Speaker 1: You're listening to part two of Unexplained, Season four, episode eleven.
Speaker 1: New Dawn fades down at the Officers Club on Roswell
Speaker 1: Army Airfield, Forty year old Major Jesse Marcel had just
Speaker 1: settled in to eat lunch when an unusual call came
Speaker 1: in from the Chavers County Sheriff's Department. Taking it in
Speaker 1: his office, he listened carefully as the man on the
Speaker 1: other end of the line, Sheriff George Wilcox, proceeded to
Speaker 1: relay what he himself had just been told by local
Speaker 1: rancher Mac Brazel, that something appeared to have broken up
Speaker 1: over a section of ranch land that he managed, and
Speaker 1: that he had no idea what it was. That's all
Speaker 1: very well, Sheriff said Mars A little confused. But what's
Speaker 1: it got to do with us? Well, said Wilcox, pausing
Speaker 1: for a moment. He thinks it might have something to
Speaker 1: do with those flying discs we've all been hearing about.
Speaker 1: In July nineteen forty seven, Major Jesse Marcel was the
Speaker 1: Base Intelligence Officer of the five O ninth Bombardment Group.
Speaker 1: Prior to this, he worked for Shell Oil as a
Speaker 1: specialist in constructing maps from aerial photography before volunteering for
Speaker 1: the US Air Force shortly after the outbreak of the
Speaker 1: Second World War. After excelling an intelligence officer training in
Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, Marcel was dispatched to the South Pacific
Speaker 1: as a squadron intelligence officer for US Air Force Fifth
Speaker 1: Bomber Command, where he remained until the end of the war.
Speaker 1: Marcel's service earned him a number of medals, as well
Speaker 1: as the Bronze Star and eventually a promotion to major.
Speaker 1: Well respected by his colleagues, Marcel had little interest in
Speaker 1: science fiction or speculation about Little Green people. However, there
Speaker 1: was good reason to be concerned about just what exactly
Speaker 1: had come down on the ranch. Ever since Kenneth Arnold's
Speaker 1: apparent strange sightings the previous month, the US military had
Speaker 1: been on high alert for unidentified flying objects, the emphasis
Speaker 1: being unidentified. It's a common misconception that the term UFO,
Speaker 1: which wouldn't be coined until nineteen fifty three, refers exclusively
Speaker 1: to objects of extraterrestrial origin, when in fact, it refers
Speaker 1: merely to any object in the sky that has yet
Speaker 1: to be identified. Back in nineteen forty seven, military personnel
Speaker 1: tended to label such things as simply bogies, a catch
Speaker 1: all for anything appearing unexpectedly on radar that had the
Speaker 1: potential to be hostile. And what concerned the US military
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty seven, far more than the possibility of
Speaker 1: interplanetary attack, was a somewhat earthlier fear of the unknown,
Speaker 1: more specifically, the unknown capabilities of the Soviet Union's military,
Speaker 1: a fear heightened by paranoia at what secrets they might
Speaker 1: have unearthed, having acquired a number of Germany's leading scientists
Speaker 1: at the end of the war. After all, it was
Speaker 1: only recently that the US government learned of the German
Speaker 1: army's vie to rocket program, not to mention that the
Speaker 1: US government themselves maintained a number of secretive programs of
Speaker 1: modern weapons development. It was only reasonable to speculate, therefore,
Speaker 1: that all these reports of flying sources could have something
Speaker 1: to do with new Soviet technology. It was late in
Speaker 1: the afternoon of Monday, July seven that Major Marcell jumped
Speaker 1: into an Army geep and sped off toward the Foster Ranch,
Speaker 1: accompanied by counterintelligence officer Sheridan Cavit, pulling up to the
Speaker 1: ranch house a few hours later, with the sun already
Speaker 1: dipping below the horizon, they were greeted by Mac Brazell.
