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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: I'll that for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith State.

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty hilden Brandt joining me over there in

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Speaker 1: b e a Utvil, New York City. My man Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 2: Fresh off of putting the solid baby into the bath?

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, he is now out of the bath and

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Speaker 2: with Jody with and I. But I feel refreshed myself,

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Speaker 2: even though it was just it was just external for me.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we should we should point this out here, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: please tell the kind folks listening wherever they are, Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh about your bath setup for the little man.

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Speaker 2: The bath set up. Oh it is patriotly related. I guess, good,

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Speaker 2: good transition. So I am just learning all of these

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Speaker 2: things as a very stupid new father. But you just

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Speaker 2: pour water over them when they're in the bathtub, and

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Speaker 2: like the contraption that holds them in place. And I

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Speaker 2: am using the Lee high cup that I purchased I

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Speaker 2: think the morning of your wedding that I used for

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Speaker 2: many years to drink my cold brew and iced coffee

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Speaker 2: is now I guess the solid baby taking very Patriot

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Speaker 2: League back.

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Speaker 1: It is the Patriot League circle of life.

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Speaker 2: It is and it does get wet. Yeah, there are

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Speaker 2: there's lots of skin and it's a it's a Patriot

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. We've been doing Q and

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Speaker 1: A shows the last three weeks. So the first time

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Speaker 1: of role playing Ben too wonderful. And then last week

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Speaker 1: we had questions from the verboler hood out there today, Well,

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Speaker 1: some parent text for where we're headed with this. Last

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Speaker 1: the first week of June. If I recall we called it,

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Speaker 1: Are we sure that dot dot dot? And the whole

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Speaker 1: if for sure it is something that we are sure

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Speaker 1: of or not. Now, the show last year was titled

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Speaker 2: Is it's apparently like a Bill Simmons phrase, And I

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Speaker 2: mean he uses it. He didn't invent it, for sure.

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Speaker 1: There are other people who have used that.

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Speaker 2: And we can. Yeah, you probably are PhD level with

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Speaker 2: your corporate lingo.

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Speaker 2: What was the one you told me yesterday? Blocking and tackling,

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Speaker 2: to brass tacks, like, I don't where are we going.

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Speaker 1: Here is what we are doing this evening again to rehash.

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Speaker 2: As the college football scientists we are. Isn't it true

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Speaker 2: That's what we're doing here today as college football scientists.

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Speaker 1: On the idea that Manny diaz Oh was the right

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Speaker 2: That might go number one overall fantasy things wise, Miami

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Speaker 2: losing swagger. If you are Ty Kuiper, Junior or Ty McShay.

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Speaker 2: of trying to recapture the swag. It might be more

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Speaker 2: We'll put it on Twitter. Our dear, dear friend Bruce

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Speaker 2: you could argue that Miami has been swagless more often

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Speaker 1: about this. He can tailor an offensive system that will

435
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Speaker 1: work for Jalen Hurts and will emphasize what he does well.

436
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Speaker 1: My bigger question about Oklahoma is what Alex Grinch does

437
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. That's not the question here right

438
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Speaker 1: as we move forward now into preview season, That's the

439
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: question I'm going to be asking more. I'm going to

440
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: ask about that offensive line, sure, but my first question

441
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,479
Speaker 1: is whether or not Alex Grinch can bring along that

442
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: defense the way he's brought defenses like Washington stayed along

443
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Speaker 1: in the past.

444
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Speaker 2: I think Texas Tech will be a good measuring stick

445
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: at the end of September for Jalen Hurts because that

446
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: defense has come a long way and now I think

447
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: it's being run by the old ASU defensive coordinator Keith Patterson.

448
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: It's come a long way and it is probably okay,

449
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: and that I think will give us He should have

450
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: a good game, not a great game, but he should

451
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: have a good game against Texas Tech. I'm curious to

452
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: see that as a measuring stick because Houston South Dakota

453
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: UCLA you see on the road kind of interesting. The

454
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: defense has been kind of in shambles the last couple

455
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Speaker 2: of years. Those two games UCLA on the road in

456
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, I think will be quite interesting to see

457
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Speaker 2: what the potential bar is for Jalen Hurts. But yeah,

458
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: the Texas game by mid October will be huge.

459
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Speaker 1: That'll be the measuring stick. All right, where do you

460
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Speaker 1: want to go next? Dan, Let's go to Okay. I

461
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: like this one, and I think that there's a lot

462
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Speaker 1: to talk about. An unpack here are we? Can we

463
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: pump brakes? Are we positive? Are we sure that whatever?

464
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Speaker 1: After further consideration, can ed Orzron provide something tangible for

465
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Speaker 1: LSU that less Miles couldn't? Okay, get that sound in there,

466
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

467
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Speaker 2: Please, This is the because LSU fans are very quick too,

468
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Speaker 2: like what what?

469
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Speaker 1: What?

470
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Speaker 2: Huh?

471
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Speaker 1: What?

472
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Speaker 2: No? What? What? No? I like ed Orzron. I like

473
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Speaker 2: ed Oorzron a lot. Near the end of his tenure,

474
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: less Miles was losing three games a year, and he

475
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: had and it was it was doing so in confusing

476
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Speaker 2: manner at times. The late game situations were pretty problematic,

477
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: and that culminated with the Auburn situation. I want to

478
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Speaker 2: say twenty sixteen, then at Oorzron becomes the interim and

479
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people have rallied behind him,

480
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: and they were a ridiculous game away from winning ten

481
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: regular season games last year, that crazy overtimes game against

482
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Speaker 2: Texas A and M So tangibly speaking, right now, Edorzron

483
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 2: is not necessarily getting great passing. It's fine. I don't

484
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: think it's anything demonstrably better or worse than where less

485
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 2: Miles was and inconsistent passing games. He's lost three games

486
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Speaker 2: he has there, I don't think elsus. This is my

487
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: correction from before they've scored a touchdown in Baton Rouge

488
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: against Alabama since twenty fourteen, a single touchdown and that

489
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: was in the first quarter in twenty fourteen, so it's

490
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Speaker 2: been a while. I think it's been eleven quarters if

491
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Speaker 2: my math holds up. So that is worrisome, and so

492
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Speaker 2: tangibly speaking, I think Edorsron needs to take LSU to

493
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Speaker 2: ten regular season wins and until that happens, is is

494
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Speaker 2: he like Barrel chested less, Miles Baryl just In just

495
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 2: in turn terms of bottom line, I understand the organization.

