WEBVTT - Exposing The Bidens with Peter Schweizer 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.360 So I am so excited for this next guest. You know, 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.400 I love bringing truth tellers on this show, people who 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.280 are fearless, standing up for what is right in the country, 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:14.600 exposing corruption, exposing lies, and I don't know if anyone 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.680 does it better than this guy. Peter Schweizer is going 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.240 to be on the show, author of the new book 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.360 red Handed. He's written multiple New York Times best selling books. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.000 But he goes out there and exposes the lies and 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:33.680 the corruption of our public officials, and it's in abundance. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.560 So we're going to talk to him about what motivated 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.680 him to step up, to dig in and to investigate 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.199 these people. Why is it so important to him to 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.120 expose corruption. We're also, of course going to get into 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.080 the Biden family. What you need to know about their corruption, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.760 How involved is Joe Biden and has it influenced his 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.640 decision making. So a lot to get to into DC's corruption, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.680 we'll get into the swamp and everything else. Stay tuned 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:06.880 for the great Peter Schweizer. Peter, it's such an honor 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:08.360 to have you on the show. I'm a huge fan 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.000 of yours. You've done such great work trying to bring 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.800 to light a lot of corruption that happens, which is 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.480 an abundance sadly. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.280 So I appreciate you taking the time to join the show. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.080 Absolutely, Lisa, I'm looking forward to it. Thanks so much 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.280 for having me. This will be fun. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.959 You know, there's a lot of conversations about the Bidens 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.360 and corruption. What do you think they get wrong? What 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:29.880 isn't being discussed? 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.679 That should the fact that the Bidens have received tens 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.319 of millions of dollars. We believe it's thirty one million 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:40.640 based on the emails from four Chinese businessmen, and those 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.400 four Chinese businessmen we know their names because again they're 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.480 on the laptop. Those four businessmen have ties to the 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:50.160 highest levels of Chinese intelligence, meaning that they are business 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.520 partners with the Vice Minister of State Security. So this 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.559 is not a oh, I'm going to steer a little 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.400 bit of money to my nephew as part of a 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.040 you know, only paving contract type of corruption. This is 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:07.760 international global corruption from our chief adversary. The Bidens have 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.840 received this money. There is zero evidence, zip not evidence 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.680 that they performed any kind of legitimate business service for 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.840 any of this money. And yet they receive the money 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.680 and the intelligence connections of the people that sent them 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.840 the money should make us all deeply, deeply concerned. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.160 And what's Joe Biden's role in it? Because I think 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.359 there's some deference for Hunter Biden just because he's such 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:32.800 a mess. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:33.120 Yeah. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.280 I mean, this is a guy who thought parmesan cheese 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.800 was I can't remember for those crack or cocaine. So 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.120 you know, like he's got some issues. But what's Joe 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.280 Biden's role and all of it? 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.240 Well, Joe Biden is the planet around which all the 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.520 moons in the Biden family rotate. You know, Hunter Biden 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:54.440 certainly gets the most attention for his deals. But you know, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:56.840 a couple of books ago, I did a book called 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.079 Profiles and Corruption, and we looked at the entire business 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.800 family of the Bidens, and we found that there were 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.520 at least five members of the Biden family who are 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.600 cashing in on the name. So it's not just Hunter. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.400 I think the you know, people will say, well, you know, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.360 he has the drug addiction and all of that, which 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.119 I think is true, but people are still shoveling money 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.560 at him, and they are also shoveling money at other 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.160 members of the Biden family. And then the question becomes 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:26.119 why How is it that these these individuals with last 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.679 Nam Biden are able to take in money when they're 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.360 not really doing much discernible in return. How are they 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.240 able to pull this off? And the answer, in my mind, 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.480 no doubt, is the fact that they provide access to 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.520 Joe Biden, that Joe Biden is willing to talk to people, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.840 meet people, listen to people in which his family is 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.600 engaged in commercial activities, and that is worth the price 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.320 of admission. That's what it seems like these foreign actors 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:53.760 are essentially saying. 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.400 Well, that's also to your point, and you've talked about this. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.360 I mean when Joe Biden was Vice president, you know, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.800 quite literally flying Hunter Biden around on Air Force two, 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:05.520 greasing the wheels, shaking the hands of business individuals like 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:06.560 he did in China. 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.480 Yeah, he flew several times with his father and Air 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:15.280 Force two. The famous one was the twenty thirteen December 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.160 flight where his father's going to meet with Chinese officials. 