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Speaker 1: this brother, music just kept going through, kept going through,
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Speaker 2: I was so proud of you.
Speaker 1: Because let me just tell you something. You know, yah know,
Speaker 1: because let me just tell you something. You are so unique, right,
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Speaker 1: That's That's exactly what I expected from him to be.
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Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: But let's let's let's take this from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Man. I've enjoyed researching you, knowing that you was coming
Speaker 1: up here. I just enjoyed because you're truly a class
Speaker 1: act man. You know what I'm saying. You're truly one
Speaker 1: of those people that that at the highest of your career,
Speaker 1: you didn't let it get to your head and I could.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what outside of looking at you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I always seen you with a stable mind.
Speaker 1: How do you maintain that that that type of aura.
Speaker 5: I just think it comes from the people who raised you,
Speaker 5: your upbringing, how they treated you in life. And I
Speaker 5: always felt that you get more being humble, get more
Speaker 5: being graceful and treating people the way you want to
Speaker 5: be treated.
Speaker 2: That's how you get it right.
Speaker 1: You know. My friend of mine, he always tells me
Speaker 1: this buster rides local.
Speaker 2: You ever get that a problem? Not really, because perceptions
Speaker 2: are different.
Speaker 5: A lot of times people think you're unapproachable, your mean,
Speaker 5: and a lot of times I am right. I think
Speaker 5: it takes humility to treat people like you want to
Speaker 5: be treated. I think it takes a little bit of
Speaker 5: mindset to put yourself in other people's spaces instead of yours,
Speaker 5: and always thinking about you, you you, and think about
Speaker 5: somebody else, and then your atmosphere and your surroundings begin
Speaker 5: to change.
Speaker 1: Right, And a lot of people don't know being from
Speaker 1: Mount Vernon, right, Mount Vernon is almost closer to the
Speaker 1: Bronx than even Manhattan is so by hip hop. By
Speaker 1: hip hop being the birthplace of the Bronx, I believe
Speaker 1: that Mount Vernon was just as affected almost around the
Speaker 1: same time is that.
Speaker 2: That's a fact? Yeah, so how is that?
Speaker 1: Because I remember go Mount Vernon, I remember that just
Speaker 1: being hip hop everywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a small town with a lot of
Speaker 2: talent in it.
Speaker 5: And a town like that, so small with a lot
Speaker 5: of talent in it, it just stands out. When you
Speaker 5: get into the Bronx, it may be, you know, there's
Speaker 5: a lot more. It's a deeper water. You get to
Speaker 5: the in Manhattan, it's a deeper water. Brooklyn Queens deeper waters.
Speaker 5: But Mount Vernon is like a big lake, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Just a big lake of talent, from
Speaker 5: basketball to entertainment, to streetcats to philosophers, from people who
Speaker 5: are spiritually inclined to people who are on demon time.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of everything in that town.
Speaker 1: Let's flip around and bounce around a little bit. Because
Speaker 1: I heard you say something, and when I met have,
Speaker 1: I did it. I didn't know the word to describe Havelf,
Speaker 1: but I think you called him the heart of the
Speaker 1: heart of the crew, and they need to be I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's right, that's right, And I believe you
Speaker 1: could describe him as a Don he was like, he's
Speaker 1: like a Don and that's the word I always wanted
Speaker 1: to use when I see like a lot of people,
Speaker 1: Pun was one of my closest friends in hip hop.
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't have been no Pun without Heavy D's.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been no Big without Heavy D. So
Speaker 1: for those for those that don't know, can you describe
Speaker 1: Heavy D?
Speaker 5: Heavy D was to me a class salute. I look,
Speaker 5: that's right. My birthday, we were talking about a class act,
Speaker 5: talking about somebody who was almost three hundred pounds. He
Speaker 5: knows how to dress immaculately, holds itself in high regard,
Speaker 5: knows how to conduct himself, and everybody on the planet's
Speaker 5: mama loved Heavy D.
Speaker 2: Right, you know what I mean? You know it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Before Heavy D, I didn't see like obese people be
Speaker 1: proud to be obese or even.
Speaker 2: Like hold it like that. The facts fato damn, you're right, but.
Speaker 1: No, no fad boys first.
Speaker 2: Fat boys is first. Nobody moved like head.
Speaker 5: Oh no, nobody was as graceful as Heavy Deal.
Speaker 2: And it really dancing.
Speaker 5: He was really like feathery feet dances and everything dances.
Speaker 3: He was dancing keeping up with them right right and
Speaker 3: breadth control and you were spitting times.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, we're talking about man close to three hundred pounds
Speaker 5: if he wasn't three hundred, right.
Speaker 1: And I just want to describe that era in hip
Speaker 1: hop because I feel like I believe you discussed this
Speaker 1: other day. I feel like that eighty eight early ninety
Speaker 1: ninety one era and nineteen ninety eight is like one
Speaker 1: of the greatest years of hip hop, and you played
Speaker 1: in both you had. I think obum dropped in ninety one,
Speaker 1: and I believe you came back out of the ninety
Speaker 1: eight with running up right? Is that is that the
Speaker 1: golden Here is a hip hop for you as well?
Speaker 5: I think it was anytime you can get into a
Speaker 5: genre of music and be a part of it or
Speaker 5: I have something to contribute to it. Like my first
Speaker 5: song was Johnny Gill Rubb You the Right Way, the remix.
Speaker 2: That was your first song. That was my first song.
Speaker 5: That was the first official remix of hip hop being
Speaker 5: on a record, remixed on the radio.
Speaker 2: I was the first.
Speaker 1: Ah, I'm not noting. I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: You might have the number one most requested song or
Speaker 1: hip hop song of all life. If I'm at a
Speaker 1: barbecue and they reminisced over you doesn't come on I
Speaker 1: leave the barbecue.
Speaker 3: That it's such an importance. It's like, not just to
Speaker 3: hip hop, I think, And you know what I limited
Speaker 3: to hip hop? Hip hop is it is the song.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: At a time, I wanted to contribute so something that
Speaker 5: was authentic, that wasn't an image that I'm trying to project,
Speaker 5: but I wanted to give them an inside close feel
Speaker 5: to what the plight of a black family is like
Speaker 5: with nothing on it but an anthem, but a song
Speaker 5: that a lot of people thought wasn't real, but every
Speaker 5: part of the song is real. When they say when
Speaker 5: these artists say I live my music, I definitely live
Speaker 5: all of my music. It's nothing fake about my music.
Speaker 5: It's all paying homage to the people who don't are
Speaker 5: not stars, but they're stars to me because they allowed
Speaker 5: me to have a life and a career.
Speaker 2: And that came across from the music. And you know
Speaker 2: what's crazy.
Speaker 1: That record is so familiar right that like young kids
Speaker 1: know it, but a lot of people don't actually get
Speaker 1: that you're paying tribute to your man, Troy. Like this morning,
Speaker 1: I was playing it and then I go to the
Speaker 1: director rise and I go, you know what this is about?
Speaker 1: And he looked at me and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what it stands for?
Speaker 2: Right, Troy? They reminisce over you.
Speaker 1: And you know he's young, he's young, he's a director,
Speaker 1: so I like, I felt like I was like discovering.
Speaker 2: Like he was like what he like? He didn't know?
Speaker 1: So that's how famous the record is that people couldn't
Speaker 1: hear it, And like, did you know did you know
Speaker 1: this record? Well? Because for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: that shit is going to outlive you. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be here even when when you were about around, did
Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be a classic record like that?
Speaker 5: I didn't know, but I knew I was writing something
Speaker 5: special because I haven't heard it from nobody.
Speaker 2: You know who writes something special?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 5: And you know you didn't hear it anywhere else? Right,
Speaker 5: So you know you tapped into something. I just don't
Speaker 5: know what it's going to do. You can't foresee, but
Speaker 5: you know that you tapped into something that no other
Speaker 5: artist is doing right now. It can come close, dear,
Speaker 5: Mama's close, right, but it ain't dead, mom. Dang.
Speaker 2: If you looked.
Speaker 1: At it like that and you were eighteen when you
Speaker 1: made this record on twenty one, twenty one, twenty one,
Speaker 1: You motherfucker's making this crash ass music as twenty one Steve.
Speaker 2: Listen to reminisce over you. This is it lasting for
Speaker 2: three decades and it's gonna last lor.
Speaker 1: You ain't get no excuse, you the twenty one trash
Speaker 1: you old rabbits.
Speaker 2: You ain't got no excuse. He just said it. I
Speaker 2: said it for him. Yeah, my bad.
Speaker 5: We were listening to different music normally we were listening
Speaker 5: to We were listening the crates and crates of old music.
Speaker 5: Man that was educating us, to force us to put
Speaker 5: out different music. You gotta understand what was out there, right,
Speaker 5: Big Daddy came, Hoogi Wrapped, Heavy d Public Enemy. You
Speaker 5: have all these groups. What do you have to contribute
Speaker 5: to all of this? And to me, we're not really
Speaker 5: the Golden era. To me, I feel like the Golden
Speaker 5: era was a little bit before the eighties when I
Speaker 5: was in high school.
Speaker 1: Get you part of go To.
Speaker 5: But that's such a but what makes you a great
Speaker 5: artist as being a fan too, it's understanding.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's like.
Speaker 5: You're Floyd, but you don't recognize Muhammad Ali. You got
Speaker 5: to re recognize Muhammad Ali to be a Floyd. To
Speaker 5: be something in this game, you have to be sparked
Speaker 5: by something. So with all that originality, did they know
Speaker 5: they were original? Like nobody was copying nobody's slang, nobody's music.
Speaker 2: They had the same producing it ain't sound the same?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Good point? How does that work? Good point?
Speaker 3: And what you this is the thing though, late eighties
Speaker 3: is definitely the golden era. But I think what you
Speaker 3: guys did with this record and the whole project is
Speaker 3: you allow the golden era to extend into the nineties.
Speaker 5: You guys, we wouldn't know if we didn't if Big
Speaker 5: Daddy came. But it didn't help me with He didn't
Speaker 5: helped me with CEO smooth name and being around and
Speaker 5: being able.
Speaker 2: To talk to them.
Speaker 5: They were accessible where where you couldn't catch a map.
Speaker 5: But if you was with Have Have gravitated every type
Speaker 5: of artist to his house. He was the godfather. It
Speaker 5: was the godfather of what we were doing. It's just
Speaker 5: that we were all young. We didn't recognize how it
Speaker 5: was formulating. But Have was beyond his years in being
Speaker 5: an artist and teaching you how to dress and talk
Speaker 5: and articulate and conduct yourself because you wanted what he had?
Speaker 1: What were life would have been like? Had have kind
Speaker 1: of signed like y'all all been signed to have what
Speaker 1: were life would have been like?
Speaker 2: Because that's what I think he was.
Speaker 5: Being rich a lot quicker like that, we would have
Speaker 5: been rich a lot quicker. It would have been more
Speaker 5: catalog to pick from. Because now you have all this
Speaker 5: wide open space of creativity, and he was a creator.
Speaker 5: He was a super creator, the songwriter, a rap artist,
Speaker 5: a director. What didn't he do? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So all you want to do is be like that.
Speaker 5: If you're in that lane and he was life, you're
Speaker 5: a super actor. So with those type of examples, how
Speaker 5: could you go wrong? All you got to do is listen, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Play the record has I just wanted to. I just
Speaker 1: want to let people know how contagious this record is.
Speaker 1: So will you my god, hold on? I always wanted
Speaker 1: to know that part when you're Queen's wis in the
Speaker 1: chapter You're not talking about the queens.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a queen.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about a queen.
Speaker 1: Always claim queen, but.
Speaker 2: I always queens. I know I was wrong. But I
Speaker 2: always claim, But your mother's from Queens.
Speaker 5: That's where we first. She's from Newroschelle. But when she
Speaker 5: got married, we moved from New Roschelle to Queens. Wow,
Speaker 5: which is a big, big, big, gigantic step.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, From New k to Queens.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that far. I did read your mom's
Speaker 1: living in Queens.
Speaker 2: She still does. Wow, that's what. So how damn so
Speaker 2: you got?
Speaker 1: You got Queens in you, you got newll and you
Speaker 1: and Mount Vernon and you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So let's take it from the beginning. How did what what?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What made you start rhyming? What was your inspiration at
Speaker 1: the beginning?
Speaker 5: My inspiration was when I was fifteen sixteen, huh and
Speaker 5: crack at first came out. I mean, I didn't really
Speaker 5: know the extensive of how the streets had changed, right because,
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm a humble brother. But I've always
Speaker 5: been around good and bad. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's never been all good. It's always been good and bad,
Speaker 5: mixture of real. But the bad ones, the bad ones,
Speaker 5: they changed the whole perception of how I see people
Speaker 5: on the outside, you know, Because I was going to
Speaker 5: school with kids who didn't get their hair comb snotty nose,
Speaker 5: brust their teeth close, wrinkled, but they switched up with
Speaker 5: their brother. You know what I'm saying, just sharing just
Speaker 5: that whole plight of her, of the black plaque, that
Speaker 5: black plight. Right, And then when that crack came out,
Speaker 5: you've seen them same snotty nose, little nappier kids with
Speaker 5: a ragtop, volver drop top bends, big jewelry, gold teeth.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: So it changed the perception of me of how I
Speaker 5: saw the street. And they always used to say, Yo,
Speaker 5: you need to come with us, You need to come
Speaker 5: with us. But I always felt that my destiny was different.
Speaker 5: I wanted what you.
Speaker 2: Had, I just didn't want to get it.
Speaker 5: How you got your fun, but I know it ain't fun.
Speaker 5: Another one day, I had a bunch of cracks in
Speaker 5: my pocket, maybe fifteen sixteen of them at Jamaica Park
Speaker 5: and I'm talking to black Rock and Ron it's another
Speaker 5: wrapped roop. So I'm talking to them and run drives
Speaker 5: by and that smoke great tenth BMW, and I knew
Speaker 5: that's me. Let me get my ass back to make
Speaker 5: it happen. Because that's me And when I saw that,
Speaker 5: that influenced me that and let me know that hip
Speaker 5: hop is a major influence on kids, man, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, It's a major, major influence on kids
Speaker 5: and how they see themselves and how you don't know,
Speaker 5: just you driving by can spark a person to be
Speaker 5: something and inspire something, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 5: that was incredible for me to see that.
Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about I'm sure this group
Speaker 1: inspired you. And in ninet ninety eight, I believe ninety
Speaker 1: seven ninety eight, you got a chance to do something
Speaker 1: back for them, which is Run DMC. Right, But Run
Speaker 1: DMC themselves claim that y'all saved their career.
Speaker 2: Do you understand how much of a compliment that is?
Speaker 1: Like Run DMC said, if it wasn't for y'all to
Speaker 1: do that record with them, that they record label was
Speaker 1: going to drop them, and like y'all.
Speaker 2: Literally saved them, talking about Down with the King. Of
Speaker 2: course we're talking about down with the King? Did you
Speaker 2: know that?
Speaker 5: I heard them keep saying it. But when you're doing it,
Speaker 5: you're not paying no attention.
Speaker 2: Or whatever at the time.
Speaker 5: You're just doing this because I'm just doing it because
Speaker 5: I'm in love with them.
Speaker 2: Come on to me, Nori felt.
Speaker 5: When I make a record with them, I'm official.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: You're not even helping save your heroes.
Speaker 2: Like I don't care about helping. Just let's make a
Speaker 2: good night, yo.
Speaker 5: That's what what make surprise me That it's sold more
Speaker 5: than Sucking Seas. I couldn't believe it. Wow, it's sold
Speaker 5: more than that. How is that possible? Because use the ship, sir?
Speaker 5: I felt like that was so crazy. So you know,
Speaker 5: I just want you to know.
Speaker 1: See I shows about giving people they flowers leave ready
Speaker 1: or at least out there? Okay, all right, cool, I
Speaker 1: show and we wanted to give your flowers. My dude.
Speaker 1: It's the very beginning of us starting this show. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And we wanted to face the
Speaker 1: face man Snoop Dogg, Sir, is better than the ground,
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, if you want to
Speaker 1: give you your flowers, my brother, because.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's not just us.
Speaker 1: I'm just and I said this on your intro, but
Speaker 1: I want to reiterate that. I want to say it
Speaker 1: before you dropped. It changed the whole rap game. You
Speaker 1: would you were your floor was on point. It made people,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, it made people want
Speaker 1: to be smarter because like shit is just like I
Speaker 1: can sincerely say this as one of my friends. I
Speaker 1: know that if it wasn't for you, it probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be a nas you know what I'm saying, Like with that,
Speaker 1: with that smart bars, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like And.
Speaker 1: Was that something that you was trying to do, like like,
Speaker 1: you know, educate people through the.
Speaker 2: Music or was it indicative to the era?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it was. I think it was a little
Speaker 2: of both.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, because what I was trying to do is
Speaker 5: certainly be different, but be articulate at what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: I want you to understand my parents was for a
Speaker 5: better term, they didn't understand the music, how simple it was,
Speaker 5: I think because they weren't interested in the music. But
Speaker 5: as they understood and they still didn't understand it, but
Speaker 5: they understood what I was trying to present to them,
Speaker 5: then they would put a whole different look on how
Speaker 5: this young hip hop thing is. It's not just a
Speaker 5: street thing, it's a culture thing. And that's what I
Speaker 5: wanted to contribute something to the culture, not to the street,
Speaker 5: but to the culture.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be here.
Speaker 1: I change the subject a little bit. I love to see,
Speaker 1: you know, artists who stood the test of time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can still go out there because you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a crazy, fucked up shit about our culture. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it, there's no such thing as called
Speaker 1: washed up and rock and roll. There's no such thing
Speaker 1: called washed up and jazz. Mick Jagen can fucking tour
Speaker 1: to the rest of his life at eighty you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. What is that at eighty years old's sniffing,
Speaker 1: cocing and biting a back, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, So I love I love when I see I
Speaker 1: think Buster said it on stage again, Sorry to keep
Speaker 1: mentioning you bust it, but Buster said, you know, I
Speaker 1: love when our OG's played the part because a lot
Speaker 1: of times we are telling these young young children this,
Speaker 1: this and that, but we're not doing it. So I
Speaker 1: love the fact that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're still out here and tribute into the
Speaker 1: hip hop like how we're doing. But what is your
Speaker 1: favorite part? Is it making the record or is it
Speaker 1: performing the record? Performing it performing it for some reason,
Speaker 1: I just gonna say that.
Speaker 5: But what I break it down, Well, because as you
Speaker 5: as you perform more and more you grow, you get better.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It's a one shot deal
Speaker 5: in the studio. Either you're gonna get it right. Is
Speaker 5: it like that to Okay? Yeah, because I always wanted
Speaker 5: to continue. So yeah, like you got one shot to
Speaker 5: get it right, yep. And then when you get it right,
Speaker 5: you got to get it right every night. So every
Speaker 5: night you're preparing yourself to get it right. It's like
Speaker 5: like when you perform, it's like a boxer.
Speaker 2: You I take it seriously.
Speaker 5: I don't know what other artists do, but I take
Speaker 5: my performances seriously like a fight. I don't want my head,
Speaker 5: rub my feet rub I know it's war, I know, right,
Speaker 5: So I step into this zone of performance and then
Speaker 5: when I get off, it's over. I'm back to me.
Speaker 5: I'm back to my regular self. Are we ready for
Speaker 5: Quick Time Slide?
Speaker 2: Come on? She's Luisa's real.
Speaker 3: I mean. The one thing about being on stage, though,
Speaker 3: it's it's an exchange of energy with the audience, the
Speaker 3: same for an artist for a DJ, and that's something
Speaker 3: you like, not everybody could do that.
Speaker 5: I want to give them my energy. A lot of times,
Speaker 5: most times I don't get their energy. I don't because
Speaker 5: I don't see them. They're just things.
Speaker 2: They're not I don't even see them. They're just things.
Speaker 5: You have to really do something for me to stop
Speaker 5: what I'm doing and look at you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You gotta really yeah, you gotta really do something for
Speaker 5: me to just check out of what I'm doing and
Speaker 5: look at what this ship is doing.
Speaker 2: You know, So I just see blur. I don't see people.
Speaker 5: I just see me giving you what I'm giving you,
Speaker 5: and whatever you're doing, that's what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, what more do I mean?
Speaker 6: This is?
Speaker 1: This is me. This is my personal question. Do you
Speaker 1: enjoy being in the group more or being a solo
Speaker 1: artist more?
Speaker 2: I like, I like.
Speaker 5: I like a little bit of both, you know, because
Speaker 5: I struggle with it because my heyday was the group, right.
Speaker 2: But now I don't have to check in with nobody.
Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about how the other person
Speaker 5: feel no more, because it's all about me and how
Speaker 5: I feel.
Speaker 2: So if I don't want to stay, I don't have
Speaker 2: to stay.
Speaker 5: I can move and come and go and move how
Speaker 5: I want, and talk how I want and display the
Speaker 5: things that I want to do. When you with another boss,
Speaker 5: it's like a marriage. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 5: gotta worry about what they do before you do what
Speaker 5: you want to do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And they'll always be in question if you don't ask them.
Speaker 5: So I like a little bit of both because I
Speaker 5: like the successes with the group. But then I like
Speaker 5: me because I write my own ticket. I can go
Speaker 5: home when I want to.
Speaker 1: It's like I heard you say, he was like, He's like,
Speaker 1: I knew. That's why I knew he's gonna be on
Speaker 1: time today.
Speaker 2: I knew he was.
Speaker 1: Gonna be on top. I was like, I knew it
Speaker 1: he was. I was just watching mad interviews on you,
Speaker 1: and I said, this motherfucker is not playing no games
Speaker 1: because you look you do look at life like a boxer.