496
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: I understand that coaches may have more confidence in him

497
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: running the program day to day, that he has evolved

498
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: into this very impressive head coach. But when do they

499
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: get their news, Zach Mettenberger. When do they get that

500
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: one year JaMarcus Russell? When do they get above average

501
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: quarterback play at the same time as great defense, great recruiting,

502
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: confidence from the coaching staff, confidence from the administration and boosters.

503
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Speaker 2: Is is there anything else other than ten wins that

504
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Speaker 2: would provide a tangible improvement light shining on at oriz Ron.

505
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Speaker 2: That is such a good question, Dan, And here's the

506
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: sub question, Ty, and you can answer that one first,

507
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Speaker 2: But what is the biggest perception change with one win?

508
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: Like is it going from five and seven to six

509
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Speaker 2: and six? You're like, oh my god, this is a

510
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: totally new improved team because all of a sudden they're

511
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 2: going to the minu Key car Care Bowl. Or is

512
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: it going from nine to ten? Is it going from

513
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: eleven to twelve, which obviously undefeated before a potential conference championship.

514
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Is it going from seven barely Bowl eligible to eight comfortable.

515
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: Where to you is the biggest perception shift with one win?

516
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Speaker 2: So I answered the first question first, and then the second.

517
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Speaker 1: Okay, so first things first, I'm gonna talk about something

518
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: that took me by surprise a year ago, and that

519
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: was Joe Burrow. Now, when Edward Jeran took over at LSU,

520
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: I remember distinctly you and I talking about the perception

521
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: problem that we had with LSU, and it was that

522
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: the offense hadn't matured or hadn't evolved to a point

523
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: where it was good enough to get to the heights

524
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Speaker 1: that lc fans wanted it to get to. Right, they

525
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: brought in Joe Burrow. Now, I'm not saying Joe Burrow

526
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Speaker 1: is Peyton Manning. I'm not even saying Joe Burrow is

527
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Cooper Cooper Manning, Cooper Manning. Okay, but Joe Burrow was

528
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: pretty good. And the stats, it's fine. The stats aren't

529
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Speaker 1: reflective of how big he came up in some really

530
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: key spots throughout the course of this LSU season.

531
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Speaker 2: LSU finished, and this is a metric. I think we

532
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: both like thirty fourth nationally in offensive points per drive.

533
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Speaker 2: So that's a pace adjusted stat that's pretty.

534
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Speaker 1: Good, So that's an improvement. I think the fact that

535
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: they've got him back now that will help solidify the

536
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: offense hopefully move it forward. But that's that's the biggest

537
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: issue I have fifty the year before I had let's say,

538
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Speaker 1: with LSU under ed Orgeron, can he give them something

539
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: tangible that Les Miles did. Now, if you are using

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Speaker 1: one win to get to ten regular season wins as

541
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Speaker 1: your bottom line barometer, it's been a while. It's been

542
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Speaker 1: since twenty twelve since LSU won ten games in the

543
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Speaker 1: regular season, I think it helps to get to double

544
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: digit wins in the regular season, no doubt. I also

545
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: don't think that that's the proper measuring stick. I think

546
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: the SEC West constantly measures itself against Alabama constantly.

547
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: That's the unfortunate thing.

548
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: That's the unfortunate thing. If ed Orgeron is winning ten

549
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: games almost anywhere else, he's a saint. The problem is

550
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: that they're in the same conference, in the same side

551
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: of the same conference as the Alabama Crimson tied and oh,

552
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: by the way, pretty much every other team on that

553
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: side of the conference has also gotten a lot better.

554
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: They've also found ways to upgrade their program I'm looking

555
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: at U Texas A and M. I don't know if

556
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: that ten win mark means as much as it used to,

557
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate for Ordron. He has steadied the ship.

558
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: He's won nine games each of the last two years

559
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: in the regular season. I think that's a good step

560
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: in the right direction. But can he give them something

561
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: tangible that Les Miles didn't. I'm looking at Les miles

562
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: career record right now. Granted he was at LSU a

563
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: long time, but he did win a national championship and

564
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: he lost another.

565
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Speaker 2: What I wonder is and we'll never know, but we've

566
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: seen this in other divisions, other conferences, whether it's you know,

567
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Texas Oklahoma, whether it's you know, Mac Brown is you know,

568
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: the best modern coach Texas has had, and Bob Stoops

569
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: happens to also be the best coach Oklahoma has had

570
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: and it just all happened at the same time. Or

571
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh taking Stanford to these crazy heights, but Chip

572
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: Kelly having Oregon a little bit better. And that's this

573
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: constant thing, although those are much shorter lasting, is what

574
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: does the SEC West look like if Alabama is merely

575
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: great and not all time elite excellent, Like what happens

576
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: if it's just a year over year ten and two

577
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: ish Alabama program, Like it's at a Blake Simms Alabama program,

578
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: all due respect to Blake Simms or Jake Cochery, you

579
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: know those kind of like that's you're not getting top

580
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: top quarterback level and maybe there's defensive lapses like they

581
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: had against you know, it was twenty ten South Carolina

582
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: or or you know something like that Ole miss those

583
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: past couple of years where that just happens a couple

584
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: times a year, and what what is that? How does

585
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: that change the less Miles career arc? How does that

586
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: change things with Kevin Sumlin? How does that change things

587
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: with I mean Dan Mullin was going to leave for

588
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Florida whenever he possibly could leave for Florida, and Hugh

589
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: Freeze has nothing, you know, his departure doesn't really have

590
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: anything to do with Alabama. But how does that change

591
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: things around the SEC? If Alabama is merely oh, they're

592
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: a great program. Well man, we've talked about this before.

593
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: How many teams in the SEC, like pretty much all

594
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: of them have experienced some kind of coaching turnover in

595
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: the span that Saban has been at Alabama, He's driven.

596
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: He's driven the SEC. He's driven all of college football crazy.

597
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to get better than him, and nowhere more

598
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: so than perhaps at LSU, who for so long has

599
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: been that natural rival, at least in the SEC West

600
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: to the Crimson tide. I like ed Orgron. I like

601
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: the fact that I know, I just talked about how

602
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: it's overrated, and it still is overrated. But I like

603
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: the fact that he is sort of like the hometown

604
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: guy that everyone's rooting for. I like the fact that

605
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: he wanted the job more than virtually anyone else. I

606
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: like the fact that we sometimes question how many screws

607
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: he has loose. I like the fact that he brings

608
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: that edge to LSU and there I think the screws

609
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: are tightened, the screws might be tightened, they're still a

610
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: little bit loose. And you always had that component with

611
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: less Miles there, the mad hatter at LSC. There was

612
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: always that edge that made ls very interesting to watch

613
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: from the outside, and I.

