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Speaker 1: we got the room packed with Apparently it's packed with

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Speaker 1: I want you to douce yourselves. My name is rich Fortunate.

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Speaker 1: I'm the acting Chief Patrol Agent to have their sector

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol Sector. Want to say that real slow? Richard

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Speaker 1: Fortunado the acting Chief Patrol Agent of the Haver Sector

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Speaker 1: Border Patrol Sector. So your patroling the northern border I'm patrolling. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Hi Charles trost Um, currently the Tusson Sector public Leans

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Speaker 1: and like driving the point fold yeah, and I think

427
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: that someone said don't it's too aggressive, and so he

428
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: started to go up in that. But he would then

429
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: roll that pointer finger and he'd have that little thumb

430
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: pointing out and it was widely parodied. So when criminals

431
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: talking about Clinton's hands, I thought she was talking about that,

432
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: But you're talking about him making up some and I

433
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: guess him putting his fingers together, making a little church.

434
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: It's like templing, is what I believe they call it. Yeah,

435
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a show of dominance over who you're

436
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: talking to. Apparently it's a subconscious thing. Yeah, I think

437
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: I did bring my kids, but I associate it was

438
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: trying to like calm myself down where I'm like, listen,

439
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: look me in the eye. Yeah, I'm establishing dominance for sure. Yeah. Uh,

440
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: gotta plug our trivia tournament. We're gonna crown a trivia

441
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: champion three tournament episodes. So the way it's gonna go,

442
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like an elimination thing. I'm trying to

443
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: think of a good sports analogy, but I can't help

444
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: me out any playoff, playoff, any bracket ever start with

445
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: you guys play along the mediator trivia. Ever, it's unfortunate

446
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: we're not we're not having one today because we were

447
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: all prepared. I came in thinking we probably were. Yeah,

448
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: you're him in trouble. I continue to hear from Tommy Edson,

449
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: the blue collar scholar who always sends me his scorecard

450
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: on his steering wheel because he does it on a

451
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: lunch break or something at work. And of course he

452
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: said me the other day he had to not tell

453
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: me Gus thinks he's be the randing champion. But then

454
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: we had him here and he didn't win. I don't

455
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know. I gotta get him back here.

456
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: He's always telling me he won this and one that. Um,

457
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with four teen players and weed him

458
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: out as we go a lot of drama and surprises

459
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: along the way. Well, Brody NDErs, Um, you know I'm

460
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: not I'm not talk to hr about this age is

461
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: and thing going on while you're doing it. You know

462
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go down there with you. Yeah, because you

463
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: know what I learned His age is. Um. Did you

464
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: know that you can't dog on someone for not knowing technology?

465
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: M that's ages. Um, you can't say, oh, he's not

466
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: tech savvy of a person of my age, and that's

467
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: all anybody does. His goof on me. I get skinny shamed,

468
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: I get tech shamed. YEP. So yeah, let me know

469
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: what that age. We'll go down there and I'll be like,

470
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Brownie has some complaints about me, and I have some

471
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: complaints about everybody else. Was it inappropriate for me to

472
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: say Phil sounded twice his age? I don't know. Yeah,

473
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of complex. Come down business here. Now,

474
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: I'd like to tell you complaint about these podcasts. Guess

475
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: we had to get your take on something. Oh, this

476
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: guy wrote it. Really See, I'm telling you I got

477
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: two stories for you, guys, but they're they're appropriate because

478
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: they both border on law enforcement and lawbreaking kind of.

479
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: So a guy, a guy rode in. It takes a

480
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: lot of um somethings like that takes a lot of

481
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: I don't know, gumption. Let's say, yeah, we use a

482
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: lot of you. Oh, I was wrong on a Yiddish

483
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: word recently, making love is to stop. Oh, I didn't

484
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: know that stuck. It's stuck stuck and uh someone wrote

485
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: in to correct me. Will so check this out. Will

486
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: from Omaha, Nebraska. This is an insane story. He's hunt

487
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: a piece of land. So he's in Nebraska. He's hunt

488
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 1: a piece of land accessible only by boat on the

489
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Missouri River. Okay, he had decided to take. So he's

490
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: going out scout and he wants to take down his

491
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: own dear stand because he's got a camera out and

492
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: there's no action on the trail camera. He says he

493
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: had noticed that there had been a stand that had

494
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: been sitting in the same spot in the woods for

495
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: three years, on the same piece of public land. In Nebraska,

496
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: a stand becomes legally abandoned after February, Right, So if

497
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: you put a stand in public land in Nebraska, you

498
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: got till February take it down, at which point it's

499
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: it becomes part of the public property. He decides to,

500
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: as he put it, acquired that stand, and he froll

501
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: sees to go down do some scouting, and that's I

502
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: think that's like a good thing to do because he's

503
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: not only acquiring his stand, but he's cleaning cleaning the

504
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: woods up. Oh man, there's one I got my eye

505
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: on on a chunk of state land. It's been there

506
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: for three years. Well talk to this guy first. Where

507
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: the story gets crazy. He also had set out a

508
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: line for catfish, so he goes to check out his

509
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: line for catfish. He's messing with his catfish line and

510
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: another boat pulls up, asked him if he's seen anyone

511
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: in the area because they just had a stand stolen.

512
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: He says, cool. I messed up by panicking and not

513
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: confessing that it was me and tried to play it

514
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: off like I didn't know. He then he was looking

515
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: to the right side of his brain, like I was shocked.

516
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: This guys after this guy's writing in about this. He says,

517
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: they then decided to check my boat and found their stand.

518
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: They went into a fury, and when I tried to

519
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: explain my reasoning, it made no difference to them. They demanded,

520
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: under threat of violence, that I showed them my I

521
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: d and then asked if I had taken a ship

522
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: by their setup. I had, he says, they had. He

523
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: says they had a whole illegal camp set up with

524
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: two by fours nailed into trees to make a windbreak,

525
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: and a picnic table and a fire pit. But he

526
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: thought this stuff was from years past and it was

527
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: obvious they had been there a long time, so nature

528
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: called I took a dump there. They then demanded, once

529
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: again under threats of kicking my ass, that I pick

530
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: up my ship with my bare hands, and so I

531
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: did what I had to do to not get eat up.

532
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Then left was told to not come back there again.

533
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna hunt there because I did see some

534
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: nice scrapes. And that's man dedicated to the cause right there.

535
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: He wanted to get our opinion on it. I don't

536
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: have no opinions. I have one opinion. He's a service shitter.

537
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Oh that's bad. Oh yeah, that ainion. Yeah, but the

538
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: other guys the wrong too. Right sorted out with the

539
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: game Warden. Two wrongs don't make it. He should have

540
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: buried his uh ship and then he wouldn't at least

541
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: would have had half the problems that he had. He Um.

542
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: He says, Also, I'd like to serve as an example

543
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: of how even if you're not breaking the law, you

544
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: can still find yourself in trouble, and once caught, just

545
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: tell the truth because if you don't, nothing you say

546
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: after that half will be believable. Also, don't ship in

547
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: other people's camps. Um, here's what I want to bring up.

548
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: But it's this is gonna this is gonna take some

549
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: production skills. Yanni, do you remember long ago what episode

550
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: number was that Double Digits Episode sixty. We recorded an

551
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: episode in Guyana with a mkushi man named Roven Alvin.

552
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: I do remember this. Do you remember what Roven told

553
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: us was going on with the local white lipped peckery population.

554
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I remember something about that he told us. He told

555
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: us that they were having a problem because there was

556
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: a village down the river that was jealous of his

557
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: village's prosperity, and they had a shaman who had locked

558
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: all of their packery's in a mountain, And they had

559
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: a young shaman in their village that they were hoping

560
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: would get trained up and developed the necessary skills to

561
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: unlock the packers from the mountain because they hunt white

562
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: lipp packeries. The other day, I'm looking through my emails

563
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: and there's, uh, I subscribe to a news list and

564
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: there's a email there's an article, a study called the

565
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: case of Latin America's mysterious disappearing and reappearing white lip packeries.

566
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: And it gets into how so they look very similar

567
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: to a ha alina, which is a collared packery, but

568
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: they run in herds of two. I mean, there's there's

569
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: a video attached to this article that just is like

570
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: a cross, like a a trail along the river and

571
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: it just goes on for seven eight minutes. My kids

572
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: love it. It's just seven eight minutes of white lip

573
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: peckeries just flooding through across this trail. Uh. And it

574
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: goes on to talk about this research to document large

575
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: scale white lipped peckery disappearances and wild population cycling across

576
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: the range in Latin America, and it alludes to indigenous

577
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: people's mythologies that were built up to explain how it

578
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: could happen that one minute there's hundreds and you're living

579
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: off them. In the next minute they're just gone. And

580
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: the article talked about that very thing. Um. Other More,

581
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: what would you used for it? Not a cult? That's

582
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: not the right word spiritual X. I don't know is

583
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: that the right word? Spiritual explanations? What would you say?

584
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: Other worldly explanations? Maybe spiritual explanations for a phenomenon that

585
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: researchers are just now trying to understand. It goes on

586
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: and on, but I think we should revisit that story

587
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: um from Rovin as much as much as as possible,

588
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: and then think about that where this paper it goes

589
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: on and on about these wild population migrations and fluctuations

590
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: and talks about this being a long standing puzzle among

591
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: indigenous people's roban. We talked about something privately, and if

592
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk about you don't have to.

593
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: But would you mind talking to a public audience about

594
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: what happened with the packeries or is that something you

595
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: don't want to discuss, like why you're not seeing them

596
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: right now? Well, um, we have sha men. They are

597
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: like the I would say, they're like the doctor's northst

598
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: Livory you would call in your country. But here we

599
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: have like shamans. They are knowledgeable, they have the power

600
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: of using we call it a Marian science. They can't

601
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: do anything to a fish the river, to animals such

602
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: as pickery is um twelve. Approximately twelve years ago, we

603
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: used to have lots of peckeries coming close to the

604
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: village feeding a white white lit packer. Would you come

605
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: like a one hundred or two hundred of them at

606
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: a time. Yeah, they're like a hog pig. Yeah, we

607
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: call it white. We call havel. We have the collared packer,

608
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 1: which is called Havilina. This is a bigger, louder, more

609
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: gregarious Havilina species of colored white let packery. So this

610
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: this hugs white hugs. Pickery is used to come and

611
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: feeding in the end of the ponds. We didn't fruits

612
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: not warm. And as you go trout up the river

613
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: you can bump into them. You can head them up

614
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a destance. You can't even smell them. It's a fine.

615
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: So we to have a lot of fun like shooting,

616
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: and we have like meat. You can barbecue lots of

617
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: barbecues fresh meat. Now in order I'm ranging villages. They

618
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: have people that have very knowledge, like you said show men,

619
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: and because of we um having a lot of food

620
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: and where they don't. Now there's like jealousy if forever,

621
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: if I'm jealous of Steve, Steve is accurately shooting, I

622
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: would do my highest science on Steve and next time

623
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: he would shoot accurate. Anything should is like miss keep

624
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: missing a curse on them. Yeah, So because of my

625
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: I use my high science on him. So people are

626
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: like like that here. So what they do is like

627
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: this top the pickeries, they lock them up somewhere well

628
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't were, but somewhere in the mountains. I have

629
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: no idea using their highest science. Now to get the

630
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: pickers to come out from there, we have to get

631
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: another another shalman that could do the highest science to

632
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: get the pickers out from there because they are lacked

633
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: out there. Now, if we have one like that, we

634
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: could get the speakers out now they will be all

635
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: over again. But that's that's how the pickers had me stopped.

636
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: How did they showman get that get to that level? Well,

637
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: is there someone training or you know what I mean?

638
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: They learn from their parents. Their parents like it was

639
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: like a shaman and smoke, tobacco, trades, nose and you

640
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: know that these a lot of things. They can bring

641
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: them like a fish spirit by shaking the bush in

642
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the house and doing their things and stuff like that.

643
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: And then they can bring them like a picker is

644
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: h pickery is leader. I would call it that way. Now, hey,

645
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, gab with him, take shout of local drink,

646
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: you know by spirit. And then if the shaman said, okay,

647
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: what I want to luck you up here for a

648
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: while to three years, four five years, how many years

649
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: and be there, I don't come on, I want you

650
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: to be there. I want you to stay there. That's

651
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: how the shaman works. They have like a little power designs.

652
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: They are working so they are like good and bad ones.

653
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you are here and you said,

654
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: the picker is but we used to have a lot

655
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: of pickers here. We have to have a lot of myths.

656
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: We used to have a lot of fun. But now

657
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: there's no white pickories. We just have the colored ones around.

658
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: Did the did the shaman or the other village that

659
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: use the high science to lock up the packers? Did

660
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: they tell you that they were doing this or did

661
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: the packers just disappear? And then you you you speculated

662
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: that that's why they We we know, we know, we

663
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: know because for a while we didn't any pickeries and

664
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: then we have our shaman. And the village is not perfect,

665
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: but at least you can get some experience. But he

666
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: could already could tell you what is happening. He knows

667
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: what happened. So he said, ah, there's somebody locked them

668
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: up there, so they're there. That's what anymore. Even the

669
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: fish like, if somebody like do something to the river,

670
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: you will hardly get some fish, hardly get some turtles, otters,

671
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: kinmons and so on. So that is how the shaman works.

672
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: There are gooddons and bottons, you know, they could do

673
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: any anything. I understand whoever, like I understand why someone

674
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: would be jealous of rewild village because it's a beautiful

675
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: village that's wonderful to visit. So I understand how someone

676
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: that had a bad village that wasn't this way and

677
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: this friendly and such great people. Um, I see how

678
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: they would get jealous. Yeah, but I don't think that you.

679
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: I don't think that that that that that I hope

680
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: that your packery's come back. Yeah, I hope they come

681
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: back soon. Some day I started to shan wanna being

682
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: like briandad. I hope that I hope that they come back.

683
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Guy wrote in why I always say that pronghorns smell

684
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: like freedom lay corn chips. It's a bacterial him. Dogs

685
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: get him, Dogs can get him. It's not harmful, but

686
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: that dogs need the same bacteria. It makes them smell

687
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: like corn chips. If I wasn't lying, When you guys

688
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: round up those prong horn, do you ever get a

689
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: whiff of freedo smell? Um? Yeah? What does it smell like?

690
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: It smells like the desert. Yeah, I can't say that

691
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I've ever smelled corn chips. Smells like not just corn chips,

692
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Freedo lake. Well, because I was I was thinking about

693
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: a while back, I can't remember which guest it was

694
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: that you had had um. He was talking about how

695
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: like one of his favorite smells is like when your

696
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: dog is sleeping and you know it's a really good

697
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: sleep because your dog gets up and it smells like

698
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: corn chips. And he said I was in my car

699
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: listening to that, and I was like, oh my god,

700
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one that's ever smelled that, like

701
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought for sure I was the one

702
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: that was crazy, like because I talked to my kids

703
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: about it and they're like, I don't think I've ever

704
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: smelled that from the dog's dad. And I'm like, I

705
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: swear like sometimes when the dogs sleep, if it's a

706
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: really good sleep, they and it smells like corn chips.

707
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: And I just heard it somebody else, somebody else has

708
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: a dog that does that, and I was super psyched that, Okay,

709
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy like this is. And now there's scientific

710
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: information that backs up my dogs can smell like corn chips,

711
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: and it's okay. I actually think that's on the it's

712
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: on their paths at the feet's on the path. It's

713
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: not harmful, but it can spin out of control. It

714
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: talks about dogs control their body temperature by paintings, since

715
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: they don't perspire. The only place dogs have to cool

716
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: downs on the bottom of their feet. Chip sizes This

717
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: veterinarian emphasizes that the friedo smell is completely normal and

718
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that your dog has a bacterial or fungal infection. However,

719
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: he's a it goes on, he's older, they can get

720
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: out of control and uh, your dog can get unhealthy

721
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: feet bumps, redness, swelling, or changes in your dog's behavior,

722
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: So watch out for that. All right, Do you guys

723
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: want to start with the southern border of the Northern border?

724
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: How are you supposed to do this? Mm hmmm, I

725
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: guess like rock, paper scissors? Yeah, where's the wind blowing today?

726
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Is it coming from the north? STI I was gonna

727
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: say north. I don't know why it's my decision, but

728
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: something start. Let's start with the north. I feel like

729
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: the south is the carrot. What patrol in the northern border? Um,

730
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I made a joke about it being sleepy, but what

731
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: are the primary what are the primary things that were like, look,

732
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: what are the primary elicit activities that happen along the

733
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: northern border? So in reality, so just a quick one

734
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: on one on on on border patrol. Border patrol is

735
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: one component within Customs and Border Protection UM, and I

736
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: want to make a clarification that there are there are

737
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: three law enforcement components within side Customs and Border Protection

738
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: or can you can you touch on Department Homeland Security

739
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: comes into this department and Homeland Security is the mother agency.

740
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: So uh CVP is basically an agency withinside the Department

741
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: of Homeland Security, which is basically the don't do all

742
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: the acronyms. Yeah yeah, So DHS or Department Homeland Security

743
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: is the cabinet level and then UM the agency level

744
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: is Customs and Border Protection. A better analogy would be

745
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: Department of Justice and FBI. So FBI is a is

746
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: an agency withinside the Department of Justice, and so that's

747
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: where CBP falls in. UM. Border patrol is a component

748
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: of CBP. There are three law enforcement entities of CBP.