Speaker 2: I do. I do, I really do. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I was watching certain interviews of you and I was like,
Speaker 1: because it's not a lot, it's not a lot.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn it.
Speaker 1: And a couple of them I was sa, he's super serious.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, Dad, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: you said, y'all, don't play with no one's time.
Speaker 2: I was like fuck and I was stream and by
Speaker 2: the way, I take pride on me early.
Speaker 1: But the person that he was wrapping up and he
Speaker 1: just couldn't stop, so I couldn't stop him. But that's
Speaker 1: the difference between me too, See me, I can relate
Speaker 1: to you because I'm so obviously I did solo thing
Speaker 1: and I did a group And one thing that I
Speaker 1: started to notice when I was with capone like I
Speaker 1: couldn't change him to be like me.
Speaker 2: I can't change him to be on time.
Speaker 1: And the more the more that I tried to make
Speaker 1: him like me, the more that he couldn't be couldn't
Speaker 1: be at all. So and I'm saying that in a
Speaker 1: good way because what I know I had to do
Speaker 1: was kind of like let him be him. Did you
Speaker 1: ever feel like that and being in a part of
Speaker 1: the group, Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I know the answer,
Speaker 1: But IM asking the world.
Speaker 5: Here, yeah, because you're looking at you're looking at a
Speaker 5: top five producer, right, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 5: you're looking at somebody who wants to come late you
Speaker 5: on time, he's going to be late because he's going
Speaker 5: to be over here and doing what he loved.
Speaker 2: And my love is on time. You know, That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know it's crazy people, people who's not in
Speaker 1: the group body can't relate to what you what.
Speaker 5: You just said.
Speaker 2: It's so complicated.
Speaker 1: It's so simply bad complicated because like you literally when
Speaker 1: you're in a group, even though it's two men, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could be eight different personalities.
Speaker 5: It's the Iley Brothers out there, motherfuckers, just tool y'all.
Speaker 1: But it's trust me, I know I've been through it.
Speaker 1: We got quick, Thomas Slime Ready, hold.
Speaker 3: The hold up before we go into that, because we
Speaker 3: started to talk about how you got aspired to be
Speaker 3: an MC. But let's let's track back actually getting to
Speaker 3: the beginning of the groups, like how do you guys connect?
Speaker 2: We connected in high school.
Speaker 5: It was all about these two young kids loving this
Speaker 5: old ass music, like old ass music means like the sad.
Speaker 5: None of none of our peers are listening to this.
Speaker 5: They're not. They're they're looking at us like we are crazy,
Speaker 5: Like what's wrong with you? Are you? Are you stuck
Speaker 5: in the time warp or Are you Are you chasing something? Yes,
Speaker 5: we are, we're chasing something.
Speaker 2: Are these your parents records that you're discovering these? Or
Speaker 2: this is just on your own? This is our parents
Speaker 2: raise their parents' records.
Speaker 5: We're doing We're doing things that teenagers are not doing
Speaker 5: and not doing it. That's like, that's like somebody saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're not going to the car veil because I got
Speaker 5: to watch my waistline in the nineties sun heard of.
Speaker 1: But for those that don't know, Carvel's ice.
Speaker 2: A mat of what you're eating.
Speaker 5: It's a matter of how you are disciplined in what
Speaker 5: you're doing. And we were discipline and what we were doing,
Speaker 5: and nobody was with it. Nobody could understand that concept
Speaker 5: of making music listening to these old records. They could
Speaker 5: listen to the finished product, but not the old product.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what we had in common, that
Speaker 5: we loved this old music and we wanted to create
Speaker 5: something with it, and that's what we were doing with
Speaker 5: the We started with pause buttoning and pausing in the
Speaker 5: music and looping it and we started from that here.
Speaker 5: We started from that and it became a bonding. It
Speaker 5: was three of us. It was like three of us
Speaker 5: before then they came to because the other one went
Speaker 5: to jail and he didn't see the vision. So you
Speaker 5: gotta see the vision. It's a vision. You gotta see it.
Speaker 5: It's not just about putting yourself there and sign me
Speaker 5: and I got half with me. No, it's a vision
Speaker 5: I want. I actually wanted to be better than that.
Speaker 5: I wanted his spot, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 5: wanted his spot because I saw it was so comfortable,
Speaker 5: was so natural, and I was a student of the game.
Speaker 5: In order for you to be a master, you gotta
Speaker 5: be a student. Very true.
Speaker 2: Are you ready to quick time with life?
Speaker 1: To him? The rules?
Speaker 3: This is our drinking game. We're gonna give you. Please, please,
Speaker 3: We're gonna give you two choices. Now, it's not to
Speaker 3: this is not a negative thing. We we just want
Speaker 3: to bring up people's names. Any stories you got, but
Speaker 3: you pick one. If you pick one, nobody drinks. If
Speaker 3: you say both or neither, which would be the piece
Speaker 3: the answer you just don't want to answer.
Speaker 1: It not good. But you ain't taking the PC roud
Speaker 1: I can tell you, But give us any stories.
Speaker 3: It's really about talking about the people and the places
Speaker 3: that we're bringing.
Speaker 1: Up you know, I'll bring it up later. Okay, Heavy
Speaker 1: D or DMX.
Speaker 5: Heavy D because he taught me everything and I wanted
Speaker 5: to beat him. DMX that was my brother, that was
Speaker 5: my old geez, that was his baby boy. So I
Speaker 5: really fond sentimental value for him personally. Like, yeah, we
Speaker 5: go deeper, we go into the dogs, like my dog
Speaker 5: and his dog were.
Speaker 2: Brothers and like that. They don't know that. They don't know.
Speaker 5: They don't know about that because there's certain things that
Speaker 5: he has that I don't bring out, and this certain
Speaker 5: things that I have that he doesn't bring out. But
Speaker 5: we have things in common. We talk about dogs. We
Speaker 5: had the same dog, We had the same This is
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. This is how it is
Speaker 5: that dogs are related. Dogs were related.
Speaker 1: That's some that's hard that I ain't gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: was not ready for that. Okay, Tupac or Biggie, and
Speaker 1: you got stories of both of them, right, I like.
Speaker 2: I like Tupac because it get all the bitches.
Speaker 5: Yeah you roll with Tupac. Yeah, Tupac used to be
Speaker 5: the weed man. Tupac used to That's the we got
Speaker 5: me and super Cat. That's where we got our weed.
Speaker 1: From like he was buying it off for him or
Speaker 1: he was giving he was giving it to he was
Speaker 1: giving it to me.
Speaker 2: I would have bought it, get it twisted, but he
Speaker 2: gave it to Did you say super Cat?
Speaker 5: You and supercan super Cat with sweatiness?
Speaker 2: Dude for some mo By the way, I want to
Speaker 2: see this nicture so bad.
Speaker 1: See how Supercat getting to weave from Tubac. That's a
Speaker 1: documentary in itself. Said god, you know, so this is
Speaker 1: on tour. This is just hanging with heav When with
Speaker 1: have you can see the whole world.
Speaker 5: That's right, You're gonna see everybody, because he's a gravitator.
Speaker 2: Yes, he gravitates energy towards him.
Speaker 5: Some humans they have that talent where he people come
Speaker 5: to him. They they man and woman, old, young baby.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he had, but I wanted it.
Speaker 5: I was trying to rub off on him any chance.
Speaker 1: I did you did you get the did you get
Speaker 1: to meet I know you got meet. Did you do
Speaker 1: underground Tupac? If you ever got to meet death Row Tupac?
Speaker 1: Because wasn't the room where y'all was gonna sat to
Speaker 1: death Row at one point?
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot of rumors, but that's
Speaker 2: what it was. The rumors. Yeah, yeah, I just love La.
Speaker 2: I didn't even care about he was smoking.
Speaker 1: Here I was.
Speaker 2: I was just cared about my weed in La.
Speaker 5: Okay, But did you bet Tupac? I'm defro Tupac. I
Speaker 5: met the death ro Tupop. But at that time, everybody
Speaker 5: was scared of him. So I remember taking a cab ride.
Speaker 2: With Tracy Waple's one time. Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Tracy Claverty from Tracy Ware Racy from a
Speaker 1: bad Boy.
Speaker 5: Here you go. So we I jumped out the cab.
Speaker 5: I see pop. This is when all the drama is
Speaker 5: supposed to be. Hit him up right, all the drama.
Speaker 5: And I see him out in front of the hotel
Speaker 5: and he got a crowd around him and he's smoking weed.
Speaker 5: So I said, I'm fiend and I just got out together.
Speaker 5: So I said, you know, and I'm going over there.
Speaker 5: So Tracy said, don't go. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 5: over there. So I went over there and he's talking,
Speaker 5: and he's talking. I just take the weed out of
Speaker 5: his hands right here you go, and then go about
Speaker 5: my business.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 5: He was that type of guy. He was that type
Speaker 5: of guy. Jesus, he was that type of guy I
Speaker 5: met Biggie, not Tupac. Biggie was just he was just
Speaker 5: too smooth. He was just a smooth guy. He was
Speaker 5: just he was. He was actually more humble than I was,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. He was he was, he was.
Speaker 5: He was a you could just tell he was a
Speaker 5: special type of guy. And the type of stuff that
Speaker 5: Jay Black used to tell me. I used to be like, yo,
Speaker 5: Jay Black, because you know Jay Blacks from Mount Vernon,
Speaker 5: Belly j So we all grew up together. Yeah, we
Speaker 5: all grew up together. So you know, he always used
Speaker 5: to tell me about Biggie and I used to be like,
Speaker 5: but damn, he don't act like that. He's like, Yo,
Speaker 5: you don't know Biggie like I do. I was like, Wow, that's.
Speaker 2: A bad man.
Speaker 1: Was when it happened to him. Yes I was. I believe, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah I was.
Speaker 5: And you saw him out there that I saw him
Speaker 5: out there, and you know, you kind of knew what
Speaker 5: what was going to happen when he got up there
Speaker 5: on the podium, and I was like, damn, when he
Speaker 5: got up there, I think I don't know what it
Speaker 5: was I think it was the the No, it was
Speaker 5: the awards and he said, what's up at.
Speaker 1: The Golden Globe? Or what was it?
Speaker 2: I think it was BT or something like that. It
Speaker 2: was already said from that point. From that point when
Speaker 2: he said what up l A, I was like, I'm leaving.
Speaker 2: Why I'm leaving?
Speaker 5: Because you felt I just felt like he shouldn't have
Speaker 5: said nothing. You shouldn't even acknowledge them be in and
Speaker 5: out like NAS did, be in and out like cl did.
Speaker 2: Just be in and out. Yo, what up? You good?
Speaker 5: I'm out in the next plane smoking. I think he
Speaker 5: stayed too long, you know. Damn, they don't get it twisted.
Speaker 5: I don't know why they don't think New Yorkers love LA.
Speaker 5: We love that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know see, let me, I'm gonna say something, right.
Speaker 1: I remember us going to the source of wars, and
Speaker 1: this is the source of wards. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember that. Everybody got robbed in California. Everybody got robbed.
Speaker 1: I didn't get robbed, but but the fuck that part
Speaker 1: about it was I dropped that album that week similar
Speaker 1: to how Big did, and they forced me to stay
Speaker 1: because I went number one. Damn there everywhere but what
Speaker 1: place l A l A. I did not go. I
Speaker 1: don't even got cracked the top twenty. So they were
Speaker 1: like you you you need to stay there and you
Speaker 1: need to put in work. So the record label did
Speaker 1: actually make me stay there. Now had something happened to me?
Speaker 1: Is that the record label for? Or is that my
Speaker 1: fall fall? Because I could have said, fuck them, I
Speaker 1: don't have to be number one here. I could get
Speaker 1: out of here. But I didn't. I still not and
Speaker 1: I and I listened to them. But that was like
Speaker 1: the same type of thing that Biggie I think went through.
Speaker 1: It's like like he was number one in LA is
Speaker 1: that exactly once?
Speaker 5: He was not one there? So he had to be there,
Speaker 5: like he didn't have to be there that long. He
Speaker 5: could have hit and run, okay, and he's done it before.
Speaker 5: He's a professional, so he's done it before. He Hi,
Speaker 5: how you doing? See you later?
Speaker 1: And you saying from the time you've seen him.
Speaker 2: And I've seen that. Me and my girlfriend left.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: When I saw that, I said, something going to happen. Man,
Speaker 5: we you know we're gonna mess up our time here.
Speaker 5: I think we need to cut this short and go
Speaker 5: back to New York. Because I'm so used to having
Speaker 5: a good time in LA, Like I'm ready died with
Speaker 5: the I'm with the I'm with the criminals. So how
Speaker 5: am I get robbed? I'm with the I'm with the robbers?
Speaker 5: How am I get robbed?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: People were telling them supposedly before he even went out there.
Speaker 3: I think J Prince said that he gave him my
Speaker 3: heads up. He said it on Drink Show. A couple
Speaker 3: of people give him heads up.
Speaker 5: How we Tea made me leave? How we how we Tea?
Speaker 5: You look rocks DJM Wow. Wow, it's it's too In LA,
Speaker 5: you could feel when something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Damn, you can't see in New York. I'm from there.
Speaker 2: I don't feel nothing. You have it right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 5: But in LA you could just tell something going to happen,
Speaker 5: Like I know the difference between partying having a good time.
Speaker 2: And then not having a good time and something's going
Speaker 2: to happen right, And And to this day it's like
Speaker 2: it's like La.
Speaker 1: It's like a ghost of rappers now, like so many
Speaker 1: things happen to rappers and it's like it's not it
Speaker 1: doesn't even get solved.
Speaker 5: I just think they'd be in how could you had
Speaker 5: a pocket?
Speaker 2: It's such thing as you had a pocket.
Speaker 3: But it's not just l a because Vegas Park happened
Speaker 3: in Vegas and there's but.
Speaker 5: I was late business l a business business. Let's not
Speaker 5: let's go nas or j.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. I have to drink. I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: think I need to drink.
Speaker 5: I just think that you know, it depends on what
Speaker 5: what type of what type of.
Speaker 1: Energy and moved you want? It sounds like a drink
Speaker 1: to me. Man, mm hmm. The o g and you
Speaker 1: ain't supposed to pick that one. Now, this one you're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna drink for. In my opinion, run DMC or
Speaker 1: the locks. That's your lawyer to you that, Yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 1: You gotta take it.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know you.
Speaker 1: Now, I know I know you. I need both. Yes,
Speaker 1: Joe Button or Gilly the Kid, I like the next one.
Speaker 2: You guys are funny. I like I like Gilly because
Speaker 2: Gilly's gonna make me laugh. And Joe. Butden, that's my man.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna buy him.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna buy him something, something, something different to put
Speaker 5: on his feet. I wasn't ready wasn't something different because
Speaker 5: he got a lot of money. So they need to
Speaker 5: give need to switch it up. I like Gilly because
Speaker 5: Gilly gonna make me laugh. I'm gonna smoke my ship.
Speaker 5: He what's the name? Might you know? Joe Button might
Speaker 5: find out? Hey, man, I don't like I don't like
Speaker 5: you today, you know what I mean? Gilly gonna like
Speaker 5: you just because just because, Okay, I respect a million
Speaker 5: dollars worth a game.
Speaker 1: That's right, big both fuck shut up? Pete Rock or Primo.
Speaker 1: I like these questions, by the way, not me.
Speaker 5: I like I like both. I like both because they're
Speaker 5: both the same ship. But Pete Rock gave me everything,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna go with pr I like that.
Speaker 2: I like k Capri or funk Flex.
Speaker 5: I love kid Capri, but funk Flex is my brother. Wow,
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna have to go with my brother, all right.
Speaker 5: You know we like the muscle cars. That's that's what
Speaker 5: we funk with. Yeah, that's right, that's the muscle cars.
Speaker 2: You see that green joint.
Speaker 5: He gave me serious that to Reno for to Reno
Speaker 5: five hundred, I just put everything new on that joint.
Speaker 1: I forgot you into the cars, into the Yeah I forgot,
Speaker 1: I totally forgot you the Duke Boys and Loop Duke that's.
Speaker 2: Okay, Brand Nubian or trick quest A brand Nubian.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right.
Speaker 5: I love tribe because my brother's Fife Diddy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, gotta go rite it or baby Okay? Podcast
Speaker 2: or radio.
Speaker 5: I would go podcast now because that's where it's at
Speaker 5: and I like to be fashion forward.
Speaker 1: Wu tang or n w a.
Speaker 2: Wu tang because I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 1: I respect that. Only built for Cuban links, a reasonable.
Speaker 5: Doubt, only built for Cuban links, because that's the workout ship.
Speaker 2: Let's connect politic deb.
Speaker 5: There you go, Juice or New Jack City, New Jack
Speaker 5: City Act?
Speaker 2: Come on now, Gang Star or Eric B and rock him?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Where the Hennessy White act?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Another shot here? I got. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 2: Rest in peace Guru?
Speaker 1: Yeah cool. You know what I thought about recently was
Speaker 1: asked this. There was like, yo, Who's who's one of
Speaker 1: your favorite rappers to drink with? I always forgot to
Speaker 1: mention Guru. You know he was a drinker. He was
Speaker 1: a super drink. Yeah who he was to drink? The
Speaker 1: symphony or don't curse. Don't curse because I was on it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: God damn, I would have picked that too.
Speaker 3: That's a classic, man, little madic are ready to die?
Speaker 5: We can took a shot? Yeah, way too. You know
Speaker 5: you got I was trying to pull it out. I
Speaker 5: was trying to get get out of come analog or
Speaker 5: digital digital, this this. I'm very curious to see. Where're
Speaker 5: gonna go with your own TV raps or video music box. Damn,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with video music box
Speaker 5: because because Ralph is my guy, and that was that
Speaker 5: was a little bit selective. You had to be a
Speaker 5: little bit on a certain plane. They be on MTV
Speaker 5: raps commercial with Ralph, he serviced everybody way big from
Speaker 5: the beginning.
Speaker 2: He serviced me when I was big the same way
Speaker 2: I was small. Wow.
Speaker 5: Truly covered. He covered it, and he gave me. He's
Speaker 5: the He's the reason why I was in their faces.
Speaker 5: He kept it playing.
Speaker 2: Did you see the Video Music Box documentary? Yes, I yo,
Speaker 2: that's it is hard is meant to do?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you said you're doing your own. I
Speaker 5: would love to do that. I would I would love
Speaker 5: to do that. I would love that.
Speaker 1: Hell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, ice cubeball scar Face, I would do scar Face, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 5: like I love ice cube, man, both, I love ice cube.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you want me to drink the ice.
Speaker 3: He's he burns out to Scarface. I hope he gets better.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, man, I did. I didn't love scar Face man.
Speaker 1: I mean when they say he was sick again, I
Speaker 1: thought they are sick. I thought they meant from before.
Speaker 1: So he's proud enough again the.
Speaker 3: Hospital and then obviously resting pizzat Man Scoop.
Speaker 1: Oh Man, fat a first promo. Coonaega a first promo.
Speaker 1: That's for fat Man Scoop. He was the first time
Speaker 1: anybody ever heard of Copona Noriega because we were.
Speaker 2: And he was at Tommy Boy.
Speaker 1: I believe that's one. Yeah, I believe. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: okay man, that deep? Thank you man. House of Pain
Speaker 1: or Cypress.
Speaker 2: Hills, Cypress Hill.
Speaker 5: Okay, I love House of Pain, but Cypress Hill Man,
Speaker 5: I smoke with him. They smoke them in Red Man's
Speaker 5: session is the session.
Speaker 2: To be at? Mm hmm, that's the session.
Speaker 1: Hell, red Man don't smoke no more?
Speaker 2: No, that's is that true?
Speaker 1: With him? He don't smoke? Yeah, unless he's fucking with me,
Speaker 1: he's with you. I think no, I think I think
Speaker 1: he's bungee jumping.
Speaker 2: Now, No, that doesn't mean he doesn't smoke.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's a bungee jumping.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, that's surprised him. Yeah, I think he doesn't.
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I think he doesn't. Let's look
Speaker 1: it up. I think that that's why he's doing.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have this smoke meth smokes. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you g care out cast.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 5: I love outcasts. I would have picked out casts. But
Speaker 5: that UGK, that pimpcy Man. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 5: just feel like sometimes I'm PIMPC you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I just feel like walking around my house and doing
Speaker 5: certain things. I take his cadence, his voice, his the
Speaker 5: way he would deliver it.
Speaker 2: I'm PIMPC Man. He said. I would have never thought
Speaker 2: you would have said that like that felt like three thousand.
Speaker 5: I'd have told you how if I felt like big boy,
Speaker 5: I would have told you I love them. They're my
Speaker 5: They're actually as good as my group. I put them
Speaker 5: up there with Michael. But that PIMPC Man is He
Speaker 5: actually said somebody left too soon and then give you
Speaker 5: a chance to get to the finale of who they are,
Speaker 5: the point of why they're here.
Speaker 2: He didn't get a chance to get to that part.
Speaker 2: His impact would it would have been serious.
Speaker 1: What do you think about he said that Atlanta is
Speaker 1: not the South. I still don't understand that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He's his name would be pimp if he didn't talk
Speaker 5: like that. He said whatever he felt. It wasn't tough.
Speaker 5: It was just to the point. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It wasn't tough. It was just it was tough, but
Speaker 5: it was. It wasn't tough. It was just a point.
Speaker 5: He was actually a good person to you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. Yeah, deep, yeah, peace penc common or most death.
Speaker 2: I like comment, okay, but most death.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: His answers are not answers.
Speaker 3: It's like answered.
Speaker 2: But you know I got that. I got that from
Speaker 2: Terrence Crawl into nothing. I learned that. I said, this
Speaker 2: is a skill, this is a.
Speaker 5: I don't really have to answer.
