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Speaker 1: Inanapolis. They sees the twenty twenty three NFL combine on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I am Dale Lally, he

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson and Matt um the participants taking to

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Speaker 1: the field here. Yeah, yeah, any minute. No, we can't

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Speaker 1: see it obviously. We're in the Indian Indiana Convention Center

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Speaker 1: across the street from Lucas Oil Stadium, right, but we

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Speaker 1: Nothing's happening yet. They're still commercial, but you know we're

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Speaker 1: coming here soon. So tomorrow morning, bright and early, the

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman will be here. Um. Usually that's flip flopped

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Speaker 1: right right right for schedule whatever reason. This year they

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Speaker 1: they put the uh. I think a big key is

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Speaker 1: they wanted quarterbacks throwing to receivers on Saturday night for

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Speaker 1: here today as well. They'll all work out tomorrow pass

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Speaker 1: catchers and right, so the offensive linemen and running backs

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Speaker 1: will then take the field the following day on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty cool system they have. I mean the

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Speaker 1: way that you know you do this this day and

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Speaker 1: And you know, you know how that works. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: they'll all be available. You'll see a lot of the

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Speaker 1: interviews and things of that nature coming out from the

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Speaker 1: running backs and offensive linemen tomorrow, which means that the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and wide receivers will work out tomorrow. Tonight is

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Speaker 1: all about the defensive backs. Yeah, and I think tonight's

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Speaker 1: gonna light it up. I mean in terms of agility, speed,

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Speaker 1: excited to see who stands out in that regard. You know,

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Speaker 1: then starting now, I mean from three o'clock on the

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's a it's a long, long, long

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Speaker 1: accomplished when we come up. When we get off the

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Speaker 1: I mean, our our plan as we go back to

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Speaker 1: We're gonna write and do other things, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: pay attention to this into the night, and then try

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Speaker 1: to catch up on all the scores and then compare

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Speaker 1: who stood out and why? And is that a misnomer?

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Speaker 1: Is it just a one off? Or is that something

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it when Dane was here. I think there's

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Speaker 1: a really good chance Gonzales is the consensus corner one

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Speaker 1: Dale Lally. We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine

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Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis, Indiana, and we'll be back with more

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Speaker 1: live from the scouting Combine right after this. Live from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: running now on the field. Banks is up right now

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Speaker 1: we don't know what the officials are, no, right, they

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Speaker 1: for safeties and really slots not that important. Oh, Julius,

421
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Speaker 1: Brent's up here now, okay, but we got him at

422
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: it and so he is a big now he looks

423
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 1: apart and lean cornerback absolutely looks apart. Yeah. Um, getting

424
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 1: him open up and get doing well here. Yeah, he

425
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: was at the Senior Bowl. He made money from self

426
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl too. Yeah, he plopped down, he did well,

427
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 1: he did well. Somebody had to be good on the case.

428
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 1: The team, right, I mean it was right. They had

429
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: the edge rusher two. It's a pretty some player and

430
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Speaker 1: you know, induce m hmduce and the deuce for a

431
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: big corner like at four or five three for his size,

432
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: for his size, because of the length, right, that's not

433
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: going to hurt him. No, I wouldn't think nobody, nobody

434
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: expected him to come out and run a four four.

435
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know what his camp's thinking, but

436
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I bet he's going to take another crack at of

437
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: If I could get the four four nine, it'll look

438
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,360
Speaker 1: a little better. And again these you know, these will

439
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: be adjusted once the you know, the the official times

440
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: come in, and it's different if you're one hundred and

441
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds worse two ten, right, you know, yeah, absolutely,

442
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: couple tens a second six two six, you know him,

443
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: him running that is the same as a guy who's

444
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 1: five nine running a four three five. Yeah, because of

445
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: the he can cover, so it's not that big of

446
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: a deal. I'm not familiar with the Sinci corner here,

447
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: the cinc dB. Yeah, this is where guys like he,

448
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: you know him, who's looked at more down the road

449
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: and he ran a four to five four. Yeah, I

450
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: don't think he's a top prospect. I don't know much

451
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: about him, which is still you know, it's only fast

452
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Speaker 1: enough if it's only bad time, if you're the safety

453
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: or corner, especially if the safety. I mean there wasn't

454
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: long ago there were safeties running high four sixes here.

