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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Now we're back with you again to talk about the

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Speaker 1: wonderful world of movies and whatnot. Danielle, what is up

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Speaker 1: with you?

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Speaker 2: I've had like, I've had a week where I wasn't

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Speaker 2: able to get much extracurricular stuff done. Yes, but I

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Speaker 2: did watch the first episode of Blackbird, the new Tarren

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Speaker 2: Egerton series on Apple TV. O. Let me just say

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Speaker 2: in terms of the show, there's a lot going on

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Speaker 2: in the show, in terms of like Raliota, it's like,

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Speaker 2: I think one of his last roles.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, so tell me what it's about. I

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Speaker 1: know nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, it's about this guy in the nineties who's

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Speaker 2: a total drug dealer and gun dealer, and he goes

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Speaker 2: to prison for guns and drugs with guns and drugs, uh,

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Speaker 2: And they basically give him a ten year sentence, and

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Speaker 2: then they offer to commute his sentence if he transfers

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Speaker 2: into a super tough prison and tries to find out

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Speaker 2: from a serial killer where all these bodies are buried.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise they're going to have to let this serial killer

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Speaker 2: out of jail, like he's going to have an appeal

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Speaker 2: and he might win his appeal. So it's very like,

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Speaker 2: oh he's got a timeline and oh there's all this

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Speaker 2: stuff going on, and like, oh, he's in jail, but

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Speaker 2: oh he did. Like it's just like all this stuff

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Speaker 2: going on. Oh, so it's very and I it's based

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Speaker 2: on a true story. I don't know how much of

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Speaker 2: it is true in the show yet, but like Dennis

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Speaker 2: Lahane is a producer and creator, and so it's very

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Speaker 2: like that. It's very lahiney. But I just I just

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Speaker 2: have to say, and perhaps I almost I almost did

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Speaker 2: a screenshot and texted you this because Taron Egerton got

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Speaker 2: so swollen for this fucking roll shit, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: he did not have to do that to us.

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Speaker 1: Yo, he was he was under some total fitness control,

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Speaker 1: is what you're telling.

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Speaker 2: He was under total fitness control. He was eating chicken

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Speaker 2: and broccoli and then deadlifting four hundred pounds. Just go

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Speaker 2: ahead and look up a picture Taron Egerton Blackbird. Just

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Speaker 2: take a moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh, please, were about to do this right now.

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Speaker 2: A R d A R O n O O n

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Speaker 2: E g E r t O n like.

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Speaker 1: Is it what kind of Terran?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's see and Blackbird?

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Speaker 1: Oh black I gotta put in blackbird because all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff. Okay, let's see.

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Speaker 2: Oh do that image search?

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, wait is that a photoshop of his head?

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's not no that This is what I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about. I thought I was gonna get a little

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Speaker 2: nerdy Terran Eggerton show. He is so fucking jacked.

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Speaker 1: Is he working out in prison? Is this what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Looking at right now? Oh yeah, he's doing fucking like

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Speaker 2: two finger push ups and shit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, this just changed everything. It literally okay,

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Speaker 1: no shade, uh sir, no shade. It looks like your

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Speaker 1: head is photoshopped on like Arnold Schwarzenegger from Commando's body.

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Speaker 2: It's totally destabilizing, right.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: I was just I was shaken. I was not expecting

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Speaker 2: anything like that. I thought I was getting a little

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Speaker 2: nerdy Terran eggertin little Kingsman like fit, but nerdy, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: And he did not have to do this to us.

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Speaker 2: He did not have to go this hard.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, this is like kinda beyond Tom Brady.

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Speaker 2: I keep saying Tom Brady, He's on the brain.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what the fuck his name is Tom

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Speaker 1: What Marty, Tom Hardy, Tom Brady sucks.

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady rules, and also come at me. I don't

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Speaker 2: give a fuck. I'll spend all day in the DMS

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Speaker 2: talking about how much Tom Brady sucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at him, he's not our people.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Tom Harty rules, and Tom Brady can eat

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Speaker 2: eighteen hundred bags of fucking cheeseburgers and potatoes and other

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Speaker 2: shit he avoids all the time. Tarn Egerton, rocket Man

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Speaker 2: Egerton did it to us.

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Speaker 1: I am so flustered. I turned my camera off. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: And he's straight fucking in this show. Uh uh, it's

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Speaker 2: not right. It's not right. I don't appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: This is a personal vendetta against you. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: somebody is like fucking with you big time.

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Speaker 2: One, because he's also out here doing interviews and being like, yea,

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Speaker 2: I hope I get to do a third Kingsman, and

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Speaker 1: You don't what the fuck I'm gonna have to deflate?

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Speaker 2: How are we gonna explain Eggy? Yeah, you gotta deflate

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Speaker 2: big How are we gonna explain Eggy?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: He comes back looking like fucking trog door the burdenator.

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Speaker 2: Let some of that fucking open that vow, Let some

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Speaker 2: of that air out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or bear Min's you're gonna have to go in

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Speaker 1: like Tom Hanks and the Boss Luhrman movie and just

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Speaker 1: put on pun on some prosthetics because we don't believe

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Speaker 1: you in this You're not your your prison jack.

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Speaker 2: You're not.

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Speaker 1: A sophisticated suit guy. Your ricket souits in half when

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Speaker 2: Although and yet again he didn't have to do it

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Speaker 2: to us. There is a scene turtleneck, black turtleneck, gray

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Speaker 2: suit looks so fine. Yeah, and I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: little tear little Taron Egerton. Let me ask you, it

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Speaker 2: is like in his thirties ps. But little Taron Egerton

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Speaker 2: had the goddamn all Dad City.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had the fucking he had the fucking balls

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Speaker 1: to do it. Let me ask you, this is he

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Speaker 1: doing an American accent in this in this, in this film,

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Speaker 1: in this uh series, in this series.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he fucking is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let I have to go you. I have another question.

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Speaker 2: Is he good at it is? Okay? It's like Midwest

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Speaker 2: American accent. So it's not like Chicago or New York,

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Speaker 1: And as a Okay, as an Anglo file, I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you this question specifically because do you feel

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Speaker 1: like British, Irish Scottish people do better American accents than

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Speaker 1: Americans doing those accents?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? Are you kidding me? A series of the

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Speaker 2: how many seasons of The Wire did I watch before

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Speaker 2: I realized that half of those motherfuckers were British? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 2: same thing with Battlestar, Butlaca, half of those motherfuckers are British.

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Speaker 2: Jamie Bamber is not American, and like he's straight up

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Speaker 2: talks like me, yeah, And then you hear Americans doing

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Speaker 1: Like or whatever, and you're just like, what this is terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. I don't know why, why they're not getting

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Speaker 2: the same voice coaches, I don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 2: but it is always distracting to me when an American

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Speaker 2: does any other accent, like you're nave pulling it off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think it's like every time, Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching somebody from like the hard fucking streets of like Boston, Chicago, Baltimore, Memphis.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I find it later in a Google starch

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Speaker 2: What how is that putting? Every time? Every time they're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this guy's from like Barnstable for fucking kill Kenny, You're like, what,

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Speaker 2: he's running.

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Speaker 1: Those moors with the fucking Kate Bush Dancer and Olivia

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Speaker 1: de Hablin from the Arrass like and I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: you sound like you literally are cop from fucking Memphis.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: And what I love is when you see that switch

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Speaker 2: when you're like, all right, I just watched this whole

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Speaker 2: both of their accents are lovely? What the fuck?

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Speaker 1: So you're saying you watched the first episode of The

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Speaker 1: Blackbird and you're in.

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Speaker 2: I'm fucking in, Yeah, I'm fucking in And actually I

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Speaker 2: think so I watched the first one, I fell asleep.

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Speaker 2: of the reason I was gonna text you is I

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Speaker 2: woke up at the end of the episode. Literally didn't

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Speaker 2: see a minute of it, like, just fell asleep during

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Speaker 2: the credits. But I woke up at the end because

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Speaker 2: Dead Stummies fuck Off. So I wake up out of

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Speaker 2: all walls the walls a girl, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: what am I having a fucking what is this nightmare? Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's my own room. It's also one hundred goddamn degrees

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Speaker 2: in my house right now. Oh Jesus, So it's entirely

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Speaker 1: So y'all are gonna have to if you have no

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Speaker 1: fucking idea what we're talking about right now, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to go to one of our bonus episodes. Said

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Speaker 1: us when we record bonus episodes, And this is not

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Speaker 1: that Danielle had never heard about the ladiest singer of

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Speaker 1: the Crushedest Dummies having three testicles.

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Speaker 2: And that's why his voice is so low. Yes, it

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Speaker 2: the point where the man has probably spent more of

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Speaker 2: his life explaining that he does not have three testicles

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Speaker 2: than he did be in that band.

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Speaker 1: That's why he's like, I can't wait to get this

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Speaker 1: am tired of answering the three fucking balls question. And

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Speaker 1: I need, I need a check, I need I need something.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have talk about this non existent ball for

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Speaker 2: the rest of my got damn grown ass life. Someone'll

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Speaker 2: going pay me. Well, look.

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Speaker 1: Like you. I recently watched the first episode of a

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Speaker 1: new television show.

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Speaker 2: Ooh which one.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Rehearsal, and it is Nathan Fielder's new

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Speaker 1: show on HBO Max. If you don't know Nathan Fielder,

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Speaker 1: he did Nathan for you on Comedy Central many many

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Speaker 1: years ago. Extremely extremely funny and awkward, uh and funny. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: let me just tell you. Nathan Fielder got jacked for

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Speaker 1: the no he did not get.

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Speaker 2: Like it is the most full day job I've ever

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Speaker 2: I'm casting, absolutely not. This is like the minute I

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Speaker 2: Like I will buy those depends, We will go out,

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Speaker 2: It's too early. I don't know yet. But one of

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Speaker 1: Listen, you manifest that shit real early. You wrote a

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Speaker 2: I wrote a check. I threw like Jim what was

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Me.

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Speaker 1: You Grandma, we started Magic City as you do. Then

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Speaker 2: that was like a big news story. Yes, it'll be

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Speaker 2: like that, but us, Oh.

435
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Speaker 1: Yeah, shit, McConaughey fucking lived in a tent when he

436
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta, and we can do that. I will

437
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: fucking share a tent with I got.

438
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Speaker 2: No problem with that, by the way, Like I'll go

439
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: down there. I will go down there.