Speaker 7: He just got to people, I'm trying to hurt you.
Speaker 2: Finish you were saying. I don't know what I was saying. Death.
Speaker 5: Good guy. I just like the way he moves. You
Speaker 5: know what it is not to get off base, but
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take a ride. Okay, if you see these
Speaker 5: new rappers, I don't know any of their music.
Speaker 2: They gotta have.
Speaker 5: They could have good music, but I'm more interested in
Speaker 5: their life than their music. Like what kind of cases
Speaker 5: you got, what kind of broad you got, how you
Speaker 5: spend your money. I'm more interested in your life than
Speaker 5: your music. And the way things are now it's displayed
Speaker 5: like that. Now, fast forward back to.
Speaker 2: The brother.
Speaker 5: Being trapped in another country and not being able to
Speaker 5: come back. And I don't know how true it is,
Speaker 5: but that shit scared the ship.
Speaker 2: Out of me.
Speaker 5: I was like, damn man, how you gonna get back
Speaker 5: to your kids or how you going to get back
Speaker 5: to your life? And he masterminded his way through that
Speaker 5: live in Spain. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if he
Speaker 5: live on another planet.
Speaker 2: He could get away from anybody he got.
Speaker 1: Past, for.
Speaker 2: He's for real. I was scared to death.
Speaker 1: I thought he was.
Speaker 5: I didn't think he was gonna come back. I said,
Speaker 5: damn man, that's a hostage situation, man.
Speaker 1: But he did. He did it, man, so big him up,
Speaker 1: red man or method man that's the same ship taking
Speaker 1: a shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same ship shot.
Speaker 5: You can't even you know, Come on, baby shoppy birthday, man,
Speaker 5: that's right, happy birth Yeah, wish that the saki Mama Juana. See,
Speaker 5: that's what happens when you're when you're when you're moving
Speaker 5: up in the world thinking different.
Speaker 2: He's gonna tell you it's moving down.
Speaker 1: And they make that.
Speaker 2: They make that in all it's a it's a humbrew.
Speaker 1: We make that in a tough with person. It's not
Speaker 1: in a tough person's feet and kindle. Don't you don't
Speaker 1: want none of that?
Speaker 2: Great? Yeah? Yeah, literally literally literally next one the far
Speaker 2: sider does effects.
Speaker 5: I like that, dos man me to. I tour with them,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I toured with them little
Speaker 5: motherfuckers with them dreads. Man. Come on, man, they don't
Speaker 5: got dreads no more, though they got seesus. I see them,
Speaker 5: see see, I'm it's like going to somebody's funeral and
Speaker 5: but you don't want to go because you want to
Speaker 5: remember them.
Speaker 2: Like that's my motivation them dreads.
Speaker 1: You know what. Wow, coming out the sewer, we get
Speaker 1: deep that we always wanted to be facts hold on
Speaker 1: all of us yes, no, no, no, and they still
Speaker 1: tear looking on the sidelines, like, what the what we
Speaker 1: got a problem? Okay, the last one for quick time,
Speaker 1: it was lived. Do you get back into the interview?
Speaker 1: Loyalty or respect?
Speaker 5: I like respect because respect comes with loyalty.
Speaker 1: That's real. I ain't gonna lie. We don't have to
Speaker 1: take a shot. But that was so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm taking serious. That was so
Speaker 2: that queen ship. That's that you make left right.
Speaker 1: Now? This is this is this question. I probably know
Speaker 1: you probably know what's going to come out. Can you
Speaker 1: and Pepe rock straight in it out?
Speaker 2: I think we could, Okay if you keep it business because.
Speaker 1: I heard you say that. I mean he said the
Speaker 1: same thing. He's keeping business. We don't have to have
Speaker 1: any feeling anymore. You just have to have that feeling
Speaker 1: of wanting to win. You're like, plus, yo, man, you
Speaker 1: brought him up.
Speaker 2: They talked about me last week.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, because you know why. You know why, and
Speaker 1: you know why because me as part of being a group, right,
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know what it comes with, right.
Speaker 1: So you took care of our whole childhood, you guys together, right, right.
Speaker 2: So we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is me as a fan, This is
Speaker 1: not me as a businessman. As a fan, I feel
Speaker 1: like both of y'all can put it to the side
Speaker 1: for the sake of the fans. But I don't know
Speaker 1: really what it was. Was it a business thing? What
Speaker 1: was like? The was the was it? They say, the
Speaker 1: camera on the straw off? Because outside looking at I
Speaker 1: see y'all. I'm looking at the videos. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: be along with it, but I'm looking at the videos
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't.
Speaker 3: See where it written wrong. It was such a good matchup,
Speaker 3: it so perfect.
Speaker 1: Now I'm naive now because I don't know the ins
Speaker 1: and outs of this. All I know is how great
Speaker 1: y'all are together.
Speaker 5: But don't we look at every group like that, like
Speaker 5: why would it be a problem?
Speaker 2: Like why would it be a problem?
Speaker 5: That's that's capone and that's nor Riegle, Right, what's the problem?
Speaker 5: If it works, it works. It's a problem when it
Speaker 5: don't work. But if it works, shouldn't it be easier
Speaker 5: if it worked? Okay, That's how I look at it.
Speaker 5: But I also look at it as we were very
Speaker 5: young men and we came into this game nutty together right,
Speaker 5: So when we came up together, maybe other business pulled
Speaker 5: him in other directions and pulled me in other directions.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. So at that time, what
Speaker 5: one point I could pick out of it? Instead of
Speaker 5: being picky, one point I could pick at it as
Speaker 5: he can be paid to stay home. I can't. I
Speaker 5: gotta go on the road and get my money as
Speaker 5: the producer. But you're going to pay him to stay home. Now,
Speaker 5: how do I get my money? That's the question, that's
Speaker 5: the million dollar question. How do cl get his money
Speaker 5: if you're keeping him home? And then, on a bonus clip,
Speaker 5: if you got my producer producing other artists while my
Speaker 5: shit is working, then I'm competing against me.
Speaker 2: And my man is helping. Let's soak that in.
Speaker 5: Let's soak it in because at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it's not personal, bro, it's business. I want him to
Speaker 5: have what he has. This is his moment. Now what
Speaker 5: about my moment. I'm gonna have to go find my moment.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go find it. So it's a
Speaker 5: different chemistry now set than what it was. What's playing
Speaker 5: with it the whole time. Now it's a different chemistry
Speaker 5: set now I gotta come with something else. Why I
Speaker 5: gotta come with something else? When I came in with
Speaker 5: the original shit, I wrote all my shit? Where's my peg?
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna get my shit from James Brown and
Speaker 5: Author Price all and all these other guys. Ohio plays.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the records I paid for, Sam. How
Speaker 5: do I get my money back? Wow, it's a business.
Speaker 5: I love you, but it's a business. They love you, right,
Speaker 5: but you my business, So I love you different. It's
Speaker 5: my business. I'm gonna feed my man's in there now.
Speaker 5: They's six three and six two, So it don't matter
Speaker 5: no more. I'm free. But at twenty two, twenty four,
Speaker 5: these were my questions, right, So that's what it was.
Speaker 5: Back then, it looked beautiful on the outside.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it looks so sweet.
Speaker 5: On the outside, it looked, it looked it was a sweetheart.
Speaker 5: It was a it was a cream puff. And on
Speaker 5: the inside it wasn't no butterfly. It was bats.
Speaker 3: Jesus, it was creatures.
Speaker 2: Jewish creepers. Because I'm not gonna lie to you as
Speaker 2: a hip hop.
Speaker 1: Fan, to hear like I'm gonna be this is one
Speaker 1: million percent telling them the truth. I was on the
Speaker 1: internet searching and it said Pete Rock. It goes at
Speaker 1: see Smooth and it says this is Pete Rock and
Speaker 1: I would not click on it. I did not want
Speaker 1: to see it. That's how much y'all.
Speaker 5: It took a long time for me to even respond
Speaker 5: because I'm not. I'm not. I don't like I didn't
Speaker 5: want to click on it, like I don't like drama.
Speaker 5: But see, I know how he is.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: I don't know how he is now. I'm gonna be respectful.
Speaker 5: I don't know how he is now. But yeah, eight
Speaker 5: years something like that. But before that, you could be
Speaker 5: around a person and don't know that. Nigga, Right, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Every if you're not evolving, then
Speaker 5: you're not living, You're not gaining, You not, you're not
Speaker 5: earn ain't nothing because you staying the same.
Speaker 2: All my friends that stayed the same, ain't with me?
Speaker 1: Right about that?
Speaker 5: Or you change cel sure enough? You into guns and broads.
Speaker 5: I'm into flowers and curtains. I heard you be guarded it.
Speaker 5: We don't want to talk to you.
Speaker 2: We won't talk.
Speaker 5: And if and if and if it ain't nothing growing
Speaker 5: around you, if ain't nothing that I said, flowers. If
Speaker 5: ain't nothing growing around you, watch his ass, because ain't
Speaker 5: you ain't watering nothing, but you ain't cultivating nothing.
Speaker 2: Nothing's growing around you. Yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you because other than me seeing
Speaker 1: those two skits online, I don't feel like y'all went
Speaker 1: too far at each other.
Speaker 5: This is a long time ago now it was at
Speaker 5: I don't even feel that way no more because I
Speaker 5: got it out right. I let it build up and
Speaker 5: build up and build up and build up, and then
Speaker 5: I released it. So I don't feel that way about
Speaker 5: him no more. I don't feel that way about anybody.
Speaker 5: I want people to respect me like I respect them.
Speaker 5: But a man can't make you angry. A man is
Speaker 5: gonna make you angry. But how long is he gonna
Speaker 5: make you angry?
Speaker 1: For?
Speaker 5: I get that, how long you're gonna hold that four
Speaker 5: hundred pound gorell on your back till you release? And
Speaker 5: then are you gonna regret it? Or are you gonna
Speaker 5: stand on it? I like to stand on what I
Speaker 5: believe in, Like my music, you don't have to fake it,
Speaker 5: So why fake it now because you're angry or you happy?
Speaker 5: If i'm happy, I'm gonna show you my happiness. If
Speaker 5: I'm angry, I'm gonna show you I'm angry. But what
Speaker 5: is the solution? Though I'm a solution based nigga, I
Speaker 5: don't deal on emotion. I deal on solution. Do you
Speaker 5: have an answer for it? If you don't have an
Speaker 5: answer for it, then ridiculing me is not going make
Speaker 5: me do the right thing. It's gonna make me question
Speaker 5: your ability to lead me to the bag.
Speaker 2: What do you think have would say?
Speaker 1: Knowing?
Speaker 2: Would I know this is a what's that?
Speaker 1: What's that? You know?
Speaker 2: Heaf is a philosopher.
Speaker 5: He was something that have said, God damn, nigga, you
Speaker 5: never got your payday.
Speaker 2: Yes, it seemed like he would have been a fix
Speaker 2: he's a fixer.
Speaker 5: But he gave me. He did fix me with that line. Sometimes,
Speaker 5: in order for you to get money, somebody got to
Speaker 5: tell you something. He told me something. God damn, you
Speaker 5: never got your payday.
Speaker 2: So what was you supposed to do? Sit there and wallow.
Speaker 5: No, you're supposed to take whatever money you got and
Speaker 5: go make it your payday, put it into something else,
Speaker 5: Go buy something, flip it, go get some land and
Speaker 5: sit on it. Nobody got to know what you're doing
Speaker 5: as long as you ain't out here searching for the answers.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you talking about you never got your
Speaker 3: payday and going back to what you said about the samples.
Speaker 2: It has to do with the samples, the sample clearance,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 5: A part of what I'm saying is it has nothing
Speaker 5: to do with my payday.
Speaker 2: It has to do with business.
Speaker 5: If I'm paying for samples and I'm sitting home still,
Speaker 5: why am I paying for samples?
Speaker 2: So it does have to do with paying for No, No.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it again, if I'm paying for samples,
Speaker 5: like we're partners in this. Oh, I get it, now,
Speaker 5: we're partners in this. We got a bill here, right,
Speaker 5: I don't come with that bill. If I came with
Speaker 5: that bill, it would say, and they see, why OG
Speaker 5: cush my car, my new car because I gotta go
Speaker 5: to this studio with a new car.
Speaker 2: That's right, God damn yeah, How am I gonna feel this?
Speaker 2: If I don't have a new car, you gotta buy
Speaker 2: two of me?
Speaker 5: I gotta, yes, come on, So so we got a budget,
Speaker 5: worked like you got a budget. So now nothing else matters,
Speaker 5: but this project nothing else. So I know when I
Speaker 5: pay this, I'm gonna go on the road and get
Speaker 5: my money back. That's like when a nigga go re up,
Speaker 5: he going out on the block to get his money back.
Speaker 5: I'm not paying for nothing and I can't get my
Speaker 5: money back. Come on, how am I gonna be a
Speaker 5: good partner you there? How am I going to be
Speaker 5: a good businessman for you if I don't get my
Speaker 5: money back? So, no, we never got our paydaby, because
Speaker 5: we never worked it out.
Speaker 1: So what have said? That's you?
Speaker 5: He meant you, And before he died he said, Yo,
Speaker 5: I'm just so hurt that you never y'all niggas never
Speaker 5: worked it out to get your payday. You know, y'r
Speaker 5: niggas never worked it out to say, Hey, fuck all
Speaker 5: that right, let's get work, let's go, you know, work.
Speaker 5: I'm not asking for you to be my brother, no more.
Speaker 5: I'm not asking you to be my friend. I'm asking
Speaker 5: you to work, right, just work, just just work. And
Speaker 5: I'm not asking you to necessarily do it for me
Speaker 5: Because now I understand. I understand that the fans gave
Speaker 5: us a lot. We owe him. They bought a couple
Speaker 5: of houses, a couple of cars for us they bought.
Speaker 5: They gave us a few budgets, like, so can't you
Speaker 5: just give them something back, like just.
Speaker 1: Getting something.
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to say. Yo.
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna have tea together every Tuesday. Let me
Speaker 5: love you from afar. Now, I love in the space
Speaker 5: you at will come and I love it because that
Speaker 5: means you in a good mood. You're in a good space. Okay,
Speaker 5: take my good space and come to your good space.
Speaker 5: And let's give something back to the to the culture.
Speaker 5: Not because I'm pleasing you and you're pleasing me, because
Speaker 5: the fans want that, right they do.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, coming from from an era that
Speaker 1: I'm a part of, right, meaning like almost analogue, right
Speaker 1: where the records have to be made together. Right, let'spost
Speaker 1: peak tomorrow, says Yeah, I'm gonna send you ten beats. Right.
Speaker 1: Would you want to record those beats with him in
Speaker 1: the studio or would you want to stay in the
Speaker 1: confinement of your own.
Speaker 5: Place, whatever makes him comfortable, Because I'm prepared to.
Speaker 2: Do what's better. It's the project done.
Speaker 5: Whatever I'm flipping you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what needs to be done. Because I
Speaker 5: told you my ego was out the door. I'm ready
Speaker 5: to be strong. Fine ego and tough don't mean strong.
Speaker 5: It don't equite strong. Bad association spoils useful habits. So
Speaker 5: I'm not coming with a bunch of niggas to prove
Speaker 5: to you I'm strong. I'm coming to you by myself
Speaker 5: to prove that you am intelligent enough to get it
Speaker 5: the job done. That's the only thing that matter, because
Speaker 5: you ain't gonna be looking at me if the job
Speaker 5: don't get done. You ain't gonna look at me. You're
Speaker 5: gonna look at me when it gets done. And you say, yo,
Speaker 5: where you get that drill from? Where you get that
Speaker 5: hammer from? Where you get that nail? From here? Because
Speaker 5: I put it together because there's no simple clearance.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just being honest, even me hearing your voice,
Speaker 1: like I could just say, I'm just a fan of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I just sounds just like the records I love to add.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a very naive person. I realized that,
Speaker 1: like I realized that, like Reby Mad laughed at me
Speaker 1: when I told her, I was like, yo, I think
Speaker 1: I want a Terror Squad Reunion.
Speaker 2: She was like, you mean the Terror Squad and.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah.
Speaker 2: She laughed so hard. I was like, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: how gullible I was. But I want that. I wanted
Speaker 2: the last album by you and Pete.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And again I tried to
Speaker 1: not get into, you know, the personals because I don't
Speaker 1: really know.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't want to be personal because I got my
Speaker 5: own personal business, right, so I don't want to be personal.
Speaker 5: I just want to do business if if it's healthy.
Speaker 5: If it's not healthy for him, then okay, I can
Speaker 5: understand that.
Speaker 2: Then you's telling me I'm not ready for it.
Speaker 5: I'm ready for anything that's going to close the chapter
Speaker 5: that's going, that's going keep it, taking off this question
Speaker 5: mark and put it on a closure.
Speaker 2: We close that book with yeah, no more underline.
Speaker 1: So in your opinion, what do you think it's stopping
Speaker 1: him from doing that? In your opinion, like I said,
Speaker 1: we can't speak for him, but.
Speaker 2: Certain things you can't have an opinion on.
Speaker 5: Certain things you can't think about if you're going to
Speaker 5: do it, if you're really gonna do it, nor you
Speaker 5: can't think about him, you gotta think about it. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna think about you when you come to me with it.
Speaker 5: When you don't come to me with it, I'm not
Speaker 5: thinking about you. I'm happy for you because you in
Speaker 5: a good space, because I don't want you coming into
Speaker 5: my space messing it up. When you when you trail blaze,
Speaker 5: that makes my road easier. When you don't trail blaze,
Speaker 5: then that makes my road harder. So you don't have
Speaker 5: to be together in life. You together in life, spiritually
Speaker 5: you together. You might not be down with each other
Speaker 5: or like each other, but in the fans' eyes you together.
Speaker 2: You one thing. Y'all just doing your own thing.
Speaker 5: But I was always taught in business, give them your
Speaker 5: best sell give them, give them your best product. Don't
Speaker 5: hold it five years from now and think they're gonna
Speaker 5: it's gonna be worth that. Don't give it me ten
Speaker 5: years from now and think that I could jump like that. Nah,
Speaker 5: there's only a certain space you could jump like that
Speaker 5: and work like that and real realistically in the book
Speaker 5: of life, it's closing because we in a black culture
Speaker 5: with the door closes quick.
Speaker 2: Do you understand only the only the smart.
Speaker 5: See, you can be tough halfway, but then how do
Speaker 5: you get to the finish line? Being smart? You understand.
Speaker 5: So if your life ain't good, how your career gonna
Speaker 5: be good. Your life gotta be good now for you
Speaker 5: to make your career good. So anything you do, you
Speaker 5: loving it. But when you when you got a nagging
Speaker 5: wife and your kids is hungry and your grandkid don't
Speaker 5: know where it's coming from.
Speaker 2: Then you don't.
Speaker 5: You ain't got you ain't you ain't part. You don't
Speaker 5: got the wheel. I got the wheel, bro, I got
Speaker 5: the table. I got the table right now. So in
Speaker 5: my world, in my life, I feel like my private
Speaker 5: life is way more to resting in my career because
Speaker 5: I'm into it because that's what's going to hold up
Speaker 5: my career. If I got to look at my career
Speaker 5: to feed it then And no, you need your moves, bro,
Speaker 5: your moves to love him and respect him for what
Speaker 5: he gave you. Because you're different. Why you're gonna be
Speaker 5: mad at him? Because he different? Everybody different? You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Treat people like you want to be treated, though,
Speaker 5: I'm serious, because it's too too many people dying for nothing,
Speaker 5: too many people getting hurt for nothing, and I'm saying,
Speaker 5: you got a bag and you still hanging with homie
Speaker 5: who wants you to die, who wants you.
Speaker 2: To not live.
Speaker 5: He want to unlive you unless you pay him. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. See, my life is pure, my life.
Speaker 5: I didn't get to these age lucky. I got to
Speaker 5: this age strategically because I don't put myself around good
Speaker 5: and bad.
Speaker 2: It wasn't all good and what isn't all bad?
Speaker 1: That's real? So let me ask, right, because I don't
Speaker 1: know if I heard this recently. It was a rumor that,
Speaker 1: like you know, Eric Being rock Him Rock the first
Speaker 1: album that they dropped Eric Being Rock Him. I believe
Speaker 1: all of the monies went to Eric and then it
Speaker 1: was supposed to some shit like that, right where like
Speaker 1: that's the reason why you don't have no more Eric
Speaker 1: Being Rock Him albums because one budget went to one
Speaker 1: and when it came time for the other time to
Speaker 1: be to get the budget, there wasn't to be found.
Speaker 1: That's just the rumor. I have no facts of that.
Speaker 1: It was was that the part of the breakup was
Speaker 1: it my money. Never had problem with money?
Speaker 5: Wow, yo, Never one time did I have problem with
Speaker 5: money with him. Wow, I could, I could think of something,
Speaker 5: and I could think of one thing, but it ain't.
Speaker 5: It's petty. Wow, it's petty, and it's only going to
Speaker 5: open up a door. No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's never been because we're on different levels of things
Speaker 5: when it comes to these women.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He was married a majority
Speaker 2: of the time.
Speaker 5: Okay, he was out there. I was strategic with so
Speaker 5: it was going to take a certain type of woman
Speaker 5: to bring me to where I want to go as
Speaker 5: a man, and that's what I got. But you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, right, So, yeah, we were living two
Speaker 5: different lives, but parallel to where we gotta go to
Speaker 5: get to where we need to get to get peace
Speaker 5: and tranquility, because a lot of times money is not
Speaker 5: the happiness.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's good to have when you want.
Speaker 5: To get problems out the way and fight wars. That's
Speaker 5: the only thing it's for. It's not for nothing else.
