round. We felt pretty good about that. This year
Speaker 1: there could be ten names. Yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: there's Oh, it's gonna be a fun a Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. We're three weeks out right now, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not. And I don't think in the next three
Speaker 1: weeks we're gonna narrow it down anymore. Like I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna be able to eliminate a position that
Speaker 1: they're not going to draft in the first they did,
Speaker 1: they throw you a curveball by bringing James Daniels in
Speaker 1: here from Iowa the Center. No, No, because he has
Speaker 1: guard experience, and I think that that's really where if
Speaker 1: they draft him, he's gonna be your guard. You're gonna
Speaker 1: plug him in there. He's athletic enough, he's powerful enough.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, and maybe I just maybe hindsight's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty because I know how the other drafts played out.
Speaker 1: But in the time I've been doing this with y'all,
Speaker 1: this is as wide open as it's ever feels more
Speaker 1: wide open at nineteen than it did at twenty eight
Speaker 1: to be totally on. Yeah, all right, Well we're gonna
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Speaker 1: that too. Dan, we all bet and but also too
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Speaker 1: out the cover of that thing right there. That's it
Speaker 1: with with his first overall player. I can maybe make
Speaker 1: it a little bit better. There we go fifty prospects
Speaker 1: in there. Profile, talk through all information there. You can
Speaker 1: see you can feel the relief radiating off of day.
Speaker 1: I slept so well the other night. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it DP Brugler. Yeah, there's a link at the top.
Speaker 1: It's an automatic PDF download some a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of tweets, people printing them out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I banned them up like that, So make sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Star Magazine, the Beast Miller. We got a lot of
Speaker 1: great things happening here on The Draft Show. And one
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Speaker 1: All right, Um, well, hey, we just we've finished the
Speaker 1: first segment by talking about Ridley and DJ Moore. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about what range guys are gonna
Speaker 1: go and where they're where they're gonna go, whether or
Speaker 1: not they're gonna be there. So Caleb wants to know,
Speaker 1: assuming they don't. Oh, and he pointed out, we all
Speaker 1: mocked a receiver at fifty in our seven round mock anywhere,
Speaker 1: guy from Memphis, you feel good about that one day?
Speaker 1: So thirty six overall player, who do you think they're
Speaker 1: at fifty? Wide receiver if they don't take one at nineteen,
Speaker 1: just ballpark it for me. If wide receiver is gonna
Speaker 1: be your pick at fifty, who's there? You know? I
Speaker 1: was more going on a three round locks draft right now. Actually,
Speaker 1: and I get to Dallas's pick, and let's see the
Speaker 1: tom receivers available. James Washington, Yeah, I do have Anthony
Speaker 1: Miller there, so yeah, he was at Washington was a
Speaker 1: thirty visit though too. Washington Miller? Yes. What about Saint Brown?
Speaker 1: I think Saint Brown's there too, and think fifty as well.
Speaker 1: I have him rated higher than Washington and some of
Speaker 1: these other guys, but I don't He's a wild card really.
Speaker 1: I mean same thing with Sutton. Both these guys are
Speaker 1: more stential picks. They could be off the board both
Speaker 1: in the early second. How about Gallup? I know some people,
Speaker 1: I mean, Gallup is a guy I'm a little bit
Speaker 1: higher on him than you guys. Miller was a guy
Speaker 1: I went ahead and mocked to the Cowboys at fifty.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see there might be
Speaker 1: a run because you really don't know. There might be
Speaker 1: that run in the back end of the draft that
Speaker 1: kind of starts it. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: start at the top of it. No, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna come on the best. Yeah. Yeah, we're funny with
Speaker 1: two guys. Wide receiver is always the toughest to predict
Speaker 1: where they're gonna go. Yeah, I do. And I love
Speaker 1: the question by Cale. It's a really great observation. I
Speaker 1: didn't even notice that we all took a guy at fifty, right, Um,
Speaker 1: who are the different names we had? Miller, Miller, We
Speaker 1: we both took Miller, Nick Eatman took Washington. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't remember who wrong. Yeah, and those two would be
Speaker 1: I think the most likely names at that point. But
Speaker 1: I got the point. I'm gonna you know, as much
Speaker 1: as we talk, and we talked about Ridley and more
Speaker 1: too much, probably, but like, there'll be some good receivers
Speaker 1: there at fifth. Oh no, And see that's why. And
Speaker 1: I guess Kirk might be the Christian Kerry yeah, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta a tweet from somebody said, hey, that
Speaker 1: Bill Polian thought this wasn't a deep draft for receivers,
Speaker 1: And you know, everybody looks at these things differently, and
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, yeah, maybe it's not the
Speaker 1: top of the board, but down as you go through.
