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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. Dab on dem folks. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: Room filled the heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Roseatal.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Boys? And what is happening? Allion attempt to

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Speaker 1: touch Greg? Why you blocked it? Why? I had a

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Speaker 1: feeling it was coming and I blocked it. Welcome to Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is the Sunday night edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: I do. Yeah. Um, yes, this is uh the show

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Speaker 1: where we recap, as I said, my favorite week end

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Speaker 1: of the year in the NFL, and I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people agreed. Divisional Weekend. Four games. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: one game an absolute classic to me, one of the

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Speaker 1: my favorite games ever, and then three games that brought

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Speaker 1: elements of entertainment none of them at that level. But

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Speaker 1: a nice weekend of football, right Mark, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was absolutely fantastic. I had the chance to watch last

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Speaker 1: night's game, the Cardinals Packers game, in that same little

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced every time I walk in there it magical.

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Speaker 1: Magical games happened, and last night's could not have been

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Speaker 1: any more fun. One of the best I've seen in years. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was the classic. I thought Dan was

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Speaker 1: saying watching his Patriots team that he enjoys watching that

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Speaker 1: was totally unnecessary in heaven all day on Saturday. Saturday's

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Speaker 1: games were great, and in the Sunday games maybe not

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Speaker 1: as good. But all these games ended up being one

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Speaker 1: score games all weekend. That's right, I mean yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean Sunday's games didn't quite match up, of course, but

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Speaker 1: I do think that none of those games completely especially

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Speaker 1: but they even made a game of it, So good

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Speaker 1: job NFL. I was depressed. I will have some new

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Speaker 1: slogans for the NFL next Sunday show. Just a little teaser.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait. For a workshop that. Um, so yeah, we

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Speaker 1: will get into all the games because that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: We give them the attention. But you know, just because

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Speaker 1: this is a special show, Wes, I'm gonna hit you

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Speaker 1: early in the show with a little NFL research note

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Speaker 1: bang wow, looking forward to that. Remember this one? Love

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Speaker 1: please don't go. But this was the first time since

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Speaker 1: two thousand four that all four home teams one on

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Speaker 1: divisional weekend, this coming one week after all the road

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Speaker 1: teams won. NFL can't predict nothing was a top heavy

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Speaker 1: be that surprised these four teams. I would throw the

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Speaker 1: Bengals in there were really with them all year. We

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Speaker 1: forget about the Bengals, but these are basically the four

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Speaker 1: away to his left while he was getting tackle after

431
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Speaker 1: a spin move. There is no one in the NFL,

432
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Speaker 1: maybe ever, that could make that thre But the first

433
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Speaker 1: throw was even more impressive than that one. I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. And it's a game where Jared Abberdaris and

435
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Speaker 1: Jeff Janis had a combined twenty three targets. It makes

436
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Speaker 1: what Aaron Rodgers accomplished at the end of this game

437
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Speaker 1: all the more impressive. And I got some flak on

438
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Speaker 1: Twitter when I also was out at a public place

439
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: with you, not with you West, but across town. But

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Speaker 1: people that were saying it is a humble bragg all right, bragging,

441
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: I guess because I was at a bar. This is

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Speaker 1: an achievement in America. But you know, look at you

443
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Speaker 1: have a game. Okay, you did throw. You know it's

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was gonna say. Well,

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00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: I know what it's gonna say. Last week I was

446
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: hard on this game being in prime time because I thought,

447
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, I was not alone, that it was gonna

448
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: be forty to ten and one of these celebrations of

449
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals have done all season. Instead it became

450
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: something completely different. I underrated the Packers, and they showed

451
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Speaker 1: a lot more fight in this situation than I ever

452
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Speaker 1: thought they would. They won me over. Had they won this,

453
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Speaker 1: I would not have had a problem watching them play

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Speaker 1: another two games. They were that fun. This was a

455
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Speaker 1: tough year for Aaron Rodgers. As we all know. Even

456
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: though if ten years from now, twenty years or now,

457
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Speaker 1: you're gonna look at his stats and make it was

458
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Speaker 1: another big year, we all know that wasn't the case

459
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Speaker 1: if you looked at the season closely. But what he

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Speaker 1: did in a in a loss, and it reminded me

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Speaker 1: a lot once Cobb went down early in the game,

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Speaker 1: and it was kind of like I thought about Lebron

463
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Speaker 1: and the Calves last summer when Kyle Irving good compete.

464
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Speaker 1: He went out and it was basically Aaron Rodgers the

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Speaker 1: best player in the league, uh, you know, against the world,

466
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Speaker 1: and he almost did it. He was playing without his

467
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: four top wide receivers entering the season, all of them

468
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Speaker 1: out of the lineup, and he almost pulled it off.

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Speaker 1: And the credit goes to Jeff Janis. I don't know

470
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Speaker 1: how he wasn't in the rotation before. That is a

471
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Speaker 1: legitimate question that you have to ask when you saw

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Speaker 1: how slow the wide receivers were all year. And we

473
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Speaker 1: know that Aaron Rodgers has said he doesn't try Jeff

474
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Speaker 1: Janis to be in the right place, but I think

475
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Speaker 1: you have to swallow that pill and just play. And

476
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: Aberdaris showed quickness and got open. And for all that

477
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Speaker 1: you said that was good about Rogers, I think you

478
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Speaker 1: do have to remember. I think Rogers will look at

479
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: this game and think we had them in great position

480
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: and when it really was money time. In the last

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes of this game, for the most part, the

482
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Speaker 1: Cardinals dominated the game. The Cardinals after it was thirteen seven,

483
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Speaker 1: scored on their four of their final five possessions. The