614
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: Think people just got tired of it and just like, Okay,

615
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: we get what late late stage less Miles is.

616
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: He needed new material rights. That's what it amounted to

617
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: and perhaps the upgraded version or the different version of

618
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: less Miles can be at Orgeron. Less had a lot

619
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Speaker 1: of good years at LSU. If ed Orgeron can put

620
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: together a better offense, if he can get things going

621
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: in a better direction offensively, I think the talent is there.

622
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: I have confidence that he can build a defense. I

623
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: think he can get LSU back to a point where

624
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: winning ten games is something they can do in the

625
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: regular season. The question for LSU people is can they

626
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: beat Alabama? Can they win the SEC West? Can they

627
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: win the SEC? I don't know the answer to that

628
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: right now. The answer doesn't look like it's a yes.

629
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Speaker 2: Which are you more sympathetic to asterisk wise LSU? And

630
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't even know if ls do. People say this,

631
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: this is me projecting, but well, I mean they're this

632
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: seven overtime, They're like seventeen pulled Hammies away from winning

633
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: that you know, seven overtime game. You know ed Orgron

634
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: was doused in gatorade. They were so confident the game

635
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: was going to end when it did. Or are you

636
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: more confident in using the asterisk? When we just over

637
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: and over made fun of Mike Gundy for saying, well,

638
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: the Central Mission games really a win our records really

639
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: because of the bad hail Mary call. I think I'm

640
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: still giving the edge to more sympathy for LSU because

641
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: Oblo mis State had an opportunity to win that game

642
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: and they didn't LSU. That was like a way out

643
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: of character game that I don't think Texas A and

644
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: M definitively can lay claim to. So I think they're

645
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: they're pretty close to it a ten win team.

646
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: They're very close. They're very close. The question is almost

647
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: unfair to edwors You're on. Can he provide something tangible

648
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: that Les Miles couldn't. Les Miles provided a great deal,

649
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Speaker 1: he won a national championship. Edworgs are on, though, I

650
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: think can get them back to that level, which is encouraging.

651
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: If I gave you odds right now of double digit

652
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: points scored by LSU against Alabama.

653
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: No, I don't want it.

654
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Speaker 2: If I might give you plus two point fifty two.

655
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Speaker 1: And a half to one, no I need more.

656
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: If I gave you plus four hundred, I would take

657
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: four to one. Four to one odds of LSU getting

658
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Speaker 2: into double digits after being shut out two of the

659
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Speaker 2: last three years.

660
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Okay, double digits is ten points. I would take four

661
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Speaker 1: to one. I'm not sure about two and a half.

662
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what is your next break, Pumper?

663
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Speaker 1: Well, I have a very important question, and that is

664
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Speaker 1: how often do you think about your socks every single day?

665
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Speaker 1: We've been talking about it forever on the show.

666
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Speaker 2: I'm mister no show now. By the way, Oh really,

667
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: that's how I live with pants without pants? Yep?

668
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Speaker 1: Is that a dad moved in?

669
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a dad move. It might

670
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Speaker 2: be more of a I like to wear pants to

671
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Speaker 2: the office space I go to, but I don't care

672
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Speaker 2: if anybody sees my ankles or my shins.

673
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

674
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Speaker 2: I want it to breathe as we enter into summer.

675
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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm doing.

676
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Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking about the merits.

677
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Speaker 2: I don't cuff yet, if that's what you're asking.

678
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. Thank you. Okay, thank you for clarifying.

679
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Speaker 2: I'm not ruling it out, but I do not do

680
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: it yet.

681
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: We've been talking about socks forever. The value of having

682
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: draw comfortable feet all throughout the day. The best way

683
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Speaker 1: to accomplish just that is by looking up our good

684
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Speaker 1: friends over at Bombas. Bombas is how you spell it.

685
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Speaker 1: We've had Bombas socks supporting the solid verbal supporting the feet,

686
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Speaker 1: literally of the solid verbal hosts for eons now. I

687
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Speaker 1: can't even tell you how many years it's been. We

688
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Speaker 1: are not kidding. I've got them on right now, Dan,

689
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Speaker 1: you might I don't know. We were in sandals right now,

690
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Speaker 1: but I do have a story. Continue though we've had

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693
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695
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696
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697
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698
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Speaker 1: wear them to the office. Don't tell my colleagues.

699
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Speaker 2: I think that's cool.

700
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Speaker 1: CIA has a very lax policy. They are what feet

701
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Speaker 1: daydream about. Best of all, with every Bombus purchase, they

702
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Speaker 1: Take our word for it. We do wear them, We

708
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Speaker 1: do appreciate their support. They've been with us forever. We

709
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Speaker 1: know you will like them on your feet as well.

710
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Speaker 2: I think that's right. My only real quick story is

711
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Speaker 2: apparently I left a pair of Bomba snow shows at

712
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Speaker 2: West Coast Kevin's place in Austin when I visited him

713
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Speaker 2: and his family home. He wore them and he is

714
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Speaker 2: now wearing Oh no, he gave them to our mutual

715
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Speaker 2: friend Scott to give me when we were back in LA.

716
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Speaker 2: This is They called it the Brotherhood of the Traveling Socks,

717
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Speaker 2: and Scott is now just wearing them because he couldn't

718
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Speaker 2: look at him for that long without putting him into action.

719
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Speaker 2: So Bombas popular around the globe and could not recommend

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Speaker 2: him enough. They're the most comfortable. You're only as comfortable

721
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Speaker 2: as your feet. B O MBA asked, do it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan? I don't know.

723
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Speaker 2: You want to do the big dog? Do you want

724
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: to do a conference?

725
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: Let's coach, Let's save the big dog for later. Okay,

726
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: I think we both know what the big dog is

727
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: here on this list. Let's go to up and coming coach. Okay,

728
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: pump the brakes, pedal to the medal, whichever way you

729
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: want to play it. Jeff Brahm, did he or did

730
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: he not do a good thing by staying at Purdue

731
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: even with all of that cash that was being offered

732
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: from Louisville?

733
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah? And well and Purdue. Yeah, did he do a.

734
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: Good thing staying where he's at? You pump in the brakes,

735
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: you go and pedal to the medal on that?

736
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: Did he miss a window to maximize his value in

737
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: a very volatile profession?

738
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

739
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: We've sort of talked about. I mean, I will give

740
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: my opinion. I won't speak for you, but he's going

741
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 2: to make upwards of what five and a half six

742
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: million dollars either this year or eventually with his new deal.

743
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: And you know that sets the market for him. If

744
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, Purdue goes eight and four, nine and three,

745
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: and he gets a job at some huge blue blood

746
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: after he's done at Purdue, he will make yes, seven

747
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: eight million dollars whatever, which is just crazy. My question

748
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: is the sindularity is the wagon to which he is hitching.

