1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: So I am so excited for this next guest. You know, 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: I love bringing truth tellers on this show, people who 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: are fearless, standing up for what is right in the country, 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: exposing corruption, exposing lies, and I don't know if anyone 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: does it better than this guy. Peter Schweizer is going 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: to be on the show, author of the new book 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: red Handed. He's written multiple New York Times best selling books. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: But he goes out there and exposes the lies and 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: the corruption of our public officials, and it's in abundance. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to him about what motivated 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: him to step up, to dig in and to investigate 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: these people. Why is it so important to him to 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: expose corruption. We're also, of course going to get into 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: the Biden family. What you need to know about their corruption, 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: How involved is Joe Biden and has it influenced his 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: decision making. So a lot to get to into DC's corruption, 17 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: we'll get into the swamp and everything else. Stay tuned 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: for the great Peter Schweizer. Peter, it's such an honor 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: to have you on the show. I'm a huge fan 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: of yours. You've done such great work trying to bring 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: to light a lot of corruption that happens, which is 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: an abundance sadly. 23 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: So I appreciate you taking the time to join the show. 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Lisa, I'm looking forward to it. Thanks so much 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: for having me. This will be fun. 26 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of conversations about the Bidens 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: and corruption. What do you think they get wrong? What 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: isn't being discussed? 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: That should the fact that the Bidens have received tens 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: of millions of dollars. We believe it's thirty one million 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: based on the emails from four Chinese businessmen, and those 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: four Chinese businessmen we know their names because again they're 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: on the laptop. Those four businessmen have ties to the 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: highest levels of Chinese intelligence, meaning that they are business 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: partners with the Vice Minister of State Security. So this 36 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 3: is not a oh, I'm going to steer a little 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: bit of money to my nephew as part of a 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: you know, only paving contract type of corruption. This is 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: international global corruption from our chief adversary. The Bidens have 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: received this money. There is zero evidence, zip not evidence 41 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 3: that they performed any kind of legitimate business service for 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: any of this money. And yet they receive the money 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 3: and the intelligence connections of the people that sent them 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: the money should make us all deeply, deeply concerned. 45 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: And what's Joe Biden's role in it? Because I think 46 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: there's some deference for Hunter Biden just because he's such 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: a mess. 48 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 49 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy who thought parmesan cheese 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: was I can't remember for those crack or cocaine. So 51 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, like he's got some issues. But what's Joe 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: Biden's role and all of it? 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: Well, Joe Biden is the planet around which all the 54 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: moons in the Biden family rotate. You know, Hunter Biden 55 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: certainly gets the most attention for his deals. But you know, 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: a couple of books ago, I did a book called 57 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 3: Profiles and Corruption, and we looked at the entire business 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: family of the Bidens, and we found that there were 59 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: at least five members of the Biden family who are 60 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: cashing in on the name. So it's not just Hunter. 61 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: I think the you know, people will say, well, you know, 62 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: he has the drug addiction and all of that, which 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 3: I think is true, but people are still shoveling money 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: at him, and they are also shoveling money at other 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: members of the Biden family. And then the question becomes 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 3: why How is it that these these individuals with last 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 3: Nam Biden are able to take in money when they're 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: not really doing much discernible in return. How are they 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: able to pull this off? And the answer, in my mind, 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: no doubt, is the fact that they provide access to 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, that Joe Biden is willing to talk to people, 72 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: meet people, listen to people in which his family is 73 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: engaged in commercial activities, and that is worth the price 74 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: of admission. That's what it seems like these foreign actors 75 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: are essentially saying. 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's also to your point, and you've talked about this. 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean when Joe Biden was Vice president, you know, 78 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: quite literally flying Hunter Biden around on Air Force two, 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: greasing the wheels, shaking the hands of business individuals like 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: he did in China. 81 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he flew several times with his father and Air 82 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: Force two. The famous one was the twenty thirteen December 83 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: flight where his father's going to meet with Chinese officials. 84 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 3: He's been anointed by Barack Obama, President of the United States, 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: as the point person on China policy, and Hunter Biden 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: flies to China with him and about a week after 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: that trip is when Hunter gets juiced in he's given 88 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 3: a ten percent ownership of this private investment fund that 89 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: the Chinese government is funding. He had no background in finance, 90 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: he had no background in China, and that timing is 91 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: certainly suspect. But there are other examples, Lisa of it 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: as well. We know from the emails that in twenty fourteen, 93 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden flew with his father when his father was 94 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: meeting the president of Mexico, and that email by talk 95 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 3: about it in Profiles and Corruption is particularly surprising and 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: shocking because Hunter Biden is berating a Mexican businessman, and 97 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: he's quite explicit. He says, look, I've given you what 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: you wanted. I got you meetings in the White House. 