749
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: Aaron Bury Aaron Brens are the folks that fly all

750
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: the helicopters and do all the deep water stuff right

751
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: out in in in the Atlantic Oceans. I've never heard

752
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: of that, well, probably because most people don't. Most people

753
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: when they think about the border patrol, they think about

754
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: the people that you encounter a crossing the border. It's

755
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: called air and marine Aaron Marine, Yeah, Aaron Breene operations,

756
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: and they are they are the component they fly all

757
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: the not coastguard. Coastguard is an entity of DHS. So

758
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: do they run like the edge of US waters and

759
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: international waters? Like is that the extent of their range

760
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: or they do along with border patrols. So the separation

761
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: of what we call deep water and brown blue water

762
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: and brown water. So me being a sailor, right, I'm

763
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: a blue water sailor. Coastguards or brown water sailers because

764
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: they hug the they never get out out of side

765
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: of the shore. So are Aeron marine folks? Those guys

766
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: go into the deep water because that they have the

767
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: bigger boats and go out and interact, uh stuff like

768
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: you'd see the Cuban refugees and things coming across in Miami.

769
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: And then our border patrol agents still operate air and

770
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: marine boats, but they operate in the coastal water raise

771
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: the Great Lakes and things like that, and they operate

772
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: within about three to five miles of the coastline. So

773
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: can Aaron Marine operate in international waters? Um? I have

774
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: to do? You remember back in your days. Uh, from

775
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: the on the on the water now, I don't think so.

776
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 1: I think they get out far enough in the water.

777
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: But in the air, Uh, they have a lot more liberty,

778
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: right for some of their operations they do, so I

779
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: would say the historically they probably stay within federal federal

780
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: waters right and if they are operating outside into into

781
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: international waters, they're probably working in with the Coastguard because

782
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: Coastguard has that ability to do that type of stuff.

783
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: So Aeron Marine they handle like I said, they're all

784
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: our pilots. There are UM and they handle all the

785
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: all the deep water blue water UM activities. UM Office

786
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: of Field Operations. Those are the blue uniforms. Those are

787
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: the folks that you're going to encounter at the port

788
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: of entry and trade and at the airport. So their

789
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: responsibility is between the confines or within the fence line

790
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: of the port of entry. That's what OLD does. So

791
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: when you guys go to Mexico or go to Canada

792
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: and come through a port of entry, you're interacting with

793
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: with officers from field operations and then the Border Patrol

794
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: is the entity. Those are green uniforms. We operate in

795
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: between the ports of entry. So all that traffic that

796
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: comes in of the legal entries is what the border

797
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: patrol is encountering and working on. Got it? Okay, that's

798
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: what you need. Okay, let's say you're crossing. I know,

799
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: we're back to I just can't. I'm going to go

800
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: to the southern border from it. You're crossing at the

801
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: Argo creator Douglas Crossing. You're when you're in that customs process,

802
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: you're not dealing with border. You're dealing with Field Office

803
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: of Field Operations customs and different different color uniform, different

804
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: components within If I go off, if I go east

805
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: or west twenty miles and try to do the same thing.

806
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: If you're hunting south in New Mexico, you find yourself

807
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: up on the line because you're tracking something and you

808
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: across the line, then you're gonna be dealing with the

809
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: border patrol because you've just made an entry at a

810
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: place in time not designated as a border ventrol. Do

811
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: you know all that, honey? I do not. It makes sense? Okay.

812
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: So that's how that's basically the one on one of

813
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: border patrol, and we operate between the ports of entries,

814
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: and somehow I've lost the question. So what um on

815
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: that on that wide open, lonely border, the northern border

816
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: between the US and Canada. What kind of dark, shady

817
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: stuff goes on up there. Uh So the difference between

818
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: the northern water and southern border on the northern border,

819
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: because obviously we're dealing with weather and uh the geography

820
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: is a little bit different along the northern border. Obviously

821
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: that not that Arizona doesn't have mountains, but the mountains

822
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: are bigger in in in Colorado and Montana or in

823
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: Montana than there are in Arizona. See, the traffic is

824
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: a little bit lower, but you deal with what we

825
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: call a little bit more exciting things. So, um, this

826
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: year recently, we had a a gentleman from from Canada

827
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: kidnaped his his living girlfriend and their two children, and

828
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: he was a sex trafficker and ended up coming south Eline.

829
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: He came through a place not designated port of entry

830
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: and we ended up with a task force. We apprehended them.

831
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why this guy went to to Sturgis,

832
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: South Dakota at the time of Sturgist when they had

833
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: every cop in the world there, but that's where he

834
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: ended up going, and through a task force, we ended

835
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: up apprehending this guy. This guy was his his girlfriend

836
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: had some mental incapassibilities. Um, but his goal was to

837
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: take the children to use for child pornography at Sturgist.

838
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: For whatever reason he went to Sturgist. I don't have

839
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: to struggle for reasons why he would have. Obviously he

840
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: had no intelligence. That's the last place I would go

841
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: during during bike because of the law enforcement coverage. But

842
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: that's a handful. Yeah. So it's those type of cases

843
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: that we run into and and uh, the other stuff

844
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: that we get right now, guns are super super popular

845
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: in Canada because of the gun laws and things in

846
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: Canada Canada. So a a weapon, a polymer eighty right,

847
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: those those glock clones that we buy here for what

848
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred bucks, there's someone for five and

849
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars a piece in Canada. So that's the

850
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: stuff moving the other That stuff moving the other day.

851
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: Is that your responsibility U pushing borders out the border troube.

852
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 1: We want to be partners with with all law enforcements

853
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,479
Speaker 1: and and our focus is on and what I would

854
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: call border security and more along homeland security and pushing

855
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: those borders out and making the entire border safe, and

856
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: we can only do that by working with our Canadian

857
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: partners and our Mexican partners. So so yeah, I never

858
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 1: thought that if you're at the border, you're also looking southward. Yeah,

859
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: so that's the concept that we are like that we're

860
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: working on in have Her. Like I had commented early,

861
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: we go all the way down to Colorado and Utah.

862
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: Our focus is on homeland security entities, right, those things

863
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: that have an impact on on the entire homeland security.

864
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: Try thinking of children trafficking and people smuggling weapons. And

865
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't need to talk about Fenton, al. All you

866
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: gotta do is turn on the news and see what's

867
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: happened in fentanyl. So, with the Border Patrol and our

868
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: law enforcement capabilities with Title eight, Title nineteen, and Title

869
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: twenty one, which is UH. Title nineteen is the Customs

870
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: and Tariffs law, Title twenty one is the Narcotics law,

871
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: and Title eight is the overall criminal statute for for

872
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: the United States, we have authorities and all three of

873
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: those titles, so that gives us the ability to interdict

874
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: all that traffic. So that's what we're trying to do

875
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: in the Border Patrol is go after those things that

876
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: are that are dangerous to the country, Like, I mean

877
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: everyone is child traffickers off off the streets, and we

878
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: want to get fountainl off the streets. And that's the

879
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 1: direction that we're trying to go with The Border troll

880
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: is not so not be so much focused on the border.

881
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: We're focused on the border, but we want to focus

882
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: on those on those things that have an impact throughout home,

883
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: homeland security or public safety. How do how do people

884
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: move how do people move guns? Ac Like, if you're

885
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: trying to move guns into Canada, how do you see

886
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: it done? Do you see it done at you see

887
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: it done at not at crossings? Oh, you actually see

888
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: a mix right. So again, the like we talked about earlier,

889
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: smugglers go through great, great stinch to try to hide

890
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: whatever product they're trying to trying to smuggle. Um, we've

891
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: seen we've seen narcotics on aptrack coming from Seattle going

892
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: to New York or to Minneapolis, and then the cash

893
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: that that's coming back. We see in most cases a

894
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is probably happening between the ports

895
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: of entries where they've go out, just like you would

896
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: hunting to go out and scouting area to see where

897
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: traffic is where they can actually get across, and they

898
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: bring across through either smuggling through a port of entry.

899
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: They use hidden compartments in vehicles, um for narcotics, to

900
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: use body carriers, a whole gamut of things that they

901
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: try to do. Do car tells ever move because it

902
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: do drug traffickers in South in Columbia wherever South and

903
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: droll America? Do they ever get stuff to Canada and

904
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: then into the US from Canada or is that just

905
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: add a lot of complexity? Um, Well, again, I think,

906
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: like I said, it's this new paradigm, right, we're seeing

907
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: We're seeing smugglers go through different stents to try to

908
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: to try to make money. Right. I mean when we

909
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: talk about when we talk about people trying to come

910
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: to the United States, there's always somebody out there that's

911
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: gonna prey on that person. Right, They're gonna they're gonna

912
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna drive him into his slavery. So they're gonna say,

913
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: i'll smuggle you. It's gonna be twenty dollars per person.

914
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: So this person brings him in there his five family members,

915
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: so now he's he's in destitute to the smugglers. So

916
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that money, so they put him to

917
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 1: work to work for them, and and so they're working

918
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: for him, but they're also having to pay the smugglers rent,

919
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: They have to pay the smugglers the electricity and all

920
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: that stuff. So all the money that they make to

921
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: try to pay back being smuggling, they never touch because

922
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: they're they're hitting him on all these other factions of absolutely,

923
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: so they're they're they're just destitute to do in that.

924
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: So that's the type of stuff that they do. I

925
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: think that um Nar cartels are gonna do whatever they

926
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: can to make money, and if there's a way to

927
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: make money to take a product to Canada and come south,

928
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: they will. Um In fact, they think that I wouldn't

929
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: be surprised to see it with with Mexican nationals. I mean,

930
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: Canada has a very liberal visa waiver pro program. So

931
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: the visa waivers, the countries on on on the visa

932
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: waiver list for Canada are like three hundred or four

933
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: countries are on there. All you have to do is

934
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: be from that country. You come into Canada and you're

935
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: given automatic status in Canada as a non immigrant, and

936
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: they give them money to live and survive for approximately

937
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: twelve months, So I wouldn't good first step. Good first

938
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: step is to make it into Canada and then utilize

939
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: those social work programs and then when that's done, then

940
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: you can come south. Or if you can get Canadian citizenship,

941
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: then it's a free broke right because we it's open

942
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: borders for just as its open borders for us to

943
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: go to Canada, it's open borders for Canadian citizens to

944
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: come south. Canadian citizens, whether they're naturalized or born Canadians

945
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: as they can come back and forth. So because that

946
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: entities out there, the things that we look at is

947
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: there's a possibility for somebody to come up, utilize the

948
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: programs and then be smuggled back down south. A lot

949
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: of the nine eleven hijackers flowed through Canada, all four

950
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: of them. It was a whole lot more than four.

951
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: All four crews, the four, the four on the planes

952
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: all came through. Oh actually came through Swanton, Vermont and

953
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: h who. Just the other day, I had a conversation

954
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: with someone where they're telling me that they had gone

955
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: black bear hunting in Canada. Okay, like many people do.

956
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: There's places around like bear bait factories, in Canada and

957
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: so many you know guys got to hunt bears in Canada.

958
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: And he was telling me, and it's the thing I

959
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: hear all the time. He was telling me that they

960
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: told him you can't bring the meat home. No, that's

961
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: that's not true. I know. There's so much confusion about

962
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: if you ask ten guys, you're gonna get ten different

963
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: answers about how it works with it. You can't bring

964
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: your gun, you can't bring meat. You can't drive from Alaska,

965
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: even though I know you can. You can't like take

966
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: Alaska meat from Alaska into the Lower forty eight because

967
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: of the who's um, who's bidding, like, who's setting those rules?

968
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: So those rules are those are the the AGG specialists

969
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: that actually worked for OFOS off Office of Bild Operations.

970
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: The guys at the port of entry. So if you

971
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: come into a port of entry and you see somebody

972
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: at at the at the primary and they're wearing a weapon,

973
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: that's a that's an officer. They also have folks that

974
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: aren't on their non law enforcement types and their AGG specialists,

975
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: they're the ones that set those responsibilities. So moose is

976
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: a perfect example. You can go up and hunt moose

977
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: in Canada. The only thing you can't bring south is

978
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: any of the contents of the head because of the

979
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: cw D. Yeah, so so with let's tell me it

980
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: can come across without a problem. So tell me what

981
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: someone would need to do. Uh, you go bear hunting

982
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: in Canada, UM, and you want to drive up with

983
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: a gun, and you want to come back with the

984
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: bear meat and the bear hide and everything. So if

985
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: you follow the proper stuff, there's no reason you can't

986
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: do that. And and and and I just did it

987
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: in my personal capacity to I went up to I

988
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: went up to New Brunswick, shot of black bear and

989
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: just did just as past September and went through that

990
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: entire process. UH. Can't bring can't bring the baculum back. UM,

991
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: can't bring ball bladder. UM. And and quite quite frankly,

992
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: it's the it's the UH. I don't know they're what

993
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: their official name is, but it's basically their version of

994
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: us fashion wildlife, the Canadian Fishing wildlife for lack of

995
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: a better term. They're the ones that actually did the

996
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: rigors inspection on the way out of the country on

997
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: their side, UM, to make sure you weren't bringing down

998
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: stuff that has a black market and and extreme you

999
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: fill out of survey, they do a deep dive into

1000
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: what outfitter you're used. They we were talking about investigative techniques.

1001
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: They investigated. They separated me and my best friend who

1002
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: was the driver, talked as just to see if we're

1003
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: telling the same story, but asking us about what altfreder

1004
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: we used. Uh, did the outfit ter got the animal

1005
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: in the field? Did the outfitter himself take anything back

1006
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: from the gut pile when he came back to camp?

1007
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: How many days we were there? Um? Huh. So that

1008
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 1: like that's and because they're trying because of the black

1009
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: market trade for all of the animal parts specific to

1010
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: UH controlled species in Canada, they want to make sure

1011
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: that those things aren't being transported illegally throughout their country

1012
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: or back into the United States. UM. As far as

1013
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: the process of just going over and coming back, it

1014
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: was at this time around, you know, you know, we

1015
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: were kind of nervous because of all the things post COVID,

1016
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: with the Canadian restrictions on ongoing there. There's a new

1017
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: app you gotta fill out to arrive can and whatnot.

1018
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: We thought it was gonna be pretty difficult, and it

1019
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: was actually really really seamless. Um, all things considered. Uh,

1020
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: the bringing in a gun you can bring up to believe,

1021
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: up to three guns per person. Um. It's a simple

1022
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: form they where you just identify what guns you're bringing up,

1023
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: serial numbers, and I believe you pay a permit fee

1024
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: and you just have to keep it on your person

1025
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: the entire time you're hunting and on the way back. Um,

1026
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: it's it's just an inspection by Canada on the way out,

1027
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: by their by their Efficient Game Agency to make sure

1028
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: of all those things we just talked about. But taking

1029
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: the meatback taking I had already I cleaned my skull

1030
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 1: and we boiled our skulls in Canada. So I don't

1031
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: know the restrictions on brain matter for bear, because I

1032
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: don't know if if their brain matter is a disease

1033
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: carrying but not that I know of. It might be

1034
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: that they don't. It might be that they don't. They

1035
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: create a whole bunch off. You're my experience, and what

1036
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: I kind of sense from them is if you're bringing

1037
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: like the entire the entire animal back absent into kernels,

1038
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot less of an issue, whereas if you

1039
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: just like if you try to do things like pull

1040
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: the clause and just bring the clause back. They ding

1041
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: you on that. God, But if you're bringing back the

1042
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: entire the entire hide with the skull inside the hide

1043
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: and the claws still on everything, no issue. So long

1044
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: as you're not bringing back the restricted items like baculum

1045
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: and gall bladder. I didn't know there was a black

1046
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: market on vaculum. Did you know that? Prior to going

1047
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: you only knew about gall bladder. Yeah. You mentioned the

1048
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Service. Do you guys work with

1049
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: them a lot for like illegal trafficking endangered species that

1050
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: like is that a big partnership. Yeah, that's that's one

1051
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: of the things that that that we do work with

1052
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: them on, um, you know, not so much on their

1053
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: investigative per the whole investigation side of it, but like

1054
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: some sometimes it's initiation of because of a lot of

1055
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: the training that that we do that that cross agency

1056
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: training and inter agency training. Like when there are um,

1057
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, like certain times of the year when um,

1058
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of herpetology. Uh what's I can't remember

1059
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: what the we call like her thieves or poachers. Um,

1060
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: so they'll come out and like the fish and Wildlife

1061
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: Service will let us know, Hey, you know, it's springtime,

1062
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a lot of her poachers out and

1063
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll get together with them and we'll create

1064
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: like little campaigns within um, you know, within the patrol,

1065
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: within the sectors and stations, to like create little um

1066
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: kind of like posters and emailings out there. We'll talk

1067
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: about it our musters and say, hey, guys, you know,

1068
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife. You know they're they're going to be

1069
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: out there, but these are some of the things to

1070
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: look out for. And if you happen to see that,

1071
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: you know from you know, while you're out there patrolling,

1072
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: here's the contact information. So they're interested in people smuggling

1073
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: across the border, not not even they're just interested in

1074
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: people out in the landscape stealing snakes and lizards. And yeah,

1075
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I was asking more like, when

1076
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: you see a new article like man gets busted with

1077
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: forty seven whatever dangered endangered species in his suitcase or whatever, like,

1078
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: is that, like do you work with the US Fish

1079
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service on those kinds of things. So when

1080
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: it's something like that where it's like you said, you know,

1081
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: busted in a suitcase with you know, twenty five you know,

1082
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: endangered bats or sparrows or something. A lot of time.

1083
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: That's what like what Chief Fortunato was talking about, UM

1084
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: is when it's an agg specialist that's probably caught that

1085
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: at a port of entry, Like they were going through

1086
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: the port of entry and they were inspecting the contents

1087
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: of the bag and then they found that, you know,

1088
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: on the bag or on their person and stuff like that. UM.