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.559 He's been anointed by Barack Obama, President of the United States, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.839 as the point person on China policy, and Hunter Biden 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.279 flies to China with him and about a week after 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:32.400 that trip is when Hunter gets juiced in he's given 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.800 a ten percent ownership of this private investment fund that 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.360 the Chinese government is funding. He had no background in finance, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.560 he had no background in China, and that timing is 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.359 certainly suspect. But there are other examples, Lisa of it 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.000 as well. We know from the emails that in twenty fourteen, 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.680 Hunter Biden flew with his father when his father was 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.279 meeting the president of Mexico, and that email by talk 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:00.040 about it in Profiles and Corruption is particularly surprising and 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:06.120 shocking because Hunter Biden is berating a Mexican businessman, and 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.320 he's quite explicit. He says, look, I've given you what 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.760 you wanted. I got you meetings in the White House. 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.679 I got you a private meeting at the vice presidential mansion, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.960 which courses his dad. I've given you all those things. Now, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.280 where are the deals that you promised me? Which is 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.840 to me a clear admission that this is paid to play, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.920 that this is access, that this is corruption. So Air 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.520 Force one is certainly one example of that. There are, 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:38.000 you know, numerous other examples. Frank Biden, who's Joe Biden's brother, 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.880 got a special commendation to set up a solar energy 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.960 company in Costa Rica, shortly after his brother had visited 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.839 Costa Rica, and again, Frank Biden had no background in 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.880 solar power or development or whatever. So when you have 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.640 a powerful figure like Joe Biden and the word gets 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.359 out on the street that you know there will to 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.440 do deals and play ball, the opportunities are endless, and 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.679 it can mean taking a phone call, taking a meeting, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.800 flying somewhere, or simply greasing the skids for a family 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:11.919 member with a foreign leader. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:17.360 How long has corruption influenced Joe Biden's career. I mean, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.679 you know, obviously he's president. Now he's a vice president, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.120 but he also served as you know, head of the 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.960 Judiciary Committee. It was pretty influential on Capitol Hill. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.120 Yeah, it's always hard to know what is day one 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.760 in corruption. I think a lot of times the way 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.479 this works, people go into office, maybe they're idealistic, you know, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.559 Joe Biden probably was, I think, and then over time 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.039 they come to believe that they are entitled to certain 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.040 things because they don't get paid as much as they 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.960 think they're worth. They work hard, they're doing things for 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.599 the country, and it has this sort of corrosive effect. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.600 The early at signs to me with Joe Biden came 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:56.080 in the nineteen nineties when he got special breaks on 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.760 a mortgage. He is a US senator, he doesn't have 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.039 a lot of money. He's not generating a huge amount 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.960 of income. But he was able to afford the purchase 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:09.400 of one of the DuPont mansions in Delaware because a 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.960 bank MBNA, which is a big bank in Delaware, gave 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.559 him a real sweetheart mortgage deal, you know, well below 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:22.200 market rates. NBNA of course had business matters before the Senate. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.200 Joe Biden was helpful to them. Then if you go 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.920 to the two thousands, Hunter Biden, you know, is out 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.800 of law school. He's now looking for business ventures. He 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.920 immediately goes into the lobbying business and he works for 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:39.040 a lobbying firm that is lobbying his father on behalf 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:44.080 of Delaware based entities. Then Hunter gets involved with an 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.240 online gambling company lobbying for them with the Department of Justice. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.800 There are all kinds of criminal charges against them. His 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.560 dad is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committees you 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.920 pointed out, So it starts to take hold. But I 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:59.360 think the big step for the Bidens was when Joe 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.760 became vice president because they were able to globalize corruption, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:08.120 meaning they could now really find international players that are 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.360 willing to, you know, give them money that could be 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.880 in Ukraine, Russia, China, you know, wherever you might want 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.400 it to be. So this's the globalization of corruption that 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.920 I think created really big opportunities for the Bidens. And 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.280 it's kind of similar pattern to what the Clintons had. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.240 The Clintons went in Arkansas with sort of low rent corruption, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.080 but once Bill was out of the White House and 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.520 his wife was in the Senate and she became Secretary 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.200 of State, the level of corruption just exploded because there 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.760 was so much they could do for so many foreign actors. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:44.000 Do you think anyone can spend that much time in Washington, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.240 d c. And not become corrupt? 