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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty and today the show we are joined by a

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Speaker 1: super successful d I Y public land deer hunter known

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Speaker 1: by some as the Professor, Joe Elsinger. And this, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, is one of the most interesting and helpful

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Speaker 1: interviews we've recorded in a long time. So get ready

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Speaker 1: for some serious learning. All right, Welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by SI Gear. And

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Speaker 1: today on the show, we are diving deep into the

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Speaker 1: mind of a super successful d I Y public land

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Speaker 1: deer hunter, a man known by um as the Professor

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Speaker 1: and to the rest of the world by the name

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Speaker 1: of Joe el Singer. And today we're going to poke

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Speaker 1: and prod and question and harass Joe until he shares

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Speaker 1: with us everything we need to know to have the

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Speaker 1: same kind of deer hunting success that he's had. So

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Dan, does that sound like a

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Speaker 1: good strategy for today? Uh? Yeah, it does. I've been

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Speaker 1: thinking about property in general. Uh, today I called I

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Speaker 1: called today an access route day because for some reason

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Speaker 1: I get in these days where I have these days

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Speaker 1: don't know why that's good. Access routes are important. Did

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Speaker 1: you come to any kind of like monumental conclusion. Do

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Speaker 1: you have a new access route planned or you're gonna

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Speaker 1: call someone new to get permission on a neighboring property

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Speaker 1: or something good like that. Yeah, a little bit of

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Speaker 1: all that. Um, I don't know if you remember me

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Speaker 1: talking about using cricks at the beginning of this past

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Speaker 1: year to access some stand locations. Well, because I tagged

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Speaker 1: out so early, I didn't I didn't do any of that.

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Speaker 1: So this year I'm gonna try to implement a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of that strategy. I like it. Do you

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Speaker 1: have like a specific crick that you're thinking about? I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that a general idea or do you have like specifics,

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Speaker 1: like to get to this stand or I want to

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Speaker 1: stand off this creek? Right? I need I have some

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Speaker 1: specifics already. UM, I'll go in. I'll hang the stand

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Speaker 1: here probably in July June or July, and that way

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Speaker 1: it's up. Uh. And the only thing that I'll need

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Speaker 1: and so then so then that's all I need to

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Speaker 1: do for the setup. Right now, my problem that I'm

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Speaker 1: like that idea. So A I might have somebody drop

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Speaker 1: me off, or be I might um talk to a

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Speaker 1: in their field. Now, why don't you want to park

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Speaker 1: on the road just because you're worried about your truck

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Speaker 1: getting messed with or you people know you're hunting there,

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Speaker 1: or what a little bit of both? Um, dude, I

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Speaker 1: there was a time when I was hunting back to

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Speaker 1: Shipwreck this big deer. In the first two years, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know, people must have recognized put me in

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Speaker 1: my truck together. And then the next couple of years,

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Speaker 1: And now I don't even hunt that property anymore. So

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Speaker 1: I got a question about that. Well, where do you

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Speaker 1: stand on stickers on your truck? Do you have any

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Speaker 1: details or stickers hunting related on your truck? Uh, not

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Speaker 1: on my truck. No, I don't have any. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for some of that, it's just a big

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Speaker 1: hey look at me sign And for me, I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you. But for me, I don't own property, don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't least property, So I can't tell you, know, hey,

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Speaker 1: have to be as under the radar as humanly possible

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Speaker 1: on some of the areas that I hunt. And uh,

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Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason I went with the

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Speaker 1: it's not flashy, it's not jacked up. And uh, it's

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Speaker 1: So it's just kind of no stickers. People they'll drive

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Speaker 1: they'll recognize it. Yeah. Yeah, I've bounced drawn on this

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Speaker 1: like tweet like, I think what you'd hunt is that

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Speaker 1: because there are some stickers that kind of made it

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Speaker 1: with that, Okay, okay, that that would be to take

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Speaker 1: all the decals that you've ever wanted to put on

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Speaker 1: your truck and put them on your wife's minivan. Yea,

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Speaker 1: my wife's car. No, no, no kids, no kids yet,

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Speaker 1: collector sticker, she needs rage in the cage sticker, she

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Speaker 1: needs what else? What's a popular sticker? That browning deer

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Speaker 1: right or the buck with the dough and then they

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Speaker 1: look like they're in a heart. That's pretty one of those.

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Speaker 1: That's perfect. Yeah, alright, I'm gonna get right on that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of your suggestions for what me and

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Speaker 1: my wife should do, I told her about your suggestion

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Speaker 1: last week that we should fumigate our camper with car exhaust,

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Speaker 1: and she thinks you're an idiot. So there's that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I need to have a sit down conversation with your

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Speaker 1: but you know, I'm a nice guy. I'm kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of cool in a way. I think she

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Speaker 1: thinks I'm some dumbass. She just thinks you're trying to

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Speaker 1: kill us dan camper. Well, if you do that, you're

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Speaker 1: the idiot. Yeah, it can be done. It can be

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Speaker 1: done and done right, trust me. So so we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: I have good news, though, But I have I have

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Speaker 1: dealt with the mice problem without needing to use car exhaust. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what do you do? How do you do it?

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Speaker 1: We used a multi pronged approach, utilizing several different mouse

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Speaker 1: up harvesting three. Oh we tagged three nice Uh well too, Well, heck,

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Speaker 1: I don't know I'm not sure if they're white ming

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Speaker 1: him like, oh, five months to kill it because he

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Speaker 1: were still alive in the traps, and and all the

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Speaker 1: questions people have had about nine fingers, this answers it

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Speaker 1: for you. Hey, Mark, we better start talking about deer

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Speaker 1: because we don't want any more negative reviews. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: get a couple of those, that's all right. I want

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing deer and thinking about dear. But number one,

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Speaker 1: I saw seven grizzlies in one day, a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: That is ridiculous. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Now that

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Speaker 1: get a little freaked out, like, uh, really, a grizzly

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Speaker 1: wanted to. Well, where we're camped right now, We're not

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Speaker 1: be that close where we saw these bears actually in Yellowstone,

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Speaker 1: about fifty miles south of us where there. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not worried about that. And I've I've camped a lot

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Speaker 1: then you think about a little bit more. But you know,

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Speaker 1: don't do anything stupid like that. And they're gonna mind

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Speaker 1: when I first started doing stuff, I definitely was really

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Speaker 1: nervous about it. But now I've I've gotten pretty comfortable

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Speaker 1: and um, on this hiking trip, it was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: We headed down there. We saw one black bear on

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Speaker 1: are um when we're getting our stuff together and everything,

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Speaker 1: on a spotting scope, and so you guys want to

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Speaker 1: see grizzly, Like sure, and there's a grizzly I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Joe Elsinger. Welcome the show. Joe. Hey, guys, thanks for

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Speaker 1: reading that, I was like, all right, I need to

426
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Speaker 1: get Joe on the podcast to dive into this stuff further.

427
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: So so that's what I want to do today. I

428
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: really want to get into a lot of things as

429
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: far as how you hunt, um, why you do the

430
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: things you do. But um, but before that, I guess,

431
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: can you just give us kind of the the Joe Ellisinger,

432
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: one oh one, what's your story? UM, how did you

433
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: get to this point? What's the evolution of of you

434
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: as a deer hunter looked like to this point. Yeah, yeah,

435
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: well I guess first it's a it's a little sury,

436
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: albeit on this podcast. I'm not gonna lie. I'm pretty

437
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: sure I've listened to every single Wired Hot podcast. Thank

438
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: you have a podcast, Junkie. Yeah, and I've listened to

439
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of Dan's the Nine Finger Chronicle podcast to

440
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: he does get a great job too, So who goes

441
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 1: to both you? I love it, so I know I'm

442
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 1: not the only guy. Um well that's all we need

443
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: for today. Guys, Joe, we're done with you. That was perfect. Yeah, yeah,

444
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'll promiso. I live in Iowa. I lived

445
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: a few other places too, and in between now and

446
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: growing up, but um, I kind of live in eastern Iowa.

447
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: I started a lot of I like a lot of

448
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: other guys, I started hunting at a young age, um,

449
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: small game deer. I worked my way up to deer.

450
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I think I shot my first year,

451
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 1: maybe when I was twelve years old. Um, but I

452
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: killed a pile of rabbits and squirrels before that, and

453
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: just I mean the first thing I remember hunting when

454
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: I was maybe six or seven, was I had my

455
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: baby gun and I was trying to shoot the heads

456
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: off grasshoppers and I beat him to the chicken. So

457
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: that gives the idea. I think I was born a hunter, um,

458
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: for better or worse, and I'm still that way. So

459
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: I was shot a grasshopper in a long time. So

460
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: uh so yeah, I mean I started both hunting when

461
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: I was thirteen or fourteen, and both hunted. I haven't

462
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: missed a season. Um. I've spent a lot of my

463
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: time here in Iowa, but I've the last few years

464
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: I've tried to branch out, kind of push my boundaries. Um.

465
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: I've gone el counting a few times, tagged a couple

466
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: of elk um, and I've started hunting deer up in

467
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin, which is really cool. I think I've learned

468
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: a ton up there. I've learned about as much up

469
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: there in the last three or four years as you know,

470
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: the last ten years down here in Iowa, because it's

471
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: completely different, different deer numbers, they move differently. There's wolds,

472
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's big woods. So um yeah, any

473
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Speaker 1: I guess anything specific you want me to touch on um,

474
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: fire away. Nice. That's definitely interesting to hear about that

475
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: unique perspective based on trying to hunt some different places. UM.

476
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be interested in hearing about some

477
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: of those differences and what you did learn. UM. But

478
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: I guess let's continue set the stage. Can you dive

479
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: into a little more detail in regards to what your

480
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: current hunting situation is, like, um in Iowa and then

481
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I guess you can. You can touch on the Wisconsin

482
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: is too. And I'm kind of curious about you know,

483
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: what are the types of places you're hunting. I mean

484
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: these big parcels, smart parcels, public, private, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah. Yeah,

485
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: So so I grew up, you know, hunting farms around

486
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: where I where I lived, Um, like a lot of

487
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: rural kids. UM. Yeah, I kind of grew out of

488
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: that when I went to school, UM and came back

489
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: and in the meantime, you know, you never keep access

490
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: to the same piece of private land for very long. UM.

491
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: And I've never had the opportunity to hunt any big

492
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, exclusive access hunting a state unfortunately. So UM,

493
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: I've transitioned more to public land. And I'm really drawn

494
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: to public land, UM because it's really a level playing field.

495
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: You know you and everybody else out there at the

496
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: same set of rules. You gotta play by anybody who

497
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: goes there with the tag and played by those rules. UM.

498
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: So you know kind of for the last decade, I

499
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: transitioned to just about uh well, I both hunt almost

500
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: all public land, and I still I hunt late season

501
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: and the muzzle older as well. UM. And I hunt

502
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: some private land there. Um. But for those that tune

503
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: that out, I'll just say I've never shot a deer

504
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: out of a food plot in my entire life. I'm

505
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: not one of those kind of hunters. Um. But so

506
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: I you know, I both hunt publicly and I cover

507
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot of publicly and I've learned, um you know,

508
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: unfortunate to live in Iowa hunt Iowa, and we still

509
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: have good age structure of the books four open access land,

510
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: but it's nothing compared to what you see MTV. I

511
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: can sure you that, um. You know. They I'll try

512
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: to find a four year old or older buck um

513
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: and to hunt every year UM and usually I try

514
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: to find four or five or six of those. UM.

515
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: But I have to cover like right now, I'm covering

516
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: probably five tho acres of public land UM across about

517
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: ten different parcels to find that that number of deer

518
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: you know, resident box to hunt. Sure there might be

519
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: a few more that drift through in the rut, but

520
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: UM got work your tail off to find them, you know.

521
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: And and they're not where everybody else is hunting. So

522
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure guys, guys have heard uh that song and dance.

523
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: You gotta you know, um, you gotta look where everybody

524
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: else is in huntings. But um, that's that's my situation

525
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: right now. Um. And I mean, I just love the

526
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: love the chase. I love. I love hunting down those deer,

527
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: you know, that's my passion, um, and anything else for

528
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: that matter, But UM, I really like the you know

529
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: that just a year round chase. I'm scouting year round. Um,

530
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: the day I kill a deer, the next day or

531
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, the next almost after, as soon as I

532
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: have that deer cut up and in the freezer, I'm

533
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: thinking about how to get uh, you know, next year's dear.