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Speaker 1: fifth was that terrible Palmer interception in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: The Packers, on the other hand, after they got that

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Speaker 1: thirteen seven lead and things were feeling good, they had

487
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Speaker 1: gone seventeen play drive to end the first half, seventeen

488
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: play drive again they had a Rogers interception thrown in,

489
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Speaker 1: but then they had to touch on. But after that moment,

490
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: three and out seven and out four, four, and they

491
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Speaker 1: went forward on fourth down and got stopped, and that

492
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Speaker 1: was the point of the game. They had a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a lead, they had a chance to keep

494
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Speaker 1: it close, and that was the moment where you know,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense for the first time all game really stood

496
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: up totally stopped and when well, yeah, I mean, but

497
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Speaker 1: that's what we expected Green Bay's offense to be like

498
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Speaker 1: potentially where you have four or five drives in a

499
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Speaker 1: row where not a lots getting produced, because that's what

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Speaker 1: they've been. We were not expecting I get the four

501
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: out of five drives to end the game. But Arizona

502
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: overall on offense was very underwhelming. They came up big

503
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Speaker 1: in the end, but this is not the cross section

504
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Speaker 1: example we thought we'd see from their offense. You look

505
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Speaker 1: at the Seattle game and this one, and I have

506
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: to ask, is it possible that they're not at they're

507
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Speaker 1: not at the peak level and is it just a

508
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Speaker 1: one game thing where we throw off in the playoffs,

509
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: will be fine next week, or is there something going

510
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Speaker 1: on with Carson Paul. He did not look great yesterday.

511
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Speaker 1: That was again the numbers, they look Okaytree touchdowns made,

512
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: he made some nice picks, but I thought this was

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Speaker 1: a wretched game by Palmer. Uh to the point where

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Speaker 1: you know he threw the two picks both were terrible interceptions.

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Speaker 1: He threw one that Sam Shields should have picked off

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Speaker 1: in the second half that could have saulted the game

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Speaker 1: away if Shields makes a play after catching the ball. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I thought for them to survive this game. When Palm

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Speaker 1: first of all, I'm a little nervous if I'm a

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fan about what's going on with Palmer, because as

521
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Speaker 1: much as everyone kills Andy Dalton, other quarterbacks have struggled

522
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Palmer played like a guy that was

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Speaker 1: tight and knew was very well. He knew what his

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Speaker 1: legacy was potentially as well. The way he played this game,

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Speaker 1: I think everything you just said it's true. He absolutely

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Speaker 1: played tight. But with the game on the line, that

527
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: touchdown drive that resulted in the Fluke touchdown to Michael Floyd,

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Speaker 1: he made a third and floor of four play to Floyd.

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Speaker 1: He made that great pass and David Johnson made the

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Speaker 1: great play too, two huge third down plays. And I

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Speaker 1: think both of these Saturday games showed two quarterbacks the

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Speaker 1: work they put in in the off season. Carson Palmer

533
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Speaker 1: worked out like a maniac, got in the best shape

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Speaker 1: of his life, and Brady and Palmer had some of

535
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Speaker 1: the best pocket movement in the NFL. And you saw

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Speaker 1: that in both of those games on saturd If anything,

537
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: he was too aggressive. And so I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's tightness or just his default mode throughout his career

539
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Speaker 1: is always to just go for it. And he needed

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Speaker 1: to be smarter with that red zone pick, which was

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Speaker 1: an awful throw, and he almost it almost happened again

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Speaker 1: against Shield. But the thing I think you can say

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Speaker 1: in the rest of those five drives, like you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: when it got to thirteen seven, they needed a response,

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Speaker 1: and he came up with a couple of big throws

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Speaker 1: in that field goal drive to make it thirteen ten. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The play the last play, by the way against Fitzgerald,

548
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: and Fitzgerald should get a lot of the credit. There's

549
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Speaker 1: there's Clay Matthews coming up right on the middle out

550
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: of him, he avoids him. Then there's a free rusher.

551
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer does a spin move to get away from

552
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Speaker 1: a car Packers defender before finding Fitzgerald and throwing it

553
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: across his body. So that's the gun slinger aggressive Palmer

554
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: working out. So I don't think he got afraid of

555
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: the moment. He just kept going. It was kind of weird,

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Speaker 1: You're right, because he did look tight as the game

557
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: was progressing, but he was still he was almost like

558
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: tight and reckless, which doesn't really make sense, but that's

559
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Speaker 1: the way he played. But when it wasn't a good game,

560
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. In the end, I mean

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Speaker 1: the the play, the seventy five yard catch and run

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Speaker 1: by Fitzgerald and overtime was you know, that is all

563
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. You know, you give him fifty fifty credit

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00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: on it for spotting Fitzgerald having that type of field vision.

565
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then the final play, do

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Speaker 1: we have a brand lot of stiff arm at about

567
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: the third yard line? It's so great number forty two,

568
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: but she runs through six guys. The only you know,

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Speaker 1: the only reason he scores a great ankle tackle by

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00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: somebody in the secondary. Jacy Heyward, do we have? What

571
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: do we have? Bradward takes the snap play action passed

572
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Palmer setting up. He's in trouble. He's hit, rolls right,

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00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: grows back to the lofts. This white open con crazy

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Speaker 1: color guy he's at the fort at the fifty turns

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00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: up Color Guy five forty thirty flash st com starting twenty,

576
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: quits to the near side, town to the five and

577
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: tackles there. Carson Palmers trouble and found a wide open

578
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: fits five yards. Isn't there color guy Ron Wolfley? I know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the guy who sounds like I see the body of that.

