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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Darren Malachean first made his name as the enigmatic

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Speaker 1: five albums, three of which debuted at number one on

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Speaker 1: new project, Scars on Broadway. Their debut album arrived in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to critical acclaim. Since then, he's

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Speaker 1: reunited with System for a series of live performances, including

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Speaker 1: a recent South American tour that drew massive crowds. Their

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Speaker 1: final stop in South Polo, Brazil attracted an estimated seventy

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Speaker 1: Darren is releasing Addicted to the Violence, their third Scars

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Speaker 1: best songs he's ever written. On today's episode, Lea Rose

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Speaker 1: sits down with Darren to talk about why he believes

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Speaker 1: his parents' journey from Baghdad to Hollywood helped make that

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Speaker 1: dream possible. He also explains what people often misunderstand about

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Speaker 1: his relationship with System frontman Surge Tonkien and reveals the

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Speaker 1: surprising contrast between this outrageous on stage persona and who

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Speaker 1: he really is off stage. This is broken record, real musicians,

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Speaker 1: real conversations. Here's Lea Rose with Darren Malachean.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this new album, so Scars on Broadway.

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Speaker 2: Album it's called Addicted to the Violence to first album

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Speaker 2: in seven years. And I was curious, like, since it

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Speaker 2: meaning sort of change for you?

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Speaker 3: The thing is, I didn't write these songs necessarily during

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Speaker 3: these times. Some of these songs I wrote many, many

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think. But you know, not all

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Speaker 3: there was this theme. Because I write songs. I always

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Speaker 3: And those songs end up on albums. But I wasn't

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Speaker 3: writing those songs for an album. That right makes sense.

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Speaker 3: So at some point when I get off my ass

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Speaker 3: myself with my songs. I don't really write them for

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Speaker 3: me to begin with. The last thing I think of

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Speaker 3: if I didn't have system, I would still be doing this.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you saw somebody react

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Speaker 3: It was when I was a teenager. I used to

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Speaker 3: So we'd get together group of friends and I'd played

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Speaker 3: And it was then that I realized, Yeah, I love music.

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Speaker 3: I did for System, so I do for Scars. That's

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Speaker 3: my you know, in music, you got a lot of

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: Because you guys, you got guitar players who are amazing

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Speaker 2: Do you like amazing guitar players?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, but it's not what I want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting. Does it feel for you like

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Speaker 3: When I'm on stage, there is a personality that comes

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Speaker 3: And that dude, that dude's really different. Like I don't

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Speaker 3: I've always loved performing. Performing is also something that you know,

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Speaker 3: aside from the songwriting, I consider myself a performer as well.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's it's something that is just all of

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Speaker 3: in real life. But that's who comes out. That that's

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Is it therapeutic for you?

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Speaker 2: Does it achieve something? Help you work through something? Whereas

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of your friends, like your friends maybe aren't

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Speaker 2: for people who don't have that outlet like you have

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Speaker 3: He too, No, it is therapy. I look, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: to let loose and be angry, be you know, sometimes

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Speaker 3: I'm completely stupid. I say some stupid shit up there.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm funny, like, uh, you know, Sarah. Sarah will

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Speaker 3: just you know, I'm the audience doesn't know what's about

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Speaker 3: because it's not.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. It changes, it's changed a lot.

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Speaker 3: There's all kinds of emotions that human beings go through. Yeah. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you have your like I said, you had your funny times,

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Speaker 3: you have your stupid times, you have your sad times.

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Speaker 3: You have your angry times, you have your times that

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Speaker 3: you're concerned out society. I mean, and you're this person

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Speaker 3: and then sometimes I'm expressing like Killing Spree for example,

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Speaker 3: kind of driving song, but if you listen to the

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Speaker 3: way I'm singing the song, it's very cartoon cartoon like

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Speaker 3: It's cartoon cartoon esque. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you still listen to hard music? Like, do you

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Speaker 2: find that as you've gotten older, has your music taste

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Speaker 3: I've always listened to all kinds of music. I could.

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Speaker 3: There isn't much that's new in metal that I'm really

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Speaker 3: But now that we're thing, you know, being Armenian is

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Speaker 3: And now that we were signed there was funny because

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Speaker 3: the way that it sounds is even different. The way

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Speaker 2: I know the thing about the genres though, Like I

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Speaker 3: Look, the notes on a piano where I'm a guitar

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431
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Speaker 3: food with the beef. And give beef to the guy

432
00:27:00,396 --> 00:27:03,036
Speaker 3: who makes Armenian food. He's gonna make Armenian food with

433
00:27:03,076 --> 00:27:06,396
Speaker 3: the beef. And you know, and so it's how it's

434
00:27:06,436 --> 00:27:09,796
Speaker 3: the music is presented. Yeah, and as you know, it

435
00:27:09,916 --> 00:27:12,676
Speaker 3: turns in I don't know, it's kind of weird. Music

436
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:14,916
Speaker 3: turns into like how you know, Mexican food or a

437
00:27:14,956 --> 00:27:20,996
Speaker 3: Median food. I mean, but for me, I don't know, man,

438
00:27:21,516 --> 00:27:24,796
Speaker 3: the kind of music I write, whether once again system

439
00:27:24,796 --> 00:27:29,916
Speaker 3: of announced Scars on Broadway, I feel weird. I like

440
00:27:30,036 --> 00:27:33,836
Speaker 3: being put into like a genre because yeah, there's heavy

441
00:27:33,836 --> 00:27:37,436
Speaker 3: stuff that's going on, but once there are songs on

442
00:27:37,476 --> 00:27:40,796
Speaker 3: the same album that don't even fit the genre likely

443
00:27:41,356 --> 00:27:43,676
Speaker 3: and shame game. I don't feel like I all my

444
00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:46,956
Speaker 3: songs fit into the same place. Yeah, and so when

445
00:27:46,956 --> 00:27:50,716
Speaker 3: you put me in a genre, I'm like, Okay, maybe

446
00:27:50,716 --> 00:27:52,396
Speaker 3: you could put that one in that genre, but how

447
00:27:52,396 --> 00:27:55,956
Speaker 3: about that one? Like So that's why genre bother me

448
00:27:55,996 --> 00:27:58,196
Speaker 3: because I don't feel like I always fit into them.

449
00:27:58,236 --> 00:28:00,716
Speaker 3: I don't feel like all my songs fit into the

450
00:28:00,756 --> 00:28:02,436
Speaker 3: same ones totally.

451
00:28:03,556 --> 00:28:06,356
Speaker 2: I wonder, like, how has it been for you since

452
00:28:06,356 --> 00:28:10,596
Speaker 2: you've had the experience of releasing albums that have been

453
00:28:10,596 --> 00:28:16,796
Speaker 2: super successful through traditional record companies and also releasing albums

454
00:28:16,836 --> 00:28:20,636
Speaker 2: through independent because you released it on your own label, right.

455
00:28:20,956 --> 00:28:24,476
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not really label just do you do

456
00:28:24,556 --> 00:28:25,716
Speaker 3: it yourself kind of thing.

457
00:28:25,956 --> 00:28:29,636
Speaker 2: But yeah, which do you prefer, Like, are there advantages

458
00:28:30,236 --> 00:28:34,916
Speaker 2: to the major label system that you see now or

459
00:28:34,956 --> 00:28:36,196
Speaker 2: do you prefer just DIY?

460
00:28:36,756 --> 00:28:41,836
Speaker 3: They were both fine because nobody ever told me what

461
00:28:42,036 --> 00:28:49,956
Speaker 3: to write ever. Rick never did, the Columbia Never Records

462
00:28:49,996 --> 00:28:54,916
Speaker 3: never did. We kind of did our own thing, and

463
00:28:54,996 --> 00:28:57,276
Speaker 3: I wrote the songs that the kind of songs that

464
00:28:57,356 --> 00:29:02,316
Speaker 3: I wrote, and nobody ever like said, well, you got

465
00:29:02,356 --> 00:29:06,036
Speaker 3: to be more like lymp Biscuit. And because lymp Biscuit

466
00:29:06,156 --> 00:29:08,756
Speaker 3: was so big when we were coming out, you know,

467
00:29:08,876 --> 00:29:12,636
Speaker 3: and so we were kind of coming out and just

468
00:29:13,516 --> 00:29:17,036
Speaker 3: doing our thing and gaining and gaining and gaining and gaining.

469
00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:21,716
Speaker 3: And uh Rick told me a story where he when

470
00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:24,636
Speaker 3: he went to the head of K Rock once and

471
00:29:24,676 --> 00:29:26,796
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think he played them Chop Suey

472
00:29:27,556 --> 00:29:30,556
Speaker 3: and and he the person that was ahead of K

473
00:29:30,716 --> 00:29:33,236
Speaker 3: Rock at that time. I don't know if he still

474
00:29:33,316 --> 00:29:36,196
Speaker 3: is or she still is or isn't. He told Rick

475
00:29:36,716 --> 00:29:42,476
Speaker 3: that this song will never be played on this station

476
00:29:43,476 --> 00:29:46,516
Speaker 3: and this band will never be played because they just

477
00:29:46,636 --> 00:29:49,436
Speaker 3: it does not they're not what we do, you know,

478
00:29:49,596 --> 00:29:53,676
Speaker 3: type of And I guess soon after that, Chop Suey

479
00:29:53,676 --> 00:29:56,836
Speaker 3: became like the biggest song in the freaking you know,

480
00:29:57,076 --> 00:30:01,716
Speaker 3: on K rock or on their station, and we didn't

481
00:30:01,796 --> 00:30:04,996
Speaker 3: do anything to conform to Oh, you know what, then

482
00:30:05,036 --> 00:30:08,796
Speaker 3: I should write a song that you're gonna like feel

483
00:30:08,796 --> 00:30:09,796
Speaker 3: like fits in.