455
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: That's all the time, and nobody bad an eye, and

456
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you know that's what safeties do. Yeah, because you're not

457
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: even more worried about change of direction and things like that. Uh,

458
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: Louisville guys have been fast at this combine. He's one

459
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: hundred eighty one pounds five ten one eighty one kt

460
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 1: Trull Clark. Um, I would think he needs to move

461
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: well here, yeah, better fly? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I assume

462
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: he's a slot yeah um so yeah um, and he's

463
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: getting lined up here. This is very exciting radio. It is. Uh,

464
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: we're just we're just fascinated by all this because we

465
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: haven't anything to talk about all day long on the field.

466
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: And good start. Looks fast four four two, that's what

467
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: that's what you want. Yeah, his feet were moving there. Yeah,

468
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: so he's gonna be happy with that. Yeah. Why why

469
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: would you not be What do you think you would run?

470
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: Right now? Oh? Man? Seven? Seven? Do you think it's

471
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: high or lower? Seven is pretty low? That's really low.

472
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: I haven't run anywhere. Here's Forbes actually one sixty six. Yeah,

473
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: he looked, I mean he just looks lean and yeah,

474
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm one sixty six. It is kind of a deal

475
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: breaker from I mean, look at the legs, the skinny,

476
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: the ankles, the you know, the whole he's got to

477
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: tackle Nick Chubb and you know, yeah that's a problem. Yeah.

478
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't love that. Now if he runs four threes here,

479
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean yeah, but I don't think he's

480
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: gonna get up and look that one. Yeah, I mean

481
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: he is just super legal. Five there. Didn't seem like

482
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: he came out that fast. But he is a pretty

483
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: long strider. Yeah. Boy, he is skinny, and just the

484
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: frame is it's like fragile looking. Yeah, you know, like

485
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: his bone structure and his wrists and his ankles. Yeah,

486
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna be probably troublesome for him. He has no calves.

487
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: You know, his waist is really little. I mean he's

488
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: at a twenty eight inch waist. I mean I don't know. Yeah,

489
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean he looks like he's all arms and legs

490
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: because he would scare the way he's built. Yeah, I

491
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: don't want him to a line of scrimmage, you know,

492
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: right right, that's gonna be again. I like the tape,

493
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: yeah right right around. The players did some good things

494
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: last year, but you know, it is what it is.

495
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: McKay garner here at six to two hundred and twelve pounds, Yeah,

496
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Not everyone's stock goes up. Here

497
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: at his rocked up Now he looks good looking body

498
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: type here, Yeah, that's what's that's what you looks like

499
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: his long limbs, but he's muscular. Yeah, but yeah, so

500
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: you know Forbes have got like Forbes. I'm I kind

501
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: of a week ago, I kind of looked at Forbes

502
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: and Banks and thought they're in the same tier. I

503
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: don't think they're close. Now, yeah, and that's they didn't

504
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: do anything different on the football field, but right, you

505
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: know one of them's you know, yeah, that's the thing

506
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: you got, you had, you know, not in they're not

507
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: in the pads and checking boxes and the good banner

508
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: were the other ones like, oh, that's calls Christian Gonzalez

509
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: looks like a Pro Bowl corner body. What's your guess here?

510
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Four three I'm gonna say four three three, I'm gonna

511
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: say four three flat about three front. They've only been

512
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: I think seventeen guys in the history of the combines

513
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: since they started tracking it in uh, going back to

514
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: two thousand, um who have broke under four under four

515
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: three and seven guys the dree Archers and a very

516
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: very small guy, right, you know, yeah, he is not that. No, No,

517
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean I wouldn't be blown away.

518
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: So getting into the four twos is really difficult. But

519
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: uh oh man, I'll get He's still those two hundred pounds.

520
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: He's got that track background four to four to four,

521
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: So I bet he's not happy with that. Probably not.