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00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought he'd have a lot to say

581
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: there he went. He went as really asleep at the wheels,

582
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: like a Vince Skully situation. There, there's only one guy

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Step up your game, Arizona.

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: That's one of the biggest moments of franchise history. The

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00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: the team of around the NFL, which was so fun

586
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: to watch all year. You talked about it before the show, Dan,

587
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it's a little bit of a team of

588
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: destiny here, because this clearly was not their best game.

589
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: They survived a bad Palmer game, and you would hope

590
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: and you would think that moving forward, they're gonna play

591
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: a little looser, gonna play more of their game after

592
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Speaker 1: after dodging this narrow miss here. I think I'm a

593
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: little worried, though, and I want to pick the team

594
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: of a t L in the NFC title game, and

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00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: I do I buy into the destiny thing a little bit,

596
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: because it's amazing that they won that game of the

597
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: way he played for most of it. But don't you

598
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: worry about Carson Hammer, whether it's his finger or just

599
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't playing well. Going to Charlotte, where things go downhill,

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00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: quick for opponents as we saw, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: a little later that he he might struggle in that

602
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: venue with the crowd going nuts. I don't know. I'm

603
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: a little nervous of him a Cardinals fan about my quarterback.

604
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I think being on the road going to Carolina,

605
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: which is obviously an amped up scenario, that would have

606
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: me more worried than where the Cardinals actually are as

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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: a team. It was not a great game by Palmer.

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Speaker 1: But if we're gonna give the Patriots credit for passing

609
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game and being aggressive, we

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Speaker 1: have to give the same credit to Bruce arians. You're

611
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: not going to change who they are next week. They're

612
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: gonna go for it from wire to wire. And I

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00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: still believe the Cardinals were the better team. I totally

614
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: agree that the Panthers. The concern there is that they

615
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: haven't lost at home in four twenty seven days, not

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Speaker 1: that Carson Palmer is coming off a mediocre game before

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00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: we stayed goodbye to the Packers. Uh, it's amazing how

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00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: they've had some of these really painful playoff losses sneakily.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's not sneaky to Packers fans. But

620
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Speaker 1: this is now five straight years they made the playoffs

621
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Speaker 1: since they won their title, and everyone thinks, well, they

622
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: won their title, that doesn't make these hurt that much less.

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Speaker 1: And I had they still hurt. Guy on Twitter said,

624
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and any thought about the Packers cracking the pain rankings,

625
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Speaker 1: And I said, when you go far to Rogers N

626
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: two to present you get you don't get to do that,

627
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: but it does. There is um a level of agony

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Speaker 1: as a fan when you are the team that gets

629
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs every year and then you lose these

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Speaker 1: I mean, the last two years are absolutely andy and

631
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: and you you feel this as a Patriots fan that

632
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: watch your team lose the Super Bowl. That the problem

633
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: is a little bit that if you're one of these

634
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: bottom feeder teams, everyone's like, oh, yes, your team stinks

635
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: and we know it and everyone acknowledge it. When the

636
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: Packers lose games like this, everyone defaults to who's not

637
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: a Packers fan? Yeah, but they've had nothing but playoff

638
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: runs and it's easy. It's a whole different situation. It's

639
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: been rough for them, but they're not enough pain ranking.

640
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: But but this one was particularly excruciating. They played such

641
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: a great game and it wasn't worse than last year.

642
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: All that was to me the worst loss ever that

643
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: any team's ever had personally in my watching football. But

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00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: um to one last thought about the Packers, because this

645
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: stat is just crazy, because this is you'll never see

646
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: this again as long as you watch football. Packers were

647
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: facing a fourth and twenty from their own four yard

648
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: four yard line, down seven fifty five seconds left, no

649
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: time outs, and they tied the game, and then they lost.

650
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: But the tie, that game's crazy. And also it was great.

651
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, it was great to have Chris and Al

652
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: with us. Oh yeah, you're right, guys are in a bar.

653
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're able to hear it. But

654
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: they had a great game, and it was just especially

655
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: after Foulds Fouts had a tough game early in the

656
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: early game. Dan was all over the day, had a

657
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: nice game, he solid. Fout struggled throughout the early game.

658
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: To have Alan Chris calling that game a focus, I agree.

659
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: I the other week I said that that Mike Tarico

660
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: and Gruden had passed Alan Chris on my power ring

661
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: that that was wrong. I was too rash. It was

662
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: an emotional in the moment decision and after being home

663
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: a rare time and you'd be at home and watch

664
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Speaker 1: a game. I take it all back. I mean Chris

665
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: was so good. Oh he was locked in personnel will

666
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: be happy to hear that. Don't sleep on eye eagle

667
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: and very much a professional the Rise. He can podcast

668
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 1: all by himself. He's all he can handle, the total pro.

669
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: What they call him, the Beak and the bird or

670
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: the beardeat whatever. Who cares. All right, let's move on

671
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: to the Sunday games, and uh, we'll start in Charlotte,

672
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: a game we build heading into this week on the

673
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: podcast as the game of the weekend. And it was

674
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: a one score game in the end, but it was

675
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: not anything anybody could predict it because at halftime the

676
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers were up thirty one to nothing. And we're

677
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: talking about a historic one sided affair. The Seahawks shell shock,

678
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: my boy, Michael Bennett yelling at teammates, everyone frazzled on

679
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: the sideline. They can't make a field goal, they can't

680
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: convert on fourth down, Seattle, everything going wrong. Russell Wilson,

681
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, playing like McLamore behind center. But what happens

682
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: in the second half, a total flipping of The script

683
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: is the Seahawks that go nuts. They scored twenty four