1089
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: But again with border patrol, we're working in between the

1090
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: ports of entry. So like we'll do stuff with like

1091
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: the Land Management l e O for you know, the

1092
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: Wildlife Refuge or the park um you know, or even

1093
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: you know one of their biologists specialists and let us

1094
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: know about something. And I actually think it depends on

1095
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: the area too. So if you get down too, uh

1096
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: the real Grand Valley, there's there's Santana Refuge which is

1097
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: right on the Rio Grand River, which is a very

1098
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: big populated location for smuggling back and forth across. And

1099
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have ever been down south,

1100
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: but in a very heavily trafficked area that the landing

1101
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: on the on the river side is is destroyed plastic bags,

1102
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: water bottles, these makeshift floatation devices and things like that,

1103
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: and that Santa Ana Refugees is known for a spot

1104
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: for them to come across in that area, and it

1105
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: just riddles the entire public land where people in Santa

1106
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: refuge is a hiking area and things like that where

1107
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: they have to go down and and see all that

1108
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: type of stuff. So when the when somebody comes across there,

1109
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: it's often a fishing wildlife person that might encounter them first,

1110
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: that would come up and we would encounter them and

1111
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: and and work that direction. So I think a lot

1112
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: depends on on on the area that is in proximity

1113
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: to the border and and things that go along Lada.

1114
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: I know also in in Rio Grand Valley with the

1115
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: with the river, fishing wildlife is on the river, so

1116
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times where the they'll jump on

1117
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: a boat with borbatrol and then patrol, which then takes

1118
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: the scope of the scope and authority a little bit bigger.

1119
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: So now you just don't have the scope of authority

1120
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: of the BORBA relib of the scope authority of the

1121
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: fish and Wildlife officers, so that you can do more things.

1122
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: The same thing with Coastguard when we put a Coastguard

1123
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: person on our boat. We now have all the authorities

1124
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,959
Speaker 1: of Coastguard, so we can do checks and things like that.

1125
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: I gotta here's nother question about the Northern border. What

1126
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: is if you imagine the most out of the most

1127
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: remote areas of the northern border, like say the Boundary

1128
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: waters or okay, I worked there for eleven years, how

1129
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: do you know? Do you know when you've crossed the border? So?

1130
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: So in reality? Right? So? Yes? And no, right, because

1131
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: we've GPS s and things like that. Um, Like in

1132
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: the boundary waters, right, it's a pristine there's no mechanized

1133
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: there's no but there's no there's no there's no cut line,

1134
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: there is no cut line. Right. So, and the thought

1135
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: process this comes on. And the same thing with the

1136
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: Rio Grand River when you're when you're working at our

1137
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: concept is you can't take water and split it in

1138
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: half and say this belongs to the United States and

1139
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: this belongs to Mexico, or this belongs to Canada, and

1140
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: this belongs to the United to the United States. They

1141
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: do it all the time, well, they try to. But

1142
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: the reality is, as long as and this is our

1143
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: thought process, as long as you don't make a meaningful entry.

1144
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: And a meaningful entry on water would be to stop

1145
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: and drop acre or drop a fishing line or something

1146
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: like that, and you're just cascading through. If you're on

1147
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: a canoe, and a canoe you're canoeing. As long as

1148
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: you don't make a meaningful entry stop and do something,

1149
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: then you just keep on going. That doesn't really matter.

1150
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: It's when you actually stop and drop a fishing line

1151
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: or stop me in Canada that means you're now and

1152
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: he made a meaningful entry. Really ye, So if I

1153
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: do just nudge my foot across the border, I've broken

1154
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: the law. Do you make a meaningful entry? So in Rey,

1155
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: in reality and and and James, you worked in in

1156
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: del Rio is probably the same way. We actually didn't

1157
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: consider folks coming across the river when I worked in

1158
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: mccallen's Exs. We didn't think. We didn't consider them making

1159
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: an entry till they made landfall. If they were standing

1160
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: on the U S side and still ankle deep in water,

1161
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 1: we didn't touch them because they haven't made a meanful entry.

1162
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: But the moment they come on land, they've made a

1163
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: meaningful entry. Now I'm not saying that people probably weren't grabbed,

1164
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: because that probably did happen. But the reality is, in

1165
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: most cases you could step and say until they actually

1166
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: leave the crest of the water, they haven't made a

1167
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: meaningful entry. So if you if you stepped out to

1168
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, then you made a meaning canoe

1169
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: and bound. Yeah, you they would say that you made

1170
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: a meaningful entry. Let's move whatever. Before we hear this

1171
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: threat in Montana of wild pigs coming down from Canada.

1172
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: Wild pigs supposedly feral pigs. Supposedly Saskatchewan has like a

1173
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: little population of wild hall game farm Yeah, like capes,

1174
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: maybe even in the rags. There's always like a little

1175
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: blip in there about like if you see, you know,

1176
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: feral pigs when you're hunting up you know in that

1177
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: have her area, you know, on the high line or

1178
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: whatever along the Canadian border, to immediately notify you know,

1179
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: the local warden. But no, no, no thoughts or I

1180
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: guess there's there must not be that big of a

1181
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: problem if you guys are no, no, no, no, it

1182
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of fun um. I would relate

1183
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,520
Speaker 1: it to I don't know. I think that the similarities

1184
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: would be a livestock on the on the Mexican side.

1185
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: So we have we have tick riders down in in

1186
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: Texas and there's a lot of feral pigs, horses, and

1187
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: cattle that come across the river, and that would be

1188
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: tick riders that would go out and interdict that traffic

1189
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: because of the ticks and things down the tick riders

1190
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: do you remember, I think there are an interior, their

1191
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: deprimate interior. No, what's the US the international? Do they

1192
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: work boundary commis and all are I thought they were

1193
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: at agriculture there, Yeah, it's I don't think it's UM.

1194
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: I think they work for UM boundary water yea. So

1195
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: they are there. They're law enforcement official. Their sold job.

1196
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: They ride horses. They go out and they look for

1197
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: livestock or traffic or animal traffic that has come from

1198
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: Mexico to the United States to apprehend them, to take

1199
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: them and dip them because of the ticks in in Mexico.

1200
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: Just livestock. I haven't heard anything of live colleagues are

1201
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: real stickers about when you when someone wants to bring

1202
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: a deer cape deer in Mexico and you're looking at

1203
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: the US border. Okay, so you imagine a tick like

1204
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: an ambitious tick would just but but you want it,

1205
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: you're looking. You can kill a deer inside of the

1206
01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: US border, and when you go through customs, you can't

1207
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: have a single tick on that cape. That's part of that.

1208
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: That's why we would not you know, I get it,

1209
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: like you don't know where it came from. Whatever. You

1210
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: gotta do your job. But I would laugh about, well,

1211
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: how many ticks right now are crossing that border on coyotes,

1212
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean the animal on whatever the hell? Yeah, mule deer,

1213
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: cuse deer like ticks are back and forth. I had

1214
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: no idea that there's someone out actually, yeah, cruising for

1215
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: cruising for livestock to just because of the ticks? Do

1216
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: they got a bad just as ticks? They are They

1217
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 1: are a law enforcenate. I think the job I actually

1218
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: take their Department of Agriculture and and I'm not sure

1219
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: exactly what they work for, but they are. They are

1220
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer, federal officer that works, and that's

1221
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: their soul jobs. And it's mainly horses and cattle and

1222
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: and hugs. So yeah, wildlife to wildlife, wild just comes

1223
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: and goes. But if there's a if there's a Mexican

1224
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: cow that comes across and gets through the double tick

1225
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: fence and onto you know, some ranches they have to

1226
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: particularly in Texas is where I know it is, they

1227
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: have they have one basically barbed wire fence right on

1228
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: the water and then another one like like ten yards

1229
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: off of that, and it's to try if anything gets

1230
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: past the first one, a lease is contained in that

1231
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: one little barrier close to the rapairian zone right there. Um.

1232
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 1: But then if it gets through that second one, so

1233
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: they try and contain them in that little that little

1234
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: corridor right there, so they don't make you know, in

1235
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: further into whatever property they're on and they start mixing

1236
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: with if the if whatever they're carrying gets with the

1237
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: cattle that these ranchers are are running, it becomes a

1238
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: bad day. And we we've had situations where like a

1239
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: smuggler's horse gets through and then we have the season

1240
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: and it's it's a ton of paperwork when you're dealing

1241
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: with a with a with a horse from Mexico. It's

1242
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: absolutely What's even worse, is it if because you don't

1243
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: know where they came across. So if you're out patrolling

1244
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: you see this horse or something come on the drag road.

1245
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 1: You don't know where it came from. They know what's

1246
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: not supposed to be there. You call a tick rider,

1247
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: and if it happens to be just the local farmer

1248
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: whose horse got out, oh yeah, they get a little

1249
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: fired up. Man. I wish you guys had brought up

1250
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: this tick riding because I wish I knew that. I

1251
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: wish I was the only guy that knew, the only

1252
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: media person that knew about tick riders. To answer your question,

1253
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything about Farrell Hawgs coming south from

1254
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: from Canada. Oh yeah, I forgot about. So we're on

1255
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: the lookout. If you look at where I used to

1256
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,520
Speaker 1: think that hogs would buy sort of like by definition

1257
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: have to be would be confined to the American South. Um,

1258
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: but that's not true now. If you look at like

1259
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: maps of where where hoggs could feasibly you know, without

1260
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: any sort of human persecution, where hoggs con feasibly live,

1261
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:51,919
Speaker 1: it's the Lord. Did you guys just do a question ridiculous?

1262
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: Number four states have confirmed that's absolutely incredible, and there's

1263
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: no reason that they. I mean, I guess you could

1264
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: in the northern Great Plains, you could feasibly have like

1265
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: the the landscape would support them. Probably, I would, because

1266
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: you need to be like, well, I thought it'd be

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01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: too cold, but then you think about where they're at

1268
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: in Siberia. Well, Yannis is up in Latvia. How high

1269
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: is Latvia. It's not that it's like the same latitude

1270
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: as Juno, but it's got pigs. Yeah, oh yeah, that

1271
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: sounds pretty cold. It's got native well I guess, yeah.

1272
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: And the because I think of Juno is within the

1273
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: context of Alaska, and like the southeast of Alaska is

1274
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: just not nowhere near the extreme temps Buttarctic circle. Yeah,

1275
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: latitude wise, no, they got they could have a trement,

1276
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: they could, they could be there. I think it just

1277
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: be easier to obviously, eradicating hogs on the northern plains

1278
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: would be like a much easier job than out of

1279
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: heavily Georgia than out of swampy jungly show. I mean,

1280
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: even though even though it's mostly private land, Texas is

1281
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 1: pretty open and uh yeah they so, oh yeah, I'm

1282
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: real skeptical. We covered this recently. We had a guy

1283
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: we just did an episode in Hawaii and we're on

1284
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: a coffee plantation and you know, all the pigs, you know,

1285
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: they don't. All the pigs cause so much damage. And

1286
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: I asked my body who loves to hunt them? I said,

1287
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: do you really want them gone? No? Exactly yea. In

1288
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: my personal opinion, I'd say, uh, you mon kind of boys,

1289
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: better start shooting them pigs before they post rigs. Uh.

1290
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: I was saying, if you really hated the pigs. I

1291
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: was telling my friend Danny, who's been on the podcast

1292
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: for I said, if you really hated pigs, you put

1293
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: up a big sign that said please come hunt my land.

1294
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: I said, your pigs be gone. He said, but can

1295
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: you imagine what kinds of people would show up in

1296
01:14:49,840 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: my Buddy Callahan said, barbecuers. All right, let's talk about

1297
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: the Southern Boarder. We kind we're already kind of talking

1298
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: about the Southern Boarder with the tick riders. How many

1299
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: tick riders are there? I think they're mainly based in Texas. Handful,

1300
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a big agency. This article. I

1301
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 1: was just reading, Uh, they are under the U. S

1302
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: d A. There was eighty six of them sick riders.

1303
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: Not very big, I feel that, but I don't know

1304
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: bad Larry McMurtry's that's still not around it right, like

1305
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: a thousand page novel. Titilated to the extreme. Oh, you

1306
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: know the double you're talking about, the double fence. I

1307
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: was on a friends ranch not long ago and one

1308
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: of his line fences was a double fence yep. And

1309
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: I asked him why he has why one of the

1310
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 1: line fences a double fence. And I thought that it

1311
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: must have been some dispute, you know whatever, Like we

1312
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: would go through the trouble putting fences like five ft apart,

1313
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: six ft apart. So I said, what's going on with that?

1314
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: And it's to keep um, it's from keeping the cattle

1315
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: from stopping through the fence. Look at that stopping with

1316
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: the neighbors cattle, keeping breeding populations away from one another,

1317
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: they'll stoop through the fence. Wow, surprised me. Nature is

1318
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: always going to happen, right, Uh, how long have you

1319
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: guys been? How different is working on the southern border

1320
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: now than it was you know ten years ago, twenty

1321
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: years ago, thirty years ago. It's not even the same

1322
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: now as it was three years ago, right, I mean,

1323
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's just what they're dealing with in in

1324
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: sheer numbers is the human numbers, human numbers. Yeah, they're

1325
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 1: just the numbers that they're dealing with. Give me a ballpark,

1326
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: like how many people are on a daily basis, how

1327
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 1: many people are in some way or another flirting with

1328
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: the border? Um? Yeah, and I remember the numbers from

1329
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: last year. I think James is looking. I think we

1330
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 1: were for one point border patrol encounters. Fiscal year twenty

1331
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: two is two million, two thousand, six hundred and fifty two,

1332
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: and then I think was one point five one point

1333
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: six point six. Yeah, so in just one year, you know,

1334
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: half a million people. If you had so many border

1335
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: patrol agents that you guys can stand along the border

1336
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder, would that completely stop illegal movement across

1337
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: the border. And so this is gonna be my opinion.

1338
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: All right, So probably you're shaking your head. No, no,

1339
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: I I if there's money to be made, a smuggler

1340
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: is going to do something. He's gonna try to smuggle something.

1341
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: So that I don't think that we will ever stop

1342
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: of traffic coming back and forth across the borders. It's

1343
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: just not feasible. You got something you well, that's I mean,

1344
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: you could put you could put peoples shoulders the shoulder

1345
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go to the air or they're gonna

1346
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: go more to they're going to go to concealment rate

1347
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, through the through the ports of entry. UM.

1348
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: And so it's you know, how how far are we

1349
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: going to dig into you know, inspections more so than

1350
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: we already do at the international borders, you know, try

1351
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: and facilitate legitimate trade and travel UM takes a you

1352
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: know a unique balance of of enforcement and UM and

1353
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: throughput in order to maintain our economy. UM. So you

1354
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: know what is the answer, I don't know, UM, but

1355
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: putting forth the best the best known practices of of

1356
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: of intelligence, surveillance capabilities UM in order to get you

1357
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: know that that traffic through at the ports of entry,

1358
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: but also block off what's in between the ports the

1359
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: ports of venture like we do is it's it's a

1360
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: delicate dance. So everything we do, right, I mean, their

1361
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: counterintelligence smugglers, counter counter of tongues just as good as ours.

1362
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna see how we're reacting to certain traffick in

1363
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: an area, and they're gonna change their tactics and it's

1364
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: up to us to figure out how they've changed their

1365
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: tactics and react to it. So, like you said, we

1366
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: can put you know, shoulder to shoulder and they're either

1367
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna fly over because if there's money to be made,

1368
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna do it, or they're gonna tunnel.

1369
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,440
Speaker 1: You guys have probably we've had a rash of tunnels

1370
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,440
Speaker 1: along the southwest border. They'll dig a tunnel and come underneath,

1371
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: or um they'll they'll expand on their on their their

1372
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: concealment methods, like the tractor trailer down on Larrado. They'll

1373
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: do different things to try to get them across. If

1374
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: there's money to be made, smuggles are gonna are gonna

1375
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: smuggle it. Is there a part of the agency or

1376
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: a different agency that you guys work with that looks

1377
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 1: at it on a bigger scale, like a social scale,

1378
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: like what could we do so that there wouldn't be

1379
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: this money to be made or wouldn't be this demand

1380
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: for these things that cause these issues? Or is there

1381
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: somebody working on it from that angle that questions that

1382
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: endle will be a consequence, right, So actions have consequences, right,

1383
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: and if it's a negative consequence, you probably he won't

1384
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: do that action again. So the the best method of

1385
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 1: stopping somebody from doing something is having negative consequence on

1386
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: their action, right, um. And and that's the delicate dance.

1387
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: Right to operate within as a chief patrol age. And

1388
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm given I'm given the left and right boundaries from

1389
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: the administration, and it's up to me to figure out

1390
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: how to get from A to B within those left

1391
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: and right boundaries to deliver that consequence. I think, well, yeah,

1392
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: what yeah, An, what you're I think what you're more

1393
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: referring to, UM, I would say it does happen if

1394
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: you look at the way that the federal government might

1395
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: try to go down and engage with governments in Venezuela,

1396
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: governments in Columbia about how to improve conditions adjustments that

1397
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: they might make where they're not creating an inhospitable environment

1398
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 1: for people that then we have to deal with at

1399
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: our borders. So like, take some of that money and

1400
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: try to go to the root, cause that's going to

1401
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: be more Department of State type activities in order to

1402
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: eliminate push factors from these from these countries. And we

1403
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,959
Speaker 1: have our International Affairs UH division over in in operational services,

1404
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: another component within customs and Border protection where they work

1405
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: with our foreign partners and try to figure out ways

1406
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 1: to deliver consequences and and and also to to get

1407
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 1: other countries to step up and and assist us in

1408
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: these in these actions. How how is your working working

1409
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: relationship with like Mexican government and authorities? Like is it

1410
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: something you guys work with? It's like, are they helping

1411
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: you prevent people from crossing the border? Is that not? Well?