99 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 3: I got you a private meeting at the vice presidential mansion, 100 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: which courses his dad. I've given you all those things. Now, 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 3: where are the deals that you promised me? Which is 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: to me a clear admission that this is paid to play, 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: that this is access, that this is corruption. So Air 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: Force one is certainly one example of that. There are, 105 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: you know, numerous other examples. Frank Biden, who's Joe Biden's brother, 106 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: got a special commendation to set up a solar energy 107 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: company in Costa Rica, shortly after his brother had visited 108 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: Costa Rica, and again, Frank Biden had no background in 109 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: solar power or development or whatever. So when you have 110 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: a powerful figure like Joe Biden and the word gets 111 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 3: out on the street that you know there will to 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: do deals and play ball, the opportunities are endless, and 113 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 3: it can mean taking a phone call, taking a meeting, 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: flying somewhere, or simply greasing the skids for a family 115 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 3: member with a foreign leader. 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: How long has corruption influenced Joe Biden's career. I mean, 117 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 1: you know, obviously he's president. Now he's a vice president, 118 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: but he also served as you know, head of the 119 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee. It was pretty influential on Capitol Hill. 120 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always hard to know what is day one 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: in corruption. I think a lot of times the way 122 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 3: this works, people go into office, maybe they're idealistic, you know, 123 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 3: Joe Biden probably was, I think, and then over time 124 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 3: they come to believe that they are entitled to certain 125 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: things because they don't get paid as much as they 126 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: think they're worth. They work hard, they're doing things for 127 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 3: the country, and it has this sort of corrosive effect. 128 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 3: The early at signs to me with Joe Biden came 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties when he got special breaks on 130 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: a mortgage. He is a US senator, he doesn't have 131 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: a lot of money. He's not generating a huge amount 132 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: of income. But he was able to afford the purchase 133 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: of one of the DuPont mansions in Delaware because a 134 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: bank MBNA, which is a big bank in Delaware, gave 135 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 3: him a real sweetheart mortgage deal, you know, well below 136 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: market rates. NBNA of course had business matters before the Senate. 137 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: Joe Biden was helpful to them. Then if you go 138 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: to the two thousands, Hunter Biden, you know, is out 139 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: of law school. He's now looking for business ventures. He 140 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: immediately goes into the lobbying business and he works for 141 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: a lobbying firm that is lobbying his father on behalf 142 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: of Delaware based entities. Then Hunter gets involved with an 143 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: online gambling company lobbying for them with the Department of Justice. 144 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: There are all kinds of criminal charges against them. His 145 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: dad is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committees you 146 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: pointed out, So it starts to take hold. But I 147 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: think the big step for the Bidens was when Joe 148 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: became vice president because they were able to globalize corruption, 149 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: meaning they could now really find international players that are 150 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: willing to, you know, give them money that could be 151 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: in Ukraine, Russia, China, you know, wherever you might want 152 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: it to be. So this's the globalization of corruption that 153 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: I think created really big opportunities for the Bidens. And 154 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: it's kind of similar pattern to what the Clintons had. 155 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: The Clintons went in Arkansas with sort of low rent corruption, 156 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: but once Bill was out of the White House and 157 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: his wife was in the Senate and she became Secretary 158 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: of State, the level of corruption just exploded because there 159 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: was so much they could do for so many foreign actors. 160 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Do you think anyone can spend that much time in Washington, 161 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: d c. And not become corrupt? 162 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: Very hardly. So it's a great question. I think it's 163 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: very hard. It's very hard. 164 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: You know. 165 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: You know, Bobby Jendall, who I worked on a book 166 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: with years ago, served in Congress, and you know, he said, 167 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: you get there and you have the right principles and 168 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 3: you have the right commitment, and then what happens is 169 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: like everybody thinks you're brilliant, everybody thinks you're good looking, 170 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: everybody thinks you're going to be president, and your ego 171 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: starts to inflate. And his point was after about three terms, 172 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: it becomes really really hard. Now are there people there 173 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: that are longer that are not corrupt. Absolutely, but I 174 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 3: would argue they're probably the exception to the rule. And 175 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why Lisa I was usually 176 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: not in favor of term limits. I think, let the 177 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 3: voters decide. But I've come to the conclusion that the 178 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: level of corruption is so great it accumulates the longer 179 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: you stay there that term limits are really one of 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: the most effective ways to deal with it. It doesn't 181 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: eliminate the problem by any means, but it gets rid 182 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: of people who are there for twenty thirty years to 183 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 3: where the corruption becomes systematic, It becomes endemic and embedded 184 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: in almost everything that they do. And it happens on 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: both sides of the Aisle. 186 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: We know money and power corrupt. You had mentioned Ukraine. 187 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean we have just sending tens of billions of dollars, 188 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: just a continual flow of money to Ukraine is there 189 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: without really accountability either, without really transparency of where it's going, 190 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: what it's being spent on. Should Americans be concerned that 191 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: there's a corruptive nature to the money, considering the Biden 192 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: family has made money off of Ukraine in the past. 193 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, I think there should be. I mean, look, 194 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: my view is I think what Russia's doing is terrible. 195 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: I stand with the Ukrainian people. I think they should fight, 196 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: and they are fighting for their own independence and we 197 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 3: should support them. The problem is they have a very 198 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: corrupt government in Kiev that is running things, and there 199 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: are some sort of interesting connections that don't always get 200 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: pointed out. I mean, you look at President Zelenski of Ukraine, 201 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: who's been kind of rallying the Ukrainian people. Well, who 202 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: was the one that effectively put Zelenski in power. It's 203 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: a Ukrainian old guard named Kolomoyski. Kolomoyski is highly corrupt. 