Speaker 1: I mean we name, like I say, the guys. I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't even mentioned Pettis. Yeah, is a guy
Speaker 1: that I like, you know, Pettis Sudden uh Smith from
Speaker 1: Central Floor. I mean there's some quality names. It's not
Speaker 1: deep in the sense that there's a lot of high
Speaker 1: end talent, but like you can get really good value. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean I I have no problem with those guys
Speaker 1: like Miller, Kirk Washington. I don't think exactly, no problem,
Speaker 1: no problem with those guys. He might go first round.
Speaker 1: I said that while ago. I laughed at you the
Speaker 1: first time you said it, and now I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a new drum to beat. I beat the
Speaker 1: DJ Moore drum until the skin fell off, So I
Speaker 1: got a new one that I'm trying to start this
Speaker 1: train going, which is uh JF, says Harold Landry. There
Speaker 1: for you at nineteen, is it really and that the
Speaker 1: thing is the thing that's stopping me is I don't
Speaker 1: think it's realistic. Well again, another thirty visit guy. And
Speaker 1: that's that's what really set me on because but they
Speaker 1: visited also TJA guy. The fact that they're interested to
Speaker 1: enough to take a look is all I need to
Speaker 1: really be intrigued, because again, you look at the value,
Speaker 1: You're like, well, do you want like the third or
Speaker 1: fourth best linebacker, a guy who's not gonna play one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the snaps or a dude who can
Speaker 1: come in and get some work done as a pass
Speaker 1: rusher right away. I mean that's very especially you talk
Speaker 1: about the Marcus Lawrence is on a one year deal,
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford. I mean, I don't know what the future
Speaker 1: holds for him, but you could probably get out of
Speaker 1: that contract in the near future if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: It's some position we're taking a look at. Thirteenth best
Speaker 1: player according to Dane Burglar on his top one hundred.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but the second best pass rusher, probably
Speaker 1: third behind Davenport. You have got Davenport and Lander back
Speaker 1: to back. But yeah, twelve thirteen, Yeah, those guys don't
Speaker 1: hang around typically, right, So that's if he might not
Speaker 1: even be there at night, which is it realistic? That's
Speaker 1: the question I have for you. Yeah, good chance, Green
Speaker 1: Bay at fourteen. Yeah, I would worry about them. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone needs pass rush help, so it wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: surprise to see him off the board at that point.
Speaker 1: It just it kind of I don't know. If t J.
Speaker 1: Watt wasn't a fit last year, how is Harold Landre
Speaker 1: a fit? Maybe I get because ye t J. Wat
Speaker 1: didn't put his hand on the ground on film, but
Speaker 1: he's bigger than Harold Landry is, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it was that much projection just to put it, you know,
Speaker 1: because the guy's got his hand on the right exactly
Speaker 1: where Harold Landry's. He's small. He's six two, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty pounds, right, you know, he's smaller. He's the
Speaker 1: one that really ideally would be standing up. You know,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about that type of fit, he's he's
Speaker 1: cut from the same cloth as Vic Beasley, that type
Speaker 1: of pass rusher. I love him. I think he's an
Speaker 1: outstanding pass rusher. I just it's hard to figure out
Speaker 1: these guys with well we criticize the coaches all the
Speaker 1: time for being stubborn, maybe watching t J. Watt rack
Speaker 1: up six sacks as a rookie, you changed their minds
Speaker 1: about what a guy like that, Mike get to a
Speaker 1: point two where all of a sudden, you're right. They
Speaker 1: see that, and then they then they go, wait a minute, now,
Speaker 1: let's take the coaches out of this football and not
Speaker 1: only that, which the big counterpoint to Harold Landry t J.
Speaker 1: Watt argument is that Harold Landry is awfully similar to
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence's draft weight and size, and we've seen what
Speaker 1: he's done. Yeah, so that's if you tell me I
Speaker 1: can get him at nineteen. I'm all in. I'm so
Speaker 1: all in it's not even funny. But I just I
Speaker 1: you're all in. If if I have a hard time
Speaker 1: believing he's there, who who would you who would give
Speaker 1: you pause? Who would give you pause on the board
Speaker 1: at nineteen? If it was Landry and somebody else? I
Speaker 1: know how much you like DJ Moore one either one
Speaker 1: of the wide receivers. I think that's a conversation worth having.