749
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: Elijah Sindelar had an extraordinary Bowl game as quarterback two

750
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: years agogainst Arizona. I think that was in the Bay Area.

751
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 2: That was Foster Farms or whatever it's called that bowl game,

752
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: and then last season didn't really play. They lose to

753
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: Eastern Michigan, I want to say, And he had kind

754
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: of a bad game and really has not proven himself

755
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: over the long term to be like I am the

756
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: dude at least that even David Blau was. And is

757
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: Purdue in a place now with winnable games for sure,

758
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: with talent especially on offense, and taking a pretty enormous

759
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: step back on defense last year culminating in that game

760
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Speaker 2: against Auburn. Is Jeff Brohm hurting his long term potential

761
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Speaker 2: by staying at Purdue, which probably has a pretty defined ceiling.

762
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Speaker 2: And I don't think Louisville has that same ceiling in

763
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Speaker 2: the ACC. I don't think anywhere else really in most

764
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Speaker 2: other conferences have the ceiling that Purdue does. And I

765
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Speaker 2: just I don't know if I love the place Purdue

766
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Speaker 2: is in to fully showcase Jeff bram and I think

767
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Speaker 2: it might hurt him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I disagree. Wow, I disagree, And here's why I disagree.

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Speaker 1: You were right to point out that the defense took

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Speaker 1: a significant step back, but you're also slightly blind to

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Speaker 1: the fact that it took a huge step forward in

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Speaker 1: year one under Jeff Brahm. I remember a lot of

773
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Speaker 1: upperclassmen there alright, a lot of upperclassmen. But when he

774
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Speaker 1: took over. I remember looking at Purdue in advance of

775
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: I guess what the twenty seventeen season, and you and

776
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: I talked to each other, like, this defense is gonna

777
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Speaker 1: be an issue. Rough, this is gonna be a problem

778
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: for the boy had done a good job going in.

779
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Speaker 1: Yeah and lo and behold. The defense ended up sort

780
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Speaker 1: of being the talk of that team. Now last season,

781
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: not so much. They dropped pretty significantly. If you look

782
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: at what Purdue did on offense over that two year span,

783
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: it was sort of the opposite first year not so

784
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Speaker 1: good down in like the nineties. I want to say,

785
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Speaker 1: in terms of how many points they're putting up per game.

786
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Speaker 1: Last year took a pretty significant step forward up intol

787
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: like the fifties. They were in the top half of

788
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: college football. So I think what I'm trying to say

789
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Speaker 1: is that this is a guy who could coach now,

790
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Speaker 1: it's going to take a while to try and assemble

791
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: the pieces. He's only been there two years. He needs

792
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: to get his guys in there. He needs to establish

793
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: a culture, needs to establish a system, needs to get

794
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: some of those things he has at this point. He

795
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: has need to get those underclass been programmed accordingly to

796
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Speaker 1: do what he wants them to do. But look, he's

797
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: already going to be making a lot of money. It

798
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Speaker 1: depends on your definition of maximizing your value. I think

799
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Speaker 1: if he can get things going in a good direction,

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Speaker 1: all the ships rowing in the same direction at Purdue

801
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: and at least make them plucky, which he seemingly has done,

802
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: that in and of itself will make him marketable. We

803
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: have already wanted him after just like two seasons out.

804
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Speaker 2: They had a connection to him. They had a connection.

805
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: They had a connection. But they are not the only

806
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: school that was interested in Jeff Brohm. I can assure you,

807
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: and moving forward, they will not be the last. So

808
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Speaker 1: I am not worried at all about Jeff Brohm's marketability.

809
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: He is at some point going to cash in in

810
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Speaker 1: a very big way. He is one of the few

811
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Speaker 1: up and coming coaches who can bide his time at Purdue,

812
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: wait for the right job to come along, and then

813
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: cash in at a later day. I don't think this

814
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: hurts him at all. I think it's good for college football.

815
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Speaker 1: It's certainly good for the Big Ten. That he decided

816
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: to stick around at Purdue. He's going to be just fine.

817
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: So the phrasing I always like though, is at a

818
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: certain point, can he just go six and six every

819
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Speaker 2: year and maintain the market value that he currently has.

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury is now the head football coach at Arizona.

821
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Speaker 2: I get that, But he can point to specific quarterbacks

822
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: that he helped to develop that I don't think.

823
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals, not the University of Arizona.

824
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: I get you. I think that's more of a reflection

825
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: on the Arizona Cardinals than it is the general model.

826
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Speaker 2: Also be true. I would just be worried that if

827
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Speaker 2: he goes six and six, five and seven, seven and

828
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Speaker 2: five in perpetuity, next two, three, four years in perpetuity

829
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: obviously means forever. So I miss using that word. I

830
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Speaker 2: just I think it's going to I think his attraction

831
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: is going to plateau.

832
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: Well that's look, it's certainly possible. But you and I

833
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: both know there are plenty of coaches around college football

834
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: who develop a reputation as being a forward thinker, or

835
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: an up and comer, or you name it. Manny Diaz

836
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: could be one of those, by the way, and certainly

837
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: they remain marketable, perhaps longer than they should be. Now,

838
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to want Manny Diaz quite into that,

839
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: but you get my point here. I think Jeff Brohm's

840
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: going to be fine. I think he is viewed by

841
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: enough people as an up and comer, a bright young

842
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: college football mind. He will remain marketable for a good

843
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: long time. This isn't going to hurt him even if

844
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: Perdue Bottom's out, which I don't think they will, because

845
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: he's a good coach. He's going to.

846
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Be just fine. I would like to point out that

847
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen per Due boiler Makers gave up twenty

848
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: three points to the Michigan State offense.

849
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's.

850
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Move on with their backup quarterback.

851
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Let's move on. I want to get your take on

852
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: something here. Now. I had written another PAC twelve ish question,

853
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: but you put something here that I think is an

854
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: interesting topic for discussion. Yeah, are we pumping the brakes?

855
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: Are we not pumping the brakes? Did the PAC twelve

856
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: do the right thing by not taking ESPN's offer to distribute?

857
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna have to network in the lactic game. Yeah,

858
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to explain for the for ballerhood here

859
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: what exactly transpired.