204 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 3: In fact, he owned a bank called Prevot Bank that 205 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: received money from the IMF and basically eight billion dollars 206 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: just disappeared, and everybody assumes Kolomoyski took it. Kolomoyski was 207 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 3: also believed to be a silent partner in a Ukrainian 208 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: energy company called Barisma, which is the energy company that 209 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: employed Hunter Biden. So Kolomoyski is the guy that by 210 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: most accounts financed the campaign for Zelensky and put him 211 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: in power. So Zolensky has ties, he has obligations. And 212 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: my view is I'm not an expert in foreign aid, 213 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: but my view is, you know, let's give the Ukrainians weapons, 214 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: let's send them food. But this notion that we should 215 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: send them large blocks of cash, I think is a 216 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: really stupid idea and it's an invitation to mass corruption. 217 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: And the notion that you know, the Biden administration says, well, 218 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: we're going to account for it all and we're going 219 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: to you know, do audits. How are you going to 220 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: audit Ukrainian banks when eight billion dollars just disappears, So 221 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: that that should be a real concern. And the tragedy here, 222 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 3: of course, is that it's the Ukrainian people are going 223 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: to suffer because they've got this corrupt political class that 224 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: rules over them. 225 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick commercial break back with 226 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the great Peter Schweizer. I mean, we know that Joe 227 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Biden fired the prosecutor general who was looking into Tubarisma HOLDINGGGS. 228 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: He you know, he bragged about it. 229 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Are there any examples to point two of how the 230 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: money did influence decisions from Joe Biden, whether it be 231 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, as vice president or his time in the 232 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: Senate or maybe even now. 233 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: It's a great question, and I think it really depends 234 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: on what type of corrupt arrangement is taking place between 235 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: the Bidens and the Ukrainians or the Bidens and the Chinese. 236 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: One could be basically a quid pro quo, which is, 237 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to give you this in return, 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: we're going to expect that. I don't think, particularly with China, 239 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: that's the way the relationship works. I think it's more 240 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: of a retainer. I think it's more we're going to 241 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: provide funding and we want you to, you know, generally, 242 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: not press us too hard. And there's lots of examples 243 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: of that. The Chinese use a term called elite capture. 244 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: It's a strategy they employ and it's kind of genius 245 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: if you think about it, because Lisa, what it basically 246 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: says is, rather than going toe to toe with the 247 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: United States, we're just going to buy off elements of 248 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: their leadership class, whether it's in Washington or Silicon Valley 249 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: or Wall Street and the Bidens, I think are a 250 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: prime example of that. Having received this money, and China's 251 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: very sophisticated in terms of what they're expecting from elites 252 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: they capture. They don't expect them to be sort of 253 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 3: you know robots that are spouting now is great and 254 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: we love the CCP. They use an expression, and the 255 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 3: expression is they're looking for big help with a little 256 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: bad mouth. So, in other words, the things that matter 257 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: most to them, which is, you know, essentially unfettered access 258 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: to our financial markets, unfettered access to our technology, and 259 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: unfettered access to our business market, you know, not tariffs 260 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: on goods where they can sell goods and dominate the 261 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: market in the United States. If you give them those 262 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: three things and you want to ding them on the wigers, 263 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 3: or you want to criticize them for human rights, or 264 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: you want to say we stand with Taiwan, they don't 265 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: really care. They're getting what they want from you. And 266 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: that's I think the way in which we need to 267 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: look at at the sort of behavior that the Bidens 268 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: are engaged in. And there's no doubt there are numerous 269 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: examples of how the Bidens have walked back and in 270 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: the face of clear threat proposed by China in their conduct, 271 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: the Biden camp has absolutely done nothing, and I think 272 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: it speaks to this commercial relationship that exists. 273 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: You'd mentioned Taiwan. How does Joe Biden deter China from 274 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: invading Taiwan when they are looking at him is probably 275 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: compromised and already bought and paid for. 276 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. I think that what China 277 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: wants from Taiwan is not war but the fruits of war, 278 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: to paraphrase Winston Churchill. I think we will know more 279 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: what mainland China is going to do after the January 280 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: election next year. In Taiwan. There is the KMT party 281 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: I believe it is, which is pro Beijing, pro Mainlan 282 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: China is running pretty close in the polls with the 283 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: ruling party, which is you know, Taiwan is an independent country, 284 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: so I think they want to play out that election 285 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: and see how it goes. They don't want a war 286 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: with China because there is uncertainty associated with it, and 287 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: all they have to do is look at what Russia 288 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: is doing in Ukraine. Think about all the modeling that 289 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: was done by the United States military, the UK NATO, 290 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 3: the expectation was within seven days the Russians would effectively 291 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 3: take over Ukraine. That's not been the case. Russian military 292 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: far less effective than expected. The Ukrainian has a lot 293 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: more fierce in their opposition than expected, and that has 294 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: to be playing into the calculation of Xi, which is, yes, 295 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: we've got this big military, but are we going to 296 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: be bogged down fighting a war with Taiwan that is 297 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: going to embarrass us? And I think that's part of 298 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: the calculation. So to me, Taiwan is not a central 299 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: issue for China. The central issue for China is their 300 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: power position relative the United States. They believe that if 301 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: the current trends continue, meaning they get access to our 302 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: capital markets, they get access to our technology, they get 303 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: access to our markets to sell their goods, they're going 304 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: to win and they will be the superior power very soon. 305 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: So they don't want to change that. They don't want 306 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: to disrupt that. Going to Taiwan could unify Asian countries 307 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: in the United States and Europe in a way that 308 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: could be detrimental to their larger goals. So I think 309 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: that the you know, the strong focus that so many 310 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: people have on Ukraine, I understand it, and the threat 311 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 3: is real, But I don't think that is the chief 312 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: objective of China. Their ambitions are much bigger than simply 313 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: reuniting with Taiwan. 