1412
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: So we work both with with with Canadian and and

1413
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: yeah and South So I think really the relationship is

1414
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: pretty good. But the other thing is too. You have

1415
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: to remember now we're getting into the politics, right, The

1416
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: politics of of Mexico and the politics the United States

1417
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: are two very very different things. So it's and and

1418
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: those agencies that we work with down there, whether it's

1419
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 1: Sadeta or any of those other countries, are those UH

1420
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: agencies within the Mexican government. They have the same left

1421
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: and right boundaries that we do. So there between between

1422
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: the two of us were trying to find the best

1423
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:16,440
Speaker 1: way to deliver a consequence or help um UH in

1424
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: impede UH traffic coming through right because obviously I think

1425
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: that the country of Mexico wants to do what they

1426
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: can because the impact from South American people coming through

1427
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: Mexico has the same impact on the citizens of Mexico

1428
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: that it does on the citizens in United States. So

1429
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: they have a vested um benefit in trying to work

1430
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: with us. So it's not like you guys would get

1431
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: a call and be like, hey, well we have we

1432
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: have a group coming, we have folks in heeded, we

1433
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: have folks embedded in in in countries through the International

1434
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: Affairs Program, so that that then intelligent to sell shared

1435
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: back and forth. I was hunting to Havelina in Arizona,

1436
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 1: UM last February for a couple of days, just messing

1437
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 1: around a couple of friends of mine, and we had

1438
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:05,759
Speaker 1: found a big They were showing me just a big trail,

1439
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: like kind of an unexpected location. It's like a big

1440
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: crossing trail, and there were areas that had We went

1441
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: to this one area they showed me where it had

1442
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: stashes that had been depleted, clothing stashes and water stashes

1443
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: and people would change clothes and an empty water jugs

1444
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh yeah, they'll have people come ahead

1445
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: and scout and set all that stuff. Then the people

1446
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: come over and they know where it's at. It was.

1447
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: I took a T shirt that I found, brought it home,

1448
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: gave it to my kid and said, that's a drug

1449
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: runner's T shirt. He got all excited about it. My

1450
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: wife then took it away from him because she's like,

1451
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to school, he's gonna tell everybody to

1452
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: drug Like, what do you you know? She's like, why

1453
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 1: do you have to tell him that it's in my

1454
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 1: rag bin in my garage now? But she's like, you

1455
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: can't give him like half a story like that and

1456
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 1: then expect him to probably probably the best place for

1457
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: her to know what to say, you know, this is

1458
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: a drugging shirt. The question I wanted to ask about

1459
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: it is, so we're in the same place for a

1460
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: couple of days, creeping all around the woods, and um,

1461
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 1: no one talks to us, like, no one comes and

1462
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: checks on us and my buddies like they know what

1463
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: you're doing. They border patrol. So again, I I'm just

1464
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: gonna speak for myself and and that I think I

1465
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: can tell the difference between somebody laying in and hunting

1466
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: and somebody laying in and do something else. Right, Um,

1467
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: just like just like if I'm working at a port

1468
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: of entry, and James is coming back and he's got

1469
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: a weapon, and I said, well, why do you have

1470
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 1: a weapon while I went hunting? And I'm gonna go

1471
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: through his car and I'm gonna see that. Oh wait,

1472
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: he's got some meat. He's also got this guy's been hunting.

1473
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 1: There's some validity to that story compared to somebody coming

1474
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, I went bear hunting in Canada and

1475
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: all they have is a bunch of rifles and they

1476
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't look like they've been hunting at all. So I

1477
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: think in most cases, most portant, most ports religions have

1478
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of their of the area that

1479
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: they're working in, and and they also have a pretty

1480
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: good idea of what areas are are high trafficked in

1481
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: hunters and and then are high traffic and other things.

1482
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: Not only that, um, you know, hunters, Borber religions are

1483
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: very pretty good at sign cutting. All of us are are.

1484
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: It's just that's the one thing they say about a

1485
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: border tril agent is if you need somebody to help track,

1486
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: call a Borber trilogy because they're good trackers, and you

1487
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: alien smugglers or or narcotic smugglers, they go to great

1488
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: lengths to try to brush outside where hunters don't necessarily

1489
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: worry about that, right because the sign you're following is

1490
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: obviously something else. They'll they'll brush, absolutely, they'll brush out

1491
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: the tracks that well. They will wear carpet on their

1492
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: shoes to try to hide their tracks. They'll they'll walk

1493
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: backwards to make it look like they're going the other direction.

1494
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: They carry a leaf blower, carry leaf blowers, any any

1495
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: number of things. I've even seen them take coves from

1496
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: from cattle and strap them to their feet to make

1497
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: it look like cattle traffic and not human traffic. Yeah,

1498
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: you know the weed warden we had talked about that

1499
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: area where they had an illegal grow and you just

1500
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: thought it was all cattle making little shoes, making little

1501
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 1: shoes like that and they're strapping them to their feet. Oh. So,

1502
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: we have a podcast on our network that's by a

1503
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: guy named Clay Newcome called the Bear Grease Podcast. He

1504
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: had a guy on there telling a story recently where

1505
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: he had killed buck and cut the tarso glands off

1506
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: it and tied the car tarsal glands to his shoes

1507
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: and he bout got attacked by a buck. Believe it.

1508
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: He said this buck. He could hear. He kept hearing

1509
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: something behind him, and this buck was coming snorting at him.

1510
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 1: He killed it, but he said he doesn't do that anymore. Not,

1511
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: no I did. He said it scared him bad when

1512
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: he turned around there, it was coming for him. You know. Uh,

1513
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: let's talk about those big ass blimps. Oh, aerostats. Yeah,

1514
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: Now here's where you can't. Here's where you're not gonna

1515
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: be able to tell me anything. What's up with those

1516
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: big gas blimps? Okay, weather balloons. No, we make a

1517
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: real habit of staring at those blimps when we're hunting

1518
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: down there, and we're like that dude he could tell

1519
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: when you're picking his nose and when you're picking your nose.

1520
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, and I haven't seen the

1521
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: So the aerostats are just let you guys know, in

1522
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: the south west part, they have a great deal of

1523
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: technology between the cameras and the lights and all that

1524
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: stuff that's gone out there. You guys have probably been

1525
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: down the You've probably seen the scope trucks or the

1526
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: or the trailers that are those kind of things are

1527
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: always up on the good glass. Yeah, they're causing problems, right,

1528
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: So they're actually gone up and leaned against those the

1529
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: fences around that stuff glass and yeah, so the aerostat

1530
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: is just another instead of having a helo or a

1531
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: plane flying, we can put up an arrow stat and

1532
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: use the erostat like a camera to look at an

1533
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: area to see where traffic is coming or traffic is

1534
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: coming across. Has a way to identify what the traffic

1535
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: is and then give us an idea of how to

1536
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: interdict it. So one one question that I had for

1537
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: James when we first spoke was all of the hardware

1538
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,759
Speaker 1: and video cameras and such along the border. That's picking

1539
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 1: up everything that the camera I will pick up. But

1540
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: how is that being used to in your uh feel Charles,

1541
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: like looking at animals crossing you know how that's monitoring

1542
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: wildlife as well. Yeah, that's a that's a great question,

1543
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: really like cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. Actually it is

1544
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: exactly like that. We've we have actually had, um, there

1545
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 1: have been a few cases in the past where we've

1546
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: where we have you know, seen big cats um from

1547
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: those things, not not from the aerostat um, but from yeah,

1548
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: through some of our other technology. Yeah, we get some

1549
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: pretty over the years, um that that I've been lucky

1550
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: enough to to be in this position. I've been privy

1551
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: and able to share it with with our land management

1552
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: partners on some pretty unique situations have happened with wildlife

1553
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: and the border. Oh yeah, I posted I post a

1554
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: picture every month on on the Instagram page for the

1555
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: have Her Sector Chiefs of stuff that we've seen mountain

1556
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: lions and things like that on some of our game camera.

1557
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: So you've picked up uh, you guys have picked up jaguars.

1558
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: We well, I mean we haven't, but yeah, we've had

1559
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: pictures on like on some of our surveillance where we've

1560
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: had jaguars. And do you notify wildlife folks about that? Yeah?

1561
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: And well, you know we have to go through there

1562
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: there are some you know, security things that we have

1563
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: to go through internally. Um, but we do you know,

1564
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: relay that information out to Fish and Wildlife Service for

1565
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: their and for you know, so they can keep track also. Um.

1566
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 1: And then you know, occasionally we have some fun stuff

1567
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: that happens, like there was um, I think it was

1568
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of year is back, we had a

1569
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: bear that climbed the border wall and then would climb

1570
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: climb one of the light towers. Um that's along the

1571
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: borderer or tried to climb the light tower anyways. Um.

1572
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: And then we had um uh a mountain lion that

1573
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 1: actually got on top of the border wall and was

1574
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: like walking across the top of the border wall. Oh yeah,

1575
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: what did he end up doing? I end up going south? Yeah,

1576
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: he came. He came from the north, speaking of like

1577
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: what you're going across the north to the south. He

1578
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: went north to the south south, Yeah, and right over

1579
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: the right over the fence group. Like, I feel like

1580
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: there's just gotta be so much visual information of like

1581
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: interesting critter stories that all of that. I mean, I

1582
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 1: imagine there's a ship ton of cameras, so just everything

1583
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: that you pick up. Yeah, I mean we pick up, Yeah,

1584
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: we pick up a lot of stuff. And it's just

1585
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: the more interesting stuff that you know, and and and

1586
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,919
Speaker 1: more unique stuff that will that will share because otherwise,

1587
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 1: like we would inundate fishing Wildlife Service service with like hey,

1588
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: here's a here's another picture of a bear on this trail,

1589
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, and and follow the bear through the trail

1590
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: that um, you know that they're going on or you

1591
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: know whatever, you know, whatever significant wildlife So it's just

1592
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: like the more interesting things like our guys know, like

1593
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 1: if they see a big cat you know, um, you

1594
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: know jaguar specifically, um or you know, a mountain lion

1595
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: in in something a unique case that that gets relate

1596
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: to me, so then we can relay it to our

1597
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: land management partners. Yeah. Let's say an agent has a

1598
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 1: buddy who's a hunter, great bund and he sees like

1599
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: a a camera. Is there anything wrong with him being like, hey,

1600
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: you know down kind of in that little zone of

1601
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: this creek there. I can tell you they're tight lip

1602
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: because me and Eddie when we were hunting Haviline and

1603
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: we tried to hit up some Border patrol dudes and

1604
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: they were like, you like, no intel, these guys don't

1605
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Well here's the thing that hunter

1606
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: that's exactly like one of the things that you don't

1607
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: know where any but one of the things that I

1608
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, um, you know don't maybe

1609
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to say they don't realize,

1610
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 1: but but sometimes you've got to remember is like our

1611
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 1: job as a border patrol agent is a pretty I'm

1612
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 1: gonna say it, sorry, Chief, I'm gonna say this, it's crazy.

1613
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 1: You're given okay, you're you're hired and you're given you're

1614
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 1: given training, how to sign cut, how to do this

1615
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: job out and you know, in God's country right, all

1616
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: across the southern, southern and northern border. Right, you're sometimes

1617
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: you're alone, sometimes you're you have you know, you have

1618
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: a partner to to work with you out there, and

1619
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: you come back and you do it again every day. Right.

1620
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: You gotta be a little crazy to do that kind

1621
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: of job, you know. And at the same time, you

1622
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: also have to be an avid outdoorsman or outdoors woman.

1623
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: You have to love the environment, have some kind of

1624
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: love and affinity towards working outdoors to do the job

1625
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: that we do, which back to your question about hey,

1626
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,759
Speaker 1: where's this big you know, where's this coups or where's

1627
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: this you know heard at? Well, most of us are

1628
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: hunters too, and so we don't want to give up,

1629
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: but we may know as a good spot more these

1630
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: guys played dumb about the havelin. I'm like, so best,

1631
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,080
Speaker 1: I can tell you've been out here some number of days.

1632
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you a good thing about bobar T religion

1633
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 1: and and it's it doesn't matter whether it's because there's

1634
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times a lot of ortlins when they're

1635
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: working a load of dope, they'll go down and burn

1636
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 1: it just so the other bobard t religian doesn't catch it.

1637
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,839
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing when it comes to hunters,

1638
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,719
Speaker 1: right and hunting boblis won't tell you a thing because

1639
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: they'd rather fail and not get it than see you

1640
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: be successful. Well, now I'll be like seeing any havelina first,

1641
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, so you work for the Border Patrol,

1642
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: and I'll see in his eyes, dude and asked him

1643
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: about the halina. If you let's let's talk about more

1644
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: about wildlife in the in the border. It's still real

1645
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: quick just to interject that the biggest balloons those are

1646
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 1: those are called the acronym for those tars, it's tethered

1647
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: aerostat Radar systems UM. Those are actually primarily for UM

1648
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: sensing the low air domain, So for aircraft aircraft sensor.

1649
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: They're not watching you pick your nose in at. There's

1650
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 1: other stuff quote unquote on their way with other other

1651
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 1: sensing equipment on those UM, but the primary their primary

1652
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: role is for is basically low low aircraft systems. You know,

1653
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: spent time in ultra lights, helicopters one that's going on

1654
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: low space and the and then individual uh su ad

1655
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: the smaller V I had a friend of mine in

1656
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: the military. I can't hear if you talk about Iraq Afghanistan,

1657
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: he said they used a lot of those for that purpose.

1658
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:03,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely the exact same capability tracking aircraft and drones and stuff. Okay, Um,

1659
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: I've brought a bunch of times over the years to

1660
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 1: listeners the idea, especially when the idea of the of

1661
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 1: an impenetrable wall right became an issue, I would bring up.

1662
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: I would bring up when considering all of the factors,

1663
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:26,560
Speaker 1: a thing to consider is wildlife movement. Okay, not in

1664
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: in people get riled up and they get piste to

1665
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: even mentioned it because how dare you question the legitimacy

1666
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: of it of the wall. I'm like, I'm not. I'm

1667
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: just saying it's a thing to consider. But the more

1668
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: I think about it, too, I'd have to imagine that

1669
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 1: there are with just the amount of human traffic, human

1670
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: activity in terms of people crossing illegally, people trying to

1671
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:56,879
Speaker 1: catch the people crossing illegally. Um, all the vehicular traffic.

1672
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: Then you add in the wall. It has to have

1673
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: big implications for wildlife. Um, I'm gonna answer this little

1674
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: bit in Charles. You can correct me when I'm wrong,

1675
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure i'll be wrong. I'll just talk

1676
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: about this section in human Arizona. So one of one

1677
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: of the problems you have in Arizona is what's the

1678
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: lizard that's down there that do you have to avoid? Well,

1679
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's the the HeLa monster, and yeah, there's

1680
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: there's they have these lizards at all over and we're warrnted,

1681
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: you know when you see him stop the run over

1682
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: things like that. So the wall that that's built in

1683
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 1: Numa doesn't impede that animal's ability to go back and

1684
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: forth or or or or in any direction. Lizard a lizard, right, well,

1685
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 1: I think it or more thinking about large like like

1686
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 1: it certainly does it affect the the ability for them. So, UM,

1687
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna let you answer they because

1688
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to get into trouble. That's okay,

1689
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, Um, yes, there's I mean, is there some

1690
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: kind of impedence, Yes, that's I mean, it's a wall,

1691
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's a border wall system though. Two.

1692
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing I think a lot of people don't,

1693
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 1: um don't take into account for, is that, like it's

1694
01:37:11,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: where we aren't DHS isn't trying to put up just

1695
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:16,760
Speaker 1: a border wall. We're trying to put up a border

1696
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: wall system. UM. And that does so when when you say, oh, well,

1697
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's that wall, it's that wall, Well, yeah,

1698
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:30,520
Speaker 1: it's just we're talking about specifically just that one component

1699
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: of what should be a system, which is the wall.

1700
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: There is an enforcement zone or you know, some some

1701
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: way for for an agent to traverse that area, along

1702
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 1: with technology, so all three of those things working together, okay,

1703
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: to to help maintain the safety of the border. It's

1704
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 1: essentially of the nation. Um. And and so when you

1705
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: look at just the wall as the impedance, yes, there

1706
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 1: is that impedance, but Border Patrol, DHS, CBP, UM we

1707
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 1: are working with the land management agencies to address and

1708
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,440
Speaker 1: mitigate some of that impedance on the environment and the wildlife.

1709
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: For example, UM, you know in low water crossings, we

1710
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,560
Speaker 1: have you know, gates there so we can allow for

1711
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: the for the sheet flow of the water during rainy

1712
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 1: seasons or outside of rainy seasons, if there's an event,

1713
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: we can you know, open up those open up those

1714
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 1: gates to allow for UM for the water to flow,

1715
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: which you know also allows for for wildlife to cross through. UM.

1716
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: Along with that, there's also I just got back UM

1717
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: about two weeks ago, UM maybe a week ago out.

1718
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: My dates are running and running together. It's been busy,

1719
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: but we just got back from actually ground truthing UM

1720
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 1: what are called small wildlife patch passages UM. So it's

1721
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: like what Chief Fortunato was talking about in Yuma. It's

1722
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: one of the places where this originated from. As they

1723
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: were putting a putting in. Their border wall system is

1724
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 1: along the border UM. Even though they're they're ballard's on

1725
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 1: the border that are you know about every four four

1726
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 1: inches UM there's a a circular ballard and so you

1727
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 1: have a four inch gap essentially that lets the border

1728
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: patrol see what's going on south. So it provides some

1729
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: visual security for us of what's going on south. But

1730
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,640
Speaker 1: it's just a four inch gap UMUS sector started at

1731
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: the bottom putting in UM larger gaps. I think there's

1732
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: like it's like a six inch by two inch gaps

1733
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: so they notch out a portion every I don't know

1734
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: how many feet of that um uh of the ballard

1735
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 1: to allow for that lizard to freely go through it

1736
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be impeded in Tucson sector. And they're they're doing

1737
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 1: it in the in the newer UM border wall system

1738
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 1: that that they started putting in UM that there was

1739
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: it was placed in on pause on the January twenty

1740
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:59,719
Speaker 1: but within the system UM we started putting in small

1741
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: wall life passages. So we in order to even put

1742
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: those in, we got with Department of Interior and Department

1743
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: of Agriculture, you know, being for service essentially, UM Fish

1744
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service,

1745
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: all the land managers that were along the border. We

1746
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 1: got with those land managers and we talked with them about, hey,

1747
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 1: we want to put in these small wildlife passages on

1748
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: the border wall system to allow for to to better

1749
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 1: allow for wildlife to migrate through the border wall system.

