WEBVTT - Pump The Brakes

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a man, I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Ty hilden Brandt joining me over there in

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<v Speaker 1>b e a Utvil, New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Fresh off of putting the solid baby into the bath?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, he is now out of the bath and

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<v Speaker 2>with Jody with and I. But I feel refreshed myself,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it was just it was just external for me.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we should we should point this out here, Dan, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>please tell the kind folks listening wherever they are, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh about your bath setup for the little man.

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<v Speaker 2>The bath set up. Oh it is patriotly related. I guess, good,

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<v Speaker 2>good transition. So I am just learning all of these

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<v Speaker 2>things as a very stupid new father. But you just

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<v Speaker 2>pour water over them when they're in the bathtub, and

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<v Speaker 2>like the contraption that holds them in place. And I

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<v Speaker 2>am using the Lee high cup that I purchased I

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<v Speaker 2>think the morning of your wedding that I used for

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<v Speaker 2>many years to drink my cold brew and iced coffee

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<v Speaker 2>out of. And now it has been retired and it

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<v Speaker 2>is now I guess the solid baby taking very Patriot

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<v Speaker 2>League back.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the Patriot League circle of life.

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<v Speaker 2>It is and it does get wet. Yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of skin and it's a it's a Patriot

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<v Speaker 2>League drum and fifee bath.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show. We've been doing Q and

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<v Speaker 1>A shows the last three weeks. So the first time

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<v Speaker 1>we did it in the month of May was you

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<v Speaker 1>asked me, then me asking you with a weird sort

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<v Speaker 1>of role playing Ben too wonderful. And then last week

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<v Speaker 1>we had questions from the verboler hood out there today, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing is going back to an old concept and

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<v Speaker 1>by old I mean a year old. We did it

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<v Speaker 1>once previously.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we change the name?

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<v Speaker 1>We can absolutely change the name, But let me give

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<v Speaker 1>some parent text for where we're headed with this. Last

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<v Speaker 1>year the show that we did it may have been

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<v Speaker 1>the first week of June. If I recall we called it,

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<v Speaker 1>Are we sure that dot dot dot? And the whole

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<v Speaker 1>premise behind it is you and I are going to

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<v Speaker 1>take some college football topics, ones that really play into

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<v Speaker 1>conventional wisdom, and we're going to challenge those beliefs. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to stress test them a little bit and see

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<v Speaker 1>if for sure it is something that we are sure

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<v Speaker 1>of or not. Now, the show last year was titled

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<v Speaker 1>are We Sure That? And you expressed an interest a

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<v Speaker 1>couple days ago and now again just a few seconds

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<v Speaker 1>ago to change the name to something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it's apparently like a Bill Simmons phrase, And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean he uses it. He didn't invent it, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other people who have used that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we could pump the brakes,

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<v Speaker 2>pump the brakes. It could be college football ish with

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<v Speaker 2>after further review or upon further consideration, or I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like pumping the brakes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love pump the brakes. I use that four times

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<v Speaker 1>a day.

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<v Speaker 2>And we can. Yeah, you probably are PhD level with

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<v Speaker 2>your corporate lingo.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, buddy, you are.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the one you told me yesterday? Blocking and tackling,

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<v Speaker 2>Blocking and tackling?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that? It refers to the mundane elements of

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<v Speaker 1>corporate life, the busy work, the seat work, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>So paperwork, calls, conference calls, meetings blocking you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be through. Never heard it. I had to ask somebody

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I heard brass tacks. Let's get down

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<v Speaker 2>to brass tacks, like, I don't where are we going.

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<v Speaker 1>We can go offline, we can go soup to nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>we can go thirty thousand foot view whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we do an entire episode? Like right before we begin,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how we're going to preview this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we should mix it up. Should we just

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<v Speaker 2>preview the big ten as if we are in a

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<v Speaker 2>Monday morning meeting?

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<v Speaker 1>I could absolutely do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's pump some brakes and actually determine whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not we should just hit the gas. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps righting the brakes is not the move. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>off season, so there's a lot of stop and start.

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<v Speaker 2>You have news, you have spring ball, you have recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>and signing day, and coaches moving around, so there is

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<v Speaker 2>there is action, but then there's no action, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of break pumping. Anyway, orb myyer announces he's

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<v Speaker 2>the coach and waiting at us. See, there's all of

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<v Speaker 2>those stories coming and going, So I like pump the brakes.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the only issue with this. Yeah, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should explain what this actually is. We will explain what

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<v Speaker 2>this is.

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<v Speaker 1>I had my hypothetical sound all cute up and ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I don't know if you can get me

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<v Speaker 1>a break screeching sound while I'm doing some of our

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<v Speaker 1>setup here on tonight's podcast. If you could put that

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<v Speaker 1>in the little bit just box.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold in the in the back of your mind thing

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<v Speaker 2>to yourself. Should we be pumping the brakes?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm saying I need Oh you want audio element? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>tonight's show. If you could find that, put it in

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<v Speaker 1>the folder. I'll see if I can spin it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Need it in a wave, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, you need it in a wave? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is what we are doing this evening again to rehash.

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<v Speaker 1>We are taking college football conventional wisdom for the coming

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen season, and we are stress testing it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to look at some things that we have come

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<v Speaker 1>to accept as fact, for better or worse, and deciding

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<v Speaker 1>should we pump the brakes, should we go pedal to

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<v Speaker 1>the metal on these ideas? Are we willing to accept

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<v Speaker 1>those under the big tent? That is a Soliverble podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Roll through the stop sign no breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be here all throughout the offseason. Once

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<v Speaker 1>college football season, we'll switch it up from once week

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<v Speaker 1>to twice a week, just to make sure you get

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<v Speaker 1>college football content flowing through those ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank god, check the check the dropbox, check the

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<v Speaker 2>drop box. Okay, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't you Yes, let me explain this work up

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<v Speaker 1>our first topic.

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<v Speaker 2>So over the course of the offseason, there's just a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of college football conventional wisdom, like, for instance, saturdays

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<v Speaker 2>are amazing. I don't think I can question that that

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<v Speaker 2>is something that we have accepted as fact or near fact.

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<v Speaker 2>What we're doing today with today's exercise is saying, is

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<v Speaker 2>this true though, this is what we've sort of accepted

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<v Speaker 2>to be the universal college football truth narrative wise, player wise,

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<v Speaker 2>program wise, But should we take a moment and question it?

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<v Speaker 2>As the college football scientists we are. Isn't it true

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're supposed to get a PhD you have

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<v Speaker 2>to defend your dissertation, right, mm hmm. You submit it

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's questioned by your peers and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to defend it. Or if you're doing some sort of experiment,

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be blind, you know, double blind. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is, there has to be an element of challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably used the blind determine correctly, but there has

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, you have to redo your experiment

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<v Speaker 2>to see if you can get the same results over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again. So there's an element of questioning things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we're doing here today as college football scientists.

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<v Speaker 2>Does the sound load and is it good to go?

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<v Speaker 1>I've got it. So the very first topic we have here, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do we want to pump the brakes? That's pretty good, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>On the idea that Manny diaz Oh was the right

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<v Speaker 1>hire for the Miami Hurricanes, Now, okay, this was a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big story. Give me the case for this is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty big story. So the case for many das

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<v Speaker 1>is that he's got a familiarity with the area, right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's from absolutely. Miami didn't go to Miami, went

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida State, but he's a Miami guy. He was

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<v Speaker 1>coaching the very recently. Is a defensive coordinator under Mark Richt.

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<v Speaker 1>Was actually hired to be a head coach at Temple.

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<v Speaker 1>Only had that chod for about three weeks before Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Richt retired from Miami and the Canes hired him back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got a ton of experience as a defensive coordinator,

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<v Speaker 1>has been a DC for about thirteen years. Has had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stops along the ways Missippi State. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>so people know many Diaz. He's long been thought of

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<v Speaker 1>as a very bright young mind in the sport of

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<v Speaker 1>college football, has got a lot of passion, is seen

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<v Speaker 1>as a very good recruiter. There's a lot to like there.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the case for. The case against is that

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<v Speaker 1>he's never been a head coach before, and the case

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<v Speaker 1>against is certainly that Many Diaz is stepping into a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where Miami. I know we've joked about losing the swagger,

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<v Speaker 1>but Miami is not what Miami used to be, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That might go number one overall fantasy things wise, Miami

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<v Speaker 2>losing swagger. If you are Ty Kuiper, Junior or Ty McShay.