522
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that changes anyone's opinion of No, that's

523
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, that's more than solid. Like I don't think

524
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: he's fasten off anyone doubt that's the case. Yeah, I

525
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: mean his size at two pounds, that's perfectly I mean

526
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: he's got shoulders and biceps, and I mean he's got

527
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: a good bill. Yeah, if you see him after he

528
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: just saw Manuel Forbes, he's guys play the same position. Absolutely, No,

529
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: that's still a lot much of the problem for Forbes

530
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: in this kind of setting, um, you know, as good

531
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: zals froday it might be four three one. Yeah, but yeah,

532
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's not thrilled with that. But I wouldn't

533
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: kill yourself over and no I wouldn't either. But they're

534
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: going to break, Yeah, they're going to break. Maybe we

535
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: should go to break two because we have got an

536
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: interview that we want to play back. He really go

537
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: to a segment that we did earlier this week with

538
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: Greg co Sell of NFL Films, So we will do

539
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Speaker 1: that one. You're going to take breakdown. He is Matt Williamson.

540
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

541
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right

542
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

543
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

544
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: We are live from the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

545
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: The players on the field running. One of the guys

546
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: who has followed this for a long long time is

547
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: NFL analyst Greg co Sell of NFL Films. We got

548
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with Greg earlier this week.

549
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: Is okay, I guess we can't go to that quite yet.

550
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: One thing NFL Network has really improved on was it

551
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: used to be they go to commercial and you miss

552
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: all the forties. Now they record them and they give

553
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: him to your rapid fire. There's like ten in a row,

554
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: kayo Blue Kelly Randa four or five? Two? Did he?

555
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was just up therese has

556
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: some ties to one Michael Tomlin sure does. How big

557
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: is he five eleven, you know when he's not tiny though? No.

558
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: One ninety two? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wonder if he's

559
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: just stumbled there for a Sutton inside outside type guy.

560
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah kind of I think kind of same William Gay

561
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: that Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of ability, that same

562
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: kind of guy, bigger slot but not an undersized outside guys.

563
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: Dad played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when Tomlin was

564
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: his position coach, so there's some familiarity there. Yeah. And

565
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: his dad was that kind of player, Yeah, he was.

566
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: He was a feisty, you know, part of a really

567
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: good defense. Ronde Barber got more of the headlines and stuff,

568
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: but Kelly was a really good player. Yeah. I mean

569
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, so you know that that cover two kind

570
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: of cornerback. Those guys are physical too. I mean those

571
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: cover two corners, you're basically don't really go further than

572
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: fifteen yards down field very often, and you're banging guys around.

573
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: You're staying here live of screamage, you're fighting screens, you're

574
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: getting crossers, you know, you're taking on blockers, things like that, right, right, Um,

575
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I iced had time there for Darryl Looter Junior or

576
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: four six. He's a kind of a jacked up guy

577
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: with it. He's good. Long limbs, yeah, long, long limbs. Um.

578
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: The record whole or the best right now is four

579
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: three one for the day. Yeah. The other Maryland's quarter

580
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, so Maryland doing well for itself. Here

581
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: is the camera Mitchell at about him too. Yeah. Um,

582
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: you see what he cameraon Mitchell. I don't know this guy.

583
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: Another Northwestern goes see if he tears it up like

584
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Eddie h oh, yeah, right, give their strength and conditioning

585
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: program with thumbs up. Yeah, absolutely, five ten, one ninety one.

586
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: So he's there's been a couple of schools that really

587
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: start to show up better and better on calm dot

588
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Penn State lately it's really done really well. Yeah, they

589
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: have one stuff and that's why I'm interested to see

590
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: how Porter does in this and if you know, if

591
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: they're strength and conditioning programs, he should be up pretty soon.

592
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: We're on MC's so if he's in this group Africa,

593
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: there might be in the second group. I don't know.

594
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: They used to cut the groups off though, I think so.

595
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: Yesterday morning when they did the interviews, Porter and Gonzalez

596
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: were at the same podium, it's he should be in

597
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, he should be in this Yeah. So

598
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I think he's coming up soon. They were in the

599
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: second group with defensive backs that came out, so maybe

600
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: they flip flopped that. Okay. Oh, in an interview ready

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: here with Greg co Selwark. So we did talk to

602
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: Greg co Sell of NFL Films earlier this week and uh,

603
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: well always like yeah, always good stuff. So we wanted

604
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to play that back before we end the show today.

605
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: So here is Greg co Sell. Our guest now is

606
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Speaker 1: Greg co Sell from NFL Films. Greg, how are you doing? Well?