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00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: Listen. We can get one of those five hundred dollars

441
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: like ri I tents with like multiple rooms. We can

442
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: just go glamping.

443
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: Also, Grandma is absolutely tapping out after that first meal

444
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: because she will get diarrhea. She will be spending the

445
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: rest of the night on the toilet while we were

446
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: running around.

447
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: Listen.

448
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: And also, I also don't know if I can say anything.

449
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: We might have to cut this casey sorry some of it,

450
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 2: or beep names or something. But yeah, the.

451
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Drama of a name beep really gets me.

452
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: Let me say some more names we can beep. These

453
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: are all people I'm meetings with next week. Let's talk

454
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: about these movies. Let's let's get into these movies.

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Speaker 1: I am really really fucking excited this week. Listen, this

456
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: is gonna be.

457
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Speaker 2: This is one of those.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those, one of those I literally cannot

459
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: wait to talk about your film. I've seen it before,

460
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: and actually I saw it fairly recently in the past

461
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: couple of years, but for some reason I have a

462
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: whole new attitude towards it. Right now.

463
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: I am livid. So my original film that I picked

464
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: for this theme was available when I picked it and

465
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: now is nowhere to be found on a streaming service.

466
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Speaker 2: And as you know, I'm a fan of physical media,

467
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: but we try to do streaming that's available in most

468
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: places because we want you to watch the movies.

469
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Because when it comes down to it, like I mean,

470
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna admit to doing anything illegal.

471
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: Why would I do that in a public forum?

472
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: Never?

473
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Speaker 1: But I know people who know people, and usually like

474
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Speaker 1: I can go, you know, into my little dark corners

475
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: and find just about everything right, and as could pretty

476
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: much anybody at this point. But it was actually really hard.

477
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: Like your original film, I was like, damn, this is

478
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: a real deep cut. And I kind of don't know why.

479
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Because it is so popular and it's talked about and

480
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: it's based on a book, on a famous book. I

481
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: just couldn't believe it.

482
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: But it has been wiped from the internet. It has

483
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: been scrubbed, as if every single person in the cast

484
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: committed some kind of crime against a child. Like it

485
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: has just been scrubbed.

486
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know actually what the deal is with it.

487
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's likely music thing, but who knows. But yeah,

488
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: so then you had to make a real fast pivot,

489
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: just like I had to when we did the heart

490
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: Throbs episode. The Tiger Beat. Hearth Throbs episode changed the

491
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: game considerably.

492
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: Oh guess what same thing happened. You had to change

493
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: your movie And you were like, I hate every moment

494
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: and that, but I.

495
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: Love the pureness of that emotion is so raw when

496
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: that happens that it makes it kind of fun. So

497
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about our theme this week.

498
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of simple, but I also want to know,

499
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: like a little bit more about it because I feel

500
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: like it's your theme. I feel like you picked it

501
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: this week, I think. So okay, so what is the

502
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: name of our theme?

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00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: So our theme this week is the kids are not alright?

504
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: A rise, Yeah, they aren't actually all right at all.

505
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: And this is also like there's so many films that

506
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: we could have potentially picked, obviously, because God love a

507
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: fucking fucked up kids movie, right, like absolutely, and there

508
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: have been so many. And there's also like movies that

509
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: are accidentally fucked up that involve kids, like weird kind

510
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: of like animated, like you know, Willie Wonka and the

511
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: Chocolate Factory type of sh But I think we are

512
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: more talking about movies about scary teenagers or like you

513
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: know that air or that age group maybe teenage to

514
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: like early twenties.

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00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it comes from a place of my own,

516
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: just my own reckoning as I get older, with looking

517
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: at the things that I did and that I liked

518
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed when I was a teenager, and how

519
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: it was crucial to the fundamental part of my development,

520
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: but also so terrifying to look at now and looking

521
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: at current teens and kids and feeling like, oh my god,

522
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: we made the worst world for you, Like how are

523
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: you surviving any of this shit that we are all

524
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: complicit in building for you?

525
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know what's funny is that I had

526
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: to catch myself because I'm very quick to be like,

527
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: I think every generation does this, like every person is.

528
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: Like when I was growing up, it was wild. I

529
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: was wild. I had a job when I was six

530
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: years old in the factory, And all the kids now

531
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Speaker 1: are so protected. I'm sure that this has been happening forever, right,

532
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: And so I have to catch myself whenever I'm like,

533
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I remember when we did the

534
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: episode with Leaida, you know, a few a few episodes

535
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: back where we were talking about sort of being around

536
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: the same age and being sort of like on our

537
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: own a lot, especially when it came to like watching

538
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: TV and watching movies, and there was like no parental

539
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: guidance when it came to like, you know, watching things

540
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: on TV or HBO or whatever.

541
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: And I had to catch.

542
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: Myself because there was a moment where I was thinking like, oh,

543
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: this is just such a a gen X thing and

544
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: it's not. I'm sure there are still people whose parents

545
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: are too busy to like really be monitoring what they're

546
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, for sure. I mean, my own sister

547
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and her husband have a hard time regulating what her

548
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: sons are watching on fucking YouTube. It's a wild, wild scenario.

549
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Good. Well, Also, did you read that that there was

550
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: some article in The Times. My friend Jessica Gross writes

551
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: a parenting column for them, and she wrote about how

552
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: a lot of iPad games were just like She's like,

553
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: her kids were just playing this weird iPad game and

554
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: it was basically like help this character give birth and

555
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: like foot fetish, Like all kinds of weird fucking games

556
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: started popping up.

557
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: Yo. There was a game that one of my youngest

558
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: nephew was playing. I think it was not even on

559
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: It was on like a Amazon, yeah iPad it was.

560
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: It was like a kid's iPad and it was basically

561
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: like helping a pregnant mom like put lotion on her

562
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: body and stuff. And it was like, huh, okay, okay,

563
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, far bread for me to teach

564
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: a fucking five year old how to put lotion on

565
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: a grown woman. But I was like, it's just a little.

566
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Off to me because it's a straight serial killer move.

567
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: It's like, let's teach this kid how to cute skin

568
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: moist for no fucking reason at all. Like there's no

569
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: way you can monitor half of the shit the kids

570
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: are exposed to now, because that looks probably like an

571
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: innocent game if you're just walking through the room. Yeah,

572
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: but if you stop and look at that shit for

573
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: five minutes, you're like, why is he putting cream on

574
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 2: a fucking C section scar? What is happening?

575
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: Oh?

576
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

577
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: And like and I've heard so many stories about like

578
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: YouTube like this kind of like weird phenomenon of like

579
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: kids watching what they think is kids programming, but it's

580
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: actually like snuff move of snuff.

581
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Movie or whatever.

582
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, I guess it's a long

583
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: way from like the dick on the Little Mermaid cover

584
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: or whatever.

585
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: It's like we.

586
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't have it rough, maybe we had it easy,

587
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: like count Daniel Tiger's hemorrhoids.

588
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: I believe it.

589
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Fucky're terrible.

590
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: I want it on a mug. I want it on

591
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: a mug.

592
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: But it's that thing where like, yeah, I have to

593
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: catch myself from thinking that I like lived this like

594
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: really lawless existence. But I mean, there are kids are

595
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: like growing up in their own ways. But I also

596
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: think that like a lot of I think both of

597
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: our movies are eighties films yep, right, And I think

598
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: my my film is more like these are teenage girls,

599
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: and it was kind of early eighties, so it was

600
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: like and it deals a lot with like punk rock,

601
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: which is like its own like little corner of the

602
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: weird universe. And your film. It's really strange because I

603
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: watched it. It's like i'd seen it in the eighties

604
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: or maybe in the early nineties, and then I saw

605
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: it again a few years ago, and then I saw

606
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: it again for the podcast, and for some reason, they

607
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: seem younger than the than the roles that they're playing

608
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: in a weird even though I know they were probably

609
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: age appropriate, but they just seem younger. I don't know why.

610
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: I know, I think it's because it's again, it's like

611
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: we got old. Because when I first saw my movie,

612
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: I remember being a little kid watching my movie and

613
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: being like, oh my god, being an adult is going

614
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: to be so complicated and intense, and I'm gonna need

615
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: some like a core group of friends to get through

616
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: this shit, because look at how hard life is. And

617
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: now I'm like, who are these babies? Like what are

618
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: they gona play about it?

619
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: And also, oh my god, I mean this, I'm gonna

620
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: sound like a complete fucking sociopath, But I'm like, do

621
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: we really need that many friends?

622
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: Like fucking friends are in this crew? Oh, this is

623
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: a fundamental issue I have with my movie. And it's

624
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: like from literally minute one of the movie where you

625
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: see all of them walking out of a graduation and

626
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's too many people. You only need to

627
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: talk to one person at your graduation.

628
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: Too much drama with these seven people that I'm constantly with,

629
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: how is that even fucking possible in this day and.

630
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: Age since dearly, Unless you're in a fucking commune or

631
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: a cult, you don't need seven friends all at the

632
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: same time who are also friends.

633
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: Also, I just spilled an entire thing of water on myself,

634
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: so this is like a wet sweatshirt contest. I apologize.

635
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: I'm jealous both of you. In casey, I'm jealous that

636
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: water is even a fucking degree below ninety eight. I'm jealous.

637
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Here's me flash Dancing you right now

638
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: with this cold water fuck Well, listen, I can't wait

639
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: to talk about these films. They're kind of way different,

640
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: but I feel like they're all The kids in these

641
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: films are fucked up, and I can't wait.

642
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: To talk about it. So, well, you're going first?

643
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have going first. So my film for

644
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: the theme that kids are not alright. It's a movie

645
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty two. It was written by Nancy Dowd,

646
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: although the screenwriting credit went to Rob Morton, directed by

647
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Lou Adler, and it's called Ladies and Gentlemen The Fabulous Stains.

648
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: Karen Burns, what are you going to do? My name

649
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: is not Karen Burns. Oh what is it? It's third

650
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: degree Burns.

651
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm the lead singer and manager for the Stains. All right,

652
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: So right off the bat. One sentenced synopsis of Ladies

653
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: and Gentlemen The Fabulous Stains. A group of teenage girls

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Speaker 1: start a punk rock band and slowly take over the

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Speaker 1: music world. But yeah, that's how it works.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I personally have loved this movie for a really long time.