860
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: So it's pretty straightforward. The PAC twelve has been big

861
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: on owning itself outright, and that includes you know, they

862
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: have these deals with Fox and ESPN to show games,

863
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 2: but they own the PAC twelve network outright. They like

864
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: the ownership element of the network, and I understand that

865
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: in general, big picture, you want to own everything you

866
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: possibly can. You have more control, you make more money

867
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: if it's successful, et cetera, et cetera. The problem with

868
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve is, as we've talked about many times

869
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: here before, there are certain built in disadvantages that the

870
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: PAC twelve have, be it schools without long term traditional

871
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: success or the fact that it's on West coast child schools,

872
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: or most of its schools are on West Coast times,

873
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: so some of the bigger games are into the night,

874
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: and not a lot of people on the East coast

875
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: or southeast, you know, central time are able to see

876
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: all this big action, and they haven't had teams in

877
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: the playoffs. They've been close since, you know, they've had Washington,

878
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: they've had Oregon, but they haven't had major, major success since.

879
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 2: I suppose both Chip Kelly's run at Oregon and Pete

880
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: Carroll at USC with this nice little Washington blip, but

881
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: not necessarily on a national level. So the PAC twelve

882
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: is struggling with branding. The PAC twelve is struggling with,

883
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: you know, garnering attention for some of its better stories,

884
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: some of its more interesting team, some of its more

885
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: interesting coaches, and not that you're buried on the PAC

886
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: twelve network, because plenty of people can see the PAC

887
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: twelve network. I think that's a little bit overstated, a

888
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: little overwrought. But I think the PAC twelve has a

889
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: perception issue that can be overcome with some more thoughtful

890
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: exposure that they are not necessarily willing to buy into.

891
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: And ESPN made them an offer to help distribute the

892
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: PAC twelve network because ESPN has leverage with cable and

893
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: satellite providers in exchange for extending ESPN's existing deal with

894
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve, presumably at probably a sweetheart rate for

895
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: ESPN in exchange. So yes, I understand the PAC twelve

896
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: wants to make the best deal for itself. But again,

897
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm at a certain point kind of talker and thinker,

898
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: right or wrong. At a certain point, when does the

899
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: PAC twelve say, yeah, we could need we could use

900
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: a hand, right that doesn't involve private equity investing money,

901
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: So the PAC twelve can still maintain whatever level of

902
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: control they want. And as somebody who loves and adores

903
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: PAC twelve football, I really wish and you know, let's

904
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: say ESPN comes in and they say, okay, we're going

905
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: to create like a hard knock style show showcasing chip

906
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: Kell and UCLA or Justin Wilcox and cal will put

907
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: it on ESPN. Plut like they're doing things to raise

908
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: the profile of certain things or well, you know, attach

909
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: cameras to ASU and herm Edwards And now I guess

910
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: what's his name the Bengals coach that just joined up,

911
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: Marvin Marvin Lesis Marvin Lewis. I can't keep track that

912
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: they were willing to do things to go above and

913
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: beyond to help with the brand of the PAC twelve,

914
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: and the conference just said thanks, but no thanks, And

915
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: I don't think the conventional wisdom is that the PAC

916
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: twelve did the right thing. But I just like to

917
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: revisit it and say, what are we doing? Well, here's doing?

918
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: Come on, here's what's interesting about As.

919
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: The s CHN is preparing to launch the ACC network, right,

920
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting about this. On this show last year,

921
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: we also had a question about the PAC twelve, and

922
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: that question was does the PAC twelve know what it's doing? Essentially,

923
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: are we sure that the PAC twelve knows what it's

924
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: doing that has somebody in charge? Again, we're asking a question,

925
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: a business question, about how the PAC twelve is conducting

926
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: its distribution. I don't really have a problem with this.

927
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: I don't, and it's for a couple of reasons. First off, granted,

928
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: the media landscape is changing, but it's sort of an

929
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: open secret that live sports are very marketable and they

930
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: tend to retain their value. So even if you don't

931
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: cash in from ESPN now in five years, when the

932
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: current deal with Fox and ESPN expires in twenty twenty four,

933
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: what's to say that ESPN isn't going to come back

934
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: and also try to try to get their hands on

935
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, then I think ESPN would still probably

936
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: be in the bidding. I'm not a business guy, but

937
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: it stands to reason that if they were interested now

938
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: they're probably going to be interested.

939
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: Then can I throw something out as well?

940
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Sure?

941
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 2: I have a theory that we are in a streaming bubble, okay,

942
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: that that streaming has gotten to the point where okay,

943
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: you're subscribing to Hulu and Netflix and whatever. What's Disney Plus,

944
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: that's what's coming soon, and Warner Brothers is going to

945
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: do a thing, and you have Amazon, you have you

946
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: have all of these different entities, and ESPN is ESPN Plus,

947
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: and Fox says, I don't know if it's Fox Sports

948
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: go still or just Fox Sports. You have all of

949
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: these different entities that you need to shuffle between, and

950
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: it's almost like, hey, if we could have, even with

951
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: how evil all of them are, if we could have

952
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: one overarching system to watch everything we wanted to watch,

953
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: say with a cable hooked up to you like a bundle,

954
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: like some sort of bundle, that might work out well.

955
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: And I just think getting in well with cable companies

956
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: who have the distribution modeled down pat and not saying well,

957
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna put our games on YouTube and everybody's gonna

958
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: watch it, because that's how everybody's gonna be watching TV

959
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. I'm pumping the brakes on that thought.

960
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: How about that, Well, that that's fair and we could

961
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: take that offline. Yeah, if you'd like to talk more about.

962
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you're a YouTube TV subscriber and I have

963
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: because of Jody with and I I don't know I've

964
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: reconnected the cord because when she was on maternity leave,

965
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 2: She's like, no, I'm not dealing with any of that crap, right,

966
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: give me, give me channels.

967
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: And that's all fair. I just I don't think that

968
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot that could happen between now and

969
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: five years from now that's gonna make the packful of

970
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: any less valuable. I don't necessarily disagree with the fact

971
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: that we're in a bit of a streaming bubble. I

972
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: also think that it's somewhat wise to wait around and

973
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: at least explore other options, not take the first deal.

974
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: In this respect, can.

975
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: I tell you what I think might make the PAC

976
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: twelve less valuable by twenty twenty four?

977
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

978
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: Sick?

979
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: Was it?

980
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 2: Five six straight years nineteen twenty one, two, three, four,

981
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: six straight years of every team going somewhere between four

982
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: and eight and ten and two okay, and not appearing

983
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: in the playoff, not showing out well in huge games

984
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: in early September or in early January, and not necessarily

985
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: having big time systems or coaches or huge national wins

986
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: year over year over year. I think that could diminish

987
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: the value of the PAC twelve.

