Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure
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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. The Elon Trump romance is over,
Speaker 1: and as we get more and more from both sides
Speaker 1: on this one starting to get a little heated at
Speaker 1: little nasty. Some people are saying, a little nasty, little ugly,
Speaker 1: what is going on here? The most powerful man in
Speaker 1: the world, the richest man in the world. They were
Speaker 1: totally united on the agenda and it lasted less than
Speaker 1: six months before things have gotten a little nasty. Our
Speaker 1: friend Katie Zachariah is with us now. She's a political
Speaker 1: strategist out of California. Of course she's with the good guys.
Speaker 1: She's GOP Katie, let's just start with this. Are how
Speaker 1: surprised should we be that this is where, this is
Speaker 1: where this has.
Speaker 2: Gone well with as pertains to President Trump and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2: What I go back to is the fact that Elon
Speaker 2: took a poll on x I'm sure everyone remembers this
Speaker 2: as to whether or not we should bring back President
Speaker 2: Trump because he had been deplatformed right in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: by Jack Dorsey, and so instead.
Speaker 3: Of making the decision on his own.
Speaker 2: He takes this poll and then he brings President Trump
Speaker 2: back onto X or allows him to come back on.
Speaker 2: Then after the first assassination attempt, Elon Musk voices his
Speaker 2: support for President Trump and for all of us. For me,
Speaker 2: I've been a big fan of President Trump before twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: So for all of us that have been in the
Speaker 2: trenches with him through his first term through twenty twenty
Speaker 2: and then in the term of the you know, the
Speaker 2: four years where he wasn't president. Elon's support was great,
Speaker 2: and it came a little bit late in the game.
Speaker 2: I called him a Johnny cum Lately or Johnny cum
Speaker 2: late as they like to say. So the rift, I
Speaker 2: didn't know how long it would take. But everybody serves
Speaker 2: at the pleasure of the president. You serve at the
Speaker 2: pleasure of the president. And he was there to serve
Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump without his own agenda. And so
Speaker 2: if this rift is happening now because he had his
Speaker 2: own agenda, well better now than later.
Speaker 1: I would say, what do you think his agenda was? Though,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like he was saying all the right
Speaker 1: things when he came on board. He bought X which
Speaker 1: was super helpful for just getting just free speech out
Speaker 1: there more online. I mean, I'm a big believer, and
Speaker 1: that was really just it was useful, not just for
Speaker 1: the election. I think it was useful for American discourse.
Speaker 1: He gave hundreds of millions of dollars to Trump. What
Speaker 1: do you think we'll get? Okay, let's just get into
Speaker 1: some of this what's being said? Okay, Elon. Elon tweeted
Speaker 1: this out on or you know, posted this on X
Speaker 1: time to drop the really big bomb real Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the
Speaker 1: reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day,
Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump. I couldn't believe that was real. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that was real when I read it. It's
Speaker 1: it's real, it's real.
Speaker 3: And it's terrible.
Speaker 2: Uh, whether it's defamation, slander, er, you could go down
Speaker 2: the list that is. It's so terrible that after the
Speaker 2: work that they've done together that he would come out
Speaker 2: and write something like that. It's disturbing and it's wholly inaccurate.
Speaker 2: And I find it to be detestable that Elon in
Speaker 2: their division would stoop so low as to take that
Speaker 2: kind of blow.
Speaker 3: At our sitting President Donald J.
Speaker 2: Trump, who took a bullet for us, who you know,
Speaker 2: avoided another assassination attempt and went up against an entire
Speaker 2: weaponized judicial system for US, And now Elon's coming out
Speaker 2: from his high horse making these kind of accusations.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's really gross.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, I mean, as a guy, there
Speaker 1: there are I mean, you're not a guy, but I'm
Speaker 1: a guy. And I'll just say from the male, from
Speaker 1: the male perspective, speaking from the male perspective. Although you're
Speaker 1: in California, so I am making assumptions Katie, just based
Speaker 1: on your appearance that you know, definitely I'm assuming, lady.
Speaker 1: I know California people could do crazy things and they
Speaker 1: can win state championships and you know, they're like, I'm
Speaker 1: a girl and you're like, no, you're not. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on safe ground with you. So
Speaker 1: but as a guy, there are things that you can
Speaker 1: say to you know, I've had I have friends and
Speaker 1: we've we've like, you know, cursed at each other. You know,
Speaker 1: my brothers and I I would say, have curt you know,
Speaker 1: I try not to do that now that I'm older
Speaker 1: and wiser. But when I was younger, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had friends where we've actually laid hands on each other.