484
00:30:10,596 --> 00:30:11,556
Speaker 2: Nothing like that song.

485
00:30:11,676 --> 00:30:16,916
Speaker 3: Still, yeah, thank you, But we never had to deal

486
00:30:16,916 --> 00:30:19,236
Speaker 3: with so when it comes to like major labels or

487
00:30:19,356 --> 00:30:24,476
Speaker 3: radio stations or anything like that. So the difference is

488
00:30:24,596 --> 00:30:30,676
Speaker 3: that there is like a machine that's pushing your shit. Yeah,

489
00:30:30,836 --> 00:30:34,276
Speaker 3: that world at that time. You know, I haven't really

490
00:30:34,316 --> 00:30:36,556
Speaker 3: dealt with the label for quite some time, so I

491
00:30:36,596 --> 00:30:39,916
Speaker 3: don't real I don't know what kind of power, what

492
00:30:40,036 --> 00:30:41,836
Speaker 3: kind of thing they have now, But at that time

493
00:30:41,876 --> 00:30:45,716
Speaker 3: they had power. Yeah, and they push your stuff. And

494
00:30:45,876 --> 00:30:48,596
Speaker 3: next thing, you know, their MTV at that time was

495
00:30:48,636 --> 00:30:53,156
Speaker 3: still playing videos, and they played Chop Suey and you know,

496
00:30:53,236 --> 00:30:53,716
Speaker 3: you get.

497
00:30:53,676 --> 00:30:56,156
Speaker 2: Like crazy that video was always on.

498
00:30:56,716 --> 00:30:59,836
Speaker 3: And so the machine was doing its thing. When I'm

499
00:30:59,876 --> 00:31:04,476
Speaker 3: doing it myself, there is no machine. I hire a publicist,

500
00:31:05,356 --> 00:31:08,156
Speaker 3: let's put some money into this, you know, and and

501
00:31:09,396 --> 00:31:13,796
Speaker 3: the fans or the streams or people buying vinyls pretty

502
00:31:13,876 --> 00:31:18,836
Speaker 3: much bring back and pay for the stuff that needs

503
00:31:18,876 --> 00:31:24,556
Speaker 3: to be paid for a video. You know, all these

504
00:31:24,596 --> 00:31:29,116
Speaker 3: things cost money. Sometimes going on the road, you know,

505
00:31:29,756 --> 00:31:33,596
Speaker 3: it costs money because SCARS doesn't get the same guarantees

506
00:31:33,636 --> 00:31:37,156
Speaker 3: as system does. So we still need buses, we still

507
00:31:37,156 --> 00:31:41,996
Speaker 3: need all this stuff. So this what I do with SCARS,

508
00:31:42,556 --> 00:31:46,396
Speaker 3: it's kind of yeah, I run it, but it's funded

509
00:31:46,476 --> 00:31:49,956
Speaker 3: by the fans. Yeah. Yeah.

510
00:31:49,996 --> 00:31:53,396
Speaker 2: And also I mean, you have the benefit of when

511
00:31:53,436 --> 00:31:55,596
Speaker 2: you go out with System that can help fund it too.

512
00:31:56,716 --> 00:32:01,676
Speaker 3: Sure, I have a separate thing that when Scars, any

513
00:32:01,796 --> 00:32:04,636
Speaker 3: money comes in from Scars, I put it into that

514
00:32:04,676 --> 00:32:08,956
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is the Scars you know, Piggybank.

515
00:32:09,276 --> 00:32:12,116
Speaker 2: Okay, that's cool. So you can actually see what's being generated.

516
00:32:12,756 --> 00:32:15,196
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I put back into the band and

517
00:32:15,236 --> 00:32:17,076
Speaker 3: what I.

518
00:32:16,236 --> 00:32:18,116
Speaker 2: I guess tell me the story of Scars, Like when

519
00:32:18,156 --> 00:32:20,356
Speaker 2: you started the band. I know the first album came

520
00:32:20,396 --> 00:32:21,716
Speaker 2: out in two thousand and eight.

521
00:32:22,356 --> 00:32:23,036
Speaker 3: Where were you.

522
00:32:23,036 --> 00:32:25,636
Speaker 2: At professionally, Like, why did you decide that was the

523
00:32:25,676 --> 00:32:26,676
Speaker 2: time to start the band?

524
00:32:27,836 --> 00:32:31,236
Speaker 3: Well, I knew System was not going to be making records.

525
00:32:31,556 --> 00:32:35,356
Speaker 3: I didn't know that we were never going to make records,

526
00:32:35,476 --> 00:32:37,916
Speaker 3: but at the time we were like, okay, we're taking

527
00:32:37,916 --> 00:32:44,076
Speaker 3: a hiatus, and for me, I was like okay. I

528
00:32:44,116 --> 00:32:46,316
Speaker 3: at that time, I mean, I was used to like

529
00:32:46,396 --> 00:32:48,836
Speaker 3: I have an outlet for my songs, and my outlet

530
00:32:48,876 --> 00:32:54,316
Speaker 3: for my songs was System. So Scars kind of started

531
00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:56,676
Speaker 3: even before I knew there was going to be a hiatus.

532
00:32:56,716 --> 00:33:00,356
Speaker 3: I was like, here, I want to do this second

533
00:33:00,436 --> 00:33:03,556
Speaker 3: band kind of thing. I tried out a lot of

534
00:33:03,596 --> 00:33:08,476
Speaker 3: different renditions and different musicians and different things before I

535
00:33:08,556 --> 00:33:11,276
Speaker 3: got to work. I got on the first Scars record,

536
00:33:11,956 --> 00:33:19,196
Speaker 3: but when System kind of took the hiatus, I was like, well,

537
00:33:19,556 --> 00:33:22,196
Speaker 3: I gotta do something here. I can just sit here

538
00:33:22,516 --> 00:33:26,236
Speaker 3: on my hands. I have songs, and so it just

539
00:33:26,316 --> 00:33:28,716
Speaker 3: seemed like the natural thing to do is like, Okay,

540
00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:33,036
Speaker 3: let's take this band that I was kind of working

541
00:33:33,076 --> 00:33:38,836
Speaker 3: on already and put a little more focus into it.

542
00:33:40,356 --> 00:33:42,236
Speaker 1: Well, last break and we're back with the rest of

543
00:33:42,316 --> 00:33:43,196
Speaker 1: Darren Malachean.

544
00:33:47,276 --> 00:33:49,556
Speaker 2: Do you think that the fact that your parents are

545
00:33:49,556 --> 00:33:54,996
Speaker 2: both artists, how does that influence the way that you

546
00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,556
Speaker 2: make your art? Do you think there's any connection to

547
00:33:57,596 --> 00:34:00,956
Speaker 2: the way you approach your work as a songwriter, as

548
00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:05,316
Speaker 2: a singer, as a producer. Did you inherit any approach

549
00:34:05,356 --> 00:34:07,316
Speaker 2: from your parents? Is there any commonality?

550
00:34:09,196 --> 00:34:14,476
Speaker 3: I watched my dad paint paintings my whole life, and

551
00:34:14,596 --> 00:34:17,476
Speaker 3: my dad has never done an art exhibition. He has

552
00:34:17,516 --> 00:34:21,396
Speaker 3: a house full of hundreds of paintings that he paints,

553
00:34:21,476 --> 00:34:25,316
Speaker 3: but he paints them for his He's always trying to

554
00:34:25,356 --> 00:34:29,276
Speaker 3: like find something new, but it's not about showing anybody else.

555
00:34:29,316 --> 00:34:32,036
Speaker 3: And I think that's where I get my thing from.

556
00:34:32,156 --> 00:34:35,036
Speaker 3: Is where I would do it regardless, because I've seen

557
00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:38,356
Speaker 3: him do it regardless. Yeah, I mean the only thing

558
00:34:38,436 --> 00:34:40,436
Speaker 3: that I like, I'm the one that like put his

559
00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:44,876
Speaker 3: stuff on my album covers or system album covers, Like, well,

560
00:34:44,956 --> 00:34:47,236
Speaker 3: Mesmeriz hypnotizes my dad's stuff.

561
00:34:47,596 --> 00:34:48,836
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I didn't know that all.

562
00:34:48,756 --> 00:34:53,196
Speaker 3: The star stuff is my dad's stuff. Oh cool. But

563
00:34:53,516 --> 00:34:56,676
Speaker 3: his stuff on his own is very different than that stuff.