534
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, we we definitely can relate to that

535
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: for sure. Me and as you know, Dan and I

536
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: both were share in that year round obsession. UM, I

537
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: want you to elaborate on the on the scouting piece

538
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: because one of the things that you mentioned in that

539
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: Q and A that we published earlier, UM, was this

540
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: scouting journal that you kept and you kept track of

541
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: all the details of how much you scouted, how many

542
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: miles you walked, what you saw, all these different things. UM.

543
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through everything you could possibly share

544
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: with us about your scouting plans and strategy and that

545
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: journal and how all that helps you. Yeah, so so yeah,

546
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I did that journal. I think it was for the

547
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: two I was in a fifty year a couple of

548
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: years ago, but it's still very valid. UM. My strategy

549
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: of vaults a little bit every year, but it's the

550
00:28:54,840 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: same approach generally, UM overall. So so it really my

551
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: scouting starts. If you want to look at a year

552
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: in time, my scouting starts the previous season for that year,

553
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: and really, you know, every year kind of blends together.

554
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at stuff too from two years ago even.

555
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: But a big part of my strategy is keying in

556
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: on annual patterns UM and and I think that's extremely

557
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: important for anybody hunting mature bucks, UM, because by that,

558
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, if you're hunting mature buck, let's say, a

559
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: four year older older bock. Um. That buck has been

560
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: around several years, and so if you're not new to

561
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the area, you should have some observations from the previous

562
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: years and something's changed, but a lot of things stay

563
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: the same of how they uh, you know, how they

564
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: move across the land, what betting areas, they use, some

565
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: of their preferred food sources, how they move through there

566
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: during the rut and anyway the previous year. When I'm

567
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: not hunting, and um, I actually really don't hunt a

568
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: whole lot. I mean that sounds weird. I'm talking about

569
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: bow hunting, you know. Um, I I do a lot

570
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: more scouting the bow hunting. I probably do two to

571
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: three times as much scouting as actual bow hunting. UM.

572
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: And even if I have a tag, Um, I'm only

573
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: actually hunting when I think I'm going to kill a buck. Um.

574
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: And by no means am I only you know I'm

575
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: not bad to hunt a percent, I'd be thrilled. I

576
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: fellas bat and you know, UM, usually it's more like

577
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: one in ten or one in six to be honest,

578
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: in the last few years, UM, which is still pretty

579
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: darne good. UM. But I don't, you know, I try

580
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: to I try to get out there once or twice

581
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: a week, whether the scout or to hunt. Um. I'm

582
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: looking at tracks, Um, I'm looking I'm tying in previous

583
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: year's observations. I'm looking at food sources. UM. You know,

584
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: a big bucks pattern. Um, through the fall. I think

585
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys have a little bit of a

586
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: misconception of Um. You know, he's doing the exact same thing.

587
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: It's really changing day by day and week by week. UM.

588
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Early season patterns can be a little more extended. But

589
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: as you get in October, the ruts eating up food

590
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: sources are switching on and off. UM. Hunting pressure is

591
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: changing every week. You have season coming on and going off,

592
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: and more and more interested in does so. Um. You

593
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: really got to take advantage of something the instant and

594
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: you see it. Um, you know, oh you know, oh

595
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, he's frequent in this betting area and it's

596
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, the late pre rut there he's uh, you know,

597
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: he's probably heading this direction to nose around the dose

598
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: in the area and boot the hunt. It you have

599
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: the right wind, you kill him. Um. And Uh. Anyway,

600
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: I I'm scouting the previous Paul, the previous winter, I

601
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: mean through the winter. If they snow on the ground,

602
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: you can't really see a lot of that rot sign

603
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: or really any sign on the ground. But you see

604
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: deer tracks everywhere, and they may or may not be

605
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: in the same areas as the rest of the year. Um.

606
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: But you can just learn how they move across the land.

607
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: Find find a set of tracks and follow it around.

608
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: And for anybody new to tracting, I highly recommend that, like, um,

609
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, go tracks, just see how they move across

610
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: the land, because every terrain is different. You know, I

611
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: hud a lot of hills and farm country in eastern Iowa. Um,

612
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: and you know a little bit of big wits up

613
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: there Wisconsin. But uh, um, my bread, you know, my

614
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: bread and butter is is hill country, bluff country. Um.

615
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: And I know that very well. But and I couldn't

616
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: tell somebody who's hunting pancake flat land, um you know

617
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: how deer move him there. But I can tell them

618
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: how to find it out, you know. So Um, it's

619
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: you learn so much. I just follow the deer around.

620
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: I that when I was a kid, and that helped

621
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: my understanding it to your immensely. When you're doing that

622
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: and then comes splitting Yeah, when quick question, Joe. When

623
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you know, in the winter there's snow

624
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: on the ground. Um, like, are you are you just

625
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: walking and following around these tracks and just kind of

626
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: taking it all in and thinking about it and just

627
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: kind of out of curiosity following or are you following

628
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: a set of tracks and then like writing that down

629
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: and taking notes? Okay, I thought that, you know, most

630
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: of the tracks all can through this little low spot

631
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: in the field. Check that off in my journal. In

632
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: the future, I'm going to know that at this time

633
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: of the year they're coming through here. And then you're

634
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: looking for specific betting areas. I mean, I mean, how

635
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: detailed do you get with that? And is it kind

636
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: of just all in your head or do you record

637
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: it some way or what do you do with that stuff? Yeah?

638
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I take notes. Um, I probably take more

639
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: detailed notes than your average your average on or no doubt,

640
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: but I try not to get too details because I

641
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: mean I don't want to write page in the pages. Um.

642
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: And so it's a little bit of both. I mean,

643
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes I'm just following tracks for the heck of

644
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: it and see where they leave. Other times, for instance, um,

645
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: I killed a buck late season, not late season, late

646
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: November with a bow in two thousand fifteen, and um

647
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: in the spring. Oh it was it was like January,

648
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: so it was it was still winter of taous and

649
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: fifty and so almost a year before that. Um, I

650
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 1: was circling around this one betting area and I caught

651
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: this great, big square set of tracks coming out of

652
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: that betting area. There is a fresh snow, real fresh

653
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: sticky snow, and it was a northeast wind. Um and uh,

654
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: I followed the end and he bedded on the down

655
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: each side down wind side of a thicket, kind of

656
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: on a little point um public land. This is uh,

657
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, three quarters of a mile in from access.

658
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: It was probably almost a mile U. And anyway, um

659
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: here my two thousand fifties season was. You know, Um,

660
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: I was having a little hard time getting onto bucks,

661
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: a little harder time than usually getting on the bucks

662
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifty and here comes late in November,

663
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: and um that betting area. I knew, um that it

664
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: was a primarily a dull betting area, but I've seen

665
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: that big set of buck tracks going through there. Well,

666
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: I thought, what the heck, I'm gonna hunt that betting area.

667
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: It was late late rot. I figured a big buck.

668
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: My circle passed there on the downwind side, sent checking

669
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: for dose and it was potential for a buck even

670
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: betting right in there. Anyway, long story short, I saw

671
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: that book flitting through there, um, and I couldn't get

672
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: a shot. And I went back three days later and

673
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: set up and I killed him. Um, I was probably

674
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: set up within. I was set up in forty yards

675
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: where I saw the big set of tracks eleven months

676
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: earlier coming out of the bedding area, and I set

677
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: up there for a reason. I knew that was probably

678
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: how he was going to go in and come out.

679
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: So every time you see something like that, you gotta

680
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: take note of it. So in that situation was a

681
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: perfect example. That is a perfect example in that situation, UM,

682
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: can you tell us about how you how you set

683
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: up on that too, because okay, so you knew there

684
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: are tracks coming out of there the winter before you

685
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: went back in, did you? So you did two hunts?

686
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: I'm curious, did you change your location from night one

687
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: night number two or you know, when did you set up?

688
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: How did you do that in the middle of the

689
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: season like that? Yeah, So that so that was kind

690
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: of a quirky series of events because it was late

691
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: late November. Anybody who remembers that an Upper Midwest we

692
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: got a huge snow store. Um, I remember the exactly

693
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: It was around November twenty I think. Um. So the

694
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: first time I hunted there was right on the front

695
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: side of that snow store, and that big buck was

696
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: in there behind the dough late dough and heat. Um. Well,

697
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: usually I wear a snow camo and the ground's white, um,

698
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: and by snow came, I just wear plain white and

699
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: I think it blend in fantastic when the when the

700
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: ground's white, and I was actually hunting from the ground

701
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: because I knew so to give you a little better

702
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: idea of um, it was on the top of a

703
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: ridge and it was an old clear cut about twenty

704
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: years old, so it's all grown up, um, but nothing

705
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: big enough for a stand. And frankly, you wouldn't even

706
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: want to be off the ground because the canopy is

707
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: so low you can actually see fast if you're at

708
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: ground level. Well you're a ground level that you know,

709
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: you're prone to get timmed down by a deer. And

710
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened on the first time. Because I

711
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: was wearing, you know, my usual brown based camo and

712
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: everything was white out. I think I was wearing rain

713
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: gear actually because it was it was still snowing. UM.

714
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: And a doe pegged me and she busted out of

715
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: there and clear, and I just caught sight of that book. Well,

716
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was worth a second shot simply because

717
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, there was a dough that looked like she

718
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: was coming into heat and uh that we got a

719
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: foot of snow. So that actually it took I think

720
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: it was two days later. Um. It took that long

721
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: for the roads to get clear for me to get

722
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: back there, and I hunted there again, and sure enough,

723
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: here came this I set up. Basically, there was UM.

724
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: When deer enter betting locations, often they hooked in from

725
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the downward side. It's kind of called a jay hook. UM.

726
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: And that this is something UM that I'm a member

727
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: of the Hunting Beets website and I highly recommend that

728
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: place for anybody who wants to really understand white tailed

729
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: deer UM. In my opinion, it's the best, the biggest

730
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: collection of good beer hunters in the nation right now.

731
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: As far as an online forum period and the discussion

732
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: UM and Uh. Anyway, they talked about this jay hook

733
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: quite often, and I've witnessed as well. Well. I set

734
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: up on the downward edge of this cover, figuring they

735
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: were going to come kind of around the ridge and

736
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: hook into there, and sure enough, that's exactly what they did. Uh.

737
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: There was a doll came first, and it was actually

738
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: perfect because she urinated about thirty yards in front of me.

739
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: And the second hunt, I was wearing white camos, so

740
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I was sitting in a clump of saplings, completely blending

741
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: in and a foot of snow, so only half of

742
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: me was really sticking up out of the ground. Uh.

743
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: She urinated like thirty yards in front of me, and

744
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 1: that bot came following her and he buried his head

745
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: right in the snow. And that was that because I

746
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: had a perfect open shot. He was brought side, so

747
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: that is perfect. Yeah. Yeah, as soon as she was

748
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: peeing in the snow in front of me, I was like, yeah,

749
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: this is going to be perfect. So that Dan, What

750
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: do you think about this? Yeah? Now, you mentioned you

751
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: put in a lot more time scouting than you actually

752
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: do hunting, and I think I heard you say some

753
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: figures like one in six and one in ten. Does

754
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: that mean that it only took you ten hunts throughout

755
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: a specific year to to harvest your buck. Yeah? Yeah,

756
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean, um that that's a pretty good average. So

757
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: so let's see on public land last year, I killed

758
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: my buck on my second hunt toward the two thousand

759
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: and two thousand fifty, I think it was twenty hunts. Um.

760
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Like I said, I struggled mostly because I was going

761
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: after one buck in particular. So I ran off ten

762
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: or twelve hunts after one buck in particular. I probably

763
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: never should have. I never got him, but I came

764
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: so darn close a couple of times. Man, that was frustrating.

765
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: Two thousand fourteen, I killed my buck on my first hunt. Uh.

766
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: You know, in et cetera, usually usually I like, like

767
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, it sounds weird, And I'm not

768
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: bragging like I say that because I want people understand

769
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: how much work I put into preparing. You know, I

770
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: am exhaustive in regards to preparations. And I don't start

771
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: hunting you know this this passing. You know, I'll hunt

772
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: whenever I think I'm opportunity to kill a buck. It

773
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: might be early season, it might be pre rut, it

774
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: might be rut um. But until I think, okay, I

775
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: can go in and kill this buck, I don't start hunting.