Speaker 1: I mean you've actually you know, gotten to shoving or whatever.
Speaker 1: He got an argument and like you, you know, you
Speaker 1: squash it, you know, figure it out whatever later you
Speaker 1: call a guy, uh basically or you insinuate in any
Speaker 1: way that a guy is like a pedophile or some
Speaker 1: kind of like a sex deviant. That's I don't think
Speaker 1: you come back from that in there in that relationship.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, I think that that crosses
Speaker 1: a line. And I I'm actually surprised that Elon would
Speaker 1: go there that I am surprised by.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's unfortunately the term applies is very much
Speaker 2: below the belt. It's somewhere that you don't go to
Speaker 2: friendship and otherwise. And to be clear, I am a female.
Speaker 2: I've birthed four children, and you.
Speaker 1: Have signed properly at birth female and you accept your female.
Speaker 4: Designation, and I identify as a female out here in California.
Speaker 4: But yes, no, it's one of those moments where those
Speaker 4: are that's a line you don't cross if you want
Speaker 4: to go into any kind of metaphysical that's like the
Speaker 4: event horizon.
Speaker 3: Now you've crossed over into the black hole.
Speaker 2: Since Elon is the space guy, you just don't come back.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and it's offensive personally to me.
Speaker 3: It's offensive as a supporter of Donald J.
Speaker 2: Trump, who has, as I said, put his life on
Speaker 2: the line in every way possible so that my republic,
Speaker 2: our republic, could be preserved for the next generation. He
Speaker 2: literally in the pathway against a Marxist totalitarian takeover that
Speaker 2: was certainly happening beneath Elon's nose under.
Speaker 3: The four years of Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: And I didn't see him come out at Joe Biden
Speaker 2: the way he's come out at President Trump online in
Speaker 2: the last what twenty four hours. I never saw the
Speaker 2: vitriol coming from Elon to Joe or Kamala or anyone else.
Speaker 2: So this to me looks very much turncoat. That could
Speaker 2: we have trusted Elon from the beginning. You know, he's
Speaker 2: heavily invested in China. A lot of people were questioning
Speaker 2: his allegiance to begin with, so a lot of President
Speaker 2: Trump's longtime supporters, Steve Bannon, was very outspoken against Elon
Speaker 2: Musk and I think took a lot of heat for it,
Speaker 2: but there were things to question, like his gigafactory in
Speaker 2: Shanghai and China, like where is his allegiance completely?
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I am I am rarely. I knew that
Speaker 1: Trump and Elon would part ways and that was open.
Speaker 1: But that was always going to happen, right because the
Speaker 1: special government employee. I thought there would be a little
Speaker 1: bit of friction before they did, or I would say
Speaker 1: I knew that there would be I didn't think it
Speaker 1: would be like this and for it to be overspending bill.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Trump had just ordered a nuclear strike
Speaker 1: on you know, some defenseless country, I feel like I
Speaker 1: would understand a little more Elon's outrage. I still wouldn't
Speaker 1: say what Elon had said, but I would understand him
Speaker 1: being so upset. But he did the work of Doge.
Speaker 1: It's not just up to Trump. There's Congress, there's politics,
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on here, and to attack Trump
Speaker 1: in this personal way, I'm surprised that Elon. I will
Speaker 1: say that, I am actually surprised that Elon. I don't
Speaker 1: know him, never met him, but I followed his career
Speaker 1: pretty closely, and I would have expected more a more
Speaker 1: judicious parting from him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I also think Elon underestimates how beloved President Trump is.
Speaker 2: That he's not just the president of the United States,
Speaker 2: that people who support him and people who have come
Speaker 2: to support him and would attend his rallies at what
Speaker 2: thirty five thousand people at these rallies in the dead
Speaker 2: heat of summer, and like Nevada, they genuinely love President Trump.
Speaker 2: So for his supporters this feels personal. This is personal
Speaker 2: towards President Trump, but it's also personal to the millions
Speaker 2: of people that elected President Trump.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: What he's doing right now, what President Trump is doing
Speaker 2: with this bill and what the House is doing, is
Speaker 2: delivering on the promises that he made. I will build
Speaker 2: and finish the border wall. I will deport illegal immigrants
Speaker 2: that are violent criminals. I will restore our strategic petroleum.
Speaker 3: Reserves that have been lost.