564
00:34:56,716 --> 00:34:59,756
Speaker 3: That's me pushing him in a direction because I'm like,

565
00:34:59,796 --> 00:35:05,796
Speaker 3: it's an album because this stuff's very abstract. So his

566
00:35:05,956 --> 00:35:11,436
Speaker 3: approach is I approach. I mean, that's just kind of

567
00:35:12,676 --> 00:35:15,636
Speaker 3: watching the way he does it. And it wasn't like,

568
00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:17,996
Speaker 3: well I'm gonna watch him and take that. It's just

569
00:35:18,796 --> 00:35:21,516
Speaker 3: in the house. This is ye, this was how we

570
00:35:21,556 --> 00:35:25,596
Speaker 3: did things. This is how it was. My mom when

571
00:35:25,636 --> 00:35:29,396
Speaker 3: she was in Iraq was a sculptor and and she

572
00:35:29,516 --> 00:35:31,876
Speaker 3: does she did, but when she came to the States,

573
00:35:31,996 --> 00:35:35,276
Speaker 3: my mom is the responsible one, yeah, in the things.

574
00:35:35,276 --> 00:35:39,396
Speaker 3: So she was kind of like saving the money and

575
00:35:39,596 --> 00:35:42,996
Speaker 3: working and my dad worked too. But like you know,

576
00:35:44,316 --> 00:35:46,356
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for my mom, like we would have

577
00:35:46,436 --> 00:35:52,876
Speaker 3: just been like homeless problem bohemian art. Yeah. So luckily

578
00:35:52,956 --> 00:35:55,756
Speaker 3: she has a side to her that was very responsible

579
00:35:55,956 --> 00:36:01,276
Speaker 3: and organized, so she kind of had to leave her

580
00:36:01,436 --> 00:36:05,796
Speaker 3: art to the side. And but you know, she's one

581
00:36:05,876 --> 00:36:07,676
Speaker 3: of those people that will sit there and then like

582
00:36:07,756 --> 00:36:09,076
Speaker 3: ten minutes can draw your face.

583
00:36:09,716 --> 00:36:10,036
Speaker 1: Wow.

584
00:36:10,996 --> 00:36:14,636
Speaker 3: Very she went to school for art. That's another thing

585
00:36:14,676 --> 00:36:16,996
Speaker 3: where it's a little different with my dad and my mom.

586
00:36:17,036 --> 00:36:19,636
Speaker 3: My dad never went to school for I never went

587
00:36:19,676 --> 00:36:24,356
Speaker 3: to school. But my mom is more training as an

588
00:36:24,436 --> 00:36:30,996
Speaker 3: artist in that way, but through the ears, like she

589
00:36:30,996 --> 00:36:33,156
Speaker 3: she is an artist, but had to kind of put

590
00:36:33,236 --> 00:36:37,436
Speaker 3: her art to the sode for Yeah, got understand. He

591
00:36:37,956 --> 00:36:42,756
Speaker 3: came from Iraq with nothing. Yeah, like nothing and uh

592
00:36:43,076 --> 00:36:47,676
Speaker 3: coming from bag Dad to Hollywood, yeah, you know, and

593
00:36:47,836 --> 00:36:51,956
Speaker 3: uh so you know they they had to make some

594
00:36:52,036 --> 00:36:56,596
Speaker 3: sacrifices and it's it's I know, this is a crazy

595
00:36:56,716 --> 00:37:00,796
Speaker 3: fucking thing to say, and and but it's true that

596
00:37:00,996 --> 00:37:03,556
Speaker 3: since I was a kid, this is what I do

597
00:37:03,716 --> 00:37:06,476
Speaker 3: now is what i've I always was like, since I

598
00:37:06,516 --> 00:37:09,316
Speaker 3: saw all the early bands that I was in to,

599
00:37:10,756 --> 00:37:12,796
Speaker 3: it was an obsession and it was something that I

600
00:37:12,916 --> 00:37:16,676
Speaker 3: was interested in, and it was always like music was

601
00:37:16,676 --> 00:37:18,956
Speaker 3: always a big deal in my life. And even as

602
00:37:18,996 --> 00:37:23,356
Speaker 3: a kid, in my head, I was like and I

603
00:37:23,356 --> 00:37:25,436
Speaker 3: I guess I had the maturity as a kid to

604
00:37:25,516 --> 00:37:29,316
Speaker 3: think this way. But it was like I knew what

605
00:37:29,396 --> 00:37:34,236
Speaker 3: kind of sacrifice my parents had made. I knew that

606
00:37:34,396 --> 00:37:39,836
Speaker 3: my parents were both artists, and it felt like this

607
00:37:40,156 --> 00:37:46,636
Speaker 3: like was your like it's my destiny, like to to

608
00:37:46,836 --> 00:37:51,996
Speaker 3: become one of these, like this musician or whatever it is.

609
00:37:52,716 --> 00:37:56,756
Speaker 3: And then as I got older, you know, eight, nine, ten,

610
00:37:56,876 --> 00:38:00,276
Speaker 3: eleven years old, I would start telling people like I'm

611
00:38:00,276 --> 00:38:02,476
Speaker 3: going to be in a band one day. I'm going

612
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:05,196
Speaker 3: to do this. Like I mean, as a really young child,

613
00:38:05,436 --> 00:38:08,836
Speaker 3: it's crazy. Anybody, anybody who knew me at that time

614
00:38:08,876 --> 00:38:12,716
Speaker 3: will tell you he's not fucking like he said that,

615
00:38:13,636 --> 00:38:15,836
Speaker 3: and he kept saying it. And as I got older,

616
00:38:15,916 --> 00:38:18,196
Speaker 3: people would say like, well, you know, one of the

617
00:38:18,316 --> 00:38:21,836
Speaker 3: chances that that's gonna happen, and I go in my head,

618
00:38:22,116 --> 00:38:27,196
Speaker 3: I was like, this is why my parents moved here. Wow,

619
00:38:27,996 --> 00:38:30,156
Speaker 3: that's how That's how my head was saying, this is

620
00:38:30,556 --> 00:38:34,236
Speaker 3: why this was like this is all supposed to fucking

621
00:38:34,276 --> 00:38:39,236
Speaker 3: happen and and yeah, then then when they would tell me, oh,

622
00:38:39,516 --> 00:38:42,116
Speaker 3: you know that's a long shot or your Armenian and

623
00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:44,476
Speaker 3: no Armenians ever made it in that kind of thing,

624
00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:48,396
Speaker 3: and I was like, just watch, I have this crazy confidence.

625
00:38:49,276 --> 00:38:52,596
Speaker 3: Like even in high school. They sent me to a

626
00:38:52,636 --> 00:38:53,036
Speaker 3: thing and.

627
00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:54,276
Speaker 2: I was like a prophecy.

628
00:38:54,916 --> 00:38:58,676
Speaker 3: It's it's weird. You know, it happened. And when it happened,

629
00:38:58,676 --> 00:39:02,436
Speaker 3: I got like panic attacks because I was like, Jesus,

630
00:39:02,516 --> 00:39:06,476
Speaker 3: this fucking happened until this day, till this day. I

631
00:39:06,556 --> 00:39:10,156
Speaker 3: get on stage and we just went played South America.

632
00:39:10,236 --> 00:39:12,916
Speaker 3: It was like sixty people, and I was still.

633
00:39:12,916 --> 00:39:14,956
Speaker 2: Saying those crowds in South America.

634
00:39:15,276 --> 00:39:20,076
Speaker 3: Yeah, but till this day, I'm like, dude, this fucking happened.

635
00:39:20,156 --> 00:39:23,396
Speaker 2: Man, who does that happen for? I mean, do you

636
00:39:23,396 --> 00:39:24,756
Speaker 2: know how many people have that dream?

637
00:39:24,956 --> 00:39:25,756
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know what?

638
00:39:26,076 --> 00:39:29,556
Speaker 2: But that's crazy? Like how what was your parents' reaction

639
00:39:29,676 --> 00:39:30,396
Speaker 2: to your success?

640
00:39:31,756 --> 00:39:34,076
Speaker 3: They'll tell you the same thing. They'll say, he was

641
00:39:34,116 --> 00:39:36,796
Speaker 3: always into this, he was always saying he's gonna do it,

642
00:39:37,356 --> 00:39:41,356
Speaker 3: and and they're obviously when you're like fourteen years old

643
00:39:41,356 --> 00:39:44,196
Speaker 3: and you're telling and you're dropping out of high school

644
00:39:44,236 --> 00:39:47,356
Speaker 3: and you're failing all your classes, and you know, you

645
00:39:47,436 --> 00:39:50,316
Speaker 3: run with a crowd that's like you know, fighting and

646
00:39:50,356 --> 00:39:53,556
Speaker 3: all this shit your parents and you're telling your mom,

647
00:39:53,716 --> 00:39:56,636
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a musician. And these are two

648
00:39:56,836 --> 00:40:00,236
Speaker 3: artists that are have been struggling artists their whole lives,

649
00:40:00,236 --> 00:40:03,396
Speaker 3: so they know what the artist life is, right. Yeah,

650
00:40:03,476 --> 00:40:07,316
Speaker 3: Oh they were worried. And it's funny because me and

651
00:40:07,356 --> 00:40:09,596
Speaker 3: my mom talked about this just two or three days ago.

652
00:40:09,716 --> 00:40:14,396
Speaker 3: She's like, at some point, she told me, I realized

653
00:40:14,756 --> 00:40:19,116
Speaker 3: that this is what you want, this is what this

654
00:40:19,196 --> 00:40:25,236
Speaker 3: is what you are. And she said I would be

655
00:40:25,236 --> 00:40:28,356
Speaker 3: be like she's you know, she's religious in some ways.