Speaker 1: But I think no, give you pause, that you would say,
Speaker 1: oh wait a minute, wait, you got me where I
Speaker 1: wouldn't take Landry over this guy. There is there an
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman you would take over Landry. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: saying Vida Vella lineback. Would it would have to be
Speaker 1: to get I honestly think, for the value of the
Speaker 1: position and what I think he might be able to do,
Speaker 1: Landry might be my most intriguing realistic option. I mean,
Speaker 1: Derwin James and Roquan Smith su No, but I was
Speaker 1: thinking of somebody else and his question was really good
Speaker 1: about that. There's nobody that would move you off Landry?
Speaker 1: Then not realistically, I don't think, because again, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the two or three most
Speaker 1: valuable positions in the game. Okay, Ridley would move you
Speaker 1: off Landry, wouldn't he? Uh? Probably? Yeah, see, but you've
Speaker 1: been on, You've been on. Really we literally just said
Speaker 1: about all the receivers, you could get it fifty though.
Speaker 1: No I know. But but but this is the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He's saying, the Cowboys haven't made a change of receiver
Speaker 1: in five years. Yeah, what they do They went out
Speaker 1: and change receivers. It's about time they brought some more.
Speaker 1: So I was just feeling like, Okay, his love for
Speaker 1: Ridley might not be as strong as it was a
Speaker 1: month ago. Well, yeah, as it pertains to this team,
Speaker 1: you know, like, for example, I'm a lot more I'm
Speaker 1: a lot more open to a guard at nineteen than
Speaker 1: I was before because I don't think they really addressed
Speaker 1: that position to a you know, an extent where I
Speaker 1: feel comfortable, right, Marcus Martin's a nice player, right, But
Speaker 1: I'm a lot more open to a guard at nineteen
Speaker 1: just because I don't think they went out and got
Speaker 1: a caliber of a guard that that's I would have done.
Speaker 1: That's a very good fair. That's really good. There were
Speaker 1: Mike McGlinchey that see now McGlinchey again, we come back
Speaker 1: to him full circle. If he plays right tackle, is
Speaker 1: there as in the whole kicking while Collins inside? That's
Speaker 1: if they or do you have your backup if something
Speaker 1: happens to Tyrnn Smith with Fleming and those guys, you
Speaker 1: could just plug Fleming in or let Fleming work at
Speaker 1: left tackle the whole training camp. If they were to
Speaker 1: draft let I mean, let's even say they like Connor
Speaker 1: Williams more than mc dallasday guy to more. But if
Speaker 1: they were to draft to tackle at nineteen. I have
Speaker 1: to assume that means that Lyle is going to play
Speaker 1: guard this year. Yeah, absolutely, so, Yeah, the only the
Speaker 1: only reason you draft tackle that early. And you know,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, you know we've we talked about can play
Speaker 1: different positions. Mike McGlinchey, I think you could play him
Speaker 1: a guard, but you're playing him a tackle. If you're
Speaker 1: drafting in the first round, it's to be a tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and is it? He has right tackle experience experience. Let's
Speaker 1: let's use this as a segue because we talked about
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman. Just a minute there, Heath says, And
Speaker 1: this is something else you got to think about. Is
Speaker 1: dron paying more of a one or three? That's part
Speaker 1: one of Heath's question. Part two is have we heard
Speaker 1: about Maurice Hurst's heart? And part three of that question is,
Speaker 1: assuming everything's good there, who do you like more between them? Okay,
Speaker 1: I've gone back and talk to some more teams about Hearst,
Speaker 1: and I need to I need to find out about
Speaker 1: this team investigating educate. Yeah, would you find out? I
Speaker 1: found out that he's off a lot of boards. So
Speaker 1: that's a scary thing. Man, even even if the Michigan
Speaker 1: doctors cleared him. Yeah, that went about that. I talked
Speaker 1: to several teams. I said, what's the story now on
Speaker 1: hearst and they go, we're not going to have him
Speaker 1: on the board. So again, that's that's not the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: You know, we all know people in the league, and
Speaker 1: I had several people tell me throughout that hey, that
Speaker 1: that we're going to have him completely off and that's
Speaker 1: not knocking him down to the second third round, that's
Speaker 1: completely halfing him off the board. That is yeah, well
Speaker 1: that's completely off the board. You know that. That's other teams. Again,
Speaker 1: I need to find out what Alice is going to do.