1750
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: And what we did was we let them pick the

1751
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: locations of where they think it would be adequate to

1752
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: put these UM small wildlife passages in. But then we

1753
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: also got with them physically went out to the border

1754
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,479
Speaker 1: and said Okay, this is a GPS location that you

1755
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: said you would like to see this passage because they

1756
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: had the information on where wildlife would reverse and if

1757
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, there were some places where where they looked

1758
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: and it was already in a wash, there was already

1759
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: a you know, a gate we were putting in there.

1760
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: So we would say, hey, you know what if we

1761
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: move this up into a little bit higher ground. That way,

1762
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be in a place where wildlife can

1763
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 1: can pass through, and it's not a wasted location because

1764
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's already a gate at the bottom

1765
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 1: of this washlests maybe put a little bit higher. When

1766
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: you say small wildlife passage, like what sized animal are

1767
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 1: we are like a deer could pass through this or

1768
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: not a deer is I wouldn't consider a deer small wildlife. Um,

1769
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking the size of the hole wildlife as small

1770
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:40,719
Speaker 1: as yeah, the kind of wildlife. So like it's essentially

1771
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: the gap is going to be about eight and a

1772
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: half by eleven um. So you know, and really when

1773
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,360
Speaker 1: you're when you're thinking about it or when you look

1774
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: at that, that's a pretty significant amount of space because,

1775
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,719
Speaker 1: like I said, the original gap is only four inches

1776
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 1: approximately four inches, UM, And so I just don't want

1777
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: anybody to go down there and go, oh that trust

1778
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: guy said, it's you know, four inches, and this gap

1779
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: is three point seven five you know, or it's four

1780
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 1: point two whatever, but it's approximately four inches, right, UM.

1781
01:42:09,080 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: So we're essentially making that gap almost doubling the size

1782
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: the width, and then we're increasing it, you know, eleven

1783
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: eleven inches up. Um. So we came to that. It

1784
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: was years back, UM when they actually came to the

1785
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: reasoning why. I'm not exactly sure what the reason why. Essentially,

1786
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: it's that the reality is the reality is that most

1787
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 1: normal human beings that are going to be coming through

1788
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 1: the international border, they are going to be able to

1789
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 1: fit that. But the amount of wildlife that you can

1790
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: that can fit through that is you know, greatly increased

1791
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: because just from from putting that kind of of um

1792
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: passage allowable for the wildlife to go through. Imagine a

1793
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: chart that has two lines on it. One is UM. Okay,

1794
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 1: let's say one line is spending spending at the spending

1795
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: on border security, US spending on border security in the

1796
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:13,200
Speaker 1: southern border, and the other line is um traffic across

1797
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 1: said border. They rise in tandem or don't they We're

1798
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: spending more and more and more, but more and more

1799
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: people are coming across. If you like, let's say you

1800
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 1: drop the spending line with the other line increase even more.

1801
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 1: The gap would the gap would just increase? It be

1802
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:42,600
Speaker 1: like like if there was no no obstruction whatsoever you

1803
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: feel it would be like I'm I asking an obvious question,

1804
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 1: no obstruction at all would be more than whatever million people? Yes,

1805
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: I hop, I mean I have to think so again.

1806
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: It goes back to that, like I talked about the consequence,

1807
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: right that you have to have the border wall system

1808
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,960
Speaker 1: and and and tied with the consequent system and the

1809
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: criminal and and and being able to charge them criminally.

1810
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:12,040
Speaker 1: All that is what's going to help bring those numbers down.

1811
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Without it, it's just going to continue to fly because

1812
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: there has to be a consequence, and that consequence has

1813
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,799
Speaker 1: to be greater than the amount of money that smugglers

1814
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: can make. M that's the reality. Where do you you see?

1815
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't even want to ask because you won't be

1816
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: able to answer it, but I think I was gonna

1817
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 1: ask you where we sit right now? On consequence? Um,

1818
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing the best job I can within the Haver

1819
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: sector a R to deliver the highest consequence possible to

1820
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 1: all those that break the laws that I'm authorized and

1821
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: forced and Title eight, Title nineteen and Title so we

1822
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 1: we levy Title twenty nine UH fees. If you come

1823
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: across you and you illegal, you come across the border,

1824
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: if you're Canadian, you come across the border through POE,

1825
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: we apprehend you. We're gonna deliver your consequence either through

1826
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Title forty two or title to Title eight. So Title

1827
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: forty two expel them back, or Title eight charged them

1828
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 1: with illegal entry in the United States, and I'm also

1829
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with a five thousand dollar fine for

1830
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 1: evading inspection at the port of entry. So we're doing

1831
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 1: everything we can to deliver the highest possible consequence that

1832
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I can, knowing that the U. S. Attorney in the

1833
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: State of Montana is going to charge. They have they

1834
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 1: have their responsibilities, and they have their prosecution guidelines. I

1835
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 1: have those prosecution guidelines, and I do everything I can

1836
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 1: to prosecute and deliver consequence to anybody that enters or

1837
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: any crime that's committed within my a O R within

1838
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: those prosecution guidelines. Do you get more in trouble do

1839
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 1: you getting more trouble from crossing the northern border than

1840
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: you do the southern border because it more illegal? No,

1841
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean a board or whether you cross, whether you

1842
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: cross in Mexico or whether you cross in Canada, or

1843
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: whether you for whatever reason, if you can do it,

1844
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 1: you can aid going through customs that you know, the

1845
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: international airport. It's it's all the same that the laws

1846
01:46:06,479 --> 01:46:07,880
Speaker 1: of the same. You're gonna get treated the same way.

1847
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 1: You can get treated the same way. Really really, yes,

1848
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: why are you so skeptical? I just feel like some dude,

1849
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: like with neferry, like some do with nefarious intentions, snuck

1850
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 1: across the northern border and gets picked up. I just

1851
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,839
Speaker 1: feel like it's gonna be he's gonna have a different

1852
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: outcome than someone that did the same thing on the

1853
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: southern border. Well I wor yeah, I would have to think,

1854
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: because it's just gonna be Like I just feel like

1855
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:40,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be worse. No. So again that goes down

1856
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,439
Speaker 1: to the problems you'll be given a trial date and

1857
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: turned loose. Um. I guess it depends on on the

1858
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: on on the parameters of the case. Right. So in

1859
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: some of those things, right, So as as the chief

1860
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 1: of the Border Patrol. The only thing that I can

1861
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: do is interdict and charge and and build the best

1862
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: case that I possibly can for that person to be

1863
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,640
Speaker 1: actually be held in custody. That responsibility falls to the

1864
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: Director of Immigration UH Customs Enforcement. So the Director of

1865
01:47:09,120 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: of Immigration Customers Enforcement is housed in Salt Lake City.

1866
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:17,520
Speaker 1: It's his responsibility to find space for whoever I apprehend.

1867
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 1: If he doesn't have the space, he has the authority

1868
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 1: to release that person into the into the country with

1869
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a with a court date. So I have no control

1870
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: over that. I can utilize whatever network I have and

1871
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: whatever arm twisting I can, or whatever pleading I can,

1872
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: whatever relationship I have with them. Hey, this is the

1873
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 1: one guy I think I need, that you really need

1874
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:42,800
Speaker 1: to hold. But ultimately it's his decision on whether or

1875
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 1: not he holds him. And then the same thing when

1876
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: it comes to the actual consequence. I have no control

1877
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: whether the Assistant U S Attorney in in in Missoula,

1878
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,719
Speaker 1: Montana prosecutes that person that we have that we apprehend

1879
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: it in charge. All I can do, and this is

1880
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,160
Speaker 1: what I tell my agents all the time. Our responsibility

1881
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: is to to protect the home land. And if somebody

1882
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: violates that protection and violates a law. Our job is

1883
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 1: to apprehend them and charge them. Once we're done with that,

1884
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: our bullets downrange. Everything else that happens after that, we

1885
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 1: have zero control over They whether they get held is

1886
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: up to somebody else's responsibility. And whether or not they

1887
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 1: get charged, or whether that that charge is dismissed or

1888
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: whether that charge is plead out. Is that the responsibility

1889
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: of somebody else. I hear from friends of mine and

1890
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: law enforcement that sometimes people will develop, like people in

1891
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,799
Speaker 1: the field will develop a little bit of fatigue about

1892
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:46,120
Speaker 1: doing their job and not seeing not being happy with

1893
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned the down the downrange bullet. Yeah, what happens

1894
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 1: to it wants it gets downrange that it leads to

1895
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 1: fatigue and a little bit of ambivalence. Well, it's and

1896
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna speak for for the agents that I

1897
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:02,799
Speaker 1: supervise and and and have her and and it's probably

1898
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: typical of most border choices. Is probably even the four

1899
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 1: of us sitting in this room as a border of

1900
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: tal agent. It's just not good enough to apprehend them

1901
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 1: the charge and we want to see, we want to

1902
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,759
Speaker 1: see something happen to them. And because we're all type

1903
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,919
Speaker 1: a personalities, and and because we believe in protecting the homeland,

1904
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 1: and and we believe that that as part of doing

1905
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: that job is is bringing a consequence to somebody that

1906
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: breaks the law. And and yes, that the fatigue does

1907
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 1: come in because all in all, and you guys correct

1908
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, an agent gets sick and tired

1909
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 1: of doing the best job that they possibly can to

1910
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: see them just walk away with so uh and and

1911
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 1: and it's not just the border of trolles like you said,

1912
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 1: it's it's happens all the way across law enforcement agencies.

1913
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,719
Speaker 1: It even happened when I was a police officer in Colorado.

1914
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: You would charge things, and you know often the attorneys

1915
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: that that decide how things go besides the the ultimate

1916
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,760
Speaker 1: they that happens with that case. So I know that

1917
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:04,719
Speaker 1: that is one of the big challenges that were facing

1918
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: in the Border trol is that our Borbatrol agents are

1919
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:09,600
Speaker 1: working hard every single day. And and they voiced to

1920
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: me that there they're sick and tired of working hard

1921
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 1: and and not seeing a consequence delivered. And that's my

1922
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,440
Speaker 1: job is to try to make sure that those consequences

1923
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,640
Speaker 1: are delivered. I gotta I know where this happened. I

1924
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,000
Speaker 1: don't wanna get too many details, but I got a

1925
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: friend who, uh his body owns some retail space and

1926
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,799
Speaker 1: he had a woman leave. Uh. He rents his retail

1927
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: space to a major um drug store. Okay, he watched

1928
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 1: a customer of his leave the store and get mugged

1929
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 1: and have her bags and purse stolen. And he couldn't

1930
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 1: get the cops that were there interested, and that this

1931
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: is there is nothing to do with your department. He

1932
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 1: couldn't get the cops interested, and the cops said to him, oh,

1933
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 1: what would you like me to do? Apprehend him? Well,

1934
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I can tell you the apathy, right yeah, And I

1935
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 1: get that that's that's a police officer he's haven't talking

1936
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: to I can. I can honestly say that if that

1937
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: of a board of Chile Agion was standing there, I

1938
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 1: guarantee that person would have been apprehended, whether they were

1939
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 1: on dude or not, right James, Right, Charles, they would

1940
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:19,679
Speaker 1: have jumped in and they would have that guy would

1941
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: have been apprehended. Steve on your on your what you

1942
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:36,560
Speaker 1: described as far as like budget investment versus you know,

1943
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 1: the the increasing flow like they're like they kind of

1944
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: go hand in hand with one another. I don't think

1945
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: it's there. And and anyone could look up the CBPS

1946
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 1: as custom board protraction statistics for every fiscal year. Um,

1947
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 1: you know budgets. Uh, I'm just just speaking plainly. I'm sure.

1948
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure government budgets for all matter of departments go

1949
01:51:57,600 --> 01:51:59,600
Speaker 1: up year after year. That's just seems to be the

1950
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: way I think the federal government. But you know the

1951
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: apprehensions and encounters that we see um in the war

1952
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 1: patrol and CPP wide, it's it's very much is related

1953
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 1: to the push factors from where people are leaving from,

1954
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: whether it's socio economic, environmental Uh. You know a lot

1955
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:25,680
Speaker 1: of you know, communism, issues of communism Venezuela right now,

1956
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 1: an earthquake in Haiti, when any one of any one

1957
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,839
Speaker 1: of a combination these factors can push a large population

1958
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: in people out to find refuge someplace else. Um. Combined

1959
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:42,000
Speaker 1: with how whatever political parties in power in the United

1960
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:46,160
Speaker 1: States any one time, how their priorities are loaded against

1961
01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:48,560
Speaker 1: the laws that are on the books, which typically do

1962
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,760
Speaker 1: not change. It's just the priorities that they put in

1963
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 1: place on how those laws are enforced. It is what

1964
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: becomes the poll fit. That's an interesting point. Yeah, this

1965
01:52:58,040 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: interesting point that the laws don't change, it's just how

1966
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: you how you prioritize them changes. Well. So while while

1967
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 1: budget probably increases year after year, I would say, at

1968
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: least for homeland security because of of what it means

1969
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:19,240
Speaker 1: um the the the the encounters will vary upon the

1970
01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: combination of those push and pull factors. So it's not

1971
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: necessarily a correlation between budget goes up apprehensions encounters are

1972
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:27,640
Speaker 1: going to go up. That's not necessarily the case. It

1973
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 1: will flow depending on those factors. Do agents that you

1974
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,559
Speaker 1: guys know, do people start to feel a little bit

1975
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: of whiplash about changing priorities year to year? Is it?

1976
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Is it? Is it a

1977
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,600
Speaker 1: cause of I've been in just about twenty five years now.

1978
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,439
Speaker 1: I think I'm used to it. I've I've kind of

1979
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 1: chameleoned to what what we're doing. It's nothing, I guess

1980
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm just used to it. And and and it's you know,

1981
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: that's that's just the way a government. We're not the

1982
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 1: only people impacted by this. It's every single agency. Uh,

1983
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: I know, you guys have had a myriad of of

1984
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 1: of land management experts on on the show over the years,

1985
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they have. Uh you know, how long

1986
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: has it been since since for service or BLM has

1987
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 1: had like a budget to sustain roads and whatnot? I

1988
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:14,800
Speaker 1: mean like the Department of waiting decades just because things

1989
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,280
Speaker 1: like homeland security and and international terrorism when I probably

1990
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:20,200
Speaker 1: got in the way of those budgets being fulfilled and

1991
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 1: who knows how long. So it's it's just not it's

1992
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: just not us. So every every every every department and agency,

1993
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,600
Speaker 1: even the federal government has has has to evolve to

1994
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: whatever the priorities are. Yeah, and I think it does.

1995
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:35,120
Speaker 1: It just comes down to the length of time and service. Again,

1996
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: I've been in almost twenty six years and in twenty

1997
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: six years, I've seen what five presidents, So that change

1998
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,680
Speaker 1: of response of of has happened that many times as

1999
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:46,920
Speaker 1: as compared to somebody has only been in the agency

2000
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: maybe three or four years that come into it. This

2001
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 1: is all they know. They just don't have that concept

2002
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: of of it's an ebbs and flows kind of thing.

2003
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: It's it's uh, the reality is is that uh, you know,

2004
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: how we how we can deliver, how we work comes

2005
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: in in line with what the agents with the administration

2006
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: wants us to do. So a lot of that does

2007
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: come into link the service. Those guys that are younger

2008
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: are those agents that have been a little bit less

2009
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 1: amount of time struggle with a little bit more than

2010
01:55:14,240 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: folks that have what they perceive as a real change

2011
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: in direction. Right, do you have a hard time finding agents?

2012
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Is a tough recruitment. Um, So recruitment has has has

2013
01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:26,440
Speaker 1: been a struggle, not just for the border troll but

2014
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 1: I think law enforcement, uh nationwide. Right, it's uh the

2015
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 1: border of trolling particular, Like Charles said, you have to

2016
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 1: be a borda tal agent. You have to be willing

2017
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 1: to go out and work in the outdoors and be

2018
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: outdoors and not be not being next to bathrooms and

2019
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,600
Speaker 1: and be willing to to lay in with ticks and

2020
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 1: scorpions and spiders and god forbid snakes and all those

2021
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: other things that come along. And it takes a certain

2022
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of a person to want to do that. And Um,

2023
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:57,560
Speaker 1: the other thing that we're running into is this is

2024
01:55:57,600 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: this is a generation issue right now, right, Um, the

2025
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 1: generation of folks sitting around this table have a concept

2026
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:06,200
Speaker 1: of hard work and true grit, and they're willing to

2027
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 1: go out and do that type of work. The generation

2028
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: nowadays is not that they don't want to work hard.

2029
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 1: They just want to work as hard as they can

2030
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 1: for as little hours as possible and get as much

2031
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: money as right, so that they can go do that

2032
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 1: so they can go enjoy life. Right. They don't want

2033
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to they don't want to live to work. They want

2034
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: to work as little as possible and make as much

2035
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 1: money as they possibly can so they can go fish

2036
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 1: and go kayaking, go hiking, world travel, do those kind

2037
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,120
Speaker 1: of things. So trying to find people that want to

2038
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 1: do both of those things is becoming difficult. Speaking of

2039
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 1: that is there is there places around the country that

2040
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 1: are like choice posts for border patrol agents or just

2041
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 1: employees in general. Places. Yeah, like places like that's the place,

2042
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:58,440
Speaker 1: So I guess it depends on the person. Right. There's

2043
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 1: a lot of folks that are here in Montana. Part

2044
01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: of the reason why they wanted to come to Montana

2045
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 1: is because of the of the ability to do that

2046
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of things. Um, I think a lot of folks

2047
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 1: live in Arizona so that they can have those kind

2048
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: of concept. There's a lot of folks that want to

2049
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 1: go to the Rio Grand Valley because their fishermen they

2050
01:57:16,280 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 1: want to go do the offshore fishing and things like that.