Speaker 5: It's not to dress up and be cute. It's to
Speaker 5: fight wars and make sure my family and my table
Speaker 5: and my wheel is turning.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 5: I don't need nothing else because I'm at a level
Speaker 5: where I just want to create. I just want to
Speaker 5: ride my muscle car. I'm an introvert. I don't really
Speaker 5: need a lot of company, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't need a lot of validation. I just want
Speaker 5: everybody to be good. When I see you eating, when
Speaker 5: I see your button eating, when I see Gilly the
Speaker 5: Kid eating, when I see these people eating, I'm happy
Speaker 5: because that's one less nigga with a gun.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: We don't need it because there's so much violence in
Speaker 5: this culture now.
Speaker 2: And that Biggie poc ship is like.
Speaker 5: A acorn, and this ship is like a boulder, and
Speaker 5: our ship is like a little acorn. Now, I'm talking
Speaker 5: about how the culture is nor where death is a
Speaker 5: part part of the culture now of it. Now what
Speaker 5: I don't know none of your music, but I know
Speaker 5: you're in Rikers Island, right, I know you got seven
Speaker 5: eight million dollars and you on Rikers Island.
Speaker 2: That is blowing my mind.
Speaker 1: I thought we were doing it to get out, get out,
Speaker 1: make the money, and get out. They make the money,
Speaker 1: run it in. Yeah, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 2: I don't but somebody is making the money.
Speaker 3: Do you ever buy into the concept of the theory
Speaker 3: that Ice Cuban. A couple of people have said about
Speaker 3: the private prisons and the record labels being in kohoops
Speaker 3: with each other.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't listen. It seems like what.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't doubt it when I know that these millionaires,
Speaker 5: most of their investments are a prison. If I'm a billionaire,
Speaker 5: I got a prison. How am I not going to
Speaker 5: have a militia in an army and don't have a prison.
Speaker 2: Come on, bro, Even even Pablo had a prison.
Speaker 3: That he can imprisoned himself and he got out of himself.
Speaker 2: Iblo had a prison.
Speaker 5: Bro. Money could do a lot of things. That don't
Speaker 5: mean you're gonna do the right thing with it. Well,
Speaker 5: you could have a lot of money and do the
Speaker 5: wrong thing with it and sustain it because that's your thing,
Speaker 5: that's your mentality, that's your mind.
Speaker 2: My thing is peace on earth because my people need it.
Speaker 5: Like they just had a meeting in la which got
Speaker 5: nothing to do with a New Yorker, but I respect
Speaker 5: it because it's black business.
Speaker 1: Y g.
Speaker 2: He did the peace walk. After that, they did the
Speaker 2: crypts did the.
Speaker 5: Sixties and all the way from the forties year because
Speaker 5: I'm a historian of black people.
Speaker 2: I'm a historian of black culture.
Speaker 5: Like one of my idols is a cryp from when
Speaker 5: I was a young kid, og Turtle. But I don't
Speaker 5: say anything because I get what I get out of it,
Speaker 5: and that's his hustle, his vision, his mentality, his swag.
Speaker 5: I'm a New Yorker. I love swag that attracts me.
Speaker 5: So I love this cause I loved his being. I
Speaker 5: loved his the way he functioned. He was a high
Speaker 5: function in person. So a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm a world I think for the world. I don't
Speaker 5: think like a hood nigga no more. I think like
Speaker 5: the world. In all the world, there's hood niggas in it. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. There's nothing but hood niggas
Speaker 5: in it. I learned that in Paris.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's hood niggas everywhere. This hood is speaking all types
Speaker 5: of shit.
Speaker 1: Take hood.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, And you'll calm down by
Speaker 5: force or by relation, it's however you want to do it.
Speaker 5: But in my heart, I love I know how important
Speaker 5: it is for the black man to have peace in
Speaker 5: his life, have some direction, and purpose, because it's ten
Speaker 5: times harder for us, it's ten times harder for a
Speaker 5: Spanish man. It's ten times harder. If I was white,
Speaker 5: I'd be in the stratosphere with what I wrote. I
Speaker 5: thought about that a year ago. I said, if a
Speaker 5: white man wrote Reminisce, Wow, Wow, what.
Speaker 2: Would he have?
Speaker 5: He'd have ten times more than what Corey pingut. How
Speaker 5: it's big. It's big. What the plight of a man
Speaker 5: has to go through when he's colored? And it's all
Speaker 5: over the world. I didn't listen. I grew up in
Speaker 5: New York, the Old New York, the New New York.
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan of the only thing I'm a
Speaker 5: fan of is everything is right there. I don't got
Speaker 5: to walk nowhere. Everything when I go outside is right there.
Speaker 5: The Jordan's is right there, the underwears is right there,
Speaker 5: the T shirts is right there, the socks is right there.
Speaker 2: In the restaurant might be a mile away, but I
Speaker 2: could walk. Can you walk? Can you walk?
Speaker 5: I done got all types of money, and niggas can't walk.
Speaker 5: I don't understand it. You mean you can't walk in
Speaker 5: this jungle?
Speaker 2: No more? Then you don't need to be in this jungle.
Speaker 2: No more.
Speaker 5: That's why I got money to walk into jungle, not
Speaker 5: to have some dude will hold my hand in it
Speaker 5: or need security to walk in the shit that I
Speaker 5: walked in when I was nutted. No, it should be
Speaker 5: the opposite. I'm more powerful now with money. Why can't
Speaker 5: I walk in it. I'm gonna walk in it with nothing.
Speaker 5: If I gotta wear the same clothes, they gotta wear
Speaker 5: it too. I'm a blending it, but I'm gonna be walking.
Speaker 5: I'm not paying nobody to check in and do this
Speaker 5: and do that.
Speaker 2: That's not my culture. That's not how I grew up.
Speaker 5: I don't go by rules. I go buy morals and standard.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna ask you a question. It's gonna sound cliche,
Speaker 1: but did you ever think that hip hop would go
Speaker 1: this far?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, I now say, And now that it's far, it's dangerous.
Speaker 5: Now that it's far, and with making the money that
Speaker 5: we always wanted to make you die you, how is
Speaker 5: it possible for you to win?
Speaker 2: Now? They made it impossible for you to win? Hold on?
Speaker 2: You mean, first I get the deal.
Speaker 5: Then when I get the deal, the first thing I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do in this climate is I'm gonna pay no
Speaker 5: allitment twenty thirty grand criminal attorney. So when I go
Speaker 5: to I get right out right, I get right out.
Speaker 5: You know that queen shit, get right out. That's how
Speaker 5: you know you got money, right, Because if it's sitting
Speaker 5: in the shoe box.
Speaker 2: The lawyer can't get that.
Speaker 5: When I got money, the one hundred thousand dollars check,
Speaker 5: thirty of that is going towards the criminal lawyer, because
Speaker 5: I know hanging with criminals.
Speaker 2: I'm not hanging with nothing else. I'm hanging with criminals.
Speaker 5: So criminals gonna do with now when I give him that,
Speaker 5: when I hit him off, I'm gonna be blamed for
Speaker 5: them guns. I'm gonna be blamed for them drugs. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be blamed for that. Why because I gave it
Speaker 5: to him. They can't do what I do, but they
Speaker 5: gotta make a living. But I supply them. Now I'm
Speaker 5: in trouble. Now, if it's more than three or four
Speaker 5: of them they got.
Speaker 2: I'm in the soup. I'm in the rico.
Speaker 5: Because now I didn't take my mom and daddy and
Speaker 5: me and sell drugs. No, I took three or four
Speaker 5: of my friends and I stayed out of it.
Speaker 2: But I'm the I'm the I'm the financier.
Speaker 5: Come on, bro, now I'm going to jail again now
Speaker 5: to keep that ship, I gotta kill you, yep, I gotta,
Speaker 5: I gotta, I gotta. I gotta kill you. And to
Speaker 5: protect him, I gotta kill you too, because he ain't
Speaker 5: killing nothing. He too busy rapping, be too busy getting
Speaker 5: the bag. He is heavy. Happy birthday.
Speaker 1: Yest's heavy because so let me Uh. The rap game
Speaker 1: has been beautiful to me, very right, but it's also
Speaker 1: been harsh, right because it's like life, right, yes, very
Speaker 1: much like life. And I remember me entering rap game
Speaker 1: and I do this to this day. Like a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, I don't work for free, right, but
Speaker 1: if it's something I.
Speaker 2: Love, I'll do it. Right.
Speaker 1: When was the moment that you was like, damn, because
Speaker 1: I heard you say earlier you said, this is business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we all love the rap. If you're a rapper,
Speaker 1: you just love the rap, right, it's just in you.
Speaker 1: You love to be artistic, right, right. But then there's
Speaker 1: a point where you're like, yo, this is a business.
Speaker 1: Like for me, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I
Speaker 1: was running around doing features and just doing it and
Speaker 1: Pun was like, do you know that people pay for this?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you get paid for a feature
Speaker 1: and Pun told me that. So that was kind of
Speaker 1: like my moment where business struck me and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Holy shit, I'm not here to make
Speaker 1: friends with these people. I'm here to do business. So
Speaker 1: that was my moment. When was your moment when you
Speaker 1: was like, yo, this like this is this is this
Speaker 1: is my art, this is my job, this is my career,
Speaker 1: like Whoenmen's that moment where you had because you know,
Speaker 1: we were all young. And then so women's the moment where.
Speaker 5: When I sat in the meeting and it wasn't talking
Speaker 5: about me in my future, oh elaborate, when they were
Speaker 5: talking about what my producers producing and not what I'm
Speaker 5: producing and not where I'm going. Oh wow, so it's
Speaker 5: a record label. Yeah, okay, we label electric Electric.
Speaker 1: Wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sitting there with having a meeting with her,
Speaker 5: but we're not talking about me, We're talking about him.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So just to make sense of it, You're you're in
Speaker 3: a meeting about Pete Rock and steals food, but I'm
Speaker 3: taking it.
Speaker 2: About mecking a soul brother. Yeah, okay, the group.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because now we're getting into we're not with Bob
Speaker 5: Cras now, no more.
Speaker 2: We with Sylvia wrong wrong, a black woman, yeah, strong
Speaker 2: black woman.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: And she needed all that strength and then get it.
Speaker 2: I needed it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Listen, I got a mom, I got I got a grandma.
Speaker 5: I told you about it. I got great aunts, all right,
Speaker 5: I got cousins that are like aunts.
Speaker 2: And you say you're looking at Sylvia.
Speaker 5: You're like looking at her like, okay, if this white
Speaker 5: man is gonna give me all this money, imagine.
Speaker 2: What she gonna give me.
Speaker 5: Good point. Now we're human. Now you can be wrong.
Speaker 5: You could be blocking up the wrong tree. You understand, yes,
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: So you were wrong. You said it was wrong.
Speaker 2: I was wrong.
Speaker 5: I was totally out of the loop and I was expendable.
Speaker 2: Because you gotta work.
Speaker 3: Hold on.
Speaker 1: Let me just say something because right now we're going
Speaker 1: to the president. Would think and yes, so you're saying
Speaker 1: your voting for con.
Speaker 2: Saying I should have been shot, and let me get
Speaker 2: a set. My god, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: Your here's your talking.
Speaker 1: You will talk.
Speaker 2: I ain't come here.
Speaker 5: I'm leaving, okay, I got no thing against them because
Speaker 5: I'm self made.
Speaker 2: You didn't give it to me like he was supposed to.
Speaker 1: But you're saying, when Sylvia Room, you got this, they
Speaker 1: get no money.
Speaker 5: I got let loose. I was expendable because I felt
Speaker 5: I could be wrong. Like I said, I came in
Speaker 5: all wrong. I came in with the wrong attitude because
Speaker 5: I was a young nigga expecting this. And then when
Speaker 5: I came in here and expect that, why am I here?
Speaker 5: So listen, as a young man, I acted that way.
Speaker 5: Do I blame him?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Because you're only twenty five for a little bit, right, Okay,
Speaker 5: now I'm this way. I'm gonna handle it different because
Speaker 5: I'm wiser, I'm older. But back then, I wasn't trying
Speaker 5: to hear that, Like, what do you mean I'm expendable?
Speaker 2: How does this?
Speaker 5: So you're taking his groups and you're saying that's more
Speaker 5: important than his group?
Speaker 2: So with my shit. See, we don't know that they
Speaker 2: literally told you that.
Speaker 5: Listen, we're only here to talk to inside of shit,
Speaker 5: not the outside of shit.
Speaker 2: But did they tell you that that you were expendable
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: They showed me in this game. They don't tell you.
Speaker 5: They show you you expendable, you don't mean nothing because
Speaker 5: they feel if I gave him.
Speaker 2: Listen, you ain't give me no money.
Speaker 5: If you gave him some money, then you expect him
Speaker 5: to do what you want him to do. But you
Speaker 5: didn't give me no money, and you didn't ask him
Speaker 5: when you gave him that money. Do I have anything
Speaker 5: to do with the success of what he's doing? So
Speaker 5: where's my money? That's business. That's not thinking like a
Speaker 5: person that money hungry. Why am I here in this
Speaker 5: building when I could be on the corner smoking reefer
Speaker 5: in shooting dice. Why am I here when I could
Speaker 5: be in front of my business smoking reefer and shooting
Speaker 5: dice over there too. Come on, give me something that
Speaker 5: I don't have. That's business.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, right because I had Leo
Speaker 1: Cohn's here and I had to ask Leo Cohns straight up.
Speaker 1: I was like, do you think you are the reason
Speaker 1: why Rockefeller broke up? Do you think the reason you
Speaker 1: and Pete is going through whatever y'are going through is
Speaker 1: because of the record label and not be it's not
Speaker 1: a director.
Speaker 5: It's partly the blame because if you're going to give
Speaker 5: somebody some money on the side to stay home, to
Speaker 5: do my money is to go on the roll. If
Speaker 5: he's not going to duck, yeah, then it's a duck.
Speaker 5: Come on, Why we gotta go there? I just want
Speaker 5: some money and get out of this building, right right.
Speaker 5: Let me fulfill six whatever you got on the table,
Speaker 5: and I'm out because I asked Bob kras Now for
Speaker 5: this and he gave it till he was select records.
Speaker 5: Who is Bob Bob kras Now? And what's the Spanish
Speaker 5: dude's name? Ruben?
Speaker 1: Not Rick Rubin. Obviously you're not talking about jelly Bean.
Speaker 5: There's another Spanish dude, and I feel embarrassed that I
Speaker 5: forgot his name. I almost think he took me to
Speaker 5: dinner with Teddy Pendergrass. Yeah, man, he took me to
Speaker 5: dinner with Teddy Pendergrass. And I can't remember his name
Speaker 5: because I'm drinking on drinking. Who is after Bob kras
Speaker 5: Now at Electra?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but no, it was a Spanisher. He learned English,
Speaker 7: some guy he blamed learning English, right, and gave ship
Speaker 7: some money?
Speaker 2: Come on, man, so damn gave me a lot of money, man, damn.
Speaker 5: And and Daunte Ross got some checks. Daunte Ross cuts
Speaker 5: some checks and I love Dante. We needn't shell Be
Speaker 5: need Shelby, need big publicists. That ship is so strong
Speaker 5: I can smell it here. Ship yees, come on, I'll
Speaker 5: be on my porch with the Hennessy.
Speaker 1: But this is how I know you're a Caribbean nigga,
Speaker 1: because you're drinking Hennessy Wright.
Speaker 2: That's that's the only Caribbean on vacation every day. I'm alive.
Speaker 1: That was the correct Oh my god.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So God comes down right right and God said, see,
Speaker 9: I want you to make one record, and you got
Speaker 9: one producer to pick to save humanity, any type of
Speaker 9: record you're gonna make, and you get one feature.
Speaker 1: God asked you that, and what producer would you pick?
Speaker 1: And what artists would you pick?
Speaker 2: All time?
Speaker 1: They could be dead alive anything producing an artists.
Speaker 5: Me and Nas is going to Primo House, you and Nas.
Speaker 5: Me and Nas are going to Primo the Premier House. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we're going to Premiers. Holy shit, we're going to write
Speaker 5: over there and make some of that walk that big ball.
Speaker 5: I can see like that's like run DMC. That's like
Speaker 5: changing your life. See, I want to do things that
Speaker 5: change your life. You know what I'm saying, old, young,
Speaker 5: middle to change your life. Make a move because we're
Speaker 5: only here on earth for a little while, so why
Speaker 5: not make the move because we're gonna be up there shining.
Speaker 2: Make the move.
Speaker 1: I can hear this record, make the move here, last
Speaker 1: record I would have loved. You know.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing I'm mad at Pete Rock about
Speaker 5: is that we didn't make a record with Nas.
Speaker 2: And he was willing to do that.
Speaker 5: Nas was willing to He was willing to do that
Speaker 5: on one condition that you get back together.
Speaker 1: Nah, don't say this, No, no, say what I told
Speaker 1: you first.
Speaker 2: Please look look there's the book.
Speaker 3: That business model right here, the business model for you,
Speaker 3: the documentary Mass Appeal produces it. All that sim we'll
Speaker 3: get back together and do a record on Mass Appeal.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so dope. That's so dope. I like business
Speaker 2: like that. That's so dope. Doesn't even take.
Speaker 5: Me out of mind, my ship, because you know what's
Speaker 5: so dope about this is we had Nas on here,
Speaker 5: right And I asked Nas a question, have anybody ever
Speaker 5: fronted on you?
Speaker 2: And now I said, yes, Prince fronted on me.
Speaker 1: Because Prince said he wouldn't do a record with me
Speaker 1: because he didn't own He didn't own his own mask.
Speaker 1: This is, by the way, I have no facts on
Speaker 1: this other than what I said the importance of these records.
Speaker 1: So you know, let me tell you something that is
Speaker 1: so dope up now to go in his inner childhood
Speaker 1: and say, I'll do the record with y'all like this, but.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get back again, gotta get back together.
Speaker 1: That's dope, bro.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be a part of that.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know he really want to do and I
Speaker 5: respect that what I really want to do, yes, Like
Speaker 5: I know that's your business, yes, but I know what
Speaker 5: I really want to do, right, So I respected that
Speaker 5: and that's I do too, and me I do too
Speaker 5: that that was bigger than just doing the record showing
Speaker 5: me something, Yeah, because I mean because I just literally
Speaker 5: love you. I love it like this though, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. Don't give me the don't give me
Speaker 5: the burger without the bun, just give me the pun.
Speaker 1: He low call died. He ain't on a low call die.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something just in case you
Speaker 1: don't know. And I try to tell it to Pete.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell it to you. Your brother's really
Speaker 1: changed probably everybody in this room life. And sometimes you
Speaker 1: know when a thing is outdone, I know how it is.
Speaker 1: You don't want to revisit certain certain things sometimes. But
Speaker 1: to people in this room, fans, people that support your movement,
Speaker 1: that's something that we really really, really really really want.
Speaker 1: And I, like I said, I've been searching you so much,
Speaker 1: and I can see your militant your militant mind statements
Speaker 1: like Yo, we don't even gotta be in Like whatever,
Speaker 1: you can send me the beat, let's get this guest,
Speaker 1: let's give it to the fans. Yeah, what makes you comfortable?
Speaker 1: And I like that whatever you love, I can adapt
Speaker 1: to see. It's all about adaptation.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 5: If if I can't adapt and I can't see, I'm
Speaker 5: a firm believer in being uncomfortable to get comfortable. I'm
Speaker 5: a firm believer in that because if you're not ready
Speaker 5: to work under hostile conditions, then you can't work period.
Speaker 5: So you just delay in the process of failure. Because
Speaker 5: you can't work under hostile conditions. You can't work when
Speaker 5: it ain't in your favor, when when the when the
Speaker 5: percentages are tilted, you ain't showing. Oh, I could work
Speaker 5: around that, because little small things make big things.
Speaker 2: Little small things add up to big things.
Speaker 5: But if you're not willing to only do big and
Speaker 5: not do small, then you ain't gonna have nothing. I
Speaker 5: know that in business because it's a chemistry set. In business,
Speaker 5: it's a chemistry set. But it's also based on who
Speaker 5: you are and what you want are you Are you
Speaker 5: a functioning, high quality function in person or are you
Speaker 5: low functioning?
Speaker 2: It depends on what you want to do.
Speaker 1: So the friendship stopped? What was the point where or
Speaker 1: did it? Did the friend What was the point where
Speaker 1: you and peace friendship stopped?
Speaker 2: Because like I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 5: I feel like our friendship is it's a friendship that's
Speaker 5: fractured but keeps going.
Speaker 2: It's it's something that like.
Speaker 5: I can get rid of any other friend, but you
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like like I could get
Speaker 5: rid of any other friend, but you you my friend.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Like like that, but I could get rid of anybody,
Speaker 5: but you, And I know I know for sure one
Speaker 5: thing for certain, two things you.
Speaker 2: Can't get rid of me. I understand you so much.
Speaker 5: You listen, I understand we got We always will have
Speaker 5: a common knowlogy, even though we think different. We're gonna
Speaker 5: have a common knowlogy because in life's plight, you are
Speaker 5: my brother.
Speaker 2: I could see all day.
Speaker 5: You ain't my brother, You ain't my friend. You ain't
Speaker 5: nothing to me. I got my own money. You ain't
Speaker 5: buy my house, you ain't buy my cars? What bank account?
Speaker 5: I'm a hunt. I'm well over with the what you
Speaker 5: gave me. But that's not what the people feel. Fuck you,
Speaker 5: that's not what the people feel. The people feel. You
Speaker 5: guys are brothers. You how much money do you got
Speaker 5: because you came in here? Nutty? So what you mean
Speaker 5: you bigger with the money or without the money? You
Speaker 5: make right decisions with money or without money? No, I
Speaker 5: make the right decision period because I'm a man, not
Speaker 5: because I got money. Because I'm a man and I
Speaker 5: done set it up to be a man. Look, many
Speaker 5: motherfuckers ain't no man. I mean they ain't no man.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of not man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm paying the penalty for being a man,
Speaker 5: a man's man.