684
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: points in the second half, shut out the Panthers. But

685
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: basic math, and I am no math expertish. You guys

686
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: know I got a thirty nine on a state mandated

687
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: math test as a tenth grader um back in Pearl River,

688
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: New York. Um. That sucks. It's hard to do, thank you,

689
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: But thirty one beats twenty four. Simply put, The Seahawks

690
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: put themselves in a hole that they could not dig

691
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: out of. So Caroline moves on and the Seahawks have

692
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: been slayed. The back to back defending conference champions are

693
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: dead reminded me a lot of last year's NFC title game,

694
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: with the Packers basically being dominant for a first half,

695
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: But the difference this time around was that the Panthers

696
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: got touchdowns. Packers settled for field goals last year and

697
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: kept the Seahawks in it. You don't come back from

698
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: thirty one to nothing, even with Russell Wilson. Well, I

699
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: think the Panthers dominance. Like when they put a thirty

700
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: minutes of dominant play on you, that's the most dominant

701
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes there is in the NFL this season, and

702
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: that's why they're fifteen and one, and then they can

703
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: go to this lackluster mode. As Cam Newton put it,

704
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: their butts were tight. You would have liked a lot

705
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: of butt talk from Cam Newton. He literally, but he

706
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: literally said tight butts three times in twenty second is

707
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: a cousin of the hot butt, right. But they're just

708
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: when they get on their roles, and they've done it

709
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: at different points of the season for twenty minutes and

710
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: they the game's over. You can't come back from that.

711
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they did it against the Packers, the Colts

712
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: and the Giants where they gave up these big leads,

713
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: but in the end they won all those games because

714
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: they were just too good early. It's if you look

715
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: at the score and you were to say, listen, they

716
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 1: got up thirty one nothing and this is the final score.

717
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: I would have expected a more dramatic second half, to

718
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: be honest, because it never really felt like the Seattle

719
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: crossed the threshold where they truly were going to tie

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: this thing up. It just was too little, too late.

721
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: But that said, it was one of the rare games

722
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Speaker 1: where we wrote a halftime post because of the first

723
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: half dominance. Was that unusual? And that's when it's bad?

724
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: I asked Wesley, you know, as they were climbing back

725
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: in Seattle, is this potentially the most daring thing we've

726
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: ever seen? Pete Carroll? Do allow Carolina to get up

727
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: by such a lead and it's such a deep psychological

728
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: warfare that they kind of take their foot off the

729
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: gas on there and here comes Seattle. But I a

730
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: would imagine that was not the strategy. After the Seahawks

731
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: second touchdown to make it there was right out of

732
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: the gates in the second half. They just came out

733
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Speaker 1: firing and Mark, Yeah, what did he? Ye just set

734
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: fire to my halftime post. Well, it's you know, I've

735
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: just written this thing, and like within five minutes, it

736
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: was like off the it was off the internet. I

737
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: don't look, I don't root for this happening to Mark.

738
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Speaker 1: But Mark does this a lot where he tries to

739
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: get ahead of a game or story. So he writes

740
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: a lot and then you know, as the NFL what

741
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: happens in the NFL teams get back in it and

742
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: it blows up Mark's post and then you could see

743
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: him simmering with raised for the Jimmy Garoppolo analysis piece. Yeah,

744
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: there are. Our editor Mark Ortega pointed out the same thing,

745
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: and I was unwilling to concede it at first, but

746
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: it's absolutely true. I've wasted hundreds of hours. You mentioned

747
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: that there was never any tense point in this game,

748
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: and I totally agree. The one more Men where it

749
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: felt like Seattle could legitimately get back in it was

750
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: after they did the fake punt uh down at the time,

751
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: and they had some momentum and you thought, well, if

752
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: they can score another touchdown there and there's still a

753
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: ton of time at that point in the game, but

754
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: they didn't. They stalled after the fake punt, they didn't

755
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: score there, and then when they finally got that Lake touchdown,

756
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: it just took two When when they got the second touchdown, yeah,

757
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: you thought that maybe they're gonna pull this off and

758
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: really get back in this game, but they just didn't

759
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: have enough momentum after that point. They obviously badly outplayed

760
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: the Panthers and in the second half. And what about

761
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: that though, because this is the second time we've seen

762
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: the Panthers lighting up an opponent and then take their

763
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: foot off the gas pedal and almost get beat because

764
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: of it. I can think of four Colts game, Packers,

765
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: game Giants game. It's a trend and they've talked about

766
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: it and came we could come back to haunt him

767
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: against You know, we're down to four the best teams

768
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: in the league now and and two more wins. They need.

769
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: They need to play a more well rounded game here.

770
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: The reason it surprised me to see Seattle storm back,

771
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: not so much just that, but for Carolina go to

772
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: completely dark on offense in the second half was that

773
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't They didn't get up thirty one nothing in

774
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: flukey ways. They absolutely dominated both lines, and that's how

775
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you would expect a forty five to ten finish. Seattle's

776
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: defensive lineman Michael Bennett Cliff Avril, like we've been watching

777
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: them dominate. They had nothing, no answers for Jonathan Stewart early.

778
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: I think when they lost Avril or Ava for the

779
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: game early, that was a big problem because they had

780
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: no pass rush. Even in the second half when they

781
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: were stopping them, they didn't really have any pass rush,

782
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: which was different than what we saw all year. I

783
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: look at it just like the Seattle Seahawks were one

784
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: of the three or four best teams in the entire league.

785
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: And it was weird how this game was all one

786
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: way and then all the other way. But in the

787
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,240
Speaker 1: end it's sort of turned out what you would expect.