2051
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Um um, so yeah, there's a lot of folks that

2052
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: want to do that. The problem with the border, which

2053
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 1: told that most law enforcement agents don't have, is we're

2054
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: constrained by geography and that when you come into the

2055
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: United States Border Patrol and you get hired, you're going

2056
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:34,440
Speaker 1: to one of the nine Southwest border sectors for your

2057
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: first assignment. So yeah, you're not don't You don't start now.

2058
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 1: And in fact, in fact I went north to to

2059
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,000
Speaker 1: Graham Array, Minnesota in two thousand one. It took me

2060
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: six years to get there. They said, they send you

2061
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 1: to the south. They yeah, you go to the south.

2062
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,360
Speaker 1: So when you come on and the difference between now

2063
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,440
Speaker 1: and and when we all came in, I didn't get

2064
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 1: a choice. I got a fed X men saity, congratulations,

2065
01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 1: you're hired by the U. S. Bard Patrol. You're going

2066
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 1: to McCallan, Texas. And I had to look on the

2067
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 1: map and said, where the hell is McAllen, Texas? On

2068
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,520
Speaker 1: an atlas, on an atlas, not on my phone. I

2069
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 1: had to look on an atlas to see where McAllen,

2070
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: Texas was um, but nowadays they get a chance to

2071
01:58:11,640 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 1: pick so as they go through the process, and of

2072
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 1: course they have the technology at the tips of their fingers,

2073
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 1: they can look on and see while you know, I

2074
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,600
Speaker 1: don't want to go to Presidio, Texas because all you

2075
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:22,919
Speaker 1: gotta do is look on the map and see where Presidio,

2076
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 1: Texas is and realize it's eight hours from anywhere, right,

2077
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,160
Speaker 1: So well, I'd rather be in San Diego, California, right.

2078
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 1: And so that comes down to the mentality too, because

2079
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:34,880
Speaker 1: we're going out and and cabin these kind of people,

2080
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and and and we've got folks and it happens today

2081
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 1: that are from New York that don't even have a

2082
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 1: driver's license. They get a driver's license to get a

2083
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: job as a board troll agent. So they've never driven

2084
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,919
Speaker 1: a car until they go to the board troll Academy

2085
01:58:49,160 --> 01:58:52,240
Speaker 1: and we teach them defensive driving and high speed tactics.

2086
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:57,640
Speaker 1: When when I showed when I showed up in Dorio

2087
01:58:57,720 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: from the Bronx New York, the everyone and del Rey

2088
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 1: always asking me, you know you drive, and I'm like,

2089
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm driving to some sixteen what are you talking about?

2090
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:11,360
Speaker 1: In the opposite side too. I'm from I'm from Colorado,

2091
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:12,920
Speaker 1: grew up and it was born in Reason, Colorado, and

2092
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 1: I went to becoming Texas and one of my classmates

2093
01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: sitting on the plane with he's freaking out. It was

2094
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 1: the first time he's he's twenty eight years or first

2095
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 1: time in twenty eight years he's ever been on a

2096
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 1: plane and left the state of Texas. Huh, never been

2097
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,840
Speaker 1: out of state of Texas in twenty eight years until

2098
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 1: he got on a plane to fly to Charleston, South

2099
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 1: Carolina to go be a bordual agent. I read that

2100
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: he's true, man, that someone from like a citizen of

2101
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:42,320
Speaker 1: Texas is more likely to leave the state than the

2102
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:45,360
Speaker 1: citizen of any other state or some ship like that.

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01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:47,760
Speaker 1: But didn't make sense. I thought about what about people

2104
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 1: Rhode Island who can't go get a cup of coffee

2105
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 1: without leaving the state. Yeah, I shouldn't need harung it up. Yeah.

2106
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: So the recruitment, I have a high likelihood of going

2107
01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: on vacation or something I do. So recruitment is tough

2108
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,879
Speaker 1: because we're trying to we're trying to have that dynamic

2109
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 1: of folks that want to go out and work in

2110
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 1: the outdoors, and and and and and encountered large groups

2111
02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 1: of people. Right as as a police officer in Colorado,

2112
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, the largest apprehension arrest I have ever made

2113
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: was maybe two people at a time. And after going

2114
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:19,040
Speaker 1: down to McCallen, Texas, when I first apprehend hundred and

2115
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,240
Speaker 1: fifty people. So how do you go from and you're

2116
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 1: the only one, right, So how do you go from

2117
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:27,000
Speaker 1: maintaining control of a hundred fifty people? Because let's be honest,

2118
02:00:27,320 --> 02:00:34,440
Speaker 1: if they want you, they're gonna take you. So it

2119
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:36,240
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. You can do things like So

2120
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:38,760
Speaker 1: what I did with them is the first thing I

2121
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,080
Speaker 1: want to do is identify whether from Mexico from another country.

2122
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:44,520
Speaker 1: So a hundred and fifty people walking out singing the

2123
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: Mexican national anthem just to keep them occupied, because it's

2124
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 1: the only way I can control a hundred and fifty people.

2125
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:53,320
Speaker 1: I had two sets of handcuffs. Who am I gonna pick? Right?

2126
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 1: You just get them all singing the national anthem as

2127
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 1: you're walking out out of the trail too for the

2128
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 1: bus to come pick them up. So it's it's you

2129
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:04,000
Speaker 1: gotta It's an interesting dynamic to find people that really

2130
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:05,680
Speaker 1: want to go out and step in and do that

2131
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 1: type of law enforcement work, especially when they can go

2132
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 1: work for Bozeman p D and patrol here in Bozeman,

2133
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:17,000
Speaker 1: or even working in Denver, Colorado, or Kansas City, Missouri

2134
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 1: and and just patrol and have backup thirty seconds away

2135
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 1: for us, backups in in a lot of cases minutes, ten,

2136
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:29,080
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away. So how many agents do you guys

2137
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:31,120
Speaker 1: lose on like every year in the line of duty,

2138
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 1: the ebbs and flows, we lost almost fifty two CBP wide. Uh,

2139
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:39,040
Speaker 1: probably because of COVID in the last couple of years. Um,

2140
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 1: I think we're at two or one. I think we're

2141
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 1: at one or two so far for for this year.

2142
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:47,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's up and down, right, It's up

2143
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 1: and down. There's there's no way for us to depict that.

2144
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: What's uh, what's the pathway into that line of work

2145
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: to board patrol? You know, like how do people how

2146
02:01:57,200 --> 02:02:01,720
Speaker 1: do people flow? Right? Um? So Uh, you wake up

2147
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 1: one day and he'd be like, man, I want to

2148
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: I want to join the U. S. Border Patrol. There's

2149
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 1: a variety of ways that people people get involved into it.

2150
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:09,320
Speaker 1: Mean myself, I mean I grew up in a in

2151
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:12,840
Speaker 1: a you know, in a neighborhood in in New York

2152
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,000
Speaker 1: City where I mean most of the guys that I

2153
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 1: knew you grew up became a cop, fireman or or

2154
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:21,920
Speaker 1: construction And I was going after the police route and

2155
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 1: taking police exams all up and down the East coast,

2156
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 1: the North Atlantic coast, and uh and Boordahl just happened

2157
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,600
Speaker 1: to be the first one to to send me a

2158
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 1: letter of acceptance. So I jumped in blind and it

2159
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:35,400
Speaker 1: was the best thing I ever did. UM. But I

2160
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:39,400
Speaker 1: mean there's there's there's you know, there's uh c J

2161
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 1: programs across the country that that you know, try to

2162
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 1: try to place their students into different different law enforcement paths. Um.

2163
02:02:48,720 --> 02:02:51,000
Speaker 1: And then for us, I mean, the third of our

2164
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 1: workforce or or our veterans, so it's a natural about

2165
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,960
Speaker 1: third of our war of the cbp A workforces is veterans,

2166
02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: and so it's a natural transition. Plus they carry over

2167
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of their benefits whatnot. So if they're mindful

2168
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:05,480
Speaker 1: of that, they're able to bring over their federal benefits

2169
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:08,400
Speaker 1: and time and service from the from their armed services

2170
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 1: to the board. You need to add that to your retirement, Yes, oh, no, kid. Yeah,

2171
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:13,640
Speaker 1: and we we had a lot of folks that want

2172
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:16,640
Speaker 1: to jump from state or or or local law enforcement

2173
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 1: the federal. So the pay is a little bit better

2174
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: on the fideral side it is in the state. But

2175
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,720
Speaker 1: to your point about recruiting, it's a it's it's a

2176
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 1: like all I think was a referendum on on law

2177
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 1: enforcement goes without saying, you know, nationwide, it was it

2178
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 1: was a you know, it forced agencies to take a

2179
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 1: look at what law you know, policing in general meant

2180
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 1: were no exception um, and you know, uh and and

2181
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 1: and focusing on how to bring in uh. You guys

2182
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 1: look at reactivating hunters. You know, it's one of your

2183
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 1: tenants that you guys, we were very much in the

2184
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 1: same situation. Actually, I think all industry is looking to

2185
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:51,680
Speaker 1: trying to get people out of back to work in

2186
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,080
Speaker 1: some form or fashion. But we're no, we're because of

2187
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 1: how scrutinized law enforcement as a whole was from now. Um,

2188
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:00,480
Speaker 1: it's made it tough and and whiles you know, as

2189
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:03,640
Speaker 1: they say that the economy is kind of difficult right now. Um,

2190
02:04:04,200 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 1: the you know, my daughter, you know, good better and different,

2191
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,160
Speaker 1: had the choice of of uh you know, going to school,

2192
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:14,839
Speaker 1: uh go finding a blue college job, going to college,

2193
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 1: or trying to get on YouTube and make a million

2194
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: dollars a year or or something like that. Like that,

2195
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 1: that's an actual viable option, which blows my mind nowadays.

2196
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:27,120
Speaker 1: Um so uh not only competing about the changing sentiment

2197
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: towards law enforcement and enticing people um to go in

2198
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 1: that career field, but also uh making it a viable

2199
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: option to all these other things that are that are

2200
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've never would have perceived we're at their

2201
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 1: disposable to make money uh thirty years ago or something

2202
02:04:42,640 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 1: like that. So uh but but I think anyone who

2203
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:50,280
Speaker 1: has that sense uh for us a particularly speaking bores,

2204
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: anyone has that sense of adventure um uh or or

2205
02:04:55,040 --> 02:04:57,200
Speaker 1: wants to you know, all the all the areas that

2206
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:59,240
Speaker 1: we talked about. Charles mentioned God's Country. If you want

2207
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:00,920
Speaker 1: to make that you're offer since this is a natural

2208
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:03,960
Speaker 1: way to a natural way to live in that in

2209
02:05:04,040 --> 02:05:06,160
Speaker 1: that kind of office environment every day where you get

2210
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:09,640
Speaker 1: to experience these the great outdoors and protect it, even

2211
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 1: though maybe maybe that's not your primary mission is to

2212
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,520
Speaker 1: protect the actual land, but just by this, just by

2213
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 1: your actual presence on the landscape, you're protecting it and

2214
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:19,280
Speaker 1: and it takes the rights type of person to do that.

2215
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 1: And there's still a lot of those folks out there

2216
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,320
Speaker 1: that have that, that are wired towards that that career field.

2217
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:25,839
Speaker 1: So if you wanted to get a job riding horseback

2218
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,720
Speaker 1: through uh Big Ben National Park, there's a way to

2219
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: do that. And they get the camp out actually spoken

2220
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:37,600
Speaker 1: does a lot of a lot of details where that

2221
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 1: where they go remote with horse patrol for weeks at

2222
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 1: a time. If you want, if you're gonna go camp

2223
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:46,520
Speaker 1: out in in in the Glacier National Park here in Montana,

2224
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 1: we got details you can do that. If you want

2225
02:05:48,720 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: to spend time in the b w C, the Botder

2226
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 1: Water Canoe Area in Minnesota, there's an eight you can

2227
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:57,160
Speaker 1: go out there and spend I've spent ten days because

2228
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:01,280
Speaker 1: I spent I spent ten days odds leading through the

2229
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: boundary waters. Really yeah, as an agent, as an agent

2230
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,520
Speaker 1: because it's not because it's non motorized, because non motorized,

2231
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: no mechanized. And what was you what's the craziest thing

2232
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 1: in those ten years that you spent up there that

2233
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,840
Speaker 1: you encountered as far as something crossing the border that

2234
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: you had to interdict. Um, the craziest thing would have

2235
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:25,920
Speaker 1: been body carries with diamonds in the boundary waters. In

2236
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:29,800
Speaker 1: the boundary waters. Yeah, what did you call me again?

2237
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 1: Body carries? Body carriers carrying diamonds. So trying to dodge terror?

2238
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 1: Are they well? Because they could They were getting head

2239
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:40,400
Speaker 1: at the port of entry, so they were taking them

2240
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: to the one section and on the Canadian side where

2241
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:45,840
Speaker 1: they can actually get vehicles to and then they were

2242
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 1: bringing them across in in canoes. But it's not illegal

2243
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:52,560
Speaker 1: to have a diamond. They're trying to avoid what the customs,

2244
02:06:52,640 --> 02:06:56,920
Speaker 1: the taxes? No kid? Yeah, were they in canoes. They

2245
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:00,680
Speaker 1: were in canoes. Econom in canoes. They're in canoes. Did

2246
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:02,920
Speaker 1: they seem they knew? They seem why they knew what

2247
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 1: they were doing? Uh? Could you pick them out from

2248
02:07:06,040 --> 02:07:09,120
Speaker 1: a mile away? You're like those guys I'm sticking out.

2249
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:13,040
Speaker 1: I believe they beat us nine times before we caught them.

2250
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:18,560
Speaker 1: Really back to that, Yeah, yeah, I have no clue,

2251
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 1: but they I believe when we caught them they were

2252
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:24,280
Speaker 1: shocked to see us. So they had been successful on

2253
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:29,760
Speaker 1: multiple occasions. M Yeah, I want another like a couple

2254
02:07:29,800 --> 02:07:33,760
Speaker 1: of highlights or like craziest events of my career on

2255
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:35,720
Speaker 1: the border was in Texas, so a lot of those

2256
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 1: high fence, high fence ranches down there with all sorts

2257
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:42,400
Speaker 1: of animals small over the planet, and so getting attecked

2258
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:47,280
Speaker 1: by EMUs was one of my early and finding out

2259
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:51,120
Speaker 1: they like to pull your buttons off your shirt. Yeah,

2260
02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: it's a strange thing if you ever never seen one

2261
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:56,440
Speaker 1: before you're all the wild. But as you can imagine,

2262
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,920
Speaker 1: all the you know, the manner of things that that

2263
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:00,640
Speaker 1: they put on those ranches is out there that we

2264
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 1: have to patrol on and you know, seeing a zebra

2265
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,440
Speaker 1: or or a you know, a kudu for the first

2266
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 1: time driving around, it kind of blows your mind. M hmm, yeah,

2267
02:08:09,800 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: I think. Um when actually when, when Sammy and I

2268
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:15,680
Speaker 1: were back in Laredo working together, there was one night

2269
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 1: and it wasn't me that um that made the apprehension,

2270
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:20,880
Speaker 1: but but we were working one night and we got

2271
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:23,840
Speaker 1: a call and because they didn't the guys in the

2272
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:27,400
Speaker 1: field didn't know who to call um, and we didn't

2273
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 1: know either. We got a call from from an agent

2274
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 1: and and they're like, hey, we're we're out here with

2275
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 1: a group Okay, what's the big deal. You know, you

2276
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,800
Speaker 1: guys got thirty and whatever. And then they're like, yeah,

2277
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 1: we have this group, but we have a tiger, remember that.

2278
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 1: And and we're like, what you have a tiger? And yeah,

2279
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 1: we have a group of thirty and one of these

2280
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 1: guys has a tiger. I real, yes, it was a

2281
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:54,640
Speaker 1: baby cub tiger. He was bringing it across because I

2282
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:57,360
Speaker 1: apparently the black market trade and stuff. He was going

2283
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:00,320
Speaker 1: to sell this tiger to Somebody's happen a bunch of times. Parents.

2284
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:03,240
Speaker 1: Parents are real popular in southern part of the parents

2285
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 1: to cans, monkeys, foot traffic, yeah yeah, foot foot and

2286
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:11,720
Speaker 1: and at the bridge trying to the bridges, but but

2287
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 1: also through just carrying in a duffle bag across the

2288
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 1: border for sure. Huh. Kind of monkeys, those those little

2289
02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're called. But the friends

2290
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:27,600
Speaker 1: ones that the confus like a little like a little

2291
02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:29,760
Speaker 1: like like I don't know, it's kind of longy that

2292
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 1: you can jump on your shoulders. Yeah, yeah, not like

2293
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:37,240
Speaker 1: a not like a little many tiny you know, you know,

2294
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 1: monkeys from Africa and things like that they were trying

2295
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 1: to bring in. Really, yeah, how could be enough money

2296
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 1: and that to make that worthwhile. If there's money to

2297
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 1: be made, there's trying to sell it. Unfortunately, you know,

2298
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 1: just just and I don't know, we're probably getting off topic.