Speaker 2: How much that cost?
Speaker 5: You got to go through something to make the money
Speaker 5: stay right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yo, that's it is.
Speaker 5: So it's like because we twins, and in life, they're
Speaker 5: not gonna get what a person thinks. There's always gonna
Speaker 5: be people that got more money than me, as much
Speaker 5: money than me, and less money than me. As long
Speaker 5: as I'm breathing, I'm not keeping the that I'm keeping
Speaker 5: account of my moves. Do you understand, because when the
Speaker 5: pandemic was here, I was living in my shoe box.
Speaker 5: Hip hop wasn't earning nothing, and I was just having
Speaker 5: things that I already paid for that wasn't struggling. My
Speaker 5: house is done, my shit is done. All I gotta
Speaker 5: do is maintain. I'm past the stage of struggling. It's
Speaker 5: about your moves now. If you make the wrong move,
Speaker 5: you're gonna struggle, You're gonna be hurt. But if you
Speaker 5: got the right foundation and you got the wheel, you
Speaker 5: know what it is. You know what it is to
Speaker 5: move that wheel and how what the results are going
Speaker 5: to be. Because the love gotta be there. The love
Speaker 5: gotta be there. Man, You gotta love what you do.
Speaker 5: You can't fake what you do. You can't be fake
Speaker 5: because at some point you're gonna explode.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this now more. I'm sick
Speaker 2: of Yeah, yeah, you're you're losing it. You're out of
Speaker 2: your character.
Speaker 1: So you got the whole album dropping with Peter Guns.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my man, The Odd Couple, ain't it odd?
Speaker 1: I always wanted, by the way, I'm jealous of you
Speaker 1: because I always wanted to use that. That ain't all
Speaker 1: because I know, you know, I've seen The Odd Couple,
Speaker 1: the actual TV show. I've seen it, So I always
Speaker 1: wanted to use that for a title, and y'all beat
Speaker 1: me to it. So you're like, skin, it's a volume.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna get on the hour, right, y'all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save him birth. But how did this come about?
Speaker 5: Just hanging out with him and and and vibing off him?
Speaker 5: Because when you see the TV you get another version
Speaker 5: of him. That's just it's just, sweetheart. He's my brother.
Speaker 5: He's my brother, you know what I'm saying. And for me,
Speaker 5: I always tease him. I say, yeah, damn man, another
Speaker 5: Peter huh.
Speaker 2: You the motherfuckers? Don't you just pop up? You know
Speaker 2: what I mean? Dude. But I'm gonna try it out because.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a gambler, just.
Speaker 2: Make sure it works.
Speaker 5: You know, you can't strike out twice, right, right, So yeah,
Speaker 5: we had this this project called the Odd Couple. Man,
Speaker 5: it's like an EP and we got all different songs
Speaker 5: of just complimenting each other. He's like more like a
Speaker 5: Oscar and I more like a Felix and compliment each other. Man. Okay,
Speaker 5: we got an album it's just me and him. And
Speaker 5: we got Primo. Oh no, pardon me. We got large
Speaker 5: Professor Professor. We got large Professor on two joints, and
Speaker 5: then we got Terminology Terminologies. We got Terminology and we
Speaker 5: got static Selector Selector.
Speaker 2: Which is it the same person?
Speaker 5: Terminogy, Instatus, Terminology and with their crew. What I want
Speaker 5: to thank them for is that I made a record
Speaker 5: with Paul Wall and that was a dope joint. Yes,
Speaker 5: I mean that was a dope joint. So I really
Speaker 5: love that they are on their grind. What did you
Speaker 5: get your ship? Professionally wrote, I mean, yeah, it's Borus.
Speaker 5: He's from Peru.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's yeah, he wrestles alligators.
Speaker 2: I like to say that, yeah, but she won.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to personally thank you.
Speaker 2: You heard.
Speaker 1: I want to personally thank you because what you did
Speaker 1: to hip hop, we all owe you, all of us
Speaker 1: oh all of us. When I say you changed the game,
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. Like, you changed the way people rhyme,
Speaker 1: you change the way people walk, you change.
Speaker 2: The way people made it classic too, and you made
Speaker 2: it classy and you made it classic.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to thank you to your face, besides
Speaker 1: the flowers, besides everything, because.
Speaker 2: You are truly a legend. You're truly an icon.
Speaker 1: And I loved when I was just you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm searching you, and I'm like, damn, from that point
Speaker 1: of the game, the game has changed and it changed
Speaker 1: for the better, and that's because of you.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to thank you to your face.
Speaker 1: Because that's real, that's real, that's real.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 1: And we wanted to give your flowers from the beginning
Speaker 1: of us starting the show right absolutely, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: no no, we've been talking you on the loft.
Speaker 5: Let me get my lighter back. I'll tell you, I'm
Speaker 5: always taking it about you.
Speaker 1: Whenever you know that light, that light of that that's
Speaker 1: when you know, take your lighter for you.
Speaker 2: You don't smoke, you don't know that.
Speaker 5: I heard.
Speaker 1: You talk about one time you had a fight and
Speaker 1: Heavy D pulled up on you and told you to
Speaker 1: get in the car, and you and and you got
Speaker 1: you got mad or haven't got mad because you didn't
Speaker 1: get in the car at first.
Speaker 2: You still wanted to get it in. That was some fight,
Speaker 2: some some fight. Wow.
Speaker 5: That was over a girl and she was really my friend.
Speaker 5: You ain't smash no, okay because she was really my friend.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: See I had a lot of female friends like I
Speaker 5: had a lot of male friends, and we had that
Speaker 5: same mutual respect for each other. Like I have some friends.
Speaker 5: You have some friends that you can smash. Then you
Speaker 5: have some friends that y'all just make fried hot dogs, y'all.
Speaker 2: Just y'all just flip uh you say, yeah, never heard
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, hot dogs, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah you fry the bun. You you toast the bun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you slice the hot in the middle, slice
Speaker 3: it down the middle when you.
Speaker 1: This conversation.
Speaker 5: Anyway anyway, Yeah, so yeah, you know, you just have
Speaker 5: some friends that you bond with, you do things with
Speaker 5: other than when you're with your male friends. So our
Speaker 5: younger cousins were together, they was they was kicking it,
Speaker 5: and you told your home his friends is the female
Speaker 5: friend that I had that was going with Troy that's wow,
Speaker 5: that's his girl. But it was my friend not knowing.
Speaker 5: I didn't know Troy back then, but our little cousins
Speaker 5: were together, so we were chaperoning.
Speaker 1: So you're basically saying that you and Troy had beef.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Troy eventually.
Speaker 5: Long story short, yes, long story short, Yes he's my brother,
Speaker 5: but you have beef at first, absolutely over this girl,
Speaker 5: over this girl. But it was really my little cousin
Speaker 5: going with her little cousin and we were chaperoning, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's how we were together.
Speaker 5: I couldn't leave him in Mount Vernon to go there
Speaker 5: by itself, so I went with him, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. So that's how we were doing it. And
Speaker 5: it wasn't appreciated at first. He pulled up half No, no, no,
Speaker 5: it wasn't heavy. It was just him and his goons, right, okay.
Speaker 5: And then she talked to him and they worked it out.
Speaker 5: And then one day, like maybe a year later, when
Speaker 5: they were up, when they were really up, and I
Speaker 5: wasn't nothing had to be like I don't know, I know,
Speaker 5: I had night school and I had to make up
Speaker 5: some classes to graduate, and they were already up.
Speaker 2: It was the eighties.
Speaker 5: They were already up, and they came on the block
Speaker 5: and they asked, can we get a.
Speaker 2: Fair one with me?
Speaker 5: But I was I didn't know what they were talking about, really,
Speaker 5: but that's what they were talking about. So they were
Speaker 5: asking my friends could they get a fair one? They
Speaker 5: thought you were smashing the homie, yeah, but I thought
Speaker 5: it was over. I thought it was over. Evidently it wasn't.
Speaker 5: So they came on the block and a few dudes
Speaker 5: lined up in front of me.
Speaker 2: But you know, I wasn't. I heard you say the
Speaker 2: block was bumping at it.
Speaker 5: It was bangingeah, the buses was moving, it was traffic,
Speaker 5: and long story short, once they got the co sign,
Speaker 5: it was like five or six dudes jumping on me right.
Speaker 5: So once they pulled everybody off of me, then that's
Speaker 5: when the fight started. But I was really messed up,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. And I had taken a
Speaker 5: like a like a somebody had a spike ring right now.
Speaker 5: From that spike ring and punched me where I could
Speaker 5: put my lip through my my tongue through my lip,
Speaker 5: I could put my tongue through my lip, and I
Speaker 5: was swallowing all that blood I could just taste it.
Speaker 5: But see when I when I taste that blood, it
Speaker 5: does something to me. But I was still messed up,
Speaker 5: mind you. But when we got out in the street
Speaker 5: and I got my head together, we performed, well, perform well,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And you see what they
Speaker 5: don't understand is it's hard to fight a left handed person.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, I heard you said the dude.
Speaker 5: Was south for it's hard to fight a lit left
Speaker 5: handed person. Because I'm left handed, it's hard to fight me. Oh,
Speaker 5: it's hard. It's hard to fight me because you don't
Speaker 5: know where it's coming from. It's the blind side of
Speaker 5: whatever you're doing. Everybody, So when you throw the right hand,
Speaker 5: when you throw the right hand, I'm coming over the
Speaker 5: right hand, so you're not seeing You're seeing your punch,
Speaker 5: but you're not seeing my punch. If I was right handed,
Speaker 5: you could see my punches. But I'm left handed, so
Speaker 5: you can't see my punches. So nine times out of ten,
Speaker 5: every time I had to fight, you either try to
Speaker 5: scoop me. After a while, you try to scoop me,
Speaker 5: and that's when you lose. That's when you lose. When
Speaker 5: you try to scoop me.
Speaker 2: You really did like a boxer.
Speaker 5: But I studied all the boxing. Yeah, I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: I thought I was going to be a boxer. I
Speaker 5: studied all the boxing. I used to run jog with
Speaker 5: my dog. I used to jog with my dog. I
Speaker 5: used to think, Lo, listen. I can't take losses. I
Speaker 5: can't take beatens. That's the only thing I can't take.
Speaker 5: I can't take beatens from my mom, my dad, and
Speaker 5: the niggas on the street. I can't take the beat
Speaker 5: So what are you gonna do about it? I gotta
Speaker 5: figure it out, you know what I'm saying. I never
Speaker 5: at fifteen. I never hung with a kid fifteen. My
Speaker 5: friends was like thirty thirty two.
Speaker 3: Damn fifteen thirty fifteen to thirty Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: Because the streets were different back then. It was you
Speaker 5: gotta think the streets. A dude with a third grade
Speaker 5: education could have can have a multi millionaire business on
Speaker 5: the corner. So how is he not gonna mess with
Speaker 5: a fifteen year old or a fourteen year old or
Speaker 5: twelve year old.
Speaker 2: That's how we learned.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 3: The other thing you said that I think is lost
Speaker 3: is chaperoning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, chaperone. That's not happening anymore.
Speaker 3: Noah, people ain't ain't taking they siblings or their cousins.
Speaker 5: What I cared about my cousin, and I kid what
Speaker 5: happened to him, and I knew the climate, So I
Speaker 5: wanted him to have a good time, not get hurt.
Speaker 5: Not figure out that this girl is not who you
Speaker 5: should be with. But figure it out yourself. But I'm here.
Speaker 5: When it messes up.
Speaker 2: We'll hear about it. Nobody's taking care of their.
Speaker 5: It's all about family, you know what I'm saying. You're
Speaker 5: gonna look out for family. If it's your family and
Speaker 5: it's your close friend and it's somebody that means something
Speaker 5: that you're gonna look out for them.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna let them go into something that could
Speaker 5: hurt them, you know, so especially when they're a couple
Speaker 5: of years younger than you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: But that was a that was a real famous fight
Speaker 5: in the town. I was a heavy fight in the
Speaker 5: town and we became best friends. Have picked us up
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to get in the car. He
Speaker 5: picked both of y'all up. He had him in the
Speaker 5: car already in the back seat. Oh, that's why you
Speaker 5: didn't want to get in. I didn't want to get
Speaker 5: in because his brother.
Speaker 2: Hit you in the back of the head.
Speaker 5: His brother kept hitting me in the back of the head.
Speaker 5: But then my friend hit his brother. And when his brother,
Speaker 5: his brother didn't just when my friend hit him, he
Speaker 5: felt like this not crumbled. We felt like he was
Speaker 5: already knocked out. And hit his head and bust his
Speaker 5: head like timber and hit his head the back of
Speaker 5: his head and the blood start coming out of him.
Speaker 5: So when we saw that, we figured, now the fight
Speaker 5: is really on. Because they kept saying, you came up
Speaker 5: here to fight him. Now you you keep jumping in.
Speaker 5: It's when when you're losing, you keep jumping in. And
Speaker 5: I already knew how to concussion. He was giving me
Speaker 5: two or three concussions. I already knew how to concussion.
Speaker 5: When they jumped on me the first time, I knew
Speaker 5: how to concussion. So that's how it was really a real,
Speaker 5: real fight. But through all of that, heav was mad
Speaker 5: at Troy for going up there and challenging the whole thing.
Speaker 5: And after that, God is good. We became brothers. We
Speaker 5: became tight. And you know when it happened. When he died,
Speaker 5: I felt something. I felt bad because I knew when
Speaker 5: we had that fight he transferred all his riches over
Speaker 5: to me. I knew it when he did that because
Speaker 5: I was nutted and he was up. But when he
Speaker 5: did that, he changed my life for the better. That
Speaker 5: one fight changed my life, and it put me on
Speaker 5: a path to work with Eddie f to work with
Speaker 5: v Ed, to work with Pete Rock, to work with
Speaker 5: I'll be sure, to work with Jeff Red.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of groups that when.
Speaker 3: You say that elevated like it brought you in, Like,
Speaker 3: how did you mean because you messing like fighting him
Speaker 3: or having before him brought you in.
Speaker 5: That I was a nobody. He fought a nobody, net
Speaker 5: him somebody. Wow, he should have avoided that nobody. Wow,
Speaker 5: he made them somebody.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 5: See, these are the lessons you learn in life when
Speaker 5: you are intelligent enough to sit back in your easy
Speaker 5: chair and see the vision of it and how you
Speaker 5: could teach your grandson and your sons how this thing go.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's stop me for one second. That's why I
Speaker 1: know you're thinking like a boxer. Let me just take
Speaker 1: you something because it's a boxer that night, and when
Speaker 1: you fight, you are on that same boxers level. It
Speaker 1: does not matter if you Muhammad Ali and you fucking
Speaker 1: this blunt right here, Bahama, it's on the same level.
Speaker 1: That's how I know you're thinking like a box I
Speaker 1: just didn't want to lose. I just didn't want to lose.
Speaker 5: And I know how horrific it was in those days
Speaker 5: to lose, because it wasn't like getting shot. You're getting
Speaker 5: your ass walked, you know what I'm saying, so that
Speaker 5: when they ask you for that five minutes, it's really
Speaker 5: your ass getting war So it's like drowning. It's like drowning.
Speaker 5: You can't control what another person's doing to you. And
Speaker 5: that was always my deep dark fear that I can't
Speaker 5: have that at all. And I know you're better than me,
Speaker 5: but I got tricks, and when I don't use them tricks,
Speaker 5: that's when I'm gonna lose. But I'm gonna got tricks
Speaker 5: for you, because all my old friends, by the time
Speaker 5: they got finished with me, nobody in junior high school
Speaker 5: could deal with me unless you were one hundred pounds bigger.
Speaker 5: That's the only time I lost, and when I was
Speaker 5: one hundred. You were one hundred pounds bigger than me.
Speaker 5: So you can move me, you can rag doll me,
Speaker 5: you can smother my stuff, and next thing I know,
Speaker 5: my head is being slammed into a park call. That's
Speaker 5: how it was back in them days. You could get
Speaker 5: a fair that one. Yeah, for real, I wish they
Speaker 5: bring that back. There'll be a lot more people, a
Speaker 5: lot and there'll be a lot more men being formed,
Speaker 5: because that's what made men. When you could get that
Speaker 5: five minutes win to lose, I didn't win them. All
Speaker 5: was you don't want to fight again. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying, You don't want to fight again.
Speaker 2: It's like and do you know they end up respecting you.
Speaker 5: Your enemies become your friends, and your friends become your
Speaker 5: enemies when you get money.
Speaker 1: That's what happened with you enjoyed I became friends that.
Speaker 2: It became friends.
Speaker 5: And when you become friends and you have those type
Speaker 5: of friends, then you change.
Speaker 2: Your outlook on friendship.
Speaker 5: The friends you had before are not your friends anymore
Speaker 5: because they can't relate to you anymore. They don't see
Speaker 5: your growth, they don't see your maturity, they don't see
Speaker 5: your elevation. They don't see your God. They on demon time?
Speaker 5: And you you, you like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Everything I got from God? What you got from the devil?
Speaker 5: Everything I got is from God. I thought it was me.
Speaker 5: I was telling you it was me, but I didn't
Speaker 5: know it wasn't me. It was God giving me everything.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you cross over so you can get what
Speaker 5: I get. But you on demon time. You keep professing it.
Speaker 5: So it has to come true. So don't get mad
Speaker 5: when I have more than you.
Speaker 1: So how did y'all? How did y'all? Because how did
Speaker 1: y'all actually go from being foes to friends?
Speaker 5: He connected it because heav was the one that brought
Speaker 5: He brought the reality to it.
Speaker 2: He brought the facts to it.
Speaker 5: Like you you are on the job, You are in
Speaker 5: the spotlight. No, no, I wasn't in the spotlight. Troy
Speaker 5: was in the spotlight. Troy was on the album covers.
Speaker 5: Troy was that guy. I was never that guy. Troy
Speaker 5: made that guy at that night. He made that night.
Speaker 5: Nobody knew it, but he made Corey that night. See,
Speaker 5: certain things have to happen in order for you to
Speaker 5: be you. It don't take you to be you sometime
Speaker 5: it take another person to be you, then another person
Speaker 5: introduces you when you get bigger. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It's about networking. We didn't have all that other stuff
Speaker 5: back then, but the networking. If you official, you official.
Speaker 5: If you are lame, you are lame. If you unproductive,
Speaker 5: you unproductive. But even the unproductive dudes got some love
Speaker 5: because they knew he might be unproductive. But when Homie
Speaker 5: get off that porch, he's gonna fire away.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he's not a thinker, he's a deer. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Let me do the thinking, you
Speaker 2: do the doing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Real talk, real talk, man, Jesus, we had fun in
Speaker 5: those days. Yes, those were like I'm an old New Yorker.
Speaker 5: I always tell everybody this New New York I'm not from.
Speaker 5: I'm from the town, but I'm from the old New York.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, down to the blackouts and
Speaker 5: the serial killers. I'm from the old New York. I'm
Speaker 5: from the old New York. I remember when, and it's
Speaker 5: not the negative part is that when everybody was alive.
Speaker 1: I remember when everybody with Disney wasn't there. There you
Speaker 1: go and everybody was alive. Shows.
Speaker 5: Everybody was alive, everybody was out of jail, everybody wasn't
Speaker 5: literally in the graveyard.
Speaker 1: And none of us sound like each other as artists.
Speaker 5: No, you wanted to be different in the stick of
Speaker 5: kids who you wanted to be like, yes, that's real
Speaker 5: because they had it all.
Speaker 1: That's real. I remember I used to get pulled over
Speaker 1: and tell the people I'm a rapper. That was cool.
Speaker 1: Now i'll get pulled over, I'll tell them I'm a
Speaker 1: drug dealer. Loog it. It's safer to be a drug
Speaker 1: dealer and a rapper right now, like this city is crazy.
Speaker 2: Did you realize.
Speaker 1: The drug dealer and a rapper kind of like switch sides,
Speaker 1: Because at one point, it.
Speaker 2: Was so cool to be a drug dealer, right, that's all.
Speaker 1: We had, And then we realized their fate was two
Speaker 1: different things. Right, it was either jail or whatever. But
Speaker 1: then the rapper took over. Right, But now the rapper
Speaker 1: is becoming a drug dealer. It's the fate's the same.
Speaker 1: Did you ever think that you would see that.
Speaker 5: I would never think it because we were always trying
Speaker 5: to get out, like we're talking about it out the ghetto.
Speaker 2: We wasn't trying to come.
Speaker 5: The only reason why the dealers were in the ghetto
Speaker 5: with their money is because.
Speaker 2: Their business was there.
Speaker 1: That's real.
Speaker 5: Their business was there, so in order to do their business,
Speaker 5: they got to be there. If they're not there, they
Speaker 5: ain't doing no business.
Speaker 1: That's real.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: So when I became a rapper, my thing was to
Speaker 5: get out too. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 5: a house next to you. I don't want to live
Speaker 5: next to the stick up kid. I don't want to
Speaker 5: live next to the drug dealer. I don't want to
Speaker 5: live next to the dude that extorting somebody or or
Speaker 5: he's a mugger.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to jail all the time
Speaker 2: I go visit over there.
Speaker 5: I'm not trying to stay over there because I know
Speaker 5: it's just a matter of time. When I elevate, they
Speaker 5: coming to my spot. When I want something, they coming.