656
00:40:28,716 --> 00:40:30,796
Speaker 3: She said, like I felt like I would be like

657
00:40:30,996 --> 00:40:35,836
Speaker 3: sinning if if I stood in your way. Yeah, what

658
00:40:36,716 --> 00:40:40,956
Speaker 3: you felt like this was your calling in life, you know.

659
00:40:41,756 --> 00:40:45,036
Speaker 3: And so she's like, at some point I just let

660
00:40:45,076 --> 00:40:47,956
Speaker 3: it go and I and I supported, and she did.

661
00:40:47,956 --> 00:40:50,036
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be here today without my mom's support.

662
00:40:50,596 --> 00:40:51,396
Speaker 2: She's a good mom.

663
00:40:51,676 --> 00:40:55,956
Speaker 3: Oh, she's she's amazing. I owe her everything, like she

664
00:40:56,036 --> 00:41:01,276
Speaker 3: would give me. I didn't have a job, i'd have shit.

665
00:41:01,756 --> 00:41:06,356
Speaker 3: And when I was sixteen, I started playing in bands

666
00:41:06,356 --> 00:41:10,196
Speaker 3: that we needed rehearsal studios, you know, and I would

667
00:41:10,236 --> 00:41:13,516
Speaker 3: have to ask her and we weren't rich, but she

668
00:41:13,556 --> 00:41:18,836
Speaker 3: would give me rehearsal studio rent every month so I

669
00:41:18,876 --> 00:41:23,116
Speaker 3: can do what I do She knew that I loved music,

670
00:41:23,196 --> 00:41:25,956
Speaker 3: so she would let me take her credit card and

671
00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:29,876
Speaker 3: go to the record store and buy me records because

672
00:41:29,916 --> 00:41:31,476
Speaker 3: she knows that all I did was sit in my

673
00:41:31,556 --> 00:41:35,156
Speaker 3: room and listen to record yeah yeah, And she supported

674
00:41:35,196 --> 00:41:40,076
Speaker 3: that man and so so watching my dad as an

675
00:41:40,196 --> 00:41:43,956
Speaker 3: artist shape me in one way. But my mother's support

676
00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:52,196
Speaker 3: is like priceless, especially their Armenian Armenians, you know. And

677
00:41:52,236 --> 00:41:54,836
Speaker 3: then at some point I started painting my hair fucking

678
00:41:54,916 --> 00:41:57,916
Speaker 3: pink and when nail and all this fucking shit. These

679
00:41:57,916 --> 00:42:01,436
Speaker 3: people are from Iraq, you know, like that.

680
00:42:01,356 --> 00:42:06,036
Speaker 2: Takes guts on your part. Though I was, you know.

681
00:42:06,076 --> 00:42:09,076
Speaker 3: As an Armenian guy. There was and even my friends

682
00:42:09,156 --> 00:42:11,836
Speaker 3: they didn't look like that. They did interest yeah that

683
00:42:11,996 --> 00:42:15,556
Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean I just it felt natural to me.

684
00:42:15,636 --> 00:42:18,596
Speaker 3: It felt right, you know. The music I was listening

685
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:22,516
Speaker 3: to at the time was like, you know, in my

686
00:42:22,676 --> 00:42:26,036
Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen twenty twenty, I was like loving a lot

687
00:42:26,036 --> 00:42:30,156
Speaker 3: of god like alien sex been and you know, when

688
00:42:30,156 --> 00:42:32,076
Speaker 3: you're young, you're kind of looking at people, you know,

689
00:42:32,316 --> 00:42:34,916
Speaker 3: I like that style. I like that. So that style

690
00:42:34,956 --> 00:42:36,916
Speaker 3: and that style and that style kind of together and

691
00:42:36,956 --> 00:42:39,716
Speaker 3: make my own little style. Do the same with the

692
00:42:39,756 --> 00:42:41,836
Speaker 3: songs I write, you know, I take you know, I

693
00:42:41,956 --> 00:42:42,156
Speaker 3: like that.

694
00:42:42,676 --> 00:42:46,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like a pastiche.

695
00:42:46,436 --> 00:42:52,236
Speaker 3: I think the bands that do something unique do that.

696
00:42:52,996 --> 00:42:53,276
Speaker 2: Yeah.

697
00:42:53,556 --> 00:42:58,196
Speaker 3: Oh, even if you listen to like Van Halen, for example,

698
00:42:59,276 --> 00:43:01,956
Speaker 3: you know, you're yeah, it's rock, it's shredding, but like

699
00:43:02,076 --> 00:43:08,796
Speaker 3: David Lee Roth's vocals are not your typical fucking rocky

700
00:43:09,556 --> 00:43:11,596
Speaker 3: you know. He brought in a lot of different kinds

701
00:43:11,636 --> 00:43:13,836
Speaker 3: of things in that style, and.

702
00:43:13,756 --> 00:43:15,716
Speaker 2: That's part of the reason they're so good.

703
00:43:15,996 --> 00:43:18,836
Speaker 3: Yeah. They So you messed this, meshed, that messed it,

704
00:43:18,836 --> 00:43:21,876
Speaker 3: and you make this new thing because everything is inspired

705
00:43:21,916 --> 00:43:22,596
Speaker 3: by something.

706
00:43:22,836 --> 00:43:22,996
Speaker 2: Yea.

707
00:43:23,356 --> 00:43:27,636
Speaker 3: It's the bands that copy that are kind of like, okay,

708
00:43:27,676 --> 00:43:31,596
Speaker 3: I could tell you listen to Tool because sound like Tool,

709
00:43:32,116 --> 00:43:35,476
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah. But the bands that kind of bring

710
00:43:36,516 --> 00:43:41,596
Speaker 3: their influences in worlds together and create this new thing

711
00:43:42,076 --> 00:43:46,596
Speaker 3: and you're like, well that sounds familiar, but that mixed

712
00:43:46,636 --> 00:43:49,116
Speaker 3: with that, I never heard that before, and so you

713
00:43:49,196 --> 00:43:51,196
Speaker 3: make some new thing with that.

714
00:43:51,196 --> 00:43:54,396
Speaker 2: That's exactly what System was. It was so new and

715
00:43:54,476 --> 00:43:55,116
Speaker 2: so different.

716
00:43:56,156 --> 00:43:59,876
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we all are very different people in System,

717
00:43:59,956 --> 00:44:02,996
Speaker 3: and I think that also kind of comes out, yeah,

718
00:44:03,436 --> 00:44:07,396
Speaker 3: in in this in the dynamic, in the band, Like,

719
00:44:08,076 --> 00:44:13,356
Speaker 3: it's the personality and our band are completely not Each

720
00:44:13,436 --> 00:44:15,276
Speaker 3: one of us is nothing like the other.

721
00:44:15,716 --> 00:44:18,956
Speaker 2: That first, I'm glad you guys are able to still

722
00:44:18,996 --> 00:44:21,516
Speaker 2: tour and still do what you're doing. And I know

723
00:44:21,596 --> 00:44:24,556
Speaker 2: fans are so appreciative of it. And you can see

724
00:44:24,556 --> 00:44:28,676
Speaker 2: that in those massive crowds in South America. That was

725
00:44:29,076 --> 00:44:31,476
Speaker 2: what was that experience for you, Like being on stage

726
00:44:31,476 --> 00:44:32,196
Speaker 2: with those crowds.

727
00:44:32,796 --> 00:44:38,236
Speaker 3: The response was going to South America. You're always like, dude,

728
00:44:38,276 --> 00:44:40,916
Speaker 3: those are probably the best fans in the world. I

729
00:44:40,916 --> 00:44:45,956
Speaker 3: mean the way they are so passionate. Yeah, So before

730
00:44:45,996 --> 00:44:49,036
Speaker 3: I went there, I would always tell everyone, like, dude,

731
00:44:49,436 --> 00:44:52,276
Speaker 3: I'm going from this quiet life to like that. And

732
00:44:52,516 --> 00:44:55,036
Speaker 3: and when it comes to like there is like two

733
00:44:55,156 --> 00:44:59,116
Speaker 3: hundred and three hundred people outside the hotel room. Really

734
00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:01,036
Speaker 3: like it was the second you stick your head out

735
00:45:01,036 --> 00:45:06,676
Speaker 3: of the window, it's like, you know, yeah, it's it's.

736
00:45:05,596 --> 00:45:07,356
Speaker 2: That's like the stuff you see from like Madonna and

737
00:45:07,356 --> 00:45:08,476
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson back in the.

738
00:45:08,516 --> 00:45:12,516
Speaker 3: Day, like that. It is it's like that. And uh,

739
00:45:13,156 --> 00:45:17,156
Speaker 3: but this time around, because we'd been there before, Yeah,

740
00:45:17,396 --> 00:45:20,036
Speaker 3: this time around the crowd so they would bring these

741
00:45:20,076 --> 00:45:22,916
Speaker 3: flares and it was a lot of them, so I

742
00:45:22,996 --> 00:45:26,116
Speaker 3: posted that and I posted, oh, check out the Pyro.

743
00:45:26,276 --> 00:45:29,276
Speaker 3: I wrote something like the Pyromaniacs in Peru or something

744
00:45:29,356 --> 00:45:32,556
Speaker 3: like that. But what in every show we did after that,

745
00:45:32,956 --> 00:45:37,036
Speaker 3: it was like the crowds started one upping each other

746
00:45:37,116 --> 00:45:40,076
Speaker 3: with the players and the fires, and then they started

747
00:45:40,076 --> 00:45:45,196
Speaker 3: they started seeing footage of people breathing fire into the thing.