2299
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 1: In South Texas use clothings and big things. You see

2300
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 1: palletts of of us clothing, so clothing we would throw away,

2301
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:03,160
Speaker 1: they put in and bind in a pallet and they

2302
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 1: smuggled at south to Mexico. The same thing with chicken

2303
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:09,000
Speaker 1: raw chicken raw, chicken go south because in Mexico they

2304
02:10:09,120 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 1: charge attacks. They never charge attacks on chicken trying to

2305
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 1: get out of the tax. So they're smuggling chicken south

2306
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:18,200
Speaker 1: into into Mexico. And then we call it rope saw

2307
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 1: to use clothing going south into Mexico for people to buy.

2308
02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:27,080
Speaker 1: Use clothing. And funny story in in McAllen Um, we

2309
02:10:27,240 --> 02:10:29,440
Speaker 1: had clothing going and we were tired of him, right

2310
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:32,000
Speaker 1: so we said, oh we're gonna, we're gonna bust your palates.

2311
02:10:32,040 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 1: We we cracked the palletts hundred thousand dollars cash wrapped

2312
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 1: up inside one of the bundles, which was a mistake

2313
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,720
Speaker 1: because then every bundle going south was getting cracked open

2314
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,600
Speaker 1: by bordal chodes and there was used clothing all over

2315
02:10:42,680 --> 02:10:44,920
Speaker 1: the border just turned out to be a nightmare. But yeah,

2316
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,160
Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff that happens. So whenever something's

2317
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:51,720
Speaker 1: going north, cash is going south. M hmm. When you

2318
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:53,800
Speaker 1: guys found all that money, you probably party that night.

2319
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,720
Speaker 1: Avocado is also a big thing, Avocados coming north. People

2320
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:06,040
Speaker 1: smuggling avocados to avoid to avoid tax well to avoid

2321
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:09,080
Speaker 1: taxes and then alvas. The avocados in Mexico are actually

2322
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:12,120
Speaker 1: quite a bit bigger than than you can the California avocados.

2323
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,520
Speaker 1: So in Texas avocados are are are pretty big. People

2324
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:17,920
Speaker 1: smuggling avocados cross so if you go you can go

2325
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,760
Speaker 1: to Mexico and buy an avocado, but they take out

2326
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 1: the bone. It has to do with the bone. There's

2327
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,760
Speaker 1: some sort of agriculture or some disease that's in the

2328
02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 1: seed or so they does that by smuggling north because

2329
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 1: they can get more money. And obviously if you hold

2330
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:33,720
Speaker 1: the Mexican avocado next to a California Texan avocados like

2331
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:37,280
Speaker 1: a softball to a baseball. It's so avocados are really popular.

2332
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:40,680
Speaker 1: Cigarettes on the northern border now, cigarettes on the northern ord,

2333
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:44,640
Speaker 1: especially over in in California in New York going north

2334
02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:49,360
Speaker 1: or coming south? Uh, both both. They call them two nis.

2335
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 1: You can you go into the Agnosasi territories and buy

2336
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 1: It's really kind of crazy. It's it's the equivalent of

2337
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,280
Speaker 1: a of a cart and cigarettes, but they're they're just

2338
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:01,440
Speaker 1: thrown in a bag because they're nondescript. No, my buddy

2339
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:03,960
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend in Canada who had she only had

2340
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:07,160
Speaker 1: one leg, and she would put all kinds of cigarettes

2341
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:10,040
Speaker 1: in her fake leg every time she went across she

2342
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 1: was she'd come, she'd come over to the US and

2343
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,720
Speaker 1: then fill her fake leg with a cigarettes to go

2344
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: back to Canada. No buddy mind fellow named Kurt. So

2345
02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:21,640
Speaker 1: there's if there's money to be made in smuggling it,

2346
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. We all thought it was funny.

2347
02:12:24,640 --> 02:12:30,440
Speaker 1: I never thought the report her. I've just semi harmless.

2348
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,080
Speaker 1: And then we start talking about Western boots and things

2349
02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:36,200
Speaker 1: like that. Of course, reptile styles and things like that.

2350
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:38,320
Speaker 1: A lot of those things are restricted from coming. And

2351
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:42,839
Speaker 1: you'll see loads of boots coming across, and reptile belts

2352
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:48,280
Speaker 1: and things like that, like wildlife trade. Huh do you

2353
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 1: ever see um when we're down there? Across and they

2354
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:54,880
Speaker 1: have a thing about all the cats like awes lots

2355
02:12:55,880 --> 02:12:59,040
Speaker 1: you know what else they got their turtle shells. You

2356
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: a big poster, I know the post you're talking about.

2357
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:03,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the there's a bunch of birds

2358
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 1: on it. It's just like the wildlife trafficking business. The

2359
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:09,880
Speaker 1: stuff that we the stuff that our counterparts, the office

2360
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,480
Speaker 1: field operations, ladies and gents at the bridges that that

2361
02:13:13,600 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 1: come across the agg specialists that have to go through

2362
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:19,800
Speaker 1: people bringing in fruit and all that stuff. And usually there,

2363
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:21,280
Speaker 1: you know, most of the stuff their time. They're looking

2364
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:23,920
Speaker 1: for pests, you know, anything that any kind of you know,

2365
02:13:24,080 --> 02:13:26,360
Speaker 1: beetle or larva or something that's in with like a

2366
02:13:26,440 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 1: dozen roses or some kind of whatever fruit you're bringing over.

2367
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:31,720
Speaker 1: But they're the ones that run into like the really

2368
02:13:31,800 --> 02:13:34,600
Speaker 1: really wacky stuff from like and like stuff that just

2369
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 1: shows up that that these people bring because it's a

2370
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:39,680
Speaker 1: it's a totem or something like that, and it who

2371
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:42,120
Speaker 1: knows where they got some kind of crazy dried up

2372
02:13:42,160 --> 02:13:44,880
Speaker 1: and endangered frog from down in Chioppa's, Mexico and then

2373
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:47,960
Speaker 1: bringing up and uh, it's common for for these things

2374
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:51,040
Speaker 1: to just be um part of part of their kid

2375
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:58,040
Speaker 1: that they're bringing with them. Oh well you got no,

2376
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:05,040
Speaker 1: that's better. What do you guys, what do you guys have?

2377
02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:10,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to add that we didn't get into, Uh, Charles,

2378
02:14:10,200 --> 02:14:13,080
Speaker 1: I think a little bit about um, the efforts on

2379
02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 1: the organ pipe pretty yeah, I think. UM. I mean

2380
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:18,480
Speaker 1: one of the cool things like we talked about, you know,

2381
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 1: we you guys, you're you know, you guys talk a

2382
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 1: lot about conservation and and the use of public lands

2383
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:28,760
Speaker 1: and and how you know, UM, you know, how hunting

2384
02:14:29,120 --> 02:14:34,040
Speaker 1: and you know, in general, the general population impacts the environment. UM.

2385
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:36,680
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that within border patrol,

2386
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no doubt about it. Like the job

2387
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:41,360
Speaker 1: that we do, UM, you know, there is an impact

2388
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:44,960
Speaker 1: on it. UM and over the years like an organ

2389
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:47,880
Speaker 1: pipe UM organ pipe Cactus National Monument for those of

2390
02:14:48,600 --> 02:14:51,280
Speaker 1: y'all that don't know, it's it's a huge national monument

2391
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:54,840
Speaker 1: on the southern border of Arizona. UM. You know, the

2392
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:58,640
Speaker 1: majority of it, the whole southern border butts the international

2393
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:04,040
Speaker 1: boundary UM with Mexico, and UM. You know, there's a

2394
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,000
Speaker 1: lot of stuff that had happened over the years, UM

2395
02:15:06,440 --> 02:15:11,320
Speaker 1: on that property. UM. One of which was the unfortunate

2396
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:15,920
Speaker 1: death of of UM Chris Sedgley UM and UH and

2397
02:15:16,120 --> 02:15:19,400
Speaker 1: and that came about through UM drug trafficking. I didn't

2398
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: know that was on the that that was on the monument.

2399
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:26,280
Speaker 1: It was it occurred on the monument UM I believe

2400
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:31,120
Speaker 1: in in two thousand three. I believe. I apologize if

2401
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't UM, if I'm getting a date wrong. But

2402
02:15:33,960 --> 02:15:37,120
Speaker 1: because of what had happened UM, it actually Department of

2403
02:15:37,200 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 1: Interior actually put up UM a a border fence on

2404
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 1: their property. So they they installed a vehicle barrier UM

2405
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:48,880
Speaker 1: on there because UM Chris was killed from from cross

2406
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:52,920
Speaker 1: border traffic UM that included a vehicle driving over the

2407
02:15:53,280 --> 02:15:56,440
Speaker 1: or driving through the international boundary UM onto the park

2408
02:15:57,240 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 1: and UM and so again Park Service put up that

2409
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 1: put up that that fence UM and that was just that.

2410
02:16:06,080 --> 02:16:09,560
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that that was one of the biggest events. But

2411
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,560
Speaker 1: it was a common occurrence that people would drive through

2412
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:16,120
Speaker 1: UM Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument. And so there were

2413
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:21,680
Speaker 1: hundreds of UM what what they consider UM what Park

2414
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:26,640
Speaker 1: Service considers you know, UM wildcat roads or unauthorized vehicle

2415
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:32,240
Speaker 1: roads UM. And the majority of of of organ Pipe

2416
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:36,080
Speaker 1: it's designated wilderness so there really shouldn't be too many

2417
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:40,320
Speaker 1: roads unless it's been stipulated within the wilderness designation United

2418
02:16:40,400 --> 02:16:46,880
Speaker 1: Nations Protected Site or one of those UM that I'm

2419
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:50,200
Speaker 1: not sure of UM for certain, but I know it's

2420
02:16:50,280 --> 02:16:54,360
Speaker 1: it's designated wilderness. And and there was over the years

2421
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:57,360
Speaker 1: because of cross border traffic, hundreds of miles of these

2422
02:16:57,520 --> 02:17:01,600
Speaker 1: illegal roads UM. And you know, yeah, did border patrol

2423
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:03,520
Speaker 1: use them? Did the public use them? Yes? Because they

2424
02:17:03,600 --> 02:17:07,440
Speaker 1: looked like roads from people just you know, driving across UM.

2425
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:13,120
Speaker 1: We got some funding UM from some from I believe

2426
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:17,000
Speaker 1: it was the UM Secure Fence Act. UM. We got

2427
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:20,440
Speaker 1: some funding to work with Department of Interior UH to

2428
02:17:20,600 --> 02:17:23,000
Speaker 1: do some remediation work along the border. One of the

2429
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:26,840
Speaker 1: projects that we chose to UM that we chose we

2430
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:30,240
Speaker 1: jointly worked with Department of Interior National Park Service UM

2431
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:35,280
Speaker 1: on was to UM do some road remediation on organ pipe. UM.

2432
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:37,760
Speaker 1: So what that what that basically entailed is we took

2433
02:17:38,120 --> 02:17:42,640
Speaker 1: UH aerial aerial photography of the park. We looked at

2434
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:45,720
Speaker 1: all these roads. We looked at where UM border patrol

2435
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:49,800
Speaker 1: had infrastructure, where the park had infrastructure. UM. What roads

2436
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:54,520
Speaker 1: were the traffic patterns for migration? For illegal migration or

2437
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:58,720
Speaker 1: illegal crossings, um. And we overlaid all those. We got

2438
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:01,120
Speaker 1: together with with Parks are Us and we were like, hey,

2439
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, we got there's all these roads here. We

2440
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:05,720
Speaker 1: have some money to do some remediation. Let's start closing

2441
02:18:05,800 --> 02:18:08,200
Speaker 1: some of these roads. And so we spent a lot

2442
02:18:08,280 --> 02:18:11,600
Speaker 1: of money on taking these roads where you know, hundreds

2443
02:18:11,640 --> 02:18:13,800
Speaker 1: of miles of roads. And we would see that these

2444
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:15,879
Speaker 1: roads were going you know, four or five roads going

2445
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,800
Speaker 1: to the same place. Well, you know, really, what's the

2446
02:18:18,879 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 1: need for that. Let's start closing some of these roads.

2447
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 1: So we use that money to do things like, um,

2448
02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:29,720
Speaker 1: what's called I learned the term vertical mulch um where

2449
02:18:29,800 --> 02:18:34,400
Speaker 1: you you put you put up stuff on a roadway, UM,

2450
02:18:34,720 --> 02:18:37,360
Speaker 1: or you put stuff you you put um, you know,

2451
02:18:37,560 --> 02:18:42,200
Speaker 1: foliage and um landscaping on a roadway, so you make

2452
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 1: it look like it's no longer a road and you

2453
02:18:44,480 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 1: just go as far as like the I can see

2454
02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:49,280
Speaker 1: or so like you know, and then you can put

2455
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:54,039
Speaker 1: a sauce. It's it's vertical mulch yeah and so yeah,

2456
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:56,320
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, that's that's interesting. Um.

2457
02:18:56,440 --> 02:18:59,520
Speaker 1: So so we did that on on a whole bunch

2458
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:01,920
Speaker 1: of roads. It ended up being like two over two

2459
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:05,560
Speaker 1: hundred miles of roads UM on organ pipe that we

2460
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:08,720
Speaker 1: were able to um uh you know, to close off

2461
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:15,280
Speaker 1: and that you know, defragments the landscape. So now the wilderness,

2462
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:17,440
Speaker 1: you know, the wildlife has more of an area to room.

2463
02:19:17,480 --> 02:19:20,520
Speaker 1: They don't they aren't like running into road every a

2464
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:22,600
Speaker 1: couple hundred yards or something like that. There's there's more

2465
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:26,080
Speaker 1: area for for for wildlife to thrive and the visitors

2466
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:28,680
Speaker 1: to actually visit and not feel like, you know, they

2467
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:31,280
Speaker 1: feel that, you know, one of the one of the

2468
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:34,840
Speaker 1: characteristics of willderness. They feel that solitude, you know, because

2469
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:37,040
Speaker 1: you are you know, you run into a road when

2470
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:38,800
Speaker 1: you're in the middle of wilderness, you don't really feel

2471
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:41,600
Speaker 1: alone at that point. Sure, right, even you know, even

2472
02:19:41,640 --> 02:19:43,440
Speaker 1: though you may not see somebody on that road, you

2473
02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:47,280
Speaker 1: you know that that moment is kind of if you

2474
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, if you will UM. But yeah, we overall

2475
02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,160
Speaker 1: we restored like two over two hundred miles of road

2476
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:58,920
Speaker 1: UM that year. UM was for me, fairly significant I

2477
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:02,640
Speaker 1: think for really for for border patrol UM, you know,

2478
02:20:02,959 --> 02:20:05,480
Speaker 1: I I hope it was. It was pretty significant because

2479
02:20:05,560 --> 02:20:10,080
Speaker 1: that year the border patrol was actually UM given along

2480
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 1: with National Park Service UM and BLM. We were given

2481
02:20:13,879 --> 02:20:16,840
Speaker 1: the d O I. West Henry Award, which is an

2482
02:20:16,879 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 1: award that's typically UM has been given internally UM within

2483
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Department of Interior for environmental stewardship. Yeah, and so it's

2484
02:20:26,360 --> 02:20:28,600
Speaker 1: it was the first time that they've ever chosen to

2485
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:31,720
Speaker 1: give it to to an outside agency. UM. It was

2486
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:33,360
Speaker 1: because of that project, and it was yeah, and that

2487
02:20:33,480 --> 02:20:35,480
Speaker 1: was part of that was the major reason, because of

2488
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:39,200
Speaker 1: that project, because of the restoration UM benefits from that project.

2489
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:41,840
Speaker 1: That ties into what I was asking about just the

2490
02:20:41,879 --> 02:20:47,800
Speaker 1: amount of UM activity in these very remote areas and

2491
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:50,879
Speaker 1: what the implications are for well I brought up wildlife,

2492
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:54,280
Speaker 1: but wildlife, solitude whatever, right, just it makes it like

2493
02:20:54,400 --> 02:20:57,200
Speaker 1: a buzz with activity. Yeah. Yeah, and that's and that's

2494
02:20:57,240 --> 02:20:59,879
Speaker 1: what that border wall system helps to do real lis

2495
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:03,240
Speaker 1: stically for both sides. It's going to help. It does

2496
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:08,240
Speaker 1: help to, you know, increase that solitude aspect and the

2497
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:12,040
Speaker 1: the the I think that the enjoyment of the resource

2498
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:16,160
Speaker 1: UM when when you have you know, a visitor out there,

2499
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:19,640
Speaker 1: because now it's a little bit more safer, they can

2500
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:22,440
Speaker 1: be a little bit more comfortable. Going back to what

2501
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:25,000
Speaker 1: I was talking about with that road restoration and the

2502
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:28,640
Speaker 1: unfortunate incident with with Chris Egley. You know, because of that,

2503
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:32,760
Speaker 1: the Park Service actually closed like sixty of their park

2504
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:37,119
Speaker 1: because of that. Yeah, because of the restoration aary efforts

2505
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:41,600
Speaker 1: that Border Patrol worked with with Park Service, the park reopen. Now,

2506
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, so this area that had been closed for

2507
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:48,520
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, fifteen years. Um, you know,

2508
02:21:48,600 --> 02:21:51,000
Speaker 1: we were able to reopen that the end and now

2509
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:53,960
Speaker 1: not only can the visitors go out there, but Park

2510
02:21:54,040 --> 02:21:57,120
Speaker 1: Service their researchers and biologists can go back out there

2511
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:00,640
Speaker 1: and do their research, you know, and do what they

2512
02:22:00,680 --> 02:22:04,160
Speaker 1: need to do to help them, you know, catalog you know,

2513
02:22:04,320 --> 02:22:08,640
Speaker 1: the cultural and the environmental significance of that area. That's great.