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Speaker 1: I wrote about it for the book that I wrote,

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Speaker 1: So I'll try to just keep it brief. Because I

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Speaker 1: know I can talk a long time about it. So

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Speaker 1: this movie was directed by Lou Adler, and if you

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Speaker 1: don't know him, sort of automatically from hearing his name,

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Speaker 1: he was a really big music producer. He developed several

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Speaker 1: famous artists such as The Mamas and the Papas and

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Speaker 1: Carol King. And he also, you know, he kind of

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Speaker 1: started directing and producing more films in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: like he produced the Rocky Horror Picture Show. He directed

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Speaker 1: up in Smoke, Cheech and Chong movie. So you know,

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Speaker 1: just know he's a music mostly as music producer guy,

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Speaker 1: but went into film at some point. I want to

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Speaker 1: focus mostly on Nancy Dowd. Prior to this film, she

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Speaker 1: wrote a film that Danielle and I love very much

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Speaker 1: and have referenced several times on this podcast without actually

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Speaker 1: having done an episode on it, and that is the

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Speaker 1: classic hockey film slap Shot starring Paul Newman.

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Speaker 2: Okay, beautiful and like perpetually offensive and fantastic, right beloved film.

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Speaker 1: I know that we're not the only people that loved it.

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Speaker 1: And she actually won an oscar for Coming Home. She

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Speaker 1: wrote Coming Home, which is the Jane Fonda, John Voyd movie.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. She had had all this success

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Speaker 1: in the seventies and then in the late seventies Nancy

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Speaker 1: Dowd sol Ramones in concert and decided she wants to

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Speaker 1: write a movie about female punks. And keep in mind

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Speaker 1: this there had been pretty much little to know movies

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Speaker 1: centered around girls in rock music, let alone the punk scene,

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Speaker 1: so you know, this idea was pretty fresh, and Nancy

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Speaker 1: Dowd brought in this woman named Carolyn Kohon. She was

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Speaker 1: a writer for Melody Maker, which was this British music magazine.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're still around, but.

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Speaker 2: I think they holded like it's surprisingly later than you

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Speaker 2: thought they would have folded. Okay, got it.

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Speaker 1: They were definitely around when I was like in high

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Speaker 1: school in college because it was like a big brit

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Speaker 1: pop magazine. I remember reading about Blur and Oasis in

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Speaker 1: Melody Maker. But Carolyn Coon also at one point managed

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Speaker 1: the Clash, and she was brought on as a consultant

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Speaker 1: on The Fabulous Danes because you know, Nancy Dowd wanted

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Speaker 1: to be really authentic about everything and maybe relating to

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Speaker 1: this as well. They cast a lot of real life

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Speaker 1: punk musicians in the film. So you have Steve Jones

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Speaker 1: and Paul Cook from the Sex Pistols in the movie,

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Speaker 1: Paul Simonon from The Clash, members of the Tubes, Black

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Speaker 1: Randy and the Metro Squad, which they're like a legendary

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Speaker 1: kind of la avant garde band. So there was like

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Speaker 1: legit folks in this movie. And so you have all

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Speaker 1: this like actual punk pedigree, right, and then you have

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Speaker 1: these three actresses who are playing The Stains, this female

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Speaker 1: fronted punk band. Okay, they were all actresses in their teens.

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Speaker 1: You have Diane Lane, famous Hollywood actress Diane Lane, who

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Speaker 1: played the lead singer of The Stains. Her name is Krinn,

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Speaker 1: third degree Burns, incredible, greatest, greatest name. She was fourteen

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Speaker 1: years old when they filmed this movie.

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Speaker 2: She looks like such a baby, like truly such a baby.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, a lot of people know Diane

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Speaker 1: Lane in her like adult career, but then when you

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Speaker 1: look at the Stains, you're like, oh my god, she's

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Speaker 1: so baby faced. She was only in one other movie

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Speaker 1: before The Fabulous Stanes, which you think is kind of incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Additionally, you have famous Hollywood actress Laura Dern. She was

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Speaker 1: also in her early teens when she played I guess

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Speaker 1: it's the cousin her kreen Burns's cousin. Her name is

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Speaker 1: Jessica McNeil. That's her character's name. And then you have

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Speaker 1: Marian Canter. She was the oldest of the three, but

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Speaker 1: not by much, and she was she plays Karn's sister,

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Speaker 1: and she's like the guitarist from the band. And Marin

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Speaker 1: Canter was like in probably like a half dozen movies total,

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Speaker 1: and she hasn't been in movies for a really long time.

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Speaker 1: I think she just kind of retired from the business.

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Speaker 1: But she was in this amazing movie called The Loveless

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Speaker 1: that was directed by Catherine Bigelow and Monty Montgomery. It's

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Speaker 1: like this biker this crazy kind of like early eighties

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Speaker 1: biker movie with Willem Dafoe and it's really it's really

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Speaker 1: like over the top. It's just very like homo erotic

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Speaker 1: and it's like kind of like an art piece. But

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Speaker 1: she's in that film and she is not even much younger.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe they were made around the same time.

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Speaker 1: Even so, anyway, that's who's in the film. So you've

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Speaker 1: got like legit teenage girls, a bunch of punk rock

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Speaker 1: guys and Christianty. Yeah, exactly, exactly, and few other adults.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The plot of the story kind of goes like this,

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Speaker 1: So Krinn and Tracy are sisters. They're they're they're living

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Speaker 1: in kind of like this economically barren sort of like

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Speaker 1: northeastern town. I feel like it's in Pennsylvania or something

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Speaker 1: like that. I'm not entirely sure where it is. But

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Speaker 1: essentially Krin is like a real firecracker. She's like fucking

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Speaker 1: real hot to trot.

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Speaker 2: She is.

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Speaker 1: She hates where she's from. Her mother has just recently died,

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Speaker 1: and she's basically like working a fast food job and

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Speaker 1: she's fired from her job. But basically, like the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the film is kind of set up like this

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Speaker 1: kind of news magazine show and there's this reporter that's

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Speaker 1: interviewing Krinn, and essentially it's like it's kind of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, like kind of this showcase about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the disaffected youth of America, and they're all just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, going to hell in a handbasket. And they

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Speaker 1: somehow have footage of her firing, being fired from her

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Speaker 1: fast food job, and basically, you know, they're sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Krinn and she's agitated and she's you know, basically

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Speaker 1: aloof and avoided, and she's like smoking cigarettes and then

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Speaker 1: she starts painting her eyelids with like this bright eye pencil.

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Speaker 2: She starts like answering like a robot, Like she is

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Speaker 2: just like, fuck, y'all, yes.

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Speaker 1: Totally, just like I couldn't fucking be less interested in

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Speaker 1: doing this. And you know, the reporter's like, you're unemployed

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Speaker 1: and you're cynical and you're broke, and she's just like, well,

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Speaker 1: I got a punk rock band. And she introduces the

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Speaker 1: rest of her band, and it's like, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: Tracy and Jessica, and they're just vacant, vacant stares, all

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Speaker 1: three of these girls, and it's just sort of that

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Speaker 1: thing where you're like, oh yeah, like the like they're

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Speaker 1: they're obviously like punk rock in that sense of like

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Speaker 1: it feels like you're watching, you know, the decline of

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Speaker 1: Western civilization. You're just watching these girls sort of just

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Speaker 1: being like, I fucking hate society and I'm just like

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Speaker 1: not interested in, you know, playing nice or anything. So

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Speaker 1: cut Tokrinne. She goes to see a concert and it's

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Speaker 1: this band called the Looters, and there's this other band

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like more of a prog rock glam

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Speaker 1: era band that's sort of trying to hang on to

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Speaker 1: like the Old Ways or whatever. They're called the Metal Corpses,

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Speaker 1: and it's like they're just like these two bands that

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Speaker 1: couldn't be more different from each other. The Looters are

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Speaker 1: kind of this like you K. Punk, like a very

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Speaker 1: sex pistols clash type of band. And essentially she's she

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Speaker 1: goes to see this concert and then the manager, who

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Speaker 1: is this guy named Lawboy, he is like, hey, do

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Speaker 1: you want to just join the tour? And he's never

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Speaker 1: seen the Stains play yeah at all.

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Speaker 2: It's like I heard about you, you want to join? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So basically they just go on tour with

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Speaker 1: like these two bands, and they don't have any musical experience,

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Speaker 1: Like they just get up there, like it's just like

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Speaker 1: a drummer, not even a drummer, there's no drummer, guitar

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Speaker 1: player and like a bass player. And then Krinn is

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Speaker 1: just saying.

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Speaker 2: Which is so it's so incredible, Like that series of

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Speaker 2: scenes is so fundamental to me as a young person

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Speaker 2: watching this film too, because it's like that is the

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Speaker 2: feeling that we so rarely see exhibited on screen about

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Speaker 2: the passion of teen girls, where they just they wanted

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Speaker 2: to do something and they tried it, and we venerate

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Speaker 2: that shit with teen boys all day long, Like they

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Speaker 2: just picked They didn't know how to play a lick

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Speaker 2: at music, and they just picked up their guitars and

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Speaker 2: isn't it great? Now they're a green day. Like we

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Speaker 2: just do that all the fucking time and give boys

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Speaker 2: that leeway, and I think girls end up growing up

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Speaker 2: feeling like they have to be perfect. It is something

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Speaker 2: right away to even try it. And so I just

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Speaker 2: love seeing on screen just the fucking ballsiness of someone

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Speaker 2: who's like, I have nothing to goddamn lose. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: what do I lose by staying in this town and

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Speaker 2: working at this fucking fast food joint? Why wouldn't I

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Speaker 2: just get up on stage and have fun?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I love it too, and that that's like one

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Speaker 1: of the core fundamental aspects of this film is just

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Speaker 1: this idea that these girls have nothing to lose and

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Speaker 1: they don't give a fuck anymore. And it's kind of

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Speaker 1: just like, like so much create native shit can just

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Speaker 1: spring from that. And but here's the thing about krit

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Speaker 1: is that she's very fucking savvy, and she says to

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Speaker 1: herself effectively, I get we don't have any musical experience,

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Speaker 1: but I also believe in creating a look and a

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Speaker 1: persona for ourselves, which includes She starts, you know, basically

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Speaker 1: dyeing her hair and it's in this like black and

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Speaker 1: white pattern, and then wears this kind of like it

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Speaker 1: seems very like proto kind of Riot Girl. It's like

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Speaker 1: a sexy outfit with like a sea through blouse and

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Speaker 1: she's got very extreme makeup though it's very like Susie

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Speaker 1: Sue or Divine or something, and it's just kind of

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Speaker 1: that jextaposition of like, I'm wearing like sexy clothing, but

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Speaker 1: I'm also like not, You're also gonna have to deal

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Speaker 1: with the fact that my hair is crazy and I've

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Speaker 1: got crazy makeup. It's this thing where you're like, you know, kiling, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm yelling, and it's just this It's very effective and

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Speaker 1: it hurt. Their looks in the film are the best.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just you look at this and you're like,

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Speaker 1: fast forward ten years and that is Riot Girl, pretty

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Speaker 1: and simple. But here's the thing. They're on stage there

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Speaker 1: and they are, you know, gaining some fans and they're

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Speaker 1: getting some momentum, but like they also realize that touring

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Speaker 1: fucking sucks and it's un glamorous and it's sort of dangerous,

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Speaker 1: and they're hanging out with these like older guys and

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Speaker 1: like one of the metal corpses like fucking overdoses in

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Speaker 1: the bathroom and it's like, I mean, the girls are

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Speaker 1: just sitting there going like, damn, that's fucking rough. And

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Speaker 1: to me, it was like as if you were watching this,

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, these girls are on the

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Speaker 1: road and they're watching a dude od. I mean, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you think about that and you feel like

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Speaker 1: you just want to protect them a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. But it's very ballsy of them to have

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Speaker 1: done it, which I also think is remarkable, right.