776
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: I keep scouting. I keep I keep running trail cams.

777
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe we can get in a trail camstil later.

778
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: But um, you knowing areas, yeah, yeah, I'm looking for bucks,

779
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: and I'm looking for opportunities, you know, anywhere. You know,

780
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a high odds, you know, probability that

781
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: a buck is going to somewhere, you know that's where

782
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: it starts. It might be you know, bed the food patterned,

783
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: it might be you know, coming through a dough betting

784
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: area in the rut. You know, anything, um, anything that

785
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: I can intentionally, you know, go in there and find them,

786
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. But until then, I don't touch it,

787
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: and I stay out of there like the plague. And

788
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: I've learned that the hard way, you know. So, I

789
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: mean in high school, I would hunt every day I could.

790
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 1: I would hunt sixty eight times in the season. And

791
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: I started out hunting much like everybody else. You know.

792
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: I would have two or four or six or eight

793
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: stands pre hung at the beginning of the season, rotate

794
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: through them. By the time the rut came around, I

795
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: just hunted Holliday spots, you know, three or four six times.

796
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing hardly anything except non residents coming through

797
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: For the very first time, I was, you know, had

798
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: a huge impact on on deer in the area. And

799
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: about ten years ago I started hunting at more mobile

800
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of hand in hand with hunting more public land.

801
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: And you know, if there was any secrets to my

802
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: success when I started hunting mobile and when I you know, um,

803
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: really focused on you know, kind of first time sits

804
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: like that. Um, that's uh, I mean just night and

805
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: day different I saw in the dear activity I was,

806
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, I was catching deer by surprise. They were

807
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: not expecting to me to show up where I was

808
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: showing up. And even if I blew up an area,

809
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: I go somewhere else and I try it again, and

810
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't stop. So so I'm kind of going back.

811
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: How do you locate specifically these deer that make your

812
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: hit list? You know, say, okay, my goal is to

813
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: is to shoot a four year old? How do you

814
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: go about locating these these bucks? Yeah? Yeah, so, um,

815
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: I'll little bit of so scouting. You know, I'm always

816
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: looking for a really big set of tracks. Um, I

817
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: think most tunters underutilized tracks. Um. I know some guys

818
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: poke fun of me, like I'm I have a foot

819
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: foot fetish, apparently because I just look. If I see

820
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: a dead big buck, like laying the back of somebody's truck,

821
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: like everybody's grabbing their antlers, I'm looking at his feet

822
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: like I'm weird. You know. So what do you consider

823
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: a big track? Just for people that aren't familiar with

824
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, how can they tell if it's a big Yeah,

825
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: So a lot of guys use hand size. I use

826
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: hand size too. Well, Um, that's relative to the size

827
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: of your hands. And you know, I'm a fairly big

828
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: dude and I have kind of flippers for hands. So

829
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guys say a four finger track, Well,

830
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: four finger track for me is an alec so Um,

831
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: like like I measure. Um, I've measured a few tracks,

832
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: and like, I think the biggest track that I ever

833
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: measured s far as with So the width of a

834
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: track I think was like two and five as inches across.

835
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: And that's a not split out track and not running

836
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: track that's just standing you know in hard grounds that

837
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: doesn't think in real deep when they think in they

838
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: splay out more to um, so to give you an idea.

839
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: And and buck ofs you know up in Canada that's

840
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: probably not a very big buck, but here that's a

841
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: that's a wopper of a buck. Most books are probably

842
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: around uh you know, two and three ace to two

843
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: and a half inches across that that print at its

844
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: widest point and again not splayed out. That's just a

845
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: standing print like you'd find a screat. You know that's

846
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: a big buck. Um. And also you know I do

847
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: a little shed hunting. Most shed hunting for me a

848
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: second to scouting, And I think you have to you

849
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: have to pick your priorities. If you love finding shed antlers,

850
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: by all means, go find shed antlers, but know that

851
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna miss stuff scouting and vice versa.

852
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: I've walked by a bunch of shet antlers, probably because

853
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm busy looking off in trees and it rubs and scrapes,

854
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not looking explicitly for antlers. Um.

855
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: And then finally, you know, I rely on cameras a

856
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: lot um, And that was that was kind of perfect

857
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: segue question. I guess um, because um, I ties into

858
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: those late season paths or not like UH annual patterns

859
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about. I really like to watch look

860
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: at like up and comer bucks, and a lot of

861
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: those don't make it. You know, I'd say at least

862
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: fifty three year olds disappear, probably closer to seventy five

863
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: percent a three year olds disappear UM on the lance

864
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: that I hunt. UM. But you know, I'm looking at

865
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: all those. You know, that'd be a good buck. That'd

866
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: be a good buck. And if I just get one

867
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: glimpse of him that next year is a four year

868
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: old or you know, maybe you even make it to five,

869
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: and I have a couple of years of following him,

870
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, I just need one limps and I know

871
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: generally how he moves the area UM, and you know,

872
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I know some things he prefers and I might be

873
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: able to take advantage of UM. So my trail cameras,

874
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I've really focused on UM inventory and low impact monitoring UM.

875
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: And this is kind of all freely and this is

876
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: kind of a soapbox issue for me. UM. I think

877
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: a lot of guys misused cameras. I think, you know,

878
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: the average hunter thinks, Okay, you know, I'm going to

879
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: hang my camera by my stand, check it every week,

880
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: and I'll get a good buck on it, and I'll

881
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: go back and I'll kill him. Well you know how

882
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: often that happens? Basically never, Like I mean, the proof

883
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: is in I read tons of stories from successful hunters,

884
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, everywhere I can find him. I'll read a

885
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: story and I take note of details like that, like, Okay,

886
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: how did he find it? How did you kill it? Well,

887
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, you might have trailcamp pictures of it, but

888
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: did you intentionally kill at the location of the camera

889
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: or a near the location of camera? You know, yeah,

890
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: go buy a power ball ticket if you actually did.

891
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way, you know, for a couple

892
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: of reasons. It goes back to uh bucks. Patterns change

893
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: over the course of the fall. Like I said, so

894
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: there's a very good chance you're gonna be a daylight,

895
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, um. And secondly, just going in there and

896
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: check in, you're you know, you're intruding on that area,

897
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: you're leaving ground sent um, and you're a lerning him

898
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: to your presence. So and I know there's some ways

899
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: around that, Like I know, some guys have had good

900
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: luck checking them off the backs of foo wheelers and stuff.

901
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: But still I really like to focus on inventory so

902
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: I know what it bucks are in the area, and

903
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: then I refer to the previous years intel of how

904
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: to kill them a lot and stuff like tracks where

905
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: I can find tracks along field edges and all of

906
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: them for cameras long field edges sometimes and see what

907
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: direction they're coming. But I honestly it's pretty rare that

908
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: I put a camera and two yards of where I

909
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: intend to hunt. Um. In every situation is a little different,

910
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: but um, I'm hunting based on my scouting in previous

911
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: year's observations and those cameras. UM. In the fall, I

912
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: like to park them out there. UM. One that one

913
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: really thing I really like to do in the rut,

914
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: I drop him in two potential setups that I probably

915
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: won't get to hunt because, like I said, I don't

916
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: do that much hunting. Um, you know the exactly, you know,

917
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: especially during the rut. I'm not a huge fan of

918
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: hunting during the rout, mostly because of hunting pressure. It's

919
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't like hunting and brown to

920
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: other hunters. And that's all my property. All this public

921
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: land is shared access, um, and if everybody takes their

922
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: two weeks with publication, UM, which is all well and good,

923
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: But I like hunting all by myself in October UM

924
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: and and late season. UM. But anyway, drop in your camera,

925
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: leave a soak all rut, don't check it, don't hunt

926
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: nearby it, and then pull it. And that would give

927
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: you something to do in the winter. Analyze those photos.

928
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: What what patterns there are? Okay, when are the bucks

929
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: coming through? What direction are they coming through? Where do

930
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: you think they're coming from? Where do you think they're

931
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: going to? What weather conditions are they most this most

932
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: movement on? You know what types of wind uh wind

933
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: and such. You can gain so much intel from that.

934
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,919
Speaker 1: UM And I've really focused on doing that the last

935
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: few years. And I'll have time to you know, especially

936
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: during the rut when you're trying to take advantage of

937
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: an observation. You know, you might see a big buck

938
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: chasing a dough. You need to go hunt that right now. UM.

939
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: You know you don't have time to go take time

940
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: off and check cameras, so UM, I don't know. I

941
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: highly recommend doing that. UM. And you really learn a

942
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: lot about dear behavior, especially if you have you know,

943
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: several cameras, Like, I don't have a ton of cameras.

944
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: I know some guys run, you know, dozens of cameras.

945
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: I've got six seven cameras, um and uh but you

946
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: take all you know, if I can get four or

947
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: five of them out in potential rough funnels and then

948
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: line up those photos, you can see localized rot flurries.

949
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: You can you know, you can see when bucks passed

950
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: through areas. It's just fascinating. So can you elaborate on

951
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: specifically how you're setting up your cameras, I mean, like exactly,

952
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: like what height, what direction, what types of trees? Um?

953
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: You know, do you use any type of scent protocol

954
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: when dealing with those or anything like that to try

955
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: to minimize your impact, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah. Yeah, so, um,

956
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: I've had the best So all right, so I've I

957
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: put my cameras in public land, and to day, I

958
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: have not lost a single one to theft across my fingers.

959
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose one eventually, I know, I am. But

960
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: uh yeah, yeah, I probably just jinx myself, you know.

961
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, and I've been you know, for

962
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: around ten years or so. I could put them out

963
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: in public. Um. But I hang them high, and I

964
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: hang them far back, so I'm not looking for pretty pictures.

965
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: All I want is to be able to tell, like,

966
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, generally, Okay, this looks like it's the same

967
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: buck here as over there. Um, I don't need to

968
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: know if it's a thirteen pointer or a or a

969
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: you know at eleven. You know, I don't want to

970
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: know the basic typical frame. Um. So I'm off in

971
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: fifty ft back from where I think a buck is

972
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: going to pass through fifty um, and I I like

973
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: to hang them at the least. I reach as high

974
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: as I can, and I'm six five, okay, so you

975
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: know I can reach higher in most people. But I

976
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: like to carry a stick in with me. Put just

977
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: one stick on the tree, climb up and hang it,

978
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, eight ten ft off the ground, angled down

979
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: and it covers a really large area and so um,

980
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, early season, I really like to hang them

981
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: on food sources, okay, on field edges or or just

982
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: off the field edge because publicly, and you've got a

983
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: lot of people walk and field edges looking for a

984
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: tree stands set ups, So I don't want to lose

985
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: a camera there. I hang I'm just off the field edge,

986
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, major like ditch crossings and stuff lead bottlenecks

987
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: leading into the into the food source. I'm not looking

988
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: to get deer on on daylight at all, you know,

989
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: if it's an hour after daylight, perfect, because I've already

990
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: scouted all the betting areas behind that food source. So

991
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,479
Speaker 1: I went and behind. I would't be hanging a camera there.

992
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: I scoutered him in the spring and the fall, the

993
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: previous you know, UM and UH. I just want to

994
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: know who's coming through and about when they're coming through,

995
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, UM, and then into October. I really can't

996
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: beat those big primary escapes UM and once I'm not

997
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: hanging them on the where I want to hunt, but

998
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm hanging them they don't get the places that will

999
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: have the most bucks coming through, just to see who's

1000
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: there in the rock. I like rock funnels, UM, you know,

1001
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: ditch crossings, fence crossings, any pretty tight bottleneck UM that

1002
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: pushes pushes deer through. UM. I had him in a

1003
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: lot of squirrely spots that um are really tough to hunt. UM.

1004
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: But I can leave a trail camera there, so UM.

1005
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: I really don't take a lot of cent precaution. Um,

1006
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: I do a little bit um like like the really

1007
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: big stupid stuff. And this, this is the true story.

1008
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: I have smelled lavender cented hand lotion on somebody else's

1009
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: trail camera in the woods, like like I could only

1010
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: imagine like he squirted his wife. Yeah yeah, yeah right,

1011
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: like escorted Lavenger said his handlotion on his hands, like

1012
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: his wife's flotion or whatever. And I was like, oh,

1013
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang his camera. Well, I think you've been

1014
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: there several days, you know. I wasn't sure, but that

1015
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: that set was still there if I could smell it.