988
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, we'll see. I am skeptical that there's

989
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: a whole lot that could happen that would make live

990
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: sports rights, at least in that sense, less valuable. And

991
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't really have a problem with it. The PAC

992
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: twelve has been poorly run. We've had a lot of

993
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: question before. Yeah, it's been poorly run. At this point,

994
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: you've already got a deal. It's not like your games

995
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: won't be distributed. Why not wait a year or two,

996
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: see what your options are, see if there's anything new

997
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: that develops. I think that's okay. Pump me some breaks? Yeah, okay,

998
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: fair enough, Daniel.

999
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to finish with one big one?

1000
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: You want a couple more? What do you want to do?

1001
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: Are we pumping the breaks? Uh?

1002
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: Oh?

1003
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 1: On Clemson being a dynasty with no end in sight.

1004
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: Okay, lot to unpack, A.

1005
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Lot to unpack here, So I did a show. I

1006
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: did a show. Gosh, I guess it was some at

1007
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,959
Speaker 1: some point in December. Maybe it was before the National

1008
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: Championship game, before the playoffs with our friend Larry Williams

1009
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: from Tiger Illustrated, like the foremost authority on Clemson football

1010
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: all three of his books here on my bookshelf, an

1011
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: incredible resource, knows everything about Clemson football. He is impossibly

1012
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: bullish on the Clemson football program moving forward. It is

1013
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: certainly buoyed by the fact that they've got all world everything.

1014
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence as their starting quarterback, had an incredible true

1015
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: freshman campaign. DJ Yuia Galle Yeah, I mean they're putting

1016
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: together maybe the best recruiting class of all time is

1017
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: coming recruiting cycle. So Clemson is in a very good spot.

1018
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: It's clearly a program that has reached critical mass. Larry's

1019
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: high on them. I don't think there's any college football

1020
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: fan out there who isn't high on Clemson as well.

1021
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: This is not a program that is going to experience

1022
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: any kind of dip anytimes They're not going to dip

1023
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: down eight and four. It's just not going to happen.

1024
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't see any chance of that. Hard that's happening, right,

1025
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: But when you start talking about a dynasty, a dynasty's

1026
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: a different word. Over the next five years, the future

1027
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: looks very bright for Clemson.

1028
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: They've won two and three, right.

1029
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: Yes, two and three. But over the next ten years,

1030
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: where will Dablosweeney have this program? Is it a dynasty

1031
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: with no end in sight? The way Alabama has seemingly

1032
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: been a dynasty with no end insight? Yean right?

1033
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: So well? I mean USC won a couple in three

1034
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: years early on in Pete Carroll's tenure, much to the

1035
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: chagrin I guess still of LSU fans, and that lasted

1036
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: a long time, USC being really good, but they weren't

1037
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 2: appearing in national championships the back half of you know,

1038
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: after the Oklahoma game and after the Texas game. Then

1039
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: did they appear in a national championship or in that

1040
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: national championship conversation, they were Rose Bowl good year over year,

1041
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: but they slowed down, and a lot of that had

1042
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: to do with attrition, and then of course Pete Carroll leaves.

1043
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, what is the specific thing that could

1044
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: slow this momentum. Yeah, Brent Venables seems like he's very

1045
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: happy there. I still think he'll eventually leave, but he's

1046
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 2: waiting for the perfect job. Probably maybe I'm wrong. I'm wrong,

1047
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: certainly often enough, I'm the surest thing in college football picking.

1048
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: But the only real thing I could see that could

1049
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: transform Clemson from eleven to one, twelve to zero into

1050
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: nine and three, ten and two is attrition among coaches.

1051
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: Dabo flirting with an NFL job or something like that.

1052
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't fully see that right now, and just making

1053
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: a dut of a hire and having and this is

1054
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: any program like two quarterback duds in a row, recruiting wise,

1055
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: just misevaluation, didn't work out because of injury, system whatever.

1056
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: This is not really a hypothetic. It's a hypothetical. Does

1057
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: this dynasty continue given if the talent is, you know,

1058
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: still coming at this pace and developing at this pace.

1059
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: The position coaches are the same, offensive staff is the same,

1060
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: defensive staff is the same except for one guy. Is

1061
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: Clemson a national title contender in twenty nineteen like they

1062
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: are right now? If you replaced Brent Venables with Brian

1063
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: van Gorder. I ask you this, I, well, because that's

1064
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: what it is. It's going to be a like and

1065
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: that's sort of what happened with Auburn after they won

1066
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: the national championship. Just a couple of dud hires and

1067
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: take it easy. Gene chiswick right.

1068
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: I When I did the show with Larry I asked

1069
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: him pretty much the same question, what would it take

1070
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: to slow down this momentum? And it's not an easy answer,

1071
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: of course. It's it's all a bunch of hypotheticals. You

1072
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: could have a team that doesn't come together, you know,

1073
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: the bad chemistry.

1074
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: That's all hypotheticals, but it's really not it's really like,

1075
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: that's what happens when this is what seems slow down.

1076
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: It's just replacing either players or coaches with misevaluated personnel.

1077
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: It's something doesn't mesh. You could have bad chemistry among players,

1078
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: among coaches. You could have a guy like a Venables leaving.

1079
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: Certainly if Dabbo leaves, that could that could have a

1080
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: downstream effect as well. But there's no easy answer. He

1081
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't really have a good answer. I think you look

1082
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: at the talent coming in, it's hard to see a

1083
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: situation like that taking shape anytime in the near future.

1084
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: But to your question specifically, Brian Van gordersteps in the

1085
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: schedule to me, is still easy enough that they could

1086
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: get by even if they're not winning the national champions

1087
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: They're getting to the playoff game. They've still got a

1088
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball.

1089
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: This has got Trevor Lawrence in the short term in

1090
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, absolutely still a playoff, still a title content

1091
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: with BVG. Absolutely absolutely. Now they might get to the

1092
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: playoff and give up forty points, but are they getting

1093
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: to that playoff game? Sure? Absolutely, Look at the rest

1094
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: of the ACC, I think they're fine.

1095
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: How many teams in the ACC need to be legitimately good,

1096
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: legitimately eight nine win threats before you look at the

1097
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: conference and say, wow, this is now a deep enough

1098
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: ACC that I am legitimately worried about Clemson losing twice

1099
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: or three times and not even maybe still making the

1100
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: a SEC Championship, but not penciling them in like they

1101
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: are now, Like who is the team? So we know

1102
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Florida State has a capability, we know Miami have the

1103
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: capability just because of talent availability, And I just recent history,

1104
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: you know, says that these could be double digit winning teams.

1105
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: And Florida State's won a recent national championship. That's not

1106
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: a huge stretch. Who is the team that, like, okay,

1107
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: we're now down to If Virginia Tech is year over

1108
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: year nine and three, is it Louisville in their own division?