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Speaker 2: Completely complete, and to really put themselves in situations where

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Speaker 2: they were it's very naive. There's a lot of naivete

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Speaker 2: and like that I can take care of myself in

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Speaker 2: situations that I'm unfamiliar with kind of way of thinking.

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Speaker 2: But they also kind of could back it up, like

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Speaker 2: they kind of could take care of themselves also, and

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Speaker 2: they had each other I think that was also like

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Speaker 2: crucial to them going through these experiences, like they had

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Speaker 2: each other totally.

866
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: And so Carrinne, you know, they they as they're just

867
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of on the road performing, she starts kind of

868
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: giving these very passionate speeches, right, and she includes this

869
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: phrase we don't put out, which I feel like is

870
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: it seems like kind of a clar and call for

871
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, women's independence and self reliance and saying like

872
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: you see us dressed up in these like very skimpy outfits,

873
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: but we don't put out. We don't fucking put up

874
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: with you. We don't put out we're not gonna fuck you,

875
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: like we're here to fucking rock, right, And it's a

876
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: very like I said, it's a very effective statement in

877
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: the film, because soon enough, the band starts getting the

878
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: attention of you know, other television producers, primarily this this

879
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: female journalist who's hosting like a news magazine show herself,

880
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: and so they start getting all these followers of these

881
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: like young female fans and they're dressing like them and

882
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: there they start calling themselves the skunks because they're they've

883
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: got that black and white striped hair, right, So they're

884
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: getting all this attention and so at the same time

885
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: there's like all these grown ups guys in the band.

886
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: The Looters, lead singer is played by the British character

887
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: actor Ray Winstone, who we have talked about before on

888
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: this podcast.

889
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: He is he is a bag of nails yes, and

890
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: anime and nails yes.

891
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: And he's very much like in that style, like a

892
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: John Lighten like kind of guy, right, and he's watching

893
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: them sort of take the spotlight, you know, He's watching

894
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: the Stains kind of get this momentum and he's getting

895
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 1: annoyed as shit with them, while the same time he

896
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: kind of begins this like briefling with Krinn and but

897
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: it ends very quickly once Krinn figures out that Billy

898
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: has like secretly asked law Boy to hire another band

899
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: to replace the Stains. Right, So, in response, the Stains

900
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: start covering one of the Looter songs in their set,

901
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: which is it's a fucking badass move so great, it's

902
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: that yeah, join the Professionals. I think that's the song.

903
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's actually called, but it enrages Billy.

904
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: It enrages him and.

905
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: He's well, he's pissed, like from the jump because he

906
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: feels like they are not getting the acclaim that they deserve. Yeah,

907
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: and he's pissed that, like like we're opening for these

908
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: fucking old men, and like just so he's he's singing

909
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: about the lack of wanting to join the establishment, but

910
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: also very much wanting to be the established or the

911
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: establishment version of like he wants their band to be

912
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: like famous and well known.

913
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so basically from here, I there's a part

914
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: of the end where I have to spoil it because

915
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: I have to. It's it's part of the history of

916
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: the film, which is very interesting. But just know that

917
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: beyond this point with Billy, like things start changing on

918
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: the tour that basically he starts, Billy starts kind of

919
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: starting his own rants at the beginning of their show

920
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: about authenticity and stuff, and then a lot of stuff

921
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of happens amongst like the skunks and the stains,

922
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: and so a lot of stuff kind of goes into

923
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: motion by this time. But I will say this, Nancy Dowd,

924
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: the screenwriter of the film, and Lou Adler, the director,

925
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: they clashed over the ending of the film, and Nancy

926
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Dowd actually left the film and had her name removed,

927
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: which is why the official screenwriter for the film is

928
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: listed as Rob Morton. It's a fake name, damn.

929
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

930
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of interesting history to this film

931
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: because it was shelved for it basically sat untouched for

932
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: two years, damn, because there was this fight about the

933
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: ending of the film, and essentially what happened was Dowd

934
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: wanted the end of the movie to be like the

935
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: stay and start touring England and kind of move on

936
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: with their like punk careers overseas, and lou Adler, after

937
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years, decides that he finally wants to

938
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: give it an ending, and then he made the ending

939
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: to where the stands are kind of like this more

940
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: polished MTV version where they're on, you know, making videos,

941
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: and that they seem to have some kind of commercial success, right,

942
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: And that is the ending of the film as it

943
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: is right now. But it's it's interesting because it really

944
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: wasn't Nancy Dowd's vision at the end of the day.

945
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: And I wish we got to see that vision because

946
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: I think that's more it's it was more unique for

947
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, it was more in line of the

948
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: direction they were heading all throughout the film. Yeah, and

949
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: I feel like it was it's not necessarily a cop out,

950
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: but it's kind of like the way that it was

951
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: presented that like they were just fine with being this

952
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: pop version of themselves. Yeah, and like it just it

953
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 2: just did not really match the like the narrative of

954
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: the movie didn't really take us to that place, I think. Yeah.

955
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: And it's also kind of like they shot at like

956
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: two years or something after they had shot the film,

957
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: So Diane Laying the actress herself looks different and stuff.

958
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: So it's like it feels very tacked on. And you know, yeah,

959
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. It would have been incredible

960
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: to see that other version, but obviously they didn't film it, right.

961
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: I will say this if you can track this down.

962
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: This is on the internet somewhere. But in the late nineties,

963
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: the late director Sarah Jacobson, who was herself a female filmmaker,

964
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: died young tragically, but she made this documentary short called

965
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: the Fabulous Stanes Behind the Movie, and it's definitely out

966
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: there on the internet to watch. But she interviews Nancy

967
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: Down and she talks about she experienced some sexual harassment

968
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: on the set of the film and explains sort of

969
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: why she left the production the way she did, and

970
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: then just also like seeing the reaction of the film

971
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: now because it's kind of got this new it kind

972
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: of got this cult following because it was this thing

973
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: where you know, they had waited a few years to

974
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: make an ending. It wasn't the ending that the screenwriter wanted,

975
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: and it was shelved by the studio because it was

976
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: like a commercial. It was just a flop, right, And

977
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: what ended up happening through the power of like late

978
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: night TV like Night Flight and stuff that was happening

979
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: in like the late eighties early nineties, and also rep

980
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: screenings that like you know, places like the New Beverly,

981
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: like the places that we've talked about on the podcast,

982
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: but also in like all these other cities. This it

983
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of became like a cult film. And so in

984
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: a way that in that documentary short Nancy Down talks

985
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: about sort of the new life that happened after it

986
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: kind of got rediscovered.

987
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:00,720
Speaker 2: Awesome.

988
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: But that also this movie became like very influential for

989
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these like female musicians in the nineties,

990
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: and it became this big riot girl film. I mean

991
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of like women who were making music in

992
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: the nineties and sort of were in those punk worlds,

993
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: had talked about The Fabulous Stands being an influence on them.

994
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: So I think that's like super cool that happened to it.

995
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: And like you said earlier, like it kind of explains

996
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 2: why or how so much of the look of the

997
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 2: film survived and was altered and kind of became the

998
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: foundation of Riot Girl and you know, more modern punk

999
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: and like it it's like something that you can pay

1000
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: homage to and acknowledge the cultiness of the film while

1001
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: also making something new and cool and interesting. And like

1002
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: when when you hear Carinne shouting you know, we don't

1003
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: put out, it just reminds me of like Kathleen Hannah,

1004
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: Girls to the Front, and like there's just so many

1005
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: little ways that the film survived before it was even

1006
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: like a popular film. Again, Yeah, and I really dig that.

1007
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: I too, And I mean, somebody, I know so many

1008
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: cool people who love this film. And you know, there's

1009
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: so many people that have championed nancied out as the

1010
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: screenwriter and like the women who were involved. And it's

1011
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: crazy because you think about I don't know this now.

1012
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to keep comparing this movie to something

1013
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: that would happen now in a way, because again I

1014
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: don't want to, like, I know, I don't want to

1015
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: be that like stuck in my generational fucking purist type,

1016
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: but like, you know, to have these young girls be

1017
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: on a movie set like this with these punk rock guys,

1018
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: these actual fucking punk rock guys, you know, and just

1019
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: also just like the message of the movie being like

1020
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: here these young girls have formed a band. Who have

1021
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, decided to like really like give their fucking

1022
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: middle finger to like their hometown and the shit that

1023
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: they put up with, to like kind of live their

1024
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: own lives. I mean, I think it's incredible. Like, I

1025
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: don't know, it made me miss Riot Girl. It made

1026
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: me miss that sort of like that instinct for young

1027
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: women to like fucking play punk rock like instead of

1028
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: like whatever. I don't know, I don't want again, I

1029
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: don't want to keep judging younger people for what they do.

1030
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: But it made me miss that time where it was

1031
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: like I miss fucking girls starting bands and fucking like

1032
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: yelling at people and like being confrontational and having that

1033
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: like punk energy. Oh, I just didn't miss.

1034
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: It so much. And here's the thing though, that kind

1035
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: of thing comes in waves, and a lot of it

1036
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: is dictated by how women are being treated in current society.