Speaker 1: Character concerns or like bone on bone might push you
Speaker 1: down the board, right talking about somebody key, you're talking
Speaker 1: about somebody's heart. That's like yeah, absolutely, all it takes
Speaker 1: is one one team, you know, to believe and sure
Speaker 1: the doctors say, you know what, he'll be fine. Oh
Speaker 1: we went through this with Jalen Smith again, it was
Speaker 1: it was something he'll never play again. Yeah, he'll never
Speaker 1: play again. But again, it's the heart. It's the heart,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing. But I went back and asked
Speaker 1: several teams. I said, where you got Hurst now after
Speaker 1: all this, and they said off the board. Well, and
Speaker 1: back to your original question about drawn Payne. I think
Speaker 1: he's he's more of a one. But you do see
Speaker 1: the three technique? You do? You do? You're right, he
Speaker 1: has the athleticism. I mean, just look at his combine stats,
Speaker 1: the testing that he had, so he does have the
Speaker 1: athleticism to do it. I wish we saw it more
Speaker 1: than just the two playoff games on tape, but we
Speaker 1: know that he can at least do it. If Maurice
Speaker 1: Hurst is healthy, He's the top defense tackle in this draft,
Speaker 1: no doubt. It's an under tackle, right. Your three technique
Speaker 1: you got in get up field, but there's the heart
Speaker 1: conditioning that you just can't ignore. You think, maybe scheme
Speaker 1: and whatever else and the amount of talent Alabama's got
Speaker 1: going there, like maybe they just played pain at the
Speaker 1: one more because they needed to. Stephen White. I don't
Speaker 1: know if y'all are familiar with his work. Tennessee defensive
Speaker 1: lineman played in the pros Rights for sp Nation. He
Speaker 1: did a film breakdown where he was like, this guy
Speaker 1: should be playing three. I don't care what Alabama they
Speaker 1: played that three four, and so I mean it's kind
Speaker 1: of a projection. Maybe he fits better at four three
Speaker 1: three and he just never got to do it. And
Speaker 1: that's fair because we we've talked about this over the
Speaker 1: years with you know, all the Ashaan Robinson, all the
Speaker 1: different Alabama players up front, what they're asked to do,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's just contain occupy blocks, you know,
Speaker 1: free up room, opened up passing lanes for the linebackers.
Speaker 1: Same thing with the Shawan hand the other Alabama lineman
Speaker 1: in this draft. Who I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: fantastic three technique in the NFL. You just didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to show it a lot and on Alabama's
Speaker 1: defensive line. And so yeah, I do think that factors
Speaker 1: into the equation because drawn Payne is that the traits
Speaker 1: are there, the testing numbers are there, the potentials there.
Speaker 1: It's just it's not always there on tape. And so
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the factors you have to consider.
Speaker 1: Here's a there's a question for you, Brian, which I
Speaker 1: read a report yesterday about how somebody said the Bengals
Speaker 1: are going to draft Art and Key. I thought you'd
Speaker 1: like that, but well, so, uh, Bengals. Tyler was listening
Speaker 1: to us yesterday on the break talking about how we
Speaker 1: wouldn't touch Art and Key at fit, which I stand
Speaker 1: by that sure, But Tyler wants to know where do
Speaker 1: you consider him, like if he starts to really plummet
Speaker 1: down the board at when do you feel comfortable drafting
Speaker 1: Art and Key knowing everything you know about him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that if I as I
Speaker 1: look at my draft picks that I have where I
Speaker 1: need to be. I I kind of think like eighty
Speaker 1: one might be where I start thinking about it. But
Speaker 1: I've I've grown up, feels too. I've grown up in
Speaker 1: a system, you know, in Green Bay, and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be back in the day guy. But it's my experience.
Speaker 1: The fourth round was always the medical round yep. Medical
Speaker 1: or criminal yep. Those were the rounds. So I've got
Speaker 1: I've got Selection one sixteen, and I got Selection one
Speaker 1: thirty seven. I don't think Art and Key is there
Speaker 1: at six, one sixteen or one thirty seven. I don't
Speaker 1: think he is either. I just don't. And that's why
Speaker 1: I brought up eighteen. Now, how much are you willing?
Speaker 1: I just in my head, I can't. I keep hearing
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory tell Jason Garrett on the draft night, don't
Speaker 1: worry about me, coach, don't worry about me, And I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like that arden Key, I can't trust him.
Speaker 1: I can't trust arden Key, certainly not. But where would
Speaker 1: I start thinking about him if I was a team.
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to start thinking about at eighty one,
Speaker 1: because again at one sixteen, at one thirty seven, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's there. I subscribe to Dane's philosophy that
Speaker 1: your first three picks should be starting, and I'm not
Speaker 1: using a pick that could go towards a starter on that.