314 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: Interesting, you talked about how you know China wants access 315 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and obviously they've already infiltrated a lot of our institutions, 316 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: including Eric S. 317 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: Welwell. 318 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: But and Ian Feinstein by that matter, in Employega, you 319 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: know which you know Trump was compromised. But Democrats literally 320 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: either Datham or employees bise. But talk about the Penn 321 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: Biden Center. 322 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Pen Biden Center to me is 323 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: an classic example of elite capture. So you know, Joe 324 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: Biden leaves the Vice presidency sets up the pen Biden 325 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: Center with the University of Pennsylvania. And I talk about 326 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: this in my book if you look at the website 327 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: when he set it up. Now this is twenty seventeen. 328 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: He's served in the administration. Barack Obama did a pivot 329 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: to Asia because of the rising threat from China, and 330 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 3: in fact, Barack Obama said China had replaced Russia as 331 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: the main strategic threat to the United States. Joe Biden 332 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: sets up the Biden Penn Center, and they say, our 333 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: goal is to protect Western values, and the three largest 334 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 3: threats we face are Russia, terrorism, and climate change, no 335 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: mention of China. China is not a threat according to 336 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: the Biden Pen Center when it's set up. You know, 337 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 3: that's kind of astonishing when you think about it. There 338 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: is a picture of Joe Biden with President g Though 339 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: on the website when they set it up as an 340 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: example of kind of the international diplomacy he's engaged in. 341 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: What raises a lot of concerns with people is the 342 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: Biden Penn Center was set up. It kind of co 343 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 3: mingles finances with the University of Pennsylvania. But when the 344 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: Biden Penn Center was set up, you saw an explosion 345 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 3: in donations from China. They dramatically increased to the University 346 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania. And in fact, some of those donations, several 347 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: multimillion dollar donations to the Biden Pen Center, actually came 348 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: from entities that were connected to Hunter Biden's activities in China, 349 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: so they're not random. And the Biden Pen Center really 350 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: became a sort of a depository for members of the 351 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: Biden team. So Tony Blincoln was there, who's now Secretary 352 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: of State. He was collecting a paycheck. You know, Joe 353 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 3: Biden's counselor in the White House was there for a while. 354 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: There were multiple people, including Joe Biden, that were collecting 355 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: large salaries there. And there's a lot of evidence that 356 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: China was financing those activities in China in the Biden 357 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 3: Penn Center. And on top of that, of course, you 358 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: have this sort of weird discovery that classified documents were 359 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: being stored at this academic institution in Washington, d c. 360 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: So the Biden Penn Center is a problem, but you 361 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: also have the University of Delaware set up a Biden Center. 362 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: There's actually two centers. The one in Delaware doesn't get 363 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: nearly the attention, but when he set up the Delaware operation, 364 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: they took in six million dollars in Chinese donations. There 365 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: had never been a single donation to the University of 366 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 3: Delaware before Joe Biden's Policy Center was set up in China. 367 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: So the Bidens have personally profited from their financial ties 368 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: to China and the institutions that they have built in 369 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 3: the University of Delaware and Penn, I would argue, you 370 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: have also benefited from this Chinese large s and it's 371 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: a huge problem. Again, These are not charities. They are 372 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: doing this for a reason, and I think one of 373 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: the things these Congressional committees need to get to the 374 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 3: bottom of, Lisa, is what were they getting in return 375 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 3: for this flow of money to the Biden family. 376 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: You know, you had mentioned Blinken and some of the 377 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: other members of the Biden administration. How many of our 378 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: public officials, elected officials are similarly compromised as Joe Biden. 379 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: It's a great question, and it's always hard to know 380 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: the extent to which they're compromised. But if you look 381 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: at the last four US ambassadors to China, including the 382 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: one appointed by Donald Trump. Sadly, the last four US ambassadors, 383 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: they all when they left the embassy and quit serving 384 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 3: as a US ambassador, either they or their family members 385 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: became consultants for Chinese companies. Timmy, That's just ridiculous and 386 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 3: atrocious and has no place. So we have a problem 387 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: with diplomats. We have a problem on Capitol Hill. By 388 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: the account of registered lobbyists in Washington, DC, we found 389 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: twenty three former senators and congressmen who right now are 390 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: lobbying not just for Chinese companies, Lisa, but for Chinese 391 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: companies dire directly tied to the Chinese military intelligence industrial complex. 392 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: Twenty three former senators and congressmen are lobbying for those 393 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: entities in Capitol Hill and someone are making a million 394 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: dollars a year. So it's a huge problem. It's a 395 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: problem with business leaders in Wall Street in Silicon Valley. 396 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 3: So we have to do this reassessment in the country 397 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: because we have, I think naively believed for decades that 398 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 3: by engaging in commerce with China, China would become more 399 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: like us. I think there's a lot of evidence that 400 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: we've actually become more like China, and far from becoming 401 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: more liberal. Over thirty years, I would argue that China 402 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: today is far more repressive than it was twenty years ago. 403 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 3: So this grand experiment of engagement has failed. All that 404 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 3: succeeded in doing is strengthening China and enriching American political 405 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 3: elites to the detriments of ordinary Americans. 