Speaker 5: You're never too big to get robbed. It's you never
Speaker 5: too big to get robbed. Come on, I just can't
Speaker 5: live with it. That's the only thing difference with me
Speaker 5: is that you could take a little change from me,
Speaker 5: and I'm willing to die for it because I'm not
Speaker 5: built like that. You gotta rob the dead body. I'm
Speaker 5: not conditioned to give you my stuff. I'm conditioned to
Speaker 5: die because this is what I'm willing to wear.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's what you could live with. Some people
Speaker 2: could live with giving it up.
Speaker 5: I don't think I could live with that because once
Speaker 5: I do that, you gotta keep giving it up.
Speaker 2: And I'm not with that.
Speaker 5: So let's go in our range of what we do
Speaker 5: and how we do it, and not over extend ourselves.
Speaker 5: That's why I said I like to live under my means,
Speaker 5: but in a better neighborhood than you, right, Because how
Speaker 5: we're going to survive if we don't got no good base.
Speaker 5: Even al Qaeda got a good base, Sure to blow
Speaker 5: up ship. You gotta have a good base.
Speaker 2: Your ship. Land.
Speaker 5: You ain't got a good base that ship, come right
Speaker 5: back and blow up your ship.
Speaker 10: Come on, bro.
Speaker 5: No, it takes the base for you. Your foundation, right,
Speaker 5: that's what it is. The basis a foundation that you
Speaker 5: build off of. And if you if on that foundation,
Speaker 5: if you build straw, you know you could burn it down.
Speaker 5: If you build it with bricks, it's gonna be sturdy.
Speaker 5: So that's a good foundation. As long as your foundation
Speaker 5: is good, anything is possible. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let me I know I asked you this a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier in a different way. But again for me,
Speaker 1: I love the rap I had, you know, as at
Speaker 1: least at one point that was that was my craftmanship.
Speaker 1: But when I had to turn it into business, I
Speaker 1: kind of like hated it because I had to look
Speaker 1: at every look, every fast, every fast of here. When
Speaker 1: I looked at and by the way, God bless me
Speaker 1: for everybody else in this room, I know that this
Speaker 1: question might be just for me, because when I did
Speaker 1: look at every facet of it, I was disgusted fast
Speaker 1: as far as hell, like as far as to like.
Speaker 2: Like I'm actually.
Speaker 1: I'm actually like when let me just say it to myself,
Speaker 1: like I was actually a pawn in this when I
Speaker 1: looked at it, like this was a high loan that
Speaker 1: I accepted that I signed for.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: I signed for, I accepted I signed for, and I
Speaker 1: always like I was like the dumb kid that said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I know this this deal is bad,
Speaker 1: but the next one is going to be greater. Right,
Speaker 1: So that's and then I realized doing this show that
Speaker 1: everyone else thought like me too.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's how you flip it after that? No, yes,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: When it was your first deal, did you read it
Speaker 1: and know that this might have not been the right
Speaker 1: thing to sign, but you still did it?
Speaker 2: Just like I did? You know what? You're asking me
Speaker 2: a question? I don't know shit about? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Because it's like, I don't remember if it was good
Speaker 2: or not. There's an opportunity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't remember if it was Like who says, Oh,
Speaker 5: I know about that deal?
Speaker 2: I know especially came from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have nothing I know about that. I
Speaker 5: needed Eddie, I needed have I needed?
Speaker 2: I need it?
Speaker 1: Shit?
Speaker 2: Like, what do I know? How Listen, I ain't going
Speaker 2: to school for that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: How do I know what good?
Speaker 1: It is bad?
Speaker 5: How do I know unless he told me? If he
Speaker 5: told me it is good, then it must be good.
Speaker 5: If it ain't good, he gonna get his neck broke.
Speaker 1: And who he's saying when you say here here is whoever?
Speaker 5: Because isn't that what was going on back there? You're right,
Speaker 5: how are you going to tell these little kids you
Speaker 5: robbing them?
Speaker 2: You can't. That's why I said it's predatory lending.
Speaker 5: Right, So so I'm thinking as I get older and
Speaker 5: get twenty five, your foot is in the door, make
Speaker 5: it work.
Speaker 2: Get the other foot in. That's exactly how Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't care what you're robbing me. That's the right of passage.
Speaker 1: Robbing me.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now once you're finished robbing me, can I plug
Speaker 5: the whole? Do I know how to plug it? Do
Speaker 5: I know how to make it to where they're not
Speaker 5: robbing me no more? And plug the hole? And then
Speaker 5: now the oiling leaking, now the air rain coming out
Speaker 5: of the balloon.
Speaker 2: Now can I get money now? Because I know you
Speaker 2: rob me here?
Speaker 5: So now you can't rob me because as I'm going on,
Speaker 5: I'm educating myself to what I'm getting into. It's like
Speaker 5: I ain't know what Rykers Island was about till I
Speaker 5: got there, bro, And then when I got there, there's
Speaker 5: certain things you gotta do when you get there.
Speaker 2: It's not viola, it's not val Yeah.
Speaker 5: Okay, so two different things, right, So you have to
Speaker 5: know how to adapt to whatever you're doing. If you
Speaker 5: don't know you're getting robbed because you're getting money and
Speaker 5: it's nutted, So you don't know you're getting robbed till
Speaker 5: you get educated.
Speaker 2: Then you start fixing yourself.
Speaker 5: I'm sure every drug dealer that's a kingpin, they got
Speaker 5: robbed first before they knew how toy, before they knew
Speaker 5: how to whip that motherfucking shit, like right, so they
Speaker 5: was getting robbed till he knew how to risk that
Speaker 5: joint and stretch that motherfucking thing and make it what
Speaker 5: it is. Now he don't need you no more because
Speaker 5: now he know what to do. You can't rob him
Speaker 5: no more. So he gonna take his show on the road.
Speaker 5: And that's what it is.
Speaker 2: That was. That was a write of passage back then
Speaker 2: to get robbed.
Speaker 5: Now, when you get robbed, it's so many variables to
Speaker 5: the reclabels I'm talking about right now. Back then you
Speaker 5: could get robbed and nobody ever know it till you die,
Speaker 5: right yes, Now when you get robbed, they know it
Speaker 5: right away. Yeah, yeah, they know or right away yeah,
Speaker 5: well it ain't no delay as soon as you wake up.
Speaker 5: He took this, He took that, yo. Like I told you,
Speaker 5: I'm so in all their real life, not their music business.
Speaker 5: Their music business just introduced me to their real life.
Speaker 5: Like you really go through those problems with seven million
Speaker 5: dollars I ain't going to that problem with seven hundred thousand.
Speaker 5: You really paying them niggas and they acting like that
Speaker 5: when you're in jail and they coming yo.
Speaker 2: That shit is like a movie. To me, I'm like
Speaker 2: a YouTube junkie to it. Listen.
Speaker 5: How I keep myself hip is not being some old
Speaker 5: man around young niggas.
Speaker 2: It's outside looking in for the spectrum.
Speaker 5: And social media allows you to look into people's lives
Speaker 5: without even fucking with them, without even knowing them you did,
Speaker 5: without even having no stakes in what they doing. Just now,
Speaker 5: if it was my job to bust you, Lord, have mercy.
Speaker 5: How are you surviving. I'll be a church boy. I'll
Speaker 5: be a choir boy. How are you surviving with the
Speaker 5: cameras on the street? You bringing the camera every time
Speaker 5: you do a murder? Can stick up?
Speaker 2: Come on, bro?
Speaker 5: What we doing man? I thought the whole objective is
Speaker 5: to get away with it. Now your shit is to
Speaker 5: take ownership of it and do thirty forty years with
Speaker 5: fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: To slut your ops.
Speaker 5: Know you didn't with fifteen million dollars in the bank
Speaker 5: doing that.
Speaker 2: Come on, man, this world is different.
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to be an old man, because I don't
Speaker 5: want to grow up with them making those mistakes. Now
Speaker 5: I could see you. You shot up four people that
Speaker 5: try to rob your drug spot. That's my error, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? You're a serial killer. You got busted.
Speaker 5: You're doing one hundred and fifty years. Yeah, that's my error.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 5: This getting fifteen million and coming back to fire away
Speaker 5: at niggas who don't got three hundred dollars getting killed.
Speaker 2: In an uber?
Speaker 5: No, come on, and you driving may back and you're
Speaker 5: killing a nigga in an uber? Come on, man, dancing
Speaker 5: on grades. You needed money for that. I'm gonna say
Speaker 5: it again. You needed money for that. You should have
Speaker 5: no money and you got fifteen million. You can find
Speaker 5: something else to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wait, and the music, the music predicates that you do that.
Speaker 5: What kind of music is that? And everything sound the same?
Speaker 5: Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill. I love you?
Speaker 5: Wait that killing shit make me not trust you. So
Speaker 5: when you say you're a rapper, now, what do you mean?
Speaker 5: That's like saying I go to Iraq and I shoot people.
Speaker 5: You're a soldier? You getting ready to die? Any Why
Speaker 5: you buying watches?
Speaker 2: You're gonna be here, but let's be honest here.
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of there's a lot of dope
Speaker 3: artists out there, young artists, oh that are doing dope
Speaker 3: shit that are not that.
Speaker 5: Hold on, why do they take the best artists and
Speaker 5: kill them?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 5: You leave us with shit you ain't yo the ones
Speaker 5: coming after them? Come on, let's be keeping one hundred
Speaker 5: dang like that. You're killing the best shit. You just
Speaker 5: killed the best shit. I know the difference when apple
Speaker 5: is bruised or it's pure.
Speaker 2: I know the difference.
Speaker 5: Bro. Wh Why are you killing the best shit and
Speaker 5: you're leaving us with the alternatives? The twelve nigga off
Speaker 5: the bench. That nigga ain't Jordan, that nigga ain't Kobe.
Speaker 5: You just killed them. How how is this a business?
Speaker 5: It's beyond business. It's monkey business. Without trees to swing on,
Speaker 5: you're just slamming your head on the concrete. You're just
Speaker 5: swinging in the air and your head hit the concrete.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Come on, bro, how we doing this? Man?
Speaker 5: I love for in order for us young people to
Speaker 5: win and win big people. How young people gotta win.
Speaker 5: I don't see no white kids with those type of problems.
Speaker 5: I don't see no air Arab kids with those type
Speaker 5: of problems. I don't see it. While we got that problem,
Speaker 5: why we can't love you and cherish you? Why you
Speaker 5: got to kill your own good shit? You just killed
Speaker 5: pop smoke man, and then you come behind them with
Speaker 5: what he's the best? What are you coming with? He's
Speaker 5: the best and you killed him, right? You killed them,
Speaker 5: and you want us to settle for you. I don't
Speaker 5: really feel that. I don't really feel I remember when
Speaker 5: you ain't even know our mothers. Now you know everybody? Mother,
Speaker 5: I told you, oh you they everybody's in their business.
Speaker 5: Everybody's in everybody's business. Man, that's some punk shit. I
Speaker 5: don't I don't get it. They know your mom, they
Speaker 5: know they know who you ain't supposed to know my
Speaker 5: mom my dad. Let's keep it on this, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, nobody know who Aaron Judge parents is.
Speaker 2: Nobody care Derek jetera cool, they're in the box.
Speaker 1: No, we know Jerry Jedda Well parents is white and black.
Speaker 5: But see that's the point. There's a place for it,
Speaker 5: there's a there's a position for it. Nobody want to
Speaker 5: see a black mother in a Spanish mother crying over
Speaker 5: you killed they kid with seven eight twenty million with
Speaker 5: the potential to have a hundred million.
Speaker 2: So what does that say for our culture? It's a
Speaker 2: destructive culture.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 5: Who somebody has to win from this destructive culture?
Speaker 2: Who wins? There's a winner, God, who wins?
Speaker 5: Dan you when you find out who wins, aren't you
Speaker 5: fucking disgusted? We was disgusted when we got robbed. It's
Speaker 5: bigger than that, now, bigger than that. Yeah, we end
Speaker 5: up getting that money.
Speaker 2: We end up getting that money back.
Speaker 3: But hold hold, hold up, because when I was when
Speaker 3: I was saying there's dope artists, there's dope artists beyond
Speaker 3: the artists that are talking because some of the artists were.
Speaker 2: Mentioned we're talking the street shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of young dope artists that aren't
Speaker 3: talking the street shit that are lyrical mcs that that
Speaker 3: are in this.
Speaker 2: Whole youth culture.
Speaker 3: Digzel Curry, Denzel Curry or Coast Contra.
Speaker 2: What is a contract with colost Contra?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Those guys with those guys off the chain, No, those
Speaker 3: guys off the chain. There's a bunch of dope young
Speaker 3: art The thing is the difference between our era and
Speaker 3: this era is it's so many artists it's hard to
Speaker 3: keep track. There could be an artist that does festivals
Speaker 3: and has millions of fans that we would never even
Speaker 3: know if they ask us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like our brother Russ. I
Speaker 1: love Russ, You would never know Russ, and I love
Speaker 1: what Russ is doing. But I look and I see
Speaker 1: and no one like, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: that kind of co science for us, But I do.
Speaker 1: But but but my point is this, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: this fan base, right, but but this is my point.
Speaker 1: My point is this is that we concentrate on the
Speaker 1: negative because the negative shines the most. The controversy shines
Speaker 1: the most, the negativity.
Speaker 2: We're all we're all attracted. We're all attracted to negative.
Speaker 5: Death doesn't come with the element then it gris by
Speaker 5: the way, you have.
Speaker 3: This dope ass artist over here that's killing the game.
Speaker 3: But this person does this or gets killed, and we're
Speaker 3: all here. We're not here with this guy who has
Speaker 3: a million or girl who has a million plus fan
Speaker 3: base that's positive.
Speaker 11: And as a true MC and is of the culture.
Speaker 11: We're not here. We're over here. It was one net
Speaker 11: at one time. Right now, it's pockets of wrap. But
Speaker 11: we need to we need to pocket open ourselves to
Speaker 11: this pocket.
Speaker 5: This pocket might have drill, this pocket might have trap,
Speaker 5: this pocket might have conscious, and this pocket might have.
Speaker 2: Ratchet. Let me ask, let me change the subject. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't change the subject.
Speaker 3: Okay, we should stay on the subject, stay on it
Speaker 3: because I think this is important for us to speak about,
Speaker 3: because I think that there's there's a lot of positivity
Speaker 3: in the culture that we just don't shine a light on.
Speaker 2: That's this not a hole.
Speaker 5: See, you can't shine light on something that pockets of
Speaker 5: things override. You're right, it overrides it because you're saying, Okay, now,
Speaker 5: if I come in with ratchet, you ain't selling.
Speaker 2: If I come in with drill, you ain't selling. Now.
Speaker 5: The only thing that I positive I give to the
Speaker 5: whole concept of when it was a hole is that
Speaker 5: the insurance was lower. You can get somewhere now you
Speaker 5: insurance is high for these artists, these young artists. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they're getting a lot of money, but you you gotta
Speaker 5: be on the tour, you can't spot date, you can't
Speaker 5: do all of these things because the insurance is so enormous.
Speaker 5: Because somebody's gonna get shot.
Speaker 3: Are you saying that this artist over here on the
Speaker 3: negative tip is making more bread than this artists over here?
Speaker 2: Is it's not It's actually not true. I don't say no,
Speaker 2: that's what I know. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Is because we're living in a time fortunately for these
Speaker 3: artists that they find their fan base and they're playing festivals,
Speaker 3: and they're they've got direct to consumer and they're they're
Speaker 3: making millions of dollars. But if you ask you me
Speaker 3: or you hey, do you know MC song, so it'll
Speaker 3: be like I heard of them because they're not directly
Speaker 3: in our gram feed.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, but I also agree that he's
Speaker 5: not getting in trouble. So he's banking all his money
Speaker 5: minus of what his business consists of. But that same
Speaker 5: guy is getting in trouble. Not only does he have
Speaker 5: to spend the money to stay out to get out
Speaker 5: of trouble, but he has to keep up with the
Speaker 5: god that's not getting in trouble.
Speaker 2: So he has to make more right. No, that has
Speaker 2: to make more right.
Speaker 5: Okay, So that guy is not going to be in
Speaker 5: demand like this serial killer.
Speaker 3: No way, the serial killers and themand serial killers, the
Speaker 3: man with the serial killer, which which corn flakes or listen.
Speaker 5: When that insurance is high, that's a high demand because
Speaker 5: in order for you to even consider it, it has
Speaker 5: to be in demand. So that nice guy, he's gonna
Speaker 5: go steady. I love the nice guy. That's like my dad.
Speaker 5: He's the nice guy. Everybody had way more money than them,
Speaker 5: and they went to jail. But he kept on along,
Speaker 5: kept his house and queens paid it off. But these
Speaker 5: guys have millions of dollars and ran queens. He stayed
Speaker 5: the course, He stayed the course. He never went to jail.
Speaker 5: He stayed the course. His house is paid off. These
Speaker 5: guys with millions of dollars have just come out of
Speaker 5: jail or getting ready to come out of jail. And
Speaker 5: what did my dad do. He kept that little engine
Speaker 5: that could running. These guys had big Boeing setting forty seven.
Speaker 5: My dad never been on no private jet. And these
Speaker 5: dudes go to jail. But still, this is what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: they're not nice guys. Of what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 5: who's not nice guys?
Speaker 3: The guys that I'm talking about, That doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 3: they're nice guys In the sense of the type of
Speaker 3: music they make. For example, we Tech who's Tech nine,
Speaker 3: is already a OG. His background is that he was
Speaker 3: a blood you know what I'm saying it. But he
Speaker 3: made his chops and he made his millions, an independent
Speaker 3: and he did his thing. Denzel Curry, he comes from
Speaker 3: Raider Klan now originally.
Speaker 2: Cool with Asap, Rocky and them. He's doing his thing.
Speaker 3: It's just these artists, they they're deciding not to go there.
Speaker 3: They're smarter, Let's put it that way. These guys are smarter.
Speaker 5: But you just answered it because you're saying it's a choice.
Speaker 5: You can't do both, realists, you cannot do both. So
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to make a choice, which we call
Speaker 5: an executive decision, which a lot of people can't make
Speaker 5: in life, executive decision making. Why because they're afraid of
Speaker 5: people not liking them. They're afraid of people criticizing them.
Speaker 5: But it's for the long run when you make executive
Speaker 5: decisions that it works out and it's not popular until
Speaker 5: later on. Then that mean when it becomes popular that
Speaker 5: you made that executive decision, everybody hated you till five
Speaker 5: years from them.
Speaker 2: Now they see your vision these young boys out here.
Speaker 5: It's a choice either you're gonna carry something or feed
Speaker 5: that or not.
Speaker 2: It's a choice.
Speaker 5: If you get out here and you know that what
Speaker 5: culture you come from, and you know that you came
Speaker 5: from the streets in a violent back, then that's all
Speaker 5: you're gonna be doing is feeding that violent background till
Speaker 5: you find a solution to your problem. And that's what
Speaker 5: you need in order for you to have longevity and
Speaker 5: be a great artist with something to contribute to the culture.
Speaker 5: Such as myself, I even had to make choices. You
Speaker 5: can't hang with the same dudes that's killing up shit
Speaker 5: and you not go to jail.
Speaker 1: More.
Speaker 2: You gotta make a choice.
Speaker 3: You guys don't think that there's also a culture because
Speaker 3: of technology and a lot of other things around technology,
Speaker 3: but a culture of artists that aren't really truly invested
Speaker 3: in hip hop culture.
Speaker 2: They just see, oh, this is.
Speaker 3: A means to getting a bag, and I do not
Speaker 3: give a fuck about hip hop.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad at them because you.
Speaker 5: I'm not mad at them because you're doing You're doing
Speaker 5: what an executive is doing.
Speaker 2: So how can I be mad at you?
Speaker 5: You can for thinking like, yeah, do I expect you
Speaker 5: to love what you do. That's asking too much of you. No,
Speaker 5: you're doing what an executive does. I don't like it.
Speaker 5: But this is a means to feed my family. This
Speaker 5: is a means to get where I gotta go. It's
Speaker 5: called stepping stones to get where you gotta go. But
Speaker 5: this is a means. I might sell drugs to own
Speaker 5: that building, but I don't want to sell drugs. I
Speaker 5: don't want to be known as a drug dealer. But
Speaker 5: I had to sell drugs to buy that building. Now
Speaker 5: I don't have to. I'm a landlord. I'm into owning buildings.
Speaker 5: So they change the perception of what's initially happening, and
Speaker 5: they're doing it more and more because technology is allowing
Speaker 5: you to do it.
Speaker 2: They're allowing you to change your perception overnight of a nigga.
Speaker 1: That's so deep. That's deep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know the demand is pockets in. Rap
Speaker 5: is not a hole. Rap is a fan base of yo.
Speaker 5: You got artists that nobody knowing they got a bigger
Speaker 5: fan base than a mainstream artist. You don't understand what
Speaker 5: this game of technology has done to the music business.
Speaker 5: Is destroyed it and made.
Speaker 2: I ain't I'm gonna keep it a hundred.
Speaker 5: We used to be like, we used to look at
Speaker 5: all these little hick towns and be.
Speaker 2: Like, what's he talking about?
Speaker 5: That shit is like the rapping dokeo most But then
Speaker 5: now you're starting to see how you live in that
Speaker 5: little ass town and you got more money than us
Speaker 5: in New York niggas because and your economy is little
Speaker 5: to nothing.
Speaker 2: So do you know how you look? You look like
Speaker 2: fucking Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So when things are bad, it's always a good too.
Speaker 5: It's a weird, morbid perception of what this music business
Speaker 5: has turned into.
Speaker 2: When we was little babies, we always heard.
Speaker 5: About the music business being this, that and the third
Speaker 5: and it's bad and it's until we got in it,
Speaker 5: and we say, you listen, it gave us everything. But
Speaker 5: now you see it morphed back into a self destructive thing.