Speaker 1: Mack wasted no time in showing them the scraps of
Speaker 1: material he had taken back to the ranch. Though they
Speaker 1: were certainly unusual, thought Marcell, he was keen to see
Speaker 1: the rest of the debris to get a bigger picture. However,
Speaker 1: with the light fading fast, there was little point in
Speaker 1: heading out there that evening, and so the three of
Speaker 1: them bedded down for the night and waited for morning.
Speaker 1: Shortly after five am the following day, Marcel and Cavit
Speaker 1: awoke to the cool, pink haze of a New Mexico sunrise.
Speaker 1: Gathering their things, they jumped back into the jeep and
Speaker 1: along with Brazel, drove out into the desert. After twenty
Speaker 1: minutes cruising through the scrub, Brazel instructed them to stop there,
Speaker 1: he said, pointing to the bush where he'd attempted to
Speaker 1: gather at the rest of the broken pieces. Cavet turned
Speaker 1: off the engine, and together the three of them jumped
Speaker 1: out and headed on toward the debris headlined Diston July eighth,
Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven, the Army Air Forces has announced that
Speaker 1: a flying disk has been found and is now in
Speaker 1: the perfection of the Army. Of a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the five hundred and ninth Atomic Bond Group headquarters at Rockwell,
Speaker 1: New Mexicol, report that it has received one of the
Speaker 1: disks which landed on a rant outside Rockwell. A disk
Speaker 1: landed at a rant at Corona, New Mexicol, and a
Speaker 1: ranter turned it over to the airport ranker. WW Brazel
Speaker 1: was the man who discovered the toper. Colonel William Blanchard
Speaker 1: of the Rockwell Airbey produited to give detail of what
Speaker 1: the flying desk looked like. The press release had been
Speaker 1: ordered by Colonel Blanchard soon after Marcel briefed him and
Speaker 1: what they had discovered at the ranch. The excited radio
Speaker 1: broadcasts would continue thick and fast throughout the day, and
Speaker 1: the afternoon's newspapers would soon follow suit, as all over
Speaker 1: the world the public began to hear about the extraordinary news.
Speaker 1: The eighth of July edition of the Roswell Daily Record
Speaker 1: lad with Roswell Army Airfield captures flying saucer on ranch
Speaker 1: in Roswell, as the article went on to state, according
Speaker 1: to information released by the Intelligence Office of the five
Speaker 1: o ninth, the disc was recovered on a ranch in
Speaker 1: the Roswell vicinity after an unidentified rancher had notified Sheriff
Speaker 1: George Wilcox here that he'd found the instrument on his premisive.
Speaker 1: Major Marcel and a detail from his depart went to
Speaker 1: the ranch and recovered the disc. The Intelligence Office stated
Speaker 1: that no details of the sources, construction, or its appearance
Speaker 1: had been revealed. Having delivered a significant amount of the
Speaker 1: debris from the ranch back to Roswell Airfield, Major Marcel
Speaker 1: was then ordered to ship out with it immediately to
Speaker 1: the Air Force base at Fort Worth in Texas. From
Speaker 1: there it would be reviewed by more senior personnel before
Speaker 1: they decided what to do with it next. And so
Speaker 1: it was that only a few hours later Major Marcell
Speaker 1: touched down in Texas at the offices of the Fort
Speaker 1: Worth Star Telegram, just six miles east of the Army airfield,
Speaker 1: Editor Callum Greene listened with astonishment as the radio reports
Speaker 1: came in about the Flying Sources discovery. A short time later,
Speaker 1: he received the wance in a lifetime tip off that
Speaker 1: the wreckage of the apparent flying disc was heading to
Speaker 1: Fort Worth. Seeing twenty year old military editor and photographer
Speaker 1: John Von Johnson at his desk, Green hurried over to him.