788
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: I Seattle should have had some dominant moments in this game.

789
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: It just happened to all be in a row. I mean,

790
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: this is an awesome Seahawks team, where if you had

791
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: given them the one seed, if they had been a

792
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: good team during the regular season, they didn't earn it.

793
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Like it wouldn't have surprised me at all for them

794
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: to win a couple of home games and go to

795
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. It wouldn't have surprised if Seattle won

796
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: this game. We picked a lot of us picked them.

797
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: If you're a Seahawks fan making excuses about the poor

798
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: field conditions or the early East Coast time, the whole

799
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: times on things, just stop, stop whinding a better human being.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your three great seasons in a row and the

801
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: fact that you'll be back in the playoffs again next year.

802
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: And maybe though, as we were talking about downstairs, the

803
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: end for Marshawn Lynch, because my big question would have

804
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: been he wasn't effective early and did not look right

805
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: to me because by anybody missing open space right and

806
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: and as you asked downstairs, where was Kristin Michael. I mean,

807
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: he probably was the better option and it was too late.

808
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: That's tough though, if you're the coach, because it is

809
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: tough to take him out of the lineup because you

810
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 1: never know when Lynch is gonna break when and doesn't

811
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: look like Marshall Lynch, you don't want to take him off.

812
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: I know Kristin Michaels played pretty well since he came back,

813
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: but I mean he's Christin Michael still ultimately well in

814
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: the first half. I don't think you could have put

815
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Walter Payton back there. I'm not sure would have mattered

816
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: with the way Carolina's front seven was playing. Well, he's dead,

817
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: so that wouldn't have been a good And that was

818
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. That was an ugly way to approach that.

819
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Speaker 1: And I think the point was made, well, Lynch has dude,

820
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Lynch has an eleven point five million dollar capit. I

821
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's any way he's back after Thomas Rawls

822
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: thoroughly outplayed him there. You know, it's weird that commercial

823
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: um with Eric Dickerson that they play all the time

824
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: where he talks about Walter Walter Payton. I guess it's

825
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award, and

826
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Speaker 1: Eric Dickerson is supposed to be sharing a memory about

827
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Speaker 1: Walter Payton, and his memory is that when he introduced

828
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: himself to Walter Payton when he was a young player,

829
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Walter Payton said he knew who he was. So it

830
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: was kind of like a humble brag. Well, there was

831
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: another element to it, but to out of the gate,

832
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: it was absolutely And why while we're here on commercials

833
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: that are getting played constantly, I tweeted about this the

834
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: nationwide commercial with Peyton Manning where you know he's wearing

835
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: the shorts and playing golf and and then he's playing

836
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: ping pong and he goes the comeback starts epic come

837
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Speaker 1: back starts right now, hits it the kid returned serve.

838
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: Manning swings and misses, but the kid's returned serve doesn't

839
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: hit the table. So the point is Manning's he should

840
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: know that it's a fair point. Come back did start

841
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: right there, and he doesn't even know the rules. How

842
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: is he gonna make a comeback? Read into it? How

843
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: you will one looking ahead to this week's Safety Championship game.

844
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I think one one part of

845
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: the Panthers we didn't really talk about was the defensive

846
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: line and Kiwan Short and Startle your playing so well

847
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: early and dominated. They had fourteen QB hits today. The

848
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: Panthers did, including three from Jared Allen, who sounds like

849
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: he may or may not be able to play next week.

850
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: But that the Seattle problems that they had earlier in

851
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: the year kind of came out in this game. I mean,

852
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: they start games poorly, they start seasons poorly. They can't

853
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: protect Russell Wilson, especially up the middle, and that was

854
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: a big part of why they fell behind. Speaking of

855
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Speaker 1: hog Molly's I love the Dave Geentleman's sideline shot standing

856
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Speaker 1: with Ernie of Corsi, and whenever I could see Ernie

857
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: of Corsi's hair at any time, I'm excited. I don't

858
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't disagree or just Jet Black main on Erny

859
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: of course, any of course he must be like a

860
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: hundred and seven at this point. But I mean I

861
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: love the guy Old Browns general manager, Giants general manager. Yeah,

862
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: those two guys get him, and of course he go

863
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: way back with the Giants front office, and I believe,

864
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: of course he got him the job in Carolina as

865
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: a consultant, so that you know, Cam Newton said, you know,

866
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: tight butts, which is a um cousin of the hot butt.

867
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: But but but but do we have any Are we

868
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: nervous at all about the Panthers what we saw in

869
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: the second half to you know, going, we'll get into

870
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: the games. But did that spook you at all? Or

871
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: was that if you watch the interview after the game

872
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: that Cam did. I don't know if you guys saw that. Um,

873
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: he clearly was not perturbed. But when he said, yeah, well,

874
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, we were pretty conservative in the second half,

875
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: I think he was a little frustrated how conservative the

876
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: offense was. I guess you could kind of mark it

877
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: off to that because they certainly did not play the

878
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: same way in terms of passing the ball and all

879
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: that that was on Cam. His his mechanics back slid

880
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: in the second half and he wasn't setting his feet again.

881
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: They were annoyed. It was a weird feeling to the

882
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: fact because this is the first time they made the

883
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: NFC title games in two thousand and five, I believe

884
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and so this is a celebratory, biggest moment of Camp's career.

885
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: But from Rivera to keik Lee to Camp, all of them.

886
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: After the game, we're a little annoyed about the game,

887
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: which maybe isn't a bad thing. You go into the

888
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: title game a little you get. You know, they had

889
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: a chance to go in at halftime up thirty one nothing.