Speaker 5: When we have music called self destruction. Self destruction, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? We have made We made music,
Speaker 5: We prophesized this shit.
Speaker 3: But we cannot forget that the modern music industry was
Speaker 3: built by the mob.
Speaker 2: But we prophesized.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying that we can never forget that when
Speaker 3: we talk about.
Speaker 5: Everything was built from the mob. But it took it
Speaker 5: was a racket. It took it. It's everything was a
Speaker 5: racket till it became a business. And then once it
Speaker 5: became a business, we were ten steps behind because they
Speaker 5: made it a business. We didn't make it a business.
Speaker 5: So that's where we're coming from. When it comes to
Speaker 5: the economic of this product and how you have rock
Speaker 5: and roll being celebrated, you have other genres of music
Speaker 5: being celebrated. People are even to be celebrated. They're crossing
Speaker 5: over the country music to be celebrated. Rap is the
Speaker 5: phenomenon across all It does not celebrate.
Speaker 2: You, but it could go over there and be celebrated.
Speaker 5: Your peers celebrate you. Just keep it one hundred. Your
Speaker 5: peers celebrate you. The people who love the music celebrate you.
Speaker 5: You just said it's somebody who just they don't care.
Speaker 5: It's an ends. It's an ends to a means. It's
Speaker 5: about I'm gonna get the bag and I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to do this. I want to.
Speaker 5: I want to paint sculptures with my rap money. I
Speaker 5: want to do this with my rap money. Come on,
Speaker 5: I want to cook you food. I want to. I
Speaker 5: want you to buy my shoe. I want you to
Speaker 5: wear my time you dig I want you to wear
Speaker 5: my shirt because it's always been a you created it.
Speaker 5: Were the only ones that said, yeah, we're gonna get
Speaker 5: rich off this shit. Ill at boy, what are you
Speaker 5: talking about. I'm different from y'all. I don't do what
Speaker 5: y'all do. Y'all do what each other do. But now
Speaker 5: look how they flipped it. They said, Aha, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: make everybody sound the same, and they gonna get paid,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna sound different than not get paid.
Speaker 2: Wow, how you like that?
Speaker 5: Then you're gonna have to really go off of what
Speaker 5: you invested in over here with your clay thing and
Speaker 5: your your land and your this and there that here
Speaker 5: they put you to the tests. But God makes a
Speaker 5: way for everything. God don't make no mistakes. He put
Speaker 5: you here for a purpose. When they think we wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna make no money, we're still making money. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: think I would make money now. But guess what, it's
Speaker 5: not me. It's God's plan. It's not me no more.
Speaker 5: I'm just an old man enjoying the ride.
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Speaker 1: I beat Joe, got a key to the city. I
Speaker 1: saw a flex very briefly, but I very very much love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love, I love. I like the man he's become.
Speaker 5: I like the man he is, and I and and
Speaker 5: when you disagree with him, do you know you can
Speaker 5: always sit down with him and talk to him. Yeah,
Speaker 5: even if y'all got super duper hectic, heavy hot beef,
Speaker 5: he can talk. He got a wheel, he can spin it.
Speaker 5: You got a wheel meaning a table. When I say
Speaker 5: a wheel, your table is your wheel, your round table.
Speaker 5: Who you got at your table, that's your wheel. So
Speaker 5: he got a wheel man, and he's he's a loving
Speaker 5: brother and who who doesn't understand him because he's kind
Speaker 5: of harsh. You gotta get to understand him because it's
Speaker 5: not what he says, it's the way he says it.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you also, when you know we
Speaker 1: keep googling you, flex went at Peak Rock?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think he went at Peak Rock because of
Speaker 1: you and your relationship? I'm asking this, is it?
Speaker 2: Could?
Speaker 5: It could be a possibility, Yes, because I like the
Speaker 5: brothers are gonna take up for brothers like that, and
Speaker 5: brothers are gonna remind you who your brother is.
Speaker 2: I love you, know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Brothers are gonna always put it in the perspective of
Speaker 5: asking you and loving you and understanding where you're coming
Speaker 5: from before they go to war. Understand. So I looked
Speaker 5: at it like this. When I finally listened to it,
Speaker 5: I said, Yo, if I would have said that, I
Speaker 5: does sounded like a fucking hater.
Speaker 2: But if he said.
Speaker 5: That's his lane, he's a he's a that's he's not
Speaker 5: taking itself out of his zone. So I'm with forty
Speaker 5: eight laws of power. I'm a master thinker. I'm with
Speaker 5: placing the game the way it's supposed to be and
Speaker 5: playing there is.
Speaker 2: A game to be played, Okay.
Speaker 5: So however you come up with your shit is how
Speaker 5: you come up with it.
Speaker 2: It don't mean I'm a writer. It don't mean I'm
Speaker 2: a writ it.
Speaker 5: But I got a brother's nigga that love me too,
Speaker 5: like they love you, and they still love you.
Speaker 2: They just that did the same thing for me.
Speaker 5: If I interrupted his ship checking another nigga.
Speaker 2: Yo, nigga yo, nor re. Fuck you what I'm talking
Speaker 2: to this nigga? What you mean? What you mean? See
Speaker 2: what you mean? I'm talking to him?
Speaker 1: Who are you?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? So I love him, man,
Speaker 5: I love Pete too. I ain't gonna lie. I don't
Speaker 5: gotta like you to love you. I love you. You know, yeah,
Speaker 5: I love you.
Speaker 2: I love you. I love what you gave me. I appreciative.
Speaker 5: I think that's the most important thing you can be,
Speaker 5: is appreciative to what somebody give you from their heart
Speaker 5: and from their creativity and their soul because they wanted
Speaker 5: to win like you.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that, you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So I'll always give him as props for we made
Speaker 5: I didn't make it, you didn't make it. We can
Speaker 5: argue like that, but it's we, But it's we. We
Speaker 5: don't have to acknowledge it all the time in the argument.
Speaker 5: It's fire, but it's we. That's fire.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean without acknowledgment. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's fire. That's fine, man. I ain't gonna see y'all.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of your growth. I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: how you you take life.
Speaker 5: Life is meant to be lived. You could have one
Speaker 5: dollar and a million dollars and that. I'm tired of
Speaker 5: seeing poor people be happy and I'm not happy. I'm
Speaker 5: tired of it. I ain't catch that part. I'm tired
Speaker 5: of seeing poor people happy with what they have, what
Speaker 5: they don't expect, nothing and they happy. Why can't you
Speaker 5: be happy? Why can't you with simple things? You've accomplished things.
Speaker 5: Don't think that everything is about you. It's about what
Speaker 5: you have accomplished, what you have earned, and what you're
Speaker 5: doing with it. That says more volumes than what you
Speaker 5: are talking about.
Speaker 2: You want people to know about you. It ain't you.
Speaker 5: I'm just a vessel. I'm just a vessel now, man.
Speaker 5: It ain't about me no more. It's about my higher power.
Speaker 5: It's about my God. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 5: it ain't in the church. It's about what I do
Speaker 5: every day. You know what I'm saying, Because I know
Speaker 5: for sure I ain't get all this shit with my
Speaker 5: smart somebody had to give it to me. And that's
Speaker 5: what people are feeling to real acknowledge somebody had to
Speaker 5: give it to them. Did you appreciate it? Did you
Speaker 5: do the right thing with it? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But somebody had to give bless you. It's called blessings
Speaker 5: like nobody thought drink champs bang noorri.
Speaker 2: He wasn't.
Speaker 5: He wasn't talking to you like that. He wasn't he
Speaker 5: want He was like what what?
Speaker 1: What? Love it?
Speaker 2: He wasn't. Well, let me hear what you gotta say.
Speaker 5: So you see that evolution of a man growing and
Speaker 5: blossoming and his wife water and the plant and allowing
Speaker 5: him to be have a wider territory.
Speaker 2: You dig.
Speaker 5: Yeah, niggas don't accomplish that ship with gangs. Niggas don't
Speaker 5: accomplish that ship with the best five on the block.
Speaker 5: It takes a strong woman to make a strong man.
Speaker 5: It takes that. So all you need, man, it's a
Speaker 5: great partner. That's what made my music right, a great partner.
Speaker 5: So why wouldn't you take that same formula and put
Speaker 5: it into real life and say, Yo, cool, I need
Speaker 5: a great partner.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't that be my goal?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Great partner?
Speaker 5: Nurture it, water it, make sure the soil right, make
Speaker 5: sure she happy. Ultimately, when she happy, I could do
Speaker 5: a whole lot more. Right, I could do a whole
Speaker 5: lot more when she happy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And I could be around a whole lot more, even
Speaker 5: the shit I'm not supposed to be around, because she
Speaker 5: give me that grace, She give me that position. And
Speaker 5: do believe I'm like a running back. I take all
Speaker 5: of the yards.
Speaker 1: This guy's a sports guy. Question because I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you.
Speaker 2: Did you watch him in comment on here?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And he seemed very open to you guys
Speaker 3: doing stuff I felt.
Speaker 5: What do you think see now that I'm on the platform, Yes,
Speaker 5: I see how easy it is to be nice. You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying I can see how easy it
Speaker 5: is to be nor makes it so like, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, he trust me. He just he puts
Speaker 5: it right there and you just you just eat it up,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I wasn't planning to
Speaker 5: say ship, but here you could just flow, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, You could just flow and you can drink.
Speaker 5: Champs is like, yeah, you're having drinks. Yeah, Because I
Speaker 5: think when artists get here sometimes in their fear of
Speaker 5: being around you guys and being asked questions, they feel
Speaker 5: vulnerable of drinking, you know, of smoking.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 5: With you, And that was my fear initially to say, well,
Speaker 5: maybe we can do it next year.
Speaker 2: But no, I said, you know what, I think, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be me.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I'm being me, And to restrict myself and
Speaker 5: think about what he's saying would not be given to me.
Speaker 5: He would only be given them my representative, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. So I think in this platform of
Speaker 5: who you are and really who you are, because you're
Speaker 5: introducing yourself to people who don't really don't know you,
Speaker 5: people who really don't fuck with you, people who really
Speaker 5: don't who are just being put on to you or
Speaker 5: reminded of you and didn't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's you.
Speaker 5: Now you can get it on a platform where they
Speaker 5: can understand it, and they give you a platform to
Speaker 5: express yourself the way you want to express it.
Speaker 2: And that was here.
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't have any expectations to pick this up.
Speaker 2: You know, no moreing me get one of.
Speaker 1: Those problem hold on, hold on, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: my last one with hash.
Speaker 2: This is European hass as. If you want you.
Speaker 1: Want me to talk, no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: listen listen.
Speaker 5: But by the way it looks, it was gonna tell
Speaker 5: me it looks big.
Speaker 2: Listen to me. But you set out eighty joints, but
Speaker 2: this has got no hash.
Speaker 1: Listen to me, see how smooth. I would like to
Speaker 1: give you my last but it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna suck you up.
Speaker 1: Okay, but this is my last one hash europe.
Speaker 2: Excuse me?
Speaker 3: What is making a good sale for that show? No, no, no,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna give it to you. It's gonna see.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you something, man, go ahead. I
Speaker 1: said this whole time. We changed the rap game, and
Speaker 1: let me just say something and you know. I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna say something stupid, but you changed my life
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I heard you, and I wanted to be EMC. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be not only an MC, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a better EMC. And I felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: you helped nas Nas help me. I helped I mean, no,
Speaker 1: excuse me, you helped nas Nas help more deep, more
Speaker 1: deep help me.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I owe you.
Speaker 1: So I held this blunt because I knew he was
Speaker 1: going to ask, but this is this is it.
Speaker 3: He rolled it in nineteen ninety eight and he held
Speaker 3: it for you.
Speaker 5: By the way, why do I feel like Krris wont
Speaker 5: don't really feel like.
Speaker 1: Just because I'm handing you the scrolls of hip hop?
Speaker 1: Please scrolls scrolls. But see how smooth I swear to you, man,
Speaker 1: I really really we were so excited, all of the
Speaker 1: drink Champs crew right here, we were so excited. And
Speaker 1: by the way, by the way, you know, we make
Speaker 1: bets of like what time the artist is gonna come,
Speaker 1: and like who's going to be late or not, And
Speaker 1: I immediately said, ms diego, it's going to be no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: That that's some good ship.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 5: You might be on your flip ship. If I could
Speaker 5: bring this whole ship, so we actually who would produce
Speaker 5: the the Holy Grail?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 1: Who would you produce the Holy Grail? If God came
Speaker 1: to you said produce this record, You're not on it.
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, Yeah, Christy Jones, Damn, I like that, Quincy Jones.
Speaker 5: I would do another record of Lenny Kravitz and Jay
Speaker 5: z mm hmm.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker I don't like, like like I think I
Speaker 1: know him, and then he just soole some other ship
Speaker 1: out this Lenny one of that, and who's producing, Lenny
Speaker 1: Cravis producing.
Speaker 2: Whoever want to produce it, whoever's going, whoever's going? Who
Speaker 2: would you? Who I want?
Speaker 5: I would pick A. I would pick either. I would
Speaker 5: pick either R Kelly or I would pick either R
Speaker 5: Kelly or I was like, I like that or l
Speaker 5: A and babyface.
Speaker 2: Lenny Cravis and Jay Z is see that and I can.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell they dreads might look the same, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Very R and B with that production.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I wanted, I wanted to wear it could
Speaker 5: be a tweener. I don't need definitive, I need I need.
Speaker 5: I need range, I need everywhere. I don't need here,
Speaker 5: I need everywhere.
Speaker 2: You're out of control.
Speaker 3: This is what I actually wanted to know when you
Speaker 3: guys did these records, right, how much did you tour
Speaker 3: outside of the country internationally a lot? What were the
Speaker 3: countries that that you remember that that really you enjoyed?
Speaker 2: All of zuo?
Speaker 5: Italy is my favorite, really, yeah, because I could see
Speaker 5: myself living there, so I could.
Speaker 2: See, you know, they're selling cribs for like a dollar
Speaker 2: over ye.
Speaker 5: I could see myself living there and have my own community, right,
Speaker 5: you know, so, and I would pick I like London
Speaker 5: is a nice five. I like Japan is the ultimate.
Speaker 5: Japan is out of this world. You have to be
Speaker 5: back to normal after you leave Japan. When I come
Speaker 5: back to Japan, American, my family they don't like the
Speaker 5: way I love.
Speaker 2: They say I'm too skinny.
Speaker 5: Because I'm not eating I'm eating good where their nutrition
Speaker 5: is one hundred. I'm eating good, so I don't have
Speaker 5: fat on me, right, So when I come back from Japan,
Speaker 5: I don't have any fat on me, and then they're
Speaker 5: pinching me. The women are pinching to see how many
Speaker 5: inches I'm losing. So now I'm losing and losing. When
Speaker 5: I come back. My grandmother's mortified because she's one of
Speaker 5: those grandmothers to say, oh you're not eating, Oh you
Speaker 5: look too skinny, But that's really healthy in this day
Speaker 5: and time.
Speaker 2: That's healthy. So Japan.
Speaker 3: So you see, I bet you the seeds you guys
Speaker 3: sold in those early shows. Imagine what would happen if
Speaker 3: you guys were to.
Speaker 2: Do it again.
Speaker 5: If we did it again, it would be a surreal
Speaker 5: because we're not around each other. It would be like
Speaker 5: a new thing. Everything would be brand new.
Speaker 2: And a good word.
Speaker 1: The best album is nineteen eighty.
Speaker 5: One, right, the first album was nineteen ninety one, nineteen one?
Speaker 5: How many years is that for anybody smart here?
Speaker 2: Thirty three? Thirty yeah, thirty three? Yeah, oh hpiece is
Speaker 2: thirty and ninety three, So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what would my step son was born first, my.
Speaker 2: Second son was born in nineteen ninety one. What would
Speaker 2: I like to see that reunion? I think I'm telling
Speaker 2: you the massive appeal strategy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna sit this.
Speaker 3: Make me documentary about this, and then do the album documentary.
Speaker 2: Album. You need to do a documentary about this fucking.
Speaker 5: Joint you gave me yes documentary you going around the
Speaker 5: queens Aws and.
Speaker 2: I gotta drink water to gas you know, Na, Man,
Speaker 2: I just want to personally thank you, man.
Speaker 1: For your contribution to hip hop, contribution to what you're doing,
Speaker 1: continue to do. I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, I said nas earlier and you know, you know,
Speaker 1: but if it wasn't for you, it wouldn't be no me.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, you know, I'm inspired by you and
Speaker 1: what you guys did and what you did, and I
Speaker 1: love I love the fact that I was so honored
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy to give you your flowers face
Speaker 1: to face man and man because I want you to
Speaker 1: know how important you are to hip hop, how important
Speaker 1: you are to us, how important you are to the community,
Speaker 1: how you're important you are to the fucking culture. Thank you, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I was I was like so happy, like man,
Speaker 1: me us we got group chatting, We gotta yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta go, yeah feeling.
Speaker 2: Somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeh know, that's that's that's it. But yeah, thank you,
Speaker 1: my man, Like, thank you, bro, thank you for what
Speaker 1: you did, because in a lot of ways, if you
Speaker 1: didn't do what you did, drink chance wouldn't exist because
Speaker 1: we're all fans of you, all.
Speaker 2: People that follow you, We're all people that you got
Speaker 2: me feeling like Karres one see saying see you that you.
Speaker 1: Yo know you that guy.
Speaker 5: I went around car Ris one right, I was around
Speaker 5: kress one man, and I just said, listen, don't talk
Speaker 5: to me, just let me look at you. Just let
Speaker 5: me feel what you are first, don't say nothing. And
Speaker 5: he and we just stared at each other like mm hmm.
Speaker 5: So you're the blast mask, I said, God, damn you
Speaker 5: the blast mask.
Speaker 2: Care listen. I grew up in the right era.
Speaker 5: I know. I know these young boys, they're young I love.
Speaker 5: But I was meant to be an old man because
Speaker 5: I seen a lot more. I seen what I had
Speaker 5: to see in those days, because you would have never
Speaker 5: acknowledged it because you wasn't born right you did. Y'all
Speaker 5: was born. Y'all was born when it was over, when
Speaker 5: I was in power. So I don't count me. I
Speaker 5: count the ones before me because they are. They were
Speaker 5: so charismatic and beautiful and enlightening.
Speaker 2: That's why I told you.
Speaker 5: Even some of the worst motherfuckers inspired me. Bad evil
Speaker 5: motherfuckers inspired me, not to be evil and not to
Speaker 5: be them. And they told me you could be better
Speaker 5: than me. Dude, be you. You is better than me.
Speaker 5: And I loved them for that fire. These are niggas
Speaker 5: who they kill at will fuck caller duty. These niggas
Speaker 5: was the duty, all.
Speaker 2: Right, These niggas with the duty.
Speaker 1: Right. You know, I'm older than you. Just know what
Speaker 1: that ship is about, right Because them boys is, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not here, but they need their flowers too because
Speaker 1: they got us to where we need to be.
Speaker 5: How you're gonna beat Kane and rock Him? How you
Speaker 5: gonna beat Fat Boys and Public Enemy? How you gonna
Speaker 5: beat run DMC and ll cool J if you ain't
Speaker 5: coming with nothing different?
Speaker 2: How you gonna beat Houdini? Nigga? You can't.
Speaker 5: You can't come on them boys? Was come on, milk
Speaker 5: d come on every time he do what yo?
Speaker 2: Come on man?
Speaker 5: That's why we got what we got, That's why we
Speaker 5: live where we live.
Speaker 1: So how would you end if you if it was
Speaker 1: all up to you and Mecca and a soul brother?
Speaker 1: How would you end that legacy? If you can, if
Speaker 1: it's up to you.
Speaker 5: See, that's the beautiful part of it is that I
Speaker 5: couldn't tell you how we we're in. That's a great you,
Speaker 5: dig I couldn't tell you how we're in because it's not.
Speaker 2: It's so, it's so like it's it's in space, and.
Speaker 5: I gotta come and pull it out of space somewhere,
Speaker 5: and then the nigga gotta like me too.
Speaker 2: I think. Keep going. It was written, and it was
Speaker 2: written to be liked. We gotta be respected, because I
Speaker 2: keep hearing you say that.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing you say, and for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, I keep hearing you say you ain't never
Speaker 1: had to like me right to.
Speaker 5: Him and to everybody, to everybody, not just here, okay,
Speaker 5: because we don't want to isolate him.
Speaker 2: This is the format. This is how it is with everybody.
Speaker 2: When you want.
Speaker 5: Respect, you don't gotta like me, Just respect me. Nigga,
Speaker 5: don't gotta like my shit.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 5: I didn't buy the shirt for you to like. I
Speaker 5: bought the shirt because I like it. But you're gonna
Speaker 5: respect it because you ain't gonna take it from me.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. It's nothing, it's.
Speaker 5: Nothing complicated, it ain't it ain't rocket science.
Speaker 2: It's just where you're from.
Speaker 5: Because I know where I'm from, and I go all
Speaker 5: over the place, and I know how to conduct myself.
Speaker 5: We don't got to fake it to make it. We
Speaker 5: made it in life. We're talking about making a record
Speaker 5: in the music business, but I made it in life.
Speaker 5: Come on, you know that I made it in life.
Speaker 5: Look this one hundred and fifty dollars dollars ship. Come on, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Got all type of diamonds. Hash that diamonds hash that
Speaker 1: should tastes like Jesus. Say.
Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't know Jesus had a person. Wow, I
Speaker 2: mean that. I don't even think I ever said that. That'symmetric.
Speaker 5: I never said that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, See, I'm a found I never said that.
Speaker 2: I mean I never said that.
Speaker 1: I said it.
Speaker 2: I said that.