1037
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, when this movie came out,

1038
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: like you said, it's kind of on the heels of

1039
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 2: second wave feminism, but you know, equal rights and bodily

1040
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: rights and bodily autonomy was still very much the order

1041
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: of the day in the nineties when you had Riot Girl,

1042
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 2: same thing. It was like, you know, fighting for abortion rights,

1043
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: fighting for or healthcare. Like just I think that that's

1044
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: I think that there is a new wave of punk

1045
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: coming and I think that in a lot of ways,

1046
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: it's you know, you see a lot of people who

1047
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: still play that style, like the Linda Linda's are great,

1048
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: and like a whole bunch of like bands who play

1049
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: that style of music. Well, I think the anger and

1050
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 2: the lack of give a shit is coming back. We

1051
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: will see it again because of what is happening in

1052
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: America specifically, but all over the world to women's rights

1053
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: being dismantled. And I think that the instinct to yell

1054
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: at and fight back is going to come back in

1055
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: music as well.

1056
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hope so. And got to say love

1057
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: this film. I know it had like some bumps in

1058
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: the road, But I think Nancy Doubt is such a

1059
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: great screenwriter. And you know, I feel like Laura Dern

1060
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 1: and Diane Lane and Marien Canter are like the cool

1061
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, they were in the fucking they're in

1062
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: a fabulous state. I'm like, damn, we.

1063
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: Stand legends, and then we're on to still have like

1064
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: unbelievable careers in every possible way.

1065
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: Totally, totally, totally, totally. So anyway, thank you so much.

1066
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm thank you for letting me pontificate on it because

1067
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: I love it too much.

1068
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: But uh oh, anytime, I love listening to you talk

1069
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: about movies you love. Yes, that's why we have this pod.

1070
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about your film, now, shall we.

1071
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So I just said we have this pod to

1072
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: talk about films we love. But that is not always

1073
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: the fucking case. Ah, And this goddamn film is public

1074
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: enemy number one again not my first pick. So my

1075
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 2: movie for our theme of the Kids Are Not All

1076
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: Right was released in nineteen eighty five. It was directed

1077
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: by Joel Schumacher and the screenplay is by Joel Schumacher

1078
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 2: and Carl Kurlander, and it is Saint Elmo's Fire.

1079
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember who met who first, or who fell

1080
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: in love with who first. All I can remember is

1081
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: the seven of us always.

1082
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: Together strap the fuck in. So I believe there was

1083
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: an episode where Millie already told us about Joel Schumacher. Ah,

1084
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 2: so I will not be going too deep on Joel Schumacher.

1085
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: We'll put it baby in the episode notes, which episode

1086
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: you can listen to if you would like to deep

1087
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: dive on him. But I will say this movie is

1088
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: very schumacher esque and how fucking angry it made me.

1089
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: Every choice made me angrier than the next. So my

1090
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: one sentence synopsis of Saint Elmo's Fire is seven recent

1091
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: Georgetown graduates flex the kind of privilege that will be

1092
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: the downfall of the nation in a mere thirty years,

1093
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: while pretending that they have real problems.

1094
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: My god, you read them to philth.

1095
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: A.

1096
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: Thank God.

1097
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: And this is one of those cases where the cast

1098
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: is unfuck withable in terms of like eighties Royalty. We

1099
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:30,479
Speaker 2: have Demi Moore playing Jules, Andrew McCarthy playing Kevin Judd

1100
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: Nelson and his nostrils playing alec Oh Mayor Winningham playing

1101
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: Wendy rob Lowe playing Billy, Emilio Estevez playing Kirbie, and

1102
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: Allie Sheety playing Leslie, and honorable mention Anna Maria Horsford,

1103
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: who was Thelma and Amen also shows up as not

1104
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: only the only black person in the film, but of

1105
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: course because she's the only black person in the film,

1106
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: she's a sex worker. She's goddamn hilarious in this film.

1107
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: In this movie from.

1108
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: Amen, thank you for saying amen, because that's the only

1109
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: like that was like my first and only thought.

1110
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like, you do not have to push me

1111
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: to bring up a Sherman Elmsley jank.

1112
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: You obsessed with Amen, but you continue.

1113
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 2: You never have to push me to bring up Sherman

1114
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: Him Helmsley joint. So these assholes all hang out at

1115
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: a bar called Saint Elmo's like they don't have real responsibilities.

1116
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: And I'm going to describe each character before I describe

1117
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: some of the scenes in the film as a way

1118
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: to just really center you in what I'm talking about

1119
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: and who I'm talking about. Because this movie is all

1120
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: over the place. It suffers from a little light thing

1121
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: I like to call too much story all over the place.

1122
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: Here's here's how the kids are not all right, I'm

1123
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: gonna do I'm going to do both. A. Here's how

1124
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 2: they're not all right and here's their lowest moment. Okay, perfect,

1125
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: So Jules to me more character, Jules is not all

1126
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: right because she is a cooked who lives on credit.

1127
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: Her mouth writes checks that her ass cannot cash. She's

1128
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: fucking her boss in an effort to keep her job,

1129
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: and she lives in a pepto pink apartment with a

1130
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: gigantic Billie Idle mural on the wall, including a neon earring. Okay,

1131
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: and her lowest moment is when she tries to freeze

1132
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: herself to death rather than face her problems. That's Jules, okay.

1133
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: So, first of all, I don't even know what to

1134
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: say about Jewles because she is just like, she's so messy.

1135
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: That's what they would call her. She's so messy, Jules.

1136
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: She is so She's the kind of person who will

1137
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: call you at three o'clock in the morning and be like,

1138
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: can you please come get me. I'm doing a bunch

1139
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 2: of coke with a bunch of guys and I think

1140
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: I heard them say the word gangbang. And then you

1141
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,479
Speaker 2: get there and she's like, what's up? And they're watching

1142
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: EMPTV and she kind of.

1143
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: Is like incessantly like bad mouthing her stepmother, who is

1144
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: in a coma. Yes, and she's like complaining about having

1145
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: to like possibly pay for her funeral costs, And we

1146
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe her stepmother is like the step father

1147
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: the Terry O'Quinn film.

1148
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: Who knows. And also, nobody is putting you as their

1149
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 2: next of kin if they're an asshole, Like, no one's

1150
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 2: doing that as a joke. Like I'm at the end

1151
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: of my life and I need some help, ha ha.

1152
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: Let me get this asshole who I don't like very

1153
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: much like she clearly, I think the stepmother was probably

1154
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: a better person than Jules painted her out to be.

1155
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so hard to tell. I think that's

1156
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: probably why this movie is so uneven, as there's so

1157
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: many big questions. But her character in particular, I think

1158
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: is seen more or less as like the messy one. Yeah, right, absolutely, Anyway,

1159
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: I know you're about to reveal all the other characters

1160
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: in the film, but she is who I wanted to

1161
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: talk about.

1162
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about mess for sure, because we got

1163
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: Kevin coming up next. And Kevin is not alright because

1164
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: he's he's a fledgling writer who's upset with where his

1165
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: career is. He's in love with his friend Leslie. He

1166
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: has a coffin for a coffee table, and he constantly

1167
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: talks very cynically about love, like somebody will be like, oh,

1168
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: the grass is green, and he's like marriage is a sham.

1169
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: Like he's just constantly, just like on one about how

1170
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: much love sucks. His lowest moment is that he fucks

1171
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: on that coffee table, which does not even happen in

1172
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: Interview with the Vampire. A movie laden with coffins and

1173
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: nobody's fucking on them. But Kevin finds a way. And

1174
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: he also dresses like Carmen san Diego for some reason

1175
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the movie when he takes Billy

1176
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,479
Speaker 2: to the bus so they'll like going to New York City.

1177
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: Like he's just he is so scattal, he's just so

1178
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: all over the place. Kevin is infuriating to me because

1179
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: he's one of these guys who's like trying to be

1180
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 2: cool and he's obsessed with a terrible director, and he

1181
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 2: like he's he's like singing Aretha Franklin, Like he's just

1182
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: the most suss white dude.

1183
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely fucking sus right, dude, just like neurotic, chain smoking

1184
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: writer who's like tortured and I'm like, oh my god,

1185
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 1: he owns bongos And it's sad because I fucking loved

1186
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: Andrew McCarthy. I'm like, out of all the brat pat guys,

1187
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: I was like, here's my guy, and.

1188
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: Uh, of course he was, because he's the sensitive weirdo.

1189
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: Yes, but I hated him almost fire. I hated him,

1190
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: And so.

1191
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a real story aside from like, I

1192
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: love this lady who's in a relationship with one of

1193
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 2: my other friends exactly like that's his stories, Like I

1194
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: don't have sex because I'm in love with someone and

1195
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, fine, like fucking deal with your shit.

1196
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of we've got Alec. Alec is not alright because

1197
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: he's a He's a budding Republican who thinks marriage will

1198
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 2: stop him from cheating on Leslie.

1199
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: Oh boy.

1200
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: His lowest moments are when he demands that he keeps

1201
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: a Billy Joel all his Billy Joel records during a breakup,

1202
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: gross or possibly proposing to Leslie, and then two minutes

1203
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: later kicking her out of their apartment during the middle

1204
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 2: of a party, like those are low moments. Also, he

1205
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: has like a tower records wall of glass cubes for

1206
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 2: a bedroom wall, like it's just it ain't right. He

1207
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: ain't right. And they have like a huge Nike fucking

1208
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: mural on their apartment wall.

1209
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's like the epitome of like eighties yuppie shit.

1210
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, so distractingly bad. So alec ain't alright.

1211
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: Wendy or Mayor Winningham character is not alright because she's

1212
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: in love with a fuck boy and she still lives

1213
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: with and is funded by her parents who are greeting

1214
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 2: card store magnates.

1215
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of whom is Martin Balsam, by the way,

1216
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 1: Craggy Hot Royalty.

1217
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 2: Craggy Hot Royalty, Martin Balsam, and her lowest moment there

1218
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: are too many to count. This bitch lives in the

1219
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: gutter in this movie. She is always in the always

1220
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: the down of the dumps. There are too many to count.

1221
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: Every moment is a low moment for Wendy.

1222
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: Yo. They purposely made like this is the thing about

1223
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's like I'm gonna say justice for Wendy,

1224
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: but I just I'm going to because they purposely, i think,

1225
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: dressed her in like these terrible like Deluthe Trading Company

1226
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: fucking yellow bean jumper things, and I'm like, y'all are

1227
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: making her look terrible exactly. She she hangs out with these,

1228
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: she hangs out with jewels, and she's wearing like cow

1229
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: jumpers from you know, fucking Upper Peninsula. Shit. I'm like,

1230
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: what is going on here?