1016
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: A deer could smell that sucker from half a mile away,

1017
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: like to me, And that's like just a no brainer.

1018
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Other than that, I don't spring him down when you

1019
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: get him above beer height you know, deer I sight height. Um,

1020
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the ground, your ground sets still there. It will stade

1021
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: in a few days. That's why I really focus on

1022
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: long term deployments. If you're there checking them every week,

1023
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: your ground sent if you didn't get any rain, your

1024
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: ground sets still probably there at the end of a

1025
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: week with you know, with dry condition or you know,

1026
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: the stable weather conditions just last a long time. But

1027
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm leaving my cameras out a month or more, so

1028
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: I want a long term observation of you know, natural

1029
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: deer movement and deer you know, I know black flash

1030
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: is a new cool thing to have with cameras. I've

1031
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: experimented with a little bit. If I just playing a

1032
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: plane and for red camera kind of feed off the ground,

1033
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: deer have no clue it's there. So yes, yeah, if

1034
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: you're only checking your if you're letting your trail cameras soak.

1035
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: Like you said, long term deployment, and your goal is

1036
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: a four year old most of your most of your

1037
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: information is coming from the previous year then right in

1038
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: your scarring, so correct. How how do you know when

1039
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: you are going into a set that there is in

1040
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: fact a four year old buck working that area. Well,

1041
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: so I'd like one glimpse, so it may be a

1042
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: big set of tracks. Um. You know, I do a

1043
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of low impact scouting right before the season, and

1044
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: I do so I I shift my cameras. It varies,

1045
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: but a lot of times I shift them kind of

1046
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: months months. I may get them in the summer. Um,

1047
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, I like to check my cameras in September,

1048
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: A little while before October on those prime food sources,

1049
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: see who's around, and then I'll shift them into you know,

1050
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: monitoring scrapes and stuff. But if you know, if I

1051
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: see a big set of tracks, I see him in

1052
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: the summer, and I know I got him the previous

1053
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: year as well. Uh um boom, you know I'm you know,

1054
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 1: I'm ready um or or you know I'll I'll leave

1055
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: a camera soak all of October on a scrape, and

1056
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: then I'll move it to a rough funnel in November. Well,

1057
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: maybe I got a big buck there in October. Um.

1058
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: And you know, especially in scrapes, if it uh, you know,

1059
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: I always check the card when I grabbed the camera,

1060
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: and if I got a buck there, um a buck

1061
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in going after in the last several

1062
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: days or even just since the last rain, I'll go

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: out and try to find his tracks. Sometimes you can't

1064
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: find his tracks in front of the camera, but a

1065
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: lot of times you can, especially in a scrape, I

1066
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: can find those big tracks. Boom. I have an idea

1067
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: of tracks, and tracks are pretty distinctive. It's it's pretty amazing.

1068
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: Like I recommend guys, um take a photo of the

1069
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: next big buck, like, take a photo of his track

1070
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: or obviously the next big bucket shoot take a photo

1071
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: of his tracks, do that three or four bucks, and

1072
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: then line up both photos. You'll be amazed at the differences.

1073
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: I guarantee there will be differences. Some of chip toe,

1074
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: some of square toes, some of longer to some are

1075
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: wider um. Like, I mean it, once you start looking

1076
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: at the at the tracks, it's it's pretty amazing. Um

1077
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: the differences between individual box and kind of um. You know,

1078
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: one of the few benefits of not hunting highly managed

1079
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: land where you've got a ton of four year old

1080
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: running around. Usually there's only one, maybe two four year

1081
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: olds with have overlapping whole ranges on these public areas.

1082
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: So you know, if you see a big set, it's

1083
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: even more easilier, uh, you know, to say, okay, that's

1084
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: this buck. You know it's not one of seven bucks.

1085
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: So alright, briefly now we're going to pause for our

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: weekly white Tail Wisdom with our partners White Tailed Properties.

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Speaker 1: Here's producer Spencer new Hearth. This week with White Tailed Properties,

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00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: we are joined by abe A Dare, a land specialist

1089
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: out of southern Iowa, and Gabe is gonna be telling

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00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 1: us about what strategy changes need to be made when

1091
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: targeting mature bucks. Um. You know, that's when I deal

1092
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: with a lot, And I've deal with a lot with

1093
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: mainly with clients UM in the past, whether you know

1094
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: clients that back ground that you know looking for advice

1095
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: or clients and you know I've I've had hunting, you know,

1096
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: in in camp or whatever. And there's two things, UM.

1097
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: The one that I feel like has always worked the

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00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: best for me, UM when dealing with other guys is

1099
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: I feel like you've got to get somebody in the

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00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: frame of mind where they're more concerned about making a

1101
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: mistake than they are about killing an animal. And it

1102
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: blows you down because everybody knows that when you really

1103
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: get you know, when you get these bigger half year

1104
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 1: older five half year old deer, you know, things go quick.

1105
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, you start racing your mind spending and you've

1106
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: got to have a way to slow it down. And

1107
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: the best way I found to blow it down with

1108
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: people is to be more concerned about making a mistake.

1109
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,959
Speaker 1: I would really get a guy to the point where

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01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: he's coming back to camp with a phone picture of

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01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: a deer walking off going did I make a mistake?

1112
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: And he's telling me did then that I got five

1113
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: sex to make a decision. I'm gonna shoot this deer.

1114
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: Boom's done, you know. And so that's the big one.

1115
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: I think you've really got to be more concerned and

1116
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: in a frame of mind about I don't want to

1117
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: make a mistake. And then the second one is is

1118
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: you gotta be ready to not kill a deer. You

1119
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: gotta be ready to let stuff walk in eat tag suit,

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01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: you know. And so they're both really big ones. Um,

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01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: the first one is probably the hardest, you know, I

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01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: think get people that frame of mind. But then once

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01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: you get to that point and you are better at

1124
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: slowing things down, you are good at judging and and

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: being to recognize what kind of an animal you got

1126
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: in front of it, you know, And then you got

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: to get into that frame of mind where I'm good

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: if I don't harvest an animal this year. I'm good

1129
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: if I don't shoot a deer on this trip, you know.

1130
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: And so those are definitely the two things I think,

1131
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: you know right at the top, that the guy's got

1132
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: to get into when you're really starting to target you know,

1133
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: upper each class white tails. If you'd like to learn

1134
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Gabe currently has

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01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash

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Speaker 1: a dare that's a d A I R. So, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if I'm understanding right, I'm gonna I'm gonna like recap

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: what I've what I've heard so far about your bunch

1139
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: of overall high level philosophy. Basically, you're you're running cameras

1140
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: every year, collecting data. You are then checking inventory during

1141
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: the current season trying to determine if Buck X is

1142
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: still around, and if Buck X is still around based

1143
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: on a glimpse or a track or a picture of

1144
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: him on a scrape or something, then you refer back

1145
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: to previous year's trail camera data to help you understand

1146
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: exactly when possibly where to focus during the season. Now,

1147
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: the question, though, is is when to strike. And I

1148
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: think there's two factors that you've mentioned here or two

1149
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: hateg or as the factors to help you determine when

1150
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: to actually go and make that hunt, And I'm curious

1151
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: about how you rank them. So one would be the

1152
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: annual pattern. So you've got a trail camera picture of

1153
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: Mr Big coming through on November eleventh, and twelve maybe

1154
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: the year before and the year before maybe. But then

1155
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: the other set of factors that could influence I imagine

1156
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 1: they could influence when you would go to strike would

1157
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: be the um outside factors, whether um you know, moon

1158
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: phase or bar might press or anything like that that

1159
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: you may or may not take into a consideration. So

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01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious which of those is more important. So I mean,

1161
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: like if if in the past he showed up on

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: the tenth and eleventh, but the tenth and eleventh shows

1163
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: up and at seventy degrees, are you still going to

1164
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: go on for your first sitting there because the annual

1165
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: pattern or will the weather or whatever other factor make

1166
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: you say, now this isn't it? Yeah? A good question.

1167
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: Um yeah, So it's it's the win and the where.

1168
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: I probably didn't focus much on the where either. I

1169
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: can dive into that after I'll talk about the win. UM.

1170
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I how fanatical about being in the right

1171
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: spot at the right time. So there's your win and where.

1172
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: So the win, UM, I want to see the combination

1173
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: of factors come together, and I think that's how I've

1174
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: been able to be um, you know, kind of boost

1175
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: my odds. Um. I want here. I want to see

1176
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 1: a box come through. Like you say that, you know

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01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: the tenth level of twelve you came through last year. Well,

1178
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: what weather conditions do you come in through? Okay? Um,

1179
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: say it was on the tail end of a big

1180
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: cold front with a screaming northwest wind. Well this year

1181
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: we had that screaming northwest wind on the ninth Boom,

1182
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm there on the ninth, you know. Or maybe it's

1183
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: the screaming northwest winds not there till the fourteen. I'm

1184
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: there on the fourteenth. So, Um, it's that approximate time,

1185
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: not necessarily calendar day day. You know, it's absolutely not

1186
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: the calendar day. It's it's a spread of several days. Um,

1187
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: especially depending on the time of the year. Peak rot

1188
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: is really fickle, as you guys know. You know, you

1189
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: can go from great activity to you know, dead stop

1190
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 1: the very next day. Um. But uh, you know, bucks

1191
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: move from point A to point B for a reason.

1192
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, they're either you know, bed to food. You know,

1193
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, escape routes or they're seeking those

1194
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: you know. It's about that simple, um. And they move

1195
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: certain ways for a reason. Um. They use the land

1196
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: to their advantage, you know. And I hunt hills and

1197
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: I kind of under beginning to understand how big Bucks

1198
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: moved through these hills to avoid getting killed to stay

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: alive with age four and age five. Um, and they'll

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: they'll they'll move, you know, differently, but for the same

1201
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: reasons in different terrains. Um. But they they will use

1202
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: the wind to their advantage when they're escaping from danger,

1203
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: however that may be. They'll send check areas that they

1204
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: think dangers is it's dangers, and they'll use the win

1205
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: to their advantage when seeking does um and and uh,

1206
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: they also you know, are prone. Say it's seventy five

1207
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 1: degrees out in mid November, they don't you know, they're

1208
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna they move. They'll move a little bit, mostly at night,

1209
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: and otherwise they'll you know, just um, they can't sweat,

1210
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: but if dear can sweat, they'd be sweating. Um you know. Um,

1211
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: So if say that time period goes around, I know

1212
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: a Big Bucks in the area, I know he was

1213
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: cruising the previous year, but it was really cold. Now

1214
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: it's really hot. Well, what's a good water hole nearby?

1215
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 1: You know, um that I might be able to set

1216
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 1: up on instead. Uh, you know, so I really want

1217
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: to see several conditions line up. It's not just time

1218
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: of year, it's time of year and weather. Um. And

1219
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: and bucks will move differently. Makes sense paper leewards, floats

1220
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: and hills, um. We could you know, we can dive

1221
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: into bedding too. That kind of takes me into the wear.

1222
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: But it's regard to leeward slopes. They favor leeward slopes. Um,

1223
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's kind of a wind advantage. Um. And

1224
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: I see Bucks using uh, windward slopes too, you know,

1225
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: so they're on the side of the wind hits some

1226
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: and usually it's because there's not an easy access around

1227
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: on a leeward slope. Um. Let's see what else you know?

1228
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: And and other things like what elevation they're traveling on.

1229
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: Bucks really like to travel on that military crest for

1230
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: guys that don't understand what that is. Um. When you

1231
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: have a ridge, it's flatter on top and a steeper side,

1232
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: it's right on the side of the ridge where the

1233
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: flatter area breaks to a steep slope. Um. Um. You know,

1234
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: they favor the military craft traveling. That being said, they

1235
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: don't use that exclusively. They also have to avoid hunters um,

1236
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 1: and I see this a lot. Hunting pressure has by

1237
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: far the most impact um on deer movement you know, uh,

1238
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 1: over just about anything else. So you know, I didn't

1239
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: really mention that. While scouting, I want to cover, Um,

1240
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking for hunters signed too, and I'm pinpointing where

1241
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: the other hunters are hunting, um, both coming in from

1242
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: the public areas, and I uh like to hunt a

1243
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: lot of our the way spot. So actually I end

1244
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: up facing a lot of hunters coming in from adjacent

1245
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: private land even um because I can outwalk most other

1246
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: guys from the public parking lot um or you know,

1247
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: outswim or whatever. Um. You know, you gotta do it

1248
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: on public land. You gotta be where other guys are.