406 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it begs the question who side are these 407 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: people on? 408 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: It does, and you know, it's funny because part of 409 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: the motivation clearly is money. For people like I think 410 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 3: the bidens. You could look at Mitch mcconnlin, his family 411 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 3: there's certainly a story to tell there. But then you 412 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: get to some of the others that have kind of 413 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 3: honestly very weird, praiseworthy things to say about the CCP 414 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 3: in China, people like Elon Musk or people like Bill Gates. 415 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 3: I mean, these are people who have hundreds of billions 416 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 3: of dollars, so I don't really think the motivation here 417 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 3: is money. The motivation here seems to be ego. It 418 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: seems to be hubris. You know, you take Bill Gates, 419 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: who is praised the Chinese government for how efficient they are. 420 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: Of course, it's very easy to be efficient when you 421 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: have no property rights or an independent judicial system or 422 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: free elections. But Bill Gates has praised that government, and 423 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: he's done considerable business with that government. He doesn't necessarily 424 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: need the money, but they stroke their egos. So you know, 425 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: a few years ago, China, you know, announced it was 426 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: the you know, the the one hundred years of the 427 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: founding of the Chinese Communist Party, and they listed the 428 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: thee hundred most influential people in world history. So this 429 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: is everybody. Now, Jesus was not on the list, but 430 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: Bill Gates was. Bill Gates was next to Marx and 431 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: Lenin and Mao and and you know, for some of 432 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: these guys, that sense of feeling important. You know, Bill 433 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 3: Gates talks about going and meeting with President G and 434 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: sharing ideas with him and discussing with him how to 435 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: deal with health issues, and you know, G is very appreciative, 436 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 3: and you know, Bill Gates says, you know, G works 437 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 3: so hard for the Chinese people. Those motivations are harder 438 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: to unpack. And I don't think they're financial, but I 439 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: would argue that some of those individuals, very wealthy individuals, 440 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: are also compromised, if if in a slightly different way. 441 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: How much influence does China have on our industries and 442 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: or institutions. I mean, we've seen it with the NBA, 443 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: and you know obviously with the Bidens, But to what 444 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: extent it's a huge. 445 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: Huge problem, particularly Silicon Valley and Wall Street. You know, 446 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: flashback to twenty seventeen when when President Trump put tariffs 447 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: on Chinese goods, Beijing was apoplectic. So where did they do, 448 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: they say, did they send a bunch of diplomats to Washington? No, 449 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 3: they actually send government officials to Wall Street, and they 450 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 3: went to the big firms Blackstone, Black Rock, Morgan Stanley, 451 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: and they said, hey, guys, look, you need to fix 452 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: this because if you don't fix this, we're shutting you 453 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: down in China. And you literally had American financial institutions 454 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: going to Washington lobbying the Trump White House, lobbying Capitol 455 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: Hill on behalf of the Chinese government. That's a huge problem. 456 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 3: And what China does is they dangle access to the 457 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: market in front of these people, and they are literally 458 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: willing to sell their I mean, I'll just give you 459 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: one brief example. There's a guy named Ray Dalyo who 460 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: is a head of Bridgewater Associates. It's the biggest private 461 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: hedge fund in the world, well known Wall Street figure. 462 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, he wrote a book called Principles, which 463 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 3: describe the people that have affected his life and influenced 464 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 3: him the most. And he goes on and on and 465 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: on and on in this book about this guy named 466 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 3: won Ki Shan in China, and he talks about him 467 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 3: in sort of prophetic terms, that this man is a 468 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: profoundly wise man, profoundly influential, a remarkable force for good. 469 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 3: And I've learned so much from won Ki Shan, and 470 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: I thought, okay, who's won Ky Sean. Well, it turns 471 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: out he's the second most powerful man in China and 472 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: he's President J's enforcer. In fact, the Economist magazine calls 473 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 3: him the most feared man in China, because if you 474 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: get disappeared in China, chances are Wyan Kishan the guy 475 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,719 Speaker 3: that's arranged it. So I thought to myself, what on 476 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: earth is prompting a smart guy like Ray Dalyio to 477 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: say something like this. Well the answer came about a 478 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: year year and a half after he released this glowing 479 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 3: book talking about Wonky Sean. That's when Bridgewater Associates became 480 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: the first hedge fund in the world to be allowed 481 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 3: to sell its products to people in mainland China. And 482 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: I think it's that simple. I mean, that is what 483 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: selling your soul looks like. And unfortunately, there's a lot 484 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: of people in finance and in Silicon Valley that are 485 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 3: prepared to do that. And it's an enormous problem. I 486 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: don't know exactly what the solution is, but we've got 487 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: to address it in some way because these individuals are 488 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: literally building up our chief competitor at our expense. 489 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: It kind of makes you question if it's possible to 490 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: untangle ourselves from China. 