Speaker 5: Listen my spirituality and how this night has went. I've
Speaker 5: learned something, you know, I've learned something. Okay, what we
Speaker 5: love that there's levels to this, you know. And Noriega
Speaker 5: is real. Yes, I mean, Noriega is real, man, Thank
Speaker 5: you so much. Norriega is real.
Speaker 1: What But today I'm gonna be honest with you. Me
Speaker 1: and E f M, my partner, We are so happy
Speaker 1: to have you here because there was a rumor. Now,
Speaker 1: let let's get this out there about.
Speaker 2: It, y'all.
Speaker 1: To when he came in the room, were close. I
Speaker 1: was so mad. Were close. I was so mad because
Speaker 1: they was like yo oh that that CEO wasn't wasn't
Speaker 1: allowed on.
Speaker 2: It was like a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was your fans because your fans
Speaker 1: is very relentless niggas like they the.
Speaker 2: Niggas as they should be. But I heard that before.
Speaker 1: Your fans who started this room now, but they shouldn't
Speaker 1: start that. But by the way, I've respected the room.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was like just oh ship because because Pete came
Speaker 1: on here twice and your fans was on our ass.
Speaker 2: I'm telling pause, oh funk.
Speaker 3: You were like no, pause pause, so seek.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, your fans is.
Speaker 5: On foul. But it was like, what what the fuck
Speaker 5: is going on? They want everything? Even I like that
Speaker 5: they fill in my love when my love isn't warranted
Speaker 5: or welcome, they fill it in. You're gonna love you
Speaker 5: know that though. I know because that's how I learned
Speaker 5: to say. Listen, you're gonna respect Peter. You're gonna respect
Speaker 5: what he did for you. You're gonna respect what y'all did together,
Speaker 5: and you're gonna love it, you understand, And then you're
Speaker 5: gonna go about your business. And you got your business.
Speaker 5: Nobody's nobody's stopping that.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 5: But when it's time you go back and you go
Speaker 5: see him, you don't have to be your brother. You
Speaker 5: don't have to put that expectation on him. You don't
Speaker 5: have to be your friend. You don't have to put
Speaker 5: that expectation on him, but you better respect him. You
Speaker 5: better be serious about your business so you could respect
Speaker 5: you and then.
Speaker 2: Do it for the fans.
Speaker 5: It's not about your bitch ass, it's about the fans.
Speaker 2: Corey, It's about the fans. He's who he is.
Speaker 5: Yourself, Yeah, okay, yeah, because you could talk about everybody
Speaker 5: on this platform. But then you gotta hold yourself accountable too.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. You gotta look at yourself too.
Speaker 5: When you don't look at yourself in the mirror, that's
Speaker 5: a that's a conversation all in itself, right, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: So you have to be honest, and when you're honest
Speaker 5: with yourself, anything is possible. For a solution. I think
Speaker 5: solution based. I think it I vision it, I live it.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I sit in one place for a week, but
Speaker 5: I'm I'm thinking of a solution.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of a solution. Fix and then I'm here
Speaker 5: to fix it. You ain't moving. And sometimes you could
Speaker 5: put it on the back burner. It ain't back burners ship.
Speaker 5: It's about yeah, fix it, because then it'll fix you.
Speaker 2: Heard, yes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Can I tell you my fantastic idea in my mind?
Speaker 3: My dream, my story is so bad. Let's go that
Speaker 3: both you and Pete Rock have grown to a place.
Speaker 3: We're coming together makes the best music that you would
Speaker 3: have ever possibly made. And like I already said before,
Speaker 3: with the business strategy, Massive Field or a company like
Speaker 3: mass a Field comes in because does the documentary document
Speaker 3: produces the album and tours it around the world, and
Speaker 3: it's a phenomena and it's and it changes.
Speaker 2: It does what this does today?
Speaker 1: Massa Bill just signed our soul as well, right.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that, believe so yes, So.
Speaker 5: If that happened, I would just put my hat on's
Speaker 5: say yeah.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: We need making the Soul brothers together. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: on the plane.
Speaker 3: Nice You're don't be flying before the plane flies.
Speaker 2: That's what you want, That's what I want.
Speaker 1: And see, let me just speak on behalf of hip
Speaker 1: hop again. I know I said to you earlier, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it to you again because to me,
Speaker 1: that must to me, and it means that must of
Speaker 1: this room, and it means much of the hip hop.
Speaker 2: Thank you again, man, thank you like thank you, thank
Speaker 2: you for.
Speaker 1: You know, changing the game, thank you for making the
Speaker 1: game what it's supposed to be. Thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: continuing to do your motherfucking thing, and thank you for
Speaker 1: being motherfucking modest like and.
Speaker 2: And I can't lie to you like you do.
Speaker 1: You and Pete, I don't ever really want to know
Speaker 1: really what it is.
Speaker 2: If it is something, I told you what it is
Speaker 2: and we talked about all of it.
Speaker 5: I told you what it is. Okay, there's two men
Speaker 5: that are doing business and got to do business a
Speaker 5: certain way. Alls we gotta do is be in the
Speaker 5: same room. And that's it, right, you understand. But I
Speaker 5: like the space he's in. I like what he's doing.
Speaker 5: I love that you say that.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 5: I don't want him in a dark space coming back
Speaker 5: to me, thinking he's settling. I want him at the
Speaker 5: top of his shit. I want him with new money.
Speaker 5: I want him with all the vision in the world
Speaker 5: to say I bought new glasses for you, baby. Everything
Speaker 5: you guys do, because I know I need inspiration too,
Speaker 5: because I don't know you and you don't know me
Speaker 5: no more.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Let me reduce, let me reintroduce, because I'm like yellow Stone.
Speaker 5: I just got this peace and the other big boys
Speaker 5: want to eat it. And I've been too busy protecting
Speaker 5: that yellow stone for you to come in and tell me, nigga, how.
Speaker 2: To keep it.
Speaker 5: Break it off more and give me another yellow Stone, nigga,
Speaker 5: and we don't gotta talk again.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna.
Speaker 5: Real that yellow stone.
Speaker 1: Leave me alone. That shit is so beautiful, man, But
Speaker 1: I can't afford the love.
Speaker 5: Can't you afford the love? Yes, I can afford the love.
Speaker 5: Can't you afford the love? Absolutely? What are you talking about?
Speaker 5: When we gotta fight for the cow, that's when it's serious.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 5: When we when we gotta fight for vegetation, that's when
Speaker 5: it's serious. What you mean you can't talk to me?
Speaker 5: Sip some of this white Hennessey and do what you.
Speaker 1: Do awesome green tea because I heard your green tea.
Speaker 2: I love green tea. You're like, you got a private eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. You got you, You got your ship.
Speaker 2: You like that ship? What's that ship? Whack one hundred?
Speaker 2: Was that another? Yes? You you do your homework.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know you're a gardener too. Man.
Speaker 5: You like the Supreme Team Supreme team bro.
Speaker 1: So you're drinking green tea and then you a gardener.
Speaker 2: I love God, I love flowers.
Speaker 5: How I love that ship because if you know what
Speaker 5: it's all in the woman, you picked two.
Speaker 2: But if ain't nothing growing around.
Speaker 1: You, you are suspecting this.
Speaker 2: Ship gotta be growing around you. Ship gotta be like.
Speaker 5: I used to have a dog, So you gotta feed it,
Speaker 5: you gotta walk it, you gotta train it.
Speaker 2: Ship gotta be elevating around you for you to be.
Speaker 5: Something like, fuck you mean I used to only have
Speaker 5: a dog in a gym card when I lost all
Speaker 5: my money. A dog, a dog a gym card, come
Speaker 5: up from there. The dog protects you and then you
Speaker 5: go to the gym and bill your ship. Yeah it
Speaker 5: was yeah, not only one, two of them, because I.
Speaker 2: Had black was the first one, then Rocker was the
Speaker 2: second one unrelated to DMX dog the second one. Both
Speaker 2: both come on, but the second one is specially.
Speaker 5: But listen, yeah, because listen, you're getting it from Yonkers right,
Speaker 5: then you're getting it from his litter. Then you're picking
Speaker 5: from the same litter. How am I not gonna get
Speaker 5: a dog from him? How is he not gonna give
Speaker 5: me a dog?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I'm serious. How is DMX not gonna give me a dog?
Speaker 5: How is DMX friend not gonna give me a dog?
Speaker 5: How was the one DMX look up to not gonna
Speaker 5: give me a dog?
Speaker 2: Especially?
Speaker 5: You know my cachet is heavy because I don't talk
Speaker 5: about it, don't mean it ain't happy.
Speaker 3: Shure, not for nothing. The way you just said dog
Speaker 3: every time I felt.
Speaker 2: Like you could tell felt.
Speaker 5: The dog was the one that had kept me from
Speaker 5: walking around the hood.
Speaker 2: The dog.
Speaker 5: When you lose your money, you're limited, so the dog
Speaker 5: keeps you from everybody talking to you till you.
Speaker 2: Get your shit together because the dog is keeping them all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then you got your gym card, so get
Speaker 5: your body in your mind together and then something will happened.
Speaker 5: So see how all things fall into place? You know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying when I read the Book of Job,
Speaker 5: that's how I see my life a little bit like,
Speaker 5: oh shit, not that drastic, but just about there. Lose
Speaker 5: all your shit to get more and learn more and
Speaker 5: rock bottom. You can have a lot of shit, but
Speaker 5: can you keep it? You can have a lot of shit,
Speaker 5: but can you keep it? Do you know how to
Speaker 5: keep it? Do you know how to nurture it and
Speaker 5: water it? Like a flower? And that's what you want, man.
Speaker 5: You want that flower to grow. You want that tree
Speaker 5: to grow. So twenty years from now or thirty years
Speaker 5: from now, when you dead, they say, yo, remember he
Speaker 5: used to water that spot over there. Yeah, that ship
Speaker 5: is a big ass tree. Now, punk ass nigga.
Speaker 2: You'll see.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I gotta thank you again, man for being exactly who
Speaker 1: you are exactly.
Speaker 5: I just love it up here because I didn't know
Speaker 5: it was like that. I used to always watch it
Speaker 5: on my phone. This is your house though, yeah you
Speaker 5: don't really know it's your house, but just like you.
Speaker 2: Got to come through the house and take off these.
Speaker 5: Guys, like these guys, it's the professionalism. It's who you
Speaker 5: are organically and how you have a platform. And you say,
Speaker 5: how do these guys do that. They're organic. They're where
Speaker 5: they are thank.
Speaker 1: You, not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but because they worked so hard a game.
Speaker 5: That thing like when you see them, when you see
Speaker 5: these announcers, when you see people on that.
Speaker 1: And your legend brother and just say something, you are
Speaker 1: a person that deserve you know, like like I kid
Speaker 1: you not. I feel like you raised everyone in this
Speaker 1: fucking room, like we all owe you. Like if you
Speaker 1: want some fried ticket, we gonna get you. Gotcha made
Speaker 1: this platform for for you. We made this platform for you. Listen.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it because I've never got I've never had
Speaker 5: to being around brothers like yourself and really chop it up, yes,
Speaker 5: and really be organic around the camera that I can say,
Speaker 5: I didn't even know it was there. I was just
Speaker 5: giving them a piece of me. Like you know, I
Speaker 5: wasn't out to hurt nobody. I was just I just
Speaker 5: love everybody, you know what I mean. But at the
Speaker 5: same time, I'm to be taken seriously. I want I want,
Speaker 5: I want you to understand that I'm a man like
Speaker 5: you are. Yes, and sometimes when you say it, it's
Speaker 5: not to be said.
Speaker 2: I'm never saying it.
Speaker 5: I just want you to acknowledge it, and even if
Speaker 5: you don't be on the path to do it, you know,
Speaker 5: because there's so much shit out here. I didn't know
Speaker 5: that these young kids was making all this money and
Speaker 5: then they're dying. I didn't know like it was like that,
Speaker 5: and I have to acknowledge it. I can easily ignore
Speaker 5: it because it's not a part of me. But that's
Speaker 5: not charity. Charity is something that got nothing to do
Speaker 5: with you, and you you want to help it, but
Speaker 5: it got nothing to do with your life. But you
Speaker 5: see millionaires dying as little kids, and you're saying that,
Speaker 5: ain't fuck it un fear when I see a young
Speaker 5: white kid and a young European kid, and even a
Speaker 5: young African kid have something in my American young black
Speaker 5: kid can't have nothing, and my Spanish kid can't have nothing,
Speaker 5: you know, because they're destroying them and they're having all
Speaker 5: what they want and they're still dying and taking their
Speaker 5: lives away from them.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know what to I wouldn't know what.
Speaker 5: It's like to spend time in jail like that with
Speaker 5: with any type of money I have right now, unless
Speaker 5: you hurt my family, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 5: the stories it's like you're taking us a thousand steps
Speaker 5: back to be a slave to what this is a music,
Speaker 5: So it's a lose lose. I don't understand it. I
Speaker 5: want somebody to teach me this finally in hip hop,
Speaker 5: I don't know about. I want to just be.
Speaker 2: Taught, Like how does that work?
Speaker 5: I'm not criticizing no more because I know you took
Speaker 5: the best shit out of you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: When you took pop smoke, you took the best shit ever.
Speaker 5: That was that Tupac shit. So I agree with you, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Sometimes these young niggas feel they're so young they don't
Speaker 5: know what's happening, like like they just it dies and
Speaker 5: that's it.
Speaker 2: But to an older nigga, you like, you know that's
Speaker 2: it for real? Do you know?
Speaker 1: That's it for real?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like you think you took pop.
Speaker 5: Smoking that that's and I'm not even on it like that,
Speaker 5: but I know what it means when you did that.
Speaker 5: I know what it means when you did that, So
Speaker 5: I'm I just want to learn, like, like how do
Speaker 5: you how do you like get past that and go
Speaker 5: to him and say I want to protect you Are
Speaker 5: you protecting him?
Speaker 2: Are you protecting him so he won't die? Like you
Speaker 2: kill King Vaughan?
Speaker 5: Like you kill ship that I don't I don't understand,
Speaker 5: Like why are you killing them?
Speaker 6: Aren't they your ship? Aren't they our ship? You know
Speaker 6: what you're talking about?
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? What do you what do
Speaker 2: you want? Are you doing it for?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 2: How much money do you want?
Speaker 1: To?
Speaker 2: Not kill that?
Speaker 5: They're destroying the families of these guys they have kids?
Speaker 5: What I don't understand what you want. I just want
Speaker 5: to learn, Like I'm out of it. Just let me
Speaker 5: learn what you're doing and then were good? Like let
Speaker 5: me learn why you gotta die? Why you got to
Speaker 5: think about why you got to think about when it's
Speaker 5: important to like let people see you, travel around the world,
Speaker 5: see your options. Why are you and rykers Island? Who
Speaker 5: can talk to you? Okay? You getting millions and you
Speaker 5: still go to jail? Why you and that doesn't affect nothing?
Speaker 5: You not doing shows you in prison, that doesn't affect nothing.
Speaker 2: For what.
Speaker 5: I'm just asking, is a gang more important than your family?
Speaker 5: I just want to know, Like who's your true gang?
Speaker 5: Like like my true gang is my grandpa? Like I
Speaker 5: killed for that like me, I killed for it. Would
Speaker 5: you see you in a chain? You had a chain on?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: With my grandpa, your grandfather? Because that's CEO Smooth. That's
Speaker 5: where I got it from. What do you kill for?
Speaker 5: You killed to impress this man? Or do you kill
Speaker 5: to put food on your table? If I got seven
Speaker 5: eight million, I'm not killing nothing. Let me just be
Speaker 5: honest with you, because you teach me why you got
Speaker 5: to hurt somebody that got nothing, that's in the Bronx
Speaker 5: or Brooklyn or Queens. You could be anywhere in the world,
Speaker 5: but they here, and they might be special, and you
Speaker 5: killing them?
Speaker 2: Why so me?
Speaker 5: I guess life is valuable when you when you look
Speaker 5: like this, when you act like this, I feel like
Speaker 5: life is valuable. Is that important to you? Do you
Speaker 5: feel me or you don't feel me? I need a
Speaker 5: gun to make you feel me. I'm showing you how
Speaker 5: to get away from it. You want to go to
Speaker 5: them niggas, Like I don't even fuck with niggas?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 5: When we growing that out of it? We want to
Speaker 5: live around neighbors. Dad, ain't trying to shoot us, ain't
Speaker 5: trying to rob us. Don't want to know how much
Speaker 5: money we got in our house. Why can't we work
Speaker 5: like that? What kind of president are we getting? I'm
Speaker 5: never in the politics, but the way is working. They're
Speaker 5: forcing you to think about politics, Like what do you
Speaker 5: want from me?
Speaker 2: I don't care. I grew up in the old New York.
Speaker 5: I don't care like New Yorkers be everywhere, to be everywhere, But.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I don't want to think about things that you forced
Speaker 5: me to think about in this society.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm an introvert.
Speaker 5: That's why I think soaking up family is more important.
Speaker 5: Is somebody who just wants likes their own company and
Speaker 5: not the company of others.
Speaker 2: I could be somewhere by.
Speaker 5: Myself on my compound, not where I gotta be entertained
Speaker 5: by something. So when I come out, I understand when
Speaker 5: a person is in sahu, a person is in the box.
Speaker 5: A person can spend a pandemic in a room and
Speaker 5: don't come out the house. But you stay in the
Speaker 5: room in the house. You don't just roam the house.
Speaker 5: You stay in the room. You gotta be conditioned for that,
Speaker 5: and I'm crazy for that. I'm intrigued by that because
Speaker 5: my life is based on that how society is going
Speaker 5: where you're gonna have to box yourself in and it
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be no choice because you see, it's that
Speaker 5: they're breaking you into something that we.
Speaker 2: Never heard of. Sure, you know what I'm saying, We
Speaker 2: never heard of that.
Speaker 5: And the music is what comes to say, savage beast,
Speaker 5: that that's what makes things operate and move in a
Speaker 5: life that is dormant, and then you have some rhythm
Speaker 5: to it and then we move in.
Speaker 2: He loves it.
Speaker 5: But you know I'm serious because I'm I think if
Speaker 5: I sit here and sip and smoke and not give
Speaker 5: something to the youth, it's you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: It's not they have to connect like a trainer, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Even Creed needed a rocky, you
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So it's who's teaching you, not
Speaker 5: what you know. It's who's teaching you what you know
Speaker 5: to make you a success. Not every teacher know how
Speaker 5: to bring you to the home run, but experience will.
Speaker 5: But experience will, and knowing rhythm and sound and adaptation.
Speaker 5: When you can adapt, when you can be uncomfortable to
Speaker 5: get comfortable, you're a bad man, you're a bad man.
Speaker 2: You're a bad man.
Speaker 1: So anything else letter you want to say it to
Speaker 1: your fans, I.
Speaker 5: Gave it to them because you can come up here
Speaker 5: and you can be anything you want to be. But
Speaker 5: authentic is what you want to be. You wanna, you wanna,
Speaker 5: you want to show that you love people's at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, you love people.
Speaker 2: You love their progress.
Speaker 5: You love when they upgrade, You love when they come
Speaker 5: home to the house they love. You love when they
Speaker 5: progress and do what they want to do in life
Speaker 5: and be proud of themselves. So that's what you want
Speaker 5: other people to be grater than you when you are
Speaker 5: no way your life is and how it's going in
Speaker 5: you know, and you say, hey, baby, my greatest things
Speaker 5: I lost they up there. When I do shows, it's
Speaker 5: not about the people down here, it's about the people
Speaker 5: up there. And that's what makes that song so crazy,
Speaker 5: is that I could feel my ancestors they dancing, they
Speaker 5: going all year that African shit, and they going that
Speaker 5: Cape Verdean shit, and they going through those islands of
Speaker 5: the Cape Verdians and they're going, yeah, do it because
Speaker 5: they used to live to one hundred and something.
Speaker 2: Could you believe they used to live to one hundred
Speaker 2: and something.
Speaker 5: I had a great grandfather that lived one hundred and
Speaker 5: something years.
Speaker 2: I just want to touch one hundred. Give it to me.
Speaker 5: If they said, hey, you could see your grandfather, but
Speaker 5: you got to give up all your shit and you
Speaker 5: could see him for fifteen minutes, I would give up
Speaker 5: all my shit and start all over again.
Speaker 2: I know it. You gotta know your limitations. See your grandfather.
Speaker 5: To see my grandfather one more time and touch him
Speaker 5: for fifteen minutes, I give up everything and talk to
Speaker 5: money don't mean nothing, and I'd spend ten minutes crying,
Speaker 5: but five minutes talking that.
Speaker 6: Shit baby fire, talking that shit baby like, Hey, did
Speaker 6: they think we was going to do that?
Speaker 5: Did they think we was going do what we did
Speaker 5: or whatever? How they think we live in Pop when
Speaker 5: we live with nothing? How they think we living? Oh baby,
Speaker 5: what you ain't telling them?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 5: I kept in this secret? Yeah shit, because I love you.
Speaker 5: I love you, and you said come around there with
Speaker 5: that bullshit car, but leave with that new ship. Don't
Speaker 5: tell them what. Don't let them know what your left
Speaker 5: hand and your right hand is doing. I'm saying, Pop,
Speaker 5: it don't work like that pop. It don't work like that,
Speaker 5: and he's saying, Nigga, you see what I told you, right?
Speaker 5: You see what I told you right, And you would
Speaker 5: have picked better friends. Five you to pick better friends, Champ,
Speaker 5: But I love y'all, and it's a session. It's a session. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a session because that sweet You're gonna make it
Speaker 5: what it is. You know you're gonna make it what
Speaker 5: it is.
Speaker 1: Fucking yo, yo, thank you, take a picture, Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you man so much. Man love.
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