1249
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: You gotta um you know, if you want to hunt,

1250
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: if you want to kill deer that other other people

1251
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: aren't killing, you gotta hunt of where other guys are

1252
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: hunting and wherever that takes you. So for instance, on

1253
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: a you know I talked about bucks lined to move

1254
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: at the military crest, they also also like to bet

1255
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: at the military crest. Um. But you can have uh,

1256
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, if hunting pressure is mainly a pie in

1257
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: hill country, UM, say the access point is on the

1258
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: top of the ridge. Well, very few guys go down

1259
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 1: in the bottoms because you know, if nobody wants to

1260
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: drag a deer up at two three foot hill or

1261
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: several of them to get them out. So where did

1262
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: the big bucks learn they can survive? They start bedding

1263
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: down low. You know, I've got several instances like that,

1264
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: and I've killed bucks download doing that. So um they

1265
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: go wherever the hunters aren't. So that's kind of the

1266
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: first thing. If I'm looking at a new property, cross

1267
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: off all those areas hunters probably are, and you can

1268
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: scout them very lightly, but usually I just walk right

1269
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: through them unless I see something, you know, glaringly obvious

1270
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: that oh maybe there's no hunters around, and I'm focusing

1271
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: on a lot of times it's less of the property.

1272
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm time, there's only ten percent or less of the property. Um,

1273
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: a few acres here or there that it's either overlooked

1274
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: or other hunters aren't going, And that's where the big

1275
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: boys are living. You know, in daylight they're betting. So

1276
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: um at that that makes sense. That was good. I

1277
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: guess I tied into the I tied a little bit

1278
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: into the war you know, um, the but Bucks betting man.

1279
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: We could, we could cover a whole podcast of what

1280
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: I've seen, um betting behaviors. But yeah, um, well so

1281
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: around here, like like I said, the primary ingredient is security,

1282
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: you know. And I know that's allows the explanation because

1283
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: everybody wants something that they can just take and be like, oh,

1284
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: Buck's bed in here, because Joe says so, well, I

1285
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: can't say that, you know, I don't. I don't know

1286
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: your situation, but I do know that Big Bucks primary

1287
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: goals staying alive. So he's gonna bed where he can

1288
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: easily see here, smell something sneaking up on him, and

1289
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: he can get out of there preferably without the hunter

1290
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: or Kyo or whatever it is ever know when he's there. Um,

1291
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, so in hells Bucks love bed

1292
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: nun points you know on this little secondary ridges, um

1293
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: at the military crest, wind coming over their back, see

1294
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: that all the time. Well, you throw the hunting pressure

1295
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: into a into a uh you know, into a situation,

1296
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: and that's when I start to see some funky things

1297
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: like I'll see Bucks bending down low on real low

1298
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: benches and points. I'll see him you know, when you

1299
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: get into more open farm country, you see him betting

1300
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: on the tips of draws, their little ile in the timber,

1301
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: or even out on terraces. Um. And every single time

1302
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: you see a betted buck, um, I highly recommend you

1303
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: go there and you sit down in the bed. And

1304
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with that. You know, that's Dan Infalt,

1305
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: who runs the Hunting Beast. As the first guy heard

1306
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: talking about that, I absolutely agree. You know, go and

1307
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,799
Speaker 1: sit down with that bucks betting. Feel where that winds

1308
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: coming from. Almost always, unless you're in real thick cover,

1309
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: um And and it may not be wind based betting,

1310
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: almost always that winds coming over the bucks back in

1311
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: some quarter quartering way. At least he's watching downwind. He's

1312
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: got good visibility down wind. You just can't you can

1313
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: almost all the time with a mature buck, you physically

1314
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: cannot get in close to him without him busting out

1315
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: of there, you know, And to kill him, you gotta

1316
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: get as close as you can, but not bust him.

1317
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: So you might that might be two hundred yards, that

1318
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: might be fifty yards, dependent on the cover, you know,

1319
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: and in the direction you want. Uh, you know, you know,

1320
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: he probably wants to head out of that bed and

1321
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: set up and uh, you know, if he's home when

1322
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: you hunt there, uh, you can get him. So it's uh.

1323
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm I learned more and more about buck betting every

1324
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: single year, so I don't consider myself an expert, but UM,

1325
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: I mean the biggest thing you've got to take away

1326
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: is buck You know, bucks are you trying to stay alive.

1327
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: So wherever they're betting is where they know they can

1328
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: detect danger and they can get the hell out of dodge.

1329
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: So I got a question for you. Um, I've never

1330
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: uh and this is specifically to the farms that I hunt,

1331
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: and they're a mixture of uh, like those big draws

1332
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: with egg and all that stuff. So I have never

1333
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: found something that resembles a buck bed that is um,

1334
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: I want to say, used so much that there's white

1335
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: belly hair in it, you know, and stuff like that.

1336
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm I feel that on my farms there's different betting

1337
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: areas for different winds. It's specifically on some of the

1338
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: properties that you hunt. What do some of these buck

1339
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: bed locations? I know you've you mentioned it, but specific

1340
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: what do they look like? Yeah, that's a good that's

1341
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: a good point, um, because I think I think a

1342
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys get turned off, you know, they they

1343
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: get fired up thinking about buck beds and thinking about,

1344
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: okaymna hunt this bed and buck comes back every day

1345
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: for weeks on end, and I'm gonna kill him. It

1346
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, I don't see that either. I am

1347
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: probably just about kind of one hand a number of

1348
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: beds buck beds that I found. And I mean, you know,

1349
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: I well, you know, every mile or every year I walked,

1350
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, three hundred miles, two hundred miles scouting and hunting,

1351
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: so like a hugas amount of territory. Um. You know,

1352
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: I don't see very many buck beds worn to the ground.

1353
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: You know, bull shaped hair in there that are just

1354
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: getting a huge amount of youth. But most of the

1355
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: time in hill country, and you know, in hill country,

1356
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 1: I think betting is different than say in swamps, where

1357
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: there's very limited bedding areas, you know, and you have

1358
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: to bed in this specific spot, you know, on this

1359
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 1: group ball or you're sitting in water. Um. But in hills,

1360
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: a lot of times I see buck betting areas are

1361
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: very defined. Yet so you know, next time you see

1362
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: a buck bed, um look around and see you know,

1363
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 1: even a lightly use you know, one bed a buck

1364
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: betted here is a great big bed you betted here

1365
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: some time last several days. We'll look around and see

1366
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: if there's other lightly used beds, because three or four

1367
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: real lightly used beds equals a ton of use, you know,

1368
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: if they add you know, and that one might be

1369
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, twenty ft over that direction, and then another

1370
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: one might be thirty yards in this direction. So um,

1371
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I look at it. And they're

1372
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: lightly used, you know there there might be only you know, okay,

1373
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: the sign of that a buck betted there once in

1374
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: the last week, you know. Um, and uh when I

1375
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: see one, and quite often say on the same secondary

1376
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: ridge point, I'll find several lightly used beds, and then

1377
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: what I really like to find our one or two

1378
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: perennial rubs, so you know, they're the last year's rubs,

1379
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: and there's time marks from two years ago and three

1380
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: years ago on that same old tree, twisted narral tree.

1381
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: And man, that that just makes me, you know, the

1382
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: hair on my next stand out, because I know a

1383
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: buck has been using this location multiple you know, multiple years.

1384
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 1: There's clearly a reason. Um, And then I start looking Okay,

1385
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: what are the food sources in the area, what are

1386
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: the you know, during the rut, what direction is he

1387
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: probably go on? What direction are the rubs facing? Sometimes

1388
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: there's a rub line coming into that betting area. A

1389
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: lot of times there isn't necessarily a rub line, but

1390
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: out to three yards you might find a rub or two,

1391
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: and but they're facing into or out of that betting area. Well,

1392
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: that gives you a line of travel. You know, he

1393
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: was going that way, you know, on that particular time anyway,

1394
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: and not necessarily every time, but every every little bit

1395
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: a clue, and you can really piece together, um, you know,

1396
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the spider web of activity that

1397
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: he's got going on, and that that betting location is

1398
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: a focal point um, and you can just in herols.

1399
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: You can pretty much take to the bank where that

1400
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: that is where when he was sitting there, the wind

1401
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: was blowing over his back, so you can look in

1402
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: that and then you can match up, Okay, what day

1403
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,759
Speaker 1: was the wind there? While it was that day and uh,

1404
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, and continue to piece things together. So I

1405
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, I scrolled through historical weather all the time.

1406
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking comparing trail camera sightings too. Um, you know,

1407
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,679
Speaker 1: historical weather conditions all the time. I'm a spreadsheet nut.

1408
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: I keep a kind of spreadsheets, and especially if I'm

1409
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: after one specific book. I started logging when I saw

1410
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: him where I saw him? What weather conditions? Um, you know,

1411
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: I I go crazy. I'm looking at you know, barometric

1412
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: pressure and and moon phase and all that. So can

1413
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: you can you elaborate on those pieces there because we

1414
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about the factors the you know, I'm

1415
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: trying to think about the right way to categorize these

1416
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 1: factors are I don't know, weather, moon pressure, humidity, anything

1417
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: like that. What specifically are you looking for there? What

1418
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: do you think is important? What's not important? Um, let's

1419
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: hear about that. Yeah, so all right, UM, So admittedly

1420
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: I am I am. I'm a married I love looking

1421
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: at uh data or trends. I should put it that way, um,

1422
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: because I'm a deer hunting married you know, I don't

1423
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: wear a tie for a living. Um anyway, anyway, they

1424
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to think honestly. You know, if if

1425
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: you're out to look at one thing, look at look

1426
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: at well two things, look at stage in the rock

1427
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: and weather. You know, and I think you know, I've

1428
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: even heard you guys talk about, you know, paralysis by analysis.

1429
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: That's a dangerous thing. I mean, you know, you're looking

1430
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: at more things than you should be looking at. You know,

1431
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: you need to dial it down, focus on the big stuff.

1432
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to get distracted by little stuff.

1433
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, I mentioned the moon. I consider the moon

1434
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: a secondary factor. Some guys, you know, think it's loo

1435
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: need to even talk about the moon. But you know,

1436
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: I think I do see a few trends. But frankly,

1437
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at it that closely these days

1438
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: because I'm really focusing back on weather. UM. And you know, okay,

1439
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: so for weather, you have wind speed and barometric pressure

1440
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: and temperature UM and all precipitation too. But if you

1441
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: just look at temperature, barometric pressure and wind speed, UM,

1442
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: you know that that's complicated. Complicated enough UM, the temperature,

1443
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, everybody pretty much understands that. But you have

1444
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: barometric pressure and wind speed. Those are related. So when

1445
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: you have rapidly changing parametric pressure, that means your wind

1446
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: speeds rapidly changing. Sorry vice versa. When you have when

1447
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 1: you have high winds, usually that means your parametric pressure

1448
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: is rising or falling pretty fast. And uh, you know,

1449
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: hypermetric pressure usually associated with good weather low pressure, and

1450
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: so it's with bad weather. But not only do you

1451
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: have high, medium and low pressure, you have rising and

1452
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: falling pressure. So you know, you can have high and rising,

1453
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: high and falling you know. So it's it's bloody complicated. Um.

1454
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: So I can see how a lot of guys, you know,

1455
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: your eyes start glazing over and you're like, I'm not

1456
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: going to listen to that, but just my general observation.