607
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: My change of direction isn't quite as good as it

608
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: used to be. Yea. Other than that, I'm doing okay

609
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: in my forties, probably a little slower, little flow. Yeah.

610
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: So how many years of NFL films now? I just

611
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: finished my forty thirds. That's awesome. Congratulations coming to the combine,

612
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: I think since nineteen ninety eight. Wow, very cool. So

613
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: you've seen seen a lot of stuff. You're seeing a

614
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: lot of crazy stuff here. Have you seen anything like

615
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: what happened with Jalen Carter this morning? I mean, you see,

616
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I can't you know, I can't remember you know, specifics,

617
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: but I mean, obviously, uh, I did speak to a

618
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: scout who would know, he's very connected with the SEC

619
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: who did tell me that in his mind, that's not

620
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: a surprise that Carter is a guy that they've struggled

621
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: with all the year and they've just been at Georgia.

622
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: They just try to get him to the games every week,

623
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: that there's issues with him on a regular basis. I

624
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: don't know what those issues are. I'm just reciting something

625
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: I was told by someone who would know. See, so

626
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that was an issue last year they cropped up with

627
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: George Pickens. There was this, oh well, there were some

628
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: problems at Georgia, and then he comes to the Steelers.

629
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: Last year they were they didn't have any problems with them.

630
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: So I don't is it a Georgia thing. I don't know.

631
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: We don't know that. Although I could tell you that

632
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: I thought George Pickens was the best receiving prospect in

633
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: the draft last year. I remember this time last year,

634
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: you thought Pickens was the best receiver and Pickett was

635
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: the best quarterback. So I didn't think that, Yeah, where

636
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: he had on Pickett Now, I thought Pickett had a

637
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: really solid rookie season. I thought he improved. Clearly, there's

638
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: some things he definitely has to work on. We can

639
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: discuss as if you like. But I thought, you know,

640
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: this is not an X and O point, but I

641
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: think the one thing you clearly see with Pickett is

642
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: he sees it. It's not too fast, he's just he's

643
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: out there playing in a sense the same way he

644
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: played in college. You know, there's he's not frenetic, he's

645
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: not chaotic. He sees it. He knows where to go

646
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: with the football. I think that one of the areas

647
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: he needs to clearly work on is he does have

648
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: a tendency at times to leave the pocket too early. Yeah,

649
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: and I think that that ideally that comes with more experience.

650
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: He did that at Pitt on occasion, not as much

651
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: as he did it with the Steelers this past year,

652
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: but he does does have that tendency that needs to

653
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: be cleaned up because what happens is you leave throws

654
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: on the field and you don't want to do that.

655
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: Statistically advanced stats whatever, the two areas that most rookie

656
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: struggle and including him, and his numbers were quite bad

657
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: to be honest, is ten to twenty yards. You know

658
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: that intermediate range and red zone, right, is there any

659
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: reservations that, hey, he's never gonna get it. I mean,

660
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: those are the hardest rows to me. And I also

661
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: don't think their offense presents a lot of ten to

662
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: twenty yard throws. Yeah, it's good point, and I think

663
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: you can you know, I know Matt canna you guys

664
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: are Pittsburgh. I know you know. I'm I don't rip coaches.

665
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: I know Matt Cannada came under a lot of fire,

666
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: but for Steelers fans, and I know he's back because

667
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Tomlin obviously, as does the entire Steeler organization,

668
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: believe in continuity. They don't make change for change's sake.

669
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: So we'll see, you know what happens this year now

670
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: that Matt Canada has a year with Kenny Pickett and

671
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: they can figure out strengths, limitations best way moving forward.

672
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: So you need to give that another year. But I

673
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: don't think their offense this past year necessarily presented a

674
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 1: lot of those kinds of throws and not a lot

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: of inbreaking routes. No, no, no. It was interesting and

676
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: that two years ago with Ben Roethlisberger, the offense was

677
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: almost exclusively within ten yards right, and then this year right,

678
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: it was not. And so I don't know that we've

679
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: actually seen what Matt Cannada's offense is supposed to be

680
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: yet right. And that's why it's it's it's hard to

681
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: answer that, and and I think you need this offseason

682
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: and this year to get a really better feel for that,

683
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: because they'll tell you. Now, look, you can watch a

684
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: quarterback in college all day long. This is what I do.