748
00:45:45,516 --> 00:45:47,596
Speaker 3: So then I made it a thing where I was like,

749
00:45:47,956 --> 00:45:51,316
Speaker 3: because we never have Pyro on stage, So I turned

750
00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:53,996
Speaker 3: and said, if you notice that we don't have any

751
00:45:53,996 --> 00:45:57,476
Speaker 3: Pyron stage, but our fans they break the fire, you know.

752
00:46:00,116 --> 00:46:04,076
Speaker 3: And so by the time we got to that last

753
00:46:04,156 --> 00:46:08,116
Speaker 3: show in sal Paulo, it was it was a scene

754
00:46:08,116 --> 00:46:11,036
Speaker 3: that I never see that with my band or I

755
00:46:11,156 --> 00:46:13,436
Speaker 3: never seen that anyone else's band.

756
00:46:13,836 --> 00:46:15,356
Speaker 2: I've never seen a crowd that big.

757
00:46:16,236 --> 00:46:18,556
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen crowds that big. I just never

758
00:46:18,596 --> 00:46:19,796
Speaker 3: seen that much fire.

759
00:46:20,116 --> 00:46:23,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fire and then it's smoky too, so it

760
00:46:24,076 --> 00:46:28,036
Speaker 2: creates this like really spooky ambiance, like it's like you're

761
00:46:28,076 --> 00:46:28,476
Speaker 2: in hell.

762
00:46:29,196 --> 00:46:33,356
Speaker 4: But it's like, yeah, so I don't know, man, I mean,

763
00:46:34,596 --> 00:46:37,876
Speaker 4: you know, we haven't put out an album with the

764
00:46:38,036 --> 00:46:40,196
Speaker 4: System in so many years and for.

765
00:46:41,716 --> 00:46:44,676
Speaker 3: And it feels like it's in when I go outside

766
00:46:44,716 --> 00:46:48,556
Speaker 3: and I meet the fans, I'm not meeting people that

767
00:46:48,636 --> 00:46:51,756
Speaker 3: are my age. I'm meeting people that are eighteen wow

768
00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:59,116
Speaker 3: for thirty around that age where some of these people

769
00:46:59,116 --> 00:47:04,796
Speaker 3: were not even born when our last album came out. Crazy.

770
00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:11,156
Speaker 3: So the fact that the music has still you know,

771
00:47:11,276 --> 00:47:13,836
Speaker 3: it's it's still lived with people, and some people are

772
00:47:14,876 --> 00:47:19,196
Speaker 3: either rediscovering or just or just discovering it, you know,

773
00:47:19,556 --> 00:47:22,436
Speaker 3: I means it means a lot to me. Man. Obviously,

774
00:47:22,476 --> 00:47:25,556
Speaker 3: as someone like I told you before, like dreamt from

775
00:47:25,596 --> 00:47:28,956
Speaker 3: a really age to that you know, was this is

776
00:47:29,076 --> 00:47:31,316
Speaker 3: my life, this is what I'm going to do, and

777
00:47:31,316 --> 00:47:35,436
Speaker 3: and it's still happening. And I'm this many years in

778
00:47:35,716 --> 00:47:40,076
Speaker 3: and I have you know, I got two bands that

779
00:47:41,516 --> 00:47:45,276
Speaker 3: seem like you know, when when we get I get

780
00:47:45,316 --> 00:47:47,756
Speaker 3: I get a response, and we get a response with

781
00:47:47,836 --> 00:47:51,476
Speaker 3: these bands, and uh, it's still something that you know,

782
00:47:51,636 --> 00:47:53,796
Speaker 3: sometimes people who do it as long as I've been

783
00:47:53,836 --> 00:47:57,196
Speaker 3: doing it kind of be like, oh, yeah, that is

784
00:47:57,236 --> 00:47:59,476
Speaker 3: what it is. But it's not like that for me, man.

785
00:47:59,756 --> 00:48:04,276
Speaker 3: For me, I'm like, I still can't believe this is happening. Cool.

786
00:48:05,596 --> 00:48:07,796
Speaker 2: So when you do run into people and you have

787
00:48:08,276 --> 00:48:10,796
Speaker 2: more time to talk to them beyond like, hey, can

788
00:48:10,836 --> 00:48:15,076
Speaker 2: I get a picture? What are people asking you about System?

789
00:48:15,116 --> 00:48:16,876
Speaker 2: Like what's the most common thing people ask?

790
00:48:17,596 --> 00:48:19,516
Speaker 3: Well, when I meet them face to face like that,

791
00:48:19,596 --> 00:48:23,316
Speaker 3: they don't really ask me anything. There I mean South America,

792
00:48:23,356 --> 00:48:26,916
Speaker 3: they were shaking and crying wow. And so I'm like,

793
00:48:27,596 --> 00:48:29,676
Speaker 3: I always have to be kind of like, you know,

794
00:48:30,076 --> 00:48:34,436
Speaker 3: I try to ask like what's your name? Personal, make

795
00:48:34,476 --> 00:48:38,756
Speaker 3: them realize that I'm a human being. Likes I'm like,

796
00:48:38,876 --> 00:48:42,236
Speaker 3: this feels like I'm some cartoon character you know that

797
00:48:42,396 --> 00:48:45,276
Speaker 3: came in front of their eyes, just you know, try

798
00:48:45,316 --> 00:48:48,156
Speaker 3: to put them at ease, show them I appreciate them.

799
00:48:49,156 --> 00:48:52,396
Speaker 3: But obviously the question that comes the most when it

800
00:48:52,476 --> 00:48:56,756
Speaker 3: comes to System is like, well, you guys going to

801
00:48:56,796 --> 00:48:59,756
Speaker 3: make another album and you know all that stuff, And

802
00:49:00,036 --> 00:49:05,716
Speaker 3: for now, I'm happy we got those albums. Like I said,

803
00:49:05,756 --> 00:49:09,836
Speaker 3: people have just discovered it. People rediscovered it, or people

804
00:49:09,916 --> 00:49:11,996
Speaker 3: have lived with it and it's become the fabric of

805
00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:17,956
Speaker 3: some of their lives and that's cool, man. And so

806
00:49:18,076 --> 00:49:22,396
Speaker 3: I don't really entertain the whole Like if you've talked

807
00:49:22,396 --> 00:49:24,316
Speaker 3: to me maybe like ten years ago, I might have

808
00:49:24,676 --> 00:49:27,156
Speaker 3: like a little bit more like, oh, I wish wish

809
00:49:27,196 --> 00:49:30,356
Speaker 3: it maybe, Yeah, how much time has passed. I'm kind

810
00:49:30,356 --> 00:49:34,676
Speaker 3: of like, I don't know. I mean, if it happens,

811
00:49:34,716 --> 00:49:38,676
Speaker 3: it happens. I'm not really pushing for it so much. Yeah.

812
00:49:38,876 --> 00:49:44,036
Speaker 3: The thing is, we really get along as as friends,

813
00:49:44,596 --> 00:49:50,276
Speaker 3: and we always have as friends. But then when banned

814
00:49:50,356 --> 00:49:55,716
Speaker 3: politics comes into the thing, that's when the resentments come

815
00:49:55,756 --> 00:49:58,916
Speaker 3: in and all this shit comes in, and we're kind

816
00:49:58,916 --> 00:50:03,116
Speaker 3: of like hanging out again as a band, which we

817
00:50:03,196 --> 00:50:06,356
Speaker 3: hadn't done. You know, Sarah and I hadn't really hung

818
00:50:06,396 --> 00:50:11,356
Speaker 3: out that much in the last quite some time. But

819
00:50:11,756 --> 00:50:14,756
Speaker 3: the se and I text each other and I see

820
00:50:14,796 --> 00:50:19,076
Speaker 3: each other serge and I feel friendly and friends and

821
00:50:19,756 --> 00:50:22,476
Speaker 3: have kind of reconnected that And I don't know, I

822
00:50:22,476 --> 00:50:25,596
Speaker 3: don't want something. I'm enjoying that.

823
00:50:25,996 --> 00:50:27,876
Speaker 2: So that must feel so good.

824
00:50:28,116 --> 00:50:30,996
Speaker 3: It does because I never hated any one of my

825
00:50:31,116 --> 00:50:34,796
Speaker 3: band members. You know, we each had certain issues with

826
00:50:34,876 --> 00:50:38,436
Speaker 3: each other within the band, but take the fan out

827
00:50:38,436 --> 00:50:41,516
Speaker 3: of the situation, I think we all really like each

828
00:50:41,516 --> 00:50:44,796
Speaker 3: other as people and as friends. Yeah, that's why it's

829
00:50:44,796 --> 00:50:48,596
Speaker 3: like it call some bands stay together and make records together,

830
00:50:48,676 --> 00:50:51,596
Speaker 3: but they can't stand each other through all the years.