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.040 Very hardly. So it's a great question. I think it's 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.520 very hard. It's very hard. 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:53.200 You know. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.520 You know, Bobby Jendall, who I worked on a book 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:00.320 with years ago, served in Congress, and you know, he said, 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.480 you get there and you have the right principles and 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.960 you have the right commitment, and then what happens is 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.200 like everybody thinks you're brilliant, everybody thinks you're good looking, 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.600 everybody thinks you're going to be president, and your ego 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.960 starts to inflate. And his point was after about three terms, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.320 it becomes really really hard. Now are there people there 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.440 that are longer that are not corrupt. Absolutely, but I 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.320 would argue they're probably the exception to the rule. And 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.079 that's one of the reasons why Lisa I was usually 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.640 not in favor of term limits. I think, let the 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:37.280 voters decide. But I've come to the conclusion that the 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.640 level of corruption is so great it accumulates the longer 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.000 you stay there that term limits are really one of 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.720 the most effective ways to deal with it. It doesn't 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.400 eliminate the problem by any means, but it gets rid 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.280 of people who are there for twenty thirty years to 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.439 where the corruption becomes systematic, It becomes endemic and embedded 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.680 in almost everything that they do. And it happens on 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:00.800 both sides of the Aisle. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.959 We know money and power corrupt. You had mentioned Ukraine. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.240 I mean we have just sending tens of billions of dollars, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.520 just a continual flow of money to Ukraine is there 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:17.160 without really accountability either, without really transparency of where it's going, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.640 what it's being spent on. Should Americans be concerned that 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.400 there's a corruptive nature to the money, considering the Biden 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.800 family has made money off of Ukraine in the past. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.560 Oh, absolutely, I think there should be. I mean, look, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.280 my view is I think what Russia's doing is terrible. 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.480 I stand with the Ukrainian people. I think they should fight, 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.800 and they are fighting for their own independence and we 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.960 should support them. The problem is they have a very 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:45.480 corrupt government in Kiev that is running things, and there 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.400 are some sort of interesting connections that don't always get 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.400 pointed out. I mean, you look at President Zelenski of Ukraine, 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.280 who's been kind of rallying the Ukrainian people. Well, who 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.800 was the one that effectively put Zelenski in power. It's 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:04.400 a Ukrainian old guard named Kolomoyski. Kolomoyski is highly corrupt. 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.600 In fact, he owned a bank called Prevot Bank that 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:13.000 received money from the IMF and basically eight billion dollars 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.240 just disappeared, and everybody assumes Kolomoyski took it. Kolomoyski was 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:21.079 also believed to be a silent partner in a Ukrainian 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.440 energy company called Barisma, which is the energy company that 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.960 employed Hunter Biden. So Kolomoyski is the guy that by 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.480 most accounts financed the campaign for Zelensky and put him 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:37.120 in power. So Zolensky has ties, he has obligations. And 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.360 my view is I'm not an expert in foreign aid, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.960 but my view is, you know, let's give the Ukrainians weapons, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.440 let's send them food. But this notion that we should 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.000 send them large blocks of cash, I think is a 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:54.880 really stupid idea and it's an invitation to mass corruption. 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.480 And the notion that you know, the Biden administration says, well, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.200 we're going to account for it all and we're going 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.400 to you know, do audits. How are you going to 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.840 audit Ukrainian banks when eight billion dollars just disappears, So 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.600 that that should be a real concern. And the tragedy here, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.080 of course, is that it's the Ukrainian people are going 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.720 to suffer because they've got this corrupt political class that 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:17.600 rules over them. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.240 We're going to take a quick commercial break back with 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:25.360 the great Peter Schweizer. I mean, we know that Joe 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:30.040 Biden fired the prosecutor general who was looking into Tubarisma HOLDINGGGS. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.560 He you know, he bragged about it. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.280 Are there any examples to point two of how the 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.920 money did influence decisions from Joe Biden, whether it be 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.160 you know, as vice president or his time in the 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:42.560 Senate or maybe even now. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.640 It's a great question, and I think it really depends 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:50.760 on what type of corrupt arrangement is taking place between 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.000 the Bidens and the Ukrainians or the Bidens and the Chinese. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.760 One could be basically a quid pro quo, which is, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.439 you know, we're going to give you this in return, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.000 we're going to expect that. I don't think, particularly with China, 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.640 that's the way the relationship works. I think it's more 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.800 of a retainer. I think it's more we're going to 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.120 provide funding and we want you to, you know, generally, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.280 not press us too hard. And there's lots of examples 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.800 of that. The Chinese use a term called elite capture. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.240 It's a strategy they employ and it's kind of genius 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.560 if you think about it, because Lisa, what it basically 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.480 says is, rather than going toe to toe with the 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.200 United States, we're just going to buy off elements of 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.400 their leadership class, whether it's in Washington or Silicon Valley 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.840 or Wall Street and the Bidens, I think are a 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.680 prime example of that. Having received this money, and China's 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.000 very sophisticated in terms of what they're expecting from elites 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.280 they capture. They don't expect them to be sort of 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.280 you know robots that are spouting now is great and 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.520 we love the CCP. They use an expression, and the 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.680 expression is they're looking for big help with a little 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.520 bad mouth. So, in other words, the things that matter 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:04.840 most to them, which is, you know, essentially unfettered access 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.120 to our financial markets, unfettered access to our technology, and 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.160 unfettered access to our business market, you know, not tariffs 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.960 on goods where they can sell goods and dominate the 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.680 market in the United States. If you give them those 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.200 three things and you want to ding them on the wigers, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.320 or you want to criticize them for human rights, or 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.520 you want to say we stand with Taiwan, they don't 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.600 really care. They're getting what they want from you. And 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.480 that's I think the way in which we need to 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.040 look at at the sort of behavior that the Bidens 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.800 are engaged in. And there's no doubt there are numerous 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.560 examples of how the Bidens have walked back and in 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:47.120 the face of clear threat proposed by China in their conduct, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:51.120 the Biden camp has absolutely done nothing, and I think 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.680 it speaks to this commercial relationship that exists. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.440 You'd mentioned Taiwan. How does Joe Biden deter China from 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.280 invading Taiwan when they are looking at him is probably 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.640 compromised and already bought and paid for. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.760 Yeah, it's a good question. I think that what China 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.360 wants from Taiwan is not war but the fruits of war, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.080 to paraphrase Winston Churchill. I think we will know more 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.280 what mainland China is going to do after the January 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:24.720 election next year. In Taiwan. There is the KMT party 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.640 I believe it is, which is pro Beijing, pro Mainlan 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.280 China is running pretty close in the polls with the 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.600 ruling party, which is you know, Taiwan is an independent country, 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.080 so I think they want to play out that election 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.040 and see how it goes. They don't want a war 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:43.360 with China because there is uncertainty associated with it, and 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.680 all they have to do is look at what Russia 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.000 is doing in Ukraine. Think about all the modeling that 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:54.040 was done by the United States military, the UK NATO, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:59.160 the expectation was within seven days the Russians would effectively 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.200 take over Ukraine. That's not been the case. Russian military 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.320 far less effective than expected. The Ukrainian has a lot 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.760 more fierce in their opposition than expected, and that has 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.440 to be playing into the calculation of Xi, which is, yes, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.680 we've got this big military, but are we going to 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.640 be bogged down fighting a war with Taiwan that is 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.000 going to embarrass us? And I think that's part of 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:28.040 the calculation. So to me, Taiwan is not a central 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.400 issue for China. The central issue for China is their 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.720 power position relative the United States. They believe that if 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.120 the current trends continue, meaning they get access to our 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.440 capital markets, they get access to our technology, they get 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.560 access to our markets to sell their goods, they're going 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.480 to win and they will be the superior power very soon. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.000 So they don't want to change that. They don't want 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:56.840 to disrupt that. Going to Taiwan could unify Asian countries 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.760 in the United States and Europe in a way that 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.560 could be detrimental to their larger goals. So I think 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.680 that the you know, the strong focus that so many 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.080 people have on Ukraine, I understand it, and the threat 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.440 is real, But I don't think that is the chief 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.480 objective of China. Their ambitions are much bigger than simply 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.120 reuniting with Taiwan. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.520 Interesting, you talked about how you know China wants access 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.520 and obviously they've already infiltrated a lot of our institutions, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:25.800 including Eric S. 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:26.240 Welwell. 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:31.080 But and Ian Feinstein by that matter, in Employega, you 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.520 know which you know Trump was compromised. But Democrats literally 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.680 either Datham or employees bise. But talk about the Penn 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:39.639 Biden Center. 