685
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: I sit and watch tape. Okay, some I get to

686
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: know a little bit something most I don't, So I

687
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: can't speak to the personal part. But you watch tape,

688
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: and even when you feel really comfortable with a player,

689
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: until you're with him every day, coaching him, seeing him,

690
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: and then performing games, you know, when it really matters,

691
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: there's no there's no certainty. You know. I guarantee when

692
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: the Steelers drafted pickt they felt really good. Okay, because

693
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: Picket is that kind of guy. You know, it means

694
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: something to him. He's smart, he you know, he does

695
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: the right thing. He's I wouldn't call him a high

696
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: high level traits guy, but he certainly has enough traits.

697
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: But until you're with someone every day see what they do, well,

698
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: see what they're most comfortable with. See how it plays

699
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: out versus different defenses, different pressures. You don't really know.

700
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: So now they have a much better sense of that

701
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: because he's played so now right now you get an

702
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: off season, another off season, you know, so now we'll

703
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: see this year how Matt Canada and the offensive staff

704
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: really feel. Here's what Kenny does, well, here's what we

705
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,959
Speaker 1: want to sort of stay away from. You can build

706
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: around him as opposed to building around what you thought

707
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: you were gonna do with Miss Rubisky, right, because don't

708
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: forget Drubisky, right, there was the daughter, right, so you know,

709
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: so you know that's why despite it, I'm sure a

710
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: lot of Steelers fans thinking that Matt Canada has to go.

711
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: And I'm just going by what I read, you know,

712
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: and what you see on social media is you know,

713
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: they probably feel okay, now Matt can start with Kenny

714
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Pickett from day one makes sense and you know we'll

715
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: go from there. So it's funny though, because they'd a

716
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: week nine by and the first half of the year

717
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: was wasn't pretty young quarterbacks, very young offense, very difficult schedule.

718
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: We'll get beat bad by Buffalo and Philly and really

719
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: top teams, and Claypool gets traded and then they start

720
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: doing a lot more twelve personnel and dedicating to the run.

721
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: So I feel like they the second half of the

722
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: season they poured some concrete for the foundation. You know,

723
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the windows aren't pretty yet. It needs to bait yet.

724
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: But you know, let me ask you this question, how

725
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: do you feel? Because I'm not certain about this and

726
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: I've taken some grief about up but everything you say

727
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: is based on my film study. Sure you again doesn't

728
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: make me right all the time, but I mean that's

729
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: that's how I, you know, make my evaluations right. Um,

730
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: do you think that Naji Harris can can be the

731
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: foundation and starting point of their offense? Do you think

732
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: he's a good enough back to be that a high

733
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: volume runner who can keep you on track, keep you sustaining,

734
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, put together a play action pass game. You know.

735
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: Do you know in In in some way be almost

736
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: alike And then this might have a negative connotation, but

737
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: this is kind of where you're going. If you're gonna

738
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: do this, be like the Titans were right as as

739
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: you were saying, right and make life. He's you're on

740
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: your quarterback heretically he's not Derrick Henry. I mean that's right.

741
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Henry's a special player. He's probably go in

742
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame um volume, toughness. I think he

743
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: has a lot of untapped potential in the passing game,

744
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: right that you see in practice, but you haven't seen

745
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: in games as much protection. But the biggest problem to

746
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: me in the offense, aside from the picket zones that

747
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: he struggles in, is they're just not explosive enough overall, right,

748
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and you're not going to get that from him, you know,

749
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: like he's not gonna Henry, You'll break off eight years.

750
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: Harris is not that kind of back. Yeah, I mean

751
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: I think he has the other stuff, but I don't

752
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna help the big play problem. I think

753
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: he's more mid career Zeke Elliott where he's gonna grind

754
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: and right, he's a grinder. Yeah, he's a grinder and

755
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: a sustainer. And you know, ultimately, is that where you

756
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: want to start? I mean, look, obviously, when I say

757
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: start your offense, he's gonna get the ball, you know,

758
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: but the question is are you looking to give him

759
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: the ball? And these are just numbers, but they're reflective

760
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: of tactics. You know, are you looking to give him

761
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: the ball two hundred seventy two eight times or more

762
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: like two hundred times? You know, there's a big difference there, Yeah,