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<v Speaker 2>And you are projecting out Miami trying to find its

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<v Speaker 2>lost swagger or swag? Are you? Is it a top

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<v Speaker 2>four pick so one of our first two picks each.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's more of a reach because whatever

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<v Speaker 2>happens during the season happens, and that adjusts the storyline

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<v Speaker 2>of trying to recapture the swag. It might be more

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<v Speaker 2>of an off season fantasy thing. I love that so much,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, because and well, we'll put this online.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put it on Twitter. Our dear, dear friend Bruce

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<v Speaker 2>Felbn wrote a story about Manny Diaz trying to recapture

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<v Speaker 2>the lost Miami swag. And I did the research, and

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<v Speaker 2>you could argue that Miami has been swagless more often

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<v Speaker 2>than it has been swag full. And you can look

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<v Speaker 2>if you look up Al Golden or Randy Shannon or

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Richt or Butch Dave. You just keep going back.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all trying to capture the swag.

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<v Speaker 2>And you look and interviews with recruits and it's just like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to bring that swag back. There is more

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<v Speaker 2>attempting to bring swag back in Coral Gables than there

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<v Speaker 2>is than there are days filled with swag, right and

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<v Speaker 2>by limited research. By the way, that's what I have.

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<v Speaker 1>When we say swag, we mean swagger for the people

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<v Speaker 1>out there who will call us on it. But you

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<v Speaker 1>get the gist of what we're saying. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>case both for and against Manny Diaz. Dan, how do you?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about this hire? Just from a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty thousand foot you if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't thought about it a lot. But it's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting time for Miami since Florida is still undergoing changes

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<v Speaker 2>Florida state, you know, not a super hot start to

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<v Speaker 2>Willie Taggart in terms of raising the profile of the

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<v Speaker 2>brand in the state of Florida. Uh, the ACC has

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<v Speaker 2>one clear major power. So it is a good time

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<v Speaker 2>to not be, you know, in a c full of

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<v Speaker 2>really destructive forces. And so I like the timing. I

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<v Speaker 2>like Manny Diaz. I think he's bright, I think he'll

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<v Speaker 2>recruit pretty well. I'm curious to see what happens in

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<v Speaker 2>the short term at quarterback. I don't think Tate Martell

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be necessarily the answer, and that has

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<v Speaker 2>really been what has dogged Miami recently is getting two

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<v Speaker 2>three good games from somebody whoever it is Malik Rogier

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<v Speaker 2>most recently, and then it going sideways. And so quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>to me is a huge deal. And I know it's

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult to find really good quarterbacks in Florida because

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<v Speaker 2>of the level of defensive competition in high school. Hard

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<v Speaker 2>to develop in Florida. So that's why Miami has gone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Brad Kaye is from like right by where

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<v Speaker 2>my parents are in southern California. That's why they have

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<v Speaker 2>to go out of state. So I think there are

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<v Speaker 2>challenges with that job that are not obvious and people

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<v Speaker 2>just think, oh, South Florida, they'll load up with talent,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll be great. Maybe it's a for sure winnable division

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<v Speaker 2>given where those teams are at. But my only real

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<v Speaker 2>question is is he in the back of his mind

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<v Speaker 2>orized on a daily, hourly, every minute basis, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what's going on in the program, having a vision

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<v Speaker 2>Because to me, saying he's from Miami, he gets it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye see, That's that's where I was gonna go with this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm pumping the brakes on this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it feels too much sister USC schoolish to

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<v Speaker 2>me at that I'm worried about that angle, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean he will fail, but it means he has

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<v Speaker 2>to outgrow that angle, getting.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who knows the culture. The whole welcome home

0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.680
<v Speaker 1>thing that I know we've had fun with in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Rick just was welcomed home, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>welcoming home, and Scott Frost was welcomed home, and they

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<v Speaker 2>tried to welcome Harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Jeff Bram home to live like. I get the angle.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand why bringing Jim Harbaugh home to Michigan's a

0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.079
<v Speaker 1>big deal and that Super Bowl coach different to the alumni, right,

0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I get that whole angle. There is definitely a place

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<v Speaker 1>for it. But I think it's overrated. I realized why

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<v Speaker 1>really overrated. I didn't used to feel that way, but

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<v Speaker 1>then I did the show for twelve years, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I really feel like it's an overrated quality that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fans latch onto when it comes to head

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<v Speaker 1>football coach. I like Mandy Diaz. I think he's forward thinking.

0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 1>He's certainly not rooted to any like old school mentality

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to coaching the football team, but we

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<v Speaker 1>still don't really know what he is. He's very much

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<v Speaker 1>an unknown quantity. Some of his stops as a defensive

0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.680
<v Speaker 1>coordinator have gone better than others, so his stock has

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<v Speaker 1>sort of risen and fallen over the course of time here,

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<v Speaker 1>over like the last decade or so. I'm pumping the

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<v Speaker 1>brakes on this just because we don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about what that team is going to look like. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's going to be able to bring

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<v Speaker 1>that swagger back. We know he's got a passion for

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<v Speaker 1>that area of Florida and certainly for the school that

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<v Speaker 1>is Miami. I think his father was the mayor of

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<v Speaker 1>my or something like that. There's a lot of familiarity there.

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<v Speaker 2>But that, by the way, I believe, and I'm confirming

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<v Speaker 2>this as we speak. I believe both Butch Davis and

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Johnson went to Arkansas. Yeah, so it's are like

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<v Speaker 2>their coaching careers, a lot of it took place in

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<v Speaker 2>Texas and Oklahoma, and they're.

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<v Speaker 1>On rushmore in quarrel rifles, So you don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>be from there. Miami Building winner Dennis Erickson definitely isn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's pump the brake on many das. I hope it works.

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<v Speaker 1>College football is more interesting when Miami is interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>I would love, truly if somebody could bring the swagger back,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's just so much of an unknown quantity at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. I think. Given here's what I will say,

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<v Speaker 1>Given the fact that it broke down with Mark Richt

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<v Speaker 1>as late as it did in the coaching carousel, the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they were able to go out and get

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<v Speaker 1>Manny Diaz away from Temple was a coup in that sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It was absolutely the correct, the right move. Who else

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to get at that juncture. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough spot to put any program in.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the other thing that I think can be both

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<v Speaker 2>over and understated. Miami just hired a new Temple coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you get rid of the connections, right, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't pipeline. No, no, no, I'm not referring to al Gold.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm talking about. Oh okay, Think about

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<v Speaker 2>a group of five school who has had some success

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<v Speaker 2>and they hire a new coach whatever. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what example I could give right now, Like, who

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<v Speaker 2>is a decent group of five school that just hired

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<v Speaker 2>an up and comer that has had decent success. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give it some thought, or you can give it some thought.

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<v Speaker 2>As I'm talking, it was plain a day that Manny

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<v Speaker 2>Diaz has worked up to the point where, yes, he

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<v Speaker 2>should be given a shot as a head coach on

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<v Speaker 2>a somewhat major college football level. And it made sense. Oh, Temple, Holde,

0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Temple hired Manny Diaz. He is that made sense to everybody.

0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:53.960
<v Speaker 2>He was a new Temple level head coach who has

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly without coaching, jumped up a pretty significant deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And so that to me is curious that this

0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 2>might be too big a leap too quickly, and that

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<v Speaker 2>we might look back and maybe he'll have a great

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<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't work out in Miami, he'll have a

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<v Speaker 2>great you know, second stage of his career, and he'll

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<v Speaker 2>look back and say, you know what, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I was ready for it in that moment, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been nice to get two three years

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<v Speaker 2>of reps at a group of five, So thin Eli

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<v Speaker 2>Drinkwitz kind of thing, Yes, yes, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean many Diaz has been a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>high profile at Texas and Mississippi State in Miami, so

0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.919
<v Speaker 2>he has higher level experience. Yeah, but yes, if Eli

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<v Speaker 2>Drinkwitz was hired at app State, and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>the sudden Washington State, if Mike Leach had left with like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh we really want Eli Drinkwitz like oh wow, that's

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<v Speaker 2>but okay, hop hop and that that might be something

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<v Speaker 2>that comes into play.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move on. Let's go over to another one.