831
00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:55,836
Speaker 3: We don't have that like, we've never been the guys

832
00:50:55,876 --> 00:50:57,316
Speaker 3: that were like, well, I can't be in the same

833
00:50:57,396 --> 00:51:00,276
Speaker 3: room with that guy. Yeah, it's never been that way

834
00:51:00,316 --> 00:51:03,636
Speaker 3: with System, And I think fans need to hear that,

835
00:51:03,716 --> 00:51:08,436
Speaker 3: because fans think that Sarage and I hate each other

836
00:51:09,276 --> 00:51:12,316
Speaker 3: and they pick sides. They're like, I'm on team Sarage

837
00:51:12,356 --> 00:51:15,156
Speaker 3: and I'm on team Darren, and it's like, you guys

838
00:51:15,196 --> 00:51:20,076
Speaker 3: don't realize that we love each other, Like we we

839
00:51:20,116 --> 00:51:22,556
Speaker 3: don't hate each other. You guys don't need to get

840
00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:25,156
Speaker 3: on teams. You guys like us both.

841
00:51:25,796 --> 00:51:29,716
Speaker 2: Yeah, they love conflict and it.

842
00:51:29,596 --> 00:51:33,156
Speaker 3: Becomes the That's the sad thing for me is because

843
00:51:33,756 --> 00:51:38,516
Speaker 3: it becomes clickbait and it becomes all this crap and

844
00:51:38,556 --> 00:51:42,596
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's not really showing an accurate picture of

845
00:51:43,676 --> 00:51:46,596
Speaker 3: what we're really like and how we really feel about

846
00:51:46,596 --> 00:51:47,036
Speaker 3: each other.

847
00:51:47,236 --> 00:51:49,676
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm happy to hear that. I'm happy there's

848
00:51:49,796 --> 00:51:53,956
Speaker 2: love there and that you're reconnecting. And I don't know

849
00:51:54,076 --> 00:51:56,276
Speaker 2: that sounds like a step in the right direction. Maybe

850
00:51:56,276 --> 00:51:59,036
Speaker 2: something will happen. If it doesn't, it doesn't, I mean,

851
00:51:59,076 --> 00:52:02,556
Speaker 2: you have your you haven't a whole nother outlet, and

852
00:52:03,076 --> 00:52:04,076
Speaker 2: you know you've made do.

853
00:52:05,516 --> 00:52:08,996
Speaker 3: Yeah. And another thing is when there's so much of

854
00:52:09,276 --> 00:52:14,076
Speaker 3: a gap between that last record and then something if

855
00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:17,876
Speaker 3: we it just for me, I like to see evolution,

856
00:52:18,196 --> 00:52:24,476
Speaker 3: and when we stopped, Scars became my new evolution with

857
00:52:24,676 --> 00:52:29,076
Speaker 3: my writing, and those albums will be those albums, and

858
00:52:29,116 --> 00:52:32,916
Speaker 3: they've lived with people for such a long time that

859
00:52:34,156 --> 00:52:36,356
Speaker 3: anything we do it feels like it might even be

860
00:52:36,636 --> 00:52:39,836
Speaker 3: criticized and be like, well it's not as good. Well,

861
00:52:40,436 --> 00:52:41,516
Speaker 3: different times.

862
00:52:41,196 --> 00:52:43,396
Speaker 2: It's going to be compared, for sure, Like.

863
00:52:43,716 --> 00:52:49,236
Speaker 3: There's something nostalgic about the old stuff, and you can't

864
00:52:49,236 --> 00:52:50,996
Speaker 3: fuck with nostalgia at the time.

865
00:52:51,756 --> 00:52:54,476
Speaker 2: No, I know, it means so much to so many people.

866
00:52:55,316 --> 00:52:58,876
Speaker 3: Years have gone by and years of people living with that,

867
00:52:58,996 --> 00:53:04,996
Speaker 3: and so you can't just make up years that that's

868
00:53:05,036 --> 00:53:09,436
Speaker 3: something that is just organic and the natural way that

869
00:53:09,556 --> 00:53:10,676
Speaker 3: things moved, you know.

870
00:53:11,316 --> 00:53:13,756
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys have always been so authentic, Like

871
00:53:13,916 --> 00:53:16,276
Speaker 2: whatever comes out will be authentic.

872
00:53:16,636 --> 00:53:20,156
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it would suck. Yeah, really fucking good,

873
00:53:20,356 --> 00:53:23,316
Speaker 3: it might be. I have so many songs that if

874
00:53:23,556 --> 00:53:26,996
Speaker 3: the band wants to do that, yeah, I have music

875
00:53:27,036 --> 00:53:30,396
Speaker 3: that I already know would be on that that's not

876
00:53:30,516 --> 00:53:32,716
Speaker 3: going to happen. I will take that music and put

877
00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:37,796
Speaker 3: it onto a Scars record, and the two songs that

878
00:53:37,876 --> 00:53:42,436
Speaker 3: we did a few years ago, protect the Land, well,

879
00:53:42,436 --> 00:53:44,916
Speaker 3: Protect the Land was supposed to be on Addicted to

880
00:53:44,956 --> 00:53:50,716
Speaker 3: the Violence, but because there was the war in arts off, yeah,

881
00:53:50,756 --> 00:53:52,836
Speaker 3: and we wanted to say something because we had a

882
00:53:52,876 --> 00:53:55,716
Speaker 3: platform and nobody was talking about it. So we all

883
00:53:55,756 --> 00:53:57,716
Speaker 3: out on the phone and we're like, well, maybe we

884
00:53:57,716 --> 00:54:00,236
Speaker 3: should release two songs. And I was like, I have

885
00:54:00,276 --> 00:54:04,316
Speaker 3: a song that's about that, like and I didn't even

886
00:54:04,596 --> 00:54:07,196
Speaker 3: and I wrote that song before the conflict happened. It's

887
00:54:07,236 --> 00:54:13,596
Speaker 3: just weird. Yeah, that is weird and so uh out.

888
00:54:13,796 --> 00:54:16,196
Speaker 3: And so I was kind of like willing, like, okay,

889
00:54:16,196 --> 00:54:19,716
Speaker 3: I'll take that song off the Scars record, And well,

890
00:54:19,836 --> 00:54:23,276
Speaker 3: we had it recorded. I had all my vocals on

891
00:54:23,436 --> 00:54:28,356
Speaker 3: that song are from my Scars recording. We just had

892
00:54:28,516 --> 00:54:31,676
Speaker 3: John play the drums and Shallo play the bass and

893
00:54:31,756 --> 00:54:35,396
Speaker 3: Sarah's kind of sang with me. But my vocals from

894
00:54:35,436 --> 00:54:39,716
Speaker 3: that track are all from my Scars session. So the

895
00:54:39,836 --> 00:54:44,476
Speaker 3: song was pretty pretty much the same, yeah, except we

896
00:54:44,676 --> 00:54:50,276
Speaker 3: brought in different people to perform it. Yeah, you know,

897
00:54:50,436 --> 00:54:52,396
Speaker 3: I'm proud of that. It's cool that we did that.

898
00:54:52,596 --> 00:54:55,436
Speaker 3: But if I didn't take that to System. It would

899
00:54:55,436 --> 00:54:58,836
Speaker 3: have been a SCAR song. If Mesmerized and Hypnotize never

900
00:54:58,996 --> 00:55:04,276
Speaker 3: became System Records Lost in Hollywood Lonely Day maybe, I

901
00:55:04,356 --> 00:55:06,956
Speaker 3: mean by all of that shit would have been Scar stuff.

902
00:55:07,836 --> 00:55:10,676
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, speaking of of those albums,

903
00:55:10,716 --> 00:55:15,596
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Soldier Side Yep. Was

904
00:55:15,596 --> 00:55:17,956
Speaker 2: there a read that's such a beautiful song? Was there

905
00:55:17,956 --> 00:55:20,996
Speaker 2: a reason you put that just thinking about the track list?

906
00:55:20,996 --> 00:55:22,876
Speaker 2: Was there a reason you put that as the last song?

907
00:55:24,356 --> 00:55:27,156
Speaker 3: Well, the intro of Soldier Side comes in in the

908
00:55:27,196 --> 00:55:31,156
Speaker 3: beginning of Mesmeriz and then the rest of the song

909
00:55:31,356 --> 00:55:34,956
Speaker 3: is the last song. We didn't know that it was

910
00:55:35,036 --> 00:55:37,236
Speaker 3: gonna be a double album when we were in there

911
00:55:38,436 --> 00:55:41,436
Speaker 3: recording the songs. Neither, and I didn't know that when

912
00:55:41,476 --> 00:55:43,876
Speaker 3: I was writing the songs. The thing with me is

913
00:55:43,996 --> 00:55:50,596
Speaker 3: I always brought in a lot of songs. Yeah, Toxicity

914
00:55:51,836 --> 00:55:54,356
Speaker 3: had Toxicity, but then we had steal this album. But

915
00:55:54,396 --> 00:55:57,356
Speaker 3: all the steal this album stuff was from Toxicity sessions.

916
00:55:57,596 --> 00:55:59,596
Speaker 3: And that's just because I would just bring in so

917
00:55:59,756 --> 00:56:04,276
Speaker 3: many songs, because for me, I was like just writing

918
00:56:04,396 --> 00:56:10,836
Speaker 3: like crazy focused and here guys, and and uh, let's

919
00:56:10,876 --> 00:56:15,596
Speaker 3: pick the best ones. You know. Yeah, And so same

920
00:56:15,636 --> 00:56:19,356
Speaker 3: with Mesmerise Hypnotize. I came into like thirty songs or more.