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I know he probably won't be
Speaker 1: there one sixteen, but that's where I get comfortable drafting.
Speaker 1: I struggled with him where to put him in my
Speaker 1: top one hundred, you know, I really struggled where I
Speaker 1: would feel comfortable, and I ended up putting him at
Speaker 1: sixty eight. Yeah, And I don't feel great about Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's a guy that flashes a lot. But like
Speaker 1: you said, it is hard to trust him. Um with
Speaker 1: just off the field as he love football, is he
Speaker 1: gonna push himself to reach that potential? If you can
Speaker 1: harness that ability. It's gonna work out, But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of ifs in there, and I don't know. At
Speaker 1: sixty eight, that's start that that begins the range where
Speaker 1: I would feel comfortable taking a look at him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the Yeah, that's a tough one because all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's gonna come down to he could be,
Speaker 1: he could be, he could be a tremendous player. Or
Speaker 1: again we've compared him to which well, Randy Gregor, well
Speaker 1: this is and it's not as serious as a heart condition,
Speaker 1: but it's the same thing we always see, like some
Speaker 1: teams are just gonna have him not even there at all,
Speaker 1: like us, by bye, Randy Gregory tested a lot better
Speaker 1: than arden Key. Factual arden Key was with high four
Speaker 1: eights and yeah, yeah, he yes, ardon Key. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were talking about that four eight five yesterday, So we
Speaker 1: got to take a break. But real, this only needs
Speaker 1: to be a one sentence answer. I just want to
Speaker 1: see how y'all feel. Okay, Bobby Belt, friend of our
Speaker 1: friend of the show, wants he wants us to handicap
Speaker 1: pick number nineteen. He says, Layton vander esh Rashaan Evans
Speaker 1: or the field today. What's you're taken? M hmm, good question.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I talked about how white it is.
Speaker 1: I'm did you mock Vanderish to the Cowboys? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did? Okay, he's odds on favor. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: riding that horse. That horse is gonna take this reverse psychologist,
Speaker 1: take me all the way to Belmont. I just have
Speaker 1: a feeling about Rashaan Evans. I mocked him in Our Metal.
Speaker 1: A lot of other people are kind of circling that
Speaker 1: wagon too. I just is a guy. I'll take the field,
Speaker 1: then all. I'll take the field because I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of other names that there are. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a boatload of names. But I just if nothing
Speaker 1: crazy happens, meaning trades or guys plummeting down the board,
Speaker 1: look good, ain't breakfast this morning? I think those those
Speaker 1: two linebackers, I would give them the best odds. White
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Speaker 1: the at the Star Um. I do want to get in.
Speaker 1: I want to ask I'm always intrigued by your list again,
Speaker 1: your top one hundred. I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: a couple of corners because you have you have Ward,
Speaker 1: you have Ward Denzel Ward cornerback. Ohio State's number five
Speaker 1: overall overall overall, And I'm looking down the list here
Speaker 1: and I don't see another cornerback until sixteen with Jarry
Speaker 1: Alexander from Louisville. Yeah, that's pretty high praise for that kid. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. I mean he's I
Speaker 1: see a lot of Joe Hayden in him. Not the
Speaker 1: biggest guy, but physical, he's tough, he's smart. He's a
Speaker 1: former wide receiver, so you know he has ball skills.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to like about there. The biggest worry
Speaker 1: with Gyre Alexander is the fact that he missed almost
Speaker 1: half of his junior year, the twenty seventeen season, with
Speaker 1: a knee injury. So but as long as the medicals
Speaker 1: check out, sign me up for Gyr Alexander at some
Speaker 1: point in the first round. I feel good about that.
Speaker 1: So you have him higher than Mike Hughes though I do, okay,
Speaker 1: Mike Cue, but Mike Us is an ex Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think gire Alexander. I think he can press, I
Speaker 1: think can play off. Mike Ues to me is a
Speaker 1: better press corner right than off and so you know
Speaker 1: that ding him a little bit. He's another guy that's
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, uh five ten, four or five athlete,
Speaker 1: but he adds returned value. Mike Us also has some
Speaker 1: off field stuff. Um, I like Mike Us, but just
Speaker 1: later on the first Let this goes back to the
Speaker 1: first segment. Get all three of them, Let's get them
Speaker 1: all off the board. Let's get Mike mcglinchee in there.
Speaker 1: Let's get all three corners. Maybe throw Darius guys, maybe
Speaker 1: somebody falls in love. And yeah, this is interesting too.