0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not pumping brakes, but I am going through the

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<v Speaker 2>yellow cautiously.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we pumping the brakes on Jalen Hurts fitting in

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<v Speaker 1>at Oklahoma? Now, Okay, if we must rehash this for

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<v Speaker 1>the kind folks, the smart folks that certainly listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the show, Jalen Hurts is transferring over from Alabama. He

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<v Speaker 1>went twenty six and two in an Alabama uniform as

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<v Speaker 1>starting quarterback, albeit running a much much different offense. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>as we saw with Kyler Murray last year, and as

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 1>we saw that Oklahoma program ramp up on offense under

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.919
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Riley, there's no shortage of playmakers. The question for

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<v Speaker 1>them will be along the line this year they lose

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of guys, right, we did ask I believe

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<v Speaker 1>in this very same show, virtually the same question about

0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Kyler Murray in twenty eighteen, sort of that we're asking

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<v Speaker 1>about Jalen Hurts now at Oklahoma, the fit is it

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<v Speaker 1>worth the emotional energy? Where do you come down on

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts?

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<v Speaker 2>So I can very clearly see a world in which

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<v Speaker 2>he succeeds pretty electrically. But the nagging thing to me

0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.640
<v Speaker 2>is Kyler Murray, who we had in this position last year.

0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Kyler Murray had time years plural in Lincoln Riley's system,

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<v Speaker 2>mental reps, practices, film whatever, Baker Mayfield years and it

0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 2>was already at Texas Tech in a very not similar

0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 2>but you know, there are similarities system, whereas what Jalen

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Hurts is used to doing offensively can be pretty different

0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.879
<v Speaker 2>than what Oklahoma has done. Not to say Oklahoma won't

0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.680
<v Speaker 2>fit their offense to take advantage of his dual threat strengths,

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<v Speaker 2>but that has me curious since the record is not

0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.119
<v Speaker 2>great of quarterbacks immediately jumping into a system as a

0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:59.119
<v Speaker 2>grad transfer and succeeding. Now, there aren't always quarterbacks who

0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.359
<v Speaker 2>have been as successful as Jalen Hurts making that move.

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<v Speaker 2>So I understand that and the fact that Oklahoma's a

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<v Speaker 2>Heisman factory, but the lack of time, the lack of comforts,

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.320
<v Speaker 2>it is worrisome because there were certain advantages that Jalen

0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Hurts enjoyed with Alabama's defense and didn't have to score

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of points to put together a twenty six

0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.240
<v Speaker 2>and two record, right. No, Oklahoma's defense got to score

0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.879
<v Speaker 2>a little more than what the threshold is at Alabama,

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<v Speaker 2>and he will have playmakers, as you have noted. But

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<v Speaker 2>I am far less sure. And I was not terrifically

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 2>sure of Kyler Murray last year. I'm far less sure

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.199
<v Speaker 2>about Jalen Hurts because of what we saw him do

0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.280
<v Speaker 2>in the biggest games for Alabama. Even when he won,

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.199
<v Speaker 2>it was not always the prettiest thing. And I have

0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it up right here. Jalen Hurts was the twenty ninth

0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.639
<v Speaker 2>best quarterback in twenty seventeen against ranked teams with yards

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.119
<v Speaker 2>per attempt, if that's a metric you care about, in

0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:02.919
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixth against ranked teams ratings, so statistically fine. I

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<v Speaker 2>just he had so many advantages at Alabama, and as

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.920
<v Speaker 2>soon as a better thrower came along, he looked twenty

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:11.240
<v Speaker 2>times better through the air.

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The good news. The good news for Jalen Hurts

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<v Speaker 1>His regular season schedule is a much lighter lift at

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma than it ever was at Alabama. As I look

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>through it here, it's a while before you get to

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<v Speaker 1>a notable defense. It's probably, in all reality, not until

0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 1>we get to the Red River shootout in middle of

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.720
<v Speaker 1>October against Texas, until we're talking about this team playing

0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.800
<v Speaker 1>what I would consider a real defense. Okay, the Big

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>twelve has this reputation. It's not so much a defensive

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>conference like the SEC, and that will bode well for

0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts if only to get his feet wet in

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.679
<v Speaker 1>the first half of the season, and I think that

0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 1>will help him along. That learning curve point, though, was

0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.719
<v Speaker 1>very valid. He has not had the mental reps, the

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:07.800
<v Speaker 1>practice reps of Kyler Murray from a year.

0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Right garbage time Kyler Murray a couple of years ago. Yeah.

0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I do like the fact that he's very mobile and

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that should help him. We certainly got playmakers around him,

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but the line's going to be a little sketchy to

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 1>start until it jels. I think Lincoln Riley will find

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a way to bring it all together. I think they

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>will find a way to make him fit in. He

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 1>may not fit in a heisman sense like we saw

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 1>with Kyler Murray. He may not fit in a Heisman

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.800
<v Speaker 1>sense like we saw with Baker Mayfield. But there's certainly

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 1>enough talent around him, and I think Lincoln Riley is

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>bright enough of a college football mind that he can

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 1>tailor a system. He's had all off season to think

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about this. He can tailor an offensive system that will

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.159
<v Speaker 1>work for Jalen Hurts and will emphasize what he does well.

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 1>My bigger question about Oklahoma is what Alex Grinch does

0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 1>on the defensive side. That's not the question here right

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 1>as we move forward now into preview season, That's the

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.560
<v Speaker 1>question I'm going to be asking more. I'm going to

0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.399
<v Speaker 1>ask about that offensive line, sure, but my first question

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:08.479
<v Speaker 1>is whether or not Alex Grinch can bring along that

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.160
<v Speaker 1>defense the way he's brought defenses like Washington stayed along

0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 1>in the past.

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I think Texas Tech will be a good measuring stick

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>at the end of September for Jalen Hurts because that

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 2>defense has come a long way and now I think

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 2>it's being run by the old ASU defensive coordinator Keith Patterson.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>It's come a long way and it is probably okay,

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and that I think will give us He should have

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:33.920
<v Speaker 2>a good game, not a great game, but he should

0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 2>have a good game against Texas Tech. I'm curious to

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>see that as a measuring stick because Houston South Dakota

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>UCLA you see on the road kind of interesting. The

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 2>defense has been kind of in shambles the last couple

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of years. Those two games UCLA on the road in

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Texas Tech, I think will be quite interesting to see

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 2>what the potential bar is for Jalen Hurts. But yeah,

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>the Texas game by mid October will be huge.

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>That'll be the measuring stick. All right, where do you

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 1>want to go next? Dan, Let's go to Okay. I

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like this one, and I think that there's a lot

0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. An unpack here are we? Can we

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 1>pump brakes? Are we positive? Are we sure that whatever?

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 1>After further consideration, can ed Orzron provide something tangible for

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:23.800
<v Speaker 1>LSU that less Miles couldn't? Okay, get that sound in there,

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead.

0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Please, This is the because LSU fans are very quick too,

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like what what?

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Huh?

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 1>What?

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 2>No? What? What? No? I like ed Orzron. I like

0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 2>ed Oorzron a lot. Near the end of his tenure,

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>less Miles was losing three games a year, and he

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 2>had and it was it was doing so in confusing

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.920
<v Speaker 2>manner at times. The late game situations were pretty problematic,

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and that culminated with the Auburn situation. I want to

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 2>say twenty sixteen, then at Oorzron becomes the interim and

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people have rallied behind him,

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and they were a ridiculous game away from winning ten

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:06.360
<v Speaker 2>regular season games last year, that crazy overtimes game against

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Texas A and M So tangibly speaking, right now, Edorzron

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 2>is not necessarily getting great passing. It's fine. I don't

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.160
<v Speaker 2>think it's anything demonstrably better or worse than where less

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Miles was and inconsistent passing games. He's lost three games

0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 2>he has there, I don't think elsus. This is my

0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.640
<v Speaker 2>correction from before they've scored a touchdown in Baton Rouge

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>against Alabama since twenty fourteen, a single touchdown and that

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>was in the first quarter in twenty fourteen, so it's

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>been a while. I think it's been eleven quarters if

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>my math holds up. So that is worrisome, and so

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>tangibly speaking, I think Edorsron needs to take LSU to

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 2>ten regular season wins and until that happens, is is

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>he like Barrel chested less, Miles Baryl just In just

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 2>in turn terms of bottom line, I understand the organization.