921
00:56:20,116 --> 00:56:22,236
Speaker 3: We still have stuff that we hadn't even haven't even

922
00:56:22,276 --> 00:56:25,676
Speaker 3: released off Mesmeriz and Hypnotized, and nobody's heard that. We

923
00:56:25,756 --> 00:56:27,676
Speaker 3: listen back to and were like, shit, we forgot we

924
00:56:27,716 --> 00:56:33,516
Speaker 3: had this. Uh, well there you go.

925
00:56:33,636 --> 00:56:36,236
Speaker 2: You got a little at least an EP. Maybe put

926
00:56:36,236 --> 00:56:37,716
Speaker 2: that out.

927
00:56:38,596 --> 00:56:43,676
Speaker 3: That's peak System, We'll see it's some of it. I

928
00:56:43,836 --> 00:56:48,396
Speaker 3: felt like just wasn't good enough to be on the record,

929
00:56:48,676 --> 00:56:51,636
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, you know. What we did with Steal

930
00:56:51,676 --> 00:56:56,676
Speaker 3: this album was those songs we felt like weren't as

931
00:56:56,756 --> 00:57:01,276
Speaker 3: good as maybe the ones on Toxicity, but then somebody

932
00:57:01,396 --> 00:57:04,316
Speaker 3: leaked them and they were leaked in a way that

933
00:57:04,356 --> 00:57:06,076
Speaker 3: we're like, well, we didn't want them that So what

934
00:57:06,116 --> 00:57:08,836
Speaker 3: we did was go back in the studio and make

935
00:57:08,916 --> 00:57:12,276
Speaker 3: them as good as what should have been on Toxicity.

936
00:57:12,316 --> 00:57:15,516
Speaker 3: So we rearranged. We did that, so if we ever

937
00:57:15,636 --> 00:57:18,716
Speaker 3: did that with the Mesmerize, and that's something we would

938
00:57:18,716 --> 00:57:21,316
Speaker 3: have to do with those songs as well, because there's

939
00:57:21,356 --> 00:57:24,836
Speaker 3: something I don't know. I look at him and I'm like, ah,

940
00:57:24,876 --> 00:57:27,116
Speaker 3: this could be better. That could be better. So they

941
00:57:27,196 --> 00:57:31,236
Speaker 3: need to be redone that's ever gonna happen. But going

942
00:57:31,316 --> 00:57:35,636
Speaker 3: back to the Soldier Side thing, so we had the

943
00:57:36,156 --> 00:57:40,316
Speaker 3: thought of it making a double album came up along

944
00:57:40,356 --> 00:57:45,076
Speaker 3: the way, and so in my head, I was like,

945
00:57:46,676 --> 00:57:52,996
Speaker 3: why don't we use the intro portion of Soldier Side

946
00:57:53,036 --> 00:57:56,876
Speaker 3: as the intro for Mesmerized and then end the album

947
00:57:56,916 --> 00:58:01,916
Speaker 3: with the song and it yeah, yeah, yeah, So if

948
00:58:01,996 --> 00:58:06,356
Speaker 3: you've heard both records and then you hypnotize and that

949
00:58:06,476 --> 00:58:09,396
Speaker 3: comes back at the end the way it starts already

950
00:58:09,436 --> 00:58:14,276
Speaker 3: in the beginning, it just book ended both of the

951
00:58:14,356 --> 00:58:17,876
Speaker 3: records and a kind of creative in a very If

952
00:58:17,956 --> 00:58:20,836
Speaker 3: I was a listener, I would be like, wow, that

953
00:58:22,316 --> 00:58:25,236
Speaker 3: just came back from that, like you know, And and

954
00:58:25,276 --> 00:58:29,516
Speaker 3: the records were also not released together. There was months

955
00:58:29,596 --> 00:58:32,876
Speaker 3: or I don't remember how Yeah, they were apart. So

956
00:58:34,076 --> 00:58:37,436
Speaker 3: I just thought it was just this cool emotional thing

957
00:58:37,516 --> 00:58:41,596
Speaker 3: that would happen to the listener. Yes, if they if

958
00:58:41,636 --> 00:58:44,276
Speaker 3: it all comes back at the way end of the

959
00:58:44,316 --> 00:58:45,396
Speaker 3: second one. You know.

960
00:58:45,516 --> 00:58:48,436
Speaker 2: I love when artists are thoughtful like that, you know,

961
00:58:48,516 --> 00:58:51,956
Speaker 2: because there are a lot of listeners who appreciate that, well.

962
00:58:51,956 --> 00:58:54,676
Speaker 3: You're creating a painting at the end of the day,

963
00:58:54,716 --> 00:58:57,836
Speaker 3: and once again going back to my dad, and now

964
00:58:58,356 --> 00:59:02,236
Speaker 3: I see records and how I see albums. You're creating

965
00:59:02,276 --> 00:59:07,236
Speaker 3: this work. It's not just okay, individual songs, but it's this.

966
00:59:08,156 --> 00:59:11,036
Speaker 3: It's an album. And I know people nowadays don't have

967
00:59:11,076 --> 00:59:14,316
Speaker 3: attention spans on, but I still make albums like I

968
00:59:14,436 --> 00:59:18,196
Speaker 3: want the album to flow song into song into song,

969
00:59:18,276 --> 00:59:20,636
Speaker 3: and there's a reason why I ended it that way.

970
00:59:20,716 --> 00:59:23,916
Speaker 3: Like Addicted to the Violence is the last song, the

971
00:59:23,996 --> 00:59:26,996
Speaker 3: final track, but it's the last song on the record,

972
00:59:27,396 --> 00:59:29,996
Speaker 3: and it's this really kind of for me. The song

973
00:59:30,196 --> 00:59:35,076
Speaker 3: has this epic the keyboards and the mood, but the

974
00:59:35,156 --> 00:59:40,796
Speaker 3: way the song ends and it just goes bone and

975
00:59:40,836 --> 00:59:42,596
Speaker 3: it reminds me of like the day in the Life

976
00:59:42,636 --> 00:59:45,516
Speaker 3: of the Beatles, where it just kind of ends and

977
00:59:45,876 --> 00:59:50,556
Speaker 3: it feels like an ending, like duh yeah, And I

978
00:59:50,596 --> 00:59:54,476
Speaker 3: wanted the album to end with that vibe it felt.

979
00:59:55,596 --> 00:59:57,796
Speaker 3: I don't know that that's just the picture I wanted

980
00:59:57,796 --> 00:59:58,516
Speaker 3: to paint, you know.

981
00:59:58,716 --> 01:00:02,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's cool. Who We've been thinking about this

982
01:00:02,476 --> 01:00:05,436
Speaker 2: just at Broken Record, talking to other people I work with,

983
01:00:05,876 --> 01:00:08,476
Speaker 2: And this is a random question, but curious where you'll

984
01:00:08,476 --> 01:00:13,156
Speaker 2: go with it. Who do you think are the best

985
01:00:13,556 --> 01:00:17,356
Speaker 2: Like the five best American bands.

986
01:00:17,516 --> 01:00:25,076
Speaker 3: Jesus van Halen. For me, I I love van Halen

987
01:00:25,876 --> 01:00:29,236
Speaker 3: and it ain't because like, it ain't because my favorite

988
01:00:29,236 --> 01:00:31,796
Speaker 3: part of van Halen is Alex and Dave to me,

989
01:00:32,356 --> 01:00:35,636
Speaker 3: and that's weird coming from a guitar player. Yeah, I

990
01:00:35,676 --> 01:00:38,756
Speaker 3: love Alex van Halen like I'm a huge fan of

991
01:00:38,796 --> 01:00:42,796
Speaker 3: his drumming, uh and David Lee Roth as a vocalist.

992
01:00:42,916 --> 01:00:46,916
Speaker 3: And it's just to me, it's such a complete It's

993
01:00:46,956 --> 01:00:50,796
Speaker 3: what like a great rock band should be. Is that

994
01:00:51,116 --> 01:00:53,876
Speaker 3: energy of the first all the David Lee Roth stuff,

995
01:00:53,916 --> 01:00:59,276
Speaker 3: you know, pick but then you know Grateful Dead. I

996
01:00:59,316 --> 01:01:03,956
Speaker 3: love the Grateful Dead. Uh shit. And even people ask

997
01:01:04,036 --> 01:01:06,956
Speaker 3: me questions like this, I always walk away and I'm like, shit,

998
01:01:07,036 --> 01:01:08,276
Speaker 3: I should have mentioned that guy.

999
01:01:08,356 --> 01:01:09,956
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. It's it's hard to be put on

1000
01:01:09,996 --> 01:01:13,676
Speaker 2: the spot. But it's also kind of like, yeah, it's

1001
01:01:13,716 --> 01:01:15,676
Speaker 2: an interesting thing because a lot of you go to

1002
01:01:15,756 --> 01:01:18,836
Speaker 2: like British bands usually, but American is a whole different thing.

1003
01:01:20,236 --> 01:01:25,356
Speaker 3: Yeah. Fuck man, I didn't expect the questions.

1004
01:01:24,876 --> 01:01:27,516
Speaker 2: So I no, no. And then you could think, like,

1005
01:01:27,756 --> 01:01:30,156
Speaker 2: you know, do the Beach Boys count?