Speaker 1: Is on the way he did this and I don't
Speaker 1: I want to know your method of your madness here
Speaker 1: and again I want to get to some tell me
Speaker 1: more here, but yet Isaiah Win at nineteen, Will Hernandez
Speaker 1: at twenty, Yeah, okay, you This has not ever been separated,
Speaker 1: has it. No, they're one is there? They're not both
Speaker 1: nineteen one, nineteen okay, okay, but you did it this way.
Speaker 1: Let me flip it this way now. Guys at twenty
Speaker 1: one and Ronald Jones at twenty two. Yeah, the ones
Speaker 1: at one. That's an interesting four game. Four players stretch
Speaker 1: right there like like, oh, I don't really know, kind
Speaker 1: of like Dane's like second, third, third, fourth, he's this figure,
Speaker 1: this is this is the Mike Mayock four A four
Speaker 1: b's fine? Whoa? Where do you see an A or
Speaker 1: a B in there? Twenty There separation there. There's there's
Speaker 1: not a separation bet twenty one and twenty two last
Speaker 1: time I checked. So you take, you take win over
Speaker 1: Hernandez exactly and better wins a better player than Hernandez,
Speaker 1: and you would take and you would take guys ober jokes,
Speaker 1: I have them slightly ahead of Joes. Tags are touching.
Speaker 1: Oh no, those tags are really touching. But there is
Speaker 1: separation there. They are not on the same level. There
Speaker 1: is there, there's a difference. So trying to start, I
Speaker 1: gotta put this top fifty together myself. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: there's no fun doing that. Yeah, this is not fun
Speaker 1: Dane draft. This is not Dane gives everybody a month
Speaker 1: to read his You put years out on like Thursday morning,
Speaker 1: ten hours before the draft. I don't put out the
Speaker 1: week of the draft. We should have made you do
Speaker 1: a top fifty in January. Yeah, how much you would
Speaker 1: have changed? He would uh your first tight ends at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Yeah, and some people think Hayden Hurst is
Speaker 1: the top guy I do. Yeah, and you're not alone.
Speaker 1: A lot of people in the league think that I
Speaker 1: have n't I have him second, I haven't close. I
Speaker 1: haven't was a thirty eight or something four or oh
Speaker 1: Hayden Yeah, because Dallas guard at thirty four. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: have Hayden Hurst shortly after thirty nine. Yeah, there's not
Speaker 1: a huge separation. But I think both guys are worthy
Speaker 1: of consideration in late first round. See you what, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe the Patriots have got this right looking at your
Speaker 1: names like past, like near fifty. Yeah, maybe maybe you
Speaker 1: need a bunch of second round picks in this draft.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, and we're gonna have some surprise first rounders,
Speaker 1: ye know that we always do. Or guys like Lorenzo
Speaker 1: Carter from Georgia who's gonna sneak in Colton Miller is
Speaker 1: gonna sneak in there. So it's gonna push good name
Speaker 1: Colton Miller. Again, I'm not a fan, right, I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan. He would be the one guy, and he
Speaker 1: was a thirty visit guy. They maybe know they know
Speaker 1: a lot more than May. Again, I mean thirty visits
Speaker 1: comprised the whole scope of the draft. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they like him at nineteen, although they might. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: where they have to get him if they want to
Speaker 1: draft him. Oh so that just I just that would
Speaker 1: be a throw the pin, A real throw the pen,
Speaker 1: not a fake throw the pen. That would be fake. Throw.
Speaker 1: The pin is when you just kind of drop it
Speaker 1: in front of you. The real throw is when it
Speaker 1: sticks in the wall across the game. The model whole true,
Speaker 1: Cowboys hold true. Don't don't do this, don't do it,
Speaker 1: cowboys don't all right, David, let's get a little bit
Speaker 1: of tell me more, all right, Dane, Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, actually no, this is not what
Speaker 1: you think. No. No, well, okay, First of all, the
Speaker 1: main way I put together today, I'm so happy when
Speaker 1: the beast comes out because every day when we do
Speaker 1: the show, I just open it. I look at your
Speaker 1: big list of prospects. I'm like, all right, what's a
Speaker 1: name I don't recognize. We'll talk about him today. No,
Speaker 1: but what's what? What do you think is I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe Brian's most often repeated phrase of this draft cycle. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. It's something about, like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. There's a lot of good one techniques in
Speaker 1: this draft. But further down you go, right, well, here's
Speaker 1: the guy that we have not covered on this show
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have appeared to show a little bit
Speaker 1: of interest in. So tell me a little bit about
Speaker 1: Brylan speaks defend tackle the school in Mississippi. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna call him that, gotcha? Gotcha the Rebels. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a tweeter kind of because he
Speaker 1: played inside, played outside for role miss six one two
Speaker 1: or eighty five pounds. He kind of took over for
Speaker 1: Robert Candici as their their three technique lining up over
Speaker 1: the b gap. Um, he's high cut, he's at he's
Speaker 1: a little stiff with the lower body. But I mean,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, you you got him right. But he
Speaker 1: has some foot quickness, you know, so I think that's
Speaker 1: going to push him up a little bit. But he's
Speaker 1: got some there's some maturity issues there too. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a huge fan. What grade did I give?
