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Speaker 1: is season three of Queen of the Con The Rich Girl,

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Speaker 1: Episode one, the Brazilian Butt Lift. I remember when she

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Speaker 1: con artists like Danielle Miller. Well, the funny thing for

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Speaker 1: me is that all of these stories are inter length

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Speaker 1: for listeners who don't know. You wrote the definitive article

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Speaker 1: it's incredible, No, it was. It was a crazy couple

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Speaker 1: what do you make of daniel Miller as a as

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Speaker 1: When's the last time you talked to Daniel Miller? She

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Speaker 1: gales with her harrowing experience of getting arrested by federal

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Speaker 1: agents post Brazilian butt lift surgery, or BBL, as the

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Speaker 1: So it's a wire fraud case. Wire fraud is a

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Speaker 1: is doing all this ship under your name with your

427
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Speaker 1: fucking driver's license. It's gotta be fucking infuriating and worse

428
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: than that, if you're trying to buy a home or

429
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to buy a car and it comes up

430
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Speaker 1: that all this money you owe someone took out credit

431
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: in your name and charged up a storm. What are

432
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Speaker 1: you get? You're screwed. You're gonna get into the whole thing.

433
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, the identity even right, you know, bus

434
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Speaker 1: is on the victim to prove their case. It takes

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Speaker 1: years to get out from under that. Yeah, it's like,

436
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: you know, oh, your high risk, you did all this

437
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: ship and did it, and then you gotta go through

438
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: like this whole fucking song and dance about, oh there's

439
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: this person that you know essentially defrauded me, and now God,

440
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: I would just be so fucking piste off. As for

441
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: the rest of that affidavit, it turns out the special

442
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: agent investigating Daniel Miller is also one of her Instagram followers,

443
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: because they write I am familiar with an Instagram post

444
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: dated September by user kill ade Milla that includes a

445
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: photograph of a woman wearing a blue outfit standing in

446
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: front of a white Rolls Royce. Behind her, the words

447
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: the Beverly Hills can be seen written on a pink

448
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: peach building. The photograph appears to have been taken in

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00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: the valet area of the Beverly Hills Hotel, located in

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00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, California. I believe the woman depicted in this

451
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: photograph is the same individual depicted on the fraudulent LMS

452
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: Massachusetts driver's license on file with Exo Global in the

453
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: fraudulent KAE, Wisconsin driver's license on file with zip Carr

454
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: bam So her Instagram is is shackling her. Yeah, it's

455
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: like you need that fucking attention. Yeah, yeah, it is

456
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: one attention. You know. I only post tasteful nudes on

457
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: my Instagram, Like, I don't show anything lavish. I just

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00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: pair it all down. Interestingly enough, after Daniel Miller is

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00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: allegedly successful in obtaining all that COVID cash under other

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00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: people's names and bank accounts, her next stop is the

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Speaker 1: Corner grocery store. TD Bank records revealed numerous transactions from

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Speaker 1: Public supermarket in Miami, Florida, between August eleven, two thousand twenty,

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Speaker 1: and September eight. Public records revealed that the items purchased

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Speaker 1: were Western Union money orders totally approximately two eight hundred

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00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: sixty two dollars. Wow, well, that's more proof that she's

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Speaker 1: a scammer. This is the currency of scammers, money orders,

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00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: any one of those email scams or phone scams where

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00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: they try to trick you that they're calling from the

469
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: I R. S or calling from the bank, or your

470
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: grandson has been arrested. Send money. They want a money

471
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: order because it's untraceable, and because it's like cash. You

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00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: give a scammer a money order, they deposited, it's done.

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Speaker 1: A money order is cash, you know, it's like a

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Speaker 1: cashier's check. So this is more evidence that she went

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Speaker 1: and purchased dollars in money orders for what Who does that?

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00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: Who does that? Only a scammer. The majority of the

477
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: money orders were made out to K. E. Gem and Jewels.

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00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: That's a jewelry store, So she's buying jewelry. So she's

479
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: getting the money in SB loans right, and this is

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00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: like money laundering because she's using it to buy money

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Speaker 1: orders and then using those money orders to buy jewelry

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00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and just make it out through the jewelry. Yeah, and

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00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: then she's posting selfies on Instagram of her in the jewelry,

484
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: like bragging about her high dollar lifestyle. Man, the hundreds

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Speaker 1: of meticulous details listed in that AFFI davit are staggering

486
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: home addresses, phone numbers, I P addresses, account numbers, pictures

487
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: from a t M machines, exact times of day and dates,

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00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: exact locations, and do you think those could be wrong?