1006
01:01:30,476 --> 01:01:34,276
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, thank you, I don't know do they they do? Yes?

1007
01:01:34,316 --> 01:01:34,716
Speaker 3: They do.

1008
01:01:34,796 --> 01:01:39,076
Speaker 2: Okay, so the Beach Boys, and then what about newer bands?

1009
01:01:40,316 --> 01:01:43,956
Speaker 2: Does Nirvana? Is Nirvana one of the best guns and roses?

1010
01:01:45,396 --> 01:01:47,476
Speaker 2: You know, there's so many places you can go with it,

1011
01:01:47,756 --> 01:01:51,596
Speaker 2: Sly in the family Stone, Yeah, Earth Wind and Fire

1012
01:01:51,756 --> 01:01:52,516
Speaker 2: do they count?

1013
01:01:54,036 --> 01:01:57,596
Speaker 3: Yeah? All count? Yeah? I mentioned there is good stuff.

1014
01:01:57,676 --> 01:02:01,156
Speaker 3: It's great. But you know, everyone has their taste on

1015
01:02:01,396 --> 01:02:03,676
Speaker 3: you know, who they think is the best. Like, you know,

1016
01:02:03,756 --> 01:02:07,916
Speaker 3: Nirvana was a great band, but yeah, impact me as

1017
01:02:07,996 --> 01:02:10,996
Speaker 3: much as you know some other people. Man, you know,

1018
01:02:11,156 --> 01:02:14,116
Speaker 3: I don't know. Did you love great you know?

1019
01:02:14,236 --> 01:02:16,716
Speaker 2: But yeah, do you go to dead shows? Did you

1020
01:02:16,796 --> 01:02:18,116
Speaker 2: used to go to dead shows?

1021
01:02:18,596 --> 01:02:21,036
Speaker 3: Not a lot. I wasn't like following them, but I would.

1022
01:02:21,116 --> 01:02:25,036
Speaker 3: I saw them at the La Sports Arena when Jerry

1023
01:02:25,076 --> 01:02:28,836
Speaker 3: Garcia was still alive and I was on mushrooms, so

1024
01:02:28,916 --> 01:02:29,716
Speaker 3: it was really good.

1025
01:02:31,316 --> 01:02:33,916
Speaker 2: They're so good. They're just like a good band to

1026
01:02:33,916 --> 01:02:36,916
Speaker 2: have just playing in the house like throughout the day.

1027
01:02:37,436 --> 01:02:41,196
Speaker 3: American Beauty is one of the just one of my

1028
01:02:41,276 --> 01:02:46,596
Speaker 3: favorite albums, man. Yeah, from up to Bottom is I

1029
01:02:46,636 --> 01:02:49,236
Speaker 3: know they're known as a jam band, but yeah, these

1030
01:02:49,476 --> 01:02:54,636
Speaker 3: songs on those records ripple yeah, Oxa.

1031
01:02:54,356 --> 01:02:57,956
Speaker 2: Ray Yeah, Oh I love that you love that. That's

1032
01:02:57,956 --> 01:02:59,636
Speaker 2: so nice. I wouldn't have expected that.

1033
01:03:00,596 --> 01:03:04,476
Speaker 3: Great, great songs, some of my favorite songs. But you

1034
01:03:04,516 --> 01:03:08,836
Speaker 3: said the Beach Boys, you know, early Beach Boys. I

1035
01:03:08,876 --> 01:03:12,596
Speaker 3: love of the twenty twenty album is such a good

1036
01:03:12,636 --> 01:03:18,076
Speaker 3: fucking album. I love it. I know Pet Sounds is

1037
01:03:18,196 --> 01:03:21,476
Speaker 3: the one that everyone talks about, But there's more to

1038
01:03:21,516 --> 01:03:26,356
Speaker 3: the Beach Boys than just Pet Sounds. Man. Yeah, local harmonies, Uh,

1039
01:03:27,436 --> 01:03:30,876
Speaker 3: I don't know. Great bands. I don't know the Everly

1040
01:03:30,996 --> 01:03:34,876
Speaker 3: Brothers considered as a band, I don't know. They inspired

1041
01:03:35,276 --> 01:03:40,356
Speaker 3: so many people like those, you know, Aside from bands,

1042
01:03:40,396 --> 01:03:44,196
Speaker 3: you have just a lot of individuals in American rock

1043
01:03:44,356 --> 01:03:48,236
Speaker 3: that you know. Obviously Elvis, Neil Neil Young.

1044
01:03:48,276 --> 01:03:49,476
Speaker 2: He's Canadian though.

1045
01:03:49,716 --> 01:03:51,916
Speaker 3: Oh okay, But when people ask me about some of

1046
01:03:51,956 --> 01:03:55,716
Speaker 3: my favorite guitar players, I always bring up Neil Young. Yeah,

1047
01:03:56,196 --> 01:03:59,396
Speaker 3: he's not a shredder, you know, he does his thing,

1048
01:03:59,556 --> 01:04:02,956
Speaker 3: but I love that thing. Oh, let's not forget the

1049
01:04:03,076 --> 01:04:04,156
Speaker 3: Ramones should be.

1050
01:04:04,196 --> 01:04:06,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ramones are so awesome.

1051
01:04:06,716 --> 01:04:08,956
Speaker 3: Ramos definitely should be mentioned in.

1052
01:04:08,876 --> 01:04:11,116
Speaker 2: That They're so awesome. I love them.

1053
01:04:11,236 --> 01:04:15,636
Speaker 3: A lot of great punk bands, the Dead Boys, the Misfits,

1054
01:04:15,756 --> 01:04:20,116
Speaker 3: all American bands, Bad Brains, Yeah.

1055
01:04:20,356 --> 01:04:23,196
Speaker 2: Were you into like hardcore like New York City hardcore

1056
01:04:23,396 --> 01:04:25,396
Speaker 2: or the bands coming out of DC. Were you into

1057
01:04:25,436 --> 01:04:29,676
Speaker 2: that too, sure? Like Minor Threat, Yeah, like Fugazi and

1058
01:04:29,716 --> 01:04:35,036
Speaker 2: all that. Oh cool? Was there anything else you wanted

1059
01:04:35,076 --> 01:04:38,276
Speaker 2: to say or talk about with a new album that

1060
01:04:38,316 --> 01:04:38,916
Speaker 2: we didn't cover?

1061
01:04:40,276 --> 01:04:46,676
Speaker 3: You know, it's just I don't put out albums a lot,

1062
01:04:46,836 --> 01:04:50,676
Speaker 3: but when I do, it's something I really believe in. Like,

1063
01:04:50,796 --> 01:04:55,556
Speaker 3: for example, if ten years down the line people ask me, well,

1064
01:04:55,556 --> 01:04:57,756
Speaker 3: what are some of the most proudest moments you had

1065
01:04:57,756 --> 01:05:01,756
Speaker 3: as a songwriter, the song Addicted to the Violence will

1066
01:05:01,796 --> 01:05:06,196
Speaker 3: come up, just like Aerials or just like anything I've

1067
01:05:06,196 --> 01:05:09,036
Speaker 3: done with System, just like Babylon is one of the

1068
01:05:09,196 --> 01:05:15,236
Speaker 3: those songs. There's a song called Till the End on

1069
01:05:15,316 --> 01:05:19,676
Speaker 3: the second Scars record. These songs that I've had, these

1070
01:05:19,796 --> 01:05:24,556
Speaker 3: moments where I'm very kind of you know, you have

1071
01:05:24,596 --> 01:05:27,516
Speaker 3: a lot of children, but some of your children kind

1072
01:05:27,516 --> 01:05:31,276
Speaker 3: of you have this pride. I don't have any children,

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01:05:31,276 --> 01:05:35,916
Speaker 3: but I'm saying what I'm saying. People who have a

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Speaker 3: lot of children, you know, you have some that you

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Speaker 3: might be a little bit more proud of than So

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Speaker 3: there's stuff on this record like Shame game or addicted

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Speaker 3: to the violence, or it's just if you ask me

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Speaker 3: ten years from now, I guarantee I will tell you

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Speaker 3: that those songs will fall into the group of songs

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Speaker 3: that I'm very very proud of in my history or

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Speaker 3: in my you know, discography, or.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, it's awesome you can still do it, and

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Speaker 2: that you still have this band and that you have

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Speaker 2: you have so much pride in the new music that

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Speaker 2: you're making.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it out if I didn't have that.

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Speaker 3: I second guess myself constantly, and I'm very picky about

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Speaker 3: what I put out there. Dude. I have a roll

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Speaker 3: index of songs. I have albums worth of songs that

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Speaker 3: I'm still tinkering with. Yeah, playing with people are like, well,

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Speaker 3: it takes forever for you to take put out albums,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, when I put out an album,

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Speaker 3: that album is forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's real.

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Speaker 3: So I will take forever to make sure that that

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Speaker 3: song is finished. Or you know, if you're cooking food

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Speaker 3: is ready to eat, Yeah, you know, it's it's not

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Speaker 3: half baked, it's ready to god, it's ready to be absorbed.

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Speaker 3: Taking it and and I make that decision. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: see it, and I see well, it's finished and it's

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Speaker 3: ready to record, and if it takes me forever to

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Speaker 3: do it, I will take forever to do it. To

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Speaker 3: put out something that's going to be forever out there.

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Speaker 2: Makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate you talking.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah good.

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