Speaker 1: You're going to want to take your camera for this one,
Speaker 1: he said with a smile. Within minutes, Johnson was at
Speaker 1: the wheel of his Ford Club coupe, speeding off toward
Speaker 1: the Army airfield. Johnson had been a police reporter for
Speaker 1: The Telegram since nineteen forty three, but by forty seven
Speaker 1: he was also a pilot officer in the Civil Air Patrol,
Speaker 1: having joined the Army Air Force as a trainee during
Speaker 1: the war, a fact that Green hoped might help him
Speaker 1: gain access to the base. Excited by the prospect of
Speaker 1: his first solo assignment, or Johnson could think about was
Speaker 1: getting there in time to publish the story for that
Speaker 1: night's edition. Arriving in double quick time, he was relieved
Speaker 1: to find he was the first one there. After announcing
Speaker 1: himself at the front gate, he was swiftly ushered through
Speaker 1: and told to head directly for the office of Brigadier
Speaker 1: General Brogier Raymie. Arriving outside his room, the first thing
Speaker 1: that struck Johnson was the intense, acrid, burning odor coming
Speaker 1: from inside it. It reminded him of the burned out
Speaker 1: buildings he encountered back when he was a police reporter
Speaker 1: knocking on the door. He was then invited in by
Speaker 1: Colonel Thomas Dubouse, who informed him that Raymie would be
Speaker 1: joining them shortly. Inside, he saw on the floor in
Speaker 1: front of him a jumble of broken rods and ripped
Speaker 1: sheets of what appeared to be some kind of foil.
Speaker 1: These bits and pieces, he assumed were remnants of the
Speaker 1: apparent flying saucer, or at least some of it. Realizing
Speaker 1: he only had a few minutes to set up the
Speaker 1: camera and get the shot, Johnson attempted to make the
Speaker 1: pieces more presentable, but none of it seemed to fit
Speaker 1: together in any logical way. Moments later, Brigadier General Raymie appeared,
Speaker 1: along with Major Jesse Marcel, who seemed oddly reserved. Johnson
Speaker 1: then asked Raymie if they determined what it was exactly,
Speaker 1: but Raymie had no idea, and so, without wanting to
Speaker 1: waste any more time, Johnson had Raymie debase and Major
Speaker 1: Marcell posed for a few photographs alongside the debris. Having
Speaker 1: taken six photos in total, Johnson was thanked for his time,
Speaker 1: and with the scoop in hand, he headed straight back
Speaker 1: to the Star Telegram to develop the pictures. An hour later,
Speaker 1: he handed the finished Prince to his editor and headed home.
Speaker 1: Later that afternoon, as Johnson was driving home back at
Speaker 1: the Fort Worth Air Force Base, another press release was
Speaker 1: being hastily arranged. Something it seemed had shifted in the narrative.
Speaker 1: At some time around three pm, Bricadier General Raymie is
Speaker 1: thought by some to have received a call from his superior,
Speaker 1: General McMullen, instructing him to put out a new release.
Speaker 1: General Raymie described the object as being a flimsy constructor
Speaker 1: almost like a box type. He says that it was
Speaker 1: so battered that he was unable to determine whether it
Speaker 1: had a disf form, and he does not indicate its tide.
Speaker 1: Raymie says that, so far as can be determined, no
Speaker 1: one saw the object in the air, and he described
Speaker 1: it as being made of some sort of tinfoil. Other
Speaker 1: Army officials say that further information indicates that the object
Speaker 1: had a diameter of about twenty to twenty five feet,
Speaker 1: and that nothing in the apparent construction indicated any capacity
Speaker 1: for speed, and that there was no evidence of a
Speaker 1: power plant. But diff also appeared j Clemley to carry
Speaker 1: a men, now back to Taylor grant in your yacht.
Speaker 1: By the following morning, the apparent flying saucer discovery had
Speaker 1: been mixed entirely, or as the July ninth edition of
Speaker 1: the Roswell Daily Record declared, General Ramy empties Roswell's saucer.
Speaker 1: The article continued. An examination by the Army revealed last
Speaker 1: night that mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico
Speaker 1: ranch was a harmless high altitude weather balloon and not
Speaker 1: a grounded flying disc. Excitement was high until Brigadier General
Speaker 1: Roger Ramy, commander of the eighth Air Forces with headquarters here,
Speaker 1: cleared up the mystery, describing the materials as being nothing
Speaker 1: more than a bundle of tinfoil, broken wood beams, and
Speaker 1: rubber remnants of a balloon. The General said the objects
Speaker 1: were the crushed remains of a ray wind target used
Speaker 1: to determine the direction and velocity of winds at high altitudes.