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Speaker 1: Before a federal agent is going to sign a document

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Speaker 1: under oath, they have triple checked it to make sure

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Speaker 1: it's accurate, that it's not misleading, that they have all

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Speaker 1: their facts correct, because they know there could come a

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Speaker 1: day when they're sitting in court under oath, cross examined

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Speaker 1: in front of a jury about their inaccurate statement, and

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Speaker 1: that could blow the whole case. So the last thing

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00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: you want to do is make a mistake by being

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Speaker 1: sloppy or inaccurate when you're putting these things together. Oftentimes,

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00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: when you write a criminal comp lane, you know the

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00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: defendant is going to read it, and you want the

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Speaker 1: defendant to think, oh shit, they found my IP address,

501
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh shit, they have me on camera doing X, Y

502
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: and Z. Maybe that causes the case to get resolved

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00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: more quickly, Right, You don't have to just turn over

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00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: a million documents. Yeah, I never thought of that. That's

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00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: a good point. So those details probably scared the crap

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Speaker 1: out of her. Oh I do that all the time,

507
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: all the time. It's like, let me tell you how

508
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: funk you are. That's how we would draft criminal complaints

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00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times. But again, hearing Danielle blithely spin

510
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: and explain things away, you gotta wonder what the hell

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00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: is really going through her mind. I mean, there are

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00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: tons of court records and news reports about her many

513
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: criminal exploits all over the country, and yet she publicly

514
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: stated in an interview that everyone's got it wrong, saying, quote,

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: so like the story was like spun from like all

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00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: different court documents of stuff, right, and like made to

517
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: be like I'm some huge froster when like really at heart,

518
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: like I'm a researcher and like things are interesting to

519
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: me and I like get really in depth of like

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00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: certain topics. So like that's why I know just so

521
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: much about so many different things. That's just like scamming, Like, yeah,

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00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's crazy. The scamming world is insane. There

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00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: it's a seven billion dollar industry from life block to

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00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: people that are scamming, like I don't understand where the

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00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: money is coming and where the money is going. So

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: she's just a researcher. Sounds like she did nothing wrong, right, Well,

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00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm following the federal case now, I'll let you know

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00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: what happens, So stay tuned. But the sophistication of Daniel

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Speaker 1: Miller's many scams across the United States is almost unfathomable,

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: given that she pulled most of them off in her twenties.

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Speaker 1: Over the next nine episodes will unpack each one of

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00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: those crazy cons in exquisite detail. Though there are some

533
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: who point to a life altering mistake you know Miller

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00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: makes as a young girl as ground zero for the

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00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: birth of a con artist. I was thirteen when I

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: made the videos at the time. Are you a Virgin?

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00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: Coming up this season on Queen of the Con The

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00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: Rich Girl. When I was thirteen years old, I went

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: through a traumatic experience as a victim of child pornography

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00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: that scarred me for the rest of my life, and

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00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: it led me down a path of regrettable decisions. Dude,

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00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: this girls are like a walking con artist, Like, do

543
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: not trust this woman. She did so much wrong and

544
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: she screwed so many people over, Like, what about the

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00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: people that are hurting from all of this? We found

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00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: about in the car, along with other fake ideas as well.

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00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: But she was saying something about the probation or mind

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00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, that's all this is gonna

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: amount to you, Like, bring it on. She's a chameleon, Alice,

550
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: whoever you wanted him at first, you just try to

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00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: be the victim. No matter what I would ask her,

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00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: she'd have answer board, phone numbers, is addresses, social you

553
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: name it. She had it all in her head and

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00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: I'll never forget she did it in the middle of

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: the night. She woke me up before I had to

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00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: go to work, and she was like, here's the check,

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00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Like sign it here, retty to take care of that.

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00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: It sounds like there are hundreds of victims, hundreds of

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00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: people she's ripped off. Yes. Wow. She got into my accounts,

560
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: changed my emails to a different email, changed my address

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00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: to her address, sent herself a credit card and debit card,

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00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: opened up merchant banking your accounts, a cash app of Venmo,

563
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: applied for Charles Swab. They were waiting for her whole

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00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: side of the store, so they came in exactly at

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00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: the time where she was going through checob and then

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00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: she was like she froze. She literally stand there and

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00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: she's completely frozen. And then the detective said, I need

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00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: your a d it's very intoxic. And I was already

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00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: asleep and probably like the room was probably spending and

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00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: I woke up and Danielle was standing thing over me.

571
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: She has dangerous there's no impulse control. She said, you know,

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00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: if we just get married, I'll be able to get

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00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: so many millions. And she's like, then we could just

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00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: like split it up, and I was like, I would

575
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: never not for like that is an actual con. I'm

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: getting the oppression she was in love with you. Yes,

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: it got pretty awkward. In my head. I'm like, I

578
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: just paid for this girl's vacation for her birthday. Probably

579
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: like she's just been taking all the cash for me.

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00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: This person is more dangerous with a cell phone than

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00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: anybody I know with a firearm. So she's using a

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: stolen credit card on your Uber account and then used

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00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: you to book rides for her. Yeah, to this day,

584
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: I am banned from Uber and I can no longer

585
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: use it because I got called by a tesla dealership

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00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Did she try to buy a Tesla in

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00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: your name? Yes, I just want to say I'm truly

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00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: sorry for what I did end. I apologize and I

589
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: would never let this happen ever, ever, ever, again. Why

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00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: does Danielle Miller continue to do as she does and

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00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: continue to do it successfully? It's because humans are reward driven.

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00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: We do what gets us results. She does this because

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00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: it fades, it pays big. I mean, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, karma is a bitch, and I hope

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: that it comes and invites her in the ass. A

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00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: portion of an email in this episode from daniel Miller's

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: entertainment attorney was dramatized verbatim as we're all of Danielle's

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Speaker 1: public statements and her interviewers questions and comments. If you're

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Speaker 1: Girl is a production of a y R Media and

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Speaker 1: Melina Krawlski. Court records, police records, the Department of Justice,

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