1457
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: So obviously, you know, guys know, hey, we've got a

1458
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: cold front. It's gonna be good hunting. Well, I try

1459
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: to look, Okay, what exactly in that cold front makes

1460
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: good hunting? Um, cold fronts come in all shapes. Inside

1461
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: is big ones, little ones, you know. Um, the bigger

1462
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,440
Speaker 1: the better, obviously, the bigger the temperature drop and the

1463
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: larger the high pressure behind it. And you know, if

1464
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: a cold front might last three days, I'm not hunting

1465
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: all those three days. I want to hunt once in

1466
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: that three days, when is the very best time for

1467
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: me to hunt? Well that it relates a little bit

1468
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: too exactly when the you know what kind of pattern

1469
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: I have on a deer. But I mean, as far

1470
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: as best activity, I love when the pressure is high,

1471
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,759
Speaker 1: like the day after the cold front is just reaching

1472
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: the highest point, you know. And I've heard Mark Durry

1473
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 1: talk about that too, and I absolutely agree, Like you know,

1474
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 1: that first full day in the cold front is fantastic. Well,

1475
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: I also like a little later in the cold front,

1476
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: you can when you get us wind switch, and I've

1477
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: heard Mark talk about that too, the first south wind. Well,

1478
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a south wind per se,

1479
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: but just when that wind switches, I think deers start

1480
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: to frequent new betting areas um, and maybe enter an

1481
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 1: exit food source a little differently. Um. And you see

1482
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: really good deer movement then um. And you know I'm

1483
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: trying to I am usually hunting really tight to bedding,

1484
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: but I'm still looking for optimal deer movement conditions, even

1485
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 1: though you know, I'm not hunting food plots and stuff,

1486
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, but i want every extra minute that I

1487
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: can have with that big buck on his feet. Um.

1488
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: And I firmly believe he gets up a little earlier

1489
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: and moves around just a little more, you know, on

1490
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: those optimal days. So so that's weather um, you know,

1491
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 1: I mean temperature. My thoughts on temperature. You know, seventy

1492
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: degrees in early October, deer can move fairly well. Still,

1493
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: seventy five degrees in early November kills activity unless maybe

1494
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: you know it might be worth while hunting the water source. Um.

1495
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're probably only seeing anything on in dusk. Um

1496
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: about um. You know one thing and put turl cameras

1497
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: on water holes. And I've noticed a lot of use

1498
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 1: by Big Bucks right at mid day on warm days.

1499
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: Even they get thirsty in the middle of the day

1500
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: and they come in for a drink. But um, anyway,

1501
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: so you know temperature um. Wind speed in the hills

1502
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 1: has a huge impact on deer activity. The stronger the wind,

1503
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: the more likely those deer are going to seek shelter. Now,

1504
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot of guys say, say, you know, I've heard

1505
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: this a lot of times. It winds flowing thirty four.

1506
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 1: Deer arn't moving. I think deer move great. They're moving

1507
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 1: differently there. You have to get out of the wind

1508
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: to hunt them. And sometimes you know, your occurrens can

1509
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: get all of squirrely when you're setting up in strong wind.

1510
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Out of the wind the hills. UM but um, I

1511
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: love cold days with a screaming wind. You know, in

1512
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: October or November, deer just stack up on those sheltered

1513
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: leeward slopes and down low. Um. Not of some great

1514
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: hunts doing that. Um. And uh, you know everybody else

1515
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: is sitting at home saying the wind's too strong and

1516
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: deer at moving. But I'm seeing deer moving. They're not

1517
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: out in the wind. I wouldn't be either, although sometimes

1518
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: you have to be. It's crappy because you maybe third

1519
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: you up a tree and swaying and freezing to death,

1520
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 1: and down at the base of the tree, everything's nice

1521
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,759
Speaker 1: and calm up there. Just just to have a decent

1522
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: wind in that kind of situation. Joe, Um, how do

1523
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: you how do you hunt that situation? Because that's one

1524
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: of the things you always hear about, is that it's

1525
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 1: safer to hunt higher up because your wind is gonna

1526
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: be more consistent. If you go down low, it's more

1527
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: apt to have that wind swirling and or get detected.

1528
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: So on those windy days when bucks and other deer

1529
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: have moved down lower where they can be sheltered, how

1530
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: can you still hunt them down there without getting winded? Yeah? Well,

1531
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: good question, um, because it's tough. So for one, so

1532
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: one thing I didn't while scouting, UM A lot of

1533
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: times I take scent checker with me. Um. It's one

1534
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: of the same, one of many things I learned on

1535
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: the on the hunting beast. Um. I use um uh

1536
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: those little cotton fluffy from milkweed. Um, and that is

1537
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: by far the best scent checking um or the not

1538
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,799
Speaker 1: set checking jeez, confusing myself. Even wind wind checkers um. Uh. Anyway,

1539
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: you dropped those wind checkers um, and you can, you know,

1540
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: watch how they float down through the woods for quite

1541
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: a way, far further than just if you had a

1542
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 1: little squirt bottle of powder. I can't believe I used it.

1543
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I carried her on a squirt bottle of powder trying

1544
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: to check the wind for twenty years before I figured

1545
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: that out. Um. But anyway, so while scouting, UM, say,

1546
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: say we got a strong wind. While scouting, will drop

1547
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: into a low area that I know is you know,

1548
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: and this is outside of the season. UM. I probably

1549
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't be doing it three days before a hunter or something. UM.

1550
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: But I'll drop into a low area and I'll even

1551
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:12,559
Speaker 1: climb a tree and see, okay, you know you can find,

1552
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: you can see funny things in the hills. Um. You know,

1553
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: a wind wind can be coming over a ridge, a

1554
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: real strong wind, and you can get on that leeward side.

1555
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 1: Verbals can be rising. But if it's real cold and

1556
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,919
Speaker 1: cloudy out, you won't have a whole lot of thermal activity.

1557
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: You'll actually have a vertical updraft. And it's a fluid

1558
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 1: mechanics thing, all right. So um, that strong wind over

1559
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: the top of the ridge is actually lower pressure and uh,

1560
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: the wind is just moving constantly up that leeward side

1561
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: and you actually can hunt that leeward side down low

1562
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: if you need to, and that wind will be coming

1563
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: up in your face going up the ridge really consistent. Um,

1564
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty amazing up until then will start really

1565
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: falling hard, which might happen in day like my not

1566
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: depends on weather conditions. But um, usually I don't go

1567
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: into a low area unless I tested out first, Um,

1568
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, just to be clear, like like hunting down

1569
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: low and tricky. And I really like to you know,

1570
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: that's you know, I coper my bet so uh, I

1571
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: like to know. I you know, I win there in

1572
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 1: March and I dropped, you know, and I should have

1573
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: a wind just consistently, even though it's forty miles an

1574
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: hour up on the ridge top, you should be five

1575
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: to ten down there, and it's just gently blowing down

1576
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: the valley, you know. Um, and uh, you know I

1577
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: can usually get that, and then sometimes we'll just get crazy,

1578
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: squirrely winds. I have spots. I have a long list

1579
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: of spots, and I can't hunt because I don't have

1580
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: a consistent wind. And that's something I feel strongly about, Like,

1581
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 1: I will not haunt a marginal wind. I want something

1582
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty darn consistent. I won't even I won't even try. Um,

1583
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: I've had you know, I've done that many times for

1584
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: the past, and I learned my lesson. You know, you

1585
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: push a marginal wind about nine times out of ten,

1586
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work, you know. So, um, how I

1587
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: guess that's a little bit on that. Yeah, how close

1588
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: do you cut it? Though? Because I think with some

1589
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: of the things you're talking about, and maybe you haven't

1590
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 1: mentioned this specifically, but a lot of people we talked

1591
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: to you talk about trying to cut the corners on that.

1592
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: So they want they want to they don't want to

1593
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: use the marginal wind too often. But at the same time,

1594
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: they want to try to take advantage of how mature

1595
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: buck will use the wind. So you want that buck

1596
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: to think the wind sort of his favor. He's using

1597
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the wind in some way, but somehow you're able to

1598
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: just cut it. Do you do you do you think

1599
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: about that way when you're setting up? Yeah? Yeah, all right,

1600
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: So oh let's see. So I see bucks using the

1601
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: wind to their advantage a lot of times around destinations.

1602
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: So when they're coming back into bed, they try to

1603
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: hook into the wind to get the wind in there

1604
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: their nose. When they're entering a food source, I often

1605
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: see them enter from the downward side or even just

1606
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: a low area. They slip into the lower area. While

1607
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: that's a site advantage they're not skylined, but it's also

1608
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they're entering, say right at

1609
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: last light or right after dart, those thermals are falling

1610
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: and they're pooling in those lawyer areas um and also

1611
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: low areas and hill country in the pre rout bucks

1612
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: like to move through those lawer areas and they can

1613
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: scent check the surrounding ridges. So outside of those destinations,

1614
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 1: I honestly don't I think bucks moving across wind, moving

1615
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 1: a tail wind. You know, if if they don't think

1616
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 1: there's danger right next to them. Um, you know, I

1617
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of bucks with the wind blowing

1618
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: on their back. I've killed a lot of bucks on

1619
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: a cross wind. Um. It's only around those specific destinations.

1620
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of times I am hunting

1621
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: close to a bed. But say I find jay hooks

1622
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,759
Speaker 1: to be relatively small, say less than a hundred yards.

1623
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: You know, he comes in and he's gonna be coming

1624
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: by like fifty yards down wind to the bed and

1625
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: then hook in. That's just an example. Every situation a

1626
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: little different. But I might set up a hundred and

1627
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: fifty yards from the bed and kill him. And a

1628
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: cross wind, you know, so um, I you know, every

1629
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: situation is different, and you guys probably probably know that.

1630
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: But um, I will if I need to, I'll i'll.

1631
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: You know, the closer I the closer I have to

1632
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: cut it, the more careful I am. You know, I'm

1633
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:39,479
Speaker 1: usually not hunting down in the valley with a butt

1634
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: coming in from thirty degrees down wind, you know, almost

1635
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: straight in from down wind, because it's just naturally download

1636
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a little squirrely wind. But if I

1637
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: can get him coming in across with you know, across, um,

1638
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty confident I can kill him, unless you know,

1639
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: hunting gods are against me. Yeah, unfortunately seem to be

1640
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: against me more often than that. So, with with all

1641
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:10,440
Speaker 1: that said, when do you choose to be aggressive? Yeah? Yeah, so,

1642
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:16,560
Speaker 1: um it's a loaded question. I mean it takes experience,

1643
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, And I just to be clear, like I've

1644
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: screwed up so many times, like like and every single

1645
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: screw up you know, I mentioned that that written are

1646
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,839
Speaker 1: view on wire time, like every single screw up valuable

1647
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: because you can learn something from it. So when when

1648
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: should I be aggressive? Well, I've learned to favor being aggressive,

1649
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, and not every time. But if I'm going

1650
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: to make a move, I'm going all out. I'm not

1651
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: sitting in an observation set. All there are times when

1652
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, observation sits makes sense. But if I think

1653
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: a buck is going to be using a betting area,

1654
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right next to his betting area. I'm hunting it.

1655
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: In the evening, I'm hunting, you know, just out of

1656
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: sight and sound and scent of him, just just over

1657
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 1: the hill basically. UM. Usually, or if I'm hunting in

1658
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: the morning, I'm hunting in there. You know, I'm getting

1659
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: in there before he cuts home. He's either if he's coming,

1660
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him. He's gonna bust me. His game over,

1661
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to another one. So but you

1662
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: know I'll do that once. Boo, that's it. And then

1663
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of why. UM. I stacked the deck

1664
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: by lining up you know, six or eight high odds. Uh.

1665
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: You know high odds set ups, and I hit them all.

1666
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: You know, I and the high at the best of

1667
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: the best. I'm not trying to hit one twice. I'm

1668
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: not worried about hunting one twice. Occasionally I'll hunt hunt

1669
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: one twice like this. Uh. It's kind of a perfect example,

1670
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I guess to answer your question, dan, Um, I had

1671
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: camera sitting there in August and September on which is

1672
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:05,640
Speaker 1: off the edge of um a felf field, a public land,

1673
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and I got this really big bodied nine pointer coming

1674
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: in routinely and he was frankly, he was on the

1675
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 1: best pattern I've ever seen. He was just after dark

1676
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: coming into this field. But I think I got him.

1677
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a bunch of times over

1678
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: a course of a month. I slipped in camera was

1679
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: in an easy access point um right an edge of

1680
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 1: the field. A lot of other guys walked the field

1681
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: and that that deer never showed up in daylight usually

1682
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: didn't um. I think once or twice he did actually

1683
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: show up in daylight. Most of the time it was

1684
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: after dark. Well, I knew he was betting on private land,

1685
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: but the public land extend a couple hundred yards back

1686
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: into the woods. Um. And then I where I suspected

1687
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,560
Speaker 1: his betting was um was there's several big knobs I

1688
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: could tell from Google Earth. It's been recently logged, so

1689
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: it was fairly thick um on a ridge a couple

1690
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: hundred yards beyond math Um. So I knew as soon

1691
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: as I and he was entering from that side of

1692
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 1: the field. Almost all the pictures were from northerly winds,

1693
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: and that lined up to that that those you know

1694
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: betting on those knobs, those were leeward slope. That was

1695
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: on a leeward slope for a northerly wind. So I

1696
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: wanted to take advantage of that pattern as soon as

1697
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 1: I could. UM it was an early season you know.