Speaker 1: I gave him something like a fourth I mean a
Speaker 1: day three grade. Yeah, I you were actually nicer to
Speaker 1: him than I was. When I kind of forgot when
Speaker 1: that he was going to come to visit, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: what did I mess up with him? You know? I
Speaker 1: saw a guy watched him play against Alabama California, South Alabama,
Speaker 1: and then I just had to stop because I feel
Speaker 1: like he came off the ball high. Let's blockers get
Speaker 1: inside on him. He can close what he gets in space,
Speaker 1: You get him in space. Like you talk about the
Speaker 1: foot quickness and stuff like that. I saw a guy
Speaker 1: get washed a lot. You know what I mean when
Speaker 1: you say when you play high and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's just like they're just taking that. He's kind of
Speaker 1: light too well. Two eighty three Yeah, I had a
Speaker 1: two eighty five on him. I measure, But I think
Speaker 1: he has a problem is balanced. That's the thing I
Speaker 1: worried about. A lot of these guys will watch these
Speaker 1: inside guys, they don't get knocked now, Brian Tevin Bryant.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while just to try and beat
Speaker 1: somebody on quickness will get washed. Yeah, but this guy,
Speaker 1: it was constantly happening to the long legs. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm gonna stay where I'm out on him
Speaker 1: if he's there, don't be surprised that the third day,
Speaker 1: like Dane saying, and we get the Dallas's pick there,
Speaker 1: uh at, So let me give you one. How about one, nine, two,
Speaker 1: sixth round? Where'd you put him in? Six? I put him.
Speaker 1: I put him in the six. I know you had
Speaker 1: more problems got him in the fourth. I put a
Speaker 1: four or five on him. I wouldn't take him at
Speaker 1: one thirty seven myself, Yeah, I wouldn't do it. But
Speaker 1: if he's he's a flash player too, yeah one seventy one,
Speaker 1: you know something like that. But yeah, man that I
Speaker 1: had a hard time with him. And here you watch
Speaker 1: me who get picked and I have to eat all
Speaker 1: my words? Yeah, I've heard something. A lot of some
Speaker 1: Scots told me. Some practice habits have been questioned in
Speaker 1: the past. Oh, there we go. He was yet a duy.
Speaker 1: He was suspended for another game. So there's some sounds
Speaker 1: like he's right up your alley when you complains. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons you bring a guy like
Speaker 1: that in to figure out more about the person. Sure
Speaker 1: maturity and that girl sure trying to find some guards
Speaker 1: that I don't have to draft early. That's you know,
Speaker 1: like I want to bargain hunt. I know that's not smart.
Speaker 1: That's not smarting. I mean, you got there's so many
Speaker 1: dudes on this team already. You could move Lil Sure
Speaker 1: play Marcus Martin there. So I'm trying to bargain hunt.
Speaker 1: And so in that Van Dane that rhymed tell me
Speaker 1: about Colby gossip from app State app State, Uh, the
Speaker 1: four year starter guy that wasn't highly recruited came in, uh,
Speaker 1: and he has the I think the traits that you want.
Speaker 1: Six five, three hundred ten pounds. See a powerful player,
Speaker 1: guy that flashes violence in his hands. He can create
Speaker 1: movement the point of attack. The thing with him is
Speaker 1: the hand placement is off a little consistency with his game.
Speaker 1: You watched him, Oh yeah, Oh, I thought I got
Speaker 1: you on that one. No, this was one because you
Speaker 1: had to watch him because he was at the Senior Bowl. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the Senior Bowl guy remember me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think the thing, the biggest thing he made was
Speaker 1: that about the hand placement always kind of fine. He
Speaker 1: felt like it was always that wind and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you get if you don't put your hands in again,
Speaker 1: the guy's chest, he's gonna run you back. And he
Speaker 1: could get away with it a little bit. But there's
Speaker 1: you see him app State will always play one or
Speaker 1: two of those money games, and you see him kind
Speaker 1: of have some problems with the power the hands. He's
Speaker 1: a guy that he has experienced at center, has experienced
Speaker 1: a tackle, so he has that little bit of versatility
Speaker 1: with a position flex. But no, I think you're right
Speaker 1: his and he's not a special athlete, the power guy,
Speaker 1: so his skill set leaves very little room for error.