Speaker 1: A number of other papers followed suit, with many carrying
Speaker 1: the pictures that Johnson had taken of the material in
Speaker 1: Ramy's office. Most meteorologists, on examining the pictures, agreed that
Speaker 1: the supposed crash debris was indeed pieces of a weather balloon. However,
Speaker 1: there was one additional photo now circulating in the press
Speaker 1: which hadn't been taken by Johnson or any other known
Speaker 1: press photographer. The picture showed Warrant Officer and Army weather
Speaker 1: forecaster Irving Newton, who had not been present for Johnson's
Speaker 1: original photo session. Newton was put forward as an expert
Speaker 1: by the Army Air Force, confirming the weather balloon interpretation.
Speaker 1: The materials were eventually flown on to the Army's scientific
Speaker 1: and technical labs at right Field Base in Ohio, where
Speaker 1: the weather balloon explanation was again officially confirmed. Are you
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Speaker 1: Unexplained Podcast. The same day that people were waking up
Speaker 1: to the news that the apparent flying saucer was nothing
Speaker 1: but a weather balloon. The full account of mac Brazel's
Speaker 1: story was also published in the Roswell Daily Record. Brazel's
Speaker 1: description of the debris was markedly underwhelming and clashed significantly
Speaker 1: with all original reports of a flying disc. When the
Speaker 1: debris was gathered up, he stated the tinfoil, paper, tape
Speaker 1: and sticks made a bundle about eighteen or twenty inches
Speaker 1: long and about five inches thick. The article continued. In all,
Speaker 1: he estimated the entire lot would have weighed maybe five pounds.
Speaker 1: There was no sign of any metal in the area
Speaker 1: which might have been used for an engine, and no
Speaker 1: sign of any propellers of any kind. There were no
Speaker 1: words to be found anywhere on the instrument, although there
Speaker 1: were letters on some of the parts. Considerable scotch tape
Speaker 1: and some tape with flowers printed upon it had been
Speaker 1: used in the construction. No strings or wire were found either,
Speaker 1: but there were some eyelets in the paper to indicate
Speaker 1: that some sort of attachment may have been used, all
Speaker 1: of which was in keeping with the Army Air Force's
Speaker 1: explanation that it was merely a weather balloon that had
Speaker 1: broken up. Tantalizingly, however, Brazel, who had seen a number
Speaker 1: of such devices on the ranch before, concluded by stating
Speaker 1: that whatever it was he had found, he was certain
Speaker 1: it was not a weather balloon either way. Within days,
Speaker 1: the whole roswell for Roar had all but completely blown over,
Speaker 1: though an ordinate amount of disks were apparently spotted flying
Speaker 1: in the skies throughout the rest of the year, for
Speaker 1: the more skeptical of the public, the story was completely dead.
Speaker 1: For a start. With the Cold War heating up, there
Speaker 1: were far more pressing concerns than little green people, and
Speaker 1: even for the most ardent of UFO believers, this intriguing
Speaker 1: event soon vanished almost completely from public consciousness, but not
Speaker 1: every one had forgotten about it, Unlike the majority of
Speaker 1: the public. Far from ignoring the UFO flap of nineteen
Speaker 1: forty seven, the U. S. Army Air Force began to
Speaker 1: secretly investigate it. As mentioned earlier, this is unsurprising considering
Speaker 1: the heightened fear of possible attack to the nation at
Speaker 1: the time. Either way, the reports make for some interesting reading.