1231
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: And they also make her her earnest and this seem

1232
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: like a defect. Like she works in an office for

1233
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 2: you know, she helps a lot of people who are

1234
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 2: on welfare, and she like works at a soup kitchen

1235
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: and her friends are constantly like making fun of her

1236
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: for it. Yes, fucking ghouls, ghouls.

1237
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: Fucking ghouls, and it's set thing where again we've talked

1238
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: about this in prior episodes. It's like, take a beautiful

1239
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: Hollywood actress and make her frumpy by like giving her

1240
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: fucking linebacker shoulder pads and shit, and like making her

1241
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: wear like ugly Kathy baits and misery clothes.

1242
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 2: And I'm like, come on, give her like a fucking

1243
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: Laura Ingele's gunny sax dress and some dusty boots, even

1244
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 2: though she's in the middle of the city, some fucking

1245
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 2: prairie boots like some fucking scrungey socks. Goddamn. And she's adorable.

1246
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: Mayor Wenningham is so adorable and always has been, and

1247
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 2: they did her so dirty in this movie.

1248
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 1: They did.

1249
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 2: And I mean, we're gonna get back to some Wendy

1250
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: shit because we got to talk about another character. But

1251
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: we've got Kirby, who is played by Emilio Sevez. Kirby

1252
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: is his not al rightness is that he is a

1253
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: straight up stalker. Yes, and somehow they try to make

1254
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: this like the sweetest storyline in the movie. He is

1255
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: a straight up stalker, including but not limited to, some

1256
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: of his lowest moments, driving to a ski lodge in

1257
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 2: a convertible, switching from law to medicine in order to

1258
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: stalk harder, throwing a party at his new boss's house

1259
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: for a woman who didn't even say she was coming,

1260
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 2: and wearing suspenders in a bow tie, which I know

1261
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: this is his uniform at work, but it just looked

1262
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: so goofy and bad.

1263
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. I mean, there are several points

1264
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: of this movie that do not translate well. Yes, in

1265
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: the modern world, but damn this guy is. I don't

1266
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: know if they were trying to pull some like John

1267
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: Cuzac can say anything shit, but it was bone chilling.

1268
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,719
Speaker 2: My house. My stomach dropped every time he was on screen.

1269
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 2: And he has never looked more like his dad, Like

1270
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 2: he looked so cute, Like, he's never looked more like

1271
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: Martin Sheen. Absolute creep factor of forty five, like just

1272
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: off the chains creep factor. This is one. When I

1273
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 2: was watching it, I was like, you know those those

1274
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 2: YouTube videos where people cut like the Shining to look

1275
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: like a rom com. I wish someone would cut this

1276
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: trailer to look like a fucking horror Oh my god.

1277
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: Like I actually thought when when he goes up to

1278
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: the winter House to see Annie McDowell and her boy,

1279
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: like you know, basically he's trying to confront Annie McDowell

1280
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 1: finally and she's with her fucking boyfriend or husband, I

1281
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: actually thought misery was going to happen. Like I was like, Oh,

1282
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna trap these people in the Winterhouse and cut

1283
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: off one of their feet.

1284
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 2: Or whatever, like where it is a little fucking necklace.

1285
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: Holy sh Yeah, it was scary, terrifying, and yeah, he

1286
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: had so many low moments, and I cannot believe that

1287
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: his not alrightness was just like he's a soccer. We've

1288
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: got Leslie, our Ali sheety character, and Leslie's not all

1289
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 2: right because she's afraid to say the word feminist. But

1290
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: she also doesn't want to get married until her career

1291
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: is in full swing. Yes, and I'm like, just say it, dude,

1292
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 2: just say it. Say you might not ever want to

1293
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: get married, or you at least don't want to get

1294
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: married right now, like she does. Keep saying it to

1295
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: her credit, but like she's saying it to a fucking chump.

1296
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 2: Her lowest moments two crucial ones. One she dresses like

1297
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: Mary Todd Lincoln, Like I don't know who the fuck

1298
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: was the costumer for this goddamn movie.

1299
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: Schumacher used to do costumes, so I'm surprised that it

1300
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: went so badly.

1301
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: This bitch is in straight up Doiley's and half the

1302
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: fucking movie. And her other low moment is saying, during

1303
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: a breakup, I'm taking Riller and Moller's ninth like those

1304
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: are her choices of records and she's breaking up with Alec.

1305
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, I have to be honest with you. During

1306
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: that whole scene where she they were like yelling about

1307
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: the record collection. I hated my generation. I was, oh

1308
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,440
Speaker 1: my god, I hate chen X, like for this bullshit

1309
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: of like the fucking like, well you don't get I'm

1310
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: hitting the stranger by Billy Joel because that means something.

1311
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, fuck, are people like who gives a

1312
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,560
Speaker 1: goddamn fuck about these records? And yet we have a

1313
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 1: ten minute scene yes, where these two people got audish

1314
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: out like this, and I'm like, I hate and the scene.

1315
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: Should have been like you, Alec, have been fucking people

1316
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: NonStop for the entirety of our relationship and you just

1317
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: got mad because I fucked one other person. Yeah, can

1318
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: we get some justice? Oh my god. Yeah, that whole scene.

1319
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: I I'm with you. It was infuriat And I'm like,

1320
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: we need to focus, like gen X, come on, let's

1321
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: focus up. We need to focus fucking hell. And then

1322
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 2: speaking of focus, we got Billy Wow. Now Billy's not

1323
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: all right because he wears a saxophone like a necklace.

1324
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: He plays said saxophone. Wow. He says things like this

1325
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: face seats five as a pickup line, and he is

1326
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: constantly cheating even though he is married with a kid.

1327
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: Plus his he exists to take advantage of Wendy, like

1328
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: she's paying his rent, she's fucking giving him money. Give

1329
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: it him a right. He crashes her car. He gets

1330
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: gets drunk and crashes her car, and she's like, it's okay,

1331
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: my dad will take care of it. Like he is

1332
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: just taking advantage of his his his friends quote unquote,

1333
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: the friends in his life exists for him to take

1334
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: advantage of them. Yep, and his lowest moments. We genuinely

1335
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: do not have enough time. He is another one who

1336
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,759
Speaker 2: lives in the gutter in this movie.

1337
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's messy too. He's very messy.

1338
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: He's a mummy bitch, such a fun boy.

1339
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: I I have like al like every time I watch

1340
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: this movie, I alternate between like thinking Rob Low because

1341
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: I never liked Rob Low in this era, Like he

1342
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: was not my favorite male brad packer. Come on, it

1343
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: was Andrew McCarthy. There are times in this movie where

1344
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: I'm like he's so gross. Other times this movie like

1345
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: I can see it. I can see it, like might

1346
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: I be his Mayor Winningham just like giving him two

1347
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollars all the time to be like here's your

1348
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: rent money. You're so attractive. I never you're aimless and

1349
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: a fuck boy. But I can't help but give you money.

1350
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1351
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: There was a moment where I was like, Okay, I.

1352
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: Say it, but see this is where we go to

1353
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: joint therapy and I'm like, yes, therapist, we need to talk.

1354
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: I'm afraid my girl's gonna Backslidecaday.

1355
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 1: She decided that she thought Rob Lowe from saying Almo's

1356
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: Fire was hot, and we don't know why she keeps doing.

1357
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: This, and we can't have that, especially after that Halloween

1358
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 2: sax party. Oh, I cannot with this bit that song.

1359
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 2: They were trying so hard to have a lost boys

1360
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: moment that was never going to come, never, never gonna come.

1361
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: It was so it made me so mad that he

1362
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 2: kept playing that song. He kept playing it. I'm like,

1363
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: we need two seconds of this, That's all we need.

1364
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: Two seconds. He plays saxophone. We know this already because

1365
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: he wears it like a fucking necklace. He does not

1366
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: have a case for it. He gets out of a

1367
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: car in the middle of the day when they are

1368
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: clothes shopping wearing his saxophone. It was like illegal in

1369
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 2: the eighties to put it in a fucking case, so

1370
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 2: we know he plays it. We don't need this song

1371
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 2: to go on for eighty minutes, dand do do do

1372
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 2: do like it is.

1373
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: Horrifying, horrifying, and like even Tim Capello knows when to quit,

1374
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: like he knows when to fucking the solo was going

1375
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: on too long.

1376
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1377
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: People are just feeling sorry for you.

1378
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: Fucking Billy is just up there sweating on people genuinely.

1379
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 2: Oh this this is an eighties move that I do

1380
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 2: not miss. And I've not been to the concert in

1381
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 2: a long time, so I don't know if like your

1382
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: panic at the discos or whatever doing this, but he

1383
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 2: like leans into the crowd and shakes his sweaty head

1384
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: all over a fan quote unquote, I will arrest you,

1385
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: my citizens arrest oh if you drop your sweat on me.

1386
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm literally I'm literally like taking you to

1387
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: the FBI. Get away from me, and you know.

1388
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: Me, like I'm fuck the police all the way. I

1389
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: will arrest you. Yeah. And here's here's the other.

1390
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: Thing about Billy two that is so fucked up is

1391
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: that he has a wife and child, like.

1392
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 2: A new baby. Like when they show his family, you're

1393
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: like that baby is fresh out of the oven. That

1394
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 2: baby is brand fucking new and absolutely still needs like

1395
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 2: you in their life. And also, how did you get

1396
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:17,839
Speaker 2: married and have a baby when you just graduated college?

1397
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: Bro? They show the baby's face. Yeah, I'm like, they

1398
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: show the baby, and I'm like, you don't need and

1399
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: not even in this cinematic moment, do you feel the

1400
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: weight of the responsibility of this. You're like, they show

1401
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: the baby's face smiling at you, and he's still like, yeah,

1402
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: still don't fucking want want that baby. Oh my hope

1403
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: my wife gets married to her old high school boyfriends

1404
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: who I don't have to fucking deal with it.

1405
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: At one point, he says like, I'm thinking to being

1406
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: one of those on the weekend dads. I'm like, oh,

1407
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: you mean a fucking dead beat. Like he's absolutely not

1408
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: hanging out. I'm not saying that weekend parents are dead beats.

1409
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying he specifically would never show up. Like it

1410
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: is never going to happen. He's going to be gone

1411
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 2: or fully present because he is unemployed and living in

1412
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: that house and that kid will be seeing him every day.