2514
02:22:09,560 --> 02:22:12,880
Speaker 1: Did closing those roads those roads limit the illegal traffic

2515
02:22:13,000 --> 02:22:15,800
Speaker 1: or do the illegal traffic just change its method? But

2516
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:22,440
Speaker 1: it's you know yes, really yes, yes, yes to both. Um.

2517
02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:27,240
Speaker 1: You know, closing it was again just part of the

2518
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,800
Speaker 1: whole system because we have the infrastructure on the southern

2519
02:22:30,879 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 1: border that helped prevent the um you know, the vehicle

2520
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:38,120
Speaker 1: traffic to go over, and then you have agents, you know,

2521
02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:41,120
Speaker 1: we it wasn't just like we we we put up

2522
02:22:41,480 --> 02:22:44,640
Speaker 1: vertical mulch and you know, walked away. It was a

2523
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,400
Speaker 1: joint effort between us. We put up the vertical mulch,

2524
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:51,320
Speaker 1: We went to we had park service come to our musters,

2525
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:54,360
Speaker 1: talk with the agents, tell them about, you know, the

2526
02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:57,480
Speaker 1: significance for the area, why we need to use certain roads.

2527
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:01,080
Speaker 1: We kept our agents accountable by making um, you know,

2528
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,879
Speaker 1: making them call call in and they call in when

2529
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 1: they go on um these off road um you know,

2530
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:11,640
Speaker 1: unauthorized roads. Essentially we now they're now called temporary tactical

2531
02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:15,280
Speaker 1: infrastructure and they call in when they're going off off

2532
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:17,560
Speaker 1: that road, so we can keep account of, Okay, are

2533
02:23:17,640 --> 02:23:20,240
Speaker 1: they you know, are they using them? How often? And

2534
02:23:20,320 --> 02:23:23,040
Speaker 1: if we need to adjust um those and we we

2535
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:25,160
Speaker 1: still go through every few years, we go through what

2536
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:27,800
Speaker 1: what is currently there, and we'll close off roads that

2537
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,920
Speaker 1: you don't need to be closed off if we if

2538
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:32,760
Speaker 1: we need to to you know, create you know, or

2539
02:23:32,920 --> 02:23:36,439
Speaker 1: utilize a new path that's been that that's been utilized.

2540
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:38,600
Speaker 1: We work with the land managers to see how we

2541
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:41,720
Speaker 1: can affect that, you know, so you know, sometimes it's

2542
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,199
Speaker 1: not necessarily a one for one, but sometimes it works,

2543
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, more in part part service favor sometimes it

2544
02:23:46,600 --> 02:23:50,000
Speaker 1: works more VP favor if you will, but there's still

2545
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:54,160
Speaker 1: that dialogue that we share with with the land manager. Ye.

2546
02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the prong horn rescue okay

2547
02:24:03,720 --> 02:24:07,480
Speaker 1: um because I didn't know that the Border Patrol did

2548
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:10,600
Speaker 1: this until I actually got into this program. But it

2549
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,120
Speaker 1: is one of the funniest times that I have and

2550
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:16,120
Speaker 1: thankfully I get to have it there almost every year. UM.

2551
02:24:16,840 --> 02:24:18,959
Speaker 1: So the Border Patrol works with Fish and Wildlife Service

2552
02:24:19,080 --> 02:24:21,960
Speaker 1: the Sonoran pronghorn um out there in southern Arizona on

2553
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:26,080
Speaker 1: the Cabeza Pritta National Wildlife Refuge. So UM we meet

2554
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:29,039
Speaker 1: throughout the year, but their big thing is that um

2555
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:33,119
Speaker 1: uh there's it's called the prong horn round up UM

2556
02:24:33,400 --> 02:24:39,000
Speaker 1: in December. UM, before December some sometime we set up

2557
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:41,480
Speaker 1: I think it's around September October we'll set up boma's

2558
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:44,680
Speaker 1: and they'll capture some of the pronghorn that are on

2559
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Cabeza Prietta UM and then in December UM Fish and

2560
02:24:48,840 --> 02:24:52,200
Speaker 1: wild Lifestyle, what does the boma trap? A boma is like, Yeah,

2561
02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:55,760
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like like a trap. There like three

2562
02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:01,480
Speaker 1: semicircle um enclosures like a yeah, like a corral. So

2563
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:05,039
Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll get as many prong horn as they

2564
02:25:05,080 --> 02:25:08,480
Speaker 1: can into this area and then in December we get

2565
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:11,880
Speaker 1: together we being Fish and Wildlife Service, Bureau of Land Management,

2566
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:15,800
Speaker 1: Park Service, UM, Arizona Game and Fish UM. They have

2567
02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:21,440
Speaker 1: UM contracts with various veterinarians to come out and will

2568
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:25,680
Speaker 1: go in and there's various steps to the process, but

2569
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:27,760
Speaker 1: we we take out the prong horn one by one,

2570
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:31,080
Speaker 1: we carry them out, they get UM vet checks, UM

2571
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, new radio callers if they need callers UM,

2572
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:39,120
Speaker 1: and then will will redistribute the herd depending on where

2573
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:42,280
Speaker 1: they where they need to go. Because again going back

2574
02:25:42,320 --> 02:25:46,080
Speaker 1: to that Secure Fence Act funding in early two thousand's UM,

2575
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:50,720
Speaker 1: the snow and pronghorn was another research UM UH research

2576
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,199
Speaker 1: funding string that we utilize. They're about fifty prong horn

2577
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:58,440
Speaker 1: um on Cabeza preod at the time UM currently currently,

2578
02:25:58,480 --> 02:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I want to stay somewhere around like four in fifty.

2579
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:02,440
Speaker 1: A few years back, it was like a little over

2580
02:26:02,520 --> 02:26:05,160
Speaker 1: five dred but there's been droughts, there's been some other issues.

2581
02:26:05,720 --> 02:26:08,480
Speaker 1: Is it a hunted population It is not. It's not.

2582
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:12,120
Speaker 1: It's an endangered species UM and so they've been working

2583
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 1: to re establish in on the Cabezi Prietta. So it's

2584
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:22,400
Speaker 1: like a restoration. It's a restoration, yeah yeah, and um yeah,

2585
02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:26,000
Speaker 1: it's it is. It is crazy sometimes of the things

2586
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:29,120
Speaker 1: that that happened, just even just trying to get um

2587
02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:30,840
Speaker 1: these prong horn out because you've got to go in.

2588
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:34,680
Speaker 1: There's i'd say maybe anywhere from seven to twelve of

2589
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:38,720
Speaker 1: us on essentially a tennis net, and you gotta they'll

2590
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:41,800
Speaker 1: put they try to they try to to take you know,

2591
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,360
Speaker 1: there's eighty in the first boma and then they will

2592
02:26:44,440 --> 02:26:46,840
Speaker 1: let down, so they will let down into the second

2593
02:26:46,920 --> 02:26:49,760
Speaker 1: and then the final. In the final boma there they

2594
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:52,560
Speaker 1: try to have like two to three prong horn, so

2595
02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:55,440
Speaker 1: you have two or three pronghorn running around. You get

2596
02:26:55,560 --> 02:26:58,160
Speaker 1: this net and you have to go in and you're

2597
02:26:58,200 --> 02:27:00,880
Speaker 1: trying to to net them, but they're very fragile. They're

2598
02:27:00,879 --> 02:27:03,440
Speaker 1: also super quick and they jumped super high, so a

2599
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:08,280
Speaker 1: three ft net sometimes not even close to enough. Um. Unfortunately,

2600
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:11,600
Speaker 1: one time this we were going in and the person

2601
02:27:11,720 --> 02:27:14,440
Speaker 1: that was the lead, the lead netter, he had a

2602
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:17,640
Speaker 1: catcher's mask on and it was one of my first

2603
02:27:17,800 --> 02:27:19,840
Speaker 1: years doing this, and I was like, why is that

2604
02:27:19,879 --> 02:27:21,920
Speaker 1: guy wearing a catcher's mask, like I got I'm holding

2605
02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 1: this net and I got you know, I got gloves

2606
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:26,480
Speaker 1: on and a hat, and I'm thinking, why is this

2607
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:32,400
Speaker 1: guy wearing a catcher's mask? Where's Yeah? I'm like, what

2608
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:35,040
Speaker 1: what did I sign up to do here? Right? So

2609
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:37,560
Speaker 1: then I just I hear that the gate open, and

2610
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:39,320
Speaker 1: then you've got to be really quiet because you don't

2611
02:27:39,320 --> 02:27:40,560
Speaker 1: want to scare him. And I just hear go co

2612
02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:43,360
Speaker 1: co co co. And so we're starting to we're starting

2613
02:27:43,400 --> 02:27:45,800
Speaker 1: to run run to the door, and the guy slams

2614
02:27:45,879 --> 02:27:47,720
Speaker 1: the door shut, and I'm like, oh my gosh, what happened?

2615
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:49,960
Speaker 1: Like now we're we all kind of sandwich at the door.

2616
02:27:50,440 --> 02:27:52,600
Speaker 1: And then they're like, hey, come here, come here. They're

2617
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,040
Speaker 1: calling another vet, you know, a medic, and they go

2618
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:58,920
Speaker 1: in there and then here some rustling. A minute later,

2619
02:27:59,080 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 1: the guy with the catcher's mask comes out. The mask

2620
02:28:01,879 --> 02:28:04,600
Speaker 1: is like on the side of his face, his nose

2621
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:07,400
Speaker 1: is bleeding, his shirts all caught up, and I'm just

2622
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:12,120
Speaker 1: standing like I'm supposed to be next, Like what is

2623
02:28:12,360 --> 02:28:15,040
Speaker 1: like I looked at what a prong horn was Is

2624
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:17,160
Speaker 1: there really a prong horn in this thing? Or like

2625
02:28:17,320 --> 02:28:19,720
Speaker 1: is this some kind of weird, like you know, interagency

2626
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:23,160
Speaker 1: joke and oh my gosh, but it turns out it

2627
02:28:23,320 --> 02:28:25,840
Speaker 1: was just prong horn. But they are so fast and

2628
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:29,600
Speaker 1: so feisty. Um. But it's a you know, it's a

2629
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:32,360
Speaker 1: great time. And I never thought when I got into

2630
02:28:32,400 --> 02:28:34,880
Speaker 1: the Border Patrol, I never thought that this would be

2631
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:38,000
Speaker 1: an opportunity that I would have like pronghorn Yeah well

2632
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:41,200
Speaker 1: not even yeah, pronghorn wrestling when you when you boil

2633
02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:43,280
Speaker 1: it down, but the fact that like I get to

2634
02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:45,080
Speaker 1: come to work and one of my jobs is to

2635
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:49,280
Speaker 1: interact with an endangered species and be part of be

2636
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:53,320
Speaker 1: part of a project that hopefully rehabilitates, you know, and

2637
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:57,600
Speaker 1: re establishes an endangered species you know, on on Earth,

2638
02:28:57,879 --> 02:29:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, and in the country, like for some kid

2639
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:04,440
Speaker 1: from Oak Carbor who went to you know, Washington State

2640
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:08,520
Speaker 1: University and ends up, you know, helping to re establish

2641
02:29:08,600 --> 02:29:11,840
Speaker 1: an endangered species. Like that's I never thought that that

2642
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:17,519
Speaker 1: my life would lead to something like that, ye unexpected

2643
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:20,560
Speaker 1: turns man. Oh yeah, yeah. And that's the great thing

2644
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:23,320
Speaker 1: I think that with the Border Patrol, um, is that

2645
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:27,920
Speaker 1: I think people don't often see just how diverse the

2646
02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:31,080
Speaker 1: job can be, you know. Um, they think, oh, you're

2647
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 1: just going to be out along the border, you know. Well,

2648
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,880
Speaker 1: yeah you may, you know, for a little bit. But

2649
02:29:35,959 --> 02:29:37,920
Speaker 1: then look, you could be working with these you know,

2650
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:41,640
Speaker 1: these aerostats. You could be you know, playing bagpipes. You

2651
02:29:41,720 --> 02:29:44,600
Speaker 1: could be you know, you could be you could be

2652
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:47,480
Speaker 1: working with pronghorn. There's so much when I could see

2653
02:29:47,480 --> 02:29:51,120
Speaker 1: where people would have I don't have it, but I

2654
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:53,320
Speaker 1: could see where people would have a limited view of

2655
02:29:53,400 --> 02:29:55,640
Speaker 1: the job. But I guess I've just spent enough time

2656
02:29:55,760 --> 02:30:00,280
Speaker 1: down in border country where I recognized the complexity of

2657
02:30:00,400 --> 02:30:04,400
Speaker 1: the role and all the different you know, I guess

2658
02:30:04,440 --> 02:30:06,320
Speaker 1: if you're down there and you're observant, you just see,

2659
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 1: um how wide reaching and complex it is. But I

2660
02:30:11,720 --> 02:30:14,600
Speaker 1: think that you could come from a certain very narrow

2661
02:30:14,920 --> 02:30:18,920
Speaker 1: view and and just get an idea of what people

2662
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:22,360
Speaker 1: are up to. That's a little bit reductive mm of

2663
02:30:22,680 --> 02:30:25,280
Speaker 1: what's going on. I haven't personally felt that way though,

2664
02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, I look at them like that. That's like

2665
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:32,240
Speaker 1: a lot, there's a lot happening with a lot of ramifications. Man,

2666
02:30:32,680 --> 02:30:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if you're looking to get into a

2667
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:38,600
Speaker 1: federal job and make a difference the the the United

2668
02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:40,720
Speaker 1: States border controls, one place where you can do that

2669
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:44,240
Speaker 1: just because of the the great deal of things that

2670
02:30:44,320 --> 02:30:46,240
Speaker 1: we do. You can go and you can patrol on boat,

2671
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:48,880
Speaker 1: you control on a TV, you can patrol on horseback,

2672
02:30:48,959 --> 02:30:51,480
Speaker 1: you control my vehicle, UM, and we have all these

2673
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 1: other programs that you grow that you can go into

2674
02:30:53,879 --> 02:30:56,240
Speaker 1: and do that you can actually make a difference if

2675
02:30:56,320 --> 02:30:58,840
Speaker 1: something is important to you. So if if the environment

2676
02:30:58,959 --> 02:31:01,160
Speaker 1: is important to you, we have an we have an

2677
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,800
Speaker 1: avenue for that in the Border Patrol. If if wildlife

2678
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:05,560
Speaker 1: is important to you, we have an avenue for that

2679
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:09,280
Speaker 1: in the Border Patrol. And fighting narcotics is important to you,

2680
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:11,840
Speaker 1: we have an avenue for that in the Border Patrol.

2681
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:14,280
Speaker 1: So that's one thing the Border Patrol gives it. Most

2682
02:31:14,720 --> 02:31:17,920
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies don't have is they're sort of they're

2683
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:20,320
Speaker 1: sort of focused on on one thing where we're trying

2684
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:22,760
Speaker 1: to focus on, but we have to focus on so

2685
02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:25,800
Speaker 1: many other things just just just because of the virtue

2686
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:27,680
Speaker 1: of the way we do our jobs. I'll tell you

2687
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:32,320
Speaker 1: one area you guys aren't focused. UM have Lena Intel

2688
02:31:32,400 --> 02:31:36,400
Speaker 1: for me and we listen. We might be down in

2689
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:38,920
Speaker 1: that spot in mid February. I expect it to be

2690
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:41,560
Speaker 1: a little different when I run into this year. Now

2691
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,200
Speaker 1: that you made that public, and keep an eye in

2692
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:48,800
Speaker 1: your inbox. Probably I want those guys be ready to

2693
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:51,120
Speaker 1: air drop way points because like, don't play dumb with me.

2694
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:53,039
Speaker 1: I want to make sure one more thing we covered

2695
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:56,800
Speaker 1: before we go. Since we've given you some tools. Going

2696
02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:59,520
Speaker 1: back to your your fish gate thing, here, I'm gonna

2697
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 1: depute eyes you as a junior board. Here's your This

2698
02:32:04,040 --> 02:32:08,720
Speaker 1: gives you no authority whatsoever. Wear it with pride, and

2699
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:12,240
Speaker 1: I hope you find a solution to the fish gate.

2700
02:32:12,400 --> 02:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh when I'm doing my fish don't, I want you

2701
02:32:15,720 --> 02:32:18,280
Speaker 1: to be able to display say that for when you

2702
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:21,840
Speaker 1: get your polygraph, when you hook them up to the

2703
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:24,800
Speaker 1: machine and you start watching them, they will give you

2704
02:32:24,920 --> 02:32:30,840
Speaker 1: that get Their eyes are gonna be twitching just seeing that. Well,

2705
02:32:30,840 --> 02:32:34,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys coming down, man um. I've always

2706
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:37,280
Speaker 1: been real fascinated by it. Again, just like time spent,

2707
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:42,440
Speaker 1: and like Southern Texas, a lot of time we're spending,

2708
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:46,960
Speaker 1: uh the Sonora Arizona. You know, just be like, what

2709
02:32:47,080 --> 02:32:50,400
Speaker 1: are those guys up to? Well, we appreciate the opportunity

2710
02:32:50,400 --> 02:32:52,840
Speaker 1: to come on. It's a great opportunity for us to

2711
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:55,039
Speaker 1: come and show the work that we're doing in the board,

2712
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 1: which to give give your listeners and everybody else out

2713
02:32:57,959 --> 02:32:59,200
Speaker 1: there and the idea of the things that we do,

2714
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:01,240
Speaker 1: and give than them a better idea of the things

2715
02:33:01,240 --> 02:33:03,040
Speaker 1: that we do. So we appreciate the opportunity to come on.

2716
02:33:03,160 --> 02:33:06,520
Speaker 1: It's great, man, it's been educational. Stay safe, guys. Thank you,

2717
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:08,600
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for having us, Thanks for having us.

2718
02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:10,720
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it, man, it's excellent. Thanks a lot