Speaker 1: As one official document is said to have noted, dated
Speaker 1: July thirtieth, nineteen forty seven. From a detailed study of
Speaker 1: reports selected for their impression of voracity and reliability, several
Speaker 1: conclusions have been formed the flying saucer situation is not
Speaker 1: at all imaginary or the result of seeing too much
Speaker 1: in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. On
Speaker 1: twenty eighth of October nineteen forty seven, General George Shulgan,
Speaker 1: chief of the US Air Force Air Intelligence Requirements Division,
Speaker 1: issued a secret memo outlining the commonly reported features of
Speaker 1: what he termed the flying saucer type aircraft, and instructed
Speaker 1: all military personnel to be on the lookout for such
Speaker 1: a device. Contrary to the opinions of some, however, the
Speaker 1: original memo did not include the statement that some elements
Speaker 1: in the military believed these objects represented into planetary craft. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: the United States Air Force continued to monitor and assess
Speaker 1: all UFO sightings for at least the next twenty years.
Speaker 1: This began with Project sign which was then superseded by
Speaker 1: Project Grudge, which eventually in turn became the more well
Speaker 1: known Project Blue Book. In nineteen fifty, former Marine Corps
Speaker 1: naval aviator Donald Kehoe gave an interview in the US's
Speaker 1: True magazine, claiming to know for a fact that the
Speaker 1: Earth had been under close range examination by living, intelligent
Speaker 1: observers from another planet. The US Air Force responded with
Speaker 1: a six hundred page report detailing and explaining away two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven apparent UFO cases, and so the
Speaker 1: dance would continue between believers and the military. Project Blue
Speaker 1: Book was formally shut down in nineteen sixty nine, though many,
Speaker 1: of course believed the US government merely continued their efforts elsewhere.
Speaker 1: It may be surprising to learn, however, considering its notoriety today,
Speaker 1: the Roswell UFO incident had barely been men since, but
Speaker 1: all that was about to change. At the turn of
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman had forged a
Speaker 1: reputation as one of the leading experts in his field,
Speaker 1: working for the likes of General Electric and Aerojet, amongst
Speaker 1: many others. Stanton's specialty was finding ways to incorporate nuclear
Speaker 1: technology as a power source for planes, rockets, and even
Speaker 1: space travel. By nineteen seventy, however, Freedman had given it
Speaker 1: all up to investigate the possible existence of intelligent alien life.
Speaker 1: His fascination in the subject had begun in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: eight after coming across a report on unidentified flying objects
Speaker 1: written by former Air Force officer and creator of the
Speaker 1: term UFO, Edward Ruppelt. As his own interest in the
Speaker 1: utility of nuclear power expanded, Freedman became intrigued by the
Speaker 1: prospect that beings from another planet were using it to
Speaker 1: visit Earth. In February nineteen seventy eight, Friedman was in
Speaker 1: a TV studio in Louisiana preparing for an interview to
Speaker 1: promote a talk he was giving on UFOs later that night.
Speaker 1: During a quick coffee break, he got talking to the
Speaker 1: show's director, who suggested he get in touch with a
Speaker 1: friend of theirs that lived nearby who claimed that they
Speaker 1: had not only seen a UFO, but had also touched it.
Speaker 1: By then, Freedman was something of a ufology celebrity and
Speaker 1: this sort of interaction was par for the course. Nodding
Speaker 1: along politely, he thanked the director for the suggestion and
Speaker 1: made a mental note to add the name to the
Speaker 1: vast list of other individuals who'd contacted him claiming the same.