1413
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 2: There is nowhere between for Billy.

1414
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: Rough And I mean it's like he can't even pay

1415
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: his own rent. Oh, so it's like he's not gonna

1416
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: pay a child sport. Let's get serious.

1417
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: He can't keep a job. He's not even paying for

1418
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 2: his own life.

1419
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: Did you not feel sorry for the fucking Korean guy

1420
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: that they kept fucking over throughout.

1421
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: The film, mister Kim. Here's how I feel about mister Kim,

1422
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 2: because mister Kim first employed Billy, and Billy straight up

1423
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna fuck your like limousine driver whoever

1424
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: that he while, or your girlfriend or whatever. He just

1425
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: straight up took that job and was like, he's out

1426
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,679
Speaker 2: of town. I'm taking over this life. Fool me once.

1427
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: Mister Kim then hires Kirby, another one of Alex's friends.

1428
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: Right after he hires Billy, and fucking Kirby throws the

1429
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: party at his house. Fool me twice. Dude, mister Kim,

1430
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 2: either stay your ass at home and stop being a

1431
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: fucking diplomat, go to a goddamn service and get a

1432
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: real person to help you with this job. Don't listen

1433
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: to Alec anymore, but like, stop listening to this fucking dude.

1434
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: He's giving you all his dirt bag left over friends.

1435
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: There were so many times. You're absolutely right. There are

1436
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: so many times in this film where I think antics

1437
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: were supposed to have been funny, Like this is like

1438
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: there was a lot of like parts of the plot

1439
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: that we're supposed to communicate, aren't these Aren't these kids

1440
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: just like a fucking riot, Like they've known each other

1441
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: for so long, they went to college together. They have

1442
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: like a fucking college chant that they do when they

1443
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: hang out.

1444
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 2: They have a laugh, a certain laugh laugh.

1445
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: It's like like they're all so different. There's like a

1446
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: messy one, there's like a rock and roll one, there's

1447
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: a there's a preppy one, and like when they do

1448
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: things that are fucked up, we're all supposed to be like,

1449
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: ain't it great to know them? I was like, this

1450
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: was one of the moments where I was like, Yo,

1451
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: you fucking trash this guy's house. Like at least two times,

1452
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 1: like to completion to completion, they were like, oh.

1453
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: Is this a ming boss, Let's break that. Billy didn't

1454
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: get that one. We will take care of it. It

1455
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: was like straight up like a pizza on a record

1456
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 2: player kind of trashed, Like.

1457
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was trash. And to say nothing of the

1458
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: fact of the scene where they all have to like

1459
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: save Jewels from her, like, oh, I'm trying to freeze

1460
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: myself situation. And they have to go and get like

1461
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: a fucking blowtorch to take off metal bars. And they're like, oh,

1462
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what we gotta do, and I'm like, God, damn,

1463
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 1: what the fuck.

1464
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about that scene? Because when Jewels has

1465
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: her breakdown, essentially she has been borrowing against her paycheck,

1466
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 2: so she's not getting paid at work anymore because they're like,

1467
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: you always two months worth of money, so like you're

1468
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 2: not getting paid her, she's running up her credit. She

1469
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 2: has the most gigantic jars of coke I've ever seen.

1470
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: They're like test tubes. They're huge.

1471
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: I literally thought that was like night cream.

1472
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not like the thing. The jar was so back.

1473
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's her night cream oven. No,

1474
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: that's not her cocaine. That's all of her cocaine, all

1475
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: of her cocaine. It looks like that those tubes of

1476
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: glitter that you get at school. It's huge.

1477
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: So like she's already and she's using her credit card.

1478
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 2: She's living like life's a party, you know, until it's not.

1479
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 2: And everything catches up with her, like she's she's Leslie

1480
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:28,560
Speaker 2: has moved in with her because she broke up with

1481
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: Alex and Alec, and so she knows that she's in there,

1482
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: and she's barricaded the door because someone came and took

1483
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 2: all of her furniture and all of her shits and

1484
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 2: she got fired from her job three weeks ago and

1485
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: didn't tell anybody. So she's sitting in the and this

1486
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 2: is like truly an iconic shop. Like she's sitting in

1487
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: the middle of the floor of this pepto bismol apartment

1488
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 2: with these long, billowing curtains flowing in and right behind

1489
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 2: her is a gigantic porcelain clown head. Ah, like gigantic.

1490
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 2: There was something about the eighties where they were pushing

1491
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 2: these fucking porcelain clown heads so hard these masks and

1492
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 2: people were going in, they were going it was like

1493
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: little spoons and clown masks. They were like, we're gonna

1494
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: get some fucking money out of these people. So she's

1495
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: sitting on the floor and she's got her t shirt

1496
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 2: pulled over her knees, and she's just like rocking back

1497
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 2: and forth, and her hair's all crimped and her friends.

1498
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: They try to knock on the door that ain't working.

1499
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: They go to the fire escape. Alec of course threatens

1500
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 2: Kevin because he's like, you're fucking my lady, and Kevin's like, uh,

1501
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: she's not really your lady, why don't you pull me up?

1502
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: And then Billy shows up in a fucking Sandford and

1503
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 2: Sun truck because he's working at the gas station down

1504
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 2: the street. Now, like we should be throwing Billy a

1505
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 2: parade because he finally kept a job for a week.

1506
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 2: But he pulls up in this fucking like Sanford and

1507
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 2: Sun fucking truck with a blowtorch, and that's how they're

1508
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 2: gonna get in this apartment. And then Jules just gets

1509
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: up and like unlocks the door, and somebody finally bust

1510
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: in and it's Billy, and Billy has the worst like

1511
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: he's the last person that should be busting into this apartment.

1512
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: He's already let her down severely once before by like

1513
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 2: she's like, I have to tell you something serious, and

1514
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: he like took her car keys and put them in

1515
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 2: his pants, like he's.

1516
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: That dude tried to sexually assault her, Yeah, and now

1517
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 1: is giving her talking her off the ledge. Basically, giving

1518
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: her advice. Meanwhile, these curtains, it looks like a PM

1519
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Dawn video behind them. These curs are flowing this like

1520
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: flowing fabric that is coming from like these twenty foot

1521
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: ceilings in her apartment.

1522
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 2: Like, what the fuck is going on with the scene, dude,

1523
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: Not a PM's video. It's true. So he's in there

1524
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: and he's like, you're making it all up. Nothing's real,

1525
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: And I'm like, can you not say that to the

1526
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: person having a mental breakdown right now and her plan

1527
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,439
Speaker 2: is to freeze herself to death. And then he does

1528
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 2: that thing where he takes a fucking lighter and a

1529
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 2: can of hairspray and it's like, see, it's like Saint

1530
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: Elmo's fire. You think you see lightning in the cloud

1531
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: makes you think think it's like some kind of light,

1532
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: like real light, but it's all fake. And I'm like,

1533
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: this is the worst connection to a movie title I've

1534
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 2: ever seen someone try to force.

1535
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna be one hundred and fifteen percent honest

1536
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: with you right now. Every single fucking time I've seen

1537
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: this movie, I am pissed off that there was not

1538
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 1: an actual fire, thank you, Like I forget that there's

1539
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 1: no fire, yep, And then I'm like, there wasn't a

1540
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: fucking fire in this movie. The Saint Almos barred it

1541
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: and catch on fire. I don't know why every time

1542
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: I thought this movie is about Billy is setting a

1543
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: fire to the Saint Elmo's bar it SHOT's what I

1544
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: thought this movie was about, and it never happens, and

1545
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: I get pissed off every time because that's what it

1546
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: should have been.

1547
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,639
Speaker 2: That's a natural progression of this fucked up friends group.

1548
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: Is one of you is an arsonist, and it would

1549
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: have made more sense if, in terms of trying to

1550
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 2: fix her life, if Jewels lit the building on fire.

1551
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: So instead we get this like weird shit where the

1552
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: movie is named for this phenomenon that Billy just randomly

1553
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: utters yeah, and.

1554
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't even occur in the movie. You don't even

1555
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: see Saint Elmo's fire in the movie. They're never like

1556
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: near a shore, like looking at the clouds, like, oh

1557
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: there it is. It's never in the movie. It's never there,

1558
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,759
Speaker 2: and it's it's just it is so infuriating. You recently

1559
01:28:56,840 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: called Zardaws an unwatchable masterpiece. I will call this movie

1560
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: a trashtra piece. Yes, you should only watch this if

1561
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: you want to have an origin story for modern American

1562
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 2: greed and excess, and if you just want to be mad,

1563
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 2: if you just want to get angry, like you need

1564
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: like a pump up song and movie form, it is

1565
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 2: this one percent Nothing is on Fire. This is the

1566
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: kind of movie where like it should have been a

1567
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: series of vignettes and they all burned up at the

1568
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 2: end of their vignette, like Kevin fucked down a coffin,

1569
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 2: burnt to a crisp.

1570
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: And you know what the weird thing is too, though,

1571
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: is that this is this is gonna be deep. Follow

1572
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: me people, the fucking video. So there's the theme. One

1573
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 1: of the theme songs for the film is this song

1574
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: called man in Motion. Oh my god, so it's called

1575
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: the actual song is called say it Almost Fire in

1576
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,759
Speaker 1: parentheses man in Motion. It plays several times during the film. Okay,

1577
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: so in the video that song they used, Like the

1578
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: actual actors from the film are in the video, and

1579
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: I swear to god, there's a fire in the video

1580
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 1: where I think that they're like it's it's almost like

1581
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 1: the video was like an unintentional sequel to the film

1582
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: where the thing that we wanted to happen, meaning that

1583
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: there was a fire in the Saint almos Bar actually happened, right.

1584
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 2: Because someone probably gave that note they watched the movie

1585
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: and they were like, we wish there was a fire.

1586
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: The well put one in the video. You're cool. Also,

1587
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 2: there was the world's tiniest fire in the movie. I

1588
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 2: don't know if have you caught it when Billy goes

1589
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,919
Speaker 2: back to his frat house, because that's how fucking pathetic

1590
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 2: he is. He goes back to his frat house and

1591
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 2: like play football with the boys and like get some

1592
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 2: glory back. There is a tiny pile of leaves on

1593
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: fire behind him, the Chinese pile of leaves, And I'm like, again,

1594
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: this should have been a series of been that leaf

1595
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 2: Pyle should have caught the wind and hit a tree

1596
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 2: and then a branch lit on fire that fell on

1597
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Billy and he's burned to a crisp. Ah. It could

1598
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 2: have been a much funnier movie, could have been and

1599
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 2: they just went the distance with some fire. And it's

1600
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 2: infuriating because this is an incredible cast, not just for

1601
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:25,520
Speaker 2: the time but in general, Like this is an incredible

1602
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 2: cast of people. Both Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy have

1603
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: gone on to be incredible directors in their own right.