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I understand that coaches may have more confidence in him

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 2>running the program day to day, that he has evolved

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 2>into this very impressive head coach. But when do they

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:18.160
<v Speaker 2>get their news, Zach Mettenberger. When do they get that

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 2>one year JaMarcus Russell? When do they get above average

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 2>quarterback play at the same time as great defense, great recruiting,

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>confidence from the coaching staff, confidence from the administration and boosters.

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Is is there anything else other than ten wins that

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:40.520
<v Speaker 2>would provide a tangible improvement light shining on at oriz Ron.

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 2>That is such a good question, Dan, And here's the

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>sub question, Ty, and you can answer that one first,

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>But what is the biggest perception change with one win?

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Like is it going from five and seven to six

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 2>and six? You're like, oh my god, this is a

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 2>totally new improved team because all of a sudden they're

0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 2>going to the minu Key car Care Bowl. Or is

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>it going from nine to ten? Is it going from

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>eleven to twelve, which obviously undefeated before a potential conference championship.

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Is it going from seven barely Bowl eligible to eight comfortable.

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Where to you is the biggest perception shift with one win?

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>So I answered the first question first, and then the second.

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so first things first, I'm gonna talk about something

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>that took me by surprise a year ago, and that

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 1>was Joe Burrow. Now, when Edward Jeran took over at LSU,

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember distinctly you and I talking about the perception

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>problem that we had with LSU, and it was that

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the offense hadn't matured or hadn't evolved to a point

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>where it was good enough to get to the heights

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that lc fans wanted it to get to. Right, they

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>brought in Joe Burrow. Now, I'm not saying Joe Burrow

0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is Peyton Manning. I'm not even saying Joe Burrow is

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Cooper Manning, Cooper Manning. Okay, but Joe Burrow was

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. And the stats, it's fine. The stats aren't

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 1>reflective of how big he came up in some really

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 1>key spots throughout the course of this LSU season.

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>LSU finished, and this is a metric. I think we

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>both like thirty fourth nationally in offensive points per drive.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's a pace adjusted stat that's pretty.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Good, So that's an improvement. I think the fact that

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>they've got him back now that will help solidify the

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>offense hopefully move it forward. But that's that's the biggest

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 1>issue I have fifty the year before I had let's say,

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>with LSU under ed Orgeron, can he give them something

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>tangible that Les Miles did. Now, if you are using

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>one win to get to ten regular season wins as

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>your bottom line barometer, it's been a while. It's been

0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>since twenty twelve since LSU won ten games in the

0:28:56.120 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>regular season, I think it helps to get to double

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>digit wins in the regular season, no doubt. I also

0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>don't think that that's the proper measuring stick. I think

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the SEC West constantly measures itself against Alabama constantly.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the unfortunate thing.

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>That's the unfortunate thing. If ed Orgeron is winning ten

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>games almost anywhere else, he's a saint. The problem is

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that they're in the same conference, in the same side

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of the same conference as the Alabama Crimson tied and oh,

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>by the way, pretty much every other team on that

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>side of the conference has also gotten a lot better.

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>They've also found ways to upgrade their program I'm looking

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 1>at U Texas A and M. I don't know if

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that ten win mark means as much as it used to,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and that's unfortunate for Ordron. He has steadied the ship.

0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>He's won nine games each of the last two years

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.800
<v Speaker 1>in the regular season. I think that's a good step

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>in the right direction. But can he give them something

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 1>tangible that Les Miles didn't. I'm looking at Les miles

0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>career record right now. Granted he was at LSU a

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>long time, but he did win a national championship and

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he lost another.

0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 2>What I wonder is and we'll never know, but we've

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>seen this in other divisions, other conferences, whether it's you know,

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Texas Oklahoma, whether it's you know, Mac Brown is you know,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the best modern coach Texas has had, and Bob Stoops

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.560
<v Speaker 2>happens to also be the best coach Oklahoma has had

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and it just all happened at the same time. Or

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Jim Harbaugh taking Stanford to these crazy heights, but Chip

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Kelly having Oregon a little bit better. And that's this

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>constant thing, although those are much shorter lasting, is what

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 2>does the SEC West look like if Alabama is merely

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>great and not all time elite excellent, Like what happens

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>if it's just a year over year ten and two

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>ish Alabama program, Like it's at a Blake Simms Alabama program,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>all due respect to Blake Simms or Jake Cochery, you

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>know those kind of like that's you're not getting top

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 2>top quarterback level and maybe there's defensive lapses like they

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 2>had against you know, it was twenty ten South Carolina

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>or or you know something like that Ole miss those

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 2>past couple of years where that just happens a couple

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>times a year, and what what is that? How does

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>that change the less Miles career arc? How does that

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>change things with Kevin Sumlin? How does that change things

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>with I mean Dan Mullin was going to leave for

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Florida whenever he possibly could leave for Florida, and Hugh

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Freeze has nothing, you know, his departure doesn't really have

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>anything to do with Alabama. But how does that change

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>things around the SEC? If Alabama is merely oh, they're

0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a great program. Well man, we've talked about this before.

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>How many teams in the SEC, like pretty much all

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of them have experienced some kind of coaching turnover in

0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the span that Saban has been at Alabama, He's driven.

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>He's driven the SEC. He's driven all of college football crazy.

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's trying to get better than him, and nowhere more

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:55.040
<v Speaker 1>so than perhaps at LSU, who for so long has

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>been that natural rival, at least in the SEC West

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 1>to the Crimson tide. I like ed Orgron. I like

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I know, I just talked about how

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it's overrated, and it still is overrated. But I like

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he is sort of like the hometown

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>guy that everyone's rooting for. I like the fact that

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>he wanted the job more than virtually anyone else. I

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that we sometimes question how many screws

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>he has loose. I like the fact that he brings

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>that edge to LSU and there I think the screws

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>are tightened, the screws might be tightened, they're still a

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit loose. And you always had that component with

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>less Miles there, the mad hatter at LSC. There was

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:36.720
<v Speaker 1>always that edge that made ls very interesting to watch

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>from the outside, and I.

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Think people just got tired of it and just like, Okay,

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 2>we get what late late stage less Miles is.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>He needed new material rights. That's what it amounted to

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps the upgraded version or the different version of

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>less Miles can be at Orgeron. Less had a lot

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of good years at LSU. If ed Orgeron can put

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>together a better offense, if he can get things going

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in a better direction offensively, I think the talent is there.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I have confidence that he can build a defense. I

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 1>think he can get LSU back to a point where

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>winning ten games is something they can do in the

0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>regular season. The question for LSU people is can they

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>beat Alabama? Can they win the SEC West? Can they

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>win the SEC? I don't know the answer to that

0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>right now. The answer doesn't look like it's a yes.

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Which are you more sympathetic to asterisk wise LSU? And

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if ls do. People say this,

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>this is me projecting, but well, I mean they're this

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>seven overtime, They're like seventeen pulled Hammies away from winning

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 2>that you know, seven overtime game. You know ed Orgron

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 2>was doused in gatorade. They were so confident the game

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>was going to end when it did. Or are you

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>more confident in using the asterisk? When we just over

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and over made fun of Mike Gundy for saying, well,

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 2>the Central Mission games really a win our records really

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>because of the bad hail Mary call. I think I'm

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>still giving the edge to more sympathy for LSU because

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Oblo mis State had an opportunity to win that game

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't LSU. That was like a way out

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 2>of character game that I don't think Texas A and

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>M definitively can lay claim to. So I think they're

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty close to it a ten win team.

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>They're very close. They're very close. The question is almost

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 1>unfair to edwors You're on. Can he provide something tangible

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 1>that Les Miles couldn't. Les Miles provided a great deal,

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>he won a national championship. Edworgs are on, though, I

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 1>think can get them back to that level, which is encouraging.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>If I gave you odds right now of double digit

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 2>points scored by LSU against Alabama.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't want it.

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:54.240
<v Speaker 2>If I might give you plus two point fifty two.

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>And a half to one, no I need more.

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 2>If I gave you plus four hundred, I would take

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>four to one. Four to one odds of LSU getting

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 2>into double digits after being shut out two of the

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>last three years.

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, double digits is ten points. I would take four

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to one. I'm not sure about two and a half.

0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, what is your next break, Pumper?

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, I have a very important question, and that is

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>how often do you think about your socks every single day?

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about it forever on the show.

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm mister no show now. By the way, Oh really,

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that's how I live with pants without pants? Yep?

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Is that a dad moved in?

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's a dad move. It might

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>be more of a I like to wear pants to

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 2>the office space I go to, but I don't care

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 2>if anybody sees my ankles or my shins.