763
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, because he's not really a high yards per

764
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: carry back, right, No, I don't think Bell. When they

765
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: had Levy on Bell a little more, but he I

766
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: mean lev didn't break off a bunch of big runs though, either. Um,

767
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: there were more tens and twenties. Yeah, he's never gonna

768
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: break the seventies, right, one of them, you know. Right,

769
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: So there's similar I mean, I'm just curious. I mean,

770
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer. I'm leaning toward no, but

771
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, it remains to be seen. You know. I

772
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 1: think they've got a pretty good receiving corps that I'm

773
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: really you know, I think they could have a pretty

774
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: explosive pass game. And that's what I'm really curious to

775
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: see with this offseason, what they choose to do, you know,

776
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: in terms of building the offense, because Pickens to me,

777
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: is complete. I think Pickens can be a great receiver.

778
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: You know, Deante Johnson, you know, because they signed him, right, Yeah,

779
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: he's locked up. He's locked up. I mean, I think

780
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: he's he's pretty good receiver. I know, I guess he

781
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: didn't score a touch fantasy people at you know so,

782
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: and then the number three receiver would be who at

783
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: this point Austin and Anthony Miller friar Mouth maybe a

784
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: name to be is a nice tight end. I mean,

785
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: I really liked Calvin Austin coming out of Memphis. I'm curious.

786
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of a lost season for him.

787
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: But I mean I think he's he did like early

788
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: in camp he flashed and You're like, oh, this could

789
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: be something. He's an explosive, and that foot injury cropped

790
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: up and he just he just never yah got over

791
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: and then he was on ir right for the year. Yeah,

792
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: I think he's an explo Jose kid. Yeah, to your

793
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: your point. Aside, though, running back whoever the ball carrier

794
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: is a side. I think they showed us in the

795
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: second half of the season. Again, let's pour the concrete.

796
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: Let's have something to to at least lean on. The

797
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: defense was on the field so much before that they're eating,

798
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: they're winning the time possession battle, and I would imagine

799
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: the pendulum swings more and more. Kenny more and more Kenny,

800
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, as he learns and I think he's capable. Oh,

801
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah. I mean, you know, I had this

802
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: conversation with a coach who's been in the league thirty

803
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: years and you know he does quarterbacks every year, you know,

804
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: for his team, and you know, you couldn't make the

805
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: argument he's not as gifted. But stylistically, Picket is like

806
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Right, He's not. That's a high ceiling, right,

807
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not. I mean, obviously Burrow is as

808
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: the highest level of that kind of quarterback, but you

809
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: know that's the way Pickett plays, the style with which

810
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: he plays. Um. I actually had a great conversation with

811
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: someone who uh who's not coaching now but coaching the

812
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: league for years and years, an offensive guy, and he

813
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: thought that, for instance, C. J. Stroud and Kenny Pickett

814
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: were very very similar, you know. So I mean that

815
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: was my next question is how would you compare Picket

816
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: to this class? Yeah? Pick it is. Pick it is

817
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a is a pretty good traits quarterback. He just doesn't

818
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: have you know, what people would consider a big arm.

819
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: You know, he's not a power thrower, He's not an

820
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: explosive thrower. He's not a twitchy thrower, and Burrow isn't either. No, No,

821
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: he's very accurate, great pass but he's exactly right. That

822
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: would be the one knock on Burrow when he came

823
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: out he wasn't really a power thrower. Um, you know.

824
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: So you know the question is pick it that kind

825
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: of quarterback needs to be a really subtle, nuanced, disciplined

826
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of player. And I think pick It can be

827
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: that guy. You know, you guy to pattern yourself after. Yeah, yeah,

828
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: don't don't watch Josh Allen, Tabe, watch Burns Josh Allen. Right.

829
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: You know, although although Pickett has pretty good mobility, better

830
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: than I thought, he's a lot twitchier, Yeah, quicker and

831
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: straight out faster than I remember. He really is, he

832
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: really and he's pretty good sized kid. Yeah yeah, yeah.

833
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: So Matt mentioned this a little better. Reference this a

834
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: little bit. Their offensive line. What did you see from

835
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,439
Speaker 1: their offensive line last year? Uh? And is that something?