1604
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 2: Demi Moore has had a stunning career. Ali Sheety Coolest

1605
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 2: Fuck has made some incredibly cool indie movies and art

1606
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 2: house movies like It is an Mayor Winningham, untouchable as

1607
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 2: we know, always perpetual, adorable love. Heard bits like it

1608
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:54,560
Speaker 2: is such a fucking good cast that is wasted and

1609
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 2: this movie that does not elicit any emotion for me

1610
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: but anger. I do not feel for any of these

1611
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 2: people at any point, Like I don't care about them.

1612
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to divorce my own thoughts about

1613
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: having like a crew, what tight crew of friends that

1614
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 1: you know that we're just.

1615
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 2: Like, I don't.

1616
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: I've always been an independent contractor. I think we've talked

1617
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 1: about this, I like to me, I was already like,

1618
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: this is sus because they're doing the friends thing where

1619
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, every person is quirky in their

1620
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: own weird way, and everybody dates each other. It's like

1621
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm like, no, I don't like this already. Also,

1622
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: people who are obsessed with their college Oh my, that

1623
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: is not me, never me, never me.

1624
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I thank you job less for the goddamn degree, goodbye,

1625
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: goodbye for fucking I could become president and never go.

1626
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: Back to my college.

1627
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 2: And I loved it. I had a great time at

1628
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 2: both places I went. And I'm like, if anyone asks, like, yeah,

1629
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 2: I'll go give a talk or it would I would

1630
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 2: never just voluntarily go. There is a scene where Jewels

1631
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: Dememore's character drives a jeep, like an open top jeep,

1632
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 2: and there's a scene where they're driving and like some

1633
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 2: of the guys hop in and they're sitting on each

1634
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: other's laps and it looks like a Barbie in the

1635
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Rockers commercial, Like they.

1636
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 1: Look Zoolander, Like all the models are like driving around.

1637
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 2: Yes, like you were teenagers, this happens. This is like

1638
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,640
Speaker 2: a scene from Bringing On, like they are babies.

1639
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they're.

1640
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,880
Speaker 2: Also drunk driving and doing massive piles of coke. Yeah.

1641
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: It was very It's very strange. But but again now

1642
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: looking from it from way way far in the future, Uh,

1643
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: it drove me crazy. And also I don't know about you,

1644
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 1: but I have to say, for the record, you know

1645
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: the love theme from Sane Almo's Fire that like my song,

1646
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: that instrumental. I always get so much anxiety whenever I

1647
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: hear that song again.

1648
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: Any therapist really listens to a love song and gets anxiety?

1649
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 2: Can we die deep on this?

1650
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why, And every time I because they

1651
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: used to play it on the fucking radio when as

1652
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: a kid, and it made me feel nervous.

1653
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, look, we all wished for fire that didn't come.

1654
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 2: We wished for Saint elmost fire that wasn't shown. And

1655
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 2: I am absolutely livid that I had to choose this

1656
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 2: this oad of my film because my film is no

1657
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 2: longer streaming. But I'm thank you, thankful that you pivoted

1658
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: so quickly. And I hope, I hope that they just

1659
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 2: maybe we can send a note to someone. I just

1660
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 2: want them to keep our movies on for long enough

1661
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 2: for us to record the episode and for people to

1662
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: watch it, because every time we have to pivot, it's like, well,

1663
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 2: I hated that shit.

1664
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 1: I know it's miserable. At the same time, I secretly

1665
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: love it because it is our actual honest like there's

1666
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: no preparation. We're just like, we're riffing on this and

1667
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: a lot of times and it's not what we planned.

1668
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 1: But guess what, Like, honestly, this was this was fun.

1669
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, like, we love movies. Obviously, we're not a

1670
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 1: podcast that like makes fun of movies. Okay, this is

1671
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 1: our true feeling. A lot of times we love the

1672
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 1: ship that we watch. But sometimes you know, and I

1673
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: one breaks.

1674
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:17,680
Speaker 2: Through and you can't help it, and I kind of

1675
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 2: secretly I love how bad it is because I as

1676
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 2: a kid, I this was like a venerated film to me, like,

1677
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 2: oh my god, being an adult man, being an adult

1678
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 2: is going to be so deep.

1679
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 1: And let me tell you right now, to your credit,

1680
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,799
Speaker 1: I did read like an oral history of sant Amble's

1681
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Fire that was written like not too long ago. And

1682
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: Rob Lowe actually thinks the movie sucks, so you're not.

1683
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: He's like, it's a hate watch.

1684
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 2: We all know. You're like, okay, cool.

1685
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: Now I feel better.

1686
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 2: I feel better about him. I feel better about him.

1687
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: Rob low knows that sant Albol's Fire was kind of trash,

1688
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: so we're good.

1689
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 2: We're good. I love I love an honest review of

1690
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: your life and career because I have felt that about like,

1691
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that bakery I work at sucked. And for him,

1692
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 2: it's this movie and it's fine, and I appreciate that

1693
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 2: greatly and I cannot believe you read an oral This

1694
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 2: is how much I know you love movies. You read

1695
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: an oral history of Saint Elmos Fire. You spent time

1696
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: fleeting moments of your life that you will never get

1697
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:23,920
Speaker 2: back reading an oral history of Saint Elmo's Fire. You're

1698
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:25,600
Speaker 2: gonna be at the end of your goddamn life and

1699
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: be like, I could have had three more hours and

1700
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: I spent it reading about Saint Elmo's Fire. And your

1701
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: nurse is gonna be like, okay, really nice good night,

1702
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna be like, she likes Saint almost Fire.

1703
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 2: We're gonna play the song as she goes out, We're

1704
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 2: gonna play the love song, and you're gonna fucking jolt

1705
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 2: upright and be like, I'm scared. It is amazing to

1706
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 2: me that you would do again. You're a real one

1707
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 2: because I love movies. But I am never I am

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01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: not doing that. I am not doing that.

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01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what compels me to do these things.

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01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: Maybe if I had, if I if I took away

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01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 1: the energy that I spent doing this, i'd probably like

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01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: have twenty kids and be married and live in Upper Peninsula.

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01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 2: But I just don't like I just I can't help it.

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01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: I've gotta know, I gotta know the story. You're you're

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01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 2: a completist, and I love and appreciate it. And I

1716
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: will also remind you of this every year like an

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01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: like a like a shocking anniversary, Like remember when you

1718
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:32,919
Speaker 2: told me that you read the oral history I prepared.

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01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: It'll be fire related. Listen.

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01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,919
Speaker 1: I could not have had more fun on this episode.

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01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: We went into a thinking oberl on shaky ground because

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01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 1: we got a movie that we didn't super much for,

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01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 1: but guess what, it was fucking fun. I feel like

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01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: both these movies contribute to the original idea of the theme,

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01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: which is that kids are fucked up sometimes, and they are.

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01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: They are in movies that we sometimes love and sometimes

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01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: do not love.

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01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 2: So absolutely, and this was fun. It's just no matter what,

1729
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: movies are great because they are fun even when you're

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01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 2: not fully into it.

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01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and I just love discussing them with you

1732
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: in any in any case, but listen, if you want

1733
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: to email us, we gave you a lot to chew

1734
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: on this week, So if you want to email us,

1735
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 1: we're at I saw whitch did pot at gmail dot com.

1736
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: And like we said at the beginning, of the episode.

1737
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: We're doing bonus episodes on Wondering Plus, so if you want,

1738
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: we usually read viewer letters on the bonus and we

1739
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: talk about the lead singer of Crash Test Dummies, et cetera.

1740
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: Send us send us letters for the bonus episodes. We

1741
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,759
Speaker 1: we do read them and we love doing.

1742
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 2: The bonus so absolutely. And we also have a po

1743
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 2: box if you want to send us handwritten letters. We

1744
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 2: do a lot of fuck Mary kills on the recently

1745
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 2: on the bonus episode, send us a handwritten fuck Mary kill?

1746
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 2: Why not?

1747
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would love a handwritten fuck Mary kill.

1748
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 1: Or that would be so fucking funny.

1749
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: I will frame it and you can. Also you can

1750
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 2: find us on our social media accounts at I saw

1751
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 2: a pod on Instagram and Twitter and just you know, like,

1752
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 2: tell some friends to leave us a review, leave your

1753
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 2: leave a five star review yourself. If you don't want

1754
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 2: to write, you don't have to write. You can just

1755
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 2: say I fucking loved it. Or you can just write

1756
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 2: Saint Almo's Fire and get us a five star review

1757
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 2: and leave everyone guessing what the hell you are talking about?

1758
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 2: What is this person? On five star review? Saint almost what.

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01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: I would actually like you guys to do that very much, Danielle,

1760
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: As always, it is such a fucking pleasure in this

1761
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 1: podcast with you.

1762
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:47,960
Speaker 2: I laugh so hard every time, every time, and like

1763
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 2: next week's also going to be a banger. I don't

1764
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 2: know if you want to tell them what oh god

1765
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 2: for next week?

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01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, O, my god, you're not ready.

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01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: You're simply not ready.

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01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: The movies for next week are road House from nineteen

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01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: eighty nine, an Urban Cowboy from nineteen eighty.

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01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 2: Look, it's the end of the summer.

1771
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: Just give us a break, give us a break. We're

1772
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: going out with a fucking bang, dude. That is a

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01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 1: end of summer champagne ram if you ask me.

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01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 2: The real corker. Oh, thank you so much. I absolutely

1775
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 2: absolutely loved talking about all these movies. I'm just so grateful.

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01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: As always, has a fucking pleasure love doing this podcast

1777
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:44,360
Speaker 1: with you. Love you guys, Thank you for listening. Bye bye.

1778
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production. Produced and mixed

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01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 2: by Casey O'Brien. Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel,

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01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 2: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers Our Georgia Hart, Start,

1781
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 2: Karen Kile, Gareth and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us

1782
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 2: on Instagram and Twitter at I Saw Pod, and you

1783
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 2: can email us at I Saw what you Did Pod

1784
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 2: at gmail