890
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: You know they could have if they would have stayed

891
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: playing at that level and one ten or something. Yeah,

892
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: you're right, they're they're flying into the NFC title game.

893
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: I think it's actually did happened at the perfect time

894
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: because instead of wiping out Seattle and maybe thinking a

895
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: little too highly of yourselves and everyone suddenly saying, oh,

896
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: you know what, they are just that team, they had

897
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: a wake up call in the second half where you

898
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: just said at the coach, the quarterback, everyone on Mike Scheuel,

899
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: everyone on both sides the ball, says we can't let

900
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: that happen again. At it's a perfect timing for Carolina.

901
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: They're not gonna let it happen next week. I like that.

902
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any predictive value in doing that.

903
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: It seems like a habit. But to me, when you

904
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: take something more tangible, like the fact that Larry Fitzgerald

905
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: is gonna absolutely toast Courtland Finnegan because Finnegan had an

906
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: off problem. He's a problem, and I would be more concerned.

907
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: I won't say anything because you know I've been on

908
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: his bad side. But you got a salty expletive laced

909
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: direct messages from him, didn't you. I did. He's had

910
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: a very good career, but he was a liability today

911
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: in coverage and as a tackler. That that corner well

912
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: we'll get into it, but yeah, they're loss of those

913
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: two of their top three cornerbacks. I think if it's

914
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: ever gonna show up, it's gonna show up against the

915
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. I agree. Which takes us to the final

916
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: game of a divisional round weekend. The game played that

917
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: mile High Stadium investco Field at Mile High That's correct,

918
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: something like that. I become the authority on corporate stadium

919
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: name you. It just shows you you're you're such a

920
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: hunge for football knowledge, how far you've come. But this

921
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: game with Peyton Manning behind center, um takes care of business.

922
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: They took care of business. They beat the Pittsburgh Steelers

923
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: and beat up Steelers team that clearly uh Ben Roethlisberger

924
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: a gutty performance playing with all those injuries, but no

925
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown certainly was a factor in this game. Even

926
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: if mart Thavios Bryant did step up, uh, they did

927
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: not move the ball as well, and it came down

928
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: to a big fumble. Big fumble saved them when Jeremy

929
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Hill fumbled last week for the Bengals, setting up the

930
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: game winning field goal with the help of all those

931
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: personal fouls, But this time it was a fumble from

932
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: their own, their own Steeler running back remind me of

933
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: his name, fits Tusson, fits Tucsson, Thank you fumbles setting

934
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: up the game winning touchdown dry by the Broncos. The

935
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: defense holds and game over the Broncos and Peyton Manning

936
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: back to the n f C titled Game Greg for

937
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: the second time and Manning's four years in Denver, well,

938
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: it's weird to see this formula work in the playoffs

939
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: and that it that it is the Broncos formula. But

940
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: this is the Broncos team we saw all year that

941
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: the defense holds, the other team keeps, keeps the offense

942
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: in the game. As the passing game and Peyton Manning

943
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: is doing nothing, and then Manning somehow comes up with

944
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: his best drive of the game at the end to

945
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: win it. The defense holds. The special teams got six

946
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: points in this game early, which ended up being a

947
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: big factor. And on you go, it's it's ugly and

948
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: Manning is, you know, the fourth or fifth or tenth

949
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: reason why they're winning. But I don't think it makes

950
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: them any less effective. This is a defense that has

951
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: the capability to make plays at the end of game.

952
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Let's call them down. They gave up four yards. This

953
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: was not a good defensive performer. They gave up Wade

954
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: Phillips got out coached by Todd Haley. They didn't have

955
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: their two best running backs in their best wide receiver,

956
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: and the Steelers moved the ball up and down the

957
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: field pretty regular but they didn't finish drives and and

958
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: a lot of that was because not a dominant defense.

959
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't today, that's for sure. I think they have

960
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: the capability and the personnel to play dominant defense. It

961
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: was not today. But what they were, like we talked

962
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: about with situation of football, was very good in the

963
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: key situations. Fourth in one Pittsburgh decides to go for

964
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: it early. Uh, Denver was ready to make that play,

965
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: and they stopped him. They blitzed them late to Marcus

966
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: Ware stops Ben Roethlisberger late in the game. They get

967
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: the fumble when they absolutely need it. A lot of

968
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: times they got the sack of Ben Roethlisberger to knock

969
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: him out of field goal range. I mean, in the end,

970
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: they made all the big plays. I I know, you

971
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: know we were getting Greg and I were getting into

972
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: it downstairs because I I want to feel like you

973
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: believe what you're saying about Denver. I don't believe that.

974
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: I just don't matter. I don't don't buy into this team, right,

975
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. They haven't played awesome defense.

976
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: It's the first half in Their quarterback is a humongous liability.

977
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and I think this is what

978
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: Greg is probably getting out a little bit at least partly,

979
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: is that even when they don't have a great defensive

980
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: game and Peyton Manning's bringing little to the table, they

981
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: still find a way to win a game. You deserve

982
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: that they get credit. I guess, right, if we end

983
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: up what would be the biggest disaster scenario. Of all

984
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: these teams we've talked about, the number one is Denver

985
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: getting into the super Bowl. And it's not a knock

986
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: on Broncos fans, one of the best fan bases in

987
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: the league, but this is not the team that should

988
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: be in this situation. Part of it, it's a sport.

989
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: It should be fun to watch. Let's start there. That's

990
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: where it should be fun. No, no no, no, I just

991
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I think that part of this is trying I and

992
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Greg you know what, Listen, You're probably coming from a

993
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: totally different angle, but I feel like we're trying to

994
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: sell this a f C championship in a way that

995
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: New England doesn't have it in the bag, you know,

996
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: if they might not really be that good of a

997
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: team in Denver has a lot of strong points to it,

998
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: but these games come down. They're gonna talk all week

999
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: about Brady versus Manning. What's most depressing is the legacy

1000
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: of what all that is does not exist right now.