1109
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: If Scott Saderfield gets the Cardinals to a point where

1110
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: they're nine and three every year with a lights out

1111
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: defense like they've had under him at app State, are

1112
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 2: you suddenly saying okay now that Clemson, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville,

1113
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: Miami are all maybe even pitt are all eight ish

1114
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: win threats. I don't think Clemson has an easy road anymore.

1115
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: Do you need more teams than that? Fewer teams?

1116
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Well, they had like ten bowl teams this past I.

1117
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 2: Don't care about that. They know, but legit like eight

1118
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 2: they play eight conference games. It's not the hardest thing

1119
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: to get.

1120
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: It's got to be at least who needs to be good?

1121
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: What is this specific? I think it's Louisville, Louisville, Yeah, Louisville,

1122
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech maybe yeah, potentially, Yeah, they have a high

1123
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: talent ceiling being where they are. Yeah, if it gets

1124
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: all the way down to Georgia Tech, the most obvious

1125
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: improvers are Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville. So if

1126
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 2: it gets down to Georgia Tech improving to eight nine

1127
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: wins a year, yeah, yeah, I could see that, all right,

1128
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: But that's we're years from your situation in the ACC.

1129
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm not pumping the brakes on now. I don't think

1130
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: I am either the Clemson dynasty. Let's close out with

1131
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: this one. Okay, okay, it's a bigger picture thing. I

1132
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: already know we disagree. It'll be a fun conversation to

1133
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: close out the show with. Are you ready?

1134
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

1135
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Are you pumping the brakes on the college football playoff

1136
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: as a good thing or just pumping the breaks on

1137
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: a college football playoff? Are you pumping the breaks in

1138
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: the collegeotball playoffs? Yeah? You are. I am not explain

1139
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: your point. I will explain mine.

1140
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: It feels forced at this point, feels whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1141
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: That's your point. Well, that's the opening salvo of my point.

1142
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: We went eons with a bowl system. I know that

1143
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: was essentially a beauty pageant and you're telling me a

1144
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: playoff system is forced. Ty, Did you ever have a

1145
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: crush on on a young lady when you were in

1146
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: elementary school or middle young last high school?

1147
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you did. Sure I did as well.

1148
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: And I don't have a specific story about this, but

1149
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: I have a friend who has a specific story who

1150
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: pined after a young lady for years and years and

1151
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 2: just consumed all on the healthy level. He was not

1152
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: sitting in trees or anything like that, and eventually in

1153
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: high school he took her to a dance, and it's like,

1154
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 2: this is the culmination. Oh my god, I can't believe

1155
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: we are final, Like this is my dream, It's being realized.

1156
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: I've been wanting this for so many years. And then

1157
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 2: it was just disappointing. Okay, it was just disappointing. And

1158
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: I have reached the point where it whether it's you know,

1159
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel singing trying to get people interested in New

1160
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: Year's Eve, I am reaching the point where we are

1161
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 2: seeing the same games and we're seeing the same teams

1162
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: and we're supposed to talk about the sport as if

1163
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen in perpetuity. Where it is

1164
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 2: just becoming tiring. And I just and we've talked about that.

1165
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: This is not me breaking any new ground on the show.

1166
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: I just want Week ten. I am just the playoff

1167
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: is just not getting me hot and bottle wow. First off, Dan,

1168
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: I want the Rose Bowl. Maybe it's because I'm a

1169
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: dad now and I am just feeling old fashioned and dadish.

1170
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: But you were. You were of this mind long before

1171
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: you were a father.

1172
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: That is true. First wheels returning, First off.

1173
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: How dare you? How dare you be smirched the good

1174
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: name of this song? I know you know I have

1175
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: this at already at all times.

1176
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: It's just you have when you have to start employing

1177
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: a PR firm, and not my favorite.

1178
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: It depends on what your objective is for a college

1179
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: football season as a fan of a team, as the

1180
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: fan of a sport. This is where we differ you

1181
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and I will never ever be on

1182
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: the same page as you. Okay, you believe that you

1183
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: can go to a bowl game. You believe that some

1184
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: of our good friends in sports media can vote on

1185
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: who their favorite is, and even if you're not the

1186
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: national champion, that's still good enough. It was a good year.

1187
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: It was a good run. He had a great bowl experience,

1188
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: a great regular season. Let's move on to the next year.

1189
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm at be realistic. You're fine with that. I am not.

1190
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: I only what nine to three and winning the Alamo

1191
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: Bowl great.

1192
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: If you are going to play, why not play to win?

1193
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: Why not play to win the whole friggin thing? Who

1194
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: cares about the Alamo Bowl?

1195
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: I care, and the fine people along the river walk

1196
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: would like to have a word. I am not huffy

1197
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: taco enthusiasts.

1198
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I am not of this mindset that everyone should get

1199
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: the ribbon and be happy with it. I want the trophy,

1200
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: Give me the trophy. I don't think it's fair to

1201
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: start with.

1202
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: The playoff touchdown. Ty start start easy.

1203
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: I don't think it's school. I don't think it's cool

1204
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: that places like UCF don't get a realistic chance to

1205
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: play for the crown. They play a lot of the

1206
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: same teams, but they can't play for the crown. I

1207
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: think if you're going to be in that a lot,

1208
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to be an FBS,

1209
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: they should find some way to give everyone a realistic

1210
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: chance to win that one big prize.

1211
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: But there is one big Prize baseball coach for five years.

1212
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: A high school baseball coach once said it was the

1213
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: only smart thing he ever said. Only one team should

1214
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: go home happy at the end of the year, and

1215
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: I subscribe to that. That's the way all pretty much

1216
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: all the rest of the speak.

1217
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: It's such a different setup high school baseball and college football.

1218
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't have apples apples one team. One team is

1219
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: your champion. That's what we should be playing four.

1220
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that old school college football

1221
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: was like figure skating. We left it in the hands

1222
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: of judges.

1223
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: It's content.

1224
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: I want his content. We are in a content business.

1225
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about that.

1226
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1227
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: As a fan, though, I want to see it happen

1228
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: on the field. I want it to be determined on

1229
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: the field. If you are champion, I want you to

1230
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: earn it. I don't want it to be voted upon

1231
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: earn it.

1232
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: If Alabama and Clemson trade off national championships the next

1233
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: five years, will you feel the same way?

1234
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Really absolutely.

1235
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 2: I could see myself softening on the stance if we

1236
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: get like Penn State, Texas Tech. Uh. I won't say Oregon,

1237
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: but I'll say an interesting Pac twelve team I don't know.