491 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are areas that we can, and 492 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: we must. It's going to be painful. My view is, 493 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 3: I don't know if if China even sells potato chips 494 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: in the United States, but if it's somebody like potato 495 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 3: chips or soybeans, I don't really have a problem with it, 496 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: because the ordinary, ordinary Chinese people are in a sense, 497 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: the main victims of the CCP, and they've got to 498 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 3: make a living. What I have a problem with is 499 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: the technology and the medical supplies and their ability to 500 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 3: manipulate and control us through it. Let's remember during COVID, 501 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: President Trump raised the issue of you know what he 502 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: called the Kung flu or the you know, the China 503 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: virus and its origins from a Chinese lab, and what 504 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: do the Chinese governments say? The Chinese government issued a 505 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 3: statement saying, you know, if this continues, we may shut 506 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: off the export of antibiotics to your country and you 507 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: will be living in a sea of COVID. That's what 508 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: they said, and I think they meant it, And actually 509 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 3: the rhetoric in Washington did kind of ratchet down. That's 510 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: a problem. And so when we have this economic tie 511 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 3: to them, and it's in critical strategic industries I would say, 512 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: like green energy technologies. I mean, Biden's plan for expanding 513 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 3: green energy is a giveaway to Beijing. Eighty percent of 514 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: solar panels and of battery technologies are made in China, 515 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: so we need to decouple that. Other strategic industries, certainly 516 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: in electronics and medicals, those areas we need to decouple. 517 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: If people are buying blue jeans or T shirts that 518 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: are made in China, I have less of a problem 519 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: with that, and I think we can allow that commerce 520 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 3: to continue. But in these strategic industries we absolutely must 521 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: decouple ourselves. 522 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: I think Trump is really right about bringing back manufacturing 523 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: here in the United States. Particularly to your point, I mean, 524 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: we should not be relying on China for eighty to 525 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: ninety percent of our antibiotics. That's absurd and dangerous too. 526 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: To your point when they threaten to withhold them, Yeah, 527 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, you look at the Biden fami. 528 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: Have crimes been committed. 529 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: I believe they have. It's you know, I always preface 530 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: things by saying I'm not a lawyer, and you know 531 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 3: it's also the challenge in Washington is that, you know, 532 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 3: political families are very, very smart. They do a lot 533 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: of corrupt things, and our laws are written in such 534 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: a way that unless you can demonstrate an explicit quid 535 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: pro quo, you know you are. Let's say, Senator Booth 536 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: from the great state of Florida, if I come in 537 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: to see you, I know you would never do this, 538 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: but I'm just giving you this scenario. 539 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, I always, I always people give scenarios. 540 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, exactly, I'm just just for just completely 541 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 3: illustrative purposes, hypothetical exactly. But you know, if you're the 542 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: senator from the state of Florida and I came in 543 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 3: and I gave you a shoe box of money and said, 544 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 3: Senator Booth, I need you to vote for this bill, 545 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 3: and you voted for that bill, that is absolutely a 546 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: crime because it's a quid pro quo. I said, I'm 547 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: going to give you money, and you took that action. Now, 548 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: if I came to you as a senator and I said, 549 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 3: you know, Senator Booth, I know you've got this adult child. 550 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 3: Let's say I'd love to hire them as a quote 551 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: unquote consultant for my business. And you're like, oh, that's great. 552 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: And I'm going to pay them two hundred and fifty 553 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year. They don't really have to show 554 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: up all that much, you know. I'll let them know 555 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: when we need them. Oh and by the way, there's 556 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: this legislation I'm really concerned about, you know. And here's 557 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: why I'm concerned about it. If I don't ask you, 558 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: but you end up voting for that bill, I've accomplished 559 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: the same thing. But is that illegal. It's not an 560 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 3: explicit quid pro quo, and our laws are more fuzzy. 561 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: So part of the problem we have is, you know, 562 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: these people are not dumb when people say, you know, 563 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden is this drug addict, and Hunter Biden went 564 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: to Yale Law School when he has personal problems, but 565 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: he's smart in the way that he communicates what he 566 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: says and what he did doesn't say, in the manner 567 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: in which they conduct their business. The Bidens are that way, 568 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,959 Speaker 3: the Clintons were that way. Certainly Republicans who have engaged 569 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: in the smart way. So the question of whether something 570 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: is illegal is hard to answer, but I think it 571 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: evades the larger point, which is I think in either 572 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: scenario fictional scenario, that I laid out. I think anybody 573 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 3: would look at that and said, either one of those 574 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: is just wrong. The fact that you go to jail 575 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 3: for the first one and then the second one, I 576 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 3: hire your kid and I accomplish the same thing. People 577 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 3: think that's terrible too, and want that to stop. The 578 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: problem is our laws. It's hard to create laws that 579 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: deal with very, very clever, corrupt behavior. 580 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you've got the Pelosis killing it 581 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: in the finance. What their investments, you know, it's like 582 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: they seem to you know, obviously he seems to always 583 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: be ahead the curve her husband there. 584 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Pelosis have been very smart about this. I did 585 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: a segment years ago with sixteen minutes on how the 586 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 3: Pelosis would get initial public offerings of stock. I mean, 587 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: this is just genius. Where you know, Visa, for example, 588 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: wanted some legislation killed when Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of 589 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: the House. Her husband was given access to five thousand 590 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: IPO shares of stock before the public listing, and they 591 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 3: made one hundred thousand dollars in a single day. Well, 592 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: the only people that were really I think rightfully given 593 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 3: access to those IPO shares of stock were investors, board members, etc. 594 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: But suddenly you have Paul Pelosi that's given access to 595 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: the ice these IPO shares of stock, and Nancy Pelosi 596 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: kills the visa legislation. Is that illegal? I think it's 597 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: highly unethical, and I think it ought to be investigated. 