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I want it to breathe as we enter into summer.

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:46.439
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I'm doing.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Well, we've been talking about the merits.

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't cuff yet, if that's what you're asking.

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's good. Thank you. Okay, thank you for clarifying.

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not ruling it out, but I do not do

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>it yet.

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>We've been talking about socks forever. The value of having

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:03.439
<v Speaker 1>draw comfortable feet all throughout the day. The best way

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 1>to accomplish just that is by looking up our good

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Dan? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to do the big dog? Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a conference?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's coach, Let's save the big dog for later. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we both know what the big dog is

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<v Speaker 1>here on this list. Let's go to up and coming coach. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>pump the brakes, pedal to the medal, whichever way you

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>want to play it. Jeff Brahm, did he or did

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.160
<v Speaker 1>he not do a good thing by staying at Purdue

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<v Speaker 1>even with all of that cash that was being offered

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<v Speaker 1>from Louisville?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And well and Purdue. Yeah, did he do a.

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Good thing staying where he's at? You pump in the brakes,

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:57.839
<v Speaker 1>you go and pedal to the medal on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he miss a window to maximize his value in

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 2>a very volatile profession?

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>We've sort of talked about. I mean, I will give

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 2>my opinion. I won't speak for you, but he's going

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:16.919
<v Speaker 2>to make upwards of what five and a half six

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 2>million dollars either this year or eventually with his new deal.

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know that sets the market for him. If

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, Purdue goes eight and four, nine and three,

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and he gets a job at some huge blue blood

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.439
<v Speaker 2>after he's done at Purdue, he will make yes, seven

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 2>eight million dollars whatever, which is just crazy. My question

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>is the sindularity is the wagon to which he is hitching.

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Elijah Sindelar had an extraordinary Bowl game as quarterback two

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 2>years agogainst Arizona. I think that was in the Bay Area.

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:54.479
<v Speaker 2>That was Foster Farms or whatever it's called that bowl game,

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and then last season didn't really play. They lose to

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Michigan, I want to say, And he had kind

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>of a bad game and really has not proven himself

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>over the long term to be like I am the

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 2>dude at least that even David Blau was. And is

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Purdue in a place now with winnable games for sure,

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 2>with talent especially on offense, and taking a pretty enormous

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>step back on defense last year culminating in that game

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 2>against Auburn. Is Jeff Brohm hurting his long term potential

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>by staying at Purdue, which probably has a pretty defined ceiling.

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think Louisville has that same ceiling in

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the ACC. I don't think anywhere else really in most

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>other conferences have the ceiling that Purdue does. And I

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.240
<v Speaker 2>just I don't know if I love the place Purdue

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 2>is in to fully showcase Jeff bram and I think

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:53.399
<v Speaker 2>it might hurt him.

0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I disagree. Wow, I disagree, And here's why I disagree.

0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:02.080
<v Speaker 1>You were right to point out that the defense took

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>a significant step back, but you're also slightly blind to

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it took a huge step forward in

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>year one under Jeff Brahm. I remember a lot of

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>upperclassmen there alright, a lot of upperclassmen. But when he

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>took over. I remember looking at Purdue in advance of

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess what the twenty seventeen season, and you and

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I talked to each other, like, this defense is gonna

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>be an issue. Rough, this is gonna be a problem

0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 1>for the boy had done a good job going in.

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and lo and behold. The defense ended up sort

0:41:36.120 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of being the talk of that team. Now last season,

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>not so much. They dropped pretty significantly. If you look

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>at what Purdue did on offense over that two year span,

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.279
<v Speaker 1>it was sort of the opposite first year not so

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.320
<v Speaker 1>good down in like the nineties. I want to say,

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>in terms of how many points they're putting up per game.

0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Last year took a pretty significant step forward up intol

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like the fifties. They were in the top half of

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>college football. So I think what I'm trying to say

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>is that this is a guy who could coach now,

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a while to try and assemble

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the pieces. He's only been there two years. He needs

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to get his guys in there. He needs to establish

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>a culture, needs to establish a system, needs to get

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 1>some of those things he has at this point. He

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 1>has need to get those underclass been programmed accordingly to

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>do what he wants them to do. But look, he's

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 1>already going to be making a lot of money. It

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>depends on your definition of maximizing your value. I think

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>if he can get things going in a good direction,

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 1>all the ships rowing in the same direction at Purdue

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and at least make them plucky, which he seemingly has done,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 1>that in and of itself will make him marketable. We

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 1>have already wanted him after just like two seasons out.

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 2>They had a connection to him. They had a connection.

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>They had a connection. But they are not the only

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>school that was interested in Jeff Brohm. I can assure you,

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and moving forward, they will not be the last. So

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I am not worried at all about Jeff Brohm's marketability.

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 1>He is at some point going to cash in in

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:10.799
<v Speaker 1>a very big way. He is one of the few

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 1>up and coming coaches who can bide his time at Purdue,

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.359
<v Speaker 1>wait for the right job to come along, and then

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>cash in at a later day. I don't think this

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>hurts him at all. I think it's good for college football.

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>It's certainly good for the Big Ten. That he decided

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.919
<v Speaker 1>to stick around at Purdue. He's going to be just fine.

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So the phrasing I always like though, is at a

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 2>certain point, can he just go six and six every

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>year and maintain the market value that he currently has.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Cliff Kingsbury is now the head football coach at Arizona.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I get that, But he can point to specific quarterbacks

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 2>that he helped to develop that I don't think.

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 1>The Arizona Cardinals, not the University of Arizona.

0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I get you. I think that's more of a reflection

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 2>on the Arizona Cardinals than it is the general model.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Also be true. I would just be worried that if

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>he goes six and six, five and seven, seven and

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 2>five in perpetuity, next two, three, four years in perpetuity

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 2>obviously means forever. So I miss using that word. I

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.280
<v Speaker 2>just I think it's going to I think his attraction

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>is going to plateau.

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Well that's look, it's certainly possible. But you and I

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>both know there are plenty of coaches around college football

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>who develop a reputation as being a forward thinker, or

0:44:26.680 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>an up and comer, or you name it. Manny Diaz

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>could be one of those, by the way, and certainly

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>they remain marketable, perhaps longer than they should be. Now,

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to want Manny Diaz quite into that,

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 1>but you get my point here. I think Jeff Brohm's

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be fine. I think he is viewed by

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 1>enough people as an up and comer, a bright young

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>college football mind. He will remain marketable for a good

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>long time. This isn't going to hurt him even if

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Perdue Bottom's out, which I don't think they will, because

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>he's a good coach. He's going to.

0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Be just fine. I would like to point out that

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.800
<v Speaker 2>the twenty eighteen per Due boiler Makers gave up twenty

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>three points to the Michigan State offense.

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, let's.

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Move on with their backup quarterback.

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's move on. I want to get your take on

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>something here. Now. I had written another PAC twelve ish question,

0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 1>but you put something here that I think is an

0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>interesting topic for discussion. Yeah, are we pumping the brakes?

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Are we not pumping the brakes? Did the PAC twelve

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>do the right thing by not taking ESPN's offer to distribute?

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Now you're gonna have to network in the lactic game. Yeah,

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to explain for the for ballerhood here

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>what exactly transpired.

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:47.439
<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty straightforward. The PAC twelve has been big

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.799
<v Speaker 2>on owning itself outright, and that includes you know, they

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 2>have these deals with Fox and ESPN to show games,

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.320
<v Speaker 2>but they own the PAC twelve network outright. They like

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the ownership element of the network, and I understand that

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>in general, big picture, you want to own everything you

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>possibly can. You have more control, you make more money

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>if it's successful, et cetera, et cetera. The problem with

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the PAC twelve is, as we've talked about many times

0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 2>here before, there are certain built in disadvantages that the

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve have, be it schools without long term traditional

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 2>success or the fact that it's on West coast child schools,

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 2>or most of its schools are on West Coast times,

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.920
<v Speaker 2>so some of the bigger games are into the night,

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 2>and not a lot of people on the East coast

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 2>or southeast, you know, central time are able to see

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 2>all this big action, and they haven't had teams in

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 2>the playoffs. They've been close since, you know, they've had Washington,

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 2>they've had Oregon, but they haven't had major, major success since.