1698
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 1: If I could kill an early season book, this was it.

1699
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Um and uh So I think October one, I had

1700
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 1: a north northeast wind or something, and I snuck in

1701
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: there set up, you know, fifty yards from the property

1702
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: line probably and I didn't see him, but I saw

1703
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: um there there was a little eight poter that often

1704
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: traveled with him, and that eight pointer came through. And

1705
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: then I had also heard chainsaw and basically an exact

1706
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: spot where I suspected he was betting a couple hundred

1707
01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: yards further on on the private um. So you know,

1708
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 1: so I thought, well, maybe that chain saw disturbed him.

1709
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: So a week later, November or October seven, I think,

1710
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: um and and I should mention I got in there

1711
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: in the previous year too, using this food source. So

1712
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: it was an early season food source. That's one thing.

1713
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 1: He was coming in a consistent wind. That's a second

1714
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 1: baryo of the lining up. Um. You know, and I

1715
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: could hunt fairly close to where I thought his betting was.

1716
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 1: As kind of a third thing. Um, So that's what

1717
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I you know, those three things lined up, and that's

1718
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: what I'm not looking for just one thing. It's a

1719
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: series of things lining up, Boom, take advantage of it.

1720
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 1: October seven, I moved in. I actually hunted a different spot,

1721
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: and I was hunting for Maturio was on the ground

1722
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: um that I hunted. Maybe I moved maybe thirty yards

1723
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: because I suspected that big buck had come in and

1724
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: the course of that week had smelled where I was,

1725
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: and he was not going to come with him bullshadow

1726
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: that tree. So I moved thirty yards and here I

1727
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: was yards from the fence now, and that big buck

1728
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: came in and I killed him, um, And he was

1729
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: about twenty five yards of me. I shot him right

1730
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: after he jumped the fence um onto the public land,

1731
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: and he was twenty five yards down wind to me,

1732
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: and he would have been fifty yards down wind of

1733
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 1: the tree I originally hunted. I am certain he was

1734
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: down there for a reason. He was gonna he was

1735
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 1: coming through right there to smell if a hunter had

1736
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: been in my first tree, um, because that's where i'd

1737
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: been a week ago, you know. So that's the case.

1738
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: You know, I hunted that twice, um, And And to

1739
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: be honest, it was a gut feeling. I couldn't easily

1740
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: not seen him that second hunt but I did. I mean,

1741
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 1: it was just and that comes with experience, you know,

1742
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: you gotta and an experienced only comes from screwing up

1743
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,240
Speaker 1: thousands of times, you know, but you gotta learn from

1744
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 1: your mistakes. So um yeah, yeah, I guess that cultfully,

1745
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: I've answered your question. So we've talked out this idea

1746
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 1: of when to be aggressive. We talked earlier about how

1747
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you're finding where these deer are. We've talked about the

1748
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: right conditions to strike, um, but one thing we haven't

1749
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: really heard about is how you're specifically setting up on them.

1750
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: Because you you've mentioned a number of times almost all

1751
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: these hunts are first time sits in a spot, so

1752
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 1: that means you're you know, you've either set up stands

1753
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 1: in the summer or spring, or you're going in there

1754
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: and you mentioned your mobile lot, so you're going in

1755
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: there and actually hanging and hunting that day of Can

1756
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: you tell us specifically, you know, how you're hanging and

1757
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 1: hunting these spots without you know, without spooking deer, and

1758
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: whether it be specific gear you're using, or things you're

1759
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: thinking about while you're setting up, how you're setting up

1760
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah. Um, yeah, So so while scouting.

1761
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: I want to pick. Um. Hey, I realized I did

1762
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 1: proble must do it allows your job by explaining what

1763
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: I did scouting, because all these questions you're asking answering me.

1764
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm scouting. We could just be

1765
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: the hosts. We might be yeah, yeah, that's all. You've

1766
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: got a lot more I think. I'm pretty sure you've

1767
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 1: got more practice doing your thing than I do doing this,

1768
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: So it's probably me. Yeah. Um, I'm picking trees, um

1769
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,679
Speaker 1: and marking turees. I just got a GPS actually UM button.

1770
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 1: Before that, I was still picking trees and marking them

1771
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: that I want to hunt out of in the spring. Um.

1772
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: And also I do a lot of hunting from the ground. Um.

1773
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: I do a lot more hunting from the ground and

1774
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people I think, um, and that's got

1775
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 1: you in a separate tangent. But I'm picking spots to

1776
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: set up on the ground now, um, just real quick

1777
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: ground hunting. It's really tricky. You've gotta have the element

1778
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 1: of surprise on your on your favor a feel things

1779
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: I look for. I want to see dear coming from

1780
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: a distance at least fifty yards away, and I don't

1781
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 1: want you know, I wouldn't set up on the ground

1782
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 1: in the middle of the dope betting area. You know,

1783
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: it's got to be a very safe location, you know,

1784
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 1: in terms of number a year around you. Um. But

1785
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of big box with a bow

1786
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 1: off the ground. Um. And I'd say mostly it's because

1787
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Element a Surprise. They had no clue a human is

1788
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 1: going to be there until you know they came through

1789
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: and they caught my arrow. So um. And I'm not

1790
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: using the pop uplind. I hate pop uplines, you know.

1791
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean they serve a purpose, but I just hate

1792
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 1: hunting out of them because I feel boxed in, you know.

1793
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 1: I it's like you sitting in a cubicle band. That's

1794
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: how I feel sitting in the pop up blinds. So

1795
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 1: so um, I'm building just a rough line. It doesn't

1796
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 1: even look like a blind. I'm leaning up three or

1797
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: four logs against a tree, just enough to break up

1798
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: my outline. It really does not take much and not

1799
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: be skylined. Things like that, and Element of Surprise can't

1800
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: get over that. You know, on at once works doesn't work,

1801
01:38:56,280 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: move on and then from hunting from a tree. Um.

1802
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: The last few years I've I've used. You know, I

1803
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: used to hang stands before the season. Now I haven't

1804
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: hung a stand on public land and I don't know

1805
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 1: several seasons at the very least, Um, I don't on

1806
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: a tree sandle. Mobile is the way to go. Um.

1807
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to convince somebody who's used to

1808
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 1: hunt out of a ladder stand or out of a

1809
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: thick stand to some kind you know all season long, UM,

1810
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: to try mobile. It's like it's so much work. Are

1811
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: you insane? You know I've got I'm sure you both

1812
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:34,760
Speaker 1: of you guys have gotten that too. I know you

1813
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: guys you know hunt, you know you running gun? Um,

1814
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 1: But like you just it's incredible. How much more success,

1815
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: how much more quote unquote luck I've had hunting mobile

1816
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: than when I hunted fixed sufficial stands. Um And uh,

1817
01:39:52,680 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: so you know I'll use climbing sticks. Get up there. Um.

1818
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: I I've actually built a little kind of a rest

1819
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,560
Speaker 1: on the top stick. So that's what I seek. Go

1820
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 1: sitting in my tree saddle. Um And uh. You know,

1821
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm probably hunting out of a tree sixty of the time.

1822
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: But even though I'm hunting out of a tree and

1823
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: the majority of the time I'm killing most of my

1824
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: big bucks on the ground, and that's just something I

1825
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of just realized the last year or two. I

1826
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 1: was like, wow, you know, uh, something's going on there.

1827
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: And frankly, I'm still kind of steady in that um.

1828
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: And I think it's because I'm hunting places that you

1829
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,640
Speaker 1: really can't realistically hunt from a tree. Maybe there's a

1830
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 1: tree there, but the you know, the when I killed

1831
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: in he that busted me in the tree or there,

1832
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: or maybe there is noble tree there, you know, like

1833
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: the buck I talked about back. Um, you know they're

1834
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 1: the trees were you know, two to three inches in

1835
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 1: four inches in diamee, probably not even four inches in diameter.

1836
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, I would have had a hunt fifty yards

1837
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: away to have a hontable tree on the edge of

1838
01:40:56,439 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 1: that cut over. And even then, uh, you know, srimming

1839
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: is illegal on almost all Iowa publicly hounds. Maybe there's

1840
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: something it is, but as far as I know, you're

1841
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: not supposed to cut any branches. I would have had to,

1842
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, break the law and cut this human shooting lane,

1843
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 1: which I wasn't gonna do into this clear cut um

1844
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,759
Speaker 1: old cutover just to be able to shoot through that canopy.

1845
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: Um and uh, and you know a deer to detected

1846
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 1: that anyway. So um, yeah, that's hunting where I need.

1847
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: You know, let the deer tell you where you need

1848
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: to hunt, and then you just have to commit to

1849
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 1: hunting there one way or another. And I've gotten busted

1850
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 1: on the ground, uh, you know a number of times. Um.

1851
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: But I've also you know, I've also busted a few

1852
01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: bucks doing it too. So well, that makes sense. Um,

1853
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: And I think that what you're saying there is consistent

1854
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 1: with a lot of the best hunters and mature bucks

1855
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: that we talked to. So many people prioritize that first set.

1856
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: So many people prioritize getting into those places and taking

1857
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: advantage of that element of surprise, whether it be in

1858
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 1: a tree or on the ground. But I think by bye,

1859
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: by being mobile in that way, by not hanging stands beforehand,

1860
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:13,160
Speaker 1: and and by forcing yourself to be mobile. While it

1861
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: has that inherent challenge and it's more work that you

1862
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: have to do in the moment, it kind of makes

1863
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: things easier for you. And the fact that you don't

1864
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 1: get lazy like me. I've got a bunch of stands

1865
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: pretty hung in a bunch of places. I'm always tempted

1866
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 1: to get lazy, because yeah, it could be mobile, but

1867
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: I've already got this great spot here that's all set up. Um,

1868
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 1: do I really want to go through all that work? Um,

1869
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you're constantly battling that temptation. While in a situation like

1870
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: where you're talking about, where you just simply have to

1871
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: set up a new stand or sneak into a new

1872
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: spot in the ground, it's much more likely that you're

1873
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:47,720
Speaker 1: going to be able to take advantage of that first

1874
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: time opportunity just because you've kind of set yourself up

1875
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 1: for it. So I like, I like, I like the

1876
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: way you're approaching that, and I've got I've got one issue. Um.

1877
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 1: The bad news here is that I would like to

1878
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: keep talking to you about this stuff for a long

1879
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: long time, because we're talking about really in some things.

1880
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 1: But we have a hard stop coming up here in

1881
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: a relatively short amount of time, and I want to

1882
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: make sure I get to at least one final set

1883
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: of questions that I have. UM, and Dan might have

1884
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 1: something final two, but here's my question for it. My

1885
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 1: final set of questions. It's a two parter um based

1886
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: on what I've heard from you today. Um, And based

1887
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: on the fact that you you said earlier that you've

1888
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 1: probably listened to every single episode of the Wintertime podcast,

1889
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 1: and from what I'm hearing you, you analyze things to

1890
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: great detail. You really look at the the details. Um,

1891
01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 1: you dig it on stuff. So if I had to

1892
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 1: make a guess about you, I would imagine that after

1893
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: hearing me and Dan talk about how we hunt over

1894
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 1: the course of a hundred and fifty episodes, you've probably

1895
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: you've probably picked up some things about what we're doing

1896
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: and maybe have some thoughts on what we're doing right

1897
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: or wrong. So here's what I want to know from you, Joe.

1898
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 1: And if if you don't want to answer this, you

1899
01:43:57,160 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: don't have to. But yeah, here's what I like to

1900
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, So, based on what you've heard me

1901
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: and Dan say about how we hunt, I would like

1902
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 1: to know what you would recommend I change if anything

1903
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 1: in how I'm hunting, or if there's a specific thing

1904
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 1: you've heard that you think that maybe I screwed up

1905
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: or anything. Then and then number two, what would you

1906
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: say for Dan in that situation? Oh? Boy? Oh, let's see. Well, okay,

1907
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: so all right, So the first thing, and I don't really.