836
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Is that an area that you think that they still

837
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Speaker 1: need to add to in terms of starting started? I

838
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: would say probably, yeah. I think that's an area they

839
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: probably would look to improve for multiple reasons. Number one,

840
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: if they do want to run the ball, if they

841
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: want to lay that continue to lay that foundation. I

842
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: think you need to improve your online you know, I

843
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: think it needs to be better. Um and also just

844
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: for past protection, because you want to work with pickets

845
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: so that he doesn't feel that he has to flee

846
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 1: the pocket. Yeah, you know you want him to feel, hey,

847
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: this is a really firm wall in front of me.

848
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: I can drop back, I can hit my back foot.

849
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Speaker 1: If that first read doesn't show right away, I don't

850
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't have to leave, you know, because he left

851
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot when he didn't have to. You know, you

852
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: want him to feel really confident that, hey, I can

853
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: stay there, I don't have to leave. But they averaged

854
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: over the second half of that season, as Matt said,

855
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty seven rushing yards per game. Yeah,

856
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: over the second half of the season. Could you see

857
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you see them looking at

858
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: that going, well, if we we run these guys back,

859
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna be We're gonna be okay there. They certainly

860
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: could say that, Yeah, death is an issue. They were,

861
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: they were very healthy this past year. I mean, look,

862
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: the one thing I'm not doing, and I'll be totally honest,

863
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: is I'm not charting each offensive line, you know, I

864
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: mean I don't know how they grade, you know more

865
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: left tackle. I don't know how they grade you know,

866
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: certain players. You know that I don't know. I mean

867
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: when I watch tape, do I notice that the positive

868
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: and the negative? Yeah? But I'm not sitting there on

869
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: each play watching all five offensive blindmen, so I can't

870
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: speak to that. Um, you know, to me, it's more

871
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: of a philosophy of how do they want to play? Right? Right?

872
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: What's your thumbnail? On the defense? They have three stars

873
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: you know when watch right, heyward menca right, how are

874
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: you with matching their zones? And they don't blitz as

875
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: much as they used to. They play a little more man.

876
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: They need major upgrades at linebacker. I think that's the

877
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: weakest area. The second one. The reality is is you know,

878
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: here they had Bush who was a top ten pick,

879
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: and they signed Miles Jack and they're going backer who

880
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: played the most steps is Robert Spelane. So you know

881
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: they need upgrades at linebacker. Talk about that last segment.

882
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: But Bush has clearly not been the guy. I mean,

883
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, is he a free agent? Yeah? I don't

884
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: think it helped me back right and it's Jack a

885
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: free agent. No, he's signed. They could get out of

886
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: his deal if the one SPAN's up as well. So

887
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: it's they're gonna look different. They need linebackers, whether you

888
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: know they signed guys or draft guys. They need major

889
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: upgrade at the linebacker position. Um, how do you you know?

890
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: What's your view of the corner position? I think that

891
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, Suttons a free agents a free agent, and

892
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: that's big. Yeah. I think that'll be definitely addressed in

893
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: the draft. I don't know how much. I don't know

894
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: how much corners we've watched this year, but they have

895
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: the seventeenth pick, thirty second pick. Done corners yet, but

896
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: it looked like a really deep corner class and they

897
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: have some premium picks. I bet they drafted outside one

898
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: of those top three picks and the top they have

899
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: three picks in the top forty nine. He's going to

900
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: be a corn The two guys I keep seeing, you know,

901
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: And I don't read. I don't read what people think

902
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: of guys. I just see the mocks, you know, because

903
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't like to read anything until I look at

904
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: it myself, right, you know. But I've seen Gonzalez from

905
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: oaragun And and Witherspoon from Illinois. They probably won't be there,

906
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: you know. I guess someone like Kiley Ringo, who I've

907
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: done some work on, he could well be there. I

908
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: think it's everyone likes Joey Porter's kid. Yeah him yet either.

909
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: Um So I think, you know, it depends on on um.

910
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, how you want to play. You know, if

911
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: you want to play a lot of man, do you

912
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: want to play more his own? Um. I actually thought

913
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: the Malette kid did really well on the sod he.

914
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I thought he was kind of a stabilizing force in

915
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: the secondary. I thought he played pretty well. Yeah, it's

916
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: it's an interesting build. They went more three safety sets

917
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: in the second half. One say, yeah, KZ back as well. Yeah,

918
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Is that something you see them more on

919
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: the league? To around the lead has been big Yeah.