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I suppose both Chip Kelly's run at Oregon and Pete

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Carroll at USC with this nice little Washington blip, but

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily on a national level. So the PAC twelve

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 2>is struggling with branding. The PAC twelve is struggling with,

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, garnering attention for some of its better stories,

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>some of its more interesting team, some of its more

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 2>interesting coaches, and not that you're buried on the PAC

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 2>twelve network, because plenty of people can see the PAC

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 2>twelve network. I think that's a little bit overstated, a

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 2>little overwrought. But I think the PAC twelve has a

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:20.560
<v Speaker 2>perception issue that can be overcome with some more thoughtful

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>exposure that they are not necessarily willing to buy into.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And ESPN made them an offer to help distribute the

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve network because ESPN has leverage with cable and

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 2>satellite providers in exchange for extending ESPN's existing deal with

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:41.319
<v Speaker 2>the PAC twelve, presumably at probably a sweetheart rate for

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:46.040
<v Speaker 2>ESPN in exchange. So yes, I understand the PAC twelve

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 2>wants to make the best deal for itself. But again,

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm at a certain point kind of talker and thinker,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 2>right or wrong. At a certain point, when does the

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve say, yeah, we could need we could use

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a hand, right that doesn't involve private equity investing money,

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So the PAC twelve can still maintain whatever level of

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 2>control they want. And as somebody who loves and adores

0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve football, I really wish and you know, let's

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>say ESPN comes in and they say, okay, we're going

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to create like a hard knock style show showcasing chip

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Kell and UCLA or Justin Wilcox and cal will put

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.760
<v Speaker 2>it on ESPN. Plut like they're doing things to raise

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the profile of certain things or well, you know, attach

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>cameras to ASU and herm Edwards And now I guess

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>what's his name the Bengals coach that just joined up,

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Marvin Marvin Lesis Marvin Lewis. I can't keep track that

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>they were willing to do things to go above and

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 2>beyond to help with the brand of the PAC twelve,

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 2>and the conference just said thanks, but no thanks, And

0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the conventional wisdom is that the PAC

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 2>twelve did the right thing. But I just like to

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.200
<v Speaker 2>revisit it and say, what are we doing? Well, here's doing?

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Come on, here's what's interesting about As.

0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>The s CHN is preparing to launch the ACC network, right,

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>here's what's interesting about this. On this show last year,

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>we also had a question about the PAC twelve, and

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:20.320
<v Speaker 1>that question was does the PAC twelve know what it's doing? Essentially,

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>are we sure that the PAC twelve knows what it's

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 1>doing that has somebody in charge? Again, we're asking a question,

0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a business question, about how the PAC twelve is conducting

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>its distribution. I don't really have a problem with this.

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't, and it's for a couple of reasons. First off, granted,

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the media landscape is changing, but it's sort of an

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.600
<v Speaker 1>open secret that live sports are very marketable and they

0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.400
<v Speaker 1>tend to retain their value. So even if you don't

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 1>cash in from ESPN now in five years, when the

0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>current deal with Fox and ESPN expires in twenty twenty four,

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>what's to say that ESPN isn't going to come back

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and also try to try to get their hands on

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the PAC twelve, then I think ESPN would still probably

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 1>be in the bidding. I'm not a business guy, but

0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it stands to reason that if they were interested now

0:50:12.280 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 1>they're probably going to be interested.

0:50:13.560 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Then can I throw something out as well?

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Sure?

0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I have a theory that we are in a streaming bubble, okay,

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 2>that that streaming has gotten to the point where okay,

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:32.320
<v Speaker 2>you're subscribing to Hulu and Netflix and whatever. What's Disney Plus,

0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that's what's coming soon, and Warner Brothers is going to

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 2>do a thing, and you have Amazon, you have you

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>have all of these different entities, and ESPN is ESPN Plus,

0:50:43.440 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and Fox says, I don't know if it's Fox Sports

0:50:45.080 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 2>go still or just Fox Sports. You have all of

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 2>these different entities that you need to shuffle between, and

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:53.799
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like, hey, if we could have, even with

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.799
<v Speaker 2>how evil all of them are, if we could have

0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.240
<v Speaker 2>one overarching system to watch everything we wanted to watch,

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>say with a cable hooked up to you like a bundle,

0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:09.400
<v Speaker 2>like some sort of bundle, that might work out well.

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:15.839
<v Speaker 2>And I just think getting in well with cable companies

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>who have the distribution modeled down pat and not saying well,

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:23.479
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna put our games on YouTube and everybody's gonna

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 2>watch it, because that's how everybody's gonna be watching TV

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.640
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three. I'm pumping the brakes on that thought.

0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:32.400
<v Speaker 1>How about that, Well, that that's fair and we could

0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 1>take that offline. Yeah, if you'd like to talk more about.

0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're a YouTube TV subscriber and I have

0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 2>because of Jody with and I I don't know I've

0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>reconnected the cord because when she was on maternity leave,

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 2>She's like, no, I'm not dealing with any of that crap, right,

0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:48.360
<v Speaker 2>give me, give me channels.

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>And that's all fair. I just I don't think that

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole lot that could happen between now and

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>five years from now that's gonna make the packful of

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>any less valuable. I don't necessarily disagree with the fact

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that we're in a bit of a streaming bubble. I

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>also think that it's somewhat wise to wait around and

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 1>at least explore other options, not take the first deal.

0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>In this respect, can.

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I tell you what I think might make the PAC

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>twelve less valuable by twenty twenty four?

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Sick?

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Was it?

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Five six straight years nineteen twenty one, two, three, four,

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 2>six straight years of every team going somewhere between four

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.120
<v Speaker 2>and eight and ten and two okay, and not appearing

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>in the playoff, not showing out well in huge games

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 2>in early September or in early January, and not necessarily

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:39.040
<v Speaker 2>having big time systems or coaches or huge national wins

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 2>year over year over year. I think that could diminish

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>the value of the PAC twelve.

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see, we'll see. I am skeptical that there's

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot that could happen that would make live

0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>sports rights, at least in that sense, less valuable. And

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't really have a problem with it. The PAC

0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.800
<v Speaker 1>twelve has been poorly run. We've had a lot of

0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>question before. Yeah, it's been poorly run. At this point,

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you've already got a deal. It's not like your games

0:53:07.239 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 1>won't be distributed. Why not wait a year or two,

0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>see what your options are, see if there's anything new

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>that develops. I think that's okay. Pump me some breaks? Yeah, okay,

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>fair enough, Daniel.

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you want to finish with one big one?

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:24.520
<v Speaker 2>You want a couple more? What do you want to do?

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Are we pumping the breaks? Uh?

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:34.959
<v Speaker 1>On Clemson being a dynasty with no end in sight.

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, lot to unpack, A.

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Lot to unpack here, So I did a show. I

0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>did a show. Gosh, I guess it was some at

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:47.959
<v Speaker 1>some point in December. Maybe it was before the National

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Championship game, before the playoffs with our friend Larry Williams

0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:57.320
<v Speaker 1>from Tiger Illustrated, like the foremost authority on Clemson football

0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.359
<v Speaker 1>all three of his books here on my bookshelf, an

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 1>incredible resource, knows everything about Clemson football. He is impossibly

0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.920
<v Speaker 1>bullish on the Clemson football program moving forward. It is

0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:12.840
<v Speaker 1>certainly buoyed by the fact that they've got all world everything.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence as their starting quarterback, had an incredible true

0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:20.240
<v Speaker 1>freshman campaign. DJ Yuia Galle Yeah, I mean they're putting

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>together maybe the best recruiting class of all time is

0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:27.280
<v Speaker 1>coming recruiting cycle. So Clemson is in a very good spot.

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.480
<v Speaker 1>It's clearly a program that has reached critical mass. Larry's

0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:32.720
<v Speaker 1>high on them. I don't think there's any college football

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>fan out there who isn't high on Clemson as well.

0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 1>This is not a program that is going to experience

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 1>any kind of dip anytimes They're not going to dip

0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:41.800
<v Speaker 1>down eight and four. It's just not going to happen.

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't see any chance of that. Hard that's happening, right,

0:54:45.640 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>But when you start talking about a dynasty, a dynasty's

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:53.720
<v Speaker 1>a different word. Over the next five years, the future

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>looks very bright for Clemson.

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>They've won two and three, right.

0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, two and three. But over the next ten years,

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>where will Dablosweeney have this program? Is it a dynasty

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>with no end in sight? The way Alabama has seemingly

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.000
<v Speaker 1>been a dynasty with no end insight? Yean right?