1001
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is not even a serviceable quarterback at the moment.

1002
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: I disagree. I think I think that he is serviceable. Okay, well,

1003
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: then I used the wrong word, but I think I

1004
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: don't think he had a pretty good gaming. He didn't

1005
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: kill them today. He did not turn the ball over.

1006
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: He made some passes, especially on the game winning drive.

1007
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: Uh you know, and he did not listen that he

1008
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: got his receivers. Did it helped him out his running backs,

1009
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: drops and passes. Man and can't throw deep anymore. He

1010
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: misses receivers a lot now. But now he is you know,

1011
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: well below the Dalton line. But he is not just

1012
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: completely awful where brock Oswater is in the game today

1013
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: because that was never even considering. Well, here's where I

1014
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: have a problem with Peyton Manning, and it is something

1015
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: that that we talked about downstairs that if they get

1016
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: if you get them into second and third down situations

1017
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: where it's not they just need more than three or

1018
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: four yards, they're in hot water. Because yes, Peyton Manning

1019
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: completed twenty one passes, but he is nearly in the

1020
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: Gabbard zone today because of the fact that really he's

1021
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: completely limited as a thrower, and the route tree and

1022
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: everything they can do with their wide receivers is not

1023
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: NFL offense worthy right now, not a f C championship worthy. No,

1024
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: that's true of Manning, but they have da Marius Thomas,

1025
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: they have Emmanuel Sanders, they have an offense kind of

1026
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: like the Chiefs, kind of like the Packers that needs

1027
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: to be precise, and they can't afford the penalties. They

1028
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: can't afford the drops. That's why I don't think he

1029
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: had an awful, awful game. Three of those drives stopped

1030
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: because the third down drops. He goes one thirty seven.

1031
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't make any big mistakes. If you if you

1032
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: don't drop those passes, they're moving the ball along. And

1033
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: you're right, he still has to be the like fourth

1034
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: reason that they win the games. You need the defense

1035
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: to play great, you need the running game to be better,

1036
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: and it's hard to win games like that. But they

1037
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: just did it again, and they've done it enough to

1038
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: get the number one seed in the a f C

1039
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: because of when Peyton Manning is playing, and and to

1040
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: Mark's point, like Peyton Manning was almost sheepish after the

1041
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: game talking to Tracy Wilson because he's aware of that

1042
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: he is not the guy that is leading them. It's

1043
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: such a different part of his career now where he

1044
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: is just they're trying to almost hide him to get

1045
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: through these games. And that's weird and but really, when

1046
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: you look ahead to Sunday and again we'll get into it.

1047
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: What makes it a strange AFC title game and a

1048
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: strange Peyton Brady thing is it's no longer to to

1049
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: juggernauts going against each other. It's one guy that really

1050
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: most likely is in his last season. You think Peyton

1051
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Manning or or I hope so, to be honest with you,

1052
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: is in his last season. And Tom Brady, who is

1053
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: still one of the best players in the league. So

1054
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a huge mismatch of the quarterback position.

1055
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: But the Broncos have enough, especially if their running game

1056
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: can get going next week where the I think they

1057
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: can hang in that game. I don't think it will

1058
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: be a blowout and imited way too long to get CJ.

1059
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Anderson going today. They cannot toy around with that next week.

1060
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: You hear our uncles and our dads always talk about

1061
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: the lamentable scene of Willy Mays playing the outfield for

1062
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: the New York Mets. That was Peyton Manning today when

1063
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: he gave himself up on that sack and then got

1064
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: up and had his biggest playing the game. The rest

1065
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: messed the call, but he gave himself up on that

1066
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: he was doing that when he was winning the m

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00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: v P. He'say for which is their fault if that's

1068
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: the way it is. But I mean, I couldn't agree more.

1069
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: I think I think it sounds like we're don't like painting,

1070
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: But the part of it, it's not to that degree.

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00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: Come on, right, we're watching a shadow of what he

1072
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: was and that's not No I'm not saying you're arguing,

1073
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: but but that's just trying to act like the Broncos.

1074
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, Tom Brady is so much

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00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: better than Peyton Maning that the pages have to be

1076
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: the clear favorite. I agree. This used to be when

1077
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: we would look at Brady versus Manning, it would be

1078
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, who's gonna win the game? Which quarterback has

1079
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: the better game? You can't look at that game next

1080
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: Sunday like that. This is about which team is better,

1081
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: and the Broncos having enough pieces as a team, including

1082
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: his weapons Manning's weapons where it could be a battle.

1083
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: It's just it's different now, and it's kind of strange.

1084
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: It has to be said on third and twelve, after

1085
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: you know everyone's going to say the tusson Fumbo that's

1086
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: what lost it for the Seelers. Right after special teams

1087
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: were disaster. Special teams was a bad job for them too.

1088
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: Right after that fumble, it's third and twelve. Uh, the Steelers,

1089
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: I think they blitzed on that play. They're getting some

1090
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: pressure on Peyton Manning and he threads the needle for

1091
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: a thirty two yard throw to the fowler, which was

1092
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: by far Manning's best play of the game. I would

1093
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: say it's his only throw that really stood out, but

1094
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: it was also his biggest throw of the game. Because

1095
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: if that's incomplete, they're punting the ball right back to

1096
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: the Steelers. They're they're right in the same field position

1097
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: that they were. But he hit that throw, and then

1098
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: he hit the next throw, and then they ran the ball,

1099
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: and the offense came through at the end when they

1100
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: when they couldn't. And I to me, it just shows

1101
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: that to me, that's worth something, like you have to

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00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: give them credit for winning a division around game, no

1103
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: matter how banged up the Steelers were. Sure and from

1104
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: a Steelers angle, people will focus on the Tsan fumble,

1105
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: but they had the ball again with three minutes to

1106
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: go and a chance to tie the game. They didn't

1107
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: get it done, and the Bengals and Steelers killed themselves.