Speaker 1: Freedman hadn't given the name much thought, but with some
Speaker 1: time to kill at the local airport the next day,
Speaker 1: he made a quick call to Information and asked them
Speaker 1: for a number for a man named Jesse Marcell. Dialing
Speaker 1: his number moments later, Friedman waited patiently until finally an
Speaker 1: elderly sounding man picked up the phone. Friedman introduced himself,
Speaker 1: and the man in turn confirmed that he was indeed
Speaker 1: Jesse Marcel, formerly Major Marcell of the five h ninth
Speaker 1: Bombardment Group. The story of the Roswell incident would never
Speaker 1: be the same again, according to Friedman. For whatever reason,
Speaker 1: when Marcel answered the call that day, he decided to
Speaker 1: come clean about what really happened back in the summer
Speaker 1: of nineteen forty seven. As he went on to explain Firstly,
Speaker 1: when he arrived at the location of what he referred
Speaker 1: to as the crash site, he didn't find the remaining
Speaker 1: pieces all neatly bundled up and stashed under a bush,
Speaker 1: or that all the pieces had already been picked up
Speaker 1: by mac Brazell, as some reports claimed, but instead he
Speaker 1: found a vast array of it was still there, covering
Speaker 1: an area of roughly three quarters of a mile long
Speaker 1: and several hundred yards wide. More importantly, he claimed the
Speaker 1: materials were like nothing he had ever encountered before. Some
Speaker 1: of it he described as being as thin as the
Speaker 1: foil from a cigarette packet, but extremely strong and impossible
Speaker 1: to break or tear. Other bits looked like thin beams
Speaker 1: of wood, but were in fact inordinately strong and had
Speaker 1: strange markings on them. When he later escorted the pieces
Speaker 1: of the wreckage to Fort Worth, Marcel claimed that only
Speaker 1: a small portion of them were taken out to show
Speaker 1: the press, while the rest of it was flown on
Speaker 1: to right Field in Ohio. He also claimed that he
Speaker 1: was given strict instructions to stay silent throughout the process,
Speaker 1: and slowly more and more alternative versions of the story
Speaker 1: began to emerge in seventy nine, an associate of Freedman's
Speaker 1: was told by Marcel's son, a medical doctor and ironically
Speaker 1: an aircraft accident investigator in his own right, that his
Speaker 1: father had actually brought some of the wreckage home, Though
Speaker 1: only eleven at the time, Doctor Jesse Junior Marcel claimed
Speaker 1: to distinctly remember seeing a series of characters from an
Speaker 1: unknown language imprinted along the edges of some of the beams.
Speaker 1: The images, he said, reminded him of hieroglyphics. Friedman published
Speaker 1: these claims soon after, becoming known as the first civilian
Speaker 1: to investigate the apparent UFO crash near Roswell, But these
Speaker 1: revelations seemed only to be at the tip of an iceberg.
Speaker 1: Before long, more witnesses came forward, claiming secret knowledge of
Speaker 1: the events, that it wasn't only a spacecraft that was recovered,
Speaker 1: but bodies too, one of them possibly even alive. Dates
Speaker 1: were questioned as to when exactly at all occurred. Stories
Speaker 1: and interviews given at the time were scrutinized and reevaluated
Speaker 1: for any sign of coercion or a wider plot to
Speaker 1: keep a lid on the real truth, each interested party
Speaker 1: invariably finding in the evidence whatever they wanted to find,
Speaker 1: the rumors eventually escalating to incorporate that most secretive of
Speaker 1: US Air Force sites, Area fifty one, the place where
Speaker 1: some claimed today the Roswell craft and its occupants was
Speaker 1: eventually taken and reverse engineered for its secrets. In nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, the US Air Force, spurred on by the
Speaker 1: disproportionate attention that seemed to be directed at what they
Speaker 1: considered to be such an innocuous event, released its own
Speaker 1: findings into the Roswell incident. Incredibly, the Roswell Report, fact
Speaker 1: versus fiction in the New Mexico Desert, concluded that there
Speaker 1: had been a cover up and that the weather balloon
Speaker 1: story had indeed been entirely manufactured to hide the truth. However,
Speaker 1: it wasn't due to any alien technology the Air Force
Speaker 1: had found, but rather to keep secret the existence of
Speaker 1: its own. It wasn't the innocuous weather balloon they first claimed,
Speaker 1: but rather a device that was being used as part
Speaker 1: of a secret operation known as Project Mogul. The project's
Speaker 1: purpose was to keep track of any atomic tests that
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union might be conducting. They did this by
Speaker 1: flying microphones at high altitudes to pick up on signature
Speaker 1: sound waves that such tests would give off for the
Speaker 1: true believers. However, this was just yet another smoke screen
Speaker 1: and the real truth, as they say, is still out there.
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