0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>So well? I mean USC won a couple in three

0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 2>years early on in Pete Carroll's tenure, much to the

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 2>chagrin I guess still of LSU fans, and that lasted

0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a long time, USC being really good, but they weren't

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 2>appearing in national championships the back half of you know,

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 2>after the Oklahoma game and after the Texas game. Then

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>did they appear in a national championship or in that

0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:40.759
<v Speaker 2>national championship conversation, they were Rose Bowl good year over year,

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:42.920
<v Speaker 2>but they slowed down, and a lot of that had

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 2>to do with attrition, and then of course Pete Carroll leaves.

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, what is the specific thing that could

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 2>slow this momentum. Yeah, Brent Venables seems like he's very

0:55:56.200 --> 0:56:00.399
<v Speaker 2>happy there. I still think he'll eventually leave, but he's

0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>waiting for the perfect job. Probably maybe I'm wrong. I'm wrong,

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 2>certainly often enough, I'm the surest thing in college football picking.

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 2>But the only real thing I could see that could

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:15.120
<v Speaker 2>transform Clemson from eleven to one, twelve to zero into

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 2>nine and three, ten and two is attrition among coaches.

0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Dabo flirting with an NFL job or something like that.

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't fully see that right now, and just making

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:31.239
<v Speaker 2>a dut of a hire and having and this is

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 2>any program like two quarterback duds in a row, recruiting wise,

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 2>just misevaluation, didn't work out because of injury, system whatever.

0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 2>This is not really a hypothetic. It's a hypothetical. Does

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>this dynasty continue given if the talent is, you know,

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 2>still coming at this pace and developing at this pace.

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.279
<v Speaker 2>The position coaches are the same, offensive staff is the same,

0:56:56.320 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 2>defensive staff is the same except for one guy. Is

0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Clemson a national title contender in twenty nineteen like they

0:57:04.320 --> 0:57:07.760
<v Speaker 2>are right now? If you replaced Brent Venables with Brian

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 2>van Gorder. I ask you this, I, well, because that's

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:19.440
<v Speaker 2>what it is. It's going to be a like and

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 2>that's sort of what happened with Auburn after they won

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 2>the national championship. Just a couple of dud hires and

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 2>take it easy. Gene chiswick right.

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I When I did the show with Larry I asked

0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 1>him pretty much the same question, what would it take

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.720
<v Speaker 1>to slow down this momentum? And it's not an easy answer,

0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>of course. It's it's all a bunch of hypotheticals. You

0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>could have a team that doesn't come together, you know,

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 1>the bad chemistry.

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 2>That's all hypotheticals, but it's really not it's really like,

0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that's what happens when this is what seems slow down.

0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:54.600
<v Speaker 2>It's just replacing either players or coaches with misevaluated personnel.

0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>It's something doesn't mesh. You could have bad chemistry among players,

0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 1>among coaches. You could have a guy like a Venables leaving.

0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:04.280
<v Speaker 1>Certainly if Dabbo leaves, that could that could have a

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.080
<v Speaker 1>downstream effect as well. But there's no easy answer. He

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't really have a good answer. I think you look

0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.680
<v Speaker 1>at the talent coming in, it's hard to see a

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>situation like that taking shape anytime in the near future.

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>But to your question specifically, Brian Van gordersteps in the

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:24.080
<v Speaker 1>schedule to me, is still easy enough that they could

0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>get by even if they're not winning the national champions

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:30.080
<v Speaker 1>They're getting to the playoff game. They've still got a

0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 1>ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball.

0:58:32.080 --> 0:58:34.480
<v Speaker 1>This has got Trevor Lawrence in the short term in

0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, absolutely still a playoff, still a title content

0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>with BVG. Absolutely absolutely. Now they might get to the

0:58:44.120 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>playoff and give up forty points, but are they getting

0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to that playoff game? Sure? Absolutely, Look at the rest

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of the ACC, I think they're fine.

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:56.480
<v Speaker 2>How many teams in the ACC need to be legitimately good,

0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 2>legitimately eight nine win threats before you look at the

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>conference and say, wow, this is now a deep enough

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>ACC that I am legitimately worried about Clemson losing twice

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 2>or three times and not even maybe still making the

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.160
<v Speaker 2>a SEC Championship, but not penciling them in like they

0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:18.040
<v Speaker 2>are now, Like who is the team? So we know

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Florida State has a capability, we know Miami have the

0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 2>capability just because of talent availability, And I just recent history,

0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, says that these could be double digit winning teams.

0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And Florida State's won a recent national championship. That's not

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a huge stretch. Who is the team that, like, okay,

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 2>we're now down to If Virginia Tech is year over

0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:42.280
<v Speaker 2>year nine and three, is it Louisville in their own division?

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.600
<v Speaker 2>If Scott Saderfield gets the Cardinals to a point where

0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:47.080
<v Speaker 2>they're nine and three every year with a lights out

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:50.120
<v Speaker 2>defense like they've had under him at app State, are

0:59:50.160 --> 0:59:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you suddenly saying okay now that Clemson, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville,

0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Miami are all maybe even pitt are all eight ish

1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:05.760
<v Speaker 2>win threats. I don't think Clemson has an easy road anymore.

1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you need more teams than that? Fewer teams?

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, they had like ten bowl teams this past I.

1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Don't care about that. They know, but legit like eight

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:18.600
<v Speaker 2>they play eight conference games. It's not the hardest thing

1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to get.

1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:26.520
<v Speaker 1>It's got to be at least who needs to be good?

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:34.320
<v Speaker 2>What is this specific? I think it's Louisville, Louisville, Yeah, Louisville,

1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Georgia Tech maybe yeah, potentially, Yeah, they have a high

1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.439
<v Speaker 2>talent ceiling being where they are. Yeah, if it gets

1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:46.520
<v Speaker 2>all the way down to Georgia Tech, the most obvious

1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 2>improvers are Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville. So if

1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:54.439
<v Speaker 2>it gets down to Georgia Tech improving to eight nine

1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 2>wins a year, yeah, yeah, I could see that, all right,

1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:02.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's we're years from your situation in the ACC.

1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not pumping the brakes on now. I don't think

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I am either the Clemson dynasty. Let's close out with

1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:13.080
<v Speaker 1>this one. Okay, okay, it's a bigger picture thing. I

1:01:13.160 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 1>already know we disagree. It'll be a fun conversation to

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<v Speaker 1>close out the show with. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you pumping the brakes on the college football playoff

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<v Speaker 1>as a good thing or just pumping the breaks on

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<v Speaker 1>a college football playoff? Are you pumping the breaks in

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<v Speaker 1>the collegeotball playoffs? Yeah? You are. I am not explain

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<v Speaker 1>your point. I will explain mine.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels forced at this point, feels whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your point. Well, that's the opening salvo of my point.

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<v Speaker 1>We went eons with a bowl system. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially a beauty pageant and you're telling me a

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<v Speaker 1>playoff system is forced. Ty, Did you ever have a

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<v Speaker 1>crush on on a young lady when you were in

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<v Speaker 1>elementary school or middle young last high school?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure you did. Sure I did as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have a specific story about this, but

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<v Speaker 2>I have a friend who has a specific story who

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<v Speaker 2>pined after a young lady for years and years and

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<v Speaker 2>just consumed all on the healthy level. He was not

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in trees or anything like that, and eventually in

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<v Speaker 2>high school he took her to a dance, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the culmination. Oh my god, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>we are final, Like this is my dream, It's being realized.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wanting this for so many years. And then

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<v Speaker 2>it was just disappointing. Okay, it was just disappointing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have reached the point where it whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Kimmel singing trying to get people interested in New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's Eve, I am reaching the point where we are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the same games and we're seeing the same teams

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<v Speaker 2>and we're supposed to talk about the sport as if

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<v Speaker 2>that's not going to happen in perpetuity. Where it is

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<v Speaker 2>just becoming tiring. And I just and we've talked about that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not me breaking any new ground on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want Week ten. I am just the playoff

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<v Speaker 2>is just not getting me hot and bottle wow. First off, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>I want the Rose Bowl. Maybe it's because I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>dad now and I am just feeling old fashioned and dadish.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were. You were of this mind long before

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<v Speaker 1>you were a father.

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<v Speaker 2>That is true. First wheels returning, First off.