598 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: But to the point we're making earlier, if she had 599 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 3: taken one hundred thousand dollars cash and they told her 600 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: don't vote this, you know, don't vote for this, and 601 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: she took their advice, that would be an explicity legal act. 602 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: And the Pelosis have been masters, masters at manipulating the system, 603 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 3: enriching themselves in massive ways, and doing so in a 604 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: way that kind of obscures the legality of it. It's 605 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 3: kind of a gray area. 606 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: When it's pretty infuriating as they vote and perpetuate policies 607 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: that harm, you know, the financials of everyday Americans, whether 608 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: it's driving up gas prices or you know, inflation or 609 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's pretty infuriating when they're obviously leveraging 610 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: their positions to get rich. 611 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: You know, you look at the Department. 612 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 1: Of Justices investigation and to Hunter Biden, do you think 613 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: that we'll bring them to Joe Biden. Do they even care? 614 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Is that going anywhere as the classified documents into Joe 615 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: Biden going anywhere? 616 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,479 Speaker 2: Is it all just a joke. 617 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 3: Well, it's a good question. I don't really know the 618 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: answer of it. I was more optimistic early on. So 619 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: I wrote a book called Secret Empires in twenty eighteen, 620 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: which was the first book that exposed the Biden's China 621 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 3: deals and you know the extent of the Barisma deal 622 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 3: and all of that. And I was contacted by the 623 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: FBI at that time, who said, we're interested in this, 624 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: we want to talk to you. I had a line 625 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: of communication that was all good, and literally four months 626 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 3: after my book was published, this grand jury was convened 627 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 3: to look at the deals in China. So I was 628 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: very optimistic. I was very excited. And then a year 629 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 3: went by and I said, okay, well, you know these 630 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 3: things take time. Two years went by. We're now five 631 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 3: years into this investigation. And I think the revelations of 632 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: this whistleblower from the IRS who's come forward are very 633 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: very interesting because if you simply look at the issue 634 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 3: of tax evasion hunter Biden, there's just in mind clearly 635 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 3: has committed felony level tax evasion. He owed millions of 636 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 3: dollars in taxes, he never paid money, and a lot 637 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 3: of his earnings from overseas. They can be in the 638 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: grand jury in twenty eighteen, and then in twenty twenty two, 639 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: years after they're investigating it, he gets this California lawyer 640 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 3: to pay two million dollars of what he owes the irs. 641 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: That doesn't matter, I mean in similar cases, people are 642 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 3: prosecuted almost immediately. In these circumstances, there were even emails 643 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: on the laptop where his accountant is saying have you 644 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 3: paid taxes on any of this money? And Hunter Biden 645 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: blows him off, and he didn't pay taxes on it. 646 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 3: So you look at that, you look at the fair 647 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: of violations. These are the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Clearly 648 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 3: Hunter Biden was representing foreign entities before the US government. 649 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 3: There are multitude of examples in the emails and meetings 650 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 3: that he set up with people that met with his 651 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: father when he was vice president. There are emails where 652 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: people say do we need to register under Pharah because 653 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 3: we're setting up these meetings and hunter Biden doesn't respond. 654 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 3: And yet the Justice depart and has gone after Republicans 655 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 3: for fear of vir relations, I would argue rightfully so, 656 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 3: by the way, but there's this massive inconsistency. So we 657 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 3: are five years into this grand jury and I've pretty 658 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 3: much had it. I'm an optimist by nature, but the 659 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 3: fact that this continues to drag on and now you've 660 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 3: got the luxury granted of a meeting Hunter Biden's lawyers 661 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 3: apparently meeting with DOJ officials a few days ago to 662 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 3: discuss this. I just don't think they would lend this 663 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: kind of soft treatment to anyone else politically in the 664 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 3: business world. And it speaks to a huge problem because Lisa, 665 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 3: if you look at the decline of civilizations in world history, 666 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: the sign of decline that is the most troublesome. It's 667 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: not elections, although elections are really important. It's when the 668 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 3: judicial system serves the interests of certain powerful people and 669 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 3: it treats other people differently. That's when a civilization is 670 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: in trouble and is in decline. And that's what we see, 671 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: I think in spades with the Bidens right now. 672 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 2: Sadly, that's what we have. I'm in with you unfair. 673 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: I think it should be in force, but it's being 674 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: selectively enforced. 675 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 2: To your point. 676 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, that's the problem with our society today, just 677 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: like you know, you look at the Clinton's team getting 678 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: immunity and talking to the FBI, where you know they 679 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: don't grant that to Michael Flynn for instance. 680 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 3: Exactly. Great point, great point, you know. 681 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: So that's where we are today in this really sad state. 682 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: You know, you've written multiple New York Times best selling 683 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: books on corruption, bringing truth to light, exposing all of 684 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: this stuff. 685 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 2: How'd you get into that? You know why? Corruption? You 686 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: know what, what about. 687 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: It gets you up in the morning and you just 688 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: have that perseverance and desire to get to the truth 689 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: and investigate. 690 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 3: Well, part of it least is it just kind of 691 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 3: pisses me off. That's part of it. But I mean, 692 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: more to the point, I think, you know, we have 693 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 3: a obviously a big philosophical ideological debate taking place in 694 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: our country today between progressives and additional conservatives, America Firsters, 695 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them. There's this ideological debate 696 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 3: going on, But I think there's more driving the debate 697 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 3: than that. I do believe corruption is driving a lot 698 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 3: of what we're seeing in Washington, DC. And it's a 699 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 3: reason why you see Republicans that get elected being traditional 700 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 3: fiscal conservatives, we're going to hold spending, and then suddenly 701 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 3: two years later they're spending money like drunken sailors. Because 702 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 3: there's a business model. And the business model is when 703 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: you grow government, you create opportunities for enrichment. You're creating 704 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 3: more demand for your services, you have more power, you 705 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 3: have more influence, you can pick more winners and losers. 