1908
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: It's don't really have a reason for this first thing

1909
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 1: that pops into my head regards d N. So I'm

1910
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: gonna start there, M yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Uh one.

1911
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:49,280
Speaker 1: So there's one thing, and you're probably gonna say hell

1912
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: hell know of this. So run your trail cameras like

1913
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,440
Speaker 1: you normally do all summer long, right in come September.

1914
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: Put a padlock on everyone in your cameras so you

1915
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,640
Speaker 1: can't open them. Put those keys in an envelope and

1916
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 1: mail that envelope to me, and I'll mail it back

1917
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: to you, and I'll mail it back to you and

1918
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: in November. Okay, so you can get back into your cameras.

1919
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: But I mean, you've got so much going for you.

1920
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: Then you're hunting mobile because you have you know how

1921
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 1: hard it is to hunt. Convinced somebody to hunt mobile,

1922
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,760
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, well, you know, like you've never done

1923
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: that before. You know, you're running a gun and you're

1924
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: on You've got slop bucks running down there round you know,

1925
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: behind every tree in southern Ile, right, Um yeah, but

1926
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: like don't pay attention, like I swear I've heard you say, man,

1927
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: I was a day late or you know a hunt

1928
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,799
Speaker 1: light or whatever, like ten times on podcast. It's because

1929
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: I swear, I don't know. I think you're hunting with

1930
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: your cameras too much, like use them to hunt, but

1931
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 1: not like, oh there's a buck there three days ago,

1932
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 1: it's hunt there. Just ignore that, like for the time being.

1933
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: That put it in the bank, and you know, um

1934
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: pull it out and telling me. You're telling me that

1935
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 1: I should rely on last year's data than this year's data. Yep, yep.

1936
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 1: And I know you know, I listen to your podcast too.

1937
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: I know you're using UM uh that that that software

1938
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: package that helps you analyze trail cameras, and you know

1939
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: that's a great tool by all. You know, if you're

1940
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: comfortable using it, use it. UM. And you've said you've

1941
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,879
Speaker 1: been noticing a lot of things. I mean, that's exactly

1942
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:34,719
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. So look at you know when

1943
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 1: peak rut movement is when a big buck is you know,

1944
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: moving honest feet in daylight, you know, and what conditions

1945
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 1: you know it's not you know, maybe it was November

1946
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 1: fifth last year, it's not necessarily going to be November

1947
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: five this year. But within a few days of that,

1948
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: with similar weather, he's probably gonna be there, you know,

1949
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 1: you know if you got the lucky there last year.

1950
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: You know, guys don't forget something like that, you know.

1951
01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: So Um, one question, one question to elaborate on what

1952
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 1: you just told me. Let's say I go in and

1953
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:11,559
Speaker 1: I hunt a tree stand right, that's maybe just up

1954
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: from a pinch point, and I got a trail camera

1955
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: down in that pinch point. Should if I go in

1956
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: there to hunt, should I go down an extra forty

1957
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,960
Speaker 1: yards to check that camera? Or should I still just

1958
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 1: forget about it? Um? I would probably if I had

1959
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: to cross any deer trails whatsoever, I would probably forget

1960
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: about it, like any more deer trails, or I would

1961
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 1: check it. If I really didn't, I was like, you

1962
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 1: know what, I'm probably not going to come back here

1963
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 1: in hunt. Then go ahead and check it if you're

1964
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: if you're realistic, you know, and who knows, maybe you've

1965
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: got bucks running all over on camera and that will

1966
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 1: give you, you know about even then I'm like, okay,

1967
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: you left more set there, um, But I don't know.

1968
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I I have learned a lot more, for instance, I'm sure,

1969
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: And so I'll hang a camera and sometimes I'll have

1970
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: a big buck, you know, immediately, but usually it takes

1971
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 1: three to five days after I put hang a camera

1972
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:16,639
Speaker 1: to see what seems like natural movement. And I only

1973
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: know that because I left in a month. You know,

1974
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: in that first three to five days, movements really intermittent,

1975
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: and I swear it's because I left ground step there

1976
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: and you know, some deer reacting to it some day

1977
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 1: or noticing it. And then I'll stay away for a while,

1978
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: but then eventually you'll come back. And if I leave

1979
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: that sucker there for a month, that last three weeks, um,

1980
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 1: you know, and yes, and I even see that, I'll

1981
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 1: leave a camera there and I'll get another hunter walk through,

1982
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 1: um and boom, no activity for two days, and then

1983
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: activities start seeing. You know, okay, a deer moving this

1984
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: way in the morning and that way in the evening.

1985
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 1: You know, I start seeing more normal activity. So I

1986
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: know there are situations where people can check cameras really

1987
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: low impact, but I think it's a inc minority. And

1988
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: especially if you you know, it's really powerful if you

1989
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 1: can put a camera where you want to hunt next year,

1990
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's a high potentially a relatively

1991
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,800
Speaker 1: high impact location, you know, maybe near bedding or whatever.

1992
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: Let it's so you're not there, it's watching you know,

1993
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: for a full month, two months. You can leave it

1994
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 1: there all year if you want. Um. It tells you

1995
01:49:24,680 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 1: a huge amount of information. So uh yeah there, um

1996
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So Mark, Um, I know you're chasing that

1997
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: big old buck in Michigan. UM. I mean, well, obviously

1998
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 1: your dial and and your situation a little different because

1999
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: as you've I've followed that story, I know you had

2000
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,679
Speaker 1: him basically dead the rights and the muzzleloader and chose

2001
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:54,560
Speaker 1: not to take him, which is I think it's pretty admirable. UM.

2002
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: But uh, you know you want to kill him with

2003
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:02,679
Speaker 1: the bow. Um, try to kill him the very first time. UM.

2004
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 1: And by that I mean I mean, and I don't

2005
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 1: know your property. Maybe you can sit observation, but uh,

2006
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: I know, UM, in the past you've talked about kind

2007
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 1: of moving in, moving in. Um. You know, maybe you

2008
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: can sit if you consider zero impact observation sit by

2009
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: all means do it. But if your observation is any

2010
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: impact whatsoever, go for the kill. UM. So I expect

2011
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,679
Speaker 1: to hear hear about you stick in that book about

2012
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: October two this fall, I hope. So that's that's the hope.

2013
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 1: I plant or not. Yeah, yeah, I guess just I

2014
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 1: challenge you not to be incremental. Um, you know, sit

2015
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: back and then pounces. Um. But yeah, you know, and

2016
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 1: of course you know you can and if you get burned,

2017
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: you can you know, box up a you know, a

2018
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 1: bunch of dog crap and send it to me. I

2019
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: guess I might just do that. It what happens, you know.

2020
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: That's that's the challenge of Hutt in one buck. You know,

2021
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 1: I've been there. I've killed a couple of bucks where

2022
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: it's like this buck and this is the only buck.

2023
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 1: I burned myself out on one buck too, you know,

2024
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: and I try to avoid it for that reason, like

2025
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 1: like and I mean, I love the chase. You know.

2026
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: We're all suckers, you know. We see that shot, you know,

2027
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, and and for Michigan what you're hunting, you know,

2028
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: I said hunt one. You know I'm well aware of that.

2029
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: Um you know, so we're suckers for you know, that

2030
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 1: one awesome, magnificent deer. But um, you know, I I

2031
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,479
Speaker 1: fight against it, man, because I've been burnt in that

2032
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 1: end of the season. You know, that's a you know,

2033
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: I think, Um, I chased one bucks for a while,

2034
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I didn't end up filling my

2035
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: boat tag and at the end of the year, I

2036
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: you know, I looked at I was like, well, that

2037
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 1: was the east of time, you know, And that's a terrible,

2038
01:52:02,280 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: terrible mindset and with and I probably shouldn't, but um,

2039
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: you know that's why I try not to. But good luck,

2040
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,200
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, it's definitely one of those things that

2041
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: it can be the ultimate high and the ultimate low.

2042
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: That's for sure. If there's anything I've learned about chasing

2043
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: one buck, it's uh, it's a roller coaster, no doubt

2044
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: about that. So so that was great. I I I

2045
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,800
Speaker 1: appreciate you taking a stab at the hosts there. And Dan,

2046
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 1: I guess i'll leave you. Do you have any final

2047
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,640
Speaker 1: question before we let Joe go? I do not, all right,

2048
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 1: except will you come on again? Oh yeah? Oh yeah absolutely. Yeah.

2049
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: So just I don't know if I should do this,

2050
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 1: but Mark, and this is coming from Mark Dan as

2051
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:50,400
Speaker 1: an ice breaker, I probably should. I probably should crack

2052
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: a couple of ginger jokes. Okay, okay, are you a

2053
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: ginger as well? No, no I'm not, but I'm married

2054
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: a ginger and I have a daughter who's a anders.

2055
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:03,320
Speaker 1: So I'm surrounded by them, so you know, don't you

2056
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: don't need to You don't even jump across the phone

2057
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 1: line and kill me. My wife will kill me. The beard,

2058
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,679
Speaker 1: my beard games ginger. Right, So the hair though I'd

2059
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: fit in, I'd fit right in if I decided to shave,

2060
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 1: but I'm getting so the beard covers that up. Are

2061
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 1: you going to give? Oh? Man? Uh, well, I've got,

2062
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: I've got. It's got to be a p u. Let's see.

2063
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Oh so, so how does how does every redhead joke

2064
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 1: begin by the joke teller looking over their shoulder to

2065
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 1: make sure there's no gingers around? What do you? Let's see?

2066
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:50,600
Speaker 1: Oh this all? Uh? What type of ginger doesn't let gingers? Sorry?

2067
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 1: What type of train doesn't let gingers ride a soul train?

2068
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: I know that was me? Sorry, Dad, don't kill me.

2069
01:54:01,880 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm used to it. Yeah, yeah, that's all right. But yeah,

2070
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 1: I was trying to take of a couple of Michigan

2071
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 1: jokes to actually just to spread the law. Um. The

2072
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 1: only the only one I could take of is there

2073
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: was two Michigan hunters and they went into the woods

2074
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,120
Speaker 1: to hunt deer, and it came across a set of

2075
01:54:24,160 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 1: tracks and one with a big set of tracks, and

2076
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 1: one was like, that's a big buck. We gotta follow

2077
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,320
Speaker 1: hunt that buck down. The other one is like, there's

2078
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 1: no way that's a buck. That's got to be a cow.

2079
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: While they were both certain they're right, and they sat

2080
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: there arguing and the train hit them. Yeah, sorry, that

2081
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: was being smart. Yeah, I know, and of course that

2082
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:51,320
Speaker 1: was Yeah, that was a blonde joke originally, but I

2083
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 1: just had to stake Michigan, you know, to be fair.

2084
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 1: So it worked, well, it works well yeah, yeah, well, Joe,

2085
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: you and I've heard I've heard my share of Iowa

2086
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: in bread knuckle jaggon dril jokes, so I could take

2087
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: it to everybody knows. Uh man, Well, this is fun,

2088
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:12,640
Speaker 1: and I think, um, I can't think, I speak for

2089
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 1: Dan and myself here that you share a lot of

2090
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 1: really interesting, helpful things for all of us. So, like

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Speaker 1: Dan said, we we should try to get you on

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Speaker 1: again in the future and maybe we can talk about

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Speaker 1: our progress of our two thousand seventeen season or something

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Speaker 1: like that, because this has been great. So Joe, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty awesome talking to you guys,

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Speaker 1: so good luck, good luck we don't talk again before

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Speaker 1: the season and and uh yeah, I hope you gott

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Speaker 1: I hope to see some awesome field kill photos from

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Speaker 1: both of you, absolutely, and we hope to see the

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Speaker 1: same from you. And with that, we're going to wrap

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Speaker 1: a bow on episode number one and fifty and help

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01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 1: out that one awesome awesome stuff. I am just so

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01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: ready for hunting season. I cannot wait to chase some

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Speaker 1: white tails and this has just got me more pumped

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Speaker 1: than ever. But that said, before we go big thanks

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Speaker 1: to our partners at Sitka Gear, Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, white Tail, Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge,

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Speaker 1: and hunt Terra Maps. And finally, thank you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this one as much as I did,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you'll stay wired to hunt