Speaker 2: Right, these are things that Biden drained, that Biden didn't do,
Speaker 2: and that President Trump is having to come back and
Speaker 2: fund through this House bill. So for Elon be so critical,
Speaker 2: like over the last four years, for instance, our strategic
Speaker 2: patrol au reserves are at an all time low. That
Speaker 2: is a very very serious national security risk for the
Speaker 2: United States and guess what. It takes money to refill
Speaker 2: this and so if people dig into this bill, it's
Speaker 2: going to be able to repair a lot of the damage,
Speaker 2: not bring us to whole, but prepare a lot of
Speaker 2: the damage of the Biden administration. And Elon should be
Speaker 2: supporting this, and I don't see him saying, well, why
Speaker 2: don't we come up with the solution where I pay
Speaker 2: for the border wall so the American people don't have
Speaker 2: to or something like that.
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Speaker 1: All right, kitty, you're following this big beautiful bill pretty closely.
Speaker 1: I get the sense that you think this absolutely should
Speaker 1: go through. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it's going to go to the Senate.
Speaker 2: There can be some tweaks and adjustments, and then.
Speaker 3: It should pass.
Speaker 2: This is a bill that delivers on President Trump's tax
Speaker 2: cuts and makes them permanent.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: It raises Americans take home pay as much as thirteen
Speaker 2: to fourteen thousand dollars. He's delivering on exactly what he
Speaker 2: campaigned on, finishing in the wall, refilling the strategic petroleum reserves.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on and for us, this
Speaker 2: takes money. But he's also delivering tax cuts. He's not
Speaker 2: just saying we're going to spend all this money. We're
Speaker 2: also going to deliver tax cuts to the middle class.
Speaker 2: A contrary to what all the mainstream media is saying
Speaker 2: is he's giving big breaks to his oligarch friends. As
Speaker 2: you know, NBC likes to say, this is really going
Speaker 2: to benefit the middle class. And we saw today with
Speaker 2: the tariffs. Wow, the tariffs are actually working and helping
Speaker 2: our economy. The Democrats had to come out and say this.
Speaker 2: So I think the two working in hand in hand
Speaker 2: is going to be very beneficial for the United States.
Speaker 1: Something else that I'm wondering about, I just want to ask,
Speaker 1: because I know you're California based, You're one of those
Speaker 1: behind enemy lines conservatives in California. This stuff with Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom refusing to basically refusing to enforce Title nine or
Speaker 1: go against Title nine. They had this track and Field
Speaker 1: championship with a guy ab Hernandez saying that he's a woman.
Speaker 1: And now, what do you think the numbers are? I mean,
Speaker 1: you've probably seen the polling. Do most Californians actually support
Speaker 1: that madness? I know nationwide it's an eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 1: Eighty eighty percent think that's insane. Twenty percent are either
Speaker 1: okay with it or think it's really important that we
Speaker 1: have trans competitors. But in California do they not see
Speaker 1: that this is nuts? A majority of Californians, including all
Speaker 1: those Democrats. What do you think California?
Speaker 2: I know it will come to surprise so many listeners,
Speaker 2: but I do, in my experience, see that California is
Speaker 2: pretty on track with the rest of the nation on
Speaker 2: this issue. And in general, I think our vote situation
Speaker 2: without voter ID and these week long voting opportunities has
Speaker 2: thwarted the will of Californians. But it is an eighty
Speaker 2: twenty issue in California. And Aby Hernandez was competing in
Speaker 2: the male sport twenty three and twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 2: then competed in the girls version this year and then
Speaker 2: got a championship first place medal and had a deviation
Speaker 2: similar to that of what male Olympic athletes to female
Speaker 2: and Olympic athletes had right, which is always the male
Speaker 2: is generally going to be outperforming the female, even in
Speaker 2: that high.
Speaker 3: Triple jump category. So this is actually really sad to watch.
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom had voiced, oh, this is it's deeply unfair
Speaker 2: for girls to have to compete against biological males in
Speaker 2: their sports. But then, in typical Gavin Newsomb fashion, didn't
Speaker 2: do anything about it and gave it a lot of
Speaker 2: time and got, you know, got the quotes out there
Speaker 2: that he wanted so he could run for potential president
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight. But President Trump did the right thing.
Speaker 2: He has threatened to withhold federal funding. We are a
Speaker 2: bankrupt state right now, and his withholding a federal funding
Speaker 2: I hope brings Gavin Newsom to at least understand and
Speaker 2: act in this sport or in for females in general
Speaker 2: in California, because it is deeply unfair and girls should
Speaker 2: not be sharing a first place podium with a biological male.
Speaker 2: It's just it is just inherently unfair.
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