920
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: Well you're talking about three safeties when they're in in

921
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: like their sub you know, as a base almost base. Yeah. Yeah,

922
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: A lot of teams are doing that in the league.

923
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: They play big nickel um and I mentioned the linebacker problem.

924
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: Guy with the tight ends that are athletic, You getting

925
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: the safety instead of a linebacker. Yeah, are you seeing

926
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: this trend? On defense as much too. That Hey, we

927
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: all loved Mike Hilton when he was here. But the

928
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: little slots seem to be getting phased out a little bit.

929
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: You're not seeing as many Welkers. You're not as you

930
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: see Kittle, you see Kelsey, Angram, guys like that. You know,

931
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: Steelers tried Claypool in the slot. I'd see more big

932
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: slot receivers, which then means maybe more well, Brian Branches

933
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: in the slot. You know Brian Branch I've done. He's

934
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: a really good prospect. That's his favorite over here, really

935
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: good prospect. I like him a lot. Yeah, you know what,

936
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the way I'd answer that is, I think you're seeing

937
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: teams that are more multiple with their receiver location. In

938
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: other words, with very few exceptions, you're not seeing a

939
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: team say, well, this guy's only our slot guy. So

940
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: what's happening is you're seeing receivers cover is just outside

941
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: receivers playing more in the slot now because teams are

942
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: being more multiple with their receiver locations. Okay, so I

943
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: remember the Bengals green up in the slot. That's what

944
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: we're starting casine now. So with very few exceptions, you're

945
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you're not seeing you know, a team just line up

946
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: one guy in the slot, you know, so you're seeing

947
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: much more of that, So you need more multiple chess

948
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: pieces on defense, right, of course, is the way the

949
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: game's going. Sure, yeah, absolutely, well, we will let you go.

950
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: We've taken up enough of your time. Our guests has

951
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: been Greg coach Sell from NFL Films. Appreciate talking to you,

952
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: as we always do, Greg, you do great stuff. And

953
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: that was our interview earlier this week with Greg coach

954
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: Sell of NFL Films. Always very enlightening. And as that

955
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: was going on, we got the chance to see the uh,

956
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks and safeties continue. They're running. Yeah, Porter Junior

957
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: runs a four four seventh, very nice, his size, Very

958
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: happy with that. Christian Gazzalez was in the what was

959
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: he four low? Four four? Yeah? I bet he's not thrilled,

960
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: but I think he's fast. And then we saw DJ

961
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: Turner from Michigan turning a four two seven Yeah, flying fly.

962
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean he looks great doing it too. He can

963
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: tell he's been well coached in his career track wise.

964
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: And Banks, I think is a real thrill story from Maryland.

965
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: Was he was in four three's? Right? Uh? Yeah, I

966
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: think he was four three seven, four three eight. He

967
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: was the tenth of us hundredth of a second off

968
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: from his first time. Yeah a second. He is what

969
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: he is, and he's fast, and he's a long and intriguing. Yeah. Absolutely,

970
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: So a lot of those guys in this draft and uh, well,

971
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Brian Branch running a four in the four high four

972
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: or fives and he ran a four to six one

973
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: with his second right, right, We'll see what that spectacular officially,

974
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: but I'm not concerned about him, no, So I assume

975
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: you and I will do the drive on Monday. Absolutely,

976
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: We've all kinds of scores and stuff to go over

977
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: to back in the Yeah, yeah, yeah, So coming to

978
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: an end here. Can't wait for that. But that is

979
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: going to wrap things up here for our coverage live

980
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: from the NFL Scouting Combine. We appreciate everyone who has

981
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: helped us keep this on the air, from West Shuler

982
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: to all the guys back in studio, Gerard in the group,

983
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: keeping with the videos and all that stuff, Jerry Max.

984
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: So we've got a lot of charas obviously all the

985
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 1: great guests that we've had here all week long as well,

986
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: But more importantly, we appreciate all you out there listening

987
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: to keep this possible for us. Here did some video

988
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Speaker 1: this year absolutely which probably isn't our best, our best look, yeah,

989
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: best face, probably not, But for my partner Matt Williamson,

990
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