706 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 3: So that motivates and incentivizes our elected and unelected officials 707 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 3: to engage in growing the size and scope of our 708 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 3: government because they can self enrich and corrupt. And I 709 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 3: think that's a huge problem. Once you make something not 710 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 3: just a policy goal, but a selfish, self and Richmond goal, 711 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 3: you are going to have a group of motivated people 712 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 3: that are aggressively going to cling to power. And I 713 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 3: think one of the sort of issues you see on 714 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: this issue of you know, the intelligence communities and the 715 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 3: FBI and they're sort of butting heads with Donald Trump 716 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 3: and their opposition to Trump. Part of it is they 717 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 3: don't want, you know, some things necessarily revealed, or they 718 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,959 Speaker 3: don't want their powers restricted some of the things Donald 719 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 3: Trump is. But part of it is they've got a 720 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 3: great business model going. I mean, you leave the FBI, 721 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 3: you immediately become a consultant to all these companies, to 722 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 3: all these overseas actors. It really looks pretty greasy, but 723 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 3: nobody inside the Beltway talks about it. So I think 724 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 3: a lot of what we see happening in Washington is 725 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 3: being driven by corruption. And I figure that, you know, 726 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: there are a lot of great people fighting the philosophical battle. 727 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 3: I felt like the corruption part was unrepresented, so I 728 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 3: dove right in. 729 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick commercial break. Please stay 730 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: with us. Are Republicans doing a good job digging into 731 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: this stuff in the House? 732 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 3: I think yes and no. I think the Oversight Committee 733 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 3: is doing some good work. But I think the mistake 734 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 3: that's made is we need to be thinking like prosecutors. 735 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,320 Speaker 3: They're not prosecutors on the committee. They're part of a 736 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 3: congressional committee. But you need to be smart about it. 737 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 3: And I think every time something comes out, you hold 738 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 3: a press conference, you hold an announcement, here's three other 739 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 3: Biden family members that have made money. It soon becomes 740 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 3: white noise. I mean, if you're doing it every other day, 741 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 3: it's like white noise. Okay, Yeah, well this isn't a 742 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 3: big deal, because I heard sixteen more of them, like 743 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 3: over the last two months. So I'm more in favor 744 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 3: of thinking like a prosecutor, collecting the information, holding it tight, 745 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 3: and then bringing people before the committee and really asking 746 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 3: them specific questions, saying, you know, you know, to Hunter 747 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 3: Biden or to the business partner, did you did Joe 748 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 3: Biden help you in any way? And when they say no, say, well, 749 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 3: you know that's interesting because I've got this email where 750 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 3: it says that Hunter talked to his dad about this 751 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 3: very deal. So I want them to be smart in 752 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 3: that way. I feel like part of the challenges people 753 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 3: on that committee, they have other assignments, they have other responsibilities. 754 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 3: There's a whole debt ceiling debate going on. It's very 755 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 3: very hard to focus on this one singular thing. But 756 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 3: I do think like you have to have at least 757 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 3: three or four members of that committee who are laser 758 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 3: focused on this issue. It can be complicated, it's easy 759 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 3: to obscure, and if you don't know the details, it's 760 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 3: going to be very very easy for Team Biden to 761 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: spin this. 762 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: That's a really good point, Peter Schwizer, anything you want 763 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: to leave us with before we go. 764 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 3: There are a lot of things I'm discouraged and frustrated about, 765 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 3: but I am optimistic about my country because I know 766 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 3: the principles it was founded on. I know what ordinary 767 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: people want and need. I think those values are still bedrock. 768 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 3: So don't get discouraged. If you get discouraged when you 769 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 3: hear this kind of stuff, or you get discouraged when 770 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 3: Lisa is talking about the crazier things going on in Washington, 771 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 3: don't get discouraged. That's exactly what they want you to do. 772 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 3: To get discouraged, unplugged, and go away. And if they 773 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 3: accomplish that, it's going to make their win a lot easier. 774 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 3: I think we're going to win, but even if we're 775 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 3: going to lose, I want to make it as hard 776 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 3: as possible for them for them to be victorious. So 777 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 3: my message would be, don't lose heart, you know, be informed, 778 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 3: know that this is happening, and then engage and fight 779 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 3: for your country. 780 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 2: I love that, you know. 781 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: I keep being like, this is the hill I die, 782 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: and then there's just so many hills. 783 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 3: Well, and the thing is pretty soon there won't be 784 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 3: any other hills. You know, this is it, and you 785 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 3: know the old joke about there's no other country to 786 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 3: escape to. There isn't. I mean, this is it, so 787 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 3: so you know, let's stand and fight. 788 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: I I agree, Peter, appreciate what you do. I've always 789 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 1: been a huge fan, so it's an honor to have 790 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: you on the show. I thank you so much for 791 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: taking the time. 792 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. Great questions, Lisa, and thanks for having me. 793 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 2: That was the great Peter Schweizer. 794 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: Had actually had emailed him before to try to get 795 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: him on the show, but couldn't get him, and then 796 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,880 Speaker 1: i ran into someone who works for him, and so 797 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: I'm so glad to have him on the podcast. 798 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 2: Truly a fan of his. He does such a good. 799 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: Job at taking all these really complicated issues and making 800 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 1: it digestible with explaining why it matters. So just appreciate 801 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,880 Speaker 1: what he does and just cool to have him on 802 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: the show. 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