1238
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 2: Utah is out of nowhere with Andy Ludwig, a team

1239
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 2: with an amazing offense, and Miami this year wild roller

1240
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: coaster of Butmani Diaz opening year and we get those

1241
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 2: teams in the playoff also, I definitely will soften.

1242
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let me ask you this, then, okay,

1243
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: let me spin it back around on you.

1244
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1245
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: Your question is if it's the same teams in the

1246
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: National Championship, will I feel differently? What if it were

1247
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: the same situation but we still had the old school

1248
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: bowl system. I'm not talking BCS, but I'm talking old

1249
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: school bowl system. Let's say both Alabama and Clemson remain dominant.

1250
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: They're locked into whatever bowl game they're going to, whatever

1251
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: bowl agreement their conference has, and they're just playing different

1252
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: teams year and in year out. We are still having

1253
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: this debate about which one is better. Do you think

1254
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: that's fair? Both are presumably in the midst of great

1255
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: dynasties in a college football sense. Yeah, and instead of

1256
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: them playing it out on the field.

1257
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 2: Well, they might play it out at the Orange Bowl.

1258
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: Maybe we have an sec ACC game.

1259
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: All right, Maybe we don't, though, Maybe we're back in

1260
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: this old school dilemma of arguing it out who should

1261
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: be the best team, who should be determined as a

1262
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: number one team? You're cool. I love it.

1263
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 2: I want everybody to be a national champion. Yeah, I'm

1264
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: fine with it, I really am. I want January one,

1265
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: I want like twelve enormous bowl games, and I want

1266
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: to have to sort it out on this show for

1267
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 2: the next eight months.

1268
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: It would be good content. I'm fine with the content

1269
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: element of this, but as a fan, as a fan,

1270
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: I disagree. I want to see it on the field.

1271
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: As it stands now, we have one hundred and twenty

1272
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: six teams who are supposed to feel disappointed at the

1273
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: end of the year because they didn't make the playoff.

1274
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: I think that's the wrong way of looking at it.

1275
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know. I am right

1276
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: in tweet us solid verbogmail dot com is the email

1277
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: we're on. We're gonna get like fifty thousand messages about this, Okay,

1278
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: we are. We've done it before. It's gonna happen again.

1279
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 2: Ty, here's my final question about this topic. What if

1280
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: it's not about the trophy but the friends we've made

1281
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 2: a lot. What if I told you I just want

1282
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: I want more days with multiple football games, and this

1283
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: limits things in a way that I don't love what

1284
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm selfishly looking at this from both a content and

1285
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: from a day's worth of enjoyment perspective. Ever, the businessman,

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Speaker 2: because mine's just a TV event. If you want the

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Speaker 2: one true champion, go to sixteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that too.

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Speaker 2: Do it, go to sixteen, go to college campuses. We

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01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: can have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: My dogument Dan is that when you pick four teams,

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01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: you have a better chance of picking the one true champion.

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Speaker 2: That's fine too. I just don't care about the one

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Speaker 2: true champion, and that could be Oregon, and I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have and I've said this to people, Ty,

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: this is how serious I feel about it. I'd rather

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 2: have three seasons of Oregon winning Rose Bowls with an

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: exciting offense, you know, beating Wisconsin, beating Michigan, beating whoever,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan State, you name it, big ten team.

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: I'd rather have three years of that than one season

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01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: of Oregon putting it together and winning a national championship

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 2: and having to deal with the expectations and what the

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01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: program will have to go through as suddenly a national

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01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: championship program. I'd rather have the Rose Bull crowns than

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 2: the National Championship.

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: Would you rather listen to a podcast with terrible audio

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: quality recorded entirely with blue yetties or usage of blue

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: yetties because some people do it right you?

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01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: Okay? Would you rather watch I don't know what show

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01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: is only okay? Would you rather watch all of the

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 2: seasons of Alias in eight k or watch the Wire

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 2: in four y three?

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: They only shot the wire in four by three? That

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: was okay, four K?

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01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're still talking about the wire or not? Fine,

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 2: not the Wire but something else recently that's that's been excellent,

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: Veep or Barry or any of those shows, Silicon Valley,

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever. I'm just naming HBO shows at

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: this point. Brooklyn nine nine, I love all sorts of

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 2: shows four by three not a great picture, occasional lines

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01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: adjusting things, or just what was what was the show

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: after loss? That was like a lost rip off that

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 2: they tried to do. There's a show on right now

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: where a plane disappeared for five years on ABC.

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: And Mike Tarico and Doug Flutie were talking it up

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01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: during the noted in game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is in Manka eleven by one, Dolby whatever,

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: just the most immersive futuristic experience. You get to watch that,

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: you get to watch the Blacklist with that, or you

1330
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 2: get to watch Sopranos the Wires.

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01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: Conversations over Dan.

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: Four by three exactly, ty exactly, conversation's over. My gavel

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01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: has been banged.

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01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

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01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: I'd say start slow, all right, score a touchdown in

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01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Well, please, everyone out there listening, we encourage you as

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Speaker 1: ever right in. Let us the way you think. Tell

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Speaker 1: us fil the reddit subreddit, Yeah, do it up. Go

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Speaker 1: Peter will get a thread going about this show. I'm

1342
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: sure of it. Chime in. Feel free to talk about

1343
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: how we're wrong. I'm fine. Thoughts, you've been talking for

1344
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: twelve years, my whole life, whatever, We're fine with it.

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Speaker 1: of our latest announcements. We've got live shows that we're

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Speaker 1: working on literally as we speak. We've got T shirts

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Speaker 1: which we're going to be pushing out in a couple weeks.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine it is summertime, so we're working on that

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Speaker 1: some other stuff or always are ready to go.

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Speaker 2: We'll put them out pretty soon, I think.

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll be working on all sorts of cool

1356
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: things here over the next few weeks as we really

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01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 1: enter into the summer months, the home stretch before we

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01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: start talking about on field college football action and if

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Speaker 1: you haven't already subscribed to the show, wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts and tell your friends, tell your friends about

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Speaker 1: the saliverbo Yeah. Always willing to welcome new people to

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Speaker 1: be a due experience. Yes, or you know that that

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01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: applies to everybody. It's not just man who can be dude,

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01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: It's be a dude. Daniel, that's all I got, That's

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: all I have for that guy over there. My good friend,

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01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: still my good friend, even after that discussion. Dan Rolstine

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hilton Brand in rainy eastern Pennsylvania, thanks

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: again for joining us on the show. Enjoy the rest

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: of your week, All of your weekend and until next time,

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: stay solid, peace in