1108
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: They knocked themselves out of out of contention this year

1109
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: because I honestly think the Steelers would have won this

1110
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: game if they had Antonio Bryant Brown on the field.

1111
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: I actually I do think that. I think this was

1112
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: obviously a close game that went Toussan fumbled the ball.

1113
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: They had a one point lead in Denver territory. I mean,

1114
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: they had a chance to win this game. And if

1115
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: you put the best wide receiver in football in the field,

1116
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: I think it would have made the difference. I agree,

1117
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: especially in this game where receivers were open, which which

1118
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: is a concern for Denver. I mean, the receivers were open,

1119
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: and Roethlisberger was Roethlisberger just he was throwing the ball downfield.

1120
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: He looked like his old self to me. Yeah, that that.

1121
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: And you said the Bengals knocked knocked this themselves out,

1122
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: or knocked the Steelers out, But it's really Vonta's perfect.

1123
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean, lock knocked Lavan Bell out for the season,

1124
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: he knocked Antonio Brown out, he injured Roethlisberger, though that

1125
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: didn't really seem to be a factor in this game,

1126
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger looked the same as he ever is. You look

1127
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: at the Broncos chances point forward. The inescapable fact is

1128
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: that in six home games this year, Peyton Manning has

1129
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: one touchdown in eight interceptions, which is beyond and beyond inept.

1130
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: Defense has to play better. They need the defense to

1131
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: play like we were talking about really early in the

1132
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: season that they could be like the Seahawks from a

1133
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I mean, they need to have

1134
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: one of those types of games. I think the football

1135
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: um cogniscente West and the people out in the Desert Nevada,

1136
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: everyone is gonna look at the Broncos as an underdog

1137
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: in their own building. Then maybe we'll draw off that.

1138
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know right, but the same group was saying

1139
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: how the Patriots, not that they were Everyone was picking

1140
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots to lose, but saying, well, the Patriots, they

1141
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: haven't been the same team, They're not the same and

1142
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: then one game flips all that. That's why, that's why

1143
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: the NFL's the NFL. The Patriots were materially different. They

1144
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: got Julian Edeman and Gronk and him and or healthy,

1145
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: and that makes all the difference in the world. That's

1146
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: why Wes's tagline for the NFL is the NFL you

1147
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: figure it out because we don't know what we're talking

1148
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: about half the time. Is it you just you figure

1149
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: it out? Or is it then comma because we don't know?

1150
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: Short and sweet, I had like the subtitle underneath, like

1151
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: the longest title in the book has vanity you are

1152
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: al Well, there there you go, guys. That is a

1153
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: nice recap of all four games professional. I thought we

1154
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: hit on a lot of good points, fire, a little

1155
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: bit of mirth, crazy eyes, let's job a little crazy. Well.

1156
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: I just want Greg to be honest. What are you

1157
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 1: talking about out with Mark? I don't think Greg's being honest.

1158
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: That's it that you're imputing my character. I am imputing

1159
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: your character. And now you're taking it to an even

1160
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: greater degree by sticking up for yourself when you know

1161
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: that you don't really believe. You don't believe. Why would I?

1162
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: Why would I make that? You're doubling down. You're insane.

1163
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a great week. I'm looking forward

1164
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: to uh we have uh, let's see two more shows

1165
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: before Championship Sunday. It's sad there's only three games left

1166
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: left this season. Guys, that's not the Pro Bowl. Let's

1167
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 1: not forget that. That's not sad. I have forgotten it already,

1168
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: Like even when you just mentioned it, it's gone. I

1169
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: don't even know what we were talking about. Four games.

1170
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: You can watch game pass all off season. Football never ends,

1171
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, I will be watching is the Pro Bowl Draft?

1172
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: I always tune in for that. No comment, good luck,

1173
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: it will be great. I want to party with This

1174
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: was the Around the NFL podcast, sponsored of course by

1175
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,919
Speaker 1: Scott trade Um, and we'll be back on Tuesday with

1176
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: the first of I said, two shows as we lead

1177
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: up to Championship weekend. The Throne of ease uh still alive.

1178
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: So congratulations Greg. We keep on rolling with the throne

1179
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: of each I can't do I mean, another week of

1180
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with the Patriots. It just can't happen.

1181
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: We need something to happen. Peyton Man, go down to Florida,

1182
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: go talk to that guy. See what you can do.

1183
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: We need you. Go to go to Sweden, go somewhere

1184
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: you want the Broncos and the Super Bowl. See now

1185
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, pray do something I don't know and if

1186
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: the Broncos do make the Super Bowl. Greg gotta make

1187
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: sure marks on the Peyton Manning beat. Of course, why not.

1188
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: I'll bring some honesty to the subject. All right, we

1189
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: will be back Tuesday, as I said. So this is

1190
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Dan hansis signing off four Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the

1191
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: Boss b Mark behind the Glass till Tuesday. Damn Jack here.

1192
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: Make sure you check out the latest episode of the

1193
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: Dave Damage Check Football program. Matt Harmon, Handsome Hank and

1194
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Speaker 1: I are picking the divisional round games and talking a

1195
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