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.240 Yeah, I mean the Pen Biden Center to me is 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.960 an classic example of elite capture. So you know, Joe 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.720 Biden leaves the Vice presidency sets up the pen Biden 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.520 Center with the University of Pennsylvania. And I talk about 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.920 this in my book if you look at the website 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.280 when he set it up. Now this is twenty seventeen. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.320 He's served in the administration. Barack Obama did a pivot 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.040 to Asia because of the rising threat from China, and 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.840 in fact, Barack Obama said China had replaced Russia as 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.359 the main strategic threat to the United States. Joe Biden 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.560 sets up the Biden Penn Center, and they say, our 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.040 goal is to protect Western values, and the three largest 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.600 threats we face are Russia, terrorism, and climate change, no 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.440 mention of China. China is not a threat according to 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.840 the Biden Pen Center when it's set up. You know, 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.880 that's kind of astonishing when you think about it. There 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.600 is a picture of Joe Biden with President g Though 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.600 on the website when they set it up as an 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.359 example of kind of the international diplomacy he's engaged in. 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:47.560 What raises a lot of concerns with people is the 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.359 Biden Penn Center was set up. It kind of co 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.879 mingles finances with the University of Pennsylvania. But when the 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.600 Biden Penn Center was set up, you saw an explosion 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:02.959 in donations from China. They dramatically increased to the University 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.159 of Pennsylvania. And in fact, some of those donations, several 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.880 multimillion dollar donations to the Biden Pen Center, actually came 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.679 from entities that were connected to Hunter Biden's activities in China, 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.359 so they're not random. And the Biden Pen Center really 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:25.800 became a sort of a depository for members of the 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.840 Biden team. So Tony Blincoln was there, who's now Secretary 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.680 of State. He was collecting a paycheck. You know, Joe 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.040 Biden's counselor in the White House was there for a while. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.600 There were multiple people, including Joe Biden, that were collecting 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.680 large salaries there. And there's a lot of evidence that 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:48.720 China was financing those activities in China in the Biden 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.639 Penn Center. And on top of that, of course, you 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.800 have this sort of weird discovery that classified documents were 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.399 being stored at this academic institution in Washington, d c. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.760 So the Biden Penn Center is a problem, but you 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:06.240 also have the University of Delaware set up a Biden Center. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.880 There's actually two centers. The one in Delaware doesn't get 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.520 nearly the attention, but when he set up the Delaware operation, 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:18.800 they took in six million dollars in Chinese donations. There 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.600 had never been a single donation to the University of 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.119 Delaware before Joe Biden's Policy Center was set up in China. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.840 So the Bidens have personally profited from their financial ties 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.040 to China and the institutions that they have built in 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:35.960 the University of Delaware and Penn, I would argue, you 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.560 have also benefited from this Chinese large s and it's 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.080 a huge problem. Again, These are not charities. They are 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.600 doing this for a reason, and I think one of 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:49.560 the things these Congressional committees need to get to the 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.640 bottom of, Lisa, is what were they getting in return 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:54.919 for this flow of money to the Biden family. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.000 You know, you had mentioned Blinken and some of the 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.040 other members of the Biden administration. How many of our 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:07.119 public officials, elected officials are similarly compromised as Joe Biden. 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.000 It's a great question, and it's always hard to know 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.800 the extent to which they're compromised. But if you look 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:19.080 at the last four US ambassadors to China, including the 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.240 one appointed by Donald Trump. Sadly, the last four US ambassadors, 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.840 they all when they left the embassy and quit serving 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.919 as a US ambassador, either they or their family members 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:37.040 became consultants for Chinese companies. Timmy, That's just ridiculous and 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:40.600 atrocious and has no place. So we have a problem 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.240 with diplomats. We have a problem on Capitol Hill. By 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:50.280 the account of registered lobbyists in Washington, DC, we found 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:55.040 twenty three former senators and congressmen who right now are 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.080 lobbying not just for Chinese companies, Lisa, but for Chinese 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:04.800 companies dire directly tied to the Chinese military intelligence industrial complex. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.400 Twenty three former senators and congressmen are lobbying for those 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.719 entities in Capitol Hill and someone are making a million 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.840 dollars a year. So it's a huge problem. It's a 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.080 problem with business leaders in Wall Street in Silicon Valley. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.119 So we have to do this reassessment in the country 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.840 because we have, I think naively believed for decades that 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.360 by engaging in commerce with China, China would become more 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:31.720 like us. I think there's a lot of evidence that 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.600 we've actually become more like China, and far from becoming 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:39.040