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you? How dare you be smirched the good

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<v Speaker 1>name of this song? I know you know I have

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<v Speaker 1>this at already at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just you have when you have to start employing

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<v Speaker 2>a PR firm, and not my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on what your objective is for a college

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<v Speaker 1>football season as a fan of a team, as the

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<v Speaker 1>fan of a sport. This is where we differ you

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, and I will never ever be on

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<v Speaker 1>the same page as you. Okay, you believe that you

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<v Speaker 1>can go to a bowl game. You believe that some

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<v Speaker 1>of our good friends in sports media can vote on

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<v Speaker 1>who their favorite is, and even if you're not the

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<v Speaker 1>national champion, that's still good enough. It was a good year.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good run. He had a great bowl experience,

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<v Speaker 1>a great regular season. Let's move on to the next year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at be realistic. You're fine with that. I am not.

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<v Speaker 2>I only what nine to three and winning the Alamo

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl great.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are going to play, why not play to win?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not play to win the whole friggin thing? Who

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<v Speaker 1>cares about the Alamo Bowl?

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<v Speaker 2>I care, and the fine people along the river walk

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<v Speaker 2>would like to have a word. I am not huffy

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<v Speaker 2>taco enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not of this mindset that everyone should get

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<v Speaker 1>the ribbon and be happy with it. I want the trophy,

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<v Speaker 1>Give me the trophy. I don't think it's fair to

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<v Speaker 1>start with.

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<v Speaker 2>The playoff touchdown. Ty start start easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's school. I don't think it's cool

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<v Speaker 1>that places like UCF don't get a realistic chance to

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<v Speaker 1>play for the crown. They play a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>same teams, but they can't play for the crown. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you're going to be in that a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're going to be an FBS,

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<v Speaker 1>they should find some way to give everyone a realistic

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<v Speaker 1>chance to win that one big prize.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is one big Prize baseball coach for five years.

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<v Speaker 1>A high school baseball coach once said it was the

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<v Speaker 1>only smart thing he ever said. Only one team should

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<v Speaker 1>go home happy at the end of the year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I subscribe to that. That's the way all pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of the speak.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a different setup high school baseball and college football.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have apples apples one team. One team is

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<v Speaker 2>your champion. That's what we should be playing four.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the fact that old school college football

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<v Speaker 1>was like figure skating. We left it in the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of judges.

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<v Speaker 2>It's content.

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<v Speaker 1>I want his content. We are in a content business.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>As a fan, though, I want to see it happen

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<v Speaker 1>on the field. I want it to be determined on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. If you are champion, I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>earn it. I don't want it to be voted upon

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<v Speaker 1>earn it.

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<v Speaker 2>If Alabama and Clemson trade off national championships the next

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<v Speaker 2>five years, will you feel the same way?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Really absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see myself softening on the stance if we

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<v Speaker 2>get like Penn State, Texas Tech. Uh. I won't say Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll say an interesting Pac twelve team I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Utah is out of nowhere with Andy Ludwig, a team

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<v Speaker 2>with an amazing offense, and Miami this year wild roller

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<v Speaker 2>coaster of Butmani Diaz opening year and we get those

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the playoff also, I definitely will soften.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you, let me ask you this, then, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me spin it back around on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Your question is if it's the same teams in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Championship, will I feel differently? What if it were

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<v Speaker 1>the same situation but we still had the old school

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<v Speaker 1>bowl system. I'm not talking BCS, but I'm talking old

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<v Speaker 1>school bowl system. Let's say both Alabama and Clemson remain dominant.

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<v Speaker 1>They're locked into whatever bowl game they're going to, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>bowl agreement their conference has, and they're just playing different

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<v Speaker 1>teams year and in year out. We are still having

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<v Speaker 1>this debate about which one is better. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's fair? Both are presumably in the midst of great

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<v Speaker 1>dynasties in a college football sense. Yeah, and instead of

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<v Speaker 1>them playing it out on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they might play it out at the Orange Bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we have an sec ACC game.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Maybe we don't, though, Maybe we're back in

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<v Speaker 1>this old school dilemma of arguing it out who should

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<v Speaker 1>be the best team, who should be determined as a

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<v Speaker 1>number one team? You're cool. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want everybody to be a national champion. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fine with it, I really am. I want January one,

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<v Speaker 2>I want like twelve enormous bowl games, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to have to sort it out on this show for

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<v Speaker 2>the next eight months.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be good content. I'm fine with the content

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<v Speaker 1>element of this, but as a fan, as a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree. I want to see it on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>As it stands now, we have one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six teams who are supposed to feel disappointed at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year because they didn't make the playoff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the wrong way of looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, I don't know. I am right

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<v Speaker 1>in tweet us solid verbogmail dot com is the email

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<v Speaker 1>we're on. We're gonna get like fifty thousand messages about this, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we are. We've done it before. It's gonna happen again.

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<v Speaker 2>Ty, here's my final question about this topic. What if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about the trophy but the friends we've made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. What if I told you I just want

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<v Speaker 2>I want more days with multiple football games, and this

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<v Speaker 2>limits things in a way that I don't love what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm selfishly looking at this from both a content and

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<v Speaker 2>from a day's worth of enjoyment perspective. Ever, the businessman,

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<v Speaker 2>because mine's just a TV event. If you want the

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<v Speaker 2>one true champion, go to sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fine with that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Do it, go to sixteen, go to college campuses. We

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<v Speaker 2>can have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>My dogument Dan is that when you pick four teams,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a better chance of picking the one true champion.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine too. I just don't care about the one

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<v Speaker 2>true champion, and that could be Oregon, and I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have and I've said this to people, Ty,

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<v Speaker 2>this is how serious I feel about it. I'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>have three seasons of Oregon winning Rose Bowls with an

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<v Speaker 2>exciting offense, you know, beating Wisconsin, beating Michigan, beating whoever,

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan State, you name it, big ten team.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather have three years of that than one season

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<v Speaker 2>of Oregon putting it together and winning a national championship

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<v Speaker 2>and having to deal with the expectations and what the

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<v Speaker 2>program will have to go through as suddenly a national

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<v Speaker 2>championship program. I'd rather have the Rose Bull crowns than

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<v Speaker 2>the National Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather listen to a podcast with terrible audio

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<v Speaker 1>quality recorded entirely with blue yetties or usage of blue

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<v Speaker 1>yetties because some people do it right you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Would you rather watch I don't know what show

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<v Speaker 2>is only okay? Would you rather watch all of the

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<v Speaker 2>seasons of Alias in eight k or watch the Wire

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<v Speaker 2>in four y three?

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<v Speaker 1>They only shot the wire in four by three? That

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<v Speaker 1>was okay, four K?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we're still talking about the wire or not? Fine,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Wire but something else recently that's that's been excellent,

1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Veep or Barry or any of those shows, Silicon Valley,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know whatever. I'm just naming HBO shows at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. Brooklyn nine nine, I love all sorts of

1:11:11.120 --> 1:11:16.600
<v Speaker 2>shows four by three not a great picture, occasional lines

1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:22.280
<v Speaker 2>adjusting things, or just what was what was the show

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<v Speaker 2>after loss? That was like a lost rip off that

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to do. There's a show on right now

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<v Speaker 2>where a plane disappeared for five years on ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>And Mike Tarico and Doug Flutie were talking it up

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<v Speaker 1>during the noted in game.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is in Manka eleven by one, Dolby whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>just the most immersive futuristic experience. You get to watch that,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to watch the Blacklist with that, or you

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<v Speaker 2>get to watch Sopranos the Wires.

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<v Speaker 1>Conversations over Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Four by three exactly, ty exactly, conversation's over. My gavel

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<v Speaker 2>has been banged.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say start slow, all right, score a touchdown in

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<v Speaker 2>the playoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, please, everyone out there listening, we encourage you as

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<v Speaker 1>sure of it. Chime in. Feel free to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>some other stuff or always are ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put them out pretty soon, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll be working on all sorts of cool

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<v Speaker 1>things here over the next few weeks as we really

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<v Speaker 1>be a due experience. Yes, or you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>applies to everybody. It's not just man who can be dude,

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<v Speaker 1>It's be a dude. Daniel, that's all I got, That's

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<v Speaker 1>all I have for that guy over there. My good friend,

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<v Speaker 1>still my good friend, even after that discussion. Dan Rolstine

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<v Speaker 1>for myself, Tie Hilton Brand in rainy eastern Pennsylvania, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>again for joining us on the show. Enjoy the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your week, All of your weekend and until next time,

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<v Speaker 1>stay solid, peace in