Speaker 1: So he needs to tighten up his technique if he's
Speaker 1: gonna stick in the NFL. Right, where do you have
Speaker 1: Cole Madison going or where do you have him playing? Uh?
Speaker 1: And as a guard? As a tackle? Washington State? But
Speaker 1: he's I think he's a guard. Did ye? I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to steal. I mean, okay, I'm m Cole Madison.
Speaker 1: I heard that, so maybe he's he's one of the
Speaker 1: he's my top guard when you get into day three. Uh,
Speaker 1: I think you know, we talk about the top three
Speaker 1: guards obviously, and then we have Braden Smith from Auburn,
Speaker 1: the Nevada kid. Uh. And then when he gets past
Speaker 1: those top five, Cole Madison's my sixth guard. That that
Speaker 1: we started getting in the fourth round. A player started
Speaker 1: talking about really interesting backstory because he was like a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in high school. They Washington State brought him
Speaker 1: in as more of an athlete. He started in the
Speaker 1: wide receiver room when he got the pullman, but they
Speaker 1: bulked him up moving to tackle and he was a
Speaker 1: four year starter for them at right tackle. But that's
Speaker 1: the only position he's ever played. And so if the
Speaker 1: projection moving him inside six five, three hundred and ten pounds,
Speaker 1: but I think he could do it. He's the type
Speaker 1: of developmental guard I'd be looking for at some point
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Sorry, David, No, that was useful information,
Speaker 1: way more useful than me picking names out of the book.
Speaker 1: Interesting that he's the top thirty visit here. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: I thought too when I heard the name I'm like going,
Speaker 1: huh it kind of it was one of those Uh well,
Speaker 1: and if you look at him, I worked down a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think you have him absolutely right. I've
Speaker 1: said it. I've said it. He was a wide receiver
Speaker 1: in high school, wide receiver in tight end, and that's
Speaker 1: he was kind of recruited as kind of like an athlete,
Speaker 1: and so they brought him in and I think Washington
Speaker 1: State was like his only FBS offer. So a little
Speaker 1: known guy. But the police yeah, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I keep saying, obviously the majority of those guys
Speaker 1: are nineteen, but they're looking all through the spectrum. That's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm trying to bargain hunt for a safety.
Speaker 1: Dane helped me out and tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: more about Quinn Blanding at a UVA. Yeah, who has
Speaker 1: some tough tape. Yeah. Now, that's the thing if you're
Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna draft a player based on resume,
Speaker 1: he's a first round player. The productions there. I think
Speaker 1: he has more tackles than in that linebacker. How's all this?
Speaker 1: I liked Micah Kaiser's He's fine. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: pick nineteen, but Okay, how does this guy put together
Speaker 1: this resume if he's so terrible. He's not terrible. He's
Speaker 1: just not very good in any one area. He is
Speaker 1: kind of okay. You know he's not saying I mean
Speaker 1: you you want to You're like, how does this guy
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? And he started forty nine games he played.
Speaker 1: The one thing I kept saying is this guy does
Speaker 1: not shy away from contact. No, he is not. And
Speaker 1: but all the coverage and stuff he does is all underneath.
Speaker 1: Yeah you never see him have to, but you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything where you're like going, they play
Speaker 1: a ton of zone. I mean all you do is
Speaker 1: see him yo, snap drop drive, snap drop drive, snap
Speaker 1: all the whole day. So, I mean I saw a
Speaker 1: guy where it takes him some time to turn. I'm
Speaker 1: worried about him as an athlete a little bit. He
Speaker 1: is a stiff player. And look, you're not a bad
Speaker 1: player when you have one hundred and fifteen tackles, oh
Speaker 1: every season all four years. Yeah, that's no question. The
Speaker 1: guy could tackle, no question. I just don't see a
Speaker 1: great athlete. And I don't see a guy with sounds
Speaker 1: like a guy that the dudes on the other side
Speaker 1: of this building would love well, just in time. I
Speaker 1: mean he sounds like Jeff Heath. Oh, he looks like
Speaker 1: a tape. I mean he's got lenked to him, but
Speaker 1: